Debates of March 2nd, 1992

This is page numbers 207 - 230 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers' Statement 22-12(2): Settlement Of Dispute In Inuvik

Sobriety Requirements For Alcohol And Drug Workers

Implementation Of Sobriety Clause For Alcohol And Drug Workers

Report Of Special Joint Committee On A Renewed Canada

Establishment Of Upassuraakut

Praise For Hardworking Staff On Redknife Highway

Question O212-12(2): Status Of Community Hall For Sanikiluaq

Question O213-12(2): Implementation Of Grade 11 In Sanikiluaq

Question O214-12(2): Mistakes In Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

Question O215-12(2): Tabling Of "nwt Way" Model For Health Delivery

Question O216-12(2): Opinions Of Alcohol And Drug Workers On Sobriety Clause

Question O217-12(2): Sobriety For Northwest Territories Teachers

Question O218-12(2): Problem Behind Sobriety Clause

Question O219-12(2): Abstention By Departmental Staff

Question O220-12(2): Fire At Expo Site In Seville

Question O221-12(2): Definition Of Modern Health Centre

Question O222-12(2): Funding For Baffin Divisional Board Of Education

Question O233-12(2): Funding For Baffin Divisional Board Of Education To Produce Inuktitut Materials

Elective Birthing In Fort Simpson

Question O225-12(1): Interest Dollars Accrued By Divisional Boards Of Education

Question O226-12(2): Auditor General's Ruling On Use Of Interest Money

Question O227-12(2): Expansion Of Kitikmeot Boarding Home To Accommodate Keewatin Patients

Question O228-12(2): Contribution Agreements To Communities

Question O229-12(2): Effect Of New Budget On Employees

Question O230-12(2): Home Care Services, Fort Simpson

Question W13-12(2): Government Housing For Sale, Fort Smith

Question W14-12(2): Annual Operation And Maintenance Costs, Fort Smith Regional Building

Question W15-12(2): Contributions By The Northwest Territories Development Corporation

Question W16-12(2): Trip By Department Of Public Works Staff

Question W17-12(2): Trip By Department Of Education Staff

Question W18-12(2): Trip By Department Of Health Staff

Question W19-12(2): Trip By Department Of Economic Development And Tourism Staff

Question W20-12(2): Concerns Over Administration And Management Of Inuvik Regional Hospital

Question W21-12(2): Fort Simpson Health Care

Committee Report 4-12(2): Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform

Notice Of Motion For First Reading Of Bill 18: Young Offenders Act

First Reading Of Bill 16: NWT Housing Corporation Act

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan, Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 207

The Speaker

Good afternoon. Orders of the day for Monday, March 2, 1992. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Allooloo .

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Ministers' Statement 22-12(2): Settlement Of Dispute In Inuvik

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 207

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. The Inuvik Community Education Council met on Friday, February 28, and recommended a compromise that will provide teachers in both schools in Inuvik with one-half day for in- service training. They also recommended that teachers at both schools be allowed to dismiss classes early in the afternoon on two other days to complete their in-service training.

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Ministers' Statement 22-12(2): Settlement Of Dispute In Inuvik

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

I would like to welcome to the Assembly, Mrs. Colbourne and her grade 10 class, from Sir John Franklin High School.

--- Applause

Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Sobriety Requirements For Alcohol And Drug Workers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 207

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to talk about an issue that was raised on several occasions by the honourable Member for Baffin Central regarding the sobriety requirements for alcohol and drug workers in the Northwest Territories. After listening to the debate in question period last Friday, I became very concerned with the approach taken by the Minister of Social Services . Essentially the Minister has told dissenting alcohol and drug groups that it is "my way or the highway."

Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the sobriety requirement is to be included in all contribution agreements between the GNWT and local boards for the provision of alcohol and drug treatment programs. To me, a contribution agreement means exactly that, an accommodation negotiated between two parties. It does not mean, "Here is the agreement; sign on the bottom line." My question to the Minister would be: Where is the agreement in the current process?

The second concern I have, Mr. Speaker, is the Minister's attitude toward communities who have chosen not to adhere to the sobriety requirement as arbitrarily implemented by the Minister. In the unedited Hansard on February 28 the Minister stated, "I am contemplating very seriously that as the door closes on the acceptance of some of these resources, that I redistribute them to the communities that are showing active participation and support the intent and spirit of the program."

