Debates of March 24th, 1994

This is page numbers 821 - 852 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Inaccurate Statistics On Alcohol Abuse In The Nwt

Water And Sewer Subsidy Program

Privatization Of Government Services

Legislative Assembly And Media's Annual Hockey Game

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Consultation Re Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Reason For Increasing Water And Sewer Rates

Reason For Carvers Owing Money To Revenue Canada

Maca Minister's Knowledge Of Government's Commitment To Consult

Reason For Lack Of Consultation Re Rate Increases

Status Of Residential Rate Increases

Criteria For Applying For Social Assistance

Impact Of Rate Increase On Commercially Owned Residential Units

Basis Of Rate Increase

Consultation With Business Community Re Rate Increase

GNWT Regulatory Authority To Control Prices Of Consumer Products

Extension Of Runway For Gjoa Haven

Double Standard For Allocation Of Staff Housing

Access Road In Chesterfield Inlet

Financial Assistance For Gifted Children

Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Appointments To The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Bill 18: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1993-94

Item 17: Second Reading Of Bills

Bill 18: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1993-94

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Report Of The Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation 24

To Adopt Recommendation 25

Bill 9:

An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles Act

Bill 11:

An Act To Amend The Safety Act

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Success Of Junior Mens' Curling Team

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Gargan , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Inaccurate Statistics On Alcohol Abuse In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. On Tuesday, I said I was alarmed to read a description of Yellowknife that appeared in a Cape Town, South Africa newspaper called Cape Argus, in February of this year. I said that what disturbed me the most was that the factual information that appeared in the

article was supplied by the Government of the Northwest Territories, and that if public servants are going to provide information to anybody, they had better get their facts straight.

Madam Speaker, it's important to the morale of our public service that the record of this House presents a factual account of where the information came from with respect to this newspaper article. I'm told, Madam Speaker, that the information contained was not supplied by this government. It was provided by the executive director of Northern Addiction Services, and there has been no indication of where the executive director obtained the information that 80 per cent of northerners are addicted to alcohol and drugs.

I made the wrong assumption, Madam Speaker, that Northern Addiction Services uses the same statistics as the Government of the Northwest Territories. However, I will be interested in hearing from the government what the true picture of addiction in the Northwest Territories really is, in response to a question I asked the Minister this week. Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Water And Sewer Subsidy Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I would like to speak to the water and sewer subsidy program operated by the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. This program, Madam Speaker, pays for some of the high costs of providing clean water, and appropriate sewage service in northern communities by subsidizing the rates paid by northerners. It costs a lot of money to provide clean water and proper sewage services in northern communities, money that can be hard to come by. This program is of great benefit to northern business as it enables the growth of the small business sector in the north, growth that might otherwise be stifled by high utility costs.

Madam Speaker, the subsidy program is also a boon to home ownership in the Northwest Territories. Mortgage payments and heating costs are already much higher in the north than in most of the country. The water and sewer subsidy program makes it a little easier for northerners to afford to buy their own homes. In fact, Madam Speaker, this is a very important program; so important that it is often the subject of rumours, rumours that the subsidy might be reduced and that northern home owners and business people might have to pay much more for their water and sewage services.

Because the water and sewer subsidy program is so important, the Members of this House trust that the government will always consult fully with House and with the municipalities of the Northwest Territories before considering any changes to the subsidy. Thank you.

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Water And Sewer Subsidy Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Privatization Of Government Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Past governments and this government have planned and partially initiated privatization of the government services which were identified in order to streamline government functions by reducing operating costs and, of course, creating opportunities for business and individuals wishing to establish business. Examples I'm aware of in the Kitikmeot, over the years, are for vehicle maintenance, oil burner and plumbing, heating- related maintenance, some carpentry, painting and electrical-related services on a limited basis and the warehousing and supply of materials and goods.

I'm also aware that the government has privatized the retail liquor outlets, the motor vehicle licensing, printing services and some POL delivery contracts.

