Debates of Feb. 14th, 2011

This is page numbers 5763 - 5814 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was program .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 102-16(5): Film Industry Review

Status Of Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Proposed New Wildlife Act

Prevention And Health Promotion Worker In Fort Good Hope

Proposed New Wildlife Act

Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

Bompas Elementary School Playground

Proposed New Wildlife Act

Fort Resolution Daycare And Preschool Program Building

Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Reduction Of Government Red Tape For Small Business Activities

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Prevention And Health Promotion Worker In Fort Good Hope

Fort Resolution Daycare And Preschool Program Building

Proposed New Wildlife Act

Proposed New Wildlife Act

Proposed New Wildlife Act

Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

GNWT Support For Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

Reduction Of GNWT Red Tape For Small Business

GNWT Assistance For Emergency Repairs To Elders’ Housing

Proposed New Wildlife Act

Mr. Bromley’s Reply

Small High School Staffing Funding Formula

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Defer Consideration Of The Department

Summary For The Department Of Health And Social Services

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:32 p.m.

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Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In reflection of my statement and line of questioning last week in the House, the Stanton deficit is certainly a concern and great passion of mine which I fear may have gotten the best of me on that particular issue. If I offended anyone, I certainly want to make amends to the House by withdrawing any tone or individual comment that may have caused any offence. I, of course, as always, am prepared to work in the most collegial way in the House as possible and always do with that intent.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 102-16(5): Film Industry Review

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories recognizes that Northwest Territories filmmakers make positive economic and cultural impacts on our Territory. Today I would like to talk to you about the important work that we are doing with the Northwest Territories film industry to help grow this vital sector.

The Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment is working with Education, Culture and Employment to undertake a review assessing the economic prospects of the film industry, investigating establishment of an independent film commission and possible programs that would support the film industry.

The review process is part of a two-step plan. The aim of the review is to explore the costs and benefits of programs to support the Northwest Territories film industry in our current fiscal environment and research options for support

programs for the Northwest Territories film industry and a delivery model for those programs.

The second part of this project will involve consultation with the players in the Northwest Territories film industry to explore those options and develop recommendations for support to the industry. It is anticipated this workshop will take place within the next month and will provide the Government of the Northwest Territories with an opportunity to present findings from the review and discuss and explore options together with those people involved in the Northwest Territories film industry.

Industry, Tourism and Investment currently provides support to Northwest Territories businesses, including those involved in film production through its Support to Entrepreneurs and Economic Development Policy. Education, Culture and Employment provides support to the film industry through the Northwest Territories Arts Council and northern film and media arts contributions programs.

This project will allow us to explore other possible options that support the Northwest Territories film industry. We already know that brilliant filmmakers are at work throughout the Northwest Territories creating memorable films that use our rugged landscape and vibrant cultural essence of the Northwest Territories as a backdrop. Yellowknife-based production company Black Swan Films recently screened “A Song for the Dead,” which was filmed at Prosperous Lake. I am pleased to say Industry, Tourism and Investment helped to fund this film through its Support to Entrepreneurs and Economic Development (SEED) Policy.

The 4th Annual Yellowknife Film Festival that just

concluded this past weekend is also a great example of success in northern film and video.

We know that people are interested in filming in the North and watching film and television shows filmed and produced in the North. Just look at the popularity of Northwest Territories Ice Pilots, which has now moved into its second season of production. We also had crews in the North to film a Tropicana orange juice commercial under Inuvik’s arctic sun. This commercial won multiple awards, including the prestigious Gold Lion in the film category at the Cannes Lions International

Advertising Festival, which is widely regarded as the most prestigious awards festival in the world.

Also, with the interest generated in the Northwest Territories through our Northern House at the Vancouver Olympics, we can only expect that interest in the Northwest Territories film industry will grow even more.

Mr. Speaker, we all want an economy that is diversified and one that provides all communities and regions with opportunities and choices. Supporting programming for the Northwest Territories film industry is one way to maximize opportunities and support economic diversification of the Northwest Territories, which is a key goal of this Assembly.

I look forward to the results of the review and I am confident that by working with those closely involved with the Northwest Territories film industry we will find the best ways to show our support for this important industry. We will be tabling a final report on the review of the Northwest Territories film industry during the May session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 102-16(5): Film Industry Review

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Status Of Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to speak today about the status of the sterilization equipment located at Stanton Territorial Hospital.

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to get an understanding from the Minister today as to what is happening with surgeries at Stanton Hospital. I’ve heard that over the past three weeks, with the exception of emergency surgeries, all surgeries have been cancelled. Mr. Speaker, there is also the issue of infection rates in post-operative patients at Stanton. Has there been an increase in infection rates at that hospital? Why have surgeries been cancelled the last three weeks?

The equipment used to sterilize surgical instruments is located in the CSR, or reprocessing unit at that hospital. I understand that currently there are technicians working on the equipment. I’d like to know when the hospital became aware of the problems with the equipment and why have they shut them down. Is it a coincidence that post-operative infections are increasing just when it seems the equipment requires servicing? Has public health been put at risk, Mr. Speaker?

It would appear that patients who get a post-operative infection are being told it’s their fault,

when just down the hall the same surgery, the same day, has the same infection. Again, is this all one big coincidence or do we have some serious issues with our sterilization equipment at that hospital?

If our operating rooms have been cancelling surgeries over the past three weeks, is it not going to have a negative impact on patients awaiting necessary surgery? What about the staff and the operational costs, all of which will increase due to the cancellations? Mr. Speaker, these have got to be piling up. I’d like to ask the Minister a number of questions today during question period regarding this issue. Thank you.

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Status Of Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Proposed New Wildlife Act

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Draft amendments to the Wildlife Act are not there yet. It has been a long road, and a pressing need to update the act into the legal reality of today is clear. The draft bill does go some distance towards recognizing Aboriginal and treaty rights but fails on our additional responsibility for bringing those without these rights into a cooperative management future.