Mr. Speaker, in the Minister's world only communities that adhere to his policy will get funding for drug and alcohol treatment. I hope this is not a typical attitude of this government. I wonder if we will be negotiating community transfer agreements in a similar manner.

Mr. Speaker, this approach and attitude, to me, is clearly unacceptable. No matter what the advantages or disadvantages of a sobriety requirement are, the process used by the Minister of Social Services to implement this requirement is heavy-handed at best. I hope the Minister would reconsider his intransigent approach to this issue, sit down and negotiate with all parties concerned. Thank you.

--- Applause

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Sobriety Requirements For Alcohol And Drug Workers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 207

The Speaker

Members' statements. Members' statements. Ms. Mike .

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Implementation Of Sobriety Clause For Alcohol And Drug Workers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 207

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have already voiced my concerns about the decision made by the Department of Social Services which tries to force alcohol and drug project employees to abstain from any use of alcohol. Today I would like to raise additional concerns about the way the Minister of Social Services has gone about implementing the decision. I am very unhappy with the Minister's unwillingness to listen seriously to the concerns that have been raised about this policy.

I do not believe the Minister understands our Eastern Arctic communities, and I know he does not understand the role of alcohol and drug counsellors at the local level. It troubles me and my constituents that the Minister has not respected the opinions of people who do not understand these things; people like our elders, the community members who sit on our alcohol and drug committees, and skilled addiction counsellors who work in the Baffin Region.

The recommendation to develop this policy was apparently made by the board of management for alcohol and drug services. This board meets in secret and does not make its minutes available for public review. I am shocked to learn that there is currently no representation from either the Baffin Region or the Keewatin Region on the board. The decision to implement this policy has not been re-evaluated since the election to determine whether it conforms with the community self -initiatives about which the Government Leader has been telling us. The concept has never been debated fully in this House.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister is fond of pointing out that only two alcohol and drug projects in the Northwest Territories have refused to sign the contribution agreement which includes the Minister's sobriety clause. But we should make no mistake, there is very little support for this policy in the Eastern Arctic. There is resentment over the disrespect this Minister has shown to our regional council, and there is concern over his disregard for the views of alcohol and drug workers in my region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Implementation Of Sobriety Clause For Alcohol And Drug Workers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 208

The Speaker

Members will join me in welcoming Mr. Mark Evaloarjuk, a former MLA, presently speaker of the Baffin Regional Council and a member of the board of directors of TFN.

--- Applause

Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Report Of Special Joint Committee On A Renewed Canada

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 208

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am making this statement as a private Member. My comments may not necessarily reflect the views of my honourable colleagues on the special committee on constitutional reform. The report of the Special Joint Committee on a Renewed Canada carries important applications for all Canadians, and for aboriginal Canadians in particular.

I am gratified by the joint committee's position that "after 125 years the time has come to bring aboriginal people into the constitution with equality and respect." Members of the joint committee have proven their commitment to this ideal by proposing entrenchment of aboriginals' inherent right to self-government. This is a significant development in terms of this country's constitutional evolution. I am impressed that the committee chose to overlook those people who, in an attempt to further their self interest, argued that an inherent right to self-government should not or could not exist.

I am referring to the submission made by Mr. Bob MacQuarrie of Yellowknife and certain others across the country. Mr. Speaker, the joint committee did not hear any evidence during the public meetings on whether the entrenchment of aboriginal self-government would affect land claims, but it did consider this to be an important issue which deserves further study. This is a question of significant importance to the Dene of Deh Cho. Our people had the courage to resist political pressures to proceed with a comprehensive Dene/Metis regional claim.

They did this because of the federal government's insistence on the extinguishment of treaty rights. I believe that the entrenchment of inherent right to self-government may affect this federal position.

Time has now proved that the stance of Deh Cho and South Slave chiefs has been the correct one. They are to be commended for their patience in waiting to see the outcome of the national constitutional process, and for their reluctance to be hurried into a deal that would not have been in the best interests of the region.

Mr. Speaker, this is a critical time in the history of the South Slave people. I assure this House that I will be working closely with my honourable colleague for Nahendeh, as well as with the Deh Cho Regional Council, to examine the implication of our inherent right on the land claims process. I will be urging the territorial government to support us in these efforts. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 208

The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Gargan . Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .

