Debates of May 26th, 2005

This is page numbers 25 - 48 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Fiscal Update

GNWT Actions To Support Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Project

Preparing For The Pipeline: Financial Support To Community Governments

Ban On Overproof Alcohol Needed

Concerns Over Uncertain Pipeline Future

Congratulations To Arctic College Graduates From Tu Nedhe

Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre To Hay River

Impacts Of The Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Expanded Downpayment Assistance Program Concerns

Prince Of Wales Northern Heritage Centre Renovations

Lack Of Support For The Fort Simpson Summer Student Program

City Of Yellowknife "heterosexual Day"

Support For The Mackenzie Valley Gas Pipeline

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Control Of NWT Liquor Sales

Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre

Closure Of The South Slave Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Question 15-5(4): Control Of NWT Liquor Sales

Prince Of Wales Northern Heritage Centre Renovations

Expanded Downpayment Assistance Program

Property Tax Assessments And Arrears

Status Of Inuvik Hospital Tender

Socioeconomic Impacts Of Pipeline Development

Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre

Dust Control Chipseal Program In The Sahtu

Reduction In Corporate Tax Revenues

Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre

Diavik Employee Travel Policy

Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre

Written Question 1-15(4): Federal Contributions To The Nwt

Written Question 2-15(4): Alcohol Sales And Revenue

Tabled Document 2-15(4): NWT Tourism 2003-04 Annual Report

Bill 10:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Members, for your information, the first hour-and-a-half of our session today will be interpreted in South Slavey.

Also, I would like to draw Members' attention to the gallery today. There is a very enthusiastic group of teachers, parents and chaperones up there from Grade 6 classes from Hay River. Welcome to the Legislative Assembly. I hope you enjoy the proceedings.

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Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 3-15(4): Fiscal Update

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to update Members and NWT residents on this government's fiscal position and outlook.

When I presented the budget in February, we were looking at a fairly positive fiscal situation, both in the short and long term. At that time, we forecast a 2004-05 year-end operating surplus of about $44 million, primarily the result of the increases to our formula funding grant and federal health transfers arising from last fall's First Ministers meetings.

Despite receiving these additional funds, our interim public accounts will show an $18 million deficit for the year 2004-05, as a result of retroactive changes to corporate income tax entitlements, along with booking a liability for the Giant Mine remediation.

The corporate tax changes relate to a refund to a company filing an amended corporate tax return for the 2000 tax year, claiming subsequent offsetting capital losses against previous income. This claim is expected to reduce GNWT corporate taxes by $36 million. Given that the federal government has been the primary beneficiary of previous large corporate income tax windfalls, we believe it is incumbent on Canada to compensate the GNWT for this lost revenue. If we receive a positive response to our claim to Canada, we will reflect this in an upward revenue adjustment on the grant side. At this time, however, our accounts must reflect the lower tax revenue.

The second issue relates to the conclusion of a cooperation agreement with Canada respecting the Giant Mine remediation project. This agreement means that we will be accruing a liability of $23 million to reflect the GNWT's share of the liability of this remediation. Approval for this expenditure will be sought in a supplementary appropriation.

These are both one-time events which will not affect future fiscal years' revenues or expenditures, although the reduction in CIT will have a temporary effect on tax revenues in the next few years as it works through the federal process of tax estimates and adjustments.

Mr. Speaker, on the positive side, our current outlook for the present fiscal year is only marginally lower than the February forecast.

We continue to face the same uncertainty, however, regarding our fiscal arrangements with Canada that I outlined in the budget. New rules for formula financing after 2005-06 will not be established until after the federal Expert Panel on Equalization and Territorial Formula Financing provides its recommendations. The panel is scheduled to report in late 2005. In addition, we are still discussing the terms of a resource revenue sharing arrangement with Canada and the Aboriginal Summit. Until these issues are resolved, we cannot predict with certainty our revenue levels or how economic growth will affect our fiscal situation.

There are many outstanding federal-territorial issues, in addition to formula financing and resource revenue sharing, which will affect our fiscal situation and our ability to pursue our goals. These include the need to deal with the social and economic impacts of development on our residents and our communities, the need to change the borrowing limit, the negotiation of federal gas tax funding for communities, and many more.

Mr. Speaker, our fiscal relationship with Canada is at a critical point. Canada must recognize that if we can make progress on these issues in ways that reflect the unique circumstances in which the Northwest Territories finds itself, we can make lasting changes that can permanently improve the quality of life for NWT residents and benefit Canada as a whole.

The revenue and expenditure changes I have just discussed today do not warrant change to our basic fiscal strategy. We will continue to pursue the fiscal responsibility policy I outlined in the budget in February. Our territory's economic prospects remain strong. The recent decision by De Beers to proceed with the Snap Lake diamond mine will support strong economic growth in 2005 and 2006. We remain optimistic that the Mackenzie gas project will proceed on schedule.

Mr. Speaker, we will continue to follow the path outlined in the budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 3-15(4): Fiscal Update

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Minister's Statement 4-15(4): GNWT Actions To Support Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide the House with an update on the Mackenzie gas project. On April 27, 2005, Imperial Oil Limited, on behalf of the Mackenzie Gas Producers Group, announced a shift of attention from engineering studies to an increased focus on the pressing regulatory issues associated with the proposed Mackenzie gas project. The producers group also expressed the view that the economic demands in access and benefit negotiations were beyond the scope of what properly constitutes those agreements.

The producers group also made it clear that they expected the federal and territorial governments to address socioeconomic impact requirements along the pipeline route. Mr. Speaker, we are in the process of doing that. GNWT and aboriginal leaders have asked the federal government to provide funding to deal with socioeconomic needs in the Mackenzie Valley. We have received a commitment from the Deputy Prime Minister and other federal Ministers that they will provide funding to do this and we are now working to determine an appropriate amount.

