Education Act, Income Tax Act, Wildlife — 31 October 2001 (14th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 541–567)
2001-10-31, 14th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 541–567
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Oct. 31st, 2001
This is page numbers 541 - 567 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was communities .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Support For The Secondary Fur Industry
The Need For An Nwt-based Tannery
Wishes For A Safe And Bountiful Halloween
Appreciation For The Support And Confidence Of Colleagues
Membership In The Governor General's Curling Club Of Canada
GNWT Role In Crime Prevention
Hallelujah Night At The Inuvik Community Lighthouse Church
NWT Physician Shortage
Yellowknife Homeless Coalition
Yellowknives Dene/diavik Participation Agreement And Scholarship Awards
Challenges Facing New Cabinet Member
Public Consultation Methods Utilized By The GNWT
Transition To The Role As A Regular Member
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Growing Homeless Problem In The Nwt
Physician Resource Plan
Crime Prevention In NWT Communities
GNWT Legislative Consultation Policy
Establishing An NWT Tannery
Promoting Fur Trade And Products
Elders As Day Care Providers
Ice Crossings In The Mackenzie Delta
Funding For Community Policing Programs
Proposal To Amend Liquor Regulations
Design And Promotion Of Fur Products
Consultation On The Wildlife Act
Facilities And Activities For Youth
Written Question 7-14(4): Highway Expenditure Reports
Tabled Document 60-14(4): Package Of Letters From Yellowknife Businesses Requesting Lower Corporate And Payroll Taxes
Tabled Document 61-14(4): Yellowknife Community Plan To Address Homelessness
Tabled Document 62-14(4): Articles Regarding Leather Tanning
Recommendation For Appointment Of Executive Council
Recommendation For Appointment Of Executive Council (carried)
Bill 14: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2001-2002
Bill 15: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2000-2001
Bill 14: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2001-2002
Bill 15: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2000-2001
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
To Amend Clause 48 Of Bill 11: Architects Act (carried)
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Bill 5:
An Act To Amend The Education Act
Bill 7: Powers Of Attorney Act
Bill 13:
An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, No. 2
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Roger Allen , Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Mr. Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Mr. Roland , Honourable Vince Steen , Honourable Tony Whitford .
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 541
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Please be seated. Just by way of a little bit of trivia, I understand today is the first full moon in 40 some odd years. I understand it is also a blue moon. It is the third moon in October -- I mean, it is the first full moon to fall on Halloween. That is what I meant. Item 2, Minister's statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .
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Support For The Secondary Fur Industry
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 541
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this time, I would like to thank a friend of mine in Sachs Harbour for sending me this tie to wear in this House. Along with wearing this tie, he also asked me to send a message to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development to make Mr. Handley aware that we can do some amazing things when we put our minds to it, especially items that we can make out of fur such as muskox.
However, Mr. Speaker, I think we have to realize we do have renewable resources out there. Realizing it is Halloween and all -- and this is not part of my costume for this evening -- but I think it is important if we have the initiative to do something with different products and try different things that we can. I think in this case, Mr. Floyd Sydney of Sachs Harbour has shown me we can make products such as ties and we can even make underwear with fur products.
-- Laughter
We should take the time to consider those types of endeavours. With that, Mr. Speaker, I will ask the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development what he is doing to ensure we consider these initiatives and we maybe consider financing some of these projects.
-- Applause
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Support For The Secondary Fur Industry
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko for explaining that. I thought it was your beard.
-- Laughter
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Support For The Secondary Fur Industry
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
A little long in the tooth there. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .
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The Need For An Nwt-based Tannery
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 541
Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when our people have animal hides they want tanned, they have a choice. They can either try to do it themselves or they can send the hide out of the Northwest Territories to be tanned. I have always felt that we should have an NWT-based tannery for our people. There are thousands of muskox in Sachs Harbour where Mr. Floyd Sydney sent the hide from. Where do they send their hides? They send their hides south.
There is a history in the North Slave where I come from where we have had tanning hides, tanneries, private tanneries and we have had training facilities where there no longer is training for tanning. We have had people like internationally known D'Arcy Moses who could use northern tanned hides for fashion creations. We have many aboriginal women in the North who are making garments with tanned hides such as Berna Beaulieu, Alice Sangris-Wifladt and Karen Wright-Fraser, to name a few. Would it not be economically sound to have a northern-based tannery? There are many cottage industry northern workers who could use the benefits of northern tanneries.
In the past, there have been concerns raised about the environment in using conventional tanning methods. However, it is good to know there are new environmentally friendly tanning processes developed. The demand for leather products is still there. The fashion industry uses leather for shoes, coats, belts, gloves and neck ties. There is also sheared fur. That is another trend gaining popularity in the North.
Mr. Speaker, we have prime examples in the Legislative Assembly of the use of tanned hides, such as the vest I am wearing and the jacket Mr. Krutko is wearing.
What we need in the North is a real plan for a tannery that can train and employ people in our communities. We have been concentrating on oil and gas and diamonds and we have been moving away from the traditional economic lifestyles that we have had in the past. I will have questions for the Minister later on this subject, Mr. Speaker.
