Debates of Oct. 14th, 1997

This is page numbers 1557 - 1585 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Action Plan For Transition To A New Western Territory

Transition To A New Western Territory

Cape Dorset State Of Emergency

High Cost Of Healthy Foods

GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Jean Marie River Highway Access Road

Legislation To Govern The Architecture Profession

Positive Messages

Misuse Of Yellowknife Crime Rates Statistics

Resolution Island Abandoned Dew Line Site

Jean Marie River Highway Access Road

Return To Oral Question 608-13(4): Environmental Liability Inventory

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

High Cost Of Healthy Foods

Diamond Development Revenues

Premier's Panel On The Economy

All-season Roads To Isolated Communities

Support For Architects Act Proposal

Aurora Fund Marketing Strategy

Disclosure Of Employee Renumeration

Status Of Northern Accord Negotiations

GNWT Role In Economic Development

Dew Line Site Cleanups

Diamond Mining Regulations

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Tabled Document 110-13(4): Action Plan For Transition To A New Western Territory

Tabled Document 111-13(4): Government Of The NWT Interim Financial Report, Year Ended March 31, 1997

Tabled Document 112-13(4): Letters Regarding The Proposed Architects Act For The Nwt

Tabled Document 113-13(4): Government Of The NWT Interim Financial Report, Year Ended March 31, 1997

Referral Of Td 110-13(4) Action Plan For Transition To A New Western Territory To Committee Of The Whole.

Item 16: Motions

Referral Of Td 110-13(4) Action Plan For Transition To A New Western Territory To Committee Of The Whole

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Bill 23:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Motion To Amend Clause 19 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 23 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 27 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 37 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 38 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 40 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 48 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 49 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 50 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 53 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 55 Of Bill 3

Motion To Amend Clause 58 Of Bill 3

Motion To Add A

Preamble Bill 3

Bill 15:

An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1557

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' Statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 118-13(4): Action Plan For Transition To A New Western Territory

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, April 1, 1999, will see a dramatic change to the political landscape of the Northwest Territories as one territory divides into two. As a result, the legislative, executive, judicial, administrative and intergovernmental processes and structures which have evolved over the years will be fundamentally and permanently altered.

Last week, the Honourable John Todd tabled the draft Transition Action Plan for the creation of two new territories. Although this document deals largely with the transition to a new government in Nunavut, it also for the first time quantifies some of the transition costs affecting the Western Territory. A supplementary report focusing specifically on western costs will be completed in November.

In the interim, there are many issues which need to be dealt with to coordinate the planning prior to April 1, 1999, to ensure that a strong and stable western government is maintained and that plans are in place for the next western territorial election scheduled for the fall of 1999.

Later today, I will table an action plan for the transition to a new Western Territory. The plan, which has been prepared in consultation with the Members of the Western Caucus, outlines some of the steps necessary to successfully launch the new Western Territory. This documents deals with a number of specific issues with respect to the establishment of the new Western Territory.

1. Transition Period

One of the most important considerations for the people of the Western Territory leading to the territorial election in the fall of 1999 is a seamless transition period which will ensure that services continue uninterrupted, the fiscal resources of the government are managed in a prudent manner and that long- term planning necessary to ensure the high quality of services continues.

To accomplish this, the action plan lays out the schedules for business planning by departments, budget consideration by the western Members of the Legislative Assembly and a decrease in the number of Cabinet Ministers from eight to six for the period from April to November, 1999.

The action plan also calls on the federal government to pass an amendment to the Northwest Territories Act to reduce the minimum number of Members of the Legislative Assembly from 15 to 14.

2. Service Levels

As the Honourable John Todd stated in the House last week, this government does not have the mandate to pay for the transition costs related to division and, more importantly, it simply does not have the financial resources to do so without jeopardizing program service to all our residents. This we will not do.

With that in mind, Members of the Western Caucus are committed to supporting the Minister of Finance and the northern representatives in the negotiation of the new formula financing negotiations for the Western Territory and Nunavut. The Western Caucus is taking an active

part in ensuring the concerns of the residents of the west are considered in these discussions through the continued good work of the western coalition.

Western Members are also committed to supporting this government's position with respect to the transitional costs for division as outlined by Minister Todd last week in this House.

The people of the Western Territory and Nunavut have a long shared history together and will continue to have many similar political and economic interests after division. Given that there will likely be a need for shared services between west and east after division, it is important to state that we are open and committed to working with the office of the Interim Commissioner on these issues.

3. Political Representation As the constitutional working group works on a made in the north solution to the future constitutional and political arrangements for the west, it is critical that we ensure that the level of political representation of western interests is not eroded in the meantime.

The action plan sets out timetables for the federal government to appoint a senator resident in the west, a commissioner resident in the west and Western Territory representatives to national boards and agencies. Furthermore, we will be initiating a strategy to ensure that the Western Territory continues to be represented at intergovernmental meetings, beginning with Premier Morin hosting the next Western Premiers' Conference in Yellowknife during the summer of 1998.

Perhaps the greatest challenge in dealing with an issue as complex as the creation of two new territories is ensuring that all stakeholders have the necessary information to make sound and timely decisions. As a result, we are committed to providing information, position papers and background research to all stakeholders and the public on a timely basis.