As I have said repeatedly, whole management is the only approach that will work, but workable whole management requires that this bill also provides for wildlife users without Aboriginal and treaty rights to be directly engaged in the process. While the legal makeup of advisory and management boards may omit wildlife users without Aboriginal and treaty rights, that does not preclude a direct and funded role for them and advising government representatives who are at the table. The difficulty lies in the fact that government representatives must represent all people, including those with Aboriginal rights.

And thus they have an inherent conflict of interest. Unless those without treaty rights have a clear mechanism for participation and debate, our solutions can only produce the failed management practices, discord and resistance that now prevail.

Another key issue is recognition of the legal fact that priority rights do not mean exclusive rights. Few, if any, would debate the recognition of priority access for those with Aboriginal and treaty rights over residents and then commercial interests. Case law indicates that while Aboriginal harvesters have pre-eminent rights of harvesting, that does not mean completely excluding allocation for users without Aboriginal and treaty rights.

Mr. Speaker, you have heard me speak out many times on behalf of Aboriginal and treaty rights holders. I am extremely pleased to see this draft

legislation making significant progress in recognizing those rights, but we have a responsibility for maximizing the use and enjoyment of our wildlife for all our people within the provisions for recognition of Aboriginal and treaty rights. To achieve this, we need to conduct and fund consultation for all users and provide all users with a meaningful mechanism for direct participation in wildlife management. Conservation is most supported by those who use the resource. Working together requires providing a real opportunity to engage.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Working together requires providing a real opportunity to engage. Failure will lead to bad management decisions and embittered agendas for years to come. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Prevention And Health Promotion Worker In Fort Good Hope

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to speak in support of a request from the community of Fort Good Hope that the government reinstates the position for prevention and health promotion worker in the community.

Chief Arthur Tobac, the chief of K’ahsho Got’ine Band, believes that the lack of programs and services to support parents and young people in Fort Good Hope is holding the students back. He was very appreciative of the leadership taken by the Culture and Education department Minister at the Minister’s forum on Aboriginal achievement and education and at the Department of Health and Social Services community meetings. The community was encouraged by the consultation. Representing his community, Chief Tobac recommended the reinstatement of a prevention and health promotion worker who would be hired specifically to focus on helping the youth deal with alcohol and drug dependencies.

The prevention and health promotion worker could help youth keep on track and help them find alternatives to alcohol and drug use. Discovering healthy alternatives is the means to personal healing that gives the youth confidence and the energy for these youth to have more self-worth or are more likely to fit in at school and get involved in their studies. These students learn more, increase their skills and knowledge, feel better about themselves and are more likely to complete high school and further their education.

I think Fort Good Hope is on the right track, Mr. Speaker, in their request to hire their own prevention and community health promotion worker who can focus on creating a healthier environment for the student population. We want to help the youth actively engage in learning at school and at home, and they need help, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the chief says our youth are our future. Let’s start investing in our youth and in their future by helping them put together a community solution that they’re proposing to this government. Will this government stand up and listen and support the Fort Good Hope initiative to hire a prevention and health promotion worker? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Proposed New Wildlife Act

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On February 2nd I made a Member’s statement

outlining concerns I received about the most recent public consultation process that the Department of Environment and Natural Resources has been conducting on the proposed Wildlife Act.

There is concern that these consultations are not really being conducted to get input on the proposed changes but rather to inform the people on what the department is planning to put before this Legislature. Many participants have the feeling that their concerns about the content is being ignored and that only token or administrative changes are being considered by ENR, so no real or substantive changes will result from these current public consultation sessions, which started in November, then over Christmas and ended in mid-January.

Mr. Speaker, on February 2nd I asked the Minister

some clear questions. I was trying to get the Minister to provide constituents across the Northwest Territories with some confidence that their voices and input have been seriously considered during this most recent round of consultation; specifically, the voices of the non-Aboriginal hunters, the Akaitcho and the Dehcho, whose only input into the proposed and final act come as a result of the really important public consultations.

Mr. Speaker, I was very frustrated by the Minister’s response to my questions. Rather than answer my questions, the Minister, in my opinion, danced a dance of deflection. Rather than answer these important questions he challenged the credibility of the NWT Wildlife Federation, accused me of egregious behaviour, made continual reference to 54 drafts, but wouldn’t confirm how many of these drafts have been done after the current

consultations. And when pressed for examples of how ENR would be incorporating input heard from the residents during these most recent rounds of consultations, the Minister provided examples of clauses that were already included in the proposed act, items that have not been changed since the current round of public consultations.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, consultations have been going on for over 10 years. Unfortunately none of these consultations included the distribution of the current departmental draft and only this last round of consultation included the plain language

summary. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the drafting of this proposed legislation recognized treaty and Aboriginal rights. Some Aboriginal governments participated in the drafting. This is a unique and respectful practice which needs to be applauded. However, we are still a public government and the voices of all our residents must be heard and acknowledged.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, a lot of good work has been done. However, one would think that the Minister would want

an act of this importance to be as near perfect as possible before putting it in front of this House.

If the Minister can’t demonstrate that this most recent and final round of public consultation has had meaningful impact...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Abernethy , your time for your Member’s statement has expired.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Minister can’t demonstrate this most recent and final round of public consultations had meaningful impact on the final draft and that no substantive changes are being considered as a result, I suggest that this act is not ready to be put before this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Darnley Bay project in Paulatuk, Mr. Speaker, is approaching another drilling season. All across the Northwest Territories, communities such as Paulatuk are one step closer to seeing a fully operating diamond mine near the community in similar projects. This project has experienced some slowdown due to the global economy.

Fortunately this project has once again built some momentum and financing and is moving this forward. Recently the Canadian Northern Economic

Development Agency invested $485,000 to help the Paulatuk Development Corporation in purchasing moveable exploration camps, which could be used at the mine site with the exploration companies.

Darnley Bay Resources Limited and Diadem and the contractor or geoscientists are currently active in searching for diamonds and base metals near the community of Paulatuk. This camp will consist of a 20-person moveable camp, complete with a camp manager, cook, First Aid attendant and camp staff who look forward to all the operations and logistics.

Darnley Bay Resources Limited is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange and is preparing for the 2011 exploration drilling season for the diamonds and base metals, with two drilling campaigns planned. According to their spokesperson we’ve been speaking to, they’re hiring many local people from the community. The result of their recent finding is another indicator of a promising future for this project.