Madam Speaker, I fully support the privatization of government services, as long as it creates business opportunities for individuals and supports existing businesses and reduces costs to the government. While these full or partial privatization initiatives have been ongoing over the years, I believe it's time to review all current contracts with the intent of expanding the contracts which have been successful in providing these partial services to the government.

Our government must refocus their attention on privatization of government functions to reduce costs and to provide these business and employment opportunities for individuals in our communities. Mahsi cho.

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Privatization Of Government Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Legislative Assembly And Media's Annual Hockey Game

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Last night the MLA Sharks held their final hockey practice in preparation for tomorrow's big game. The team is ready to go and they look very hungry. In fact, "Jungle" Jim Antoine got a little too aggressive and took out our very own Joe "Bunny" Larocque. Passing very crisp, as five sticks were broken during practice trying to receive a pass. Speed is also one of the team's assets. This year, Georgina "Skate-Like-The-Wind" Frankie, literally burned several grooves into the ice.

The team features four strong lines, including those led by James "Van Cleefe" Arvaluk, and Donnie "Teflon" Morin. Madam Speaker, since Mr. Morin has been on the Executive he has humbled himself, both on the Executive level and on the ice. News of the team has already reached the ears of the media. Concerned about what they were facing, a media spy was sent to watch a practice and was quickly evicted by Kelvin "The Enforcer" Ng. Dave "Scottie" Hamilton, the team's general manager, has spiffed up his wardrobe for this illustrious event.

The Sharks would like to remind their fans that game time is tomorrow at 2:00 pm in the community arena. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Keewatin Central , Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Question 359-12(5): Injured Workers' Access To Courts Following Appeals Process

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ballantyne on March 23, 1994 regarding injured workers' access to courts, following the appeals process. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North asked me on March 23 what recourse was available to workers who have exhausted the appeals process for workers' compensation.

The Workers' Compensation Act is quite specific about such cases.

Section 7.9(1) of the act states: "Subject to sections 7.7 and 7.8, a decision of the appeals tribunal on an appeal is final and conclusive."

Section 7.9(2) states: "A decision of the appeals tribunal may not be questioned or reviewed in any court."

The only exceptions would be:

1. Where the board considers that the appeals tribunal has failed to properly apply the policy established by the board or has failed to comply with the provisions of the act or the regulations (section 7.7). In this case, the board may direct the appeals tribunal to rehear the appeal and give fair and reasonable consideration to that policy and those provisions. In doing so, the board may stay a decision, ruling or order of the appeals tribunal pending a rehearing of the appeal.

2. The appeals tribunal may vary a decision made by it and may, on its own motion, rehear an appeal (section 7.8).

3. A judicial review may be sought by an appellant where it is felt that the appeals tribunal has, for example, failed to follow the rules of natural justice, fettered its discretion, or exceeded its authority. In such cases, the court may only direct that the appeal be reheard and under what parameters but cannot change the appeal decision itself.

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Further Return To Question 359-12(5): Injured Workers' Access To Courts Following Appeals Process

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Further Return To Question 348-12(5): Policy For Over-accommodating Staff Under Staff Housing Guidelines

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

This is a response to a question asked by Mr. Ng on March 22, 1994 regarding policy for over- accommodating staff under staff housing guidelines. While we do not have a policy for allocating staff housing, we do have guidelines. A copy of those guidelines was tabled yesterday. The guidelines provide for employees, at or above the regional superintendent level, to be assigned one bedroom larger than the size normally allocated based on employee's needs.

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Further Return To Question 329-12(5): Guidelines For Allocation Of Staff Housing

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

I have another return, Madam Speaker, if I may. It is a return to oral question asked by Mr. Ng on March 18, 1994 regarding guidelines for allocation of staff housing. In allocating staff accommodations, the primary consideration is the number of bedrooms required for an employee's family.

Wherever possible, employees with large families are accommodated in units which have the most space. However, a larger unit costs more to rent. Because of this, employees are given a choice of a smaller unit if one is available.