Mr. Speaker, we have also taken steps to support communities in this process. The GNWT is sponsoring three regional social impact workshops in Fort Simpson, Norman Wells and Inuvik in late May and June.

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The workshops will allow residents to discuss socioeconomic concerns and help identify the best ways to deal with impacts.

Mr. Speaker, we are optimistic that the successful resolution of the socioeconomic issues surrounding this project will allow aboriginal organizations and the Mackenzie Gas Producers Group to work towards a successful conclusion of the access and benefit agreements.

While the proponents did defer some work on the project, the regulatory process continues and so do our efforts in this area. Through the Mackenzie Valley pipeline office, our departments are working together to identify impacts and solutions. The GNWT is also fully engaged in the regulatory review. Our departments are working together with both the National Energy Board and the Joint Review Panel processes to ensure the interests of the Northwest Territories are protected.

The GNWT also recently announced $1.3 million to help communities plan for the Mackenzie gas project. My colleague, the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , will provide the House with more details on this initiative later today.

Mr. Speaker, the GNWT has taken a number of important steps to facilitate the effective development of the Mackenzie gas project. We continue to believe the project will provide many positive benefits for the territory, but most importantly this project will benefit our residents and provide opportunities that would not otherwise exist. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 4-15(4): GNWT Actions To Support Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 5-15(4): Preparing For The Pipeline: Financial Support To Community Governments

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, community governments in the Mackenzie Valley are facing many challenges in preparing for the proposed Mackenzie gas pipeline project.

As well as getting ready for the complex review process involved with the project, community governments also need to plan for impacts that this project and the exploration and development activity associated with the pipeline will have on their communities.

Minister Bell and I heard this message loud and clear at the Preparing for the Pipeline Community Leaders Conference sponsored by the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs in Inuvik last December.

We heard this message again at regional workshops in the Deh Cho and during meetings with community leaders over the winter and spring.

In response to concerns raised by community governments and by Members of this Assembly, I am pleased to inform the Assembly that the Government of the Northwest Territories has recently approved new funding for community governments to prepare for the pipeline.

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Community governments will receive nearly $1.3 million this year to assist in assessing the impacts of the proposed pipeline, and to prepare strategies to maximize benefits and minimize any potential negative impacts.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs will provide $20,000 to 21 communities affected by the pipeline to assist in preparing their communities for the regulatory review process. To date, all but two of the eligible community governments have applied for this funding.

Further funding of up to $30,000 per community will be available to review proposals, assess impacts, negotiate community access agreements and undertake general planning and preparation. Community governments eligible to apply for this extra funding include the 21 affected communities and Yellowknife, which is an intervener in the review process.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories is of the view that all communities may experience some impacts from the project. Therefore, we have made up to $15,000 available to each of the remaining 11 community governments in the Northwest Territories to help them review, plan for, and assess any potential impacts or opportunities for their community as a result of the pipeline construction.

We have also secured funding for some essential support work. This work includes two more regional workshops planned for the Sahtu and the Beaufort-Delta regions, and funding to assist community governments to research and analyze common issues. This research and assistance may include engineering, infrastructure and legal research and advice.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories recognizes that community governments need support to better participate in the review of the environmental impact statement and the regulatory review process. Communities must be able to address capacity shortfalls that could result from the added workload associated with preparing for the pipeline. On behalf of my colleagues, I am pleased to announce that the government will provide this support. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 5-15(4): Preparing For The Pipeline: Financial Support To Community Governments

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Members, before we go to the next item, I would like to inform Members that as well as South Slavey interpreters today, we also have Tlicho interpreters for the first hour-and-a-half.

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Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Ban On Overproof Alcohol Needed

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we all know the devastating addiction problems we are having in the Northwest Territories. Addictions are ruining our communities and our homes. Alcohol is one of the worst addictions in our communities. With alcohol, we don't have to find someone to sell it to you. You don't have to search in back alleys, as it's always available in communities. In fact, in magazines and on television, they encourage you to buy it and buy a lot of it because they say it will make your life better and you will have more fun with it. Well, they couldn't be more wrong, Mr. Speaker.

I may not be able to get all the alcohol banned from the Northwest Territories, but I would like to see overproof banned from our liquor stores.

Mr. Speaker, regular alcohol is 40 percent proof, but overproof alcohol can be as high as 160 percent. We shouldn't consider it a legal substance. Transport Canada has already labelled overpoof alcohol as a dangerous good. Why can't we do that with liquor in the Northwest Territories? When people get hold of overproof alcohol, they don't realize how dangerous it could be to them and their families. It's easier to smuggle into communities than beer or wine, which means people get addicted to the real hard substance. They build a tolerance to this level of alcohol and they need more and more to get high.

Alcohol is a controlled substance. We have the power to stop the overproof alcohol from being sold here in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the government to put into some sort of legislation that overproof alcohol will be prohibited from the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Concerns Over Uncertain Pipeline Future

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's good to hear the Minister of MACA make a statement this morning with regard to the pipeline.

Mr. Speaker, since the announcement of Imperial Oil Limited, on behalf of the proponents of the Mackenzie gas project, to suspend future technical work along the Mackenzie Valley, there have been aboriginal groups, business people and people in general concern about the future of the proposed pipeline along the Mackenzie Valley.

Many people, Mr. Speaker, in the Beaufort-Delta are concerned and so they should be. Owners of small businesses are trying to decide whether to make any future investments to get ready for the pipeline in light of the uncertainty.

Mr. Speaker, some aboriginal groups consider this as a threat by Imperial Oil to have their own way, but let me tell this government we should not take this announcement as a threat but as a wake-up call for the federal government to respond to the concerns raised by our government and the aboriginal groups for funding to address the social and infrastructure needs of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I have worked for industry before and if we think Imperial Oil and their partners are just talking the talk, let me tell you they will pack up just like in the mid '70s and early '80s if the federal government does not respond to these concerns.

