Debates of April 30th, 1999

This is page numbers 471 - 489 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was education .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Year 2000 Status Report

Community Recreation Leader Development

Hay River Parents' Concerns Regarding The Education System

Meeting To Discuss Highway 3 Reconstruction

Yellowknife Constituency Meeting Issues

Mothers Day Wishes

Appointment Of Board Members To The NWT Development Corporation

Court Decision Regarding Possession Of Child Pornography

Return To Oral Question 119-13(7): Closure Of White Rock, Bc Outlet Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd.

Return To Oral Question 121-13(7): Closure Of Calgary Outlet Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd.

Return To Oral Question 124-13(7): Closure Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. - Retail Stores

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Establishment Of Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services

Government Position On Bc Child Pornography Case

Crisis In Education System In Nwt

Application Of Yukon Oil And Gas Act

Retroactive Payments Of Northern Allowance

Microfiching Government Documents

Small Claims Court Procedures

Special Needs Students

Alternative Mining Technology

Evaluation Of Diamond Mining Proposals

Trespassing Legislation

Written Question 5-13(7): Cost Of Paper Products For Legislative Assembly Operations

Tabled Document 37-13(7): Year 2000 Status Report

Tabled Document 38-13(7): Minister's Forum Letter

Extended Adjournment

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Territorial-wide Tests And Evaluation Scheme For Grade Eleven Core Subjects (ece)

Examination Of The Role And Mandate Of The Languages Commissioner

Departmental Coordination To Develop Common Computer Systems And Platforms

Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 471

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Schauerte. Good morning. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 55-13(7): Year 2000 Status Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 471

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, later today, I will table a report on progress in Government of the Northwest Territories Year 2000 Initiative.

As my honourable colleagues may be aware, the Year 2000 problem, sometimes referred to as Y2K or the millennium bug, is a potentially serious issue that can affect microprocessors in many types of equipment. Computers are the most obvious target of this bug, but other systems such as controls for buildings' mechanical systems, medical equipment or vehicles may also be affected.

The Government of the Northwest Territories has taken this problem very seriously. Work began back in 1996 to evaluate the potential impact and to develop a strategy to deal with it. Given the distributed nature of many of the Government of the Northwest Territories information technology systems, and the wide variety of other systems that may be affected, each department was asked to develop a plan to address its specific needs. The Financial Management Board Secretariat coordinates this work.

I am pleased to report that significant progress has been made in tackling this problem. Eighty-one percent of the Government of the Northwest Territories major computer systems, systems that keep this government functioning on a daily basis, have been evaluated and corrected. Also, 85 percent of the personal computers currently in use have been evaluated and are ready for the Year 2000. The local area networks that allow our computers to communicate with one another have also been evaluated and 83 percent are Year 2000 compliant.

Systems with embedded chips pose a particular problem. It is often not obvious where embedded chips are in use. Of the embedded systems identified to date, fully 98 percent have been identified and deemed to be Year 2000 compliant. Efforts in this area continue.

This report provides much more information on both the nature of the problem and the work that has been done so far. It is this government's intent to make this information available to the public, and to any other parties who may have an interest in our Year 2000 efforts. It is the nature of such a project that this information will change, virtually on a daily basis. This report will be updated monthly to keep it current. Copies of the report are available from the Financial Management Board Secretariat, or on the Government of the Northwest Territories Website.

It is important to recognize that the Year 2000 problem is enormous in scope and has no precedent. As a result, it is impossible to guarantee that every single eventuality can be addressed through this initiative. It is our intent to ensure that our most important services are not interrupted by this problem. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 55-13(7): Year 2000 Status Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 471

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Ministers' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Minister's Statement 56-13(7): Community Recreation Leader Development

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 471

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the week of April 12-18, the Town of Inuvik hosted the NWT Recreation and Parks Association annual general meeting and meetings of community recreation leaders.

What was satisfying about these two events was that most communities in the NWT were represented. Fourteen of the community recreation leaders present were aboriginal Northerners and an additional nine were long term Northerners. Most of these leaders were educated at the Recreation Leaders' Program at Aurora College.

Mr. Speaker, these numbers demonstrated a strong point. For 12 years, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and Aurora College have partnered in the delivery of the Recreation Leaders Program. Seventy-one students have graduated and many are working on the job and continue to contribute. Of these graduates, most are Northerners who have learned the value of a good education. They are now contributing to the positive development of our communities through their sport and recreation services.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate our partners, Aurora College, in this initiative and make special note of the contribution that has been made by other groups such as the NWT Recreation and Parks Association, Sport North and the NWT community governments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 56-13(7): Community Recreation Leader Development

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 472

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 144-13(7): Hay River Parents' Concerns Regarding The Education System

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 472

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I tabled in the House a letter addressed to the Honourable Michael Miltenberger from a parent focus group in Hay River. This group of concerned citizens mobilized because they were so concerned about the impact of government cutbacks on educational programming. They are just now in the midst of completing their work. They are compiling the results of parents' concerns through the use of questionnaires and a telephone survey. Although the results are not concluded at this time, they note that, and I quote, "it is obvious that the concerns are not isolated to a few parents."