The time for action is now, and the Members of the Western Caucus are prepared to meet the challenges before it. As such, the action plan that I will be tabling today should not be interpreted as a comprehensive blueprint but as the key actions required to ensure the establishment of a strong and stable Western Territory.

It is important to point out that this plan is not intended to replace ongoing ministerial accountability or the authority of the Legislative Assembly.

Together with the Transition Action Plan tabled by Minister Todd last week and the supplementary Transition Action Plan for the west that will be completed next month. This action plan sets out our commitment to ensure that both new territories are treated in a fair and equitable manner.

In the west, the plan is intended to complement the important work being done on structural and governance issues by the Constitutional Working Group, the western coalition and the Aboriginal Summit. We are working from a strong starting position. We have a government which has developed a unique northern character over several decades. We now have the opportunity to develop it further to better suit the residents of the new Western Territory as we move into the next millennium.

The creation of two new territories has been discussed for many years, but many complex issues need to be resolved to ensure a successful transition to two new territories. We hope that this document provides another important step towards this goal.

In conclusion, I would like to say that the future looks good for the western Northwest Territories. Clearly, division does present challenges. However, there are many strengths on which western residents can draw and opportunities on the horizon. The west is rich in natural resources, and there is great potential for jobs for current and future generations. We have infrastructure, programs and services for our people already in place. Western leaders are in a position to continue to develop that system further to carry us forward for generations to come.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 118-13(4): Action Plan For Transition To A New Western Territory

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 471-13(4): Transition To A New Western Territory

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, western MLAs clearly have an obligation and responsibility to make sure pieces are in place for the western public government after division. The Minister for western transition has outlined the process western Members have agreed to. On the request of the public, the constitutional process is moving along at a slower pace to allow for greater community consultation. In the meantime, we will be taking all the steps necessary to make sure services and programs for the public are unaffected on April 1, 1999, and beyond.

Mr. Speaker, the western government is in good shape. Our government structures already exist and are functioning. Our programs and services are already highly decentralized. In the west, we are also active at the financial tables dealing with formula financing and the division of assets and liabilities. Even in Yellowknife, there is an opportunity of shared services which will help mitigate the impact of division upon the capital.

Division is an opportunity. Good things are ahead for the west. We just have to make sure we are ready to take advantage of them. The document that will be tabled later today is only an update in the efforts to let people of the west know what work is currently under way. It is part of the many steps that we will have to take in the coming months and part of the ongoing communication that is going to be essential for the people of the west.

The bottom line, Mr. Speaker, is that most people in the west should not notice the impact of division on their daily lives. Levels of programs and services should not be effected. It is critical that the federal government needs to fulfil its obligation in the creation of two new territories, and it is up to us to get the pieces in place for division. The nuts and bolts issues are critical for success. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 471-13(4): Transition To A New Western Territory

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Member's Statement 472-13(4): Cape Dorset State Of Emergency

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to inform the House of the state of emergency that has been declared by Mayor John Curley for the hamlet of Cape Dorset. Mr. Curley also chaired the Local Emergency Response Committee. As of 1300 hours, a hurricane warning has been issued for the Cape Dorset area. Strong winds, very high sea swells and freezing rain are affecting the community as we speak and are expected to worsen. Residents awoke

this morning to very strong winds and freezing rain, and all but emergency services were shut down. Mr. Timoon Toonoo, the senior administrative officer, informed me that five boats have been lost, and unfortunately, more are likely to be lost before the end of the storm. Fortunately, Mr. Speaker, there has been no loss of life. These boats represent years of investment by the owners and by no means a minor loss in dollars and the ability to hunt and quarry soapstone.

The Emergency Response Committee informed residents that at 10:45 a.m. of a state of emergency alert and outpost camps were alerted via high frequency radio also. Mr. Toonoo told me about some ice build up on power lines and is keeping a close eye on the situation. Because of glare ice and high winds on the roads, for that matter on everything, it is impossible to travel by foot in the community. He watched people falling down and being thrown around by the winds while trying to crawl to their destination. It is for this reason that residents are being indoors until further notice.

The SAO wanted me to pass on the hamlet's appreciation for the assistance of Mr. Mike Ferris from the Department of Municipal Affairs in Iqaluit and for their assistance. Also, in my home community, Kimmirut which is 220 miles to the east of Cape Dorset, I am also informed of very high winds and seas the loss of two boats plus five more that are anchored in fear of danger of overturning, as well as, heavy ice build-up on building walls, windows and roads. That community has also been literally shut down and is taking precautions. I would ask that Members of this House join me in wishing these two communities the best as they ride out this very fierce storm. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 472-13(4): Cape Dorset State Of Emergency

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 473-13(4): High Cost Of Healthy Foods

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The cost of living is very expensive in the Arctic. The government is promoting healthy lifestyles which involves a balanced diet. For people living in remote communities like Clyde River, the cost of fresh fruits, vegetables and diary products are very high. For people living on income support and low paying jobs, it is very difficult to buy healthy foods for themselves and their families. In communities where there are two stores, you can shop around for better buys. However, in communities where there is just one store, there is no choice of where to buy food.

