Debates of March 25th, 1993

This is page numbers 1177 - 1206 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister's Absence From House

Complicated Language In GNWT Legislation

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Status Of Chief Commissioner's Report On Wcb

Funding Arrangements For Divisional Boards

Reinstatement Of Quarterly Funding For Divisional Boards

Revisions To Labour Standards Legislation

Assessment Of Changes To Board Funding Arrangements

Appointments To Keewatin Regional Health Board

Status Of Alternate Housing Program

Previous Question Re Fuel Subsidy Alternatives

Ban On Caribou Hunting On Ingraham Trail

Social Assistance Fuel Subsidy Alternatives

Ramifications Of Lifting Interprovincial Trade Barriers

Status Of Review Of The Wildlife Act

Economic Development Officer For Pelly Bay

Number Of Year-round Fishermen

Successful Construction Of Fort Providence Ice Crossing

Negotiations To Access Federal Transportation Funding Initiative

Hiring Of Male Staff At The Territorial Women's Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

Timing Of Rental Increases Under The Long-term Staff Housing Strategy

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

To Reduce Funds From The Activity, Tax Administration

To Adopt Recommendation 1

To Adopt Recommendation 2

To Adopt Recommendation 3

To Adopt Recommendation 4

To Adopt Recommendation 5

To Adopt Recommendation 6

To Adopt Recommendation 7

To Adopt Recommendation 8

To Adopt Recommendation 9

To Adopt Recommendation 10

To Adopt Recommendation 11

To Adopt Recommendation 12

To Adopt Recommendation 13

To Adopt Recommendation 14

To Adopt Recommendation 15

To Adopt Recommendation 16

To Adopt Recommendation 17

To Adopt Recommendation 18

To Adopt Recommendation 19

To Adopt Recommendation 20

To Adopt Recommendation 21

To Adopt Recommendation 22

To Adopt Recommendation 23

To Adopt Recommendation 24

To Adopt Recommendation 25

To Adopt Recommendation 26

To Adopt Recommendation 27

To Adopt Recommendation 28

Tabled Document 91-12(3): Northwest Territories Aids Project - Review And Tabled Document 92-12(3): Hiv And Aids In Ihe NWT In 1993

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Clerk, it does not appear we have a quorum. Can you do a roll call please?

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Ms. Mike , Mr. Pollard , Ms. Cournoyea , Mr. Nerysoo , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Mr. Dent , Mr. Morin , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. It appears we have a quorum. The chair recognizes a quorum. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 71-12(3): Minister's Absence From House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House today. He is attending a community justice conference in Inuvik. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 71-12(3): Minister's Absence From House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Complicated Language In GNWT Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1177

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My honourable colleague from Yellowknife Centre has commented on several occasions about the need to ensure that government communications are worded plainly and in a fashion which can be easily understood by all of our constituents. I, too, feel that this is important, particularly with respect to the wording of legislation and regulations used by a broad segment of the public.

Recently, I have been reviewing the Territorial Labour Standards Act and I find that it is a terrible example of badly worded legislation. For example, Mr. Speaker, here is the way the act defines Victoria Day. I quote, "The day fixed by the Governor General for observance of the birthday of the reigning sovereign and includes any days substituted for any such holiday pursuant to

section 23 or 25." If we turn to

section 23, "Any other holiday may be substituted for a general holiday in any of the following circumstances:

a) where one, a class of employees of an employer is represented by a trade union; and two, the parties to a collective agreement entered into with regard to the terms or conditions of employment of the employees notify the labour standards office or in writing but a specified day has been designated in the collective agreement as a holiday with pay in lieu of a general holiday under this part. The designated day shall, for those employees mentioned in the collective agreement, be a general holiday for the purposes of the act

b) where one, no employees of an employer are represented."