As the project moves forward, many organizations and groups want to see people from Paulatuk get meaningful employment and to participate and benefit economically, not just with low-wage jobs but with positions such as drillers and geologists, managers and environmental monitors. Construction companies could be used to build the site and camp catering companies could be used to provide a wide range of services.

This project is an excellent opportunity for a small, remote community such as Paulatuk to create and build real capacity in all areas of the local economy. I will have questions for the Minister of ITI at the appropriate time.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Bompas Elementary School Playground

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Last October at a public meeting in Fort Simpson with the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment in attendance, parents raised concerns about Bompas Elementary School playground. The old playground was pressure-treated wood and had to be removed for safety reasons. The play area designated for kindergarten and grade 1 children is equipped, but the area designated for grade 2 and 3 is empty. The area designated for grade 4, 5 and 6 has only a few structures that are in rough shape. This is a bad situation.

As we all know, the importance of physical activity for children’s health, having safe environment for kids in the fresh air goes a long ways towards

keeping them happy. The Fort Simpson’s group Parents for Playgrounds, which also includes teachers, has estimated that the total cost of a new playground is about $60,000 and they have been fundraising and making requests for corporate donations. Their goal is to raise $30,000.

I’m really impressed with the parents’ and teachers’ dedication to make sure that children in Fort Simpson have play equipment that will be used for years to come.

Recently Fort Liard raised funds to replace playground equipment that was falling to pieces and ECE matched the funds raised, providing the assistance through the district education authority. This is encouraging to the parents group and they’re working hard towards their goal of replacing the playground equipment.

The group Parents for Playgrounds is asking the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment for the same assistance. I wholeheartedly support this request. They are working closely with the district education authority and the Dehcho Divisional Council. They do need more support. I look forward to the Minister confirming he will provide funding for the playground equipment at the Bompas Elementary School.

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Bompas Elementary School Playground

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Proposed New Wildlife Act

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This past December and January I attended public meetings for consultations on the Wildlife Act. The presentations were excellent and thorough but I came away with concerns for the act; concerns that were strengthened by submissions by a number of NWT organizations.

I want to start by saying that I appreciate the efforts of the Minister and the staff of the Department of Environment and Natural Resources for their work in the development of the act over these lo many years and for the presentations and consultations that are recently concluded.

I will not comment on the consultation process. The Minister has heard people’s concerns about that already. I do have to comment on the act, in light of what I’m hearing from constituents.

The new Wildlife Act is long overdue but the draft act, as presented during the recent consultation process, is not ready for first reading without some amendments. Firstly, there are a couple of requirements in the act which will force airlines to contravene Transport Canada regulations, and that they cannot do.

Secondly, I have major concerns with the proposed membership of the Conference of Management

Authorities. We’re told that any interested non-Aboriginal residents are represented by the GNWT, but in reality that’s not adequate. We’re told that the conference membership must be limited to agencies who have a legal responsibility for wildlife management, but if that must be, then identify several ex-officio, non-voting members from interested organizations: the Chamber of Mines, or Chamber of Commerce, or the NWT Wildlife Federation, for instance. We must be inclusive as a government and we must be seen to be inclusive.

Thirdly, NWT businesses are concerned about the powers identified in the act to establish conservation areas, particularly the mining companies. There is little in the act that speaks to an NWT that protects and manages wildlife and also allows and encourages economic development. There must be language added to the act which expresses the philosophy of sustainable development.

Lastly, many, many people have indicated their concern with the unidentified content of some 250 or more regulations that will govern the new act. The department must be more forthcoming about the content of these numerous regulations.

I’m heartened by the assurances given to Members at a recent briefing on the act. What I heard is that a number of changes will be made to the draft act prior to its presentation to the House and I commend the Minister and his staff for recognizing that change was needed. It is imperative that the department’s response to the consultation be shared with everyone who submitted comments, with the general public, prior to the first reading of the act.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Fort Resolution Daycare And Preschool Program Building

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

In Fort Resolution there is a daycare and a preschool program. These programs are much needed and appreciated. The main problem is the building that houses the daycare and preschool is an old 1960s trailer that was moved to Fort Resolution from Little Buffalo Junction. At this time the building needs a new roof, a new furnace and many other minor repairs, and about 300 to 400 square feet because it’s too small to accommodate the community’s preschool needs.

I believe this building is beyond economical repair, once the expansion is added to the cost of renovations. More space is needed to accommodate the kids who will be going into kindergarten next year. Right now the space will

only allow for five preschool students and the need right now is at least 12. The additional students cannot even be added if the space was found, because the preschool would need a half-day teacher to accommodate the students going into kindergarten in September.

The teachers tell me that students in kindergarten are far more ready for kindergarten if they were attending preschool. They are considerably ahead of the other students that are coming straight into kindergarten without any preschool experience.

Preschool and daycare appear to be the first pieces of the puzzle of education. It is very, very important and almost essential in small communities where the overall education levels are lower than average. We need to support daycare and preschool programs.

I’ll be asking the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to look into providing new space for the daycare and a preschool teacher, at the appropriate time.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This weekend I had occasion to speak to a friend who is a long-time Northerner. She said to me, “Jane, what’s devolution?” Simple question. I said, “Simply, it’s the turning over of federal responsibility for the management of Crown lands and natural resources on and under those lands, and the transfer of decision-making from federal politicians, bureaucrats and federally appointed boards to Northerners. It’s about transferring the jobs associated with those responsibilities to the North. It’s also about sharing a portion of the royalties for the extraction of those resources to northern governments.” Then she said, “So why are the chiefs not on board?”

Now, I would not stand here in this House today and purport to speak for the chiefs of the Northwest Territories, but I told her that I believed to some extent it has to do with what is considered to be a fair share of those royalties for Aboriginal governments.

In this dialogue about this devolution and resource revenue sharing I have heard it said by some leaders that this government is not our government. In a Territory of 42,000 people, where we as leaders are called upon to deliver programs and services to all of our people, I don’t know how many governments we need to deliver health or education or social services.