With more than one store to chose from, there might be cheaper prices too. Mr. Speaker, I want the government to know that I am concerned about the high cost of healthy food in remote communities such as those in my region. As a government, we have to practice what we preach. If we say buy healthy food, we should make sure people can afford to buy it. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 473-13(4): High Cost Of Healthy Foods

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 474-13(4): GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to advise the Members of the House of my support of the Draft Transition Action Plan tabled in this House last Wednesday by the Minister responsible for Division. Mr. Speaker, I, for one, am glad to see the kind of detailed planning finally being done with less than 18 months until division. It is time for action. This plan was prepared as advice to the Interim Commissioner, which I hope he will give some thoughtful consideration to.

This was also developed as an action plan for steps that the Government of the Northwest Territories can take to help make Nunavut a reality. Finally, this plan also outlines the funding that will be needed to put basic government structure in place in Nunavut.

Mr. Speaker, like many of my colleagues, I wish that we could be further down the road to implementation and that this plan can continue to follow the actions that are necessary to have a fully functioning Nunavut government in place by April 1, 1999. But if we at least can get the basics in place, then the new MLAs of the Nunavut government will have be the tools and the framework they need to move forward to put the final model in the way that the Inuit people want their government to be.

The people of Nunavut have very high expectations of the benefits that the new government will bring, and I know that the people of Resolute, Arctic Bay and Grise Fiord who I represent are anxious to see the government offices to be built in the communities outside of the capital of Iqaluit. I am very pleased to see, Mr. Speaker, that this plan recognizes that decentralization must take place if the vision for the Nunavut government outlined in Footprints 2 is to become a reality. I want to wish success to all the parties as they begin discussions on the plan and the funding that is needed to turn this into action. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 474-13(4): GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 475-13(4): Jean Marie River Highway Access Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, as everyone knows was Thanksgiving. In my household, we along with most families across the great country celebrated this holiday in the traditional manner, cooking themselves a turkey and all the trimmings. For me it was a nice relaxing day to be with family and friends. I would like to thank my family and friends for making this the special day that it is. I would like to also wish everyone a belated Happy Thanksgiving.

As some of you heard on the radio this morning, Jean Marie River has now become the latest community to have a full- year-round highway access. Myself, along with my colleague, Levi Barnabas , were fortunate to be able to travel with my colleague the Honourable James Antoine to partake in the grand opening of this new access road. The community has been lobbying the government for many years, and Saturday they were able to realize this dream. I would like to thank the community of Jean Marie River for their hospitality, and the Minister for inviting me to witness this very important event. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 475-13(4): Jean Marie River Highway Access Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 476-13(4): Legislation To Govern The Architecture Profession

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to once again address the subject of the need for legislation to cover the profession of architecture in the Northwest Territories. About $150 million is spent in the north every year on the design and construction of buildings. Yet the Government of the Northwest Territories does not have any act in place to legislate the practice of architecture. Legislation would ensure that those individuals undertaking the design of buildings covered under the act are qualified to do so.

Right now any person can provide building design services with no assurance to the public that he/she has the experience, training or skills in this highly technical area. A year and a half ago in this House, I asked the Minister of Justice about drafting legislation that would govern the practice of architects in the north. I was told at the time, there were no plans to draft such

an act. Based on that response, the Northwest Territories Architectural Society has drafted

an act and has circulated it to the allied professionals, the Northwest Territories Construction Association and the Committee of Canadian Architectural Councils for comments. The comments have been received and incorporated into the proposed act.

The Northwest Territories Society is now ready to submit the package to the Department of Public Works and Services, I believe, for final review and forwarding to the Department of Justice. Now it is up to this government to see that this act is introduced into this House for passage. Mr. Wayne Guy, the president of the Northwest Territories Architectural Society, has written to the MLAs to support this position. Northerners depend upon us to take this initiative. It has taken the Northwest Territories Architectural Society more than ten years and three governments to get to this stage of legislative development.

If the territories split prior to the passage of an architects act, both territories will be without legislation to regulate the practice of architecture. This will be detrimental to the north, especially in light of the building boom that is expected in the new territory. Architects are the only profession in the Northwest Territories dealing with health and safety not governed by

an act. A new building code is scheduled to be introduced in the year 2001, putting greater responsibility into the hands of architects. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 476-13(4): Legislation To Govern The Architecture Profession

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ootes , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 476-13(4): Legislation To Govern The Architecture Profession

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Without an architects act, the Northwest Territories will not have any architects designated as design professionals qualified to make crucial decisions on the implementation of the national building code. In short, the Northwest Territories Architectural Society has done all it can. Having

an act, Mr. Speaker, is a matter of interest to public safety. Every province in this country already has such legislation. The north requires

an act. Without one the public is at risk of injury. It is incumbent upon this government to ensure the health and safety of the public is maintained. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 477-13(4): Positive Messages

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to start off by sending greetings to my wife and children and family back home in Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, I had an opportunity to return home for the weekend and spend Thanksgiving with my children and my family. I am thankful for that, and I recognize many Members from the east were not able to do that and wish they were able to do so, but not saying that they will be able to return home for their weekend coming up. Mr. Speaker, the opportunity I received going home for the weekend was to hold a meeting.