I further quote from their letter:

How long does the government plan to ignore what the taxpayers are telling them? We are not happy with the slash and burn approach to reduce educational spending. Large class size increases the stress for students, teachers and parents, which directly affects student's learning. The implementation of inclusive schooling, which is the integration of special needs students into a regular classroom without sufficient support and resources cannot continue.

The consequences of the careless and short-sighted education cuts affect our whole community. We have high levels of dropouts and too many young people with insufficient skills to help them survive in the workplace. When will the government realize that money spent wisely on education will give our youth the skills that they need to be productive contributors to society and as a result will reduce the government's expenditures on social programs.

Mr. Speaker, I fully understand the frustration and anger of parents who are rightfully concerned about the education of their children. The dire needs in education are not an illusion or a perception, they are real. These parents in Hay River and others are not asking the government to solve the problems by themselves, they are willing to do what they can to help arrive at solutions. I believe them when they say that they will pursue these issues as long as it takes to get results.

I applaud and thank them for their efforts and I encourage other communities to form similar focus groups to demand action from this government in the area of education. Later today, I will be questioning the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment further on what direction he will be taking on these serious matters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 144-13(7): Hay River Parents' Concerns Regarding The Education System

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 472

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 145-13(7): Meeting To Discuss Highway 3 Reconstruction

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 472

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform this House of a meeting that will take place this afternoon, here in the Legislative Assembly. This meeting is very unique because it has members of the Rae-Edzo Hamlet and the Band Council together with the city of Yellowknife, the N'dilo Band Council, Dettah Council, myself and my colleagues from Yellowknife.

The main focus of this historic event will be discussions on how we as a group can help our government in accelerating the highway 3 construction. I believe this is a very important issue and by having this unique group coming together as one united body is a testament of the importance of this highway. This is the first time ever that this group has assembled and I am hoping to have very positive discussions on this and other important items that have our combined interests. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 145-13(7): Meeting To Discuss Highway 3 Reconstruction

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 472

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 146-13(7): Yellowknife Constituency Meeting Issues

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 472

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier this week, on Tuesday evening, Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Henry and I held a joint constituency meeting. I would like to briefly summarize some of the issues that constituents raised: Education funding, people are concerned about the lack of dollars in this year's budget. They urged us to try to find additional monies for education. On the budget, people are concerned that our $34 million surplus is being used this year and they are concerned what will happen next year.

Constituents told us that over the last two years they have tolerated reduced spending on key public services because they believed it was important to have a balanced budget for division. But now, with the budget balanced and our surplus committed, there are no spare funds in the bank for after next year.

As our population continues to grow, programs in Education, Health and Social Services are already underfunded now. What will the future bring? Clearly, we need to continue our efforts in finding new revenues. Royalties from resource developments are one possible source.

The government provides funds to these organizations. It is also a major referral agent, directing individuals to these organizations for counselling, emergency care and work placements. It would seem to me that it is in our best interest to work at ensuring stability and success in program delivery.

I would like to see the government do a review of how it funds non-profit organizations and how both the government and the non-profit organizations can better meet the public's needs. These were some of the issues. Another issue included the Highway 3 acceleration, and the situation at Giant Mine. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 146-13(7): Yellowknife Constituency Meeting Issues

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 473

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 147-13(7): Mothers Day Wishes

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 473

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we will be recessing this afternoon, I understand, and we will not be back until May 10, 1999. Since Mother's Day is May 9, 1999, I would like to take this opportunity to wish all the mothers in my riding, young and old, a happy Mothers Day. In particular, my wife and my daughter Tina. We all know the amount of work mothers go through and the contributions they make to the family. We should all be encouraging our children to be good to our mothers on that particular day. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 147-13(7): Mothers Day Wishes

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 473

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 148-13(7): Appointment Of Board Members To The NWT Development Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 473

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about appointing board members to the NWT Development Corporation. Mr. Speaker, yesterday the honourable Minister responsible for the Development Corporation had indicated that I was twisting what I had read in Hansard late at night about who was responsible for the appointment of board members to the Development Corporation and why board members had not been appointed since 1996.

I just wanted to indicate that what I was trying to do was to get a clear indication from the Minister that it was his responsibility to ensure that there were enough board members on that corporation. To date we have not had that. I wanted to indicate, for everyone to see, exactly where he has tried to lay the blame or avoid his responsibility. Mr. Speaker, on page 521 of Friday, April 23, 1999, Hansard, the Minister inferred that it was because of division that he had not had seven board members. On Monday, on page 554, he had inferred that the Auditor General said that it was okay.

On Monday, on page 555, he blamed it on his staff. On Tuesday, page 608, he said that it was the MLAs fault. Again on Tuesday, page 608, he indicated that it was Cabinet's fault. Who is next on the list, the paper boy?

