Debates of Oct. 20th, 2009

This is page numbers 3369 - 3402 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 7-16(4): Northwest Territories Parks And Tourism 2009

Minister’s Statement 8-16(4): The Contributions Of Elders In Education

Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

Support For NWT Arts And Crafts Sector

Medical Assessment Referrals For Fort Liard Residents

Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

Involvement Of Regular Members In Policy Development

Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

Condolences To The Family Of Caroline Andre

Preventative Maintenance Housing Programs For Seniors And Persons With Disabilities

Community-Based Long-Term Care For Tuktoyaktuk Elders

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

Involvement Of Regular Members In Policy Development

Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

Medical Assessment Referrals For Fort Liard Residents

Support For Arts And Crafts Sector

Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

Community-Based Long-Term Care For Tuktoyaktuk Elders

Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

Preventative Maintenance Housing Programs For Seniors And Persons With Disabilities

Written Question 3-16(4): Details On Contracts Awarded To Former Ministers

Written Question 4-16(4): Contracts To Former Members Of The Legislative Assembly And Senior Staff

Tabled Document 9-16(4): Workers’ Safety And Compensation Commission 2008 Annual Report

Tabled Document 10-16(4): Angevine Economic Consulting Ltd. Contract For Services Tabled Document 11-16(4): Matthews Energy Consulting Contract For Services

Extended Adjournment Of The House To October 26, 2009

Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act Terms Of Reference

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:36 p.m.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 7-16(4): Northwest Territories Parks And Tourism 2009

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment is committed to growing the tourism industry in the Northwest Territories.

The department continues to work closely with partners and stakeholders in the Northwest Territories, including industry members and tourism operators, the Destination Marketing Organization - Northwest Territories Tourism, the Tourism Marketing Advisory Committee, as well as communities, bands and aboriginal organizations.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the people in the Northwest Territories tourism industry for their dedication and for providing exceptional service to visitors throughout the year. I would also like to acknowledge the hard work and commitment of the chair, fellow board members and staff of the Northwest Territories Tourism Association, as well as recognize the contribution of the co-chair and members of the Tourism Marketing Advisory Committee.

In 2009-10 the department’s Product Diversification and Marketing Program supported 18 businesses and organizations in all five regions of the Northwest Territories, with almost $1.5 million in funding.

This year, 2009-10, is the department’s fourth year of the five-year Tourism 2010 Action Plan to support the Northwest Territories tourism industry. One million dollars is spent annually on infrastructure, product development, research, marketing and training.

This year also saw several infrastructure investments under the federal government’s Economic Action Plan. Industry, Tourism and Investment received $481,000 in matching federal funding for 2009-10 projects including trail development, park improvements and building renovations.

Mr. Speaker, there are a number of capital projects underway this year. These include the development of a new visitor centre at the 60th Parallel,

completion of a kitchen shelter in Sambaa Deh Territorial Park and a third loop in Reid Lake Territorial Park.

The 2009 operating season also saw the continuation of cultural programming in parks. Live programs were delivered in Twin Falls, Fred Henne and Hay River Territorial parks.

Visitors from all corners of the globe continue to visit our parks. In 2008 more than 35,000 people camped, picnicked or simply enjoyed quality family time in our many campgrounds and day-use areas.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate parks staff, campground operators and other park service providers in the Northwest Territories for their dedication to this vital industry and to thank them for a job well done.

Thanks to the efforts of our parks contractors and staff and the Northwest Territories tourism industry, visitors learn what those of us who live here already know: the Northwest Territories is a spectacular place to visit. Spread the word. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 7-16(4): Northwest Territories Parks And Tourism 2009

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 8-16(4): The Contributions Of Elders In Education

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, I would like to take a moment to honour our northern elders.

Elders hold a special place in our society. They are the foundation of our culture and our spiritual and cultural leaders, passing traditional knowledge and skills through generations. They are the professors

of tradition and, like teachers, spend much of their time in the classroom working with students. It is important that young people see them in the community, which is why many of our schools prominently display their images and works.

There are a few people who I would like to recognize specifically. In Fort Smith Jane Dragon is highly involved in education and preserving languages as a past board member for the Northern Life Museum, Canadian Museum of Nature and the Western Arctic Leadership Program.

Former counsellor Florence Barnaby of Fort Good Hope works to promote healthy lifestyles free of drugs and alcohol, and works closely with women in abusive relationships.

Inuvik translator Leonard Harry was awarded the Community Language Leader Award in 2003 for his translations in media and at culture-based activities.

I am glad we have so many great elders for our students to look up to. You can often find elders in our schools leading cultural camps, sharing stories, preparing traditional crafts and giving advice to students. They teach the significance of being grounded in culture and the importance of education.

Earlier this month Margaret Vandell of Fort Providence helped students from Deh Gah School and Bompas Elementary School through the rites of passage. As well as helping with culture camps, Margaret is well known for her passion for language, love of the land and passing on the knowledge of elders.

Elizabeth Mackenzie, who passed away this year, signified this commitment with the words “be strong like two people.” These were her last words and when we honour them, we are better people today. The legacy of Mrs. Mackenzie reminds us that while our cultural identities are important, we must also look to the future. It is hard to know how many lives Mrs. Mackenzie touched in her 91 years. In 1991 her name became synonymous with education when we named the Behchoko elementary school after her.

This year also saw the loss of Phillip Zoe. Mr. Zoe modelled the traditional way of life and the importance of combining values from our past with the realities of modern life. When talking to those who were close with him, the first thing people mention is his commitment to traditional education. He was a constant presence in schools and cultural camps, sharing stories and his love for traditional crafts. Today Philip Zoe and his wife, Bella, are honoured as the new culture room at the Jean Wetrade School in Gameti has been named after them.

We are fortunate to benefit from the wisdom of our elders and their desire to share their knowledge

with our youth. I know there are many elders in our communities who are dedicated or committed to making a difference in the lives of young people and I am pleased to be able to recognize some of them today. Mahsi.

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Minister’s Statement 8-16(4): The Contributions Of Elders In Education

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to speak today about the government’s lack of support for the Government of the Northwest Territories seniors participating in the Canada Senior Games.

Since I became a Member in 2003 I have seen the participation of NWT seniors increase steadily. First with the Whitehorse games in 2004, the Portage La Prairie games in 2006, and most recently with over 100 participants in the Dieppe, New Brunswick, games.

The 2010 Senior Games are being held in Brockville, Ontario. Despite numerous requests to the various departments and the Minister responsible for Seniors , Ms. Lee , the government has decided that it will not contribute any funds for our seniors to participate in the 2010 Games. The main reason is that the government indicates that the federal funding program that was utilized previously has ended, and that is a shame.