May I suggest that no matter who you are in the Northwest Territories, when you pull up to the door

of the Stanton Territorial Hospital in the middle of the night with a sick child, this is your government. The government will come for you in so many ways as a Northerner. I don’t know how many more governments at which levels we can afford to have.

We elect representatives from all over this Northwest Territories. I never understand how, when they cross the threshold of this door, there’s a perception that now they’re on an opposing team. We’re all leaders. We’re all here for the same reason. We’re all here for the benefit of the people that we serve.

It’s particularly, if I might say, interesting when people who have served in this House for many years say this is not their government, because it is their government on the day they pick up their pension cheques, I’m sure.

How long will we lose the struggle with Canada for northern control and benefit of northern resources by default? What is it going to take to bring unity of northern leadership for the benefit of northern people? If our government has created distrust of our government by failing to equally and fairly consider the needs of all Northerners outside of the capital, then it’s high time that this culture of centralization does change.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Please, for the benefit of the economies and the common sense of working together for the benefit of Northerners, let’s seriously listen to each other and let’s see where a unified voice for the North can take us.

All the best to the Premier as he goes out to the regions in the next weeks and months to have that dialogue with Northerners.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Reduction Of Government Red Tape For Small Business Activities

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to return to a topic I have raised in this House before which continues to be of great concern to me. It’s a matter of government red tape and how frustrating and problematic it is for small business. It’s nothing but a roadblock and a burden on our industry.

Red tape restricts small business activities, creates more paperwork and leads to frustration. Of course, we all recognize the need for regulatory regulations and reporting, but there must be clear and reasonable requirements. I also empathize with small business owners and employees who must

deal with the bureaucratic tangling of paper, which certainly is a tricky web that’s been weaved.

In a recent report, the Canadian Federation of Independent Business found that 73 percent of its members reported that regulations cause significant stress, and 26 percent -- that’s one in four business owners -- say they might not have gone into business had they known about all the paperwork and requirements in the regulations they are faced with. Last year CFIB identified the Northwest Territories was lagging behind every other jurisdiction in Canada. They often raise this as a particular issue that needs to be addressed by this government.

Consider some examples: business costs of negotiating the regulatory process and exploration of mining, the records that small airlines may be required to complete for non-scheduled flights for hunters and fishers, for the transportation of wildlife. Many businesses, such as liquor stores, must provide extensive documentation for their operations and many times they ask me: what’s the point of this? Just to keep someone employed?

In 2010, British Columbia, Manitoba and Saskatchewan have been noted for their hard work leading the response by the call of business to address the burdensome paperwork. Last month at CFIB’s Second Annual Red Tape Awareness Week the Prime Minister of Canada announced the creation of a Red Tap Reduction Commission. It’s hard to believe, but even Ottawa gets it.

The reality here is the GNWT needs to follow the lead of other jurisdictions and reach out to our northern businesses, our true economy of our North, and ensure that we get their values on how to deal with the red tape burden that’s being put on them. They want to be involved, they want to report, but a lot of times they find it a waste of time and pointless. Let’s ensure our businesses are busy making money and not filling out useless government paperwork.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention in the gallery to some special visitors today. We have 10 young women and men who are visiting us for a few days from the Ontario Legislature Internship Program. They are here to observe consensus government in action. I may want to encourage Members to be on their best behaviour today.

I would like to recognize Byran Bossis, Melissa Cernigoy, Natalie Desimini, Thomas Maidwell, Katherine Preiss, Erica Rayment, Michael Smith,

Charles Thompson, Sasha Tregebov and Lisa Marie Williams. On behalf of all Members of the Legislative Assembly, may I extend a warm welcome to the Northwest Territories and to our Chamber.

Also, colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the visitor’s gallery to our Conflict of Interest Commissioner, Gerry Gerrand, in the House today.

The honourable Member for Monfwi , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize Aurora College students currently enrolled in the Introduction to Government class here in Yellowknife. The students are: Tuan Tran, Nichelle Hernblad, Delores Lacorne, Arisa Komi, Sean Erasmus, Warren Mpofu, Karen Horn, and also the instructor, Arthur Osborne. Welcome.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased to welcome and recognize a Grade 6 Intense French class from Range Lake North School, who are here to watch consensus government in action.

I’d like to recognize, with the indulgence of the House, each one of them: Viktor Hugo Antolin Gutierrez, Julienne Apaga, Carson Asmundson, Taylor Beck, Erika Callahan, Emma Cameron, Advent Joshua Cruz, Brady Daniels, Sarah DuPlessis, Tori Forsbloom, Hannah Fowler, Hayley Gibson, Daniel Guardado, Michelle Lee -- who is also my niece, Jasmine Li, Tatianna Lim, Iain MacKay, Melissa MacLellan, Angus Martin, Taltson McQueen, Ashley Peddle, Kirsten Peterson, Dylan Roesch, Matthew Slade, Ashley Stride, Anika von Allmen, Sean Ward, Andrew Young, and the teacher, Ms. Jodie Lee. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s an honour for me today to welcome Ms. Christine Falardeau. Her husband, Martin Falardeau, is a ranger instructor with Joint Task Force North. I know she’s a part of the teaching staff at Range Lake North School. Thank you for coming. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you. I’d like to recognize a friend, Delores Lacorne.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . If we’ve missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the Chamber. We hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. It’s always nice to have an audience in here.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 436-16(5): Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have questions today for the Minister of Health and Social Services , getting back to my Member’s statement where I talked about the status of the sterilization equipment located at Stanton Hospital. This equipment is used to sterilize surgical instruments for performance in the operating room. I’d like to ask the Minister, if I can begin by asking her what the current status of the sterilization equipment is that’s required to sterilize these instruments at that hospital.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 436-16(5): Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to thank the Member for the question. Mr. Speaker, I can advise you that Stanton has identified three definite and two possible post-surgical site infections. In June a quality audit of all processes from the CSR to patient care units was conducted to ensure that Stanton was following best practices. Dr. Kandola, chief public health officer, reviewed the audit and has endorsed the practices Stanton has followed. Surgical site infections are a risk for all surgeries.