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The Need For An Nwt-based Tannery
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .
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Wishes For A Safe And Bountiful Halloween
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we leave this month behind and start a new tomorrow, I would like to take this opportunity to wish the children of Range Lake and all of the North a very safe and bountiful Halloween evening.
Mr. Speaker, one of my constituents experiencing this age-old tradition of Halloween for the first time in Canada is a family of my cousin and his two children. With the busy
schedule I have had the last week or so, I have not had a chance to explain to my niece and nephew, who are two and four, the meaning of trick or treating and goblins and ghosts and so on but I expect to be able to do that tonight, as I will be spending my evening with them and hope to meet the children of Range Lake as they come to our door.
Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if they will believe me because while they were planning to move to Yellowknife, I had assured them that by October 31st, we would be experiencing very, very cold weather and in all of my 23 years, I am not sure if we have had a Halloween as warm as this. I might have a little difficulty explaining everything but I do look forward to being in my riding. I also want to tell the people that I will be in number 1 Ward Crescent, which is right across from the stop sign from Wal-Mart.
If any of my constituents want to talk to me about what has transpired in the House in the last couple of weeks, I will be there until at least nine o'clock and I do hope to talk to my constituents.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to close wishing everyone a very safe and happy Halloween. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Ms. Lee . We can expect treats when we knock on your door? Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Appreciation For The Support And Confidence Of Colleagues
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to thank this Legislature and the Members in it for the confidence they have placed in me this morning. I will do my utmost to do the job that I have been given as best it can be done. I would just like to point out that this has been a long process, as has been mentioned before. I think the fact that we are here today ready to move on with the business of government is a demonstration of how consensus government works. It may not be perfect. It may not be without its warts and wrinkles but I believe it is an effective form of government and I would like to thank everybody. I look forward to continuing to work with everyone. Thank you.
-- Applause
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .
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Membership In The Governor General's Curling Club Of Canada
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 542
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to speak on a part of my life that was very important to me before I became a Member of this Legislative Assembly.
As most of you know, Mr. Speaker, curling was a very big part of my life and I put in a lot of years playing the sport and also coaching and encouraging younger people to take up the sport. My accomplishments in curling have not been all that great but the rewards that I have received from the sport of curling have been quite amazing.
Mr. Speaker, in 1998, for example, I was nominated to represent Canada in a tour of Scotland along with 39 other Canadians to curl in a competition called the Strathcona Cup. I was over in Scotland for 28 days representing Canada and curling against Scottish teams. I am proud to say, Mr. Speaker, that at that time we won the Strathcona Cup for Canada.
About two months ago, Mr. Speaker, I was nominated for membership in the Governor General of Canada's curling club. The Governor General's Curling Club of Canada has only 100 members Canada-wide and it was quite an honour, Mr. Speaker, for me to be nominated to that curling club for my achievements and my input into the sport of curling.
In the recent events in the House, I was uncertain as to whether I was going to take a trip to Ottawa to receive the membership into this curling club. The membership is being presented on November 2nd, which is Friday. Now that things have been settled in the House, I want to inform the House and my constituents at home that I will be absent from this House for the next couple of days. I have decided to go to Ottawa and receive the membership in the Governor General's Curling Club of Canada. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
-- Applause
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Congratulations, Mr. Delorey . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .
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GNWT Role In Crime Prevention
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about the Government of the Northwest Territories' role in supporting by-law enforcement and crime prevention in the communities.
Mr. Speaker, it is one of the stated roles of the Department of Justice to increase the capacity, role, scope and impact of communities in addressing their own justice issues. This is a very worthy goal, Mr. Speaker. However, Mr. Speaker, the community constable program has seen its funding decreased to zero this year, according to the main estimates of the Department of Justice.
This decrease to zero is presumably the result of the community constable pilot project coming to an end. This program was jointly funded by the federal government and according to the RCMP web page on the InterNorth site, the program has been a success in the North. The web page goes on to state that we are a role model for the south in this area. Mr. Speaker, this program was a success and I would like to know if the Department of Justice has taken steps to set up this program permanently.
Mr. Speaker, as the honourable Members are aware, the main funding for by-law officers for communities traditionally comes from the Department of MACA under community block funding agreements. Block funding arrangements tend to lead to situations where communities are forced to make difficult decisions with ever decreasing amounts of funding.
Mr. Speaker, at the present time, communities are forced to make decisions as to whether to hire by-law officers or recreation workers. They know that they cannot afford both. Yet there are ever increasing incidents of vandalism and crime in our communities, Mr. Speaker, and without specific focus on crime prevention at the community level, these crime levels will continue to escalate. It is very important, Mr. Speaker, that the Department of Justice and MACA work closely together to ensure there is a coordinated effort on crime prevention and enforcement in our communities.
There is little point in the Department of Justice devoting so much in the way of resources -- community justice circles $733,000 in the current fiscal year -- if the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs does not give the communities sufficient resources to hire local enforcement officers. The community justice circles are in danger of sitting around in circles with nothing to do.