I have had the opportunity in the past to supply participants with pins and flags before they were to leave for the games and they were very excited at the opportunity not only to participate in their chosen activities but to be ambassadors for their community and for the Northwest Territories. I’ve also had the chance to speak to participants on their arrival back home, all of whom were very proud of their accomplishments and excited to keep active. They also spoke of attending future games.

I’m saddened that the government can’t seem to find some source of resources to allow our seniors to continue to take

part in the games. In addition to some financial support, our participating seniors require help in administration of their participation. As a government, we need to find a way to keep our seniors active and their participation in the Canada Senior Games is a great investment in supporting our seniors.

As the stated objective of this government is a healthy, active people, our seniors are not looking for the government to pay the full cost of their participation; they are busy raising money on their own. They are willing to support themselves, as

well, Mr. Speaker, but they can’t do it alone. They need some government help. Thank you.

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Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ditto, Mr. Speaker. As in previous years, a dedicated group of Northerners wants to participate on behalf of the Northwest Territories at the upcoming 2010 Canada 55-plus Games in Brockville, Ontario. Residents of the NWT have been participating on behalf of the Northwest Territories since 1998. During that first year, only one resident participated. Popularity of NWT participation has increased steadily since then and peaked at nearly 100 during the 2008 Games in Dieppe, New Brunswick.

There are a number of advantages for northern involvement in these games, not the least of which is that there can be significant savings realized in health care costs over the long term by keeping seniors active and involved. In previous years the GNWT has provided some financial support to participants through the NWT Seniors’ Society for planning and logistics. It is my understanding that these dollars were not used to cover the accommodation or travel costs but were used to help coordinate travel, accommodation and participant registration. These dollars were a huge asset to the participants that allowed for seamless and coordinated participation of Team NWT.

Unfortunately, any future funding for this initiative has been cancelled. It seems unreasonable to me that the GNWT would cut these support dollars, the dollars that help participants coordinate their activity as a team, as Team NWT. The NWT participants of the Canada 55-plus Games are not asking for the GNWT to cover the cost of their airfare or accommodations; they are asking for some funding depending on the number of participants to have assistance with the coordination of their participation, details such as arranging travel, registration and providing uniforms. Mr. Speaker, this is a reasonable request.

Later this afternoon I will be asking the Minister responsible for Seniors some questions and seeking her support of these athletes, the champions of the North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Support For NWT Arts And Crafts Sector

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to speak about the GNWT’s support for the arts and crafts in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, a number of years ago I embarked on an endeavour to collect as much northern arts and crafts that I could acquire. I particularly had an interest in garments. Being as I am a woman and I am not aboriginal, I felt it appropriate to seek the opinion of some respected chiefs in the Northwest Territories about this endeavour, because, you might notice when you go to the communities, it is not normally the women who are adorned in garments such as the one I am wearing today.

These are traditionally made by Dene women and actually are for their husbands to wear. That becomes very apparent when you go to communities such as the one where this jacket came from, which is from Mrs. Bernadette Williah of Behchoko. It was upon visits to her home where I, on numerous occasions, asked if I could try her husband Francis’s jacket on, and each time admiring it so much that it came about that she made one similar for me. It is such a great honour that she did that because it is definitely an art, and in some cases it is an art which is leaving the North. I wanted to try and get as many different styles of…

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mrs. Groenewegen , I think the time didn’t set on your clock so we will start over.

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Support For NWT Arts And Crafts Sector

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Okay. Are we good to go?

There is such a variety of styles of embroidery, beadwork, quillwork, from all the different regions of the Northwest Territories. The styles vary greatly. I want to try and collect as many different pieces as I could. These pieces become particularly precious when the elders who created them have passed on.

I just want to say that I am very proud to have in my collection things such as beaver mitts that were made by the late Sarah Simon, gauntlet gloves made by the late Annie Buggins, a parka with traditional Delta braid crafted by Florence Peterson from Fort McPherson, Mr. Krutko ’s auntie. Mr. Leon Lafferty recently lost his mother in Behchoko and she had embroidered beautiful work on a wool coat for me. So I have all of these things. I have pictures of many of the people who made these pieces of art and they are precious to me.

The other day Mr. Jacobson asked me how many aboriginal garments I have and I had to confess -- I hope my husband’s not listening -- I have 22 now. I suppose at some point I may have to consider donating them to a museum or putting them on display somewhere, because I couldn’t possibly wear them out, that is for sure.

So today, Mr. Speaker, I want to later ask the Minister of ITI about progress that’s being made on supporting people who are involved in traditional activities such as arts and crafts and especially today thank again Mrs. Bernadette Williah of Behchoko for her work -- a labour of love, really -- in producing this jacket that I wear today. Thank you so much.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Medical Assessment Referrals For Fort Liard Residents

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to talk about a subject that residents of Fort Liard continue to raise with me. It is their preference to visit Fort Nelson in British Columbia when they require medical assessment as Fort Nelson is closer than Yellowknife, only 240 kilometres away from Fort Liard.

Presently, when a nurse in Fort Liard refers a patient for medical assessment and treatment, it is to Yellowknife and the patient has to travel by taxi to Fort Simpson and then fly to Yellowknife, a total of about 544 kilometres for assessment and usually taking up to three days. If the patient cannot be treated at that time, the person is then asked to return later. Or in cases of special need, they may end up flying down to Edmonton.

People in Fort Liard think it makes more sense for them to be referred to Fort Nelson in B.C. for assessment and/or immediate care. If there was a need for further care, however, the patient could be referred to Yellowknife or Edmonton. The medical policy does not support this.

I have raised this issue in the House in the past and I understand setting up of this convenient health delivery method is a challenge. However, I urge the Minister of Health and Social Services to ensure our residents are provided the best health care. An objective of quality health care is to make it as convenient as possible for people suffering from illness to access health services. I urge the Minister to consult with Northern Health in British Columbia to allow for patients of the Northwest Territories to be referred to Fort Nelson for assessment, and if further treatment is required, to be subsequently referred to Yellowknife and/or Edmonton.

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister later at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was contacted this past Sunday by a constituent about a significant public safety issue that they feel this government has failed to address in the public’s interest. The issue is the use of cell phones while driving.

The issue, as many would know already, has stirred up considerable public debate elsewhere in Canada. It has raised concerns and questions about personal responsibility, privacy and, certainly, public safety.

Mr. Speaker, I believe now more than ever as a territory we have reached the point where the need for public safety in this issue has to be examined. To date, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario, B.C. and Quebec have either passed or are drafting legislation that bans the use of cell phones while driving. Even as of September 1st of

this year, Strathcona County in Alberta was ahead of their own province on this issue by putting public safety first. I certainly applaud them for the visions and steps, Mr. Speaker.