Mr. Speaker, has it ever occurred to the honourable Minister, as I am sure it has to others, that perhaps, if he had appointed board members when his president advised him to, the Cabinet would not have thought that he had done such a poor job that they had to direct him to do an operational audit on the Development Corporation. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 148-13(7): Appointment Of Board Members To The NWT Development Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 473

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 149-13(7): Court Decision Regarding Possession Of Child Pornography

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 473

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in January of this year, there was a landmark BC Supreme Court ruling that may have a detrimental effect in keeping our children safe from sexual predators. In British Columbia, the Supreme Court struck down a

section of the criminal code that outlaws possession of child pornography, ruling that the law violates the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Mr. Speaker, it is only a matter of time before the production and sale of child pornography increases. Although this ruling only applies to British Columbia, unless there is a successful appeal, this ruling may have national implications. The sexual assault of children is a serious issue in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is protecting pedophiles from prosecution and yet, children are being sexually exploited in order to produce this material. Is this not a blatant infringement upon the rights and freedoms of our children? The Liberal Party first put forward a motion urging the Prime Minister to take immediate action to override this ruling. However, the federal government believes that the existing child pornography law is constitutional, therefore, it would have to reach the Supreme Court of Canada for a final decision.

Mr. Speaker, how should we balance equal protection of an individual versus freedom of expression? Children are entitled to equal protection from sexual exploitation yet, according to one court, pedophiles are entitled to possess this material. There is a serious imbalance in this supposed constitutional framework. Mr. Speaker, this decision must be challenged and corrected to ensure the proper protection that our children not only need, but deserve. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 149-13(7): Court Decision Regarding Possession Of Child Pornography

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 473

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Oral Question 119-13(7): Closure Of White Rock, Bc Outlet Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd.

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 473

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral questions asked by Mr. Morin on April 26, 1999, regarding the closure of White Rock, a BC outlet of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. As of April 30, 1999, Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. is no longer involved in any lease arrangements in White Rock, BC. A local business person, who operates another store in the White Rock area, known as Gallery 24, has taken over the lease. Her name is Lora Read. Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. is negotiating with her to continue to carry their product lines in her store.

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Return To Oral Question 121-13(7): Closure Of Calgary Outlet Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd.

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, next is a response asked by Mr. Erasmus on April 26, 1999, regarding a closure of the Calgary outlet of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. IMI Marketing is a company owned by Judy Greening. She was contracted by Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. to manage our operation in Calgary for a six-month term that ends on April 30, 1999. Her objective was to manage the retail store in Calgary, and to evaluate the markets in Calgary and Alberta in general, to see if there is sufficient business to warrant continuing operating in this area. Based on this review and our sales history over the past two years, the management of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. decided to close this store.

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Return To Oral Question 124-13(7): Closure Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. - Retail Stores

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 473

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in response to an oral question asked by Mr. Morin on April 26, 1999, on the closure of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. retail stores. On Monday, April 26th, Mr. Morin asked a question about my role in making decisions on the closing of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. retail outlets in southern Canada.

The decisions to close these retail outlets were based on sound business economics and the authority for making these decisions are within the jurisdiction of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. is a registered company in the Northwest Territories and has licences to operate in three Provinces of Canada - British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario.

It is true that under the Northwest Territories Development Corporation Act,

section 22(1) and

section 22(2), guidelines for the sale of shares or other interests are subject to the approval of the Financial Management Board. However, in these cases, where Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. has made a business decision to close the southern retail outlets because they were not making money, this does not fall under these provisions of the act. In fact, as a corporation, the Northwest Territories Development Corporation owns subsidiaries and interests in joint ventures and all of these subsidiaries and ventures are legally registered companies.

As such, the management of each company can make decisions on their operations. It is only when the Northwest Territories Development Corporation is divesting its shares or interests in these subsidiaries or ventures that

section 22 of the act comes into effect.

So in these circumstances, Financial Management Board approval was not sought as the authority and responsibility to make the business operating decisions are within the jurisdiction of the subsidiary company, in this case, Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. Thank you.

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Return To Oral Question 124-13(7): Closure Of Arctic Canada Trading Company Ltd. - Retail Stores

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 474

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 474

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure today to introduce several people in the gallery. They are very honoured visitors to Yellowknife. First I would like to introduce one of my constituents, Ms. Cal Smith. Ms. Smith is here today with her parents, Russ and Betty Smith, from Ottawa. Mr. Smith, is celebrating his 71st birthday tomorrow. Mr. Smith was a long-time civil servant for the Ontario and federal governments after he retired from the Canadian Air Force after serving 26 years.

What is interesting, Mr. Speaker, is that for the first time, the family has four generations visiting here in Yellowknife together. So it is a special occasion for Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Welcome to our gallery. Thank you.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Welcome to the gallery. I hope you enjoy your visit. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 161-13(7): Establishment Of Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 474

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . On the forum that he announced earlier this week, could he indicate how long he expects this process to take? Thank you.

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Question 161-13(7): Establishment Of Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 474

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .

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Return To Question 161-13(7): Establishment Of Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services

Question 161-13(7): Establishment Of Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 474

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I stated in my Minister's statement on that subject, I hope to have the forum members appointed in three weeks' time. We hope to have them out doing community consultations the first two to three weeks in June so that we can catch residents while they are still in their communities before the school season is over and many people go out on the land or on holidays. There will be a wrap-up in the fall, in October. We would be hoping to present a report to Cabinet, and this government possibly in October, if not to this government, to the next government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 161-13(7): Establishment Of Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services

Question 161-13(7): Establishment Of Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 474

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Supplementary To Question 161-13(7): Establishment Of Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services

Question 161-13(7): Establishment Of Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 474

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am sure I saw a letter go across my desk the other day asking for names to be appointed to the forum. Could the Minister indicate how long we have to submit names?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The timeline we have given for submissions has been reduced so that we can have this forum prepared to go out into the communities, as I said earlier before the school season is over. We know it is difficult to try to do community consultations during the summer months so we have shortened the time frame. I believe it is May 7, 1999. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to indicate I believe this is very valuable work that the Minister is undertaking. I would like to thank him for allowing us to submit names for the forum. Thank you.

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That is a comment. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 162-13(7): Government Position On Bc Child Pornography Case

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier , Mr. Antoine . It is in regard to my Member's statement earlier today when I talked about the BC Supreme Court and the whole pornography issue and the important rights children should have for their protection. My question, to the Premier is, has his government taken any action in the form of writing to the federal government encouraging them to appeal this ruling? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to take this question as notice. I do not know the details, but the Department of Justice would be responsible for it. I will get the information and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Question 163-13(7): Crisis In Education System In Nwt

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . My question is, from the information that the Minister has observed and from the departmental briefings that he has received to date, does the Minister concur that there is a crisis in our education system? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been briefed. I have heard the concerns raised by the people in the communities, my own included. Do I agree that the educational system is in crisis? No, I do not. Do I agree that there are issues to be dealt with and there would be a benefit from more revenue? Yes, I do. Are there many good and positive things about our educational system and is it still continuing to function? Yes, it is. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker the Minister has used up all of my supplementary questions. Mr. Speaker, I want to be assured that the Minister is personally aware of how widespread the concern with regard to education are. Has he heard from the people, has he received the message? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A person would have to be blind, deaf, and dumb not to have heard the concerns raised across the Northwest Territories. I would like to think I have none of those disabilities, and that I am very well aware of the issues. I have the letter here that my colleague referred to in her Member's statement. I know it is an issue of great significant to a lot of people. It is an issue of high emotion, to the extent they make what I consider some very personal comments in this letter addressed to me, they say in big bold letters, our children are worth it, are yours?

Implying to me, that somehow, I have less of a concern as a parent or grandparent than another person in the Northwest Territories about the issue of education, or any less concern than any other Member in this House about the issues of education and how it will affect my family. Very clearly, I would say unequivocally that my concern for my family is probably not one iota less than Mrs. King. Like most parents, I value my children more than life itself. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is good to hear that we have such an able-bodied Minister in charge of this very important portfolio. Mr. Speaker, what potential impact can the Minister realistically bring to bear on this Cabinet and this process of a government that could result in more funding for education? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the last number of days we have raised the issue of the need for greater revenues in the longer term. In the shorter term, we have been taking the steps that I have indicated we are going to, they are all underway. I would also like to point out that this budget process has been going on for eight months. The committees have tabled for the first time publicly, their report, which I have read cover to cover and all the yellow stickies indicate the commitments that we have made to the committee.

Well, we all agree education is a priority, as a Legislative Assembly we have talked for eight months about education. Nowhere in here do I see one recommendation about taking 10 percent of this budget and moving it to education, or let us cut this and move it to education. This process that we are now in is the final end result of the budgeting process. All of the work that we do has been done for the most

part in camera behind closed doors. We now have the public process where we stand up, the committee says this, the Main Estimates say how much money is there, this is the end product. We have two choices; we approve the budget or we remove money.

We have to plan for the future very clearly. If we are really serious about this, I know we have to let our constituents know that education is a big issue, and it is. How do we productively and proactively move ahead on that? That is the question. We have been involved with this for eight months. There are lots of recommendations in here in terms of process, how to make the existing system better, because I sat on that side until recently and I know the recommendations that we made. In the longer term we are looking for revenues.

There are adjustments we can make within our system for improvements and we are working with the people on that. Very clearly, we have an obligation as an Assembly as well to, when we speak, let us be clear about where we stand in this process and what input has been involved so far. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said in this House yesterday, we as elected Members are representatives of our constituents, but I know that in Hay River at least, and I am sure in other communities, the people there who are concerned about education would like the opportunity to speak with the Minister to convey these concerns directly and in person. I would like to ask the Minister if he would agree to come to Hay River to meet with educators, parents, concerned citizens, with regard to the issues of education? Thank you.