At this meeting I was able to speak to a number of people from the community and the concerns raised during the Thanksgiving weekend was not many to be thankful for. There was a lot of concern about what is to come up and what is happening in the communities. Government employees are just hanging onto their jobs. They are looking for other jobs even though we try to send a positive message. That is why we need to, as Members of this Assembly start to send a positive message of what we are going to do, what we can do and not what we cannot do. Mr.

Speaker, I will be in the next number of days asking questions to this government on what we are doing on issues that can put people to work and take them off of income support. I am thankful for the opportunity to represent the people of Inuvik in this setting. I would be even more thankful when I can start telling them positive news that there are jobs coming down the road. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 477-13(4): Positive Messages

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 478-13(4): Misuse Of Yellowknife Crime Rates Statistics

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to spend a couple of minutes this fine Tuesday afternoon to talk about a non-inspiring topic, that of statistics usage. Mr. Speaker, with the arrival of the computer age, our society has at its fingertips the ability to compile and compose statistics as it so desires. We have statistics for this and statistics for that. For the most part, these titbits of information seem harmless, but placed in the wrong hand can become grave and lethal weapons.

Recently, Yellowknife has been in the local headlines as being an undesirable place to live or invest in because of the media's reporting of crime rates. While the increase in perceived crime rate is real or perceived, these articles have left residents, potential residents and investors with the impression that Yellowknife may be a less charming place to reside and invest in.

I have had the opportunity, Mr. Speaker, to study these detailed statistics for myself. It is my observation that the incidents of overall crime in Yellowknife has decreased by approximately 18 percent over last year. Statistics do say that the crime rate in Yellowknife has actually decreased 18 percent. I too, could have viewed these statistics with a sensational eye and arrived at some of the same conclusions. For example, I could have concluded that from the stats that the incidents of reported aggravated assault have raised 100 percent over the previous year.

I had one case of reported aggravated sexual assault this year. We had no reported cases last year. But that could have been a gross misuse of information.

Mr. Speaker, quite frankly it would be a misrepresentation of the facts, it should also be noted that these statistics do not support a conclusion that the youths of Yellowknife are responsible for the majority of the reported cases of crime. According to RCMP officials, youth are not to be blamed for the seeming rash of assaults. Most of these charges in this area are 25 year old or older. Mr. Speaker, the statistics show that crime is not on the increase in Yellowknife. Crimes by youth in our city are not on the rise and that Yellowknife is not a haven for crime. These are the facts, Mr. Speaker, and I am happy to report this positive news. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 478-13(4): Misuse Of Yellowknife Crime Rates Statistics

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 479-13(4): Resolution Island Abandoned Dew Line Site

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1561

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier this summer I had travelled by boat to several sites in Frobisher Bay and then onto Resolution Island. Resolution Island is the site of an abandoned DEW Line site. It was abandoned around 1974 and, Mr. Speaker, was left in a very disturbing manner with PCBs and, yes, even an abandoned army jeep. My estimates put the cleanup at about $40 million. Over the past two summers, the Qikiqtaaluk Corporation has been involved in preliminary work assessing the potential areas of concern and have several people at the site all this summer.

All buildings, warehouses, barrows, woods, metal and various other left over equipment are still very obvious at the site. There is major concern with the amount of PCBs that have been detected in the soil and surrounding the buildings. This summer via sealift, the Qikiqtaaluk Corporation brought in heavy equipment necessary to facilitate their appraisal and the cleanup.

Mr. Speaker, last year I raised the issue of the DEW Line cleanups and the deal that was signed between the federal government and the United States' government providing $100 million for the DEW Line and other United States' military cleanups in Canada. The problem, Mr. Speaker, is that from all estimates, $100 million is a shamefully small amount with a caveat. Mr. Speaker, the caveat, as I have said in this House before, is that the $100 million is not an actual cash but an amount that will be used to draw down as a credit by our government in the purchase of military equipment.

Mr. Speaker, this past spring when I questioned this government about the deal, we learned that although we have the majority of the sites involved with the cleanup, we were never informed about it until it was announced in the media. That was not acceptable. Resolution Island is well known as a major denning site for polar bears. There is much concern about the concentration of PCBs and other chemicals at the site and its effect for the past 25 years on wildlife in the area. The concern last year, Mr.

Speaker, that I had with the disposal of PCB lead in paint being buried in the north from the abandoned DEW Line buildings and exemption sought by the Department of National Defence to the federal department of the Environment is still a major concern.

Later today, Mr. Speaker, I will be raising some questions with the honourable Minister for Resources, Wildlife, and Economic Development to ask him about the situation. Also Mr. Speaker, the storm affecting Cape Dorset and Lake Harbour is also affecting Iqaluit. I would like to wish all the residents, my wife, children and mother well. Our thoughts are with you. God bless.

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Member's Statement 479-13(4): Resolution Island Abandoned Dew Line Site

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1561

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Just to remind the Members, I believe there were three Members so far that have made Members' statements that went off their main topic. I would like to remind you to stick to one item and do not switch from one to another. Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Member's Statement 480-13(4): Jean Marie River Highway Access Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

(Translation unavailable) (Translation) We had an opportunity to go to Jean Marie River, Levi Barnabas and James Rabesca . Because it was close to Thanksgiving, it was an opportune time for us to open the access road to Jean Marie River. There was an elder lady, Bella Norwegian, and Chief Yvonne Norwegian who assisted me in cutting the ribbon. There were so many people there that were thankful for the event, and we had also had a feast. In the past, the community was only accessible by a winter road.