My understanding is that the RCMP is willing to help with training and facilities, Mr. Speaker, yet the communities struggle to find the funding for wages.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Mr. McLeod , your time for Member's statement has expired.
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask for consent to conclude.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Mr. McLeod , you may conclude.
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Mr. Speaker, the current budgets provided by the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs are simply not enough. It is time for a more integrated approach to community policing, Mr. Speaker. A more integrated approach that will lead to a more seamless and accountable delivery of community policing and program delivery. An approach that would see the Department of Justice take on a specific role of administering and providing community law enforcement, funding and program delivery in a close, working relationship with the existing community justice service and community governments.
In this way, communities will be able to see with certainty where responsibilities for local crime prevention and enforcement lie and take comfort from the fact that there is a continuum of law enforcement in place at all times. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. McLeod . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .
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Hallelujah Night At The Inuvik Community Lighthouse Church
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to speak on an event happening across the Territories as we have hit the end of the month, October 31st, traditionally known as Halloween.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to make one comment that in Inuvik, there is something slightly different than what is traditionally practiced. It is being practiced this year in the Inuvik Community Lighthouse Church. It is called Hallelujah Night.
This is an event that is put on for children from the community to take
part in activities that are safe and also promote a lighter hearted atmosphere than one that has traditionally been expressed through Halloween, that being evil spirits, Mr. Speaker, something that they try and encourage their children in a way that is somewhat different from the normal practice. I think it is an opportunity and it is open to the community. I hope they have a fun night as they will be having games. I believe the younger children will come dressed up as characters from Noah's Ark.
I wish them all the best in that. To all those that are partaking in the events of Halloween and trick and treating, I wish them a safe evening as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
-- Applause
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .
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NWT Physician Shortage
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise here today to talk a little bit about the sustainability of our health care system in the Northwest Territories and specifically about the physician shortage that we currently face. Members of the Social Programs Committee have had a recent presentation from the Northwest Territories Medical Association and we discussed the number of physicians that we currently have in the Northwest Territories and what it would require for us to get up to what they consider a full complement of physicians. Currently across the Territories, we have 51 physicians.
The numbers from the NWTMA would indicate that we need somewhere in the neighbourhood of 80 to 85 physicians just to provide basic services in the North.
Mr. Speaker, it is important to remember that that is simply talking about the number of physicians we need in the larger centres who would then fly into the smallest and remote communities to provide service, so we are not talking about permanent physicians even in the smallest communities. If we were to go there, we would need even further numbers.
Mr. Speaker, one number that is often analyzed when we look at jurisdictions in Canada to see whether or not we have adequate numbers of physicians is the national physician to population ratio. The average in Canada is 185 physicians to 100,000. Mr. Speaker, we have the worst ratio in the country in the Northwest Territories at 92 to 100,000 people. The problem with not having enough physicians is that the ones who are here are drastically overworked, Mr. Speaker, and that generally means that they are not willing to stick around very long with those kinds of conditions.
Mr. Speaker, locally in Yellowknife, we did move from fee for service to salary, which has provided some help to physicians but it has not seemed to help us in the area of recruitment numbers. We have a lot of work to do here, Mr. Speaker. I know the NWTMA provided the Department of Health with an MD resource plan and as of yet, has had no official response to this plan. They delivered it last February, I believe, so today in question period, I will have questions for the Minister of Health and will specifically ask him when he plans to respond to this resource plan. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .
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Yellowknife Homeless Coalition
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Charles Dent
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, homelessness has become a big issue across Canada and we are not immune here in the North. I think it is becoming more and more apparent to the casual observer walking through downtown Yellowknife that we have a growing problem. If you talk to the non-government organizations involved, the situation has indeed become critical.
Over the summer, Members may have heard a concern about emergency family housing and a request from the YWCA to have the Housing Corporation fund some additional units in Yellowknife. I would like to thank Minister Allen and the Housing Corporation for recently signing a contract with the YWCA for ongoing funding for an additional three emergency family housing units.
It is really important, Mr. Speaker, to hear the word "ongoing" in there because this is not just a one-year agreement. It is an ongoing agreement. For NGOs, that is the most critical issue. It is more critical, in some cases, than getting the amount of money that they asked for in the first place.
Mr. Speaker, I would also like to take this opportunity to congratulate the non-government organizations of Yellowknife and their partners in government who have been working together as the Homelessness Coalition and who have developed the Yellowknife Community Plan to Address Homelessness.
The coalition is made up of a broad cross-section of NGOs and government agencies. This type of cooperative effort is remarkable. It should be recognized and encouraged.
I am happy to see that some government departments have joined the initial small group to work together. It is only with this kind of coordinated approach that our resources are maximized to find real solutions to the homeless situation.
Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories needs to ensure a higher level of participation and more cross-departmental cooperation. Like other governments in Canada, we need to recognize the problem of homelessness and how it is growing. It has become so serious that I think we need to take a look at making a Minister responsible for homelessness in the Northwest Territories.