Mr. Speaker, I will stop quoting at this point, but this

section of the act rambles on for almost a full page. It is tough to get a day off, Mr. Speaker. Seriously, though, I think this demonstrates a problem with our labour standards laws. It is not enough to enact legislation and put it into the hands of employers and employees. This Assembly must ensure that these important statutes are clear and understandable. I have many other concerns about the Territorial Labour Standards Act which I will be raising with the Minister during the remainder of this session. However, I hope at the very least, Mr. Speaker, he recognizes the need to update and clarify the language and terminology of this statute. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Complicated Language In GNWT Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Ms. Mike .

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Return To Question 528-12(3): GNWT Involvement In Phase I Of National Aids Strategy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Lewis on March 18, 1993, regarding the GNWT involvement in phase I of the national AIDS strategy.

Mr. Speaker, on March 18, 1993, the Member from Yellowknife Centre asked me whether the Government of the Northwest Territories was involved in phase I of the national AIDS strategy. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Health staff participated actively in phase I of the strategy with respect to the development of the Canada blue print on HIV/AIDS and the joint national committee on aboriginal AIDS education and prevention.

The Department of Health was consulted quite extensively during the development of the national strategy, phase I, through a contractor hired by the federal government for the purpose, through the federal/provincial/territorial advisory committee on AIDS, and through the other federal bodies dealing with AIDS, such as the health promotion directorate, the laboratory centre for disease control, and the federal centre for AIDS. During phase I of the national AIDS strategy, four NWT community groups accessed funds from the federal community development and support fund.

The department has also been involved in discussion leading to phase II of the strategy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I have two other returns, if I may, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 532-12(3): Press Release Announcing National Aids Strategy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1177

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

I have a return to oral question, asked by Mr. Lewis on March 18, 1993, regarding the press release announcing the national AIDS strategy.

Mr. Speaker, on March 18, 1993, the Member for Yellowknife Centre asked me whether any research on AIDS is done in the Northwest Territories. As a result of the Northwest Territories' size and limited facilities, most of the research conducted on AIDS is applied research. Research, monitoring and surveillance can sometimes be very similar, some of the things we are learning about AIDS in the Northwest Territories that might be called "research" are:

1. The way HIV affects Inuit or Dene people. Each known case of infection is monitored very carefully to see if there are any differences in the way aboriginal people of the NWT get sick compared to southern Canadians infected with HIV;

2. The way the epidemic is spreading. The Department of Health has been looking at how the virus is spreading here compared to southern Canada and the rest of the world;

3. Why people are putting themselves at risk. What precautions do NWT residents take (or do not take) that places them at risk of getting infected; and

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 548-12(3): Status Of Recommendations On Abortion Review

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

I have a return to oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on March 19, 1993, regarding the status of recommendations on the abortion review.

Mr. Speaker, on March 19,1993, the Member for Thebacha asked me what the department's progress was on the abortion review committee's recommendations.

Mr. Speaker, the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital is proceeding with implementation of the recommendations and will be providing an update to the department following its board meeting in April, 1993.

With respect to the other NWT hospitals, abortions have been provided to women from the Inuvik region at the Inuvik Regional Hospital since mid-January, 1993. Abortion services are expected to be available at the Baffin Regional Hospital by mid-May, 1993. Health professionals in the Baffin region will be provided with instruction on abortion counselling at a nursing conference to be held in Iqaluit in May, 1993. Community health representatives in the Baffin region will have a workshop on abortion counselling next week.

Mr. Speaker, the H H Williams Memorial Hospital and the Department of Health have agreed that while abortions will not be performed at the hospital, clients will be referred to the public health unit in Hay River for counselling and information on the availability of services in Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 548-12(3): Status Of Recommendations On Abortion Review

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Allooloo .

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Further Return To Question 526-12(3): Nwt Athletes' Participation In Aboriginal Summer Games

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Zoe on March 18, 1993 regarding the North American aboriginal summer games.

Mr. Speaker, I can confirm that the department will consider financial support to groups or teams that submit their proposals to participate in this summer's North American indigenous games.

As I indicated in my earlier reply on this matter, the department does not have a program for these games, nor have there been any specific plans made.