As I’m trying to highlight, the issue that needs to be looked at is the fact that cell phones are considered too much of a distraction while driving, leading to unnecessary accidents causing injury and death, and most certainly fully preventable accidents, if I may say.

If I might remind this House, the New England Journal of Medicine found that talking on a cell phone while driving quadruples a person’s risk of accident, and also prompting the Canadian Medical Association to call for a ban on cell phones while driving.

Now, some people would rather see stricter enforcement of the existing careless drivers and the fact is this puts the responsibility back on the drivers and enforcement agencies, but the fact is this is a point that we all agree that enforcement and certainly laws need to examine. I believe this government has a role, but certainly waiting for tragedy to inspire action will never be considered responsible.

Mr. Speaker, this issue is of serious concern to a number of Canadians and certainly a number of NWT residents. So, therefore, later today I will be encouraging the Minister of Transportation to seriously look at this issue carefully to find out what the national trends are saying and follow maybe some of the direction that we should be leading in. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Involvement Of Regular Members In Policy Development

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my statement yesterday regarding the granting of sole-sourced contracts and my statement on Friday and Ms. Bisaro ’s yesterday regarding the setting of government policy without the input of Members, I would like to table two further sole-sourced contracts with a total value of $67,150.

One for $35,000 with Angevine Economic Consulting of Calgary is to assess whether natural gas prices would drive some coal-fired electrical generating stations to use natural gas and “therefore reduce greenhouse emissions.” The other is a $32,000 sole-sourced contract with Matthews Energy Consulting to develop a communications strategy on the environmental benefits of northern natural gas based upon the results of the first contract.

The key products of this work were apparently notes for a speaking tour and a promotional CD all under the slogan Gas is Green. Here again I wonder where the mandate to take such a position was obtained and how much rigorous review the products received.

The later contract proposal says the work will address the public policy issues that need to be considered, yet Members have never been asked to consider or set public policy on propaganda to sell fossil fuels as green. Had we been, we would at least have required, I suspect, that they must demonstrably replace more carbon intensive fuels such as coal or fuel oil and not be used to fuel carbon-spewing tar sands. Nor were Members consulted before Premier Roland emerged from the Northern Territorial Leaders Conference last year to announce that no carbon taxes would be considered.

Each Regular Member here can come up with a list of such key priorities into which they have had little or no input, despite our interest and mandate from the voters. Gas is Green, the Science Agenda, Cost of Living Framework, Agreement on Internal Trade, final consensus government policy on carbon taxes all developed and even announced without any input from elected representatives.

It was pointed out yesterday that former Ministers are being contracted to continue influencing government policy. Perhaps contractors have more input into the policy of government than the Members do, but if this is truly to be a consensus government, we need a whole new approach. As Ms. Bisaro said yesterday, we need more than ad hoc offers of briefings when Members ask troublesome questions.

Mr. Speaker, I will be following up with questions on how this government will ensure improved input of

Regular Members into important policy decisions and development. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to again talk about an issue that continues to be the biggest concern for most constituents of Tu Nedhe: housing.

In Tu Nedhe there are many families living in units with all kinds of technical problems, such as mould, leaky roofs and outdated furnaces, fuel tanks and much, much more, but in a general sense, it’s most likely individuals and families that do not make enough money to do repairs and renovations to their homes.

Mr. Speaker, I’ve stood up in this House many times to raise issues and although the corporation has responded to many of my concerns, there’s still a long ways to go. Having three Housing Ministers in the last 24 months has not helped the problem. Each time this happens there are delays and it adds to the frustration of those in need in the communities.

Mr. Speaker, I am fully aware of the corporation’s obligation to address the Auditor General’s report and its recommendations and I appreciate the efforts they are making in this area. However, there still seems to be a problem that is not getting addressed such as basic maintenance and upkeep of their units, and how their clients are being dealt with also continues to be a problem.

The people in Tu Nedhe have mortgage arrears, land and tax lease arrears. This has prevented the NWT Housing Corporation from doing the sensible thing of saving their homes before their entire home needs replacing. They cannot seem to get around their own policies, Mr. Speaker. In a sense, Mr. Speaker, a policy now decides whether or not a person is in need, rather than the assessment of their current situation.

I know the NWT Housing Corporation has been staffing new positions in response to the issues, but more needs to be done. It needs to get creative and start looking at other ways of effectively dealing with the constituents. When clients are approved and sign on the dotted line, the corporation must be assured that they fully and completely understand the implications of what they are signing. Only then can houses become comfortable homes for these clients to live in.

Later today I’ll have questions for the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation .

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today is National Students Against Impaired and Distracted Driving Day. We’re all well aware of the concerns and dangers to the public of impaired drivers, but what about distracted drivers? Driver distractions include cell phones, eating, drinking, changing a CD, fiddling with radio dials, talking to a passenger, experiencing emotional distress, minding children, personal grooming, looking at billboards, or even looking at other vehicles on the road.

The Canadian Automobile Association publishes a list of the top 10 leading causes of automobile accidents. The number one cause of motor vehicle accidents is cell phone use while driving. Drunk driving is way down the list at number five. How many of us have talked on a cell phone while driving? How many of us have texted on a cell phone while driving?

A study done for the Ontario Medical Association in 2008 determined the following: hands-free and hand-held cell phones both pose a risk of cognitive distraction and that regardless of which one you use, it reduces the speed while the driver processes information. Simulation tests and studies show that drivers using cell phones are 18 percent slower to brake and take 17 percent longer to recover their speed after slowing down.

The Minister of Transportation stated a year ago that studies show that cell phone use while driving reduces reaction times to the same levels as if the driver was intoxicated. The executive director of B.C.’s Safety Training Council has said, “What makes cell phone use distinct from other risky driving behaviours is the magnitude. There are 21 million cell phone users in Canada and as many as 52 percent of them talk on the phone while driving.”

A driver using a cell phone is a distracted driver. Distracted drivers pose serious safety risks to users of our roads, both motor vehicle users and pedestrians. Other jurisdictions are taking action or have taken action. Ontario recently banned hand-held devices while driving. They have joined four other provinces who have already done so. Newfoundland and Labrador were the first province in Canada to ban the use of cell phones, in April 2003. Quebec and Nova Scotia banned the use of cell phones in April 2008. Manitoba passed legislation this past August and Saskatchewan will soon introduce legislation.

I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted.

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Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

The Minister of Transportation said some months ago that the GNWT would not be looking at banning cell phone use while driving. We

need to reconsider that decision. A ban on using cell phones while driving must be part of any campaign to reduce distracted driving. In conjunction with education and public pressure, legislation can be an effective tool to make people change their habits. It took a long time, but that approach has been successful for drinking and driving. Now we need to make it work for distractions and driving.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Condolences To The Family Of Caroline Andre

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well respected elder Caroline Andre passed away on October 14th . Born to the late Mary and Ernest

Kendo, married to Antoine Andre in 1948, better known as Tony, the majority of Caroline’s life was spent on the land. She and her late husband, Tony, raised 14 children around Travaillant Lake, Swan Lake, and Big Rock areas of the Mackenzie Delta. They enjoyed being on the land and showing their children how to survive on the land and, more importantly, learning the traditional values of the Gwich’in.

