Debates of Oct. 26th, 2010

This is page numbers 5263 - 5292 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was social .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 65-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle, Impact On Land Claims And Protection Of Aboriginal Rights

Motion To Move Minister’s Statement 65-16(5) Into Committee Of The Whole

Minister’s Statement 66-16(5): Culture And Heritage Updates

Minister’s Statement 67-16(5): Physical Activity And Sport Program

Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Climate Change

Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Flight And Airport Regulations At Aklavik Airport

Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

NWTHC Public Housing And Decline Of CMHC Social Housing Fund

Dangers Of Distracted Driving

Distracted Driving

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Costs Associated With Mackenzie Gas Project

Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Possible Extension Of Aklavik Airport Runway

Collection Of NWTHC Rental Arrears

Tabled Document 90-16(5): Conference Of Management Authorities (Species At Risk) Annual Report 2009-2010 Tabled Document 91-16(5): Northwest Territories Species At Risk Committee Annual Report 2009-2010

Tabled Document 92-16(5): Communities And Diamonds: 2009 Annual Report Of The Government Of The Northwest Territories Under The Bhp Billiton, Diavik And De Beers Socio-Economic Agreements

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:40 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Minister’s Statement 65-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle, Impact On Land Claims And Protection Of Aboriginal Rights

Ministers’ Statements

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories is only partway through a process on a devolution agreement-in-principal that has not yet concluded. Cabinet has not yet formally considered the proposed agreement-in-principle and we are still waiting to hear from aboriginal governments. While we have not made a final decision about next steps, I believe that it is important to take some time now to speak to some of the misconceptions and misinformation that have arisen since the leak of the proposed AIP a little more than a week ago.

Much has been said and reported in the media over the last week about the supposed impact of devolution on existing land claims and current land resources and self-government negotiations. There’s been speculation that the draft devolution agreement-in-principle somehow prejudices current aboriginal rights negotiations and that governments would be violating existing land claims agreements if the draft devolution agreement-in-principle were to be approved. Nothing is further from the truth. Mr. Speaker, I would like to use my statement today to provide information on this subject in an effort to support the discussion that is grounded in fact.

First of all, the land claim agreements are modern treaties and, therefore, constitutionally protected. In concrete terms, that means if there were a conflict between a devolution agreement and a land claim, the land claim prevails.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to point out that existing land claim agreements anticipated

devolution. The Gwich’in, Sahtu and Tlicho agreements include statements that nothing in the land claim will prejudice the devolution of jurisdictions from Canada to the GNWT. It is important to understand this demonstrates that land claim agreements were never intended to prevent the devolution of authorities from Canada to the GNWT.

The GNWT has made commitments to the aboriginal parties to involve them in devolution negotiations. The GNWT has fully honoured these commitments and will continue to do so.

And, Mr. Speaker, the draft devolution agreement-in-principle includes specific protections for existing aboriginal treaty rights and settlements as well as future settlements.

It is important to understand that current regional land resources and self-government negotiations are based on, or a regionalization of, the 1990 unratified draft Final Dene-Metis Agreement. What that means in concrete terms is that land and cash offers are based on the unratified Dene-Metis Agreement. Devolution has no influence or effect on Canada’s offer at negotiations regarding land and cash.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to clarify statements that the subject matters for negotiation in devolution talks are the same as those in self-government negotiations. Simply put, that is not true. First of all, devolution deals with administration and control over Crown lands. Land claim agreements and self-government agreements address the aboriginal party’s authority to administer and control settlement land. Land claim agreements also address the land, water and environmental regulation throughout the settlement area.

This regulatory regime applies to all parties who own land, be it settlement corporations, aboriginal governments, other third parties, or the federal government or the GNWT as it administers Crown land. The single integrated system of resource management throughout the Mackenzie Valley was a central feature of the draft Dene-Metis Final Agreement and nothing in a devolution agreement can affect that.

Furthermore, the focus of self-government negotiation is in areas such as education, social assistance, child protection, adoption and social

housing. Devolution negotiations, on the other hand, only address the powers and authorities of a public government to administer and control public land.