Mr. Speaker, the department will, however, review requests on a case by case basis and will assist with travel costs to the games, similar to our approach in 1990.

Since there is no specific program in place to allow for participation in the indigenous games, I will need to review and approve requests. To allow communities time to submit requests, I am prepared to receive requests up to May 18, 1993. I will make the decision on funding to be provided at that time and groups will have two months to prepare teams for the competition. Consideration will be given based on the official size of teams allowed by the North American indigenous games technical criteria. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 526-12(3): Nwt Athletes' Participation In Aboriginal Summer Games

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Koe .

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Question 585-12(3): Status Of Chief Commissioner's Report On Wcb

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Mr. Speaker, in mid-January a review was completed by Mr. Garnet Garvin on the Workers' Compensation Board, and the report was tabled in this House. I would like to ask the Minister the status of the final report of the chief commissioner. What is the

Workers' Compensation Board doing with the recommendations made by the chief commissioner?

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Question 585-12(3): Status Of Chief Commissioner's Report On Wcb

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Todd .

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Question 585-12(3): Status Of Chief Commissioner's Report On Wcb

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

In the report made by the chief commissioner, there are recommendations that require legislative changes. On Tuesday, I will be tabling a legislative action paper. There are also a number of recommendations in the report that do not require legislative change, that can be done now based upon board direction. It is my understanding that that is happening with the new board. They are going to be taking the recommendations that can be done, outside of legislation, and enact some of them. Mr. Speaker, on Tuesday, as long as I do not have any problems with translation, I hope to table a Workers' Compensation Board legislative action paper. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 586-12(3): Funding Arrangements For Divisional Boards

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Education . I think everyone is aware that the divisional board's budget will now be put out quarterly instead of monthly. I am asking the Minister of Education with regard to funding for divisional board, will this be more appropriate and will they receive more interest? Can the Minister indicate what the outcome of this process will be? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 586-12(3): Funding Arrangements For Divisional Boards

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Nerysoo .

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Question 586-12(3): Funding Arrangements For Divisional Boards

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, the present method of payments with regard to financing the school boards is on a monthly basis. I have spoken to the representatives of the school boards and have indicated to them that I will deal with the question of the needs of financing, but it is certainly not our intention to move away from the monthly payment schedule. We will increase the amount based on the need to accommodate their ability to delivery programs.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 587-12(3): Reinstatement Of Quarterly Funding For Divisional Boards

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To continue with the questioning of my colleague from Lake Harbour, I would like to direct my question to the Minister for Education . Initially the school boards or community education councils were funded on a quarterly basis. They were paid every three months. This allows the community education council, or the divisional board, to get into the financial management. By that I mean, they were able to make a term deposit and earn interest and use that money to fund other programs not financed by the system.

I wonder if the Minister has received requests from each of the divisional boards or community education councils requesting the initial funding be reinstated on a quarterly basis? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Nerysoo .

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Question 587-12(3): Reinstatement Of Quarterly Funding For Divisional Boards

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Requests have been made by various school boards that we pay or provide financial resources on a quarterly basis. However, as a result of our response to the Auditor General, who recommended and was approved in this House that we fund our boards based on a monthly schedule, we have responded positively. When I spoke to the boards' representatives, I indicated to them I would pay financial resources based on their need and if up-front money was required, then we would do that, but we would still pay over a 12-month schedule. The larger amounts would be given early on in the year.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question 588-12(3): Revisions To Labour Standards Legislation

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Safety and Public Services . Mr. Speaker, I believe this Minister in particular is someone who believes in speaking plainly and saying what he means clearly, that is why it is so ironic that he should be responsible for labour standards legislation which is framed in language which is complicated and difficult to interpret. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister confirm that this statute has never been subjected to a comprehensive revision, even though it has existed in its present form since 1967?