Caroline was known for her ability to sew in the traditional style. She mastered the skill very early from her mother. She was most proud of the days when the RCMP would come to her to sew their parkas, mukluks, duffle liners and mitts.

On behalf of the Mackenzie Delta constituents, we send our condolences to the Kendo and Andre family. The people of Tsiigehtchic and those who knew Caroline are celebrating her life today at two o’clock in her home community of Tsiigehtchic.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Preventative Maintenance Housing Programs For Seniors And Persons With Disabilities

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I watched a show on TV called Holmes on Homes and thought it would be great if we had a fellow like that in the Sahtu, especially associated with the CARE programs offered by the NWT Housing Corporation.

The CARE program provides a forgivable loan so that people on low incomes can cover the costs of preventative maintenance to their homes. According to the latest housing survey in the Sahtu region, the Sahtu region had the highest percentage of core need income threshold in the Northwest Territories.

The CARE program is a good program. It helps people in the North take pride in their home and I think it would do more for the elderly and disabled people in our smaller communities. Persons with disabilities can get additional funding to make their houses easier to live in.

Right now the CARE program provides a loan so that people can do the repairs themselves. Seniors and disabled persons are not able to do the work by themselves, so they have to rely on a contractor. They get a loan to do this. It’s not always possible to find contractors or tradespeople in our small communities. Also, building materials are expensive and special tools and parts often have to be shipped in from outside the Sahtu.

We can help the elderly and disabled in our small communities by connecting them with qualified tradespeople to do the work and by subsidizing the rate of costs. There needs to be a number they can call if their washer or dryer breaks down or hot water tank needs to be replaced. It would make life a lot easier for our people.

We have a small population of seniors and persons with disabilities in the Sahtu. It should be possible to develop a maintenance plan to meet their specific needs and the needs of other people like them in other regions. Our people deserve to live independently for as long as they can and a little bit of help would go a long way to ensure they get maintenance of their health and their homes.

Such programs would be in the best interest of the government. It costs a lot to house people in full-time care facilities and that money is well spent. However, can you imagine how little it costs if government could help them stay in their own homes for five or 10 more years? We owe it to these folks. Let’s show them how much we care about their homes.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Community-Based Long-Term Care For Tuktoyaktuk Elders

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Quanami, Mr. Speaker. Despite all the differences and challenges in Nunakput when it always comes to living in small, isolated communities, one of the challenges sticks out from the rest. It’s something most people never even have to think about and that is community-based long-term care.

In Nunakput when loved ones become ill or, even worse, they are dying, they have no other choice but to go to regional centres as far away as Edmonton. Especially our elders, they can spend weeks out alone in a big hospital. This is wrong.

The government must make every attempt to provide adequate long-term care in the

communities so our people do not have to spend their weeks and days alone with no family and no friends because they cannot afford to bring them down.

In the community of Tuktoyaktuk, Kiglavik House is one that has been brought up time and time again for use as a long-term care facility. This building is designed for a fully functional long-term care facility. I ask the government what happened. Why did we let the people of the community down? How can we reboot this plan?

During the community meetings, whether it’s the community corporation or the hamlet council or just talking to people in Kiglavik House when I go visit, this issue is brought up time and time again. It evokes such passion in the people who keep bringing it up.

We do not want to see our elders and loved ones with serious medical conditions so far away from home and all alone. They should be at home with their family and friends. Caring for our elders and their health and well-being must be a pillar of this government.

During my various leadership positions I have always continued to try to improve the life of elders with things such as better living conditions, facilities and health care. I challenge this government to implement real plans for real changes and for the real problems.

I’ll have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased to recognize some partners in the tourism industry that are here today. With NWT Tourism: Mr. Mike Olson, vice chair; Jenni Bruce is the secretary of NWT Tourism Association, Greg Robertson is the treasurer, Gerry LePrieur is executive director.

We also have Kelly Kaylo, the co-chair of the Tourism Marketing Advisory Committee, and Andy Hutchinson, the executive director of the Northern Frontier Visitors Association. Welcome.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize Mr. Gary Barnet, president of Extell Development Corporation, in the gallery with us today.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me pleasure to recognize Mr. Greg Robertson, resident of Weledeh, to the House.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . If we’ve missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the House. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. It’s always nice to have an audience in here.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are directed today to the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . They are in regard to positions of economic development officers in the communities. I think they are an essential position for communities, not only economically but developing a social fabric of our communities, especially taking advantage of government programs and services such as SEED and making sure we assist our business community.

I am speaking today about the position in Aklavik in which I just received a letter indicating that position has been vacant from December 3, 2007. We’re talking about capacity challenges in our communities, that we have to somehow think outside the box to try to ensure we have these positions filled and, more importantly, ensure the programs and services are being delivered.

I’d like to ask the Minister of ITI what the government is doing to ensure that we are filling this position and taking advantage of the programs and services this government delivers.

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the years we’ve taken a number of different approaches with regard to providing EDO services in communities. I think the community the Member is referring to is Aklavik. That position was filled by a government EDO position at one time. The position was transferred to the community as part of the Community Transfer Initiative. It was run by the municipality for some time and then it was turned back to the Government of the Northwest Territories. We’ve filled it on several occasions. Most recently we had tried to work it out on a training assignment. We’ve gone out to competition at least three times now without success.

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I believe that there is some interest being shown, because from the last time that they put these positions out for competition I believe they had some seven candidates in regard to people who put their applications forward. That shows me there is interest. If it’s a question of capacity, I think it’s something that should be done either here, at headquarters, or at the regional office to provide that training or give them the tools to do the job.

I’d like to ask the Minister if there are any time frames we can look at to ensure this position is filled in Aklavik.

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

We have suggested a couple of options, expressions of concern by community leaders. I guess right now we have three options. The first option I think we pretty well exhausted, because we went out to competition three times. The second option is we offered the community to identify a candidate that we can train up to fill that position at some point. Thirdly, the community could take that position over again as part of the community transfer. Then they could fill it with whomever they feel is suitable to fill that position. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, one of the big challenges they face in the communities, especially filling positions, is dealing with trying to attract professions to communities, but also realizing that there are high costs associated with living in communities. When was the last time the department has increased the allocations for these EDO officers in communities so that we can attract people who will realize that there is a wage that is compatible to live in these communities, but, more importantly, that they basically come in line with other professions in those communities?