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Mr. Minister.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I spoke yesterday morning with Mrs. King and I have talked to the Member, as well. I would be more than happy, at a mutually convenient time, as soon as our busy schedules will allow, to go to Hay River where I understand they are going to have a very warm reception for me. In fact, my sister-in-law told me yesterday at supper she may be one of the people carrying placards. I look forward to the trip to Hay River and a very interesting meeting with the friends and neighbours that I have there. Thank you.

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Question 164-13(7): Application Of Yukon Oil And Gas Act

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be for the honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi . It is in relationship to comparison, Mr. Speaker, for the Yukon government. The Yukon Legislature apparently passed the Yukon Oil and Gas Act, in December, 1997. This act establishes a common regime for the oil and gas industry regardless of whether development is on the crown on First Nations settlement land. An accord apparently was signed between the Yukon government and the Council of Yukon First Nations, KasKas and the Kwanlin Dun.

Can the Minister tell me if this government has examined the Yukon Oil and Gas Act, to see and perhaps to look at to see how we pursue a possibility of resolution to the Northern Accord in this fashion? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our staff are aware of the developments in other jurisdictions including the Yukon, the type of legislation that governs oil and gas activity in places like Alberta, Saskatchewan, and including the Yukon. Our government is also committed to ensuring that aboriginal governments and aboriginal leaders in the Northwest Territories are fully involved in any developmental work we might undertake to prepare for devolution.

We have not done any detailed work regarding possible legislation that we might implement for the day when we can and will become, with the aboriginal governments, the owners and the managers and legislators of our subsurface resources, lands and waters in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our government has been unsuccessful in working out an agreement with the aboriginal organizations in pursuit of this objective. This government apparently has tried to get a memorandum of understanding with the aboriginal organizations, but to no avail. I am wondering if the Minister would consider consulting with the Yukon government and their First Nations to see what worked and what did not work in drafting a potential agreement over here? Thank you.

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Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would he then consider pursuing efforts to involve the territorial aboriginal organizations and work with them in relationship to the political accord that we are pursuing and the Northern Accord? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the government is committed to trying to initiate discussions with aboriginal leaders, with aboriginal government representatives in the Northwest Territories to see if they are interested in taking a collective partnership approach to assuming ownership of all lands and resources including inland waters within the Northwest Territories and developing an agreement and a process for advancing that to the federal government. Hopefully, we will have some indication of that when we discuss this issue with the chiefs next week here in Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Question 165-13(7): Retroactive Payments Of Northern Allowance

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, very recently this government and the union ratified a collective agreement. Under that agreement workers are entitled to some retroactive pay and I believe a one-time $500 northern allowance. Could the Minister indicate if this retroactive pay and the northern allowance has been paid to date and if not, when it will be?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some employees have already received the retroactive payments to which they are entitled, however it is taking as long as two and a half hours of individual calculations to determine how much an employee may be entitled to. Therefore, it will take the entire month of May before all retroactive pay has been issued to employees. As it is calculated, it is being added to their cheques. A large number of employees have already received their payments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 165-13(7): Retroactive Payments Of Northern Allowance

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 477

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that information. Is there a specific date that they will be finished this? I believe that there is a date timeline that they have to follow according to their collective agreement that this has to be done by. Could the Minister indicate when they will be finished implementing all this retroactive pay that is owed to the workers? Thank you.

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Mr. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that the final pay period in May is the one which people may expect to see their adjustments.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the agreement other things were agreed upon such as enhancements to medical travel, maximum for accumulation of special leave credits, shift premiums, duty travel per diem rates, that type of thing. When will these types of things be put into place, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not aware when those will be put in place. I will therefore offer to provide the Member with that information in writing on Monday or Tuesday.

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Question 166-13(7): Microfiching Government Documents

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 477

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services , Mr. Steen . Mr. Speaker, I am still trying to find savings for this government. I accept the fact that there is no more new money. I think we all have. We have to be more efficient with the money that we do have. Mrs. Groenewegen , a couple of days ago, talked about the amount of paper that is produced in this Assembly. In fact, we have it in many of the buildings here, we produce phenomenal amounts of money to maintain, heat and provide maintenance to. We do have expertise in the North, Mr.

Speaker, companies that are already established here, who have abilities to provide this government and other business with services in providing microfiching of documentation. My question to the Minister is, Mr. Speaker, will the Minister of Public Works and Services consider putting some speed into trying to assess the savings that could be generated for this

government by microfiching some of the documentation that they have already produced? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the short answer is yes, the department would definitely consider it. The department will look into the advantages of using this process and I will get back to the Member as to what the results of the department study is on this. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the honourable Minister for that response. I would point out, Mr. Speaker, I have approached every Minister of Public Works and Services since my time in this house, suggesting this be looked at and I received very favourable responses as I have from my honourable colleague here. Could the Minister advise me, or give me a date when he will have that research done and bring that information back to this House to show the savings that could generated for the government? Could the Minister give me a time frame for that? Thank you.