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Further Return To Question 329-12(5): Guidelines For Allocation Of Staff Housing

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Return To Question 320-12(5): Advertising Re Consumer Affairs

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Arvaluk on March 18, 1994 with regard to advertising in Consumer Affairs. Madam Speaker, Consumer and Corporate Affairs develops, produces and disseminates information to the public on consumer-related matters, as departmental resources permit. The division also assists consumers through conciliation and

mediation in resolving complaints they may have with products or services purchased by them.

A combination of these approaches was used most recently during an outbreak of telephone solicitations offering fabulous prizes in exchange for purchase of a small quantity of goods from southern telemarkets to residents of the Northwest Territories. A newsletter entitled "Northern Consumer" is produced and distributed every three months to over 600 subscribers, free of charge. The mailing list includes nursing stations, adult educators, schools, libraries, doctors offices, health clinics, and individuals in every community in the Northwest Territories.

Northern Consumer deals with timely issues affecting the consumer, such as recalls, product information and warnings of any potential disreputable marketers.

The issue of price gouging is one that has been a concern for many years. In remote areas of the Northwest Territories, as elsewhere, businesses generally set a price for goods that the market will bear. While this practice would appear to be insensitive to the unique needs of northern communities, the territorial government has no regulatory authority to control, or in any way affect, the prices of consumer products, with the exception of liquor, charged the merchants in the Northwest Territories.

However, as Minister, I am always prepared to offer my assistance in trying to resolve consumer issues that are brought to my attention. Madam Speaker, I will be sending the Member a package of consumer information produced by the division under a separate cover. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Return To Question 320-12(5): Advertising Re Consumer Affairs

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs. As I mentioned in my Member's statement, the subsidized water and sewer rates have had a positive impact on our northern economy, helping both residents and small businesses.

Madam Speaker, I was disturbed to hear that a Cabinet decision has been made to substantially increase these rates. I would like to ask the Minister when this decision was made by Cabinet?

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Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The decision was to increase commercial rates, not necessarily residential rates, just commercial rates by a small amount and the decision was made earlier this month. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Supplementary To Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it is my understanding it is a substantial increase. Could I ask the Minister what the new water and sewer rates will be? Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't have the information right at my fingertips, but, it is an increase which is based over a number of years. I would be willing to get the information for the Member. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Supplementary To Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. With regard to the new rates for the water and sewer subsidy program, when does the Minister anticipate that these new rates will come into effect? Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I believe the rates should be effective May 1, but I would have to check the decision paper again, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 366-12(5): Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 367-12(5): Consultation Re Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is again to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs in dealing with the water and sewage rates. The Cabinet has previously made commitments to consult with Members on the major issues which will affect their communities, and I certainly believe that this is one issue that falls under that category. I would like to ask the Minister what consultation he undertook with Members of this House before recommending this change to Cabinet.

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Question 367-12(5): Consultation Re Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I believe the consultation with regard to the water and sewer subsidy has been raised by a number of Members, and I believe the first time that the subsidy was mentioned was in the fall session, in October or November. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ng .

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Supplementary To Question 367-12(5): Consultation Re Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Question 367-12(5): Consultation Re Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. I don't believe the Minister has answered the question. The question was, what consultation did he undertake with Members of this House prior to bringing this change of rates forward to Cabinet?

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Supplementary To Question 367-12(5): Consultation Re Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Question 367-12(5): Consultation Re Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 824

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. With regard to this particular policy, when I became a Member of the Cabinet, I did not make any consultation but I understood consultation had been made by previous Members of this particular department. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ng .

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Question 367-12(5): Consultation Re Increase To Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if he undertook any consultation with municipalities that will be affected by this rate change, prior to him bringing this forward to Cabinet. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I, again, as a Minister, did not make consultation with the municipalities. Again, I would have to say that the way I understood it, previous Ministers had made consultation with municipalities in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. Arvaluk .

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Question 368-12(5): Reason For Increasing Water And Sewer Rates

Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The decision that the Minister indicated will potentially have serious negative impact in the current initiative to promote home ownership. By the way, Madam Speaker, my question is to the same Minister, Municipal and Community Affairs. The cost to own and maintain a home in the Northwest Territories is already very high, particularly in the smaller communities that I represent. The higher cost for water and sewer charges may be just enough to make home ownership out of reach for some individuals.