Mr. Speaker, later today I will take this opportunity to table the Yellowknife Community Plan to Address Homelessness, as developed by the Homelessness Coalition, dated July 1, 2001. The document was developed following extensive community consultation and research. The plan consists of three primary components: first, community planning, capacity building and research; two, programs and services for the homeless; and three, housing capital projects.
Mr. Speaker, it is important to note that the federal government has agreed to fund this program over a three-year period but that three-year period is almost half finished.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Yellowknife Homeless Coalition
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Mr. Dent , you may conclude your statement.
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Charles Dent
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, honourable Members. Mr. Speaker, to date, no Government of the Northwest Territories funding has been committed to this specific plan over and above the existing programs and services, other than the three additional family units. The funds committed, for instance, to the Side Door project and other initiatives were from federal funds.
It has taken the coalition halfway through the federal three-year plan of the time allowed to use that federal funding just to get to this point because they do not have the capacity to move this forward. They require support and buy-in from this government to pursue this as vigorously as is necessary.
One way we could participate better is to make sure that we have complete cooperation with the group by having membership there. Currently, while some departments are members, the Housing Corporation maintains only observer status on the coalition. The department should fully participate. Sending an individual as an observer does not give the coalition someone who can make decisions and commitments to the plan.
Mr. Speaker, I believe that our government needs to demonstrate its commitment to dealing with homelessness. We need a ministry and we are also going to need some money. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Yellowknife Homeless Coalition
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 544
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .
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Yellowknives Dene/diavik Participation Agreement And Scholarship Awards
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 544
Joe Handley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Friday, October 26, the Yellowknives Dene First Nation Diavik Participation Agreement Implementation Committee celebrated the launching of the committee and the official opening of their office. October 26 marks the one-year anniversary of the official signing of the participation agreement.
At the celebration, five graduates from the class of 2000 received secondary scholarships valued at $500 each. The five scholarship award recipients are Angela Beaulieu from N'dilo, Paul Betsina from N'dilo, Lonnie Erasmus from N'dilo, Pauline Mackenzie from N'dilo and Jason Tezetcheli from Dettah.
The scholarship award recipients must have completed grade 12 with an overall average of 65 percent and must be members of the Yellowknives Dene First Nation. They also must provide a transcript of their marks as part of the scholarship award. Diavik provides the scholarship fund as part of the participation agreement, Mr. Speaker.
I congratulate the scholarship recipients and wish them the very best in their studies. Thank you.
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Page 545
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .
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Challenges Facing New Cabinet Member
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 545
Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak on the election this morning. I would like to congratulate Mr. Miltenberger on his election and subsequent appointment to Cabinet. I believe Mr. Miltenberger knows very well the way we feel on this side of the House and the issues that are facing the North and I look forward to working with him in addressing those issues.
One of the issues that is on the furthest point of our mind is the Department of Health and Social Services and the recommendations resulting from the Cuff report. I encourage the Premier and Cabinet that they seriously consider Mr. Miltenberger to be placed in that portfolio, as I believe Mr. Miltenberger has a strong desire to address the fundamental problems, Mr. Speaker. I look forward to working with him in that area if I can encourage the Premier in doing so. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Page 545
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Nitah . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .
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Public Consultation Methods Utilized By The GNWT
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 545
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Mr. Speaker, when the 14th Assembly was first elected and sat down in our first Caucus to look at what our ideas and our values and our priorities and our visions were going to be, we talked to some extent about communication. We set out in our vision document, Towards a Better Tomorrow, a certain way of expressing what we wanted to do. We said: "We will consider your input, build on the framework and develop a comprehensive action plan."
We say, Mr. Speaker, that we will be a more open and transparent government and in all aspects, we say to people that we want to hear from you, the public, the stakeholders in our society, in our economy.
What do we want to hear, Mr. Speaker? Do we want confirmation only that we are doing the right thing? Do we want to hear from the public, the stakeholders that there is support for what we are doing and that there is only one way -- our way? Or are we prepared to hear more contrary or alternative viewpoints and give them the consideration and inclusion, Mr. Speaker, that they are due?
The dictionary defines consultation as to ask the advice or the opinion of, to deliberate together or confer. There is action and energy in the process. It is a two-way street, I would assert, Mr. Speaker.
I am particularly concerned about this government's consultation process and approach. The concern is illustrated in one citizen's comments in reference to a recent committee hearing, "My overall impression is one of a government that has quit consulting with its citizens. It announces and defends new initiatives. I feel stonewalled."
Mr. Speaker, we have seen the results of this approach with a couple of major pieces of legislation. We have a couple more big ones coming in, specifically the Human Rights Act and the Wildlife Act, that I know are going to be contentious and should be well-heard and well-debated.
Mr. Speaker, in looking at how this government has consulted on major initiatives, it is clear that a better understanding and process for consultation is needed.
Mr. Speaker, I ask for unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Mr. Braden , you may conclude your statement.