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Question 588-12(3): Revisions To Labour Standards Legislation

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Todd .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Me no understandee. No, Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding, in the spring of 1980, there was a labour standards law review panel and they reported to the Minister at the time with a number of recommendations. I agree with the honourable Member that there is a need for some kind of comprehensive review of these laws because, as he said earlier, they were created in the 1960s. We are not in the 1960s, and I will be attempting, in the coming weeks, to put together a paper for Cabinet's consideration that this review take place.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Arvaluk .

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Question 589-12(3): Assessment Of Changes To Board Funding Arrangements

Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Education along the lines of what my colleague, Mr. Ningark , was asking. It may be more of a clarification. When the Minister is handing out large amounts at the beginning of the fiscal year, will that larger amount reflect what

the divisional board has been able to generate from interest rates when they were on the quarterly contribution schedule?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, in responding to the question, I would like to indicate from the assessments which have been done, I doubt very much if we would be able to meet those reductions which have occurred. However, the honourable Member should be aware that we are presently reviewing our school financing and are considering certain proposals which could see an increase in the overall budget for schools, and that may be the basis on which we respond to the concerns that the school boards have.

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Page 1180

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, if the amount will not be near or reflected from the interest income by the divisional boards, will the Minister then be able to identify separate budgets for cultural programs and productions of materials that some divisional boards have been able to create?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe, presently, we are as a department, along with the support of my Cabinet colleagues, ensuring we deal with the matter of providing necessary financial assistance in the area of culture or the aboriginal curriculum side. My view is that once we have approved the curriculum, we will have the responsibility to respond with the financial resources. However, it requires approval from my Cabinet colleagues.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is my last supplementary. Can the Minister tell the House when a report on the research in this area will be ready?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. I can indicate to the honourable Member that the review has been completed. I have reviewed it and will forward it to my Cabinet colleagues for consideration, however while I may be positive in terms of my support, it still must be dealt with in the context of the financial situation which we find ourselves in right now.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . I stated in a Member's statement last week, Mr. Speaker, that there had not been an active member on the Keewatin regional health board since December, 1991. I also know there are presently two other communities in the region which are not represented on the Keewatin regional health board at this time. I would like to know when the Minister will be appointing members to the regional health board from those communities.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The vacancy for the representative position from Arviat is currently in the process of being filled. Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, a further question. I would like to know the process used by the Minister for appointments on the regional health boards?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The process of selecting at the community level involves hamlet councils, the Department of Health, my office and is then dealt with at the Cabinet level. This is called for in the Territorial Hospital Insurance Services Act. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1180

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Housing . Mr. Speaker, I recently received a copy of a letter from the chief of the Fort Smith native band, addressed to the Minister of Housing with regard to the concern expressed of the alternate housing program not being delivered to the band this year. Can the Minister indicate whether that particular program, since he has had many different programs developed over the past year, is the old alternate housing program still in existence? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The alternate housing program is part of the access program and is allocated to communities. All the allocations are made from the needs survey. Fort Smith has 101 people in core need, and has been allocated 12 units which are all under the access program. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You indicated the alternate housing program is part and parcel of the access program and in the past these alternate housing programs were specifically considered for Fort Smith band members or Metis members. Can the Minister indicate to me out of those 12 units which are being allocated to Fort Smith, will the Housing Corporation consider a few of those units be designated for the Fort Smith native band or the Metis local? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All 12 units are designated for Fort Smith. There is an allocation committee, which is comprised of band members, Metis members and the town, to allocate the units. That is the process. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, in the past, it has been the global allocation committee which determines whether they should be public units, HAP units or whatever type of units the Housing Corporation delivered. I know in the past year, the Minister's officials eliminated that process for the global allocation committee. Is the Minister indicating now that this global allocation is to be reinstated to determine the type of units that the community should have and who they should be designated to? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The allocation of units is based on clients who are in need. The people in Fort Smith are able to afford to run their own units, so the access program will address that need. In the past, if you wanted to trade some of those houses off for public units, you would have had to find someone else willing to make the trade because we had to keep the mix the same, public units, access units and alternate units, in order to build with the dollars we had. If the community has a request to change some of the access units to alternate units, I would be happy to consider that. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am grateful that the Minister will consider the request for change, but just a minute ago he said that this is to determine, by the global allocation committee, what type of units should be delivered in the community. Are the units to be built, whether they be alternate housing programs under the access program, determined by the global allocation committee or by the Minister's office? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Neither. It is determined by the needs survey that the community did. The needs survey is very specific on the type of units that the community needs and the allocation is made to try to address that need. It is not the global committee that says "If we have 10 units, then we want to build five public and five alternate." It has to fit in the overall picture. We need the right percentages of units in order to maximize the number of units we can deliver in a given year.