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Establishment Of Upassuraakut

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 208

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise to inform Members of this Assembly that as a result of a lot of hard work on the part of many concerned citizens in lqaluit last week and this past weekend, a new group, which call themselves "Upassuraakut," which means "a place for people to go," has established itself to provide a drug and alcohol education and counselling service for lqaluit. Joe Adla Kunuk will chair the group, assisted by Alicy Joamie, vice-chairperson, and Bill McConkey, secretary-treasurer.

The other seven members of the board reflect a good mix of elders and young people, all of whom have experienced first hand the effects of alcohol and drug abuse on people's lives. They are determined that the counselling service they establish will reflect this life experience of the board members.

The board intends to form a society which will apply for funding from the Government of the Northwest Territories' Department of Social Services to deliver a drug and alcohol education and counselling service for lqaluit. Mr. Kunuk has emphasized that any program endorsed by the group will have spiritual, emotional, physical and mental components. He also noted at a public meeting held on this subject last week that members of the community stressed the importance of the land in developing a recovery program.

Mr. Kunuk also stated that the so-called abstinence policy of the territorial government is not an issue with the new board, which is comprised of abstainers. Mr. Kunuk stated that the main concern of the board is to provide a drug and alcohol education and counselling service which is badly needed in lqaluit. Qujannamiik.

--- Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 208

The Speaker

Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Praise For Hardworking Staff On Redknife Highway

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 208

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to tell people here that I drove back to Fort Simpson over the weekend. I thought the highway was fairly good all the way to Simpson, and I made good time. I was lucky I did not encounter any highway patrol, like my colleague here, so I made very good time.

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Praise For Hardworking Staff On Redknife Highway

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

What about buffalo?

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Praise For Hardworking Staff On Redknife Highway

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

When I got to the Redknife Highway maintenance camp, I could not continue because they had just cooked some moose ribs over the fire. I could not say, "No," because I had been eating restaurant food here all week, so it was a good treat for me.

What I found out was that they closed the road to Trout Lake. Apparently they had four days of good weather in the plus eight and plus nine area, and one day at plus 15 degrees Celsius. What happened is that the winter road had thawed out and four tanker fuel trucks were stuck on the road into Trout Lake. It was inconvenient for the people of Trout Lake to get in and out of the community I know the people that work on the highways are helping to try to open the road. They are working over the weekend, and I want to mention that there are people that work hard and try to do their job right. I want them to be recognized. Mahsi.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O212-12(2): Status Of Community Hall For Sanikiluaq

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Municipal Affairs . Sanikiluaq has requested funding for a gym. They have been requesting a community hall for quite a long time. I would like to know what the status is on their application for a gym or community hall. Thank you.

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Question O212-12(2): Status Of Community Hall For Sanikiluaq

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

The Speaker

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs .

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Question O212-12(2): Status Of Community Hall For Sanikiluaq

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I guess I am learning in this job that you no sooner get one project completed than another pops up. I am delighted that the capital budget for my department includes a new arena for Sanikiluaq in the coming year.

---Applause

But I see the community is already turning toward their next requirement. Mr. Speaker, I do not have the information at hand to answer the Member's question. We are concentrating on the arena right now, so I will take the question as notice.

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Question O212-12(2): Status Of Community Hall For Sanikiluaq

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

The Speaker

Question is being taken as notice. Mr. Pudlat . New question.

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Question O213-12(2): Implementation Of Grade 11 In Sanikiluaq

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) I have a question to the Minister of Education . Sanikiluaq has been trying to get grade 11 in the community for some time. They had conferences in Sanikiluaq about this. Students come home before the end of the school year because they are getting homesick. For that reason they would like to have grade 11 in the community. What is the status of that request?

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Question O213-12(2): Implementation Of Grade 11 In Sanikiluaq

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Mr. Allooloo .

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Question O213-12(2): Implementation Of Grade 11 In Sanikiluaq

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr .Speaker. Last Thursday as the Minister of Education I presented the budget for education for grades being upgraded to grade 11 in Sanikiluaq. When the main estimates are approved, the grade 11 that they are requesting will be implemented. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Question O214-12(2): Mistakes In Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health . Over the past several weeks I have asked the Minister of Health about the Fort Simpson hospital. They are going through the Strength at Two Levels report. I have to make some corrections in that. We do not have a regional board of health for the Mackenzie as indicated in the Beatty report. As well, we have only one contract position in the Fort Simpson hospital, rather than two as stated in that report.