Now, the Department of Transportation opened up the access road which was 27 kilometres long, and due to this stretch of road we trained many young people and everything turned out fine. I am the MLA and represent the people of Jean Marie River and with the assistance of the government, the community of Jean Marie River are able to travel outside of their little community and do their shopping. I want to thank you in the House for that opportunity. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 480-13(4): Jean Marie River Highway Access Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1561

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Return To Oral Question 608-13(4): Environmental Liability Inventory

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question, asked by Mr. Picco on October 7, 1997.

Environmental Liability Inventory

The following is the information requested concerning the inventory of sites in the Northwest Territories with potential environmental liabilities.

The Standing Committee on Government Operations requested that an inventory of sites where potential environmental liabilities may exist be completed by the Financial Management Board Secretariat (FMBS). This task was undertaken by the FMBS and a report provided to both the Chairman and the Clerk of this Standing Committee on April 7, 1997.

The inventory identified 648 sites. At 624 an environmental liability exists or may exist. Based on an estimated average cost per site of $10,000 to $50,000 to conduct detailed environmental assessments to determine whether or not environmental damage exists, and the potential costs of remediation, the assessment could cost between $6 to $40 million. The actual cost of remediating or restoring these sites to their original condition is unknown and cannot be determined until the detailed environmental assessments are done.

While the Government of the Northwest Territories cannot afford to conduct these detailed assessments at this time, having developed an inventory of potential sites is a positive step.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Thompson .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Because the plane was cancelled today going to eastern Rankin, I am able to recognize my husband in the gallery with my little buddy, Randy, and also our other son, Trevor. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take a great deal of pleasure in introducing a constituent of mine, Mr. Jim Fournier, and I would also like to introduce his son, James, who is the most capable and able page in this House. I want to welcome them both. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to recognize Evan Walz. Evan used to work at the Legislative Assembly and has since refound a home at Renewable Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize all the other people that have not been recognized. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 666-13(4): High Cost Of Healthy Foods

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess my question will be directed to Minister of Transportation , the Honourable Jim Antoine . As I mentioned in my Member's statement people who live on the highway system have the ability to go elsewhere to buy their food. Also on the highway system, food is less expensive, a little bit anyway. In remote communities, there is no choice where to buy their food. They must rely on expensive airlines and local stores. What are we as a government doing to assist low income families in remote communities to buy their healthy food. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to take this question as notice. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 667-13(4): Diamond Development Revenues

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1562

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister of Financial Management Board Secretariat who is also involved with the money side of the diamonds. The interest in the diamond business seems to be staying in the national eye. I am not sure if people have the sense of the magnitude that we are talking about in terms of the amount of diamonds and the amount of money that is on the table in the north when we talk about the projects going ahead and potentially going ahead. Could the Minister indicate to the House, if he has that information, the size of the number of diamonds and carats?

I am talking gem quality stones and the kind of money we are talking about is of such great interest to the people of the north. Thank you.

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Question 667-13(4): Diamond Development Revenues

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I spoke on a number of occasions that diamonds are different than any other commodity and that we have to be very careful as to how we approach this industry and ensure that Canadian interests as well as northern ones are protected. There is no question, if you want. The value or the return on investment that this industry has historically in Africa, Australia and other countries is significant.

I am advised that this current diamond activity going on in the Northwest Territories could bring somewhere in the range of two mines that are up and running of about 7.7 million carats a year and that a large percentage of those carats are of gem quality which would mean a significant return on investment for both companies.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate over the long term the kind of millions or billions of dollars that are going to be leaving the north, and then if we do not get an agreement for some sort of tax, I suppose revenue or diamond sorting that will be gone unchecked out of the north?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, of course, there is a great deal of debate right now as to what the number is with respect to taxes and royalties. My numbers right now indicate that the federal government and ourselves would get somewhere in

the range of about $2.4 to $2.5 billion over the life cycle of one mine. There is some discussion about some of the secondary taxes that may come that would bring this thing to somewhere around $4 billion over the period of one mine. So, you know, I think, the numbers we are talking about are national in their context. They are large in terms of the balance sheet and, while the risk capital is significant and nobody denies that, some of the rewards, if these diamond operations are successful, are immense. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister also indicate where these new finds of diamonds in the north puts Canada on the list of diamond producers? Does it put us at the top, bottom, or middle? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I did have the opportunity to read the latest in the Globe and Mail, Mr. Speaker. It indicates here from a renowned capital investment firm called Deans Knight Capital Management. They have shares in the Aber Company and they also manage about 2.3 to 2.4 billion, so that gives them some credibility. They figure that the two Canadian diamond mines, once they are in production, would be one of the top world's diamond producing nations. They also indicate the rewards for diamond miners can be enormous. A top notch diamond mine can be worth ten times as much as a comparative sized gold mine.