I can also advise the House that Stanton’s SSI rate has been within the national average of 3 percent over the last number of years. Mr. Speaker, the staff and the management of the authority are on top of this issue. Thank you.

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Question 436-16(5): Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, June was eight months ago. I’m wondering, if I could, to the Minister: when did the hospital become aware of the deficiencies with that equipment and once the deficiencies were found, were operations still conducted, were surgeries still conducted at that hospital in light of the findings of that report in June? Thank you.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Infection control and the review of incidents of infections is a part of the regular business in running a hospital. Our hospital keeps up with all of the national standards and they are engaged in constant review. Mr. Speaker, the management are in touch with what is happening at the hospital and they take action as it becomes necessary. I can also advise the Member, following on his Member’s statement, there are restricted numbers of surgeries being conducted at the

hospital because they are waiting for parts for their surgical sterilization equipment. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, if they’re waiting for parts, I’m just wondering how long has this been going on for. My understanding is it’s been three weeks that surgeries have been cancelled at that hospital and only emergency surgeries are being performed. I’d like to ask the Minister how long has this been going on. I will wait and ask another question after that. Thank you.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, we should be aware that surgeons and the staff can organize and cancel surgeries at any time if they have any concern with the scheduling or the equipment or any of the procedures. I think it’s important for everybody to know that all the procedures followed are the ones that are accepted nationally. We don’t have any more infection incidents than any other parts of the country. We are, in fact, below the national standard. All instruments used in the OR meet current Canadian Standards Association standards for sterilization.

Mr. Speaker, the decisions they make about reorganizing schedules and cancelling surgeries as required, the staff make those decisions all the time. I need to make sure that the people are aware that the authority is aware of this, the surgeons are aware of this, management is aware of this. They’re taking all appropriate actions and while we are working to address this issue, we should not be causing undue alarm. Thank you.

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Question 436-16(5): Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Your final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It sounds like surgeries are being cancelled because the hospital is waiting for parts. I’d like to think it has nothing to do with increased rates of post-operative infection, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask the Minister: have we seen an increase in post-operative infections at that hospital going back the last four months? Thank you.

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Question 436-16(5): Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

As I stated earlier, we’ve had three definite infections and two possible other infections. Infection control in hospital settings is an increasing concern nationally. It is a discussion that all of the health care professionals are engaged in. This could break out at any time and the important thing is that we have the confidence in the staff that we have, that they are equipped and qualified and knowledgeable to address that. The public health officer has reviewed the process and we are meeting all national guidelines. Thank you.

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Question 436-16(5): Sterilization Equipment At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 437-16(5): Prevention And Health Promotion Worker In Fort Good Hope

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services a question on the proposal by Fort Good Hope in terms of the proposal that they put forward on a prevention and health promotion worker in Fort Good Hope. The Minister and I had a visit to Fort Good Hope. The proposal was drafted and given to her and the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I want to ask the Minister what is the status in terms of that proposal.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Member’s question. As he stated, we did visit the community. We had a good discussion with the chief and we also met in my office as a follow-up visit.

Mr. Speaker, we have responded to Chief Arthur Tobac on his proposal. We are interested in discussing with the community his proposal. Our staff has been directed to engage in a dialogue. Thank you.

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Question 437-16(5): Prevention And Health Promotion Worker In Fort Good Hope

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister inform the House as to when the position will be recruited and hired for Fort Good Hope?

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, I don’t have that information right now, but the position is vacant, as the Member is aware. The community has different ideas on how to address community wellness issues. I am open to that proposal. We have written to the chief that we would like to take it to the next level and work with the local leadership along with Sahtu Health Authority. I am very interested in seeing this through. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 437-16(5): Prevention And Health Promotion Worker In Fort Good Hope

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister inform the House, inform the people in Fort Good Hope -- we have about eight months left in this government -- what does she mean by seeing it through? When are we going to have an actual person hired in the community rather than having a discussion? I think the people clearly know what they want. When can the government come up and support the community?

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, as the Member knows, the chief has given us a proposal. They have very different ideas, not different ideas but a new idea of making this position work for them. He has asked us to work together jointly in rewriting the job description and hiring. Those are the ideas that I am interested in working with the chief. We also met with a gentleman who is very interested in taking on this work for the community, who is from the community and who lives there.

Mr. Speaker, the timeline is the spring. I would like to, I don’t know... What is spring in the Northwest Territories? March or April? I would like to work through this in March and in April. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 437-16(5): Prevention And Health Promotion Worker In Fort Good Hope

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 437-16(5): Prevention And Health Promotion Worker In Fort Good Hope

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister in terms of the timelines. It is usually about springtime, I guess, and hoping that by then can I get a commitment from this Minister that we would have a person in Fort Good Hope that is hired and working in the community to help with the youth on their issues and work with the families.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, we do have a set process on hiring and job description and such that is actually within the mandate of HR. For me, for now, what I want to indicate to the Member and the local leadership in Fort Good Hope is that I like the idea that they are proposing. I would like to see how we can work together to make that happen, because we need to agree on the proposal, agree on the sort of job description and what it is that we are expecting this new position to do. It is about doing things differently within the resources we have. But, so far, I am very interested in pursuing that proposal. I am afraid I can’t give you an exact timeline, because that is a different process. Thank you.

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Question 437-16(5): Prevention And Health Promotion Worker In Fort Good Hope

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 438-16(5): Fort Resolution Daycare And Preschool Program Building

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I talked about the needs of daycare and preschool in Fort Resolution. I have questions for the Minister of Education .