There are some mistakes in the report, and recognizing that this Strength at Two Levels report's strategic division of the Department of Health is based on information that is incorrect, how can the Minister have confidence in the recommendations in it, especially regarding the Fort Simpson hospital? Mahsi.

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Question O214-12(2): Mistakes In Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

The Speaker

Minister of Health , Mr. Whitford .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We recognize, as well, that there are some areas in the Strength at Two Levels report that may not reflect the situation at the current time. I believe that at the time the research was done this may have been the situation. We are not basing our decisions or anything that we do totally on the figures in any report. I have explained to the Member that we are going to go to revisit these facilities and review the current status, review some of the historical figures that were there, to ensure that our figures are correct when we discuss anything that may be of a statistical nature.

I want to assure the Member that we are not basing anything that we are doing strictly on the figures that he may have seen in this report.

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Question O214-12(2): Mistakes In Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

The Speaker

Supplementary, Mr. Antoine . --- Applause

Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

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Question O214-12(2): Mistakes In Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Appendix 11, Strength at Two Levels report, recommends that the Fort Simpson hospital should be transformed into a modern health centre with no elective birthing, and long-term care being moved to the community through home care and other non-institutional community health care. My question is, what is the Minister's definition of a "modern health centre"?

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Question O214-12(2): Mistakes In Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Mr. Whitford .

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Question O214-12(2): Mistakes In Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess it is a fairly broad question, and I am not sure whether or not my

interpretation of what it says in the report would be what a modern concept is. I think that we are looking to ensure that adequate health services are delivered to communities based on need and based on the availability of that particular type of service. We want to ensure that communities and regions get good health treatment at an economical price.

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Question O214-12(2): Mistakes In Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Question O214-12(2): Mistakes In Beatty Report Re Health Service In Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the 1990-91 fiscal year the contract physician at the Fort Simpson hospital saw 2220 patients, including one or two life-threatening emergencies, per month. Can the Minister assure the House that regardless of what the department is going to do, according to this Beatty report recommendation, he will not take any steps to eliminate the funding arrangements that allow us to have a medical doctor available in Fort Simpson? Mahsi.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . The Minister of Health often refers to a document called the NWT Way model for health delivery in respect to addressing health care concerns across the Territories. Will he consider tabling that particular document in this House for discussion?

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Mr. Speaker, can the Minister give me some indication as to when he will be able to table the document in this House? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I will endeavour to comply with the request of the honourable Member. For information, Mr. Speaker, tomorrow the Ordinary Members have agreed to a presentation by the Department of Health dealing with many of the concerns that some of the Members have with the NWT Way, and direction and

interpretations of Strength at Two Levels, so there will be a briefing for Ordinary Members tomorrow on that.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister clarify for me, once he can obtain translation of this document will he take it upon himself to table the document in the House for further discussion? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is the intention, to have the document translated so that all Members will be able to read what it is.

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Question O216-12(2): Opinions Of Alcohol And Drug Workers On Sobriety Clause

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Social Services has been fond of pointing out that only two alcohol and drug projects have refused to sign the contribution agreement which includes the sobriety clause. He has implied that there is great support for his abstinence policy in all other alcohol and drug projects across the Northwest Territories. In fact, this policy is not widely supported in the Baffin Region, and

I suspect that it lacks support elsewhere as well. My question is for the Minister of Social Services . Can the Minister advise the House whether he bothered to canvass the opinions of alcohol and drug workers and their community-based supervisors before deciding to follow through with the implementation of this policy?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are some 42 programs across the Territories that deliver alcohol and drug treatment and help people in need in that area. No, I have not consulted each and every one. I have received a number of letters from some of the centres in support of it. As I said yesterday, or Friday, some 36 of the committees have already submitted their proposals for the 1992-93 budget. So there seems to be good response to our program.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, is the Minister willing to admit that some organizations may well oppose and ridicule this policy but have been forced to agree with it only under the threat of funding cutbacks?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I know of only one alcohol and drug committee that has ridiculed it, but we have had very good support from the majority.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Would the Minister of Social Services be willing to put his convictions to the test by conducting and then tabling a Territories-wide survey which asks all members of alcohol and drug committees and all the professional addiction counsellors in the NWT to indicate whether they support this abstinence policy?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we are flogging a dead horse here. It seems to have taken on a bit of a personality thing, this whole issue. It is me and them or them and I. Mr. Speaker, I would be willing to take direction from this House. I would like to know if it could be moved into committee of the whole and discussed right here in the House. If the House is in favour of dealing with the sobriety clause in some manner, I will take direction from that.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Social Services did