Why did the Minister propose a change in the water and sewer rates knowing the negative effect it would have on encouraging the development of housing markets in smaller communities?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to set the record straight, Madam Speaker. The changes that were made by Cabinet do not affect residents. They don't affect residential units or home owners in small communities. There are a couple of things that were done with this particular decision. With questions and discussions held by a number of Members in this House who represent cities, towns or villages, the department was asked to equalize the subsidy rate in cities, towns and villages, which, in effect, this decision did. However, the decision did not affect any residential units in any community.

The only effect that this decision that was made by Cabinet earlier this month had, was a slight increase to commercial users in the communities. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 369-12(5): Reason For Carvers Owing Money To Revenue Canada

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 824

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister of Finance with regard to dealing with the income tax payment and the request of the Baffin South residents.

This month, Cape Dorset people had a concern, especially the carvers. Usually they have to pay quite a bit of money to Revenue Canada. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance , why do they have to pay Revenue Canada when they do their taxes? There are a lot of carvers in Cape Dorset, and they are pretty concerned, when they do their taxes that they have to pay a huge amount of money to Revenue Canada. They would like to find out what the reasons are for paying the huge amounts back to Revenue Canada. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 825

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, one of the things that the federal Minister and I have been trying to do is get the tax people into the smaller communities in the Northwest Territories so that they can explain how the tax system works, why the rates are the way they are, what the deductibles are and so on. I'm hoping that as we progress through these community visits, the kind of question that I'm being asked right now will be answered directly to the community residents themselves.

I'm only guessing, Madam Speaker, that they probably have to pay large, lump sum amounts simply because they may not have contributed throughout the year. I think that's one of the things that we'll be suggesting, is that there be some kind of arrangement made whereby they can pay throughout the year.

Why do they pay Revenue Canada, Madam Speaker? They pay Revenue Canada because under the Canadian tax system, everybody except Quebec works along with the Canadian government. We usually set our taxes in the Northwest Territories, Yukon or in the provinces, except Quebec, as a percentage of the federal tax. So the federal government levies an income tax on people. We levy an income tax as a percentage of the federal amount and the federal government collects it and remits it back to the provinces and the territories, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 369-12(5): Reason For Carvers Owing Money To Revenue Canada

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 825

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker, and thank you, Mr. Minister, for your response. Can I assure my constituents who are concerned about this income tax? Will I be able to inform them that if you want to find out more about why you're paying that amount, would I be able to tell them that they have to enquire to Revenue Canada? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I'm going from past experiences with Revenue Canada. If there's a fear in the community that they will be assessed large sums of money that they may not be able to pay at that particular time, it is not uncommon for Revenue Canada to work out some kind of payment program with people to give them some time to pay. So if there's a fear in communities that these people are going to go in there and say you owe us $15,000 and you must pay right now -- and I can't speak for the federal Minister, but I can only say that they have been reasonable in the past and I would expect them to be reasonable in the future, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker, I believe the Member's constituency is going to be visited by the federal tax people during the first week of April of this year. And, yes, those are the kinds of questions that they will be able to answer. They can provide information to the Member and to his constituents with regard to how much tax they should pay. I have also indicated to the federal Minister that he should be prepared to supply some information in syllabics so that people will be able to read it themselves. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral question. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Question 370-12(5): Maca Minister's Knowledge Of Government's Commitment To Consult

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 825

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Premier . It is with regard to the process of public consultation. During the Premier 's pitch to become a public leader, she made several commitments with regard to consultation and she made another commitment during the time you were elected, Madam Speaker. She said that times are changing. When the government first started, it started on the basis of making decisions, but now the commitment is to consult with communities. I would like to ask the Premier whether or not that commitment was conveyed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs with regard to the government's commitment to consult?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I assume this is a question regarding the water and sewage policy. Madam Speaker, what I have suggested to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, is that he provide you with the consultation process that did take place over a number of years on this one issue. This has been a long standing issue that has come back to Cabinet several times and has been carried over a number of years.