I would like to assure Members of this House, the public, and our aboriginal partners that the ownership of land and resources, both surface and subsurface, recognized under existing or future land claims will not be jeopardized by a devolution agreement. Aboriginal people, through their claimant organizations, will continue to be significant landowners in this Territory. With or without devolution, the Inuvialuit, Gwich’in, Sahtu, and Tlicho will all continue to own the surface and subsurface lands identified in their respective agreements.

In addition, the Gwich’in, Sahtu, and Tlicho agreements have specific chapters dealing with resource royalties that already provide them a share of all resource royalties collected throughout the Mackenzie Valley. Additional resource revenues will be offered to aboriginal governments as part of our final agreement on devolution.

I believe we may have the basis for a deal on devolution that will create real benefits and opportunities, that will bring decision-making about the North to the North for all residents of the Northwest Territories. In the next few days you will hear more from me and other Ministers on the subject of net fiscal benefit, environmental protection, aboriginal participation in negotiations and A-base funding. I trust that the information we provide will contribute to an informed discussion as we consider the merits of the proposed AIP and our next steps over the coming days and weeks.

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Minister’s Statement 65-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle, Impact On Land Claims And Protection Of Aboriginal Rights

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Motion To Move Minister’s Statement 65-16(5) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Ministers’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Weledeh , that Minister’s Statement 65-16(5) be moved into Committee of the Whole.

---Carried

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Motion To Move Minister’s Statement 65-16(5) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 66-16(5): Culture And Heritage Updates

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Northwest Territories has a rich cultural history we need to continue to explore and celebrate. I’m pleased to share successful projects

supported by the culture and heritage division at the Department of Education, Culture and Employment.

These projects demonstrate our commitment to research, preserve and share information while highlighting our commitment to showcasing and promoting vibrant cultures of today.

This past summer the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre was a tourist destination for visitors and Northerners alike; over 12,000 visitors enjoyed the new exhibits.

This fall and winter the heritage centre is hosting three new displays of northern heritage, art and culture:

1. Frozen Eyes - Open Minds is a colourful

display of over 80 photographs of youth and photographer mentors, showing modern life in Deline, Fort Simpson, Fort Liard, Fort Smith, N’dilo and Yellowknife.

2. The Sissons and Morrow Collection is a

historic collection of carvings and objects on loan from GNWT Department of Justice.

3. Seasons of Beauty is a series of photographs

by the well-known priest and photographer Father Rene Fumoleau.

The Northwest Territories Ice Patch Study continues for a fifth year on the ancient glaciers of the Mackenzie Mountains. This is a partnership program with the Tulita Dene Band and archaeologists from the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre.

Mr. Speaker, the Ice Patch Study revealed ancient Dene artefacts, well-preserved in ice for thousands of years. The artefacts tell the story of when and where the Dene hunted for caribou and other animals.

In Canada, geographical features are named in honour of men and women in the Canadian Armed Forces who died in service of their country. In the Northwest Territories, official commemorations were made during, or shortly following, the Second World War to honour Canadian war casualties, Victoria Cross winners, military leaders, military actions and naval actions.

Three hundred sixteen official geographical names in the Northwest Territories commemorate war casualties. Lists are posted on the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre website in time for Remembrance Day.

Making creative art contributes to the quality of life for artists and for residents who enjoy art. Throughout the 25th anniversary of the NWT Arts

Council, 70 creative projects were approved for funding. This is a testament to the continued vitality and talents of our artists.

I want to encourage all Members of the Legislative Assembly to visit the Prince of Wales Northern

Heritage Centre website to learn more about the upcoming cultural and heritage activities and exhibits. It will also give you a chance to become a fan of our new Facebook page. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker,

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Minister’s Statement 66-16(5): Culture And Heritage Updates

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 67-16(5): Physical Activity And Sport Program

Ministers’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I am pleased to provide Members with an update on several initiatives that support the 16th Legislative Assembly vision and goals by

promoting healthy choices and lifestyles and contributing to the physical and mental well-being of our youth.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and its Healthy Choices partners -- Health and Social Services, ECE, Justice, Transportation, the aboriginal governments and the Aboriginal Sport Circle -- work with families, community governments and schools to encourage individuals and families to take responsibility for their well-being and to become physically active. Our common goal is to motivate all residents to lead healthier lifestyles. We consider physical activity an important pillar of the Healthy Choices Framework.

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to report on a number of initiatives the department announced earlier this year.