not answer my question. Can your department conduct a study as to whether this abstinence clause is supported by both the alcohol and drug workers and the counsellors?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

No, Mr. Speaker, I will not, but I would like to see this moved into committee of the whole and we will debate it right on the floor.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Government Leader . The Department of Social Services has introduced this policy of a sobriety clause through the government cabinet on the basis that the principle is to have employees who work directly with the clients set an example. To have consistency in their policy, would the Government Leader introduce this same thing to the teachers of the Northwest Territories, because they have to set an example to the students of the schools?

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Madam Government Leader , Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I cannot answer that question. I know in the abstinence question that we are spending a great deal of time on, that it was first introduced by the drug and alcohol committee. We have been given a clear statement that the membership on that has not been fully instituted, and some parts of the Northwest Territories are not on the committee. I would like to take up the offer from Mr. Whitford , the Minister of Social Services , to put a paper forward for debate in the House. We can have that prepared in the next couple of days and move it into committee of the whole so that everyone can have the opportunity to speak. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Social Services . Last week, the subject of the sobriety clause took up a lot of our time. I am concerned about it. I would like to know, in your opinion, what the problem is with the clause. You are the one dealing with this situation. Can you tell this House what the real problem is behind this policy? Thank you.

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It is not normal to ask opinions of Ministers but, with that, Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I could give this a short answer by saying there are a number of different concerns about it. I would certainly like to bring forward a paper to discuss this matter in the House rather than express my own opinion. It appears that it is narrowing down to my opinion versus other people's opinions. I would be willing to do that.

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Question O219-12(2): Abstention By Departmental Staff

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Social Services . Regarding the sobriety policy that is to be passed, if it is passed, will your departmental staff be able to hire people that do not drink? Perhaps, right now, it is only for staff of the alcohol and drug program. The next step might be for all of your departmental staff to abstain from alcohol. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, the abstinence clause applies only to the signatories of the contribution agreement. It is a condition that is attached to the funding for this particular program, and it does not go beyond that. It deals only with the contribution agreement and persons working within that agreement.

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Question O220-12(2): Fire At Expo Site In Seville

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Mr. Speaker, I heard recently that there was a major fire at the Expo site in Seville. I am wondering if the Minister could advise the House if this fire may have saved the Government of the Northwest Territories a considerable amount of money by creating a situation where we would not have to go forward with our participation at Expo?

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John Pollard

Hay River

I must admit, Mr. Speaker, that when I heard the news that the Expo site was on fire, my hopes were raised, but they were dashed, Mr. Speaker. It was not our building, and there was no damage to our building. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Yes, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Mr. Speaker, on February 13 of this year, the Minister advised this House that he would provide us with a report done by Mr. Fred Abbott on our participation at Expo as soon as it was received. Can the Minister advise me whether or not he has received this report?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, the report was received by Mr. Alvarez on Saturday, I believe, and I have not yet received it, but I will make it available to the House this week. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O221-12(2): Definition Of Modern Health Centre

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

I had my hand up, Mr. Speaker, for an oral question. It is to the Minister of Health again, regarding the hospital in Simpson. Last year we heard there were rumours that the Department of Health was thinking about down-sizing the present hospital. This has caused a lot of concern in Simpson and the region, and that is the reason I am asking you these questions. I asked you earlier what your definition of a modern health centre was, and I was not really satisfied with your answer, so I want to know if it is a nursing station, or is it our present hospital improved with service and programs and the addition of modern equipment? Is it one or the other?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question is a good question. There is no doubt about it that they may be concerned with what has been heard, but it is not the department's intention or policy to downgrade anything that is being used. Perhaps more in line with the policy would be to try to install programs, equipment, personnel and services that are needed in a community wherever resources and the need warrant them.