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I guess a couple of initiatives that we are undertaking first of all was we made significant efforts so that community transfer EDOs were more closely aligned with the departmental officers and were participating in training and also being more aware of programs and services. Secondly, I think on at least two occasions over the past 10 years we have gone forward and obtained additional resources to top up the salaries of the transferred positions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I think that is the problem that we are seeing here in regards to attracting people to fill these positions in communities, but, more importantly, ensuring that their salaries are compatible with other positions in communities. I know we increased the amount of money for mental health and alcohol and drug positions. We are looking at increases to the amount of money for housing authorities and

whatnot. I think it is important that we also look at the area of economic development; make sure we have the resources there to basically ensure that the salaries that are being provided to these people in these positions are adequate and, more importantly, that we are taking advantage of those government programs and services for the communities.

Would the Minister seriously consider a review of the salaries of the economic development positions throughout the Northwest Territories? If possible, could he increase their wages so that they can come in line with other professions? Thank you.

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

As a government, we do that on a regular basis and, more specifically and more recently, along with my colleague, the Minister of MACA , we have identified $1 million to work with the municipalities so that we can work to find ways to not only attract suitable candidates but also make it more attractive for people to work with municipalities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 34-16(4): Aklavik Economic Development Officer Position Vacancy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 35-16(4): Involvement Of Regular Members In Policy Development

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier and concerns the policy development without the input and review by Regular Members elected by the voters for that purpose.

First of all I would like to ask in reference to my Member’s statement and the contract by Angevine and Matthews Consulting, I believe it was. I note that natural gas represents about 25 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions relative to fuel oil but only if it displaces that fuel oil. When it is used in addition to other fuels, it represents a large increase. Considerable and well documented concerns that our natural gas will be delivered directly to tar sands allowing rapid expansion of this dirtier fuel and further promoting a rise in emissions is of concern. Were these concerns accounted for in this policy development and in the communications products? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 35-16(4): Involvement Of Regular Members In Policy Development

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Premier Mr. Roland .

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Question 35-16(4): Involvement Of Regular Members In Policy Development

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Number one, the Member stated in his Member’s statement that led to this question about where do we get our mandate and how is this seeking the input of Members. First and foremost, just for the Member to start from first base, I guess, is that when departments look at what type of work they need to do, they start from the basis of, one, an establishment policy. The establishment policies

would be found on the website, so individuals could find that and the Minister of ITI is saying that is the starting point.

Second to that, as the Legislative Assembly, when we start our business, we then focus on looking at other things, then a mandate is established. Further to that, by myself as Premier , to the appropriate Ministers when we see other work that we want to take up as the Legislative Assembly.

In this scenario, we have talked about the Mackenzie Gas Pipeline. Previous Assemblies have talked about the Mackenzie Gas Pipeline. We all know that we need to be getting more information on just what benefits would flow from that, what that would mean for ourselves and how we could promote the use of natural gas to the rest of Canada and internationally as well. In this case, this specific question that the Member asked, yes, that was taken into consideration by the department. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Again, I wasn’t clear on the final answer there. Apparently that would be taken into consideration. Was it, is the question. I would like to request copies of the Angevine report and the policy development that derived from it and the promotional CDs, speeches, and the dates, and audiences for the speeches. Will the Premier ensure that that is provided to Regular Members? Thank you.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, it is the practice of this government when Members have an interest in specific areas, we can have the appropriate Minister make a presentation to standing committee and provide all the necessary information, if that is being requested. In fact, all the information the Member is now raising issues on has been provided by ourselves as the Government of the Northwest Territories and the contracts that he is tabling have been given to him by ourselves as a government. We have no concerns there.

We will provide that information to the Member and, working with the Minister of ITI , I believe that information is available or the majority of that may be available on ITI’s website as well. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate that offer. I will certainly be checking further for those products. Will the Premier commit to offering a plan for informing, involving and confirming input of Members before important government policy positions are announced? Thank you.

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Question 35-16(4): Involvement Of Regular Members In Policy Development

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

First and foremost, this Legislative Assembly, previous Legislative Assemblies, when we compare ourselves to every other jurisdiction across Canada, we share more information with Members of the Assembly than any other jurisdiction; probably equal to Nunavut. On top of that, we are working on a process that we have engaged in with all Members of the Assembly

to fine tune just how we flow that policy development. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Premier Roland. Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 35-16(4): Involvement Of Regular Members In Policy Development

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I certainly hope that as a consensus government we would indeed be sharing a lot more information than other governments. Indeed, I do believe we do. I am also with the Premier here on a tune-up. I was asking for his commitment to offer a plan for how we can ensure that these gaps are addressed and we Regular Members have better input and significant input on the considerable amount of policy development, key and strategic and important policy development and implementation that is now happening without the input of Regular Members. Thank you.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

If we were to take all the policies the Government of the Northwest Territories operates under -- some of that policy many years old, much before our time as the 16th Legislative Assembly -- all we would be doing is looking at policy. So the policies are there as a basis to start from. When there are issues, when we make changes to policy or engage in other work, then we have the appropriate Ministers work with the standing committees, Members of the Assembly, to seek information, input and get some response as we uptake that.

That tune-up that the Member has referred to and I have also referred to in the sense that Caucus, all Members of this Assembly, are working through a process to fine tune that. The time we have between sessions and standing committee work will allow us to share even more information on that basis. Thank you.

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Question 35-16(4): Involvement Of Regular Members In Policy Development

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 36-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister responsible for Seniors and are in follow-up to my Member’s statement.

In my Member’s statement, I talked about participation in the 55-plus Canada Games, which I understand a large number of seniors across the NWT participate in. There are a number of advantages for seniors to actually attend these games, both for the individuals over 55 as well as for the Territory as a whole. Unfortunately, it appears that funding has been cancelled. Would the Minister responsible for Seniors please commit to restoring some funding between $25,000 and $50,000 to assist these local athletes over 55

participating in these games and promote the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 36-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for Seniors , Ms. Lee .

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Question 36-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department does support or I as the Minister and the Department of Health and Social Services does support the programs and services to promote healthy activities among the seniors. As the Member has indicated in his Member’s statement, the funding for the Senior Games came out of federal funding. That is not as of yet being renewed. We have looked from within to see if we could fund this, but we are not able to come up with the $50,000 or $25,000 to $50,000. At the moment we are not able to renew the funding. Thank you.

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Question 36-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I would like to thank the Minister for that response. I understand that Health did provide the money in the past. However, there are a lot of advantages for participation in these games. I see the seniors being champions of the Northwest Territories and having the ability to go out and promote the Northwest Territories. So maybe the Minister might benefit from working with ITI and try and get some money for promotion. Also MACA, I believe, has some responsibility for sports and recreation.