There's been a great deal of community consultation and this process has taken place. But, it may be that because it is an old subject, and it kept coming back, that the Members of this Legislative Assembly should be provided with the type of consultation that took place, when it took place, and how we came to this particular position. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm not too sure whether my question should be addressed to the Premier , but I want to ask the Premier if this particular rent increase has gone through the Public Utilities Board? When there is a rate increase, does the PUB invite public participation to determine if the increases should take place?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, these decisions are not governed under the Public Utilities Act.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

So there is really nobody in existence right now then? I realize this is commercial, but there are a lot of businesses in my constituency that might be affected by this increase. Who should they go to if they don't agree with the rate increase?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the issue is not necessarily relative to a rate increase. It is taking off some of the subsidy. It appears to be a rate increase, but it is taking away some of the subsidy that the government has provided over a number of years. I would think that if there are grave problems out there and Members want an additional briefing on exactly what the increases are going to mean, we would be prepared to do that. If there are grave problems with it out there, then I would think that the recourse would be through their MLAs and through this Legislative Assembly. That would be the proper way to go.

There were suggestions over a number of years to take away the subsidy quickly, but the new decisions have ensured that the subsidy will be phased in over a number of years. As well, after two years go by, we are suggesting that we do a review of it. It may be that once the Members have taken a look at the details of what is being proposed, they would feel much more able to judge whether those increases are fair or not fair. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I guess I will direct my question to the Premier . Madam Speaker, if this is an old, outstanding issue, as the Premier indicated earlier, then why didn't the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, through the consultation process that we've established, consult the Members prior to his department presenting the new proposal to Cabinet? Definitely, we weren't advised recently as to the initiative of the Minister of MACA.

I would like to ask the Premier why haven't one of her Cabinet Ministers advised us accordingly, because we've already established that consultation process and it's an ongoing process. I would like to ask the Premier , why haven't one of her Ministers advised us accordingly? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, just to once again restate that because the issue has been on the table to be dealt with for some time now, and I think only to be fair to the present Minister, there has been consultation. What I've suggested is that we provide you, tomorrow, with when the consultation took place and what has happened from the beginning to this date. The more important issue is that if the Members would wish, they could have a briefing at the end of today or as soon as possible to see exactly what is being proposed, and see if that is still not in keeping with good government. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you. Supplementary, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, if I could ask the Premier if she could request from her Cabinet Minister if she could table the details of this increase of the rates. I understand it is specifically to the commercial rates. If she can provide us the details of the current rates versus the proposed rates that are going to be implemented, I think the Minister indicated on May 1. If she can provide this to the House. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, we would be pleased to provide those details, and we'll have a statement and as much information available as the Members wish. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 372-12(5): Status Of Residential Rate Increases

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the honourable Minister of MACA. Madam Speaker, according to the information that we received this morning from our colleague who is in Iqaluit, from the regional perspective, the rates in municipal services -- that is water and sewer -- are going to be increasing in both the residential and commercial. The honourable Minister indicated in his response to my

colleague, in this House, that they will not be increased in residential units. Could the Minister assure the House that there will be no increase in residential units? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The decision of Cabinet and myself was that we were not going to touch any of the rates for residential units in any community. The only thing we were trying to do in the department was to equalize the subsidy that is transferred to the hamlets, and make it so that it's equal for tax-based municipalities, for example, Fort Smith. That's basically what this policy was trying to do, to equalize the subsidy for water and sewer in tax-based municipalities.

The reduction of subsidy to hamlets and municipalities was for commercial users only, not residential users. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. The Minister is saying that there will not be increases in residential units in the system. Is that the answer? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That is correct.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 373-12(5): Criteria For Applying For Social Assistance

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Social Services . Yesterday, during committee of the whole, while we were discussing her department's budget, I had asked the question whether deductions from welfare payments for previous month's income was according to the departmental guidelines or policies. She replied in the affirmative, then added that it is also in the policy that those who wish to apply for welfare have to try to sell their belongings first, before applying for assistance, although the policy was not enforced.