I think that kind of illustrates that it is not only us that is saying it, it is national finance and investment firms that are saying the same thing that we are. The rules and engagement as it relates to diamond mines should be different than other industry or nonrenewable resources industries out there. We hope at the end of day that the federal government will see the need to protect Canadian interests, as well as the other ones at the same time. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 668-13(4): Premier's Panel On The Economy

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, it has been some time since we last had an update as to what the economic panel the Premier formed has been up to. I would like to know if there have been any results that focus on any economic activities, we as a government can take

part in or help to bring forward? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have had the opportunity to have the initial meeting as well as follow up meetings with the panel on the economy with the Premier 's Business Panel. They have made recommendations to this government and I have presented that all to the committee when I presented my business plan. I would be pleased to give the Member a copy of that, and all Members a copy. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be very glad to receive a copy of the results of his meetings. I would like to know if the Premier can tell us if any of the discussions have led to some of the activities coming up that would have a positive impact on the economy of the north? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier 's Panel made recommendations through that panel to this government on a few of the issues that we have moved forward on. One of the issues, for example, is this spring in the Legislative Assembly, the Minister of Finance announced a $16 million initiative of this government to top up our economic development programs, our lending institutions as well as to top up the Minister of Education's budget as well as Resources, Wildlife and Developments' budget on investing in people's future as well as investing in business. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the panel set any vision for itself? Do we see ourselves in five years increasing jobs or aiming to increase jobs in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The future for the Northwest Territories in general, looks fairly well. What we have to make sure is, as things develop in the Northwest Territories that we seize on the opportunities that will exist and that will come to the attention of this government, as well as the communities that are surrounding the development in the Northwest Territories. We have to ensure that we have properly trained people ready to go into the work force.

One of the major issues that people addressed in the Premier 's Panel, that we have to make sure that we are in sync with the private sector and working with private sector to make sure our people are trained, so they can take the jobs that are coming available. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Premier inform us if this panel will continue on and what the results will be from ongoing meetings? Will we be able to see a document, a plan or vision as to where we are heading as government and private sector in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot foresee the recommendations or what the panel will recommend to us. I know that we do have a good working relationship with the business people of the Northwest Territories. We know that in order for the north to develop, and move ahead, those partnerships have to be strengthened. We have to work together as two partners. We also know, and we made it very clear, that the government no longer can be the engine of the economy. It has to be the private sector and we have to work in conjunction with them.

So, that is the overlying issue we have to address with the private sector, as to how we can work better together to enhance what the private sector is doing on behalf of all the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. (Translation) Our MP, Ethel Blondin-Andrew is amongst us. (Translation ends) Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Transportation . It is in regard to the possibility of an all-season road to isolated communities. I am talking in particular of Aklavik which has the highest cost of living and the isolation. There is no all weather road to that community. I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation , what does it take for a community such as Aklavik to get an all-weather road?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the case of Aklavik. I must say this is the first time I am hearing there was such a request for an all-weather road to Aklavik. The department will have to take a look at where Aklavik is, in conjunction to the existing highway system and look at the possibilities. What are the possibilities of connecting it into the existing system? Personally, I am not very familiar with that part of the country, so I cannot say how that is going to be done. The department will receive a request from the community, and what we could do is take a look at what the possibilities are. It is a starting point. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the process for consultation with a community, is it up to the community to ask the department or the Minister to come into the community and say they want an all weather road? Is that the straight forward process or are there other processes involved? Aklavik has been talking about an all weather road for years. It is not something that has been out there. I find it interesting that the Minister's riding, apparently, has an all- weather road opened there. What was the process for that community to allow them to have an all-weather road?

What is the process for other communities that may be asking for the same process, so they will also have that opportunity?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the case of the all-weather road that was just opened last Saturday to the community of Jean Marie for 27 km. That was a 30-year process to get it, from the time they first requested it until it was completed. It took that long to get it completed. It was not until about 1990/91/92 that the actual planning started and now it is 1997. It took that many years before it actually got done. The process for a place like Aklavik, it will have to go through a request from the community to the department and we could take a look at it.

We are operating on very limited resources in the department and at this point in time, we would probably have to start off with a very long range plan, to see something of this nature come about. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I spoke about the need for an architectural act in the Northwest Territories. Earlier this summer the chair of the Canadian Architectural Society and Council wrote a letter of support to the Minister of Public Works and Services to support the proposed bill drafted by the NWT Society. That letter of support was signed by the representatives of each provincial jurisdiction. My question is for the Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo , if he could tell me if the Minister or his staff have had an opportunity to discuss the Architectural Society is request? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is true the Department of Public Works and Services did receive requests from the NWT Architectural Society and in particular from Mr. Wayne Guy. We spent some time looking at the proposal and the merits of the proposal in areas where it needed some work. We did point out some areas that the proposal did need to be worked on. We did work together in that sense. However, as the Members can appreciate, we do have very limited time in the next year and half because of a very heavy Legislative agenda. We have informed Mr.

Guy that the work that has been done up to-date is useful, and it could prove valuable if future Legislatures wanted to use it for an architectural act. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Could the Minister advise if the Architectural Society could be of assistance to take care of other areas of concern that may be with the drafted bill as presented by the Architectural Society?

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The draft proposal, as I understand it, is one borrowed from Alberta, and it does include some comments made from groups in the Northwest Territories. It has some merit in that sense, but we cannot just take that proposal from a private group and rubber stamp it right through the Assembly and make it into law. The government through the Department of Justice has to go through a drafting process. It has to look at all the implications that it might have on other parts of the government, et cetera.