That mix has got to be the same and then we try to allocate them to meet the needs that are determined by the needs survey. The needs survey indicates it, the Housing Corporation allocates it, but if a community has a concern, for example, in this case you have ten access units, I would consider that. Maybe there is another community that wants some access units and is willing to give up some alternate units. I would consider that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Order, please. I would like to recognize in the gallery, the mayor of Fort Simpson, Ray Michaud...

---Applause

...and the deputy mayor of Fort Simpson, Mr. Tom Wilson.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services. I received a short letter from the Minister, but the letter did not answer the question I asked. I wonder if the question was understood. It was on the fuel alternative for the wood subsidy program. I stated in my letter very clearly that since the wood subsidy program is in place with the government already, why are other fuel subsidies, such as kerosene or natural gas that are used for camping or if you have a shack on the beach, not considered? The letter I received did not answer that. I would like to know why these are not included?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I recollect correctly, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Arvaluk 's question was in the form that the primary use of heating oil was for the elders. My response was, when he asked why these are not included in the subsidy program, I would not recommend it as the Minister of Health or Social Services for safety reasons. The letter I provided him was merely asking for names because I would like to know who these elders are who use the fuels he mentioned as a primary source of fuel. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I could tell the Minister right now that April, May, June, July, August and September, in those six months out of the year, the grandparents are the backbone for making spring and summer camps enjoyable and rewarding for grandchildren. These are the primary uses during those six months. I do not know what other fuel you can use in that time frame when you are out at camp. The Minister is not able to identify these very simple facts. Every one of us who comes from the eastern Arctic knows these things. According to the letter she has written me, will she try to find out?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I refer to "primary source of fuel", that is year-round use. Social assistance recipients purchase fuel with their social assistance money. I am from the east too, Mr. Arvaluk , and I know. Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I am not going to attempt to correct the Minister's knowledge regarding this one. However, I would like to point out that buying of naphtha gas or kerosene for portable heating or cooking is part of the whole Social Services recipients allowance. They are not identified separately. If a Social Services recipient is allotted $400, the fuel is already included, contrary to what they are allotted in the western Arctic, where wood is separate from that amount. It is part of the whole page in the eastern Arctic.

This is why I cannot qualify this as an alternative to the wood subsidy program under that program. It is not separate. It is not like that. Can the Minister tell me whether that is separate or part of the whole Social Services recipients allowance?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The wood and fuel subsidy program is a separate program on its own to assist the elders, as well as the social assistance recipients, to subsidize their fuel all year. It is not for camping or going out on the land. Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I cannot see that my friends in the western Arctic would only use wood when they are not in camps. They are not allowed to use it when they are in camp. What I am saying is that life-styles in the east or the west, half of the time, if you are a normal person, you will spend it out on the land. It is not like working people who take two weeks off a year and go camping. It is not like that. They actually live out in the camp for half of the year. It is not pleasure camping. They see it as part of their life-style.

Perhaps the Minister can indicate by saying "yes" or "no" that the fuel subsidy in the east is part of the food allowance, part of the actual Social Services allowances,

whereas it is different in the west where they get a fuel subsidy on top of the food allowance. Is this statement true?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have indicated earlier, the families who go out on the land, and who are recipients of social assistance, get assistance to purchase the fuel which they require. The other subsidy program is for home owners. The elders or anyone who is on social assistance receives the subsidy. Thank you.