Mr. Speaker, on an interim basis, can the Minister direct the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to provide some emergency funding for immediate repairs that are needed to the daycare and the preschool in Fort Resolution? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 438-16(5): Fort Resolution Daycare And Preschool Program Building

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 438-16(5): Fort Resolution Daycare And Preschool Program Building

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. There is funding allocated to the communities that have early childhood programs or daycares. There is funding such as funding for equipment and material purchases that the Member may have alluded to in that area, and also funding for other areas such as mortgage expense or rental expense on the premises that are not owned by the GNWT, but I need to work with the Member on the

specifics on that particular situation in his community. We also need to work with the local DEA, as well, as we move forward on this particular matter. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, if additional space in the current daycare preschool can’t be obtained, whether it is an addition or some internal renovations, will the Minister work with the local district authority to find some temporary space for the community so that these kids can go to preschool prior to going to kindergarten in September? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, those are areas that we need to identify within a community. There are other reviews that have been undertaken as well. They could capture that. It may have captured it in the past or not, but child daycare standards regulations does come early this year or next year. Also, the Member is referring to a temporary placement. Those are the areas that my department, ECE, needs to work with the DEA and also the Member identifying those matters at hand. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, will the Minister consider directing his department to try to provide some O and M funding to the community, whether it be through the DEA or through the band, to provide funding for the preschool to hire a half-time student to accommodate the additional that have to go through preschool prior to kindergarten? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, I will commit to working with the Member and also the DEA. At the same time, there is the Early Childhood Program for start-up and also contribution funding that is available to those individual organizations. We need to deal with the matter, the detailed information that the Member is referring to. If I can get that information, I am willing to work with that and also with the DEA through my department. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure if I said a half-time student but I think I meant a half-time teacher.

Mr. Speaker, earlier he talked about buildings that don’t belong to the GNWT. Would the Minister look at Education, Culture and Employment’s infrastructure plan to add funding to build a new building to house daycare and preschool in Fort Resolution? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, through this early childhood programming, we provide funding for programming. Not only that, but a portion of mortgage and also rental expenses for providers that operate on the premises and also Early Childhood Program that consists of start-up

and operation costs. Those are the funds that we provide currently through the ECE department. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 439-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . I want to follow up on my Member’s statement.

The good management of any issues requires the balanced input of all stakeholders. With wildlife, this is at least, if not more, critical than in most areas, because it is a very limited resource that is vulnerable, as we know, to overexploitation. Those with Aboriginal and treaty rights are squarely at the management table, with representatives comprising half of management board members while those without these rights have only representatives that represent both rights holders and non-rights holders. What can the Minister do to provide mechanisms to resolve this critical gap? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 439-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’ve heard the concern. There are some options that are out there in terms of ex-officio members, observers; as well, the GNWT will have two to three seats available, of which in any given time we can bring stakeholders to the table, depending on the issue being discussed. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. I’m assuming that the Minister means by any of those issues and what’s appropriate here that when we’re talking about the use and enjoyment of wildlife, there would be everybody at the table. Their recent wildlife management controversies and failures demonstrate a lack of early and critical input to the process.

Debate, even when perhaps overly enthusiastic and a bit rancorous and extreme, provides an important role in society’s ability to arrive at good decisions that recognize and respond to the rights of all. This is particularly true when the legislation is abundant and complex. How will the Minister ensure that mechanisms are both identified in the legislation and funded to ensure this key debate helps form the backbone of the management process?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. As Minister of Finance I caught the keyword of “funded.” The issue is going to be to address, through the management, the conference process to see and make sure that everybody is represented. As a public government, the

Government of the Northwest Territories, we are charged with representing the interests of Northerners at that table as well. There are options to make sure we have representation from non-Aboriginal harvesters and, we believe, mechanisms to do that. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. I appreciate the openness and commitments of the Minister here and I guess I would ask him that he commit to even further discussions on this outside the House. But what will the Minister do to ensure that the

interpretation of the legislation goes the distance to consider and meet government responsibility to provide for all citizens the opportunity to use and enjoy wildlife? I’m thinking here of, for example, the

interpretation of priority access to mean exclusive access. Case law clearly has indicated that’s not the case and we’re talking

interpretation of the legislation. Thank you.

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Question 439-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. The bill, when it comes forward for first and second reading, will be as complete as possible. It will have been amended numerous times. We’ve fully briefed committee on this. We laid out all the very many changes that have been made based on a lot of the feedback that we have received from groups and individuals from across the North, outside of the North, from business, from industry, from the airlines. So we’re going to bring forward a bill that will be there to be further viewed by committee through a consultation process.

We’ll look to advice that comes back from that process to see if there are any final amendments that need to be made before it comes into the House, hopefully by no later than August, for third reading.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Your final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the Minister for those remarks. Certainly the caribou population, and with what we’ve been through recently and are going through, are a big and tough challenge. Will the Minister be providing an analysis of how our systems broke down and led to such failure, including the failure to a reliable measure harvest, a basic management parameter for wildlife management, and how this will be addressed in the Wildlife Act? Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. I don’t know if I would agree with the assessment that there was a breakdown of our systems. We definitely know that there was a decline in the various caribou herds.

We will address some of that through the Wildlife Act. The vehicle that will probably provide a better form for that is going to be the Barren Ground Management Strategy that’s coming forward and the need in this part of the country to look at a multiparty board or arrangement to look after the number of herds that are in this part of the country.

Go from east to west with the Beverly Qamanirjuaq, the Ahiak, the Bathurst and the Bluenose East, which as well extends north all the way up to Inuvialuit area. So it is a very complex undertaking, be it one of the big issues, of course, is to make sure we have sufficient funds to do the constant survey work that is required and that we can’t afford to wait for decades to do this. We need to, as we have been doing for the last many years now, come up with a plan and funding to do all the herds so that we have a very good baseline information that will allow us to better track what’s happening in terms of the health of the herds. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions as well today are addressed to the Minister for Environment and Natural Resources and I want to follow up on my statement.