I would also point out that the Government House Leader has given very clear direction to all Ministers that because of our full legislative agenda, there is only specific criteria of laws that we can work in, in the next year and half. This is not included in that criteria.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can appreciate that this has to be funnelled through the Department of Justice, but I think it is a commendable effort on the part of the architectural society to do a draft of this, Mr. Speaker. It certainly could, in the long run, save this government a lot of pain and effort when a society is prepared to assist. If the department and the Minister were to point out to the society the shortcomings of this bill, perhaps that society could assist. I am wondering if the Minister would be prepared to direct back to the society what further requirements may be needed in this? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it would be a bit more clear if I put it this way. I have been informed by the Department of Justice and the Government House Leader that there is no room at all in our legislative agenda in the next year and a half to put through an architectural act. However, the work that has been put together, so far, is valuable in that it could be used in future acts. We just do not have the time to do it at this point.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Canada Building Code is due for changes in the year 2001 which will create difficulties for this territory if it does not have an architectural act. I wonder if the Minister could not work with the architectural society to move this process forward, so that both Territories will be able to proceed expeditiously, the moment the two Legislative Assemblies are back in here. I just see a tremendous need, Mr. Speaker, for this particular act because it does impact upon public safety and concerns about building standards. Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand there is still no consensus amongst the industry about the acceptability of the proposal. There are groups, like the landscape associations and the interior designers, which have some problems with the proposal. In that sense, there is still some work to be done. We have already told the architectural association that the work is valuable. We will take it and file it, and it will be used at the first opportunity. We will ensure that whatever changes are made in the committee regulations are followed.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister for FMBS responsible for the Aurora Fund. The Minister has an outstanding commitment to this House which I would like to clear out of this House, so we can go on to other issues, which is the Northern Marketing Strategy for the Aurora Fund, which the Minister committed to present to this House in a

summary form today. Could the Minster do that please?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be only to happy to address that frequently asked question by my honourable colleague and my other one, who is not in the House today, Mr. Picco . Mr. Speaker, we have agreed to a full briefing tomorrow at 9 or 10 o'clock tomorrow morning, for those Members that may show an interest in the Aurora Fund Marketing Strategy. I did have a meeting with Mr. Bailey who is our investment manager on this issue earlier this weekend

while I was working. He indicated to me that there is actually a fair amount of work done with RWED, in fact they are our partners in this process. They market this fund the same as they market the department and BCC and try to advise as many people as possible as to what the fund does. Mr. Bailey met with some Chambers of Commerce in an effort to advise them what the fund is about. This House, of course, is a very public facility, and we have discussed that and that gives more people more of an interest in what we are doing. There are no large sums of money in terms of marketing dollars with respect to the fund.

As I said, it is a private fund operated by private individuals. Mr. Speaker, what I am trying to say is that RWED assists us in advising people of the availability of this fund, as they do with other funds they take care of, like the BCC and the smaller grants, et cetera. But there is no conventional marketing strategy on this fund because of the limitation of dollars. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Just to remind the Member for Keewatin Central , for Members that are not in the House. Members are not allowed to mention that they are not in the House. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minster clarify then, just so I have this clear, that there is not a separate stand alone marketing strategy for the Aurora Fund? It is similar to the BCC which means it is marketed basically through government employees, even though it is a private fund, out of government offices? If that is the case, do these government employees assist with putting together application forms that are then submitted to this private arms length fund? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I think my honourable colleague is trying to trap me today, but I will not fall into that trap, Mr. Speaker. The reality is that I would hope the Department of Economic Development and the economic development officers would assist people, the same as they assist people in applying for CIBC money, the Royal Bank, the Bank of Montreal, trust companies and everything else. What I was saying earlier in the week was, the fund is an independent fund. The investment committee is an independent investment committee.

The investment manager is an independent investment manager and there is no, it was implied, if I may, by some Members, that there is political interference. There is absolutely none. What I am saying is, there is a limitation to the fund's marketing dollars because it is run on a very lean and mean fiscal framework. What we are trying to make sure, is that the maximum dollars can get out to the private sector and minimum dollars administering it. That is the concept of the fund. Mr. Speaker, I hope I have answered my honourable colleague's questions.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Needless to say I am wounded to the quick that the Minister would think that I would try to trap him, sage and the wily coyote of the Assembly, untrappable. My question to the Minister is, I am not still clear how this works. I am not questioning that government employees for RWED would, in fact, work actively with local people to access whatever funds are available. Does in fact RWED staff, with the Aurora Fund, do the same kinds of things such as going to the Bank of Montreal? The Minister is not clear.

I know there is going to be a briefing tomorrow, but I think the people are going to be confused who are listening to this, as well as exactly to how this is done. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, customer A is looking for x amount of dollars to expand or to create new business that is going to provide new job opportunities. He goes into RWED and he says to them, this is what I want to do. RWED says there are options out there. There is the BCC, there is the grant program, there is this Aurora Fund, et cetera. What I am saying to you is RWED does this, fortunately, on behalf of the fund at no cost because of its obligation to the private sector and its responsibilities to aid it in trying to find alternate sources of capital, besides GNWT or the conventional banks, et cetera.