I have been to many meetings in the Beaufort-Delta, Mr. Speaker, representing both aboriginal groups and municipalities over the last 30 years. Many times issues such as lack of schools, community halls and roads in small communities were raised by individuals. Today, Mr. Speaker, these same issues are being raised by communities, in particular when proponents are in attendance. Communities always request industry to provide money for these infrastructure requirements. The industry's response has always been that it is the government's responsibility, and they continue to say that.

This is where I agree that government must step up to the plate and address the needs and concerns of the communities.

Mr. Speaker, if the Mackenzie gas project does not become a reality or should be delayed, I will continue to be relying on the federal government for a handout. Mr. Speaker, I would like to request more time to finish my statement. Thank you.

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Concerns Over Uncertain Pipeline Future

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Pokiak .

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Concerns Over Uncertain Pipeline Future

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is important that we have an agreement-in-principle for the resource

revenue for the diamond mines and petroleum projects should the pipeline become a reality.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I urge this government to respond to the concerns raised by the aboriginal groups and municipalities and general public for the needed funds to address the social impacts and infrastructure needs of all the Northwest Territories' communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Concerns Over Uncertain Pipeline Future

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Congratulations To Arctic College Graduates From Tu Nedhe

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to proudly mention some educational achievements within the NWT and, more specifically, within my constituency of Tu Nedhe.

I attended the Aurora College Thebacha Campus convocation on April 18th in Fort Smith last month to celebrate with and congratulate 11 of my constituents that have graduated from four different programs.

Mr. Speaker, I'd like to extend my congratulations to Eliza Beaulieu, Jennifer Beaulieu, Doris Catholique, Helen McCallum, Jill Rymer, Eva Villeneuve and Loretta Edjericon for the completion of the Home and Community Support Workers Certification Program.

I'd also like to congratulate Suzanne Boucher and Kara King for receiving their management studies certificates, and John Catholique of Lutselk'e for his achievement in attaining his diploma in social work.

And last, but not least, my congratulations go out to Carol-Ann Chaplin of Fort Resolution for receiving her management studies diploma. Ms. Chaplin is also the 2005 Aurora College class valedictorian for this special occasion.

Mr. Speaker, I want to express my sincere pride towards all these graduates of Tu Nedhe, and especially to Loretta Edjericon, who exemplifies the importance of determination and perseverance required to fulfill one's goals. As she is considered an elder in my community of Deninu Kue, she has definitely shown all who were present at the ceremonies that you are never too old to formally start educating your mind. There's an important message to all the students in the gallery.

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Congratulations To Arctic College Graduates From Tu Nedhe

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Congratulations To Arctic College Graduates From Tu Nedhe

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

With that, Mr. Speaker, I look forward to attending more celebrations of achievement by my constituents of Tu Nedhe, and I again say kudos to Loretta Edjericon on your achievements and congratulations to all the Tu Nedhe graduates of 2005. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre To Hay River

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Part of our work here requires that we make tough decisions. Along with that responsibility and expectation, Mr. Speaker, comes the essential, the absolutely essential need in this House that we also have tough consultations to help make those decisions good ones that we can all accept and can all work with.

Mr. Speaker, in the matter of the relocation, the government now says done deal to move the Territorial Treatment Centre from Yellowknife to Hay River. We were denied that essential, that very essential expectation of coming to us and talking to us and helping us make sure that we have a hand in making decisions as difficult as this that affect the lives and careers of employees and families and children who are going to be disrupted in this.

Mr. Speaker, I'm going to continue to demand, on behalf of constituents, people here in Yellowknife, the families and the workers, that we are given this opportunity. Too often, Mr. Speaker, Members on this side of the House are treated casually, I would say sometimes disrespectfully, when it comes to getting our views on various actions; and then on the basis of only the most casual, cursory discussion, decisions are made. This is not how consensus government is going to succeed.

In fact, it may be one of the things that causes its downfall, because this side of the Assembly has got to be able to represent our constituents as fully as possible and the government cannot decide arbitrarily to sidestep that.

I am going to continue, Mr. Speaker, to demand that that obligation be fulfilled on this matter and every other issue that comes along. When tough decisions are required, let's have those tough consultations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre To Hay River

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Impacts Of The Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I said that I wanted to follow up on more detail about the effects of the closure of the remand unit at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre in Hay River. We knew that there would be a reduction in shifts available for casual employees. We knew that the number of indeterminate positions would be reduced by five if when they became vacant through attrition, and we knew that the projected savings of $400,000 was not realistic.

What wasn't quantified was the consequential effects that weren't fully anticipated or wouldn't be realized until the actual change in operations took place. These are the ones which we are becoming more aware of now and they are the ones that I want to talk about today.

I was assured during the budget session that the holding and transporting of inmates was not going to negatively impact RCMP detachment budgets, and I didn't accept that then and now I'm starting to hear how this is playing out. In a detachment like Hay River, where cells might have normally been occupied for four or five days a month with the accompanying staffing on-call guards, now there's only four or five days a month when the cells at the RCMP detachment aren't being used for remanded persons in custody. There have been some recent arrests where there have been five people charged at one time around some well-publicized drug cases.

I've recently learned that these inmates being transferred on scheduled flights on commercial carriers, that there's a rule pertaining to their transportation, and that is being that one officer cannot be responsible for more than two prisoners. This is a good and understandable rule, but one that will cost the RCMP more money to transport inmates to and from Yellowknife. I don't believe that these additional costs paid for from detachment budgets are not going to affect the delivery of policing services at the community level, not to mention the fact that there is going to be a decreased presence of RCMP members in our community at any given time.