This answer was not clear from unedited Hansard, but I have reviewed the tapes made yesterday and she said it. So I would like to ask the Minister if it is true that according to their policy, the clients on welfare have to try to sell their belongings before applying for

assistance. Is this according to their policy? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Social Services , Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

...committee of the whole in dealing with my department's budget, Madam Speaker, when Mr. Pudlat asked whether it was in fact true that we have a regulation stating that the amount earned has to be deducted when the recipient applies for social assistance. My reply was, in Inuktitut -- and this is my translation -- is that we do have a policy that is mandatory, and that it is applied whenever the social assistance recipients apply for assistance. The earned income is deducted according to our regulation and legislation.

I further added that we also have a regulation that states the recipient should try to sell any capital item they have before seeking social assistance. In recognizing the situations that we have in the north, it's unique and we have not been applying that because it doesn't make sense to be selling your capital assets that you use to supplement your daily food. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 374-12(5): Impact Of Rate Increase On Commercially Owned Residential Units

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is again to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. He stated that the subsidy decrease, versus rate increase, I gather, is stated for commercial users, primarily, and not residential. I would like to clarify that. I would like to ask the Minister if it affects residential units that are owned by commercial businesses. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

I am not certain whether this would affect residences of small businesses. I don't believe so, but I would have to check on that and take his question as notice. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Again, to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs with regard to his response to Mr. Ningark . In clarifying the subsidy, he used the term "equalizing" the subsidies, and if I understand the

response, are we then looking at the rate increase based on something like social assistance? In other words, Madam Speaker, the subsidy would be based on a rate in different regions, as opposed to an increase of ten cents or 22 cents or 33 cents, whatever the rate is. It is not across the north, then? You are looking at different formulas for that subsidy.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The policy, as it stood before, was that municipalities were subsidized for the delivery and the services of the water and sewage programs to hamlets and not necessarily to tax-based municipalities. What the amendment to this policy will do is to subsidize municipalities which are tax-based, which means that tax-based municipalities will now be able to receive a subsidy for the delivery of their water and sewage programs, and it will be calculated by a formula. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

For clarification, then, we do have a formula that is used in order to determine that subsidy in the different regions, as opposed to one subsidy across the board, right across the north, then?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The formula which is used for the water and sewage program is part of the operations assistance policy, the formula which is used to calculate the operations assistance that each community will get. So the water and sewage formula would be only a small portion of a larger formula which is used to subsidize communities. I would be willing to provide the formula. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question will be directed to the same Minister, the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs. I would like to ask the Minister if the business community in the non-tax-based and also tax-based municipalities have been consulted with regard to the increase of the commercial rates.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

The decrease of subsidy, Madam Speaker, originally came as a result of fiscal restraint which this government was in a couple of years ago. This originated when the departments were asked to find ways of cutting their funds. This subsidy decrease will apply to all municipalities in the Northwest Territories, and, Madam Speaker, I do have the information, at this point, which is that there will be a slight reduction of .0005 cents per litre. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Madam Speaker, the honourable Member responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs did not answer my question. My question was, did he consult with the businesses at the community level prior to implementing these changes? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. When I took over this portfolio, I understood that there had been extensive consultation with the communities, and what I did was take a step which had not been taken by previous Ministers, which was to take it into Cabinet. The way I understood it, there was extensive consultation with communities across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Madam Speaker, I am having a little bit of a difficult time. The honourable Member is indicating that he has consulted the community, so I assume that includes the businesses that are going to be affected by these proposed rates, but I also want to ask the Minister, has the department, prior to making these suggestions for changes, done a detailed analysis of the effects on businesses pertaining to these changes that are being proposed by the department? Have they done that type of work? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I assume that by saying communities I was saying that

businesses were consulted. To what degree, I am not certain, but there was consultation made with communities. With the analysis, the department did make a detailed analysis of this decrease in the subsidy for commercial users. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. If the department has done this analysis with regard to the effects on businesses, could I ask the Minister if he could provide to the House the results of the analysis that was conducted. The reason that I am saying that, Madam Speaker, is that, if we are going to decrease an amount of money to municipalities, that means municipalities themselves have to move in on the amount that is required for them to operate.