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Bill Braden
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is especially apparent in the reviews that are now underway in the Wildlife Act that there is consultation going on with only one side of the ownership and the management side of the Wildlife Act. This is where the department has put considerable funding into aboriginal consultation. There are other people in the Northwest Territories who deserve equal voice, Mr. Speaker. I hope we are learning and that we need to learn quickly so the government approaches initiatives in a more collaborative, inclusive and comprehensive manner. Our citizens are not part of the problem, Mr. Speaker.
They are part of the answer. Government needs to show that it is listening to all Northerners and should be responding accordingly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Page 545
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 545
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as has been stated by some Members here, I too am glad that the most recent
chapter in this Assembly has come to a close. There are many things that I am now looking forward to; the ability to speak to my constituents' issues on the floor of this House, not missing so many community events because of other travel commitments, spending more time with what is left of my family. My eldest son married this summer and lives in Edmonton now. My second son, Jeffrey, who was supposed to be in college this fall, has actually gone to Kiev in the Ukraine in Eastern Europe as a volunteer missionary.
Thankfully, I still have one little person at home and with her recent election to student council, I need to get home to re-establish my political presence before she takes over the town.
Mr. Speaker, I also look forward to reconnecting with friends and constituents and having a relaxed time without the pressure of knowing that I will be catching an airplane the next day. I know that it will also be a relief for my husband, who has had to do double duty during the past two years. The role of Regular Members and Cabinet Minister is quite distinctively different and there are advantages to both and some disadvantages. I look forward to the ability to speak to many issues and speak to the issues of the government from a different perspective now. Thank you so much.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 546
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this time, I would like to take the opportunity to recognize Katie Garrison. She has been a page in the House for the last week. I want to thank her for coming over and representing Hay River in the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Page 546
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South ...Centre...Frame Lake. It is that full moon. Mr. Dent .
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Question 172-14(4): Growing Homeless Problem In The Nwt
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
Charles Dent
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier of the Northwest Territories following up on my Member's statement earlier today. Many other jurisdictions in Canada, both provincial and particularly the federal government, recognize the growing problem of homelessness. Will the Premier recognize that problem is also a problem in the Northwest Territories and designate one of his Ministers responsible for the issue of homelessness?
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Page 546
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Dent . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Premier .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the suggestion made by the Member and consider it. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Premier . Supplementary, Mr. Dent .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
Charles Dent
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Premier agreeing to consider the suggestion and recognize he may want to discuss this with his Cabinet colleagues. Could he give me a timetable for when he may be able to conclude that consideration? Would it be one week, one month? What sort of timetable are we going to look at before we hear the response?
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Dent . The honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Perhaps I could commit before the beginning of the next session. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Premier . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .
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Question 173-14(4): Physician Resource Plan
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today, as I had indicated earlier, is for the Minister of Health and Social Services , Minister Antoine . It is about the resource plan, the MD resource plan that was submitted to his department by the Northwest Territories Medical Association. They published it last February and to date have had no official response from the department. I am wondering if Mr. Antoine can tell me when he plans to respond to this resource plan officially. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Antoine .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the physicians resource plan that was tabled last February has gone to the department and it calls for the need for additional physicians across the Northwest Territories. The plan assumes -- last February that the current model for provision of health care service would continue but since that time, we have gone through the Cuff report and the aftermath of it. The previous Minister has been working hard with the department to put together an action plan as a result of consultations from the results of the Cuff report and the consultation that followed.
So the determination of the number of physicians that are required would depend on a number of different factors and largely based on the delivery model and sustainability of the health care system.
So at the current time, there is an overall look by the department to look at the whole health delivery system. It is in the mix at this point in time. Once we have a better idea of the draft action plan going through the Cabinet system and thus given to the Ordinary Members, that would be the step to take at that point in time. It is going to take some time. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Bell .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 546
Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can appreciate that an action plan is being developed and we decide what type of service delivery model we will use, but clearly we are so far behind in the physician to population ratio -- in fact, the worst in the country -- that this is really an emergency. I do not think the answer that this is really going to take some time is appropriate. We do not have time, Mr. Speaker. I am wondering if the Minister will acknowledge that indeed we have to address recruiting more physicians very quickly and we really do not have time to wait any longer. Thank you.
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Page 547
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Antoine .
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Page 547
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand the urgency of this matter. I will take the concerns of the honourable Member and speak with the officials in the Department of Health and Social services and see where we could take this urgent matter for more physicians in the Northwest Territories at this point in time. Thank you.
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Page 547
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for the Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .
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Question 174-14(4): Crime Prevention In NWT Communities
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 547
Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier I spoke about the issue of by-law enforcement and the escalating crime rates and prevention in the communities and it was hard to decipher which Minister is responsible and who I should direct my concerns and my questions to. This issue does not recognize lines between the Departments of Justice and MACA. I will direct my question to MACA, however, because it is my understanding that they are the funding source to the communities for the positions of by-law officers.