That is all I am trying to say. The fund is another Government of the Northwest Territories capital option that we can provide to the business community. It has some limitations, as we all know, and tomorrow in the briefing we will be able to give you a very precise description of how the fund operates and its successes and failures to date. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that clarification. Could he also indicate, given the newness of the Aurora Fund, whether the people doing the marketing on behalf of the Aurora Fund, are conversant with all the intricacies, procedures and restrictions that may be tied into the fund when they are dealing with people in the communities? Thank you.

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John Todd

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If my memory serves me correctly, I believe that Mr. Bailey has spoken for example, to the superintendents. I could stand to be corrected, but if my memory serves me correctly, as we were having breakfast the other morning as we were discussing this fund and trying to get a handle on the marketing strategy. I believe that the superintendents of RWED, Mr. Kakfwi 's department, have

been brought up-to-date on the fund, if you want, the criteria and conditions attached to it. As I said, we are very pleased that they have been able to assist us at no cost in advising northerners right across the territories the availability of this fund and the criteria and conditions attached to making an application for the dollars. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, last year about this time this House passed a motion for the government to publish the names and salaries of people making over $90,000 a year. In the spring, in answer to a question, the Premier had indicated that the staff was still working on that list. I was wondering when the Premier intends to honour the commitment of releasing the names and the salaries of people making over the amount of money that was indicated in the motion? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was a two part motion by Mr. Ootes . One was on contracts and to identify the sole-sourced or negotiated contracts, and the binder of contracts that every Member receives and members of the public can buy for $9. Then it was also on salaries for government employees and we have been working on that issue and continue to work on that issue. Whether or not we are going to do it or not, I do not know as of yet, Mr. Speaker. It is something that we have to address as Cabinet. Whether or not we agree to do it or not, I do not know. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What types of things have to be considered before the release of that information?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that the Member himself, as well as other Members, have raised the whole issue of our employees and the morale of our employees, how hard they have been working, and how little they have been paid, and issues as such. We have to look at how that will affect government morale of employees and whether or not we should even consider releasing it. Whether it should be at the $100,000 mark, $90,000 mark or $50,000 mark, or what. It is something that we have to work with.

I think it is also something that we have to address with our legal people, as well as I think the unions would be fairly interested in this issue as well, because it would be involving their membership as well. It is not a decision to be made lightly. It is a decision that must be made one way or the other and I am sure will be made fairly shortly by say the winter session. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I notice that Ontario has been doing this for quite some time. I believe they included just about every employee in their employ. I wonder what the Premier has to look at legally?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, Ontario is Ontario. This is the Northwest Territories. One thing in the Northwest Territories is that most people know their neighbours. Most people know each other and the way we deal with things. We always say we are unique in the Northwest Territories. We are different. We do not necessarily have to do things just because other jurisdictions do it. It is an issue that has to be addressed. I do not know how high of a priority it is to the Members of this Legislative Assembly or to the public in general in the Northwest Territories. It will be addressed. It will be looked at.

One way or the other, whether it is a yes or not, we will get that decision fairly soon. Thank you.

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Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that this is a smaller jurisdiction than Ontario and I also appreciate the fact that a lot of people know each other, but what does that have to do with the legal question of whether they should publish this information or not?

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Can I ask the Member for Yellowknife North if he could rephrase his question so that it is not requesting a legal opinion of the Minister? Mr. Erasmus .

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Mr. Speaker, I am sorry. I could not quite hear what you asked.

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The rules are that questions are directed to Ministers based on their knowledge of that department. When you go beyond that, to ask the Minister for a legal opinion, then that is unfair to the Ministers because they cannot express a legal opinion, unless they are lawyers too. Like yourself, Mr. Erasmus . Perhaps you can rephrase your question so that it is not requesting a legal opinion. Mr. Erasmus .

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I had indicated earlier, Ontario has been publishing the names of people with

their salaries for a while now and since that is the case, why do you have to ask for a legal opinion from the Department of Justice?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, this is the Northwest Territories. This is not Ontario. As the Member is fully aware, when all 24 Members ran for election as MLAs to this Legislative Assembly, they knew whatever you would be reimbursed for your wages, whatever your pay, would be public knowledge. When we hire employees, that is not part of the deal. We did not tell employees that when you are hired on with the Government of the Northwest Territories, what you get paid will be public knowledge. We need a legal opinion on that, so we will get it. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . It is in regard to the whole Northern Accord process, exactly where it is at? We hear a lot of talk from the Minister of Finance that he is talking with his counterparts at the Department of Finance of the possibility of looking at royalties, taxation and other areas. I would like to ask the Premier , in light of the 1998 Northern Accord Agreement that was signed between the federal government and this government to transfer and devolve the authority for oil, gas and mineral authority to this government, what is the status of those talks to date? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minster responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development is heading up the devolution file on behalf of the government dealing with DIAND on these issues. Right now we are talking with the Minister who is dealing with the federal government on the transfer of employees to the Northwest Territories government or to the Northwest Territories. The Minister of Finance is dealing with his counterpart in Ottawa on taxes and tax regimes.

We have also talked to some extent with the Aboriginal Summit, and it seems to us that the Aboriginal Summit does not endorse or support devolution to the territorial government of oil, gas, minerals, land, water or whatever until their whole issue of claims is settled, as well as self-government agreements. Thank you.

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