I think that the definition of a modern facility would reflect, I guess, the needs coupled with the ability to provide a service in that area, of that nature. There was some mention a while ago about having an operating theatre, but if you have an operating theatre and you only use the operating theatre once every two or three months, the people who do the operations do not get the type of practice and amount of work that keeps them in good shape, so to speak. It is like anything else. If you do not keep continuously at it, you are not going to be up to standard.

So I think what we are looking at is balancing the need of an area with the ability to provide services at a reasonable cost and having reasonable access to the type of specialty services that we can provide.

On the other hand, we also have to balance that with alternates as well. If a service is not available there, there is some program in place that makes that kind of service accessible to the public. That will reflect the up-to-date, modern type of facility. It will utilize whatever technology is available within reasonable costs and need for that area.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I like what the Minister is saying, and that is basically exactly what we have been saying in Simpson all these years; that from April 1,1990 to March 31, 1991, the hospital in Simpson recorded dealing with over 8000 outpatients. This year they have already seen about 6000 from April 1, 1991 to the end of February, 1992. At present, the hospital in Simpson is very under staffed. The head nurse works sometimes 18 hours a day, and she is run off her feet. We are also badly in need of equipment, and we have said that many times.

There were a lot of patients sent out because we did not have the type of equipment there that was required to deal with them. If we do not have the equipment, then the patients will be sent to Yellowknife; we have a facility there, but we do not have the resources to deal with the patients right in Simpson; so, of course, they get sent over here.

What we have been saying is what you are saying: that if we had the resources to take care of our patients in our region, then certainly the place would be more utilized. I would like the Minister to take note of what I was saying, and if the department could get back to me on this as soon as they could. I will have some written questions to you later on. Mahsi.

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I did not hear a question in that rather long statement, Mr. Antoine . Oral questions. Mr. Pudluk .

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Question O222-12(2): Funding For Baffin Divisional Board Of Education

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Education . In the past, the Baffin Divisional Board of Education had concerns regarding the funding they will be receiving. This is a big concern for the Baffin Divisional Board of Education, and there are changes being made. I would like to ask the Minister about the changes. The Baffin Divisional Board of Education is against the changes that will be made.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Canadian government has informed us that the Auditor General informed the Canadian government that the funding that is given out every three months -- they follow the policies of the Canadian government, and we were informed that we were not following the policies that were made by the Canadian government, so we were informed that the funding that is given out to the divisional boards has to be given out monthly. Starting in April, the funding will be given out monthly. Before we go about doing it in that way, we will be meeting with the divisional boards with regard to the interest dollars and how they will have to be handled. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Baffin Divisional Board of Education is putting out materials, and we are very pleased with the Inuktitut materials that were produced. I would like to know if they will be stopping them from producing materials. Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(No translation) (Translation) We will be meeting with them regarding the monthly funding that they will be receiving. For example, in the past, the Baffin Divisional Board of Education used to get $600,000 to $700,000, and that was given to the divisional board. If we are going to be giving them monthly funding - we will be speaking with them with regard to this. We will inform them on how the funding will be used and we will (No translation)

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Question O233-12(2): Funding For Baffin Divisional Board Of Education To Produce Inuktitut Materials

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) I have a question for the Minister of Education . It is on the same subject. The Baffin Divisional Board of Education was able to produce some Inuktitut books. In Yellowknife, I used to work for the Department of Education