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Mr. Minister.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot give my honourable colleague a definite date on that, however, I will try to bring it to a close with some kind of information on this as quickly as possible. I am sure the department is well aware of the question at this point, I am also aware that this particular question was put to the department when my predecessor, Mr. Roland , was involved. Obviously we are not moving fast enough on this as far as the Member is concerned, but I will commit to it again. I will bring it up to the department for a quick response. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Question 167-13(7): Small Claims Court Procedures

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 478

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question for today is for the Minister of Justice , the Honourable Mr. Kakfwi . It is in relationship to concerns that business people and others may have. It is to deal with the small claims court and the amount of dollars that an individual can go to small claims court on. At the present time it is $5,000. My personal opinion, and some feedback I have received, is that it should be higher than $5,000, Mr. Speaker. There are always difficulties on the part of a business if it is $5,500, then you cannot go to small claims court, it has to be done through lawyers and by the judges.

I believe even some of the legal people would probably agree with me because some of them are very small claims. Also it would save this government money in court costs if individuals were allowed to argue before the courts that the claim is owed. It saves court time. I know in other jurisdictions there are small claims courts and judges specifically dedicated for this. I am wondering if the Minister would consider having his department look at changing the level and the amount that could be claimed in court under the small claims court by changing it up from $5,000? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The Minister responsible for the Department of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Page 478

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is the view of the Department of Justice that the limit for small claims is sufficient at this time. If there are some compelling reasons why that should be changed, I am prepared to consider it, so if the Member could advance those to me I would be prepared to review that again. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister's approach to this that if I had compelling reasons, but I am wondering if the department has compelling reasons why it is not being changed. In my opinion, and I think if the department were to consult with the business community and the individuals in organizations they would likely find that there would be support for this approach, so rather then me coming up with all the compelling reasons which I think my comments are very logical in my mind, I wonder if the Minister can ask for justification from his officials as to why they will not change it? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi

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Page 478

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I understand it the Department of Justice has decided that there would be no change to the limit at this time. I would be prepared to give the Member, in writing, the reasons that the Department of Justice has for sticking to that decision. I will be prepared to do that, thank you.

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Page 478

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Minister could also ask his department if they could get comparisons from other jurisdictions, the provinces and so forth, what the amounts are, and some of the compelling reasons why they are at those levels in those particular jurisdictions? Thank you.

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Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Yes, Mr. Speaker

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Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 168-13(7): Special Needs Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 479

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week sometime in the House I suggested to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment that we might take some of the money which has been allocated to some training programs and use them in conjunction with the students in our schools. I was thinking of young elementary school students with special needs. I have had a chance to think about it a little bit more. Mr.

Speaker, apparently there is a need to train special needs assistants and as we know we have students that could use the benefits of remedial type work in some of the basics in education over the summer months.

I know it has probably been tried to some extent, in some of the communities, whereby there are summer schools available to parents and students who need to get caught up over the summer, but I am thinking more of a remedial education programs perhaps in the morning and a summer camp program in the afternoons, something to that effect which would integrate employing students and training people in the area of special needs work in the schools. Has the Minister had a chance to give any more thought to this idea in directing some of this funding he has allocated to training to this area of special needs students?

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Page 479

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are looking at the area of training for special needs. A lot will be dependent, of course, on when the money becomes available once the budget is passed, but yes, it is an area we are looking at. If the Member would care to talk further about this in more detail with the officials of the department it may add to our deliberations. Thank you.

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Question 169-13(7): Alternative Mining Technology

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 479

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Resource, Wildlife and Economic Development. The questions are in relation to the Diavik diamond project. Mr. Speaker, the Diavik project is a large undertaking and due to the location of the deposits and the mining method proposed, a large horizontal and vertical footprint will be left. Although the basic mining concepts proposed are well established, the location of the deposits under water requires some innovative engineering solutions to allow conventional mining methods to be executed.

These innovations introduce a significant construction water management component to the project. The most substantial environmental impacts may well be during the construction period, and once the decision to proceed is granted and construction is commenced, the process will essentially be irreversible.

The mining options are: mining without a dike; mining with a dike; and, underground mining with open pit crown pillar. Mr. Speaker, both the public and DIAND have expressed concern about the impact of Diavik's proposed mining process will have. DIAND hired an independent contractor to assess alternative mining technologies to address two main concerns. First, are there alternative ways to mine deposits such as these which could reduce surface disturbance and potential environmental impact, and secondly, is there some way that the currently proposed footprint could be reduced.

The contractor came back and said that there should be a way to minimize this footprint and, in fact, indicated ,that perhaps, mining partly underground would be acceptable. Mr. Speaker, what I am wondering is, what is the government's position on the use of alternative mining technology to carry out this project? Thank you.