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I would like to remind Members when they ask a question that the lead in to the question should be very short and used to set up the question. I have allowed a certain amount of latitude for more complex questions. I would ask Members to remember this. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 593-12(3): Ban On Caribou Hunting On Ingraham Trail

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Renewable Resources . The caribou are on the move again, they are moving north this time. They are passing through Back Bay and on to the Ingraham Trail on their journey north. I would like to ask him whether or not the hunting ban on the Ingraham Trail is still in effect?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Caribou are always on the move.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, the restriction with regard to caribou hunting on the Ingraham Trail is still in effect. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I should know better than to phrase my questions in such a way that the Minister can respond as he did. I meant they were journeying south at one point and they are turned around and are journeying back. The concern which many people have, Mr. Speaker, is that the ban may not have been in effect and that hunting will again take place. How long is this ban in place for?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The hunting restriction on the side of the road on Ingraham Trail starts in November and ends at the end of April. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the department considering a year-round hunting ban or shooting restriction on the Ingraham Trail?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have had some discussion on this issue. My department is aware that there might be some safety concern on the Ingraham Trail. At the present, time we have no plans to further restrict the hunting on the Ingraham Trail. If the Members of this House want to see further restrictions on the Ingraham Trail in terms of big game hunting, we can explore that option. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is not very clear in many people's minds what this hunting ban or restriction is. As for the dates, Mr. Speaker, it may be confusing to the general public, whether it is a fall ban or includes the spring. I have not heard anything on the radio. Would the department step up its information program to avoid any kind of confusion which this hunting ban may pose?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will ask my department to place advertisements on the radio and newspapers to inform the public of these dates with regard to the restriction of hunting on the Ingraham Trail. Thank you.

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Question 594-12(3): Social Assistance Fuel Subsidy Alternatives

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1183

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a follow-up on Mr. Arvaluk 's question to the Minister of Social Services . Mr. Speaker, I understood the Minister in her last response to say that social assistance recipients who were going on the land are provided with monies to purchase naphtha and other supplies. Is the Minister saying there is an entitlement for monies for naphtha for eligible social assistance recipients going out on the land?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not say "naphtha." I said "kerosene." I have relatives who have taken up on this social assistance program and they used it for purchasing kerosene. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, do I understand that. In addition to the allowance for food, clothing, shelter and transportation for handicapped people, there is an entitlement to kerosene for people going on the land? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The social assistance recipients are eligible to receive assistance for kerosene. This is part of their social assistance. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, is the Minister saying that there is a formula or an allotment for kerosene for people going out on the land under the social assistance regulations? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, for recipients, when they receive social assistance, there is no certain allotment to purchase kerosene fuel. If they want to purchase kerosene fuel, they can do so. I cannot dictate. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been listening to the radio this morning, and I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Finance with regard to lifting the provincial trade barriers. I want to get some clarification on what exactly this means. It is with regard to the egg, chicken and fish quotas. Are we looking at getting rid of all these marketing boards in order for those trades to go freely across each province?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, with regard to the agricultural products, that is being dealt with by the agricultural Ministers. It was agreed by the Ministers of trade that they would allow that process to continue with those Ministers with a reporting mechanism back to the Ministers of trade. That is one of the things that is possible, depending on how provinces feel about the operation of those boards. I expect, some time in the next six months, there will be a report made back to the Ministers of trade. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In response to what the Minister said about the agricultural Ministers getting together to discuss the continuation of those boards, are we, as a territory, not included in those boards? Are we going to be on equal footing with them with regard to quota allocations?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, CEMA has offered us a quota. It may very well be that we may accept that offer and become part of the CEMA family, as it were. Being at the table, we would have our say. I would point out to the House, though, Mr. Speaker, that it would take some 33 signatories across Canada to ratify the agreement that CEMA has put forward to us. We are looking at the quota that they have proposed to us and looking at the time frame that they have allowed for the wind down of any surplus that we have in the Northwest Territories. We are looking at that right now. I have said that I expect it to be concluded some time in the next 90 days, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Who, from this government, is representing us in those discussions right now? Since we are part of lifting the trade barriers, it does not give us any kind of equal partnership arrangements with the marketing boards. I do not know why we should be involved if, down the line, we are not equal partners in the operation of those boards. It does have an effect on the territories with regard to northern preference. I would like to know what it really means as the end result of those discussions.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, the trade Ministers, and I guess I am the trade and agricultural Minister for the Northwest Territories at the present time, are dealing with the barriers within Canada for free trade amongst the provinces and the territories. That is as a result of the first Ministers' conference where that was recommended to be dealt with by the trade Ministers across the country. I understand the Member's question, and that is, if we are not a player in CEMA at the present time, will we be at the table to decide eventually what happens?