as a program specialist for Inuktitut classes. I was responsible for producing the Inuktitut material, and it is very difficult for one person to be responsible for this. The Baffin Divisional Board of Education has produced some very good materials in Inuktitut, and they are not misusing the funds that they have. This was tried by the territorial government. He toldyou that if the funding were be given on a monthly basis, they will no longer receive the money they receive from the interest, and the Baffin Divisional Board of Education will not be able to produce such material in Inuktitut.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will try and provide funding to produce native language materials to be used in schools, in Inuktitut and other aboriginal languages such as Dene. Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Would it not be cheaper if the Baffin Divisional Board of Education produced the material instead of the territorial government?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr .Speaker. I am not quite certain if it would be cheaper for the Baffin Divisional Board of Education. For example, for the material that they can use in the Baffin Region, the Baffin Divisional Board of Education has set out a curriculum program only for the Baffin Region, and also in the Keewatin. We are going to try and work with the divisional boards on how the curriculum program can be used the best, whether it is in Yellowknife or in the different regions. I believe that the divisional boards would do their job better in places other than Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If you findout that it would be cheaper for the territorial government, or the Baffin Divisional Board of Education, to produce the material, then would they go back to the funding that they used to receive?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The funding that was given was from the interest, and it was also used for other things. I know that in the Baffin Region it was used to hire casual teachers. We will try and work with the Baffin Divisional Board of Education to produce teaching material, in the future, and on how we will be able to produce that material. I am pretty sure that they are more aware of what kind of material should be in the Baffin Region. Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was, in the event that you find it is more cost effective to be funding the divisional boards on a quarterly basis, would you consider going back to that instead of monthly payments?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, I am sorry I did not get the question before. It is the Auditor General directing the Government of the NWT to fund divisional boards by the month. It is not coming from the GNWT to fund these boards on a monthly basis. But whether it is cost effective or not, it is not up to us. We have been told that the financial arrangements that were made between our government and the federal government is that we cannot fund these boards on a quarterly basis. The cost effectiveness in funding these boards does not come into play. Thank you.

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Question 0224-12(2): Elective Birthing In Fort Simpson

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think this time I have a question that you might be able to hear. The last statement I made was to the Minister of Health , and I asked him if he could look into my concerns and he said "yes" -- off the record, I think I heard that. My question again is for the Minister of Health . In Fort Simpson we have been providing elective birthing, and to consider eliminating this service would be very unpopular.

I do not think it would necessarily be cost efficient because in 1990-91 there were 11 births in Simpson, and if you consider the expense of sending these women to Yellowknife two or three weeks prior to due date, this would accumulate expenses and could probably pay for a good portion of a doctor's or a professional midwife's wages in, Simpson. What is the government's position on elective birthing in Fort Simpson?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the referrals that the honourable Member mentioned are the opinion of the doctor who is there. I know the department has a policy that allows patients to go to the nearest service. I think in most cases what the honourable Member is referring to is something that the doctor has decided upon.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to ask the Minister the question again. What is your position on elective birthing in Fort Simpson?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether I am allowed to give my own opinion.

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I thought the Member had asked for the Minister's position as opposed to opinion. Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I am sure the matter of birthing in Fort Simpson is a matter that a doctor will have to make a decision on; it is not the Minister or this department. It is up to the doctor.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister saying that if the doctor in Fort Simpson provides the decision that birthing take place in Simpson that the birthing will take place in Simpson?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, there are probably alot of medical things I do not really understand in operating a hospital. One of them that I do know and has been expressed to me is that there is a lot of back-up that is needed on the subject. I understand they need an operating room or an operating theatre in which the birthing can take place, and in order to facilitate that they need special staff to work there, anesthetists and medical back-up, certain types of nurses and things. So I think the doctor makes that decision whether or not they can deal with a particular type of birth. I think that has to be considered. I do not think I can answer in any other way.

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Question O225-12(1): Interest Dollars Accrued By Divisional Boards Of Education

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have financial problems all over the place, and the various school board shave solved their problems by making use of interest gained on money that they get from this government to provide a service. Since the Minister has agreed that some provision can be made in the Baffin for production materials and that people in the past have been doing this by using this interest money, is he also going to make provisions for the two Yellowknife boards, who use similar kinds of moneys to fund special needs programs?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The two boards that exist in Yellowknife are a little different than that of other boards since Yellowknife is tax-based and they have their own autonomy. The school board in Yellowknife has to raise 25 per cent of their funding to operate the schools, and they have a latitude which is up to them to provide services. Generally there are programs in schools in Yellowknife that are not available in the communities which the school board has to fund within their own ability.

When it comes time to deal with divisional boards of education throughout the NWT, we will sit down with them and see how we could work things out to see that services that they have been providing, using the interest dollars, could be continued. Thank you.