I mentioned a number of concerns that I’ve heard from constituents with regard to the draft Wildlife Act. I’d like to ask the Minister first off, he mentioned, I believe it was last week, that he was on draft number 54 of the act. I’d like to know what draft number we’re on now, and as a result of that, what changes have been made to the draft act as a direct result of concerns expressed during the consultation process. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we’re about draft 56, and I have a list here, Mr. Speaker, it’s a request for technical detail. The committee was fully briefed; the Member was fully briefed last week. We gave a good overview of the changes that have been made and there are numerous, and in an attempt to be as responsive as possible and still maintain the integrity of the bill. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I appreciate that at least we’ve made some changes since last week. That’s a good thing, but I am concerned that the people that made submissions, the people that have concerns... For instance, I heard concerns from air carriers, I heard concerns from individuals, I heard concerns from organizations. How will those people and their questions be advised of the changes that have occurred to date? How will their questions which they posed during the consultation process be answered, and how will that information and the answers to all these questions and concerns also be made available to the public? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. As I’ve indicated in this House previously, the proof will be in the pudding, as it were, as we come forward with a draft or the bill for first and second reading that will lay out the result of all that work, all the many iterations, the improvements, amendments and adjustments that have been made and are currently being finalized so that that fact can happen. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

To the Minister, I appreciate that the changes will be made in the act and that the act will come forward, but at the consultations that I attended there were specific questions from individuals and organizations and there were assurances to those people and those organizations that their questions would be answered, that they would be advised of answers to their questions. So again I ask the Minister, will people be answered? Will the questions that people asked be answered not in the act but in a letter, in an e-mail? We owe it to the people that made presentations and asked questions to give them an answer. So will that be done in a concrete manner apart from the act? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. I’ll talk to the department about a concrete response outside of the act.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Your final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that the Minister is willing to talk to his department. That’s always a good thing. I would like to know from the Minister if he expects that this will be a public document or will it be an individual response to the people who asked the questions. I think, in my mind, the public is also owed these answers, not just individuals. When can we see this?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

If there were public meetings, we’ll have to see the best forum to respond. There were public meetings held in every community. As well, there have been e-mails and representations by individual groups and individuals themselves. We’ll have to see what the most effective way is to publicize this. Unless the Member is suggesting somehow that we do a blanket response to everybody and maybe publish in the paper or some such thing, I’m not sure what the Member has in mind.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are in follow-up to my Member’s statement and are related to the consultation

process currently, or just finished, with the Wildlife Act.

Public consultations are an important tool to the GNWT. They allow us to go out and meet with our constituents and residents of the Northwest Territories and hear what they have to say and allow them input into our important acts and legislational programs. Could the Minister tell me -- and he started to go down this road a little bit -- how he intends to provide some comfort to those groups that feel that their voice was not heard during these consultation processes?

Yes, I participated in the briefing and I heard some of the things that they're planning to do with respect to the act, but I’m only one person. We’re 11 on this side. The public need to hear it as well. What is the Minister doing to restore some of the confidence of those people that their voices are being heard?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, I don’t necessarily agree with the Member in terms of the restoring of confidence. There was a very public, long-term process, very expensive and exhaustive, and we will demonstrate that we’ve been listening, when you look at the bill. That’s the comfort that we’re going to provide people. Not everybody will be happy. This is a consultative process. We’re a consensus government. There’s lots of compromise, but this bill, compared to the bill that is currently there -- 32 years old -- is going to be a huge improvement. It’s long overdue.

It’s going to reflect, finally, our obligation under land claims and self-government agreements. It’s going to reflect that we’ve been listening to the concerns from Northerners in all areas. Things like the residency clause; that is where it’s going to be reflected and that’s where people should be looking.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I’d like to thank the Minister for that response. There are other obligations to the ones he’s referring to here today. We have an obligation to all the residents in the Northwest Territories, including the non-Aboriginal hunters who don’t feel that they have a voice in this act.

I know the Minister’s department went out and met with different groups. I’m asking the Minister what he’s going to do, or have his department do, to restore some of the confidence to those people that their voices have been heard. If the department has made changes based on what these groups have said, let’s stand up and say what those changes are. Let’s demonstrate that his department did listen to the people of the Northwest Territories. That’s what I’m asking. Can he give us some examples that demonstrate that he heard the people of the Northwest Territories, in particular the

non-Aboriginal hunters who did not participate in the drafting of this act?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I’d qualify that in terms of some non-Aboriginal hunters and they were represented very ably by the Government of the Northwest Territories. If the Member will wait until the first part of March for when we come in with the bill for first and second reading, then we’ll lay out all the work that’s been done, all the amendments that have been made in response to the feedback we’ve received.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Obviously we have a difference of opinion. I feel that it’s important to give some people a heads up before we drop this act in front of them. I feel that it’s important that the department or, rather, the Minister before he places

an act in front of us is sure that everybody’s voice has been heard.

Over the 56 versions in the 17 years of developing this act I wonder if the Minister could tell me how much has been spent in consulting each of the two communities, the Aboriginal and treaty rights holders and those without these rights. Could the Minister give me that information?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

This process in its entirety has cost well nigh onto $2 million.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That was not a response. I asked specifically what the cost breakdown between the two different communities, the treaty rights holders and the individuals without these rights, what are those individual costs? Also, it’s my understanding, at least from the session that I attended, that the department had individuals attending these sessions who were documenting everything that was said. I was wondering if the Minister could confirm that detailed notes were put together and whether or not those detailed notes that explain what they heard could be shared.

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Question 441-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I’m not quite sure what type of distinction the Member wants to create. We had public meetings -- public meetings -- in every community. Some we went back to twice. Now, was the Member expecting us to do a head count and count who was Aboriginal and who was non-Aboriginal and apportion cost by head count? I don’t know what point the Member is making here. The fact is this process for Northerners cost well nigh into $2 million and, yes, we had note takers at the meeting. Yes, notes were taken. I will check to see what would be the best way to possibly put out a

summary of the various observations and feedback that we did receive.

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Question 441-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment follow-up questions from my Member’s statement on the lack of playground equipment over at the Bompas Elementary School in Fort Simpson. The parents group has been fundraising. The Minister was in Fort Simpson. We spoke to the group. I believe there was a commitment at that time by the Minister to the parents group to say that he would assist in purchasing the playground equipment. Will the Minister be considering that?

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. First let me commend the parent group for their tireless efforts in fundraising. This will definitely go a long way. As I stated when I was visiting Fort Simpson, I’m willing to work with the parents and willing to work with the DEA. There has been some correspondence between MLA Menicoche, myself and the DEA that we need to collaborate together. Working with the parent group, I must say that they are kick-starting this fundraising initiative and I’m willing to work with that.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

That’s exactly what the parents are looking for, that the Minister is willing to work with the community, because now it’s a community-based organization; the work with the DEA, the Dehcho Divisional Education Council as well. Once the collaboration continues, will the Education, Culture and Employment Minister be contributing to the Bompas Elementary School playground initiative?