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Page 479

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member has taken to being very critical of the way I phrase my statements and how long they are. Because it was very long-winded on his part, the

preamble anyway is extensive and I would not want to miss anything so I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 170-13(7): Evaluation Of Diamond Mining Proposals

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 479

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is in relation to how the government evaluates diamond mining. In the Diavik diamond project, Diavik stated they would consider five factors in the evaluation of mining alternative. First, applicability; secondly, technical uncertainty; third, risk to work, health and safety; fourth, environmental effects; and five, economics. Could the Minister indicate what criteria does the government use when evaluating proposals?

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that was an elaboration on the same question that I took as notice. I will take the question as notice, thank you.

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I believe that was a new question, he was talking about the evaluation process. The question has been taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 171-13(7): Trespassing Legislation

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Page 480

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen . Mr. Speaker, in September of 1998, I wrote to the former Minister to bring to her attention the fact that there is no legislation in the NWT to deal with trespassing on private property. Property owners have been telling me they are having problems with trespassers and they can get no help when they call the RCMP or city by-law because the RCMP and by-law have no legal power to remove trespassers. I am wondering if the Minister can tell me, at what stage legislation, if any, is being worked on by his department? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 480

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 480

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Member raised this matter last fall with the former Minister and that a commitment was made to consider the suggestion for a change in the legislation. The appropriate change for different municipal legislation to give authority to the communities to pass by-laws to remove trespassers from private property was not included in the municipal legislation review. This proposed legislation was tabled in January of this year, and it did not include any suggested changes to allow for municipalities to pass by-laws to control trespassing.

However, this legislation is coming to the committee of the Assembly. At that point in time, I will respond to the Member and we will include the suggestion in the legislation at that time. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to rise on a point of privilege on a personal matter.

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Proceed.

Point of Privilege

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today during question period, I have been reflecting on my comments to the honourable Member from Hay River when she asked whether I had heard the voices and the concerns raised by the people about education. I used the phrase that I would have had to be blind, deaf and dumb not to. On reflection I think that was an inappropriate choice of words. I would like to clarify for the record my intent was not to denigrate or cast any negative connotations on those disabilities. Having a sister myself who is hearing impaired, I know full well the burden that those disabilities may be.

While I cannot rewrite Hansard, I would like it noted that I am aware that I should have used better terms to describe how acutely aware I am of that particular issue. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . I recognize your comments and it will be noted. Item 7, written questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Written Question 5-13(7): Cost Of Paper Products For Legislative Assembly Operations

Item 7: Written Questions

Page 480

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my written question is for the Premier . Could the Premier please provide to this House an approximation of the dollars spent in the areas of: paper products, printing, photocopying, binding, disposing, storing documents, related to the operation of this Legislative Assembly? Thank you.

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Item 7: Written Questions

Page 480

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Dent .

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Tabled Document 37-13(7): Year 2000 Status Report

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 480

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document entitled, Year 2000 Status Report. Thank you.

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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 480

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Tabling of documents. Mr. Roland .

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Tabled Document 38-13(7): Minister's Forum Letter

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 480

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am tabling the letter I sent to Members requesting names for the Minister's Forum on Health and Social Services in responding to a question earlier today I inadvertently gave the wrong date. The date for names to be returned to my office is 5:00 p.m., May 14th. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 480

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Motion, 20-13(7): Extended Adjournment, Mr. Dent .

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Motion 20-13(7): Extended Adjournment

Item 16: Motions

Page 480

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife North , that notwithstanding rule 4, that when this House adjourns on Friday, April 30, 1999, it shall be adjourned until Monday, May 10, 1999;

AND FURTHER, that any time prior to May 10, 1999, if the Speaker is satisfied, after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly, that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon, the House shall meet at the time stated at such notice and it shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to at that time.

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Item 16: Motions

Page 480

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Motions. Item 17, first reading

of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters. Bill 17, Appropriation Act, 1999-2000 , and committee report 1-13(7), and tabled document 31-13(7), with Mrs. Groenewegen in the chair.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Page 481

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

I would like to call the committee of the whole to order. We have three items on our agenda today. Bill 17, Appropriation Act, 1999-2000 , Committee Report 1-13(7), Report on the 1999-2000 Business Plans and the 1999-2000 Main Estimates. Tabled Document 31-13(7), Report to the Minister, Public Works and Services, April 15, 1999, Regarding Issues Raised in the Report of the Conflict of Interest Commissioner. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I would like to recommend the committee continue its consideration of Bill 17 , and the committee report, specifically with the Department of Education.

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The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

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Some Hon. Members

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The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. We will commence with the consideration of this item after a brief break. Thank you.

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The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

I would like to call committee of the whole back to order. We have the items that were listed before, the committee has indicated that they would like to deal with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Would the Minister like to make opening remarks?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Yes, I would, Madam Chairperson.

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Some Hon. Members

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Page 481

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. It is my pleasure to introduce the 1999-2000 Main Estimates for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. These estimates are based on the business plan that was presented to the standing committee last November. They have been modified to reflect the concerns raised by committee Members. At the appropriate time, I will be making a motion to add the additional $2 million announced in the Minister of Finance's Budget Address for the Working Together and Skills for Work Programs. The total proposed budget for the department is 156 million dollars for operations and maintenance and an additional $13.5 million for capital.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment has a broad mandate with responsibility for early childhood education, schools, advanced education, including the college, workplace training, income support, and culture and heritage.