Although their priority is for youth, there might be some advantage for a little bit of money to come out of MACA as well as maybe a little bit of money out of Health and Social Services as they are clearly responsible for health.

To the Minister: will the Minister work with her colleagues and break down silos and try and identify a little bit of money -- and we are talking a small amount of $25,000 to $50,000, depending on how many participants there are -- to help these individuals go and promote the Northwest Territories, participate in the games and protect their health and promote sport in the Northwest Territories? They are our champions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Mr. Speaker, the department has funded this activity in the past to the NWT Seniors’ Society. They have expressed to me, in my meeting with them three weeks ago and in previous months, that they would not be pursuing funding on this. We have not received any funding requests from other groups.

What the NWT Seniors’ Society has indicated, though, is that they would like to submit proposals to us to do senior activities regionally based. In fact, they have done one in Smith and they have indicated to me that they would like to see more of that happening in the Territories.

I am willing to work on supporting the seniors and do whatever we can to use our existing pot of money on health promotion to support the seniors.

That is what is going on with that program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 36-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I understand the Seniors’ Society direction on this, but it doesn’t change the fact that there are a large number of Northwest Territories individuals over 55 who participated in these games. I would like to actually go back and re-ask my previous question.

I was asking the Minister if she would commit to working with her ministerial partners, ITI and MACA and Health, to see if there is an opportunity to squeeze out a little bit of money to support these things. It is about working together and acknowledging the importance of these types of games from a big picture perspective, not just a health perspective. These people are our champions and they can really get out there and promote the Northwest Territories and maybe encourage some people to come and visit our fine Territory.

To the Minister: will she work with her colleagues to try and find some additional dollars to support this initiative? Thank you.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Absolutely, I’m willing to work with other Ministers and we do continue to do that. I have discussed with the Minister of MACA , for example, on what can be done. I just wanted to make sure that the Member understands -- and my last answer speaks to this as well -- the NWT society has indicated that they would like to seek support in these activities and I will be looking to see how we can support that.

I just want to say that $25,000 to $50,000 is not a small amount of money to find from within. The Seniors’ Society activities, they would like to see some regional activities in regions and we will look at whatever proposal that they will bring forward.

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Question 36-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 36-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems odd that we can find money for hundreds of thousands of dollars for contracts for previous Ministers and Members but we can’t find a little bit of money to support up to 100 individuals over 55 who are very interested in attending these games and promoting the Northwest Territories, which goes to our strategies of promoting this place as a fine place to come visit and whatnot.

I would like to have the Minister, or get the Minister’s commitment to meet with some of these individuals who wish to participate in these 55-plus Games and talk about possible funding options. It’s my understanding that these individuals want to work through Sport North as an organization to help them do the coordination. That’s all they’re asking for. They’re not asking for the departments to pay their way. They’re asking for some administrative support money to help them organize so that they

can go as a cohesive team rather than a bunch of individuals. So will the Minister please do that? Thank you.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Mr. Speaker, I have met with people organizing Canada 55. I just want to say that as the Minister of Health and Social Services and the Minister responsible for Seniors I do need to work closely with all the groups in the Territories. I meet with the seniors from Smith or the NWT Seniors’ Society or Fort Simpson or anywhere in Yellowknife. So I’m always willing to meet with the seniors.

I think it should be noted, Mr. Speaker, that the department did fund $50,000 to do these Senior Games and, plus, the NWT Seniors’ Society organized these events. They have decided that they would like the government to support other ideas that they have. So I’m telling the Member again, I am willing to work the other Members, the other Ministers to see how we could support seniors’ groups having regional games within the Territories. Thank you.

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Question 36-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 37-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to follow up. My colleague Mr. Abernethy had some questions for the Minister responsible for Seniors and I liked his line of questioning, how it’s easy for the government to find, let’s say, $20 million when it has to or a $34 million loan, but when it comes to $25,000 to $50,000 to earmark for the Canada Senior Games we’re at a loss as to where we can come up with helping these folks out.

The Minister is quick at providing us with a history lesson and she’s quick at trying to deflect answering the real question, but the question is: will the Minister who’s responsible for Seniors find some support, both administratively and monetarily, for the seniors to participate fully in the 2010 Games in Brockville? Thank you.

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Question 37-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Seniors , Ms. Lee .

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Question 37-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Minister responsible for Seniors , we work with the NWT Seniors’ Society who takes on issues and interests that are important to the seniors, and they have taken on administrative tasks for these things. They do Help Line for seniors, they organize events and they’re the ones who are part of providing admin support.

Mr. Speaker, like I’ve already indicated, the Seniors’ Society has indicated they would like us to support them in encouraging and providing funding

for regional sporting events so that elders from all over the Territories take

part in it. They had one very successful event in Smith and they will be coming forward with other proposals. So, Mr. Speaker, I will continue to work with the seniors of the NWT to support their initiatives. Thank you.

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Question 37-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Again, I believe the Minister is really avoiding answering the question, which is pretty basic. The participants at the 2010 Games are going to need somebody to administer their participation in the games. Is the government interested in helping these people out finding somebody to administer their participation in the games? By the sounds of it, the Minister is not interested. Thank you.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Mr. Speaker, we don’t have the program or funding within our department to provide an organizer to organize events. That is not within our mandate.

In the past the NWT Seniors’ Society had applied for funding from us and they did the work of organizing the seniors. They have indicated to us that this is not what they’re interested in doing and they have other ideas that they want us to pursue. So we are waiting for the proposal from them and we will do what we can to support them. Thank you.

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Question 37-16(4): Support For Seniors’ Participation At Canada 55-Plus Games

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 38-16(4): Medical Assessment Referrals For Fort Liard Residents

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just want to follow up on my Member’s statement about the ability of Fort Liard residents and constituents getting at least a medical assessment done in B.C. One of the main reasons being is that they travel for three days, they come over here and the assessment says, yes, your leg is sore, then send them back home and then set up an appointment for a medical checkup.

I raised this issue in the House before with the Minister of Health and Social Services and I’d like to ask her again, has she looked into it and what can be done to address this situation for the Fort Liard residents? Thank you.

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Question 38-16(4): Medical Assessment Referrals For Fort Liard Residents

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 38-16(4): Medical Assessment Referrals For Fort Liard Residents

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I’d like to thank the Member for that issue. He has brought that up to me. I think it is an idea that is worth looking at and do some evaluation on. I’ve had a preliminary discussion with the officials about whether this could be looked at. We need to do further work on what services are available at the health facility in Fort Nelson. I understand that it has a lot less services than what Stanton has to

offer. We should also consider that we are already funding a lot of health facilities and services in the NWT and if at all possible we want to use that.

But I do appreciate the points the Member is raising. I think it’s worth pursuing. We haven’t concluded that review and I will undertake to get back to the Member on what we find and where we go from there. Thank you.