The proposed changes being made by the government mean we're decreasing the subsidy on the commercial side, that means the municipalities have to pick up the balance of the revenues. That would mean that the water and sewer rates for commercial users would have to be increased at the community level. That's why I wanted the Minister to provide us with the details of the analysis the department has done. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. I just want to caution Members not to be repetitive. I believe this question was like one posed to the Premier . Although I will allow the Minister of MACA to reply to it, I just want to advise Members of this House that questions are to be posed once to the Ministers and that there shouldn't be similar questions posed by other Members on the same topic. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have no difficulty in providing the information to the Member. The only thing is, the analysis is based on what savings it will have for the territorial government, and not necessarily for municipalities. The municipalities vary in size and amount of funds they are able to acquire. In some cases, municipalities have a surplus in their water and sewage program, so it will depend on each municipality to decide whether they will increase the rates for commercial users.

With so many municipalities having surpluses, it shows to us that our subsidy rates for these municipalities is high. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Consumer Affairs. His reply under returns to oral questions, created more questions, especially on the second page of his reply which says, "The

territorial government has no regulatory authority to control or in any way affect the prices of consumer products."

My question is, since there is no regulatory means to discourage price gouging, will the Minister consider introducing legislation or regulations with teeth, to investigate or find incidents of price gouging to give remote communities to share in an affordable and enjoyable life-style? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. I apologize, the Minister of Consumer Affairs. I'm sorry, not consumer affairs, Safety and Public Services, which consumer affairs falls under. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm glad that you've given me more titles and responsibilities. Madam Speaker, I just want to say this to the honourable Member. In some of these cases, the jurisdiction does exist, but the authority rests in the hands of the federal government. What we need to do is advise those communities or individuals who are having problems in the area of price gouging to take the appropriate steps and to address the appropriate legislation and use the mechanisms.

As I indicated to the honourable Member, we would be prepared to provide assistance to the honourable Member and his constituents -- and to other Members -- when they feel there is a need for us to intervene or to bring the concerns to the attention of the appropriate agency.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Madam Speaker, I don't know if this should be a supplementary, but I did not hear him say yes or no to my question. That's what I wanted to hear.

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Thank you. There's wasn't a question there, Mr. Arvaluk . It was basically a comment. Do you want to ask a question in your supplementary?

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question was, will the Minister consider introducing legislation to discourage price gouging? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I didn't indicate to the honourable Member that yes, I would, because there is the possibility that there is legislation in existence already within the jurisdiction of the federal government. The matter is whether or not that legislation is being applied. I indicated to the honourable Member that we would review the matter and if there's a situation where we

could be of assistance to the honourable Member's constituency, we would be prepared to provide our assistance in accessing or providing advice to them, so we use the appropriate legislation.

There may not be a requirement to introduce legislation. If there is, then obviously we have to seriously consider that matter.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would there be some kind of complement to the federal legislation that the Minister would consider, as the present system of being a watchdog for price gouging is not practicable. You can't really do it because federal legislation does not give clear guidelines for what prices should be in small communities. My supplementary, Madam Speaker, is would he consider complementary and further information to protect the consumers? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

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I'll certainly consider the comments that have been made by the honourable Member and review whether there is any need for us to introduce legislation. If there is, we will consider it, but I would suggest that we review the matter prior to making any final decisions.

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Thank you. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 378-12(5): Extension Of Runway For Gjoa Haven

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is for the honourable Minister of Transportation . According to my information, Madam Speaker, Ptarmigan Air is planning to start scheduled service to Gjoa Haven, Taloyoak, Holman Island and Pelly Bay during the coming summer. Also according to my information, the company anticipates a load restriction for Gjoa Haven as a result of the runway being too short. I know the community would want to have the full service of the airline. The company will be using the runway, the terminal building, air traffic control and so on, therefore, the community would want to have the full service of the company.