In light of the statistics that are coming out regarding crime and the escalating crime rates, what are he and his department doing to assist communities to enable them to hire by-law officers? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 547
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Allen .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we can continue to fund the municipalities for by-law enforcement. I believe they are now called protection officers. The level of funding, I am not certain of. It has been a constant problem in the communities to provide certain protective services. Again, we need to review some of the community budgets, which we have begun in some communities, to see where we can improve that level of service. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. McLeod .
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, as this issue is something that does not recognize any boundaries, it crosses over many departments that may view having this responsibility, I would like to ask the Minister if he is working with any other departments to develop a coordinated approach to deal with the issues of crime prevention and by-law enforcement, specifically the Department of Justice?
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Allen .
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I must be fairly constant in my answer and I must say that no, we have not at this point. We have not been working with the Department of Justice. It is two different areas of the judicial that I am not familiar with. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. McLeod .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 547
Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my riding, I believe there is only one community that has a community constable and no other communities can afford a by-law officer. I believe the community that has the community constable is struggling to find funding sources. I would like to ask the Minister if his department assists any communities in the North with salary dollars to hire by-law officers or community constables? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Allen .
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, there are some municipalities that do receive funding for protection services. How the communities administer that fund is entirely in their budget process and their administration but there is some funding to provide for protection services. To what degree, I am not familiar with.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. McLeod .
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The funding the Minister is speaking about is rolled into a general revenue fund. It is up to the community to decide what the priorities are. Many times they are forced to decide between a recreation worker, a water treatment plant worker, town foreman or a by-law officer. I would like to ask if this Minister is intending to increase the funding specifically geared towards by-law officers?
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Allen .
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this point, I think all departments are under severe pressure and constant pressure, I might add, to review several budgetary items. I am sure each department, including my responsibility as Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , will review and see how we can lead the municipalities into trying to reprioritize some of their important administration. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .
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Question 175-14(4): GNWT Legislative Consultation Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 548
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Mr. Speaker, in my statement, I discussed aspects of a communication and consultation process. I would like to put a couple of questions to the Premier in his capacity as Minister responsible for the Executive and performing a coordination function for the government overall. I would like to ask, Mr. Speaker, does the government have a policy that prescribes the consultation process on legislative initiatives? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take that question as notice and get back to the Member.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Premier . The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .
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Question 176-14(4): Establishing An NWT Tannery
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Page 548
Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of RWED , the Honourable Joe Handley . Mr. Speaker, fur is one of the first economic resources in the Northwest Territories. This was used by the early traders and to this day, we are still sending our fur south. A fashion and traditional arts business in Fort Simpson, Nats'enelu Limited, has to buy their leather from the south and they also have scrounge around for moose hides. I would like to ask the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development if he can look into establishing a fur and hide tannery in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Handley .
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I heard the Nats'enelu people talking about the need to have more northern tanned hides available. RWED would be very interested in any proposal to establish a tannery.
In fact, we have tried it in the past on a number of occasions. People want fur and hides that are tanned in a traditional way and it is a very labour-intensive way of doing it. However, if there is a good proposal, I would be interested. In fact, I am asking RWED to talk to Nats'enelu about what the possibilities might be. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .
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Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if he could look back at a project that was in place a number of years ago in the tannery areas and see if it would be feasible to reintroduce some of those training programs? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Handley .
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Yes, Mr. Speaker, in about '94 or '96, somewhere in that period, RWED -- or Renewable Resources at that time -- did start a tannery program here using very simple basic materials, but materials that would help make it easier than the traditional way of tanning in order to attract more people into it. We had trained a number of people and then the interest seemed to die away. There were not a lot of people who were willing and ready to take training or devote themselves to this very strenuous task of tanning hides. If there is a renewed interest in doing that, then we are very definitely interested in it. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .
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Question 177-14(4): Promoting Fur Trade And Products
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 548
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too have a question for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development in a similar area of questioning with regard to trying to find programs to enhance the fur industry, the craft side of it; beaded jackets, muskox ties and also people who are in the cottage industry of making slippers and other crafts like fur pants. There is the quality of craftsmanship out there, but we do not seem to be doing much by way of assisting them through program dollars, resources. We assist in the diamond industry. We assist with training for oil and gas.
I think we have to start looking at a program specifically designed for the fur industry. I would like to ask the Minister, are you looking at any new initiatives to establish a program on its own to assist the cottage industry dealing with fur products?
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Handley .
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I take the Member's concerns very seriously because the traditional economy is very important to many of our people. I think producing northern products from fur and other northern materials is more than just an economic activity. It is cultural. We have, through the NWT Development Corporation and RWED, undertaken a number of areas of support, Mr. Speaker. We are still working on opening Tuktoyaktuk and Aklavik fur shops. There are discussions going on with the Development Corporation right now. Dene Fur Cloud is in operation.