I do not think any meaningful decisions are going to be made in that regard, certainly not in the next 90 days. In that time, I hope to sort out our problems with CEMA and see that, if we accept their offer, we are sitting at the table. If we cannot accept their offer, we will rethink our situation. Certainly, we would still participate at the trade Ministers' conference. Thank you.

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Question 596-12(3): Status Of Review Of The Wildlife Act

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Renewable Resources . About a year ago, the Minister of Renewable Resources stated in this House that the department was doing a comprehensive review of the Wildlife Act. What progress has been made with regard to this review? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our intention was to do a comprehensive review of the Wildlife Act of the Northwest Territories. Because of the land claims that came on stream within the last couple of years, especially with the Gwich'in, TFN and Sahtu coming along, we thought the best thing to do would be to amend the legislation to take into account the agreements that were put in place for Inuvialuit, Gwich'in and also the TFN agreement, and maybe Sahtu. At the present time, we are trying to make an assessment on how to best approach a need to change our legislation. Right now, Mr.

Speaker, I have an amendment with respect to the Inuvialuit area. Once Nunavut is a reality, the government will have to change the legislation for the Nunavut area. Thank you.

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Question 597-12(3): Economic Development Officer For Pelly Bay

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Mr. Speaker, economic development is an essential requirement in communities across the territories. I know the honourable Minister is aware the communities in the Kitikmeot region are not in the best economic position as compared to other communities in other regions. This is not due to the lack of community initiatives. There are communities in my region which are innovative and want to get into the economic development program.

This may have been due to a lack of support from the government from the system. I know the honourable Minister is endeavouring to change that. We appreciate his initiative. When is the government going to put an economic development position in Pelly Bay? I know the Minister attempted to do that last year. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 598-12(3): Number Of Year-round Fishermen

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Last week, Mr. Speaker, a group of fishermen from Hay River were here to talk to some of the Members. The situation presented by the fishermen was fairly bleak. They were not at all happy with the situation in which they were faced. Yet, today when I was reading a newspaper, they had a fairly successful year, at least by the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation's standpoint. They say the fishermen of the lake had an average season.

Winter fisheries and summer fisheries, are these the same fishing people, Mr. Speaker, both those who fish in the summer and those who fish in the winter, or is there a difference?

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Michael Ballantyne

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, for the most part the fishermen who fish in the winter fish in the summer, although there are some fishermen who only fish in the summer and there are some fishermen who only fish in the winter. For the most part, they are the same people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 599-12(3): Successful Construction Of Fort Providence Ice Crossing

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Transportation . I understand the department has been using new spray equipment to construct the Fort Providence ice crossing for the past two or three years. The new equipment is supposed to allow the road to be built more quickly than the old drill and flood method. I am told that this new spray equipment cost the department in the neighbourhood of $200,000 but that the kinks are still being worked out. Mr. Speaker, I am strongly in favour of the new technology, but I wonder when the department will master this new equipment.