I would like to highlight a few of the activities that will form the basis of our work in 1999-2000. I have already talked in this House about the work associated with the Minister's Forum on Education. Depending on the outcome of the implementation discussions with DECs, DEAs, Members of the standing committee and other parties, we will be addressing a number of the recommendations over the next year. As well, the work on reviewing and updating the strategic plan will be complete by the end of June. This plan will help set the long-term directions for the department .

I am confident that, as a result of the extensive public consultations the department has undertaken, the plan will very accurately reflect the priorities of NWT residents and we can make sure our resources are directed to those priorities.

While schools and government have an important role in education, culture and heritage, we cannot underestimate the fundamental role of families and communities in raising healthy, happy children who are secure with who they are. It is said that for every dollar you invest a child with difficulties, there is a future saving of $7. As a government, we have recognized the importance of investing at the very early stages of a child's life. We are participating with all the other Canadian jurisdictions in the National Child Benefit. This initiative is designed to help reduce child poverty.

The second phase of the NCB, which will be implemented in July of this year, will result in approximately $160,000 in savings from reduced income support payments. This money will be reinvested into the Healthy Children's Initiative. Along with some minor internal reallocation, this will allow us to maintain the funding for community-based programs at their current levels.

As Members have pointed out so clearly over the past few weeks, effective schooling is also essential. There have been some very positive changes in our schools. Over the past few years, both attendance and achievement rates have been increasing. Last year saw the highest ever number of high school graduates. Three hundred eighty-one students graduated from high school during the 1998 calendar year, which is an increase of 29 percent over the previous year.

While it is great to see more young people staying in school, increased attendance puts more pressure on the education system. We are very aware that the pupil/teacher ratio is high and at risk of going higher because of increasing enrolments due to people staying longer in school and higher than national average birth rates. Last year, the department was able to increase the funding going to schools to keep pace with these growing enrolments. This year we will be committing an additional $1.2 million to maintain the pupil/teacher ratio at its present level.

Adult and post-secondary training is critically important in the North as we prepare residents to take advantage of the many opportunities available in government and the private sector. In addition to the full range of programs offered through the college and in partnership with other organizations, we will place particular emphasis on the Teacher Education Strategy. This strategy sets clear directions for training northern teachers.

There is also an additional investment of $1.3 million to enhance the training for health and social work professionals and almost $400,000 in training in the secondary diamond industry. As announced last week, $1 million will be used to continue the community-based Skills for Work Program. This program supports pre-employment programs by community groups, as well as adult basic education, skills development and community job training through Aurora College.

Another #1 million will extend the very successful Working Together Program for an additional year. Through a wage subsidy, this program encourages employers to hire young people. This program provides the employers with extra workers and gives the young people useful experience that will help them gain permanent employment in the future.

Another exciting area of investment in the coming year will be our information network system. We are rapidly connecting schools, libraries and college facilities to the DCN and Internet. We expect all facilities to be hooked up by the end of June.

One area where we plan to use existing funding in a new way is the area of language and culture. We are working closely with the language communities to develop a territorial language strategy that will focus on the preservation and promotion of our unique languages.

In a number of areas, we are working closely with the other departments in the social envelope. In the months ahead, we will be reporting on projects such as harmonization of income support and social housing programs, and a framework for an agenda for children and youth. The interconnections between our departments make this co-operation and collaboration essential to our success in developing and delivering effective programs. The activities of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment are extremely diverse. The budget before you reflects the broad range of functions we are responsible for. I look forward to discussing it with you in more detail. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.

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Page 482

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . At this time, I will ask Mr. Erasmus if he would please read the social programs overview of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Mr. Erasmus , please.

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Page 482

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The department of Education, Culture and Employment offers a wide range of services. These include Early Childhood Programs, School Services, Education and Training for Adults, Income Support, Culture and Heritage and Information Technology.

During the review of the 1999-2002 business plans on November 23 and 24, 1998, the Standing Committee on Social Programs and the Minister agreed that in the future, the department should make notes in the business plans as to the long-term financial commitments of the department. It may be necessary for Cabinet approval to occur before costs of long-term leases can be included. The committee was also concerned as to the lack of detail in the goals, measures, targets and strategies in the business plans. In reporting back to the committee during the Main Estimates review, the department committed to supplying more details in the 2000-2001 business plans.

The Standing Committee on Social Programs reviewed the 1999-2000 Main Estimates presented by the Department of Education, Culture and Employment on March 14, 1999. The committee noted that there were organizational changes within the department's financial reporting format. The committee also noted an overall increase of $3.292 million from the figures presented in the departmental business plans. The proposed increase is intended to offset the additional costs of nursing and social worker programs, the new job evaluation system, and the building and learning program.

Early childhood educ