I want to ask the honourable Minister to assure me and this House that the extension of the runway will be constructed during this upcoming summer, in order to accommodate the needed service to that community. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Under the current capital planning process, Madam Speaker, I don't believe that dollars are being allocated to the expansion or improvement of the Gjoa Haven runway. However, there is money in the budget to improve the air terminal facility there. Given this new event and the fact that Ptarmigan Airways with its new Gulf Stream converted to passenger and freight, I will take the honourable Member's request under consideration and we will see if we can fit it somewhere into the capital process in the coming months. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 379-12(5): Double Standard For Allocation Of Staff Housing

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Personnel . I thank her for providing the staff housing guidelines that she tabled a couple of days ago. The guidelines state that employees at or above a regional superintendent level are to be assigned one bedroom larger than the size normally allocated, based on the employee's needs. I can say that in the Kitikmeot, history has proven the matter of over accommodation of regional management staff to be the norm rather than the exception.

I would like to ask the Minister why there are two standards for allocation of staff housing, which clearly favours senior government staff employees by allowing them to be over- accommodated? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My department informs me that this guideline has been in place for quite some time now. When I asked the same question to my DM, one of the reasons that was given to me was in the past it has been used to lure credible employees to come to smaller communities from the southern market. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister then why, if she recognizes the obvious favouritism towards senior government employees, she allows them to be over-accommodated? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. If this guideline was put in ten years ago, I don't consider it being a favouritism. It was put in to attract credible employees who we could not find in the north. However, I will work to try to change the guideline if that's how this House wants to see it. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you. So the Minister has recognized, I take it from her answer, and committed to changing the guidelines to ensure fairness and equity. I would like to ask her, if that is the case, when she plans on making this change to the policy to ensure fairness to all employees, regardless of their ranking? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I do have weekly meetings with my DM. I will discuss it further with him. However, if it will mean that we will no longer be able to attract qualified senior staff for the regions, then we will have to give other considerations how best we can make the jobs, especially in remote areas, attractive to people who have qualifications to fill those positions we need in the regions. Thank you.

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Question 380-12(5): Access Road In Chesterfield Inlet

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Transportation . I have talked to the Minister on several occasions, asking him questions regarding the need for an access road in Chesterfield Inlet to the fishing camp. I also asked him on several occasions in the House, if that can be considered or if it has been considered by the department. My question is, since it's been several years ago that I brought it up for the first time and I've been bringing it up subsequently, if he has analyzed that that kind of access road can be utilized for Chesterfield Inlet. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We do have a program in place, as I said when my budget came before the House, and that's the access road program. It does have a limitation. The dollars for the current year are $600,000; $750,000 for the next year and $1 million for the next year. These access roads are an initiative of the communities, and the honourable Member has spoken to me on a number of occasions about this issue, and so have other municipalities.

I have corresponded with these municipalities and asked them to give us a multi-year proposal showing where they would contribute and where we could contribute to the development of these small access roads. To date, we do not have the proposal for Chesterfield Inlet, but it is under discussion right now. Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The proposal will probably come forth, however, as he knows, the hamlet itself in the last couple of years has been in the recovery program. For those kinds of hamlets that are under the recovery program, or haven't recovered from the recovery program, what is the method of submitting a proposal if the municipality cannot afford what the Minister has just stated?

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Keewatin Central

I was going to say they don't get one. No...Let's go back to the policy for a moment because it's an important policy. The policy clearly indicates that it has to be a joint effort. I just want to stress again, we have limited dollars, as I said already. There are requests coming from all across the territories since this new policy came in place, and as we all know our good friend, Mr. Ningark from Natilikmiot, was instrumental in having it addressed.

We're not asking the municipalities for any cash or any direct monetary contribution. What we're suggesting is if the