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Question 38-16(4): Medical Assessment Referrals For Fort Liard Residents

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I understand with the Alberta system we have an agreement with the Capital Health Authority there. I’m not too sure which authority governs northern B.C., but a discussion like that with them will certainly go a long way to make travel and health concerns a lot better for residents of Fort Liard. To them it makes sense. How soon can these discussions take place if the Minister is proceeding on it? Thank you.

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Question 38-16(4): Medical Assessment Referrals For Fort Liard Residents

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Obviously, Capital Health is our main service provider for services that cannot be provided within our Territories, but that’s not the only one. We have relationships with all sorts of different health facilities in all different provinces. So, Mr. Speaker, the important

part is to look at for what services Liard residents go to Nelson. We need to look into what the Nelson facility is doing and how those services can be provided and whether or not those services are already in Simpson and Yellowknife and do some cost-benefit analysis. So we’re going to have to do more work on that. I would commit to the Member that I will try to get that review done in the next two or three months and get back to him. Thank you.

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Question 38-16(4): Medical Assessment Referrals For Fort Liard Residents

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I don’t know if we can go as far as coming with a full-blown agreement with the B.C. health administration there, but I think sometimes all the residents want is to get their costs recovered for emergency, at least tooth services and/or other medical services that they travel to Fort Nelson for. In the assessment that she’s going to complete, can they also look at that arrangement of pre-approved travel? Thank you.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

We could look into that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 39-16(4): Support For Arts And Crafts Sector

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the cultural expressions of the traditional First Nations people of the Northwest Territories is in the arts and crafts that they produce. Mr. Speaker, in the previous government of the 15th Assembly, in order to ensure the pursuit and continuation of these endeavours, efforts were made through the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment to allow people greater access to

the materials that they needed to be involved in these crafts. One of the materials was hides, and also money available for other sewing supplies such as beads and so on.

I’d like to ask the Minister of ITI today where that program is at. Like, what does ITI do to track this activity to, I guess, measure the success of this program? Thank you.

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Question 39-16(4): Support For Arts And Crafts Sector

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 39-16(4): Support For Arts And Crafts Sector

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think what the Member is referring to is the Moose Hide Program that was introduced in the previous government. We tracked that and I think there were only four moose hides that were turned in. So we’ve taken a different approach in this government. We’ve established the SEED program, which is Support for Entrepreneurs and Economic Development. In that we have put in programs so that very small businesses, micro businesses, can access funding so that they can purchase raw materials so that they can continue to make some of the best arts and crafts in the world.

We’ve taken that approach and I’m very pleased to see that there’s a very good uptake in almost every region and a lot of the small communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

That’s interesting. I didn’t know how the Moose Hide Program had gone over, but I guess it is kind of a disappearing art and it’s unfortunate, because most of the people involved in that endeavour are usually getting up in age.

But the SEED program so that people can access materials, I’m glad to hear that there’s been uptake in that. Once people have access to those materials and then are interested in selling them, understanding that not everybody that creates these things is interested in marketing them, but for those who are, there seem very few, very well organized outlets for the marketing of these products. Like, I think of Winnie’s in Enterprise, the Fort Liard Craft Shop, certainly, shops here in Yellowknife that sells these products. Is there any program through the government which would help artisans organize themselves to market their products once they are made? Thank you.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I should probably qualify my statements on the moose hides. I think probably most people keep the moose hides for themselves, because they are an extremely valuable commodity in the communities. I think almost every community in the Northwest Territories has an arts and crafts or handicraft outlet where people can produce their craft and take it and sell. I know a lot of people make a lot of spending money from doing so, or some of them do it for their livelihood. We have quite a tremendous number of programs in this government. For example: we’ve upgraded our

NWT artist database; we have our branding logo program; we’ve been working on an NWT Arts Marketing Strategy; we do a lot of community consultations; we’re taking a number of arts and crafts people to the 2010 Olympics so that they can demonstrate their procedures and also their products; and, we also have a number of regional activities to further that. Also, through the BDIC we have a number of subsidiary programs that we use in a number of different communities.

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Question 39-16(4): Support For Arts And Crafts Sector

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Well, if communities are organized in the promoting and sale of arts and crafts in their communities, this is something relatively new to me. Because in a lot of small communities that I visited in the North, finding somebody who is an artisan and who has anything for sale in the community is like looking for a needle in a haystack most of the time and if you do find something, it’s very, very treasured.

Mr. Speaker, I guess it’s getting away from the business case for it, but a part of the tourism in the Northwest Territories is, again, to have access for visitors to view this particular area of culture in the NWT and I was wondering if the Minister could share with us what is being done to preserve and display something like the various art forms. What is being done by the government to preserve and display them for visitors and residents alike to enjoy? Thank you.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you. I guess to begin we hire a number of people to go around the Territories on a regular basis to demonstrate different techniques, for example, on how to tan moose hides. We’ve shown people how to create spruce root baskets and also people that show how to do different kinds of artwork, beadwork, moose hair tufting and so on. So this is something that we do on a regular basis.

In terms of promoting it, I think we’re trying just about everything. We have a 1-800 number to promote artists and so that people can call. We have regional product displays; we have marketing and promotion workshops. So we work with our Department of Transportation so that we can put up displays to promote the arts and crafts at the different airports we’re looking to set up displays. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 39-16(4): Support For Arts And Crafts Sector

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 39-16(4): Support For Arts And Crafts Sector

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you. That’s very informative and I must say that a lot of that information the Minister has just shared I was not aware of, but I think it is excellent to use government offices and spaces already owned by the government to display and promote arts and crafts in the Northwest Territories.

I would like to ask what role does the Prince of Wales Museum play in acting as an institution, I

guess, that has the capacity to collect, preserve, display arts and crafts in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Question 39-16(4): Support For Arts And Crafts Sector

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

The museum plays a very significant role, because we work very closely with our schools and education facilities, and certainly a lot of the children’s programs allow us to show some of these traditional activities. For example, we’ve worked with the Prince of Wales to have birch bark canoe projects where students from different schools can build a birch bark canoe, for example. So that’s all been put on tape and there are also books that have been created to show that. So we’re doing that with a number of different kinds of activities.

The Prince of Wales has been very helpful in recreating some techniques that have been lost and recreated so that people can recover those skills. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 39-16(4): Support For Arts And Crafts Sector

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi Cho, Mr. Speaker. Based on my Member’s statement today I have questions for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation .

Can the Minister advise me if direction has been given to the staff to find creative solutions to address maintenance and repair issues for homeowners that have mortgage arrears or land tax or lease arrears? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The NWT Housing Corp has program staff in the regions and headquarters who work daily to find solutions to meet the housing needs of residents. On the issue of arrears and its impact on applications, it doesn’t prevent anyone from applying for the program; however, according to our policies, it prevents them from qualifying until their arrears are resolved.