Can the Minister advise the House as to the success of the department so far in constructing the Fort Providence ice crossing more quickly and efficiently with the new spray equipment?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the honourable Member said, this is state of the art technology. This is the first year that we have put this into place. It is a little early at this time to evaluate the savings or the time we have saved in doing the ice crossing. I would think, perhaps, with next year's opportunity, we have learned some of the mistakes we have made this year and that by next year we should be in a better position.

I am optimistic, while it was a $200,000 investment, we will be able to achieve the objective, and that is to get the ice road in place as quickly as possible so everyone can take advantage of it. However, it is a little early at this time to evaluate whether that expenditure is the right one and whether, in fact, it has achieved the end it is supposed to achieve.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

I would like to ask the Minister, Mr. Speaker, if the department has plans to use this new spray equipment in other areas such as the Liard, Camsell, Arctic Red River and Fort McPherson.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I actually do not know. I would think, and I can check with the departmental officials, if it is successful in the Fort Providence area and it achieves the end it was supposed to achieve and that is to move more quickly to get the ice conditions appropriate for the movement of traffic, then I would hope that we could do similar projects at other crossings. At this time, it would be a little premature to make a commitment on that.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When this spray equipment is used in Fort Providence it is trucked in from Hay River. The equipment at $200,000 each is a substantial investment to be transporting every year. I would like to ask the Minister whether he has considered storing that equipment in Fort Providence.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I do not know why it is trucked from Hay River to Fort Providence, but we will certainly give due consideration to the possibility of having it stored in the area where it is used.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you. My last supplementary. During the times when this equipment is used, we have people from Hay River going to Providence every day to supervise the equipment. Does the Minister plan on ensuring that we have people in Providence trained to eventually take over that type of task?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Let me say from the outset, Mr. Speaker, I am not that familiar with this operation. However, I will say that it would be appropriate, with this new technology, to have people in Fort Providence prepared to be trained and employed in the use of this equipment. We would take that action. I will talk to the department, and if it is not happening, I will take steps to ensure that it does. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 600-12(3): Negotiations To Access Federal Transportation Funding Initiative

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This question is to the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, with great fanfare, earlier this year, the Minister of Finance for Canada announced a $500 million transportation infrastructure initiative on the part of the federal government in cooperation with the provincial jurisdictions. I understand that a portion of that money was intended for the Northwest Territories. I also understand that the Government of Yukon has made announcements regarding their entitlement to a $10 million chunk of the $500 million. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister of Transportation is, how are we coming along in getting our share of this $500 million? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We did, in fact, present to the federal Minister of Transportation a wish list of projects we thought could come under the $500 million Mazankowski initiative. The Yukon made an announcement indicating they had $10 million, I am not sure if that is fact, we would have to check with them. At the present time, discussions are under way between deputies within the Department of Transportation and within the Department of Finance to reach an accommodation with the menu we have presented to the federal government.

At this time, we have not had a definitive response to what we have requested, however, I am optimistic that there will be dollars allocated to the Northwest Territories. Whether they will be allocated to our needs, as my department has presented them, I am not sure. I am hoping an announcement will be made jointly between the federal and territorial government within the next two weeks. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the honourable Minister would care to speculate, and perhaps his officials have gleaned some hints, as to what kind of money we might be talking about for our share of this $500 million new initiative in the Northwest Territories?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

As I indicated earlier, the initial menu that we sent in was somewhere around $29 million. It did detail some of the areas we felt, territorially and federally, we could collectively finance. Some of the airports that are incomplete and some of the marine infrastructure required across the Arctic, in particular the east, were included. Subsequently, we have priorized $10 million worth of projects that we think the federal government will look favourably upon and while I do not have a response at this time, I am cautiously optimistic that we

will be in a position soon to make a joint announcement that these funds will be available to the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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You are still within the time, Mr. Patterson , your last supplementary.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This news is encouraging. Is there a predetermined formula for the share or contribution to be expected from the Northwest Territories as a condition of receiving this money, or can we get it and use it without necessarily matching it? Thank you.

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