Another bit of feedback that has come in is how remand inmates being located in Yellowknife is affecting the JPs' court scheduling. JPs are being pressured to plan their schedules and disposition of charges and cases around the convenience of getting the accused back and forth to Yellowknife. Now, this is not a very good way to run a justice system.

Another impact of the remand closure, that I hope and pray this government doesn't have to face, has to do with safety of prisoners who may attempt self-destructive measures while incarcerated. The staffing...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mrs. Groenewegen , your time for your Member's statement has expired.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Impacts Of The Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, colleagues. The staffing of the remand unit in Hay River and the additional staff to watch them had everything to do with an internal report and a coroner's inquest into the suicidal death of an inmate in custody at SMCC. I don't believe that that report and the recommendations of the coroner were sufficiently considered when this cost-saving initiative was contrived by the former Minister.

I think it would be in the government's own interest to ensure that we have not inadvertently put ourselves in a situation where responsibility for, God forbid, another such incident could be directly blamed on these changes.

I would like to see the changes in remand in Hay River re-examined in view of a more rigorous analysis taking into account three things, Mr. Speaker: the recent number of inmates remanded in custody; the examination of the impacts on RCMP manpower, programs and budgets; and consultation with judges and justices of the peace south of the lake. I will be asking the Minister of Justice about this in question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Expanded Downpayment Assistance Program Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today with serious concerns regarding the Housing Corporation and how it is running its EDAP program. That is the Expanded Downpayment Assistance Program.

Mr. Speaker, first and foremost I am really glad to see that we are putting people into home ownership and I think that is the bottom line that I really like to see. However, there are serious concerns in regard to how we treat our down payment. We are now treating it as a big handout as opposed to the help-up that I have always believed it should be.

Mr. Speaker, I posed some sound questions to this Minister to get some clarification. I went to his office and I said can you help me understand why we are giving big down payments out? Can you give them to me internally? Maybe even in private? But no, I was refused answers, so I am now forced to ask them publicly for public clarification.

Mr. Speaker, to make my point clearer; one person in particular received $72,000 as a down payment in the Downpayment Assistance Program. I can't think of anything to say other than this is completely out of touch for what is considered reasonable. Is $72,000 reasonable for down payment assistance? It concerns me. I don't think that is fair. Seventy-two thousand dollars is totally out of perspective. It often reminds me of what a friend of mine says; some things just ain't right, and to me that ain't right.

The Downpayment Assistance Program to me, Mr. Speaker, means $5,000, $10,000, $15,000, maybe even $20,000 to help a person on low income to get into home ownership. Seventy-two thousand dollars, again, is completely out of touch. Mr. Speaker, I did an average of the 14 contributions in the city of Yellowknife and it was an average of $33,000. That is a lot of taxpayer money, where the lowest on the list of 14 was $6,500.

Mr. Speaker, I imagine that the person who received $6,500 was completely thankful to the government; they probably loved them. But $72,000 seems a little out of touch.

Mr. Speaker, to further emphasize this point; for new construction, someone was given $109,000 to build a house from our housing program. Doesn't that seem out of touch? As far as I am concerned, that just doesn't seem right. It took my wife and I five years to save $25,000 and we were really proud of that, so $109,000, Mr. Speaker, to work out into taxable income is a lot of money. That is all I can say. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Paul Delorey

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may proceed, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was seeking clarity into the situation of why someone would receive $72,000. Is our goal as a Housing Corporation, is the government trying to make sure that they only pay a $200 a month mortgage? I don't know. Those are the kinds of questions that I was asking the Minister.

The program is based, if you read their web site, on a sliding scale. What is that sliding scale? A lot of the applicants that I have spoken to who have received money don't even know how much they are getting until the day the cheque is cut, at the end of the process. Mr. Speaker, what I am asking for is some clarity. We need some clear-cut charts; we need some graphs; we need some statistics; we need some openness, honesty and transparency on this.

By the way, five or six people out of these 14 people received over $50,000 in assistance from the Housing Corporation. Again, this is sort of out of touch and, like I stated, as my friend says, that ain't right.

Mr. Speaker, later today I will be asking for clarity; absolute clarity from the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Prince Of Wales Northern Heritage Centre Renovations

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 30

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to speak today about a vital piece of our tourism product here in the Northwest Territories. Built in 1979 and named after the Prince of Wales, our Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre is an absolute cornerstone of the tourism products that we have to offer. On the eve of what is looking like a very busy summer season, I am very concerned and alarmed that the centre sits in the state that it sits today.

As a young man I used to work at the centre and I have always held the centre in the highest regard. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for all of the staff that work at that centre. My concern is that I don't believe we are giving the centre the resources to conclude the renovations currently underway. We have booked $8.5 million for renovations and it seems to be never ending, Mr. Speaker.

It has been difficult on staff and it is difficult on the visitors. I can understand and appreciate the difficulties in having renovations taking place and the fact that not all of the exhibits and galleries can be open to the public. However, not unlike any other citizen of this city, when I get relatives in town to visit, the first place I want to show them is our world-class museum.

A few weeks ago I took my uncle to visit the museum. I was shocked that not only were the north and south main galleries closed, but also the aviation gallery was locked and being used as a storage area. I started thinking about just how many other people were being denied seeing all the fabulous artefacts and displays that were in these galleries. Why would we shut down three galleries at a time? Of course, I know it is going to be better when it is all done; but why is it taking so long?

With the completion of Highway No. 3 getting close to being done, we will see an increase in road traffic this summer and also Yellowknife is gearing up to play host in July to the Assembly of First Nations national assembly which will bring thousands of visitors to our city. If the museum is in the same state today as it was when I was there a few weeks ago, something has to be done.