We’ve had many people understanding that and are starting to take steps to write off their arrears, because they know it’s going to prevent them from applying for or qualifying for housing programs. So that’s one of the positives that has come out of this. Thank you.

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Can the Minister tell me if the corporation has a strategy for dealing with clients that have income but feel that some of their housing problems are partly the fault of the NWT Housing Corporation, such as non-ventilated roofs where shingles were applied as an example? Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

The Housing Corporation is well aware of these problems that exist in the Member’s communities and other communities, and technical staff are determining the extent of the problem. Once this is determined, we will work with the homeowners to determine the repairs required and determine how the Housing Corporation can provide assistance to deal with the needed repairs. Thank you.

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The housing issues of many of my clients are very serious. Can the Minister assure me if the family situations and the day-to-day living situation is fully considered before the corporation decides to deny a client funding for a program? Thank you.

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

It’s the Housing Corporation’s intent to provide housing to those that are in need. The program advisors analyze family situations through the application process and each applicant meets personally with the program’s advisor and they have a priority allocation system that’s designed to ensure that assistance that’s provided to those that are in greatest need in the communities. Thank you.

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Your final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Many of the clients, at least in Tu Nedhe, don’t get out or are sometimes not aware of the timing of the delivery and so on. Can the Minister advise me if there’s an intention of the NWT Housing Corporation staff to visit the majority of the homes to do an assessment as part of the delivery of programs this coming fiscal year?

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Regional staff are always visiting existing homes of applicants for the CARE program. They have to do that to determine the extent of the repairs that are needed.

For us to actually go door to door and go through the application process, there is information out there right now saying when the district staff are going to be in the communities taking applications and we need buy-in from those folks out there that want to be applying for housing programs. They have to be able to come down, I think in one of the Member’s communities, I think October 23rd is the

date that comes to mind, and the Member has actually been asked to be with the Housing district staff when they go in there. So we need buy-in from people out there that are applying for homeownership.

Obviously there are going to be cases where some folks can’t quite make it out because of disabilities and that, and those folks we would be able to go and see. But for the most part we need folks to come out there and fill out the applications and then we’ll go from there. Thank you.

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Question 40-16(4): Tu Nedhe Housing Concerns

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 41-16(4): Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ll be asking questions to the Minister of Transportation today to follow up on my statement made earlier this afternoon. But, Mr. Speaker, it’s not just a follow-up of today’s statement, it’s also a follow-up of a statement I made 18 months ago where I raised the concerns of the usage of cell phones while people are driving.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister at the time, Mr. Norman Yakeleya , suggested in some way that part of these issues would be wrapped up and addressed through the Drive Alive campaign, but, I have to admit, nothing has moved forward. So, Mr. Speaker, the present-day Minister, I’d like to certainly hear his views and certainly the department’s views that are represented through him as to what is his department doing to move forward on legislation that restricts people from using cell phones while driving vehicles. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 41-16(4): Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not going to pretend to speak on behalf of the former Minister, but we did undertake, as a government, to provide information and provide an education campaign under the Drive Alive strategy and we have moved forward on that. We have not, aside from the Member raising it on a couple of occasions, had any cause for concern regarding distracted driving and we are not currently moving forward with any legislation at this time. Thank you.

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Question 41-16(4): Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

This morning I talked to the Minister and explained a story about what stirred this Member’s statement, that I had been recently contacted on Sunday by a constituent who actually saved a young person, potentially even their life or at least from serious injury, because a vehicle went around the corner and could have hit them. Now, Mr. Speaker, I can give other examples as well, but I brought that specific example to the Minister.

Mr. Speaker, why is this becoming a trend across the country and why is this even becoming a trend in the U.S., because they say that the National Transport Safety Board of the U.S. bans their employees from using cell phones while driving. So, Mr. Speaker, the evidence seems to be very clear and definitely pointing in one direction, which is banning the use of cell phones while driving

vehicles. So, Mr. Speaker, what will it take this Minister to consider this type of legislation and move forward on this issue as opposed to being asleep on it?

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

What it would take to get me to move forward on it would be to be convinced that there is an issue.

Mr. Speaker, the Member has had one instance and wants me to change legislation. So far what we’re doing on this issue is to look at what other jurisdictions are having to deal with on this. Currently it’s an issue in Yellowknife, if the Member is correct on the one instance that he’s referring to.

Cell phones do not work on our highway system, they don’t work in 22 of our communities, it’s not a huge issue for us. However, if he can bring me the names of all the people that are contacting him and present that as a concern, I’d certainly be able to reconsider. Thank you.

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Question 41-16(4): Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I have to say that the Minister’s answer was certainly disproportionate to the facts that exist today and the reality is several provinces are taking this on because they’ve done the research. The Canadian Medical Association agrees, Mr. Speaker. New England Journal thinks this is important. The National Transport Safety Board in the U.S. thinks it’s important. I’m not sure who is left that doesn’t think it’s important, other than the Minister, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what concrete position or evidence is the Minister looking for to actually entertain this idea and let’s get on board with it? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 41-16(4): Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

As I pointed out, there is no cell phone service on our highways and those are NWT roads. The municipalities have a mechanism to create bylaws that would ban cell phone services, not one of them has even come forward to consider that. We have legislation that already covers distracted driving as undue care and attention. I’d have to look at the information there, but up to now nothing has pointed to a real need except for the Member having somebody complain from his riding. Thank you.

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Question 41-16(4): Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think today is clear evidence of downloading a responsibility, which is really a territorial issue. Mr. Speaker, the Minister keeps referring to the highway. You know what? We don’t have cell phone coverage so why would it be an issue on the highway? I mean, come on now, seriously. Mr. Speaker, I’ve been approached by two city councillors on this particular issue, as well as I raised it a year and a half ago.

Mr. Speaker, once again I ask the Minister clearly how much more evidence does he need? Would he like a digest brought forward? Would he like a piece

of every legislation that has enacted this process? I mean, we’ve heard at least six or seven provinces that are seriously looking at this or have implemented this. So, Mr. Speaker, the evidence is clear and certainly pointing in one direction, let’s get on and do this. Thank you.

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Question 41-16(4): Cell Phone Ban On Motor Vehicle Drivers

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

The Member is correct; there are five other jurisdictions that have incorporated legislation in this area. I, however, am not convinced that there’s need for this type of legislation in the NWT. Creating legislation for legislation’s sake is not something that I plan to do. It’s expensive, it takes resources and, of course, that all adds up to a lot of dollars out of the department. So I can certainly commit that we’ll talk to the city and see if they share the Member’s feelings on the need for legislation. Thank you.

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