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We don’t have specific funding for playground equipment that the Member is referring to for replacement of, but I did commit in this House that I’m willing to work with the parents group and the fundraising that they’re initiating to see what we can do as a department. I’m willing to work with that DEA member and also the parents group. That will be my commitment.

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I think the Minister made a soft commitment here and the parents group are looking for something stronger. They thought that he had said something stronger back in the October meeting. That’s the type of commitment that I’m looking for here today, and the parents group is really looking forward to the Minister helping out with this very important issue for the children in Fort Simpson.

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I did make a commitment. It may be soft but, as I indicated, my

department will work closely with the DEA. I understand there’s been some correspondence on the playground equipment, the cost of it. The Member has alluded to $60,000 for the playground. That’s the number that we need to work with. How much the fundraising initiative of the parents group will be initiating still remains to be seen, but as I made the commitment, let’s work with this and work with the community of Fort Simpson to see what will come out of it.

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. For sure the parents have been raising money. I’m going to use $10,000 as an estimate. They’ve been working very hard, the parents, the children, the teachers. I’d like to ask the Minister to acknowledge that, that they have been working hard and they will be looking for matching funds.

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I definitely acknowledge that. Any group or organization that kick-starts fundraising or other initiatives, that’s always something that we want to work with as a department, as the GNWT. If there are matching funds that the Member is alluding to, those are the areas that we need to explore. Again, I’m willing to work with that.

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Question 442-16(5): Bompas Elementary School Playground Equipment

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 443-16(5): GNWT Support For Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For my Member’s statement today I was talking about Darnley Bay Resources and Diadem Resources who are looking for precious metals and diamonds in the community of Paulatuk, just outside of the community; the night of another promising indicator the results of the recent findings and the demands of a number of groups and organizations to see the Paulatuk community participate meaningfully. Will this government devote necessary resources to train people to build infrastructure needed so the local economy can truly benefit?

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Question 443-16(5): GNWT Support For Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 443-16(5): GNWT Support For Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Darnley Bay project is in the early exploration stages and the president and CEO, Mr. Stephen Reford, was in Paulatuk on February 1st and at that

time he announced that there would be two drilling campaigns underway in 2011. We’re very excited about that.

As well, Diadem Resources Ltd., which is a 50 percent partner, also announced the results of their diamond drilling on the Franklin diamond project

which is located on Parry Peninsula. The results are very encouraging. There are seven diamondiferous kimberlites discovered, including one microdiamond. So the potential looks very good. As the project progresses, I’m sure that, as in other diamond projects, we would work on developing the necessary infrastructure as we go forward.

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Question 443-16(5): GNWT Support For Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Similar to the funding provided to the Paulatuk Development Corporation for the purchase of the 20-person movable exploration camp, will the government consider providing funding for the economic ventures that require considerable start-up, such as buying the equipment needed and the training of local people? Other than bringing them in from outside, we want meaningful employment. The diamond mines that we have here in the Territory already do not hire from Nunakput, so we want to train our own so that we can take care of ourselves.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

That certainly is the basis for the Sustainable Development Policy of the Government of the Northwest Territories. We’d be very pleased to work with the community as opportunities become real and as the results of the exploration are examined and confirmed.

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Question 443-16(5): GNWT Support For Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Minister. We get the training that is needed as we go forward to the project, that training of all positions of these two major projects that I hope to go through with regard to the local hires before the outsiders come in, basically taking care of our local people in the communities in the region of Nunakput.

Mr. Speaker, would this government be able to set up sort of like a mine training exercise up in the Inuvik region? Thank you.

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Question 443-16(5): GNWT Support For Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

The president and CEO, when he visited Paulatuk, his primary purpose was to lay out the groundwork for the hiring of local people as well as fine-tuning the logistical aspects of the project. We have set up mine training projects with other communities and we would be very pleased to approach the Mine Training Society and work with the community of Paulatuk. Thank you.

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Question 443-16(5): GNWT Support For Darnley Bay Diamond Exploration Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 444-16(5): Reduction Of GNWT Red Tape For Small Business

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about the need to work through the red tape and perhaps even create a process that would deal with red tape. Not more red tape, of course.

I’d like to ask questions today to the Minister responsible for the Strategic Investment Committee on Refocusing Government. My first question to that Minister would be: what has this government done through its programming and efforts to reduce red tape for small business and can they cite a few examples? Thank you.

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Question 444-16(5): Reduction Of GNWT Red Tape For Small Business

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for refocusing government, Mr. Michael Miltenberger .

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Question 444-16(5): Reduction Of GNWT Red Tape For Small Business

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The primary initial focus of the Program Review Committee has been on identifying efficiencies within government, things like the proposal to build an office building in Yellowknife, the work that’s been done on the pupil/teacher ratio on the inclusive schooling, on the medical travel, and a host of other areas. Thank you.

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Question 444-16(5): Reduction Of GNWT Red Tape For Small Business

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, has the government consulted at all with small business in any form on the initiative of red tape and how the government can respond to the needs and requirements that have been created by the administrative burden through the bureaucracy in its requirement and hunger and thirst for more paper? Has the Minister engaged small business? Thank you.

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Question 444-16(5): Reduction Of GNWT Red Tape For Small Business

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I, as well, have met with the Canadian Federation of Independent Businesses to have lunch with them and talk about some of their concerns. I will point out, back a number of Assemblies ago there was a division or a group within government that was struck to look at red tape, but there’s nothing current that I’m aware of. Thank you.

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Question 444-16(5): Reduction Of GNWT Red Tape For Small Business

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Minister’s effort in trying to answer the question. But, really, other than meeting with them, it doesn’t sound as if anything’s really come of it. What’s stopping the Program Review Office, as a lead Minister as well as, of course, a departmental Minister where the Program Review Office sits, what’s stopping the Minister from launching the program review team on this type of initiative, engaging small business to ensure that we’re helping them fulfill their paper requirements by dealing with the red tape problem? Thank you.

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