In addition to the galleries being shut down, the carpet in the main public areas is in serious need of replacement. I will ask the Minister some questions about the renovations and what the plans are for the facility going forward at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Lack Of Support For The Fort Simpson Summer Student Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 30

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

...wide variety of services throughout the summer, critical to tourism, recreation and youth activities through a partnership with the GNWT Youth Employment Program.

Throughout the last three years, the village has received enough partnership funding for nine to 11 summer student positions, ranging from staff for the community pool, tourism information centre and many other summer youth activities.

This year the village will only be able to hire one person with the assistance of the Education, Culture and Employment Youth Employment Program. This program also gave the youth experience, skills, responsibilities and the ability to save money for academics in the fall. The confidence that the youth received from these employment programs is invaluable to the development of themselves and the communities.

Many constituents have asked me during my most recent community tour, why the sudden and drastic cuts. The Youth Employment Program under the Wage Subsidy Program has been virtually removed from the base funding. This program was very well used in the community of Fort Simpson, by the village and many other businesses. The program is not intended as a yearly funding source for organizations to deliver programs, ECE responded. If this is the case, the communities have a difference in understanding. ECE did not give adequate notice to the communities so the applicants could prepare accordingly and in time.

Today, many communities are in the position to cancel summer youth employment targets. If the community governments were not faced with the increasing costs and decreasing revenue, they may have the capacity to continue with the programs. The reality is that they do not.

Mr. Speaker, it is appropriate that we have a gallery full of students and our government should do our best for them as they are our future. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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City Of Yellowknife "heterosexual Day"

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 31

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to express my disappointment in how my beloved city of Yellowknife is being advertised around the country as a city so insecure in its identity as to feel the need to celebrate a heterosexual day.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, as one council member put it so succinctly, I find this to be extremely frivolous and vexatious and a real mockery of the day of celebration hard fought and won by one of the most marginalized and victimized people in our society. Mr. Speaker, I believe no matter where people stand on the issue of gay rights, most reasonable and sensitive people will not condone an elected body actively advocating and practising discrimination and bigotry.

Mr. Speaker, in case this is not patently obvious to everyone, every day is a heterosexual day in this country and every part of the world. Heterosexual teenagers do not get murdered and beaten up for their sexual identity. Heterosexual spouses are not refused a visit to the bedside of a dying life mate because of their sexual identity. Heterosexual people are not denied the rights to the properties and wealth of their deceased spouse because of their identity. There are no aboriginal heterosexual youth who are forced to move into bigger communities because of their sexual identity.

Mr. Speaker, there are very serious and compelling reasons for us to mark the days like Gay Pride Day, International Day for the Elimination of Discrimination on March 21st, or National Aboriginal Day on June 21st. Wouldn't it be totally ridiculous if someone suggested that we declare every day of the year other than June 21st non-aboriginal day?

Mr. Speaker, I have suggested many times before that an elected leader should act as an elected leader and fight for the basic human rights of everyone, because as someone born and raised as a girl in a developing country, and a person of a visible minority community in Canada, I know a thing or two about being discriminated against. When I was young, like the students sitting in the gallery, I remember saying to myself that if I ever became successful and got somewhere in life, I would speak out for those people who are being oppressed by the majority and who are not able to defend themselves.

Mr. Speaker, none of us should have a monopoly on basic human rights and Charter rights we hold dear. Whenever we see someone do that...

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Paul Delorey

Ms. Lee , your time for your Member's statement has expired.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

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Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Ms. Lee , you may continue your statement.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to conclude by saying that none of us should have a monopoly on basic human rights and Charter rights we hold so dear. Whenever we see someone do that, especially an elected body, good people and especially the leader should stand up and say that should not be tolerated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Support For The Mackenzie Valley Gas Pipeline

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, 30 years ago, Thomas Berger put a 10-year moratorium on the pipeline in order to allow land claims to be settled and to allow northern communities to prepare for the construction. Twenty years have passed since that moratorium ended and most of us, like northern businesses, have been busy preparing and trying to build capacity in order to capitalize on the pipeline.

Unfortunately, some of us, even 20 years later, are still not ready, Mr. Speaker. For instance, one group is holding the future of the pipeline hostage while they try to negotiate their land claim settlement. This group already has two pipelines from their settlement areas going south. We didn't try and hold them up in their development because it would not have been fair. Now I think we deserve the same respect. We need a champion, Mr. Speaker, to get this pipeline going. Mr. Handley , Nellie Cournoyea, and Fred Carmichael are all trying to champion the cause in order to get the benefits of the pipeline to the people of the NWT, but they can only do so much.

Mr. Speaker, I am not here to criticize or point fingers, but we have too many people with their own agendas who are going to jeopardize the project. Mr. Speaker, we have a representative in Ottawa elected by the people of the NWT. Why aren't they fighting for the settlement of the claim so this project can move forward? We need the federal government to do what is best for the residents of the NWT. I want to see this project go ahead. I want to see the youth benefiting from all of the opportunities that will be there. I want to see the NWT get their fair share of the revenues.

Mr. Speaker, for the sake of all the young people across the North, let us not waste any more valuable time. We can't afford to wait another 20 years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the indulgence of my colleagues here, I want to recognize at least half of the visitors in the gallery here. Mr. Delorey is going to recognize the other half. I know it is a large group, but thank you. Their parents are going to watch this tonight on APTN, so when I call your name, jump up quick so the camera can scan you because we have a lot of names to get here.

The parent volunteers who are here today with us are: Lori Lafferty, Kandace Jameson, Beth Green, Shannon Buckley, Dawna O'Brien, Dale Hoose, Brenda Hall, Max Rodway, Leslie Lobb, Gayle Croucher, Barb Aitken, Steve Anderson, and Jean Hachey. I will introduce Mr. Walker's class: Fraser Anderson, Heather Atkins, Michelle Babiuk, Blake Banfield, Amanda Beaulieu, Jacquelyn Buckley, Edward Crane, Alana Croucher, Scotty Heron, Lise Larocque, Jesse McCordic, Desiree Parker, Elaine Roach, Gwen Ruttle, Tory Sabourin, and Jordan Smith. Welcome to the Legislative Assembly.