The Nats'enelu do their own marketing and are showing a great deal of promise. In fact, D'Arcy Moses just returned recently from a trip to Germany with the Governor General where he is promoting northern products, aboriginal products. The Arctic Canada Trading is moving some fur but not large amounts. So there are a number of initiatives and if there are interests in communities and if the projects seem viable, then definitely -- either through RWED or through the NWT Development Corporation -- we are interested. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is a segment of our population that has some very unique skills and I think we have to build on that, especially with respect to crafts and being able to produce things and also being able to promote it. Mr. Speaker, I am looking more in line of what they have done in the Eastern Arctic and how they are able to take a segment of their economy, especially the seal harvesting aspect, and they have been able to go miles with that.
That is one of the areas where I think we as a government can also consider maybe adopting a similar process to deal with fur products, like how they were able to deal with the seal products. Has the Minister had a chance to meet with his colleagues from the east to see if that program can be adopted here in the west?
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Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Handley .
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Mr. Speaker, I have talked very generally with my colleagues in Nunavut on this issue. I am going to Nunavut some time in mid-November and will certainly make a point of following up on that at that time. Thank you.
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Tony Whitford
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister, through his Department of RWED, met with the federal government in trying to look at the new economic development agreement and ensuring that we have a program specifically designed to assist the fur cottage industry in the Northwest Territories?
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Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Handley .
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Mr. Speaker, my department, RWED, has been working very hard in trying to negotiate an economic development agreement with the federal government over the past two years and they continue that effort. The traditional economy is very much a piece of that economic development agreement, if we are successful in negotiating one. I agree with the Member, it is an important part of our economy. We cannot get too focused on oil and gas and diamonds and forget that piece. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to put a challenge out to the Minister to show me physically that he really supports this industry. I would like him to wear this tie for a day in this House just to show us that he really supports the fur industry.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . In the light of the day, yes, Minister Handley , you may or may not answer that question.
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Mr. Speaker, I would be very pleased to wear that necktie. Next Halloween would probably be appropriate. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment in that whole area of the department, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, many, many people in the Northwest Territories are very worried about their languages. Many people in the communities are very short. There are no day cares available, Mr. Speaker. There are educational opportunities for adult education. There are employment opportunities for single or young parents that want to work but cannot because there are no babysitters or day cares.
I would like to ask the Minister a question in that area. There are elders in our communities. There are language requirements. Has the Minister and his department ever considered using elders as day care providers so that they could speak their languages right in the day care to kids aged six months to five years old, when they could learn the most? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Nitah . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member has a suggestion of using seniors for day care programs. Some time ago, a federal program was made available to us, Mr. Speaker, to work seniors and those over the age -- I believe it was 50 to about the age of 60 back into the workforce. We decided that we would advertise that particular program and funding availability for that. A number of school divisions took advantage of that and are employing those individuals within the school system. I believe there is a total of about 17. This is the type of program that communities could look at as a possibility.
For the past year, the funding may have already been committed, but I believe if we approve a budget in the coming year, there may be possibilities next year in that whole area. It is federal transfer money, Mr. Speaker, and I believe it is available for about a two-year period. Thank you.
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am familiar with the program that the Minister has referred to, which is a federal program. I am speaking about a brand new program for the Northwest Territories that could be resourced by this government. I am speaking about elders providing day care for kids who are not in school, Mr. Speaker, so that day care could be provided so that young parents could have time to go to school or go to work while the elders gain employment and speak their traditional language to the kids between six months and five years old possibly. That is what I am speaking about. Can the Minister look into creating facilities and resources in this manner? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Nitah . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we did approve an early childhood development plan several months ago. It is a $2 million program per year to look at the support for young children between the ages of birth and six, by the time they get into school. One of the plans in that was language nests and that could be an area that, certainly if communities felt it appropriate, that seniors, elders and those with language skills could come into the program. We do have and we are encouraging and part of the program is to address the language issue for young children.
I think the Member has a very good point in what he is bringing forward here. We do need to concentrate on this and we do feel that we already have the mechanism. It may need a bit of refining in that area. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah .
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had vaguely indicated that there might be room for refinement in this program. I strongly encourage him to look directly at that area as an opportunity to employ elders, as an opportunity to have day cares in our communities and as an opportunity for kids to learn the different languages that we have in the Northwest Territories. That is a specific area of childhood development. Does that plan that was approved a couple of months ago have that component in it, Mr. Speaker?
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Thank you, Mr. Nitah . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The plan that was approved some time ago has a number of components to it, Mr. Speaker. As I said, one of the components was the development of a language nest, whereby young children would join their parents and others to look at the language restitution and development, Mr. Speaker. We feel that is the start of a good program in dealing with community problems for young children but additionally it may prove -- naturally, we have to be concerned about the available funding that we have and we have to live within that at the moment. Certainly it can be the start of a concerted program in communities. Thank you
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Nitah .
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can I get a commitment from the Minister in this House today that he will encourage his department to look at the viability of day cares run by elders for kids who are not in school as of yet so that their parents can free up their time to go to adult education or to go to work? That is all I am asking for, Mr. Speaker, a commitment.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we already have a commitment, Mr. Speaker, in terms of a great deal of funding going into the Early Childhood Development Plan. That is an area we are moving forward to. In addition to the plan itself, I have asked my officials to do an inventory of individuals and identify the qualifications in communities to handle such areas as day care supervision, other possibilities, Mr. Speaker, and other qualifications in other areas.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .
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Question 179-14(4): Ice Crossings In The Mackenzie Delta
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question would be directed to the Minister responsible for Transportation . On a yearly basis at this time of year, as the Delta starts to freeze over as winter sets in, the ferry crossings are removed and costs start to climb in communities as more and more goods are flown in. There are many new residents in the community of Inuvik nowadays, Mr. Speaker. For that purpose, I would like to have the Minister state the duration the ferry will be out before the crossings are normally in place. Thank you.
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Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation, Mr. Steen .
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the plan at this point in time is for the work on the crossing to take place as soon as the ice is strong enough to hold the equipment. A lot of this depends on the weather, of course, as the Member knows. The department is not expecting there to be any delays other than for the weather. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is an issue that I raised with the Minister in the past about equipment to encourage or speed up the process of ice crossing building. I would like to know if his department has had a chance to possibly bring up some equipment that would speed up that process.
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Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation, Mr. Steen .
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department was working on a plan to use spray equipment to speed up the thickness of the crossings. We are working on that plan in relation to the oil and gas industry's demand for early use of the crossings.
The conversations we have had with the oil and gas industry resulted in them saying they did not see a need on their part for an earlier opening of the crossing. However, the department is still considering whether we are going to put that into use anyway. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope in fact that does proceed, as the cost of living to normal residents is quite high at this time of the year. My question, further to this issue, is the department finding that the weather patterns this winter, for example, will shorten or lengthen the period between when the ferry is pulled out and the crossings put in? Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Roland . It is a difficult question. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation, Mr. Steen .
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have the comparison information right now as to when the highway crossing closed last year versus this year or the year before. I do believe it is very, very close to normal at this point. I believe that the information I was given for expectation of opening of the crossing would be about the 20th of November. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Roland .
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that. He did state earlier they were still considering using the ice water spraying to increase the thickness of the ice crossings sooner. Will that be done this winter or is that for future years? Thank you.
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the plan was to put it in use this year, depending on whether or not we could partner with the oil and gas industry on this because there is a price tag of $50,000 attached to this project. We would have to find it from within if we could not share costs with the oil and gas industry.
At the present time, indications are the oil and gas industry is satisfied with just waiting for a normal ice crossing because I was told it does not affect their operation at this point. So whether we put it in place this year or not will depend on whether we can find funding from within.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for the Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .
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Question 180-14(4): Funding For Community Policing Programs
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for Justice . I am sure the Minister is aware of the situation regarding crime rates in the North. We are seeing an increase in public damage, public mischief. We are quickly beginning to realize there are not resources in the communities to deal with that.
As it has been indicated in the media, the RCMP are already resourced to the max. They do not believe they have enough resources to deal with all the different levels of crime that are happening in our communities. In some cases, there is a reluctance from the RCMP to deal with by-laws, resulting in some of the community councils not passing by-laws that maybe they should, such as helmet by-laws, snowmobile by-laws.
I am not seeing any increase in dollars being allocated or earmarked towards by-law programs or policing programs. This concerns me. As a former mayor, I know full well that it is not realistic for the Department of MACA to expect the community to make a choice with the scarce resources they have on hand, between a by-law officer and another position.
It also concerned me that the federal program earmarked towards community constables has sunsetted. Although there is some money for next year there is no money for this year. I would like to know if the Minister is considering designing a program or rolling in an existing program, such as the Community Constable Program, into a By-Law Officer Program that would include by-law officer funding? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Justice, Mr. Antoine .
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the whole question of policing and public safety is a concern to all of us. We have known for some time that there is a need for more resources to go to the RCMP and other plans, including the Community Constable Program, which is our attempt to try to deal with this issue not only through the RCMP but through our own resources and other initiatives, along with the RCMP help.
There is coordination going on between the RCMP and the different departments in this government, namely the Departments of Justice and MACA. There is going to be a continued look at a plan that the RCMP put forward asking for the type of resources that they are required to do, the type of policing and public safety that is required in the North.
The by-law officer, the by-laws in the communities, that is something that the Department of Justice has to work on with the Department of MACA. I think there is an attempt there through the Community Constable Program to do that. We were just informed on September 21st, this last month, that the federal solicitor general advised that there is additional funding for this year as well as next year. Federal money is going to flow to this Community Constable Program. How we do it, we need suggestions from yourself as well as word from the RCMP and the Department of MACA and the Department of Justice to try to realize the type of resources we have the best we can. Thank you.
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if he would assure myself, Members of this House and people in the communities that although I am very glad to hear that there are additional resources in terms of dollars being earmarked for the Community Constable Program, I am not quite satisfied. I do not have the comfort that it will include by-law officers. I think it is a little bit two different parts of the same concept. I would like to ask the Minister if he could give me the reassurance that he will include the by-law officer salaries or funding for by-law officers as part of this federal program that is coming out, or he will attempt to.
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