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Question O226-12(2): Auditor General's Ruling On Use Of Interest Money

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

On the same subject of interest dollars, Mr. Speaker, supplementary to the Minister of Finance . For as long as I can remember the Auditor General has told us we cannot do this. What is the implication of this government's not changing things according to his direction but still continuing to allow those transfers of money so that people can use the interest money?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Auditor General is saying that there are public funds being used that have not been appropriated by this House and in that respect those public funds should have come through this House for voting. We intend to comply with the Auditor General's recommendations because as you well know, Mr. Speaker, to be responsible means that every dollar voted should go through this Legislative Assembly.

I think I made a commitment at the last session that if this was going to cause hardship to boards, then we would be willing to sit down with those boards and see what areas we are spending that money in and see if we could work it out with them. So we certainly intend to comply with the Auditor General's recommendation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O227-12(2): Expansion Of Kitikmeot Boarding Home To Accommodate Keewatin Patients

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is to the Minister responsible for Health . Can the Minister confirm or deny that negotiations are currently under way to expand the Kitikmeot boarding home to accommodate Keewatin patients, which is contrary to the Keewatin Health Board's and my own position with respect to referrals?

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Minister of Health , Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No.

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Mr. Gargan .

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Question O228-12(2): Contribution Agreements To Communities

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . What arrangements now exist between the hamlets and municipal councils with regard to contribution agreements? Are the contribution agreements giving one lump sum for the operations for one year?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I think I know the answer but I am not sure, so I think I had better take it on notice. Thank you.

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Question O229-12(2): Effect Of New Budget On Employees

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct this question to the Minister of Education . I used to be a member of the divisional board, and we used to handle the budget. We used to work on the interest rates that were coming in, and it used to help pay for the employees as well as supplying education centres with money, and it was very helpful toward the budget. For these programs to have a better operating budget, they seem to be able to handle their affairs pretty well. But now it seems that the new organization is going to be set up, the people that are working for us using the money that they had -- is the change-over of employees going to be affected by the new budget? Thank you.

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Minister of Education , Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The budget of the divisional board will be decided after consulting with the divisional board. Thank you.

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Question O230-12(2): Home Care Services, Fort Simpson

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is again to the Minister of Health . In Fort Simpson we have long-term care in the hospital. We have some elders and some people that have been hurt and are disabled, and we are concerned there, too, with the whole question of the hospital being considered for down-sizing. I wonder if you could tell me if there was any formal assessment done by your department of the resources in Simpson for the delivery of home care services.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

No, Mr. Speaker, I do not believe we are thinking of doing anything differently than we are doing now with our long-term care.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In 1985-86, there was a joint assessment project done for the Department of Health and Social Services called "The Aged, Disabled and Chronically Ill," and in there there were a number of different recommendations made to identify communities to have home care programs established. Also, there was supposed to be some development implementation of a model for a homecare program delivered in small communities. Does the Minister know if discussions have been held in this regard? Mahsi.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to be very cautious on this, and so I do not give the wrong answer I will find out the answer for the Member, so I will take the question as notice.

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Question W13-12(2): Government Housing For Sale, Fort Smith

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a written question for the Minister of Personnel . Would the Minister of Personnel provide to this House the following:

1) a list of the 49 units in Fort Smith intended for sale to government employees;

2) the length of employment of each employee who is given the opportunity to purchase or lease the units, or lease/purchase the units;

3) the location and lot numbers of each of the 49 units in Fort Smith. Thank you.

I have an additional written question for the Minister of DPW, if I may proceed. Thank you.

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Question W14-12(2): Annual Operation And Maintenance Costs, Fort Smith Regional Building

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Would the Minister of DPW provide to this House the heating and maintenance costs per year for the regional building in Fort Smith. Thank you.

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Question W15-12(2): Contributions By The Northwest Territories Development Corporation

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Would the Minister please table a list showing all contributions by the NWT Development Corporation from its inception to the present, including equity injections and purchases of companies?

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Question W16-12(2): Trip By Department Of Public Works Staff

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, I have a written question for the Minister of Public Works . Would the Minister please provide the House with a

summary of the reason for duty travel of each member of the Department of Public Works personnel who travelled from lqaluit to Broughton Island by air charter on February 24 and returned on February 25?

Mr. Speaker, I have three other written questions.

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Question W17-12(2): Trip By Department Of Education Staff

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a written question for the Minister of Education . Would the Minister

please provide the House with a

summary of the reason for duty travel of any member of the Department of Education personnel and/or Baffin Divisional Board of Education pers