---Applause

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Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

We also have Grade 6 teachers and assistants from PA school: Karen Wall, Chris Walker, Bob White, Pauline Morrison, and Joannie Lafferty. In Ms. Wall's class: Sean Aitken, Kirk Alcos, Hilary Aldridge, Melinda Arcand, Adrian Beaulieu, Arthur Cameron, Erin Campbell, Kaitlin Cayen, Sasha Cayen, Brittany Dumas, Kelsey Kimble, Kyle Mabbitt, Jasmine Marshall, Morgan Penney, Olivia Sperry, Ben Squirrel, Dannelle Stalmack, Ursula Unka; and Mr. White's class: Justin Boutilier, Richelle Daniels, Shane Duncan, Lauren Gilbert, Sean Gilbert, Lucas Hachey, Trudy Hiebert, Brett Jameson, Brittnee Lafferty, Justin Lafferty, Adam Lakusta, and Darryl Larocque.

Also, we have some parents and volunteers: Joseph Lirette, Hailey Lyon, Sherman Magtiby, Angel Martel, J.J. McKinney, Mikaela Muller, Frankie Ranger, and Johnny Ryan Zoe. Welcome to the Legislative Assembly. I hope you've had a very enjoyable and informative tour. I hope you enjoy the rest of your tour and have safe trips home.

---Applause

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a few people I'd like to recognize; first is Richard Edjericon. Richard is a former chief of the Yellowknives Dene and candidate-elect for the Conservative Party in the Western Arctic riding. Welcome, Richard.

---Applause

With Richard is Mr. Gerry Cheezie. Gerry is the manager of the Yellowknives Dene housing. Welcome, Gerry.

---Applause

Also, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize Ms. Amanda Mallon who is the president of the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association. Welcome.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me a great deal of pleasure to recognize my constituent, Major Karen Hoeft, as we all know a very passionate advocate for the homeless, the poor and I think generally all people that have personal challenges in their lives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I, too, would like to welcome all the youngsters and their parents and teachers from Hay River and hope that Yellowknife's hospitality stands up to the test. Like my colleague from Kam Lake, I'd like to recognize the president of the NWT Teachers' Association, Amanda Mallon. Welcome.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize two former chiefs, Gerry Cheezie and Richard Edjericon.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I'd also like to recognize two very hard-working constituency assistants in the gallery, Ms. Wendy Morgan and Ms. Debbie Mageean.

---Applause

Anyone else that we have missed in the gallery that has not been recognized, we apologize, but welcome to the Legislative Assembly. We always enjoy having an audience. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 12-15(4): Control Of NWT Liquor Sales

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 32

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow up on my Member's statement today. My question is to the Minister of Finance . On the sale of alcohol and liquor in the Northwest Territories, specifically the contracted liquor stores, how is the sale of alcohol controlled in the Northwest Territories with the contracted vendors? Thank you.

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Question 12-15(4): Control Of NWT Liquor Sales

Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I could probably get into a long response into how the contracts are controlled. Basically as they are set

out there's a prescribed number of hours, as well as a list of products that could be for sale in the Northwest Territories. Through that we would have our Liquor Commission hold the product and ship it out to the contractors throughout the Northwest Territories. The list of product that is available for sale is determined by the department. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, Minister. Are the communities somewhat consulted about how the liquor is sold when it is brought into the communities in terms of the product that is on sale? How are the communities consulted with the sale of alcohol in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first and foremost it would be through the request or our fees that are issued regarding the sale of products; so when those contracts come available. As well, from time to time the Assembly will hold public hearings on it if there are changes to the act, and in fact we are going through that process and will be going throughout the communities in the Territories and trying to get input as to the Liquor Act and its changes.

But for the actual product of what is available for sale, I can't recall myself in my time as Minister of Finance , if in fact there was some survey done on the product. So I would have to give that information at a later time. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask Minister Roland if he would consider acting on the ban of overproof alcohol in the Northwest Territories, especially in the Sahtu region where there is considerably high concern in two of my communities, and acting on it right away even pending the review of the Liquor Act. This is an urgent problem in the Sahtu region, Mr. Speaker, and we don't need to wait for consultants to tell us this. Would the Minister consider acting right away on this request? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in speaking to the Member and the issue that he has raised about the sale of overproof products in the stores throughout the Northwest Territories, that's something I will take into serious consideration. There may be a number of ways in trying to deal with this, but I will look at that and work with the Member on that. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister consider looking at a controlled ban on the sale of overproof alcohol in the Northwest Territories, and look at some of the problems that are caused by the sale of overproof alcohol in our communities? Would he consider an all out ban once and for all in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I would consider that as we look at the matter of our products that we have for sale in the Territories. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this afternoon are for the Minister of Health and Social Services on the issue of the decision to relocate the Territorial Treatment Centre from Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, the process of taking ideas or proposals from concept or potential into reality is normally quite an extensive and sometimes an even prolonged process in this Assembly. That's one of the strengths, sometimes one of the weaknesses of consensus. But this is not a partisan House, Mr.

Speaker, this is a consensus House where the minority government has to work with the majority of Members on this side to help make those tough decisions in the best interests of everyone possible. My question, Mr.

Speaker, is after all the commotion that this House went through in the last session where the communities of Inuvik and Hay River were affected by the closure of remand centres and the Dene K'onia centre, has this government not learned anything about how sensitive and how critical a matter it is to work with MLAs on this side when we're talking about moving jobs and moving public services from one community to another? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as an MLA from one of the smaller communities, I am very, very sensitive to the issue of government resources in communities and how they are spread out across the North, including the capital and all of the other small communities, and how important those resources are, especially in the smaller communities. Have we learned anything through the last session? Yes, we have. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Then if something has been learned, how, Mr. Speaker, has that been manifested in this lightning-quick decision to move the treatment centre without bringing, as my colleague yesterday, the Member for Kam Lake , Dave Ramsay, said, where is the business plan? How are we to know what is going to be the effect on workers and on staff and on families? If the government has learned something, we're not seeing it here, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I indicated yesterday and made a commitment to the Member for Kam Lake that we would pull together the information that we've been looking at to date. I also indicated in this House that the detail of this transition is going to take 18 months or so to be complete with the part of the business plan process that is now currently underway for the coming fiscal year. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Then in that business planning process, Mr. Speaker, what is going to be the ability of us as MLAs to work with our constituents, to represent our people and have a real tangible impact and effect on how that business plan is going to roll out and affect their families, their futures and their careers? I'm asking for some meaningful input here and I don't know that I'm going to get it. I'm really hearing done deal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Member indicated, we operate on this side of the House in a perennial minority situation, and that point is brought home to us time and time again. It's something I'm very, very cognitive of, and we're all very sensitive to the need to work in a consensus style with all the MLAs, both those from Yellowknife and those from outside Yellowknife, but as a collective for the common good. We intend to do that.

The business plan will lay out the detail and we're always interested and, once again, sensitive in trying to accommodate issues raised in committee on issues that are falling out of what's being proposed in the business plan. In this case, that situation will once again hold true.

We will work to make sure that this process is governed in the best way possible with us being as sensitive to the issues that involve staff as possible, and to the children, once again, ensuring that there is going to be a high quality program set up in Hay River that will provide the service on a territorial basis for all children in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, one of the aspects that have been brought to light about this potential move -- and this is not a slight at all against the good people of Hay River -- are certain levels of support and treatment and professional care that are not established in Hay River. Is this business plan going to address the needs that these children have for as full a spectrum as possible of care, and how is that going to be established? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the service that will be provided will be on par with what is currently here. If there are services that are required that aren't accessible as they are possibly in Yellowknife five minutes away, they'll be accessible in Hay River 35 or 40 minutes away by plane. We have folks that travel, we have other territorial facilities across the North that provide service to all the people of the Northwest Territories and this program will be no different, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Justice , the Honourable Brendan Bell . In my Member's statement today I talked about the decision that the government proceeded with to close the remand unit at the SMCC in Hay River. This was given a lot of dialogue in the last Assembly and the last budget session and, as the Minister knows, there was a unanimous motion passed to support this. Unfortunately, it was dealt with in a way that the closure proceeded. But that being the case, Mr.

Speaker, that's kind of history now; but I still have questions outstanding with respect to numbers, with respect to costs. We did secure an audit report, which indicated that the analysis for the cost saving was not done at an in-depth level and it was not that rigorous, so I would like some of these things revisited.

I would like to know if the Minister of Justice would provide me with a commitment today that these outstanding issues could still be addressed going forward to ensure that from an operations point of view it's still in the interests of the service being provided to have the remand centre in Hay River closed. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it's a very important question, and I want to reiterate that this closure was done as an economizing measure. We felt that in terms of efficiency, in terms of making the best use of our funds, we could adequately handle remand prisoners in the facility and the general population if they weren't of high risk, and high risk inmates could be transferred to the North Slave facility. But there is no doubt that this was based on the assumption that we could actually save money doing it. Admittedly, it's not a program enhancement.

If money were not an object, we would not have proposed this. So I'm certainly willing to look at this one year forward. I have directed my department to keep a running account of the costs at the facility. In addition, I've asked to make sure the RCMP can account for the costs that they are incurring. I am concerned about some of the points that the Member from Hay River has raised about her feeling in terms of costs to RCMP budgets. If RCMP budgets have been required to go up because of this, there's no doubt that at some point it would be passed on to this government.

So I will look at this over the course of the year, and if in fact we aren't saving the money, then we have to have some reconciliation of that. But I'm prepared to come back and talk about why we have met our targets or why we haven't and have a very frank discussion with the Members opposite. I think it's very important and we'll be as open and transparent about this as we should be. I think that that's a commitment that I can make here today and I am prepared to review it one year out. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the projected cost savings of $400,000; the audit report indicated that with no persons leaving and no positions lost through attrition, that in fact the savings were only about $267,000. With the number of $267,000 in mind and given our budget planning process one year out unfortunately would mean that there would be no reinstatement of services until the following fiscal year. Would the Minister agree to an interim evaluation?

If these numbers are all being tracked now, would he agree to an interim look at this in six months so that if the savings are not being realized and it is not working out as anticipated, that in fact this could be built back into the budget planning process which would commence in about six months from now? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well the business planning process is well underway now, departments are working on it and the reinstatement of the remand centre has not been contemplated, but I am prepared to track this and account for the savings and projected savings going forward with committee. I can come back to committee periodically throughout the year. There is nothing stopping us at the end of the year, should we determine that we really aren't saving any money this way and it's become an increased burden on the system and RCMP budgets. I say hypothetically at this point because I don't know, Mr.

Speaker, but if that in fact is the case, I'm prepared to revisit it. I think we made the decision because we believed that we would save money, and I still believe that, but I'm prepared to come back and analyze that. If we're wrong, we're prepared to reverse that decision, but I want to go forward and give this the time.

We do acknowledge that attrition was going to be required to save some of the money. So we know that no full-time employees have lost their jobs. There has been a reduction in overtime and casual use, but I will come back periodically and work with committee and talk about the actual savings that we've seen to date and the projected savings going forward. I don't want the Member to feel that this is gone or we've missed the window because of the business planning process. That isn't the case and I can always go back to Cabinet at any time if in fact we aren't saving the money. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 7: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one thing I was never really clear about or assured of was in fact that when the change in operations was proposed that the Harrington Report, as it's called, and the coroner's report as a result of the suicide that took place in cells had been taken into account in terms of the operation changes, because I think the staffing of the remand centre, the way it was, was directly precipitated by those two reports. Can the Minister speak as to whether or not those things were taken into account when these changes were proposed? If they weren't, would he commit to again evaluating the service against those two reports? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I believe they were taken into account and I know it's of utmost importance to the department that inmates are safe in the facility, inmates in the general population are not put at risk because of some of the folks in remand and vice versa. I know that an assessment is done for people coming into remand. If they are deemed to be high risk, then they're transported to the North Slave Correctional Centre. But I'll go back to the department and ensure that in fact the coroner's inquest and that report were considered.

That's another thing I can come back to committee and talk about, but at this point I do believe they were incorporated, but I'll certainly verify that. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 7: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has made a commitment to work with committee. Unfortunately, I'm not on the committee that oversees his department so I would like a commitment from the Minister that he would allow me to be involved in setting those items which will be assessed and identified in terms of setting the benchmark with respect to savings. I want to make sure that every potential impact in terms of cost is included in that comparison when it's done. Would the Minister commit to that? Thank you.

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Hay River South

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My apologies; that had slipped my mind. I will certainly commit to sitting down with the Member to talk about methodology for this review as we go forward. I think that's very important and I'm sure the committee would not have objections to the Member sitting in on any committee discussions we have. But absent that, I'm certainly prepared to have individual discussions with the Member. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 15-5(4): Control Of NWT Liquor Sales

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 36

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the honourable Minister of the Financial Management Board and his responsibilities over the Liquor Board or the Liquor Act. It's constituents that come to me, Mr. Speaker, and ask me to speak on the fact that there's lots of bootlegging happening in our communities, especially to minors, Mr. Speaker. So the concept or the idea they had shared with me is whether it is possible for our government to institute some signage in the liquor stores to advise potential people that bootlegging or even buying booze for your younger friends is supplying minors and is an offence, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 15-5(4): Control Of NWT Liquor Sales

Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if I understand the Member's question about putting signage up to inform people who go into the liquor stores to purchase products for others to inform them of the penalties of that, that they would be involved in supplying minors, that is something I think we can definitely work on; putting up signage that would reflect those concerns. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 7: Oral Questions

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm sure glad that the government or the Minister heard me so clearly the first time.

---Applause

I think this will go a long ways because I think a lot of people are doing it thinking it's a harmless endeavour to help out their friends like they were just going to school with them last year but now they're eligible to buy alcohol. But it is a crime and people should be made aware of it and it happens quite a bit back in my constituency and I'm pleased the Minister is going to be doing that. I'd just like to ask the Minister as my final question, Mr. Speaker, if he can act on this soon and look at getting this signage up rather quickly. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will have the department work on that as soon as we can put some horsepower to it and we should be able to work with the contractors out there in getting signage up. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 16-15(4): Prince Of Wales Northern Heritage Centre Renovations

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 36

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment and it goes back to my Member's statement from earlier today. From a tourism standpoint, I find it very disturbing that the renovations are taking so long at the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre. One of the things the North oftentimes gets criticized for is the lack of product here in the Northwest Territories for tourists to take in and have what I feel is the cornerstone of the tourism products here unavailable for public viewing for the length of time it's been unavailable.

Of the four main galleries that make up the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre, the north, south and Aviation are what I would deem the northern component to the facility. I'm wondering why the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre would have all three of the main galleries closed at the same time. The only gallery that remains open is the feature gallery, which entertains rotating exhibits from around the country. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Ramsay unfortunately must have hit the facility on a day when there was a significant amount of transition. It is true that a good portion of the facility is disrupted because of the ongoing renovations, but right

now the Fox Moth gallery is again open, as is the feature gallery and the mezzanine gallery. The plan is that in June the auditorium will open and will feature videos throughout the summer. The north gallery will open with a photo exhibit from NWT mining, celebrating with an exhibit that's been sponsored or brought forward by the mining society. The feature gallery will have an interactive cyber explorers' exhibit and the mezzanine gallery will have an exhibit of Tlicho archival photographs. So while the renovations are underway, we are going to attempt to have a good portion of the facility open and available for northern visitors. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Item 7: Oral Questions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm glad to hear the Minister say that some of the renovation work is going to get done and some of the galleries are going to open this summer, because, as I mentioned in my Member's statement, we are going to get a great deal of traffic through the capital city here in the summer months with the AFN being here and the increase in road traffic. So I'm glad to hear the Minister is paying attention to that. I'm wondering if the Minister could let us know when he expects all the renovations to be completed at the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre.

Like I mentioned earlier, it's having an impact on the staff and visitors alike. So I'd like to know when he expects it all to be completed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The total project is expected to be completed in 2006. The permanent display will open in the north gallery in the summer of 2006 and the permanent display will open in the south gallery in the summer of 2007. In 2006, the south gallery will house a travelling exhibit of Dene artefacts from the Royal Scottish Museum. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 17-15(4): Expanded Downpayment Assistance Program

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 37

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on the heels of my Member's statement with questions to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned in my Member's statement, $72,000 was given to one person and as far as I see it, we could have given three people $24,000 for a down payment and that would have been considered reasonable. Could the Minister explain to me in somewhat reasonable detail, obviously without giving out the name of the person who we gave it to, why there was such a variance between one down payment of $6,500 and another down payment of $72,000? That I just don't think is right. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it may seem that the numbers are screwy with regard to how you look at it, but I think the Member has to realize that this program is developed throughout the whole Northwest Territories. We have communities who have just as much need for assistance as they do here in Yellowknife. You also have to realize that this program is not onl