First, the new Regional Youth Sport Events Program is designed to strengthen local programming in smaller and remote communities, to support athletes and coaches and to improve youth participation in physical activity. I am happy to announce that the department supported 24 sports events in 19 communities in the first year of the program.

Second, the Active After School Funding Program provides financial support to schools and community groups to offer programming that gets kids moving after school. In partnership with the NWT Sport and Recreation Council, the department is providing funding to the Active After School Program for the second time this winter. The program supported 17 projects in 13 communities in 2009-2010. Later this fall the 2010-2011 funding recipients will be announced and we anticipate that the 2009-2010 participation rates will increase significantly, with each community in the Northwest Territories hosting at least one Active After School Program this year.

Third, the department has also been busy expanding programming for youth. During the summer the department, assisted by some very energetic students and interns, supported the wide

range of single and multi-sport camps in 14 communities. During the upcoming winter the department will deliver 10 traditional northern and Dene game camps in five regions.

Finally, I would like to draw your attention to our seasonal Get Active NWT campaign, created in 2006. Get Active NWT encourages community groups to organize local events that motivate residents to be physically active. The department, the NWT Recreation and Parks Association and First Air have teamed up to provide local program grants and other incentives. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs anticipates that nearly 100 community events for all ages will receive funding this year.

Mr. Speaker, the numbers speak for themselves. In 2009, Active Healthy Kids Canada reported that up to 85 percent of youth in the Northwest Territories lack physical activity. That is why our government must continue to encourage healthy lifestyle choices and promote physical activity so that we can demonstrate and document improvements in the health and well-being of our residents in the future.

In conclusion, I would like to celebrate our successes and thank all the Members for their support in these program initiatives. I would like to encourage Members to continue promoting a healthy and active lifestyles in communities and challenge you to lead by example. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 67-16(5): Physical Activity And Sport Program

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last couple of weeks there has been a lot of talk about this draft agreement-in-principle which the government is currently considering.

Devolution and resource revenue sharing were important topics during the 2007 campaign. I heard many people from across the NWT. They were saying that it needs to be done and that it needs to be done now, that a deal must be struck.

So here we are; a potential deal is at hand. If this AIP is signed, we as a government and as a people will be able to take an important next step and begin the process of negotiating a final deal, a deal which would give residents of the NWT an ability to make decisions on managing public lands, water and resources, protecting the environment and managing the location and pace of development, establish our own NWT vision for land and resource

management, socio-economic planning and environmental stewardship, putting into place new approaches to meet NWT’s resource development, infrastructure and investment requirements, and, Mr. Speaker, importantly, stopping the flow of hundreds of millions of dollars to Ottawa and providing the people of the Northwest Territories with net fiscal benefits from resource development.

Mr. Speaker, I respect the go-forward process that the Premier has referenced when asked questions on the AIP last week. Unfortunately, I believe that this is now impossible or at least seriously compromised. The details of the AIP have been released and are now public. They are on the CBC website. My concern is not that they be made public. Rather, my concern is that people don’t understand what this AIP means. This is clear if you actually take a look at the CBC blog which suggests that, although it is available for people to read, they either haven’t read it or, if they did, they don’t understand it.

It is not an easy read, Mr. Speaker. I am happy the Premier actually made some clarifications today.

Mr. Speaker, this is an important time for the people of the Northwest Territories. The Premier must ensure that everyone understands this AIP. We all must ensure that our constituents understand the AIP so that we can hear them and we can all make informed decisions in the best interests of all of our people, aboriginal and non-aboriginal alike, and for the future of our Territories.

Later this afternoon I will be asking the Premier some questions on how he and his Cabinet intend to inform the people of the Northwest Territories on the details and realities of this AIP, how he intends to explain the content and ensure as much as possible that people understand how this AIP may benefit all of our people, how this deal improves upon the Yukon deal, how we will be able to use this AIP to negotiate a final deal with our aboriginal partners which gives us the ability to develop and implement vision for land and resource management, socio-economic planning and environmental stewardship.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the NWT public share in the optimism that the prospect of managing our own resources and gaining more control over our economy brings. We have been here many times before and somehow we manage to squander it every time it comes up. We must move forward based on mutual interests. We must work together. To make things better, we must be informed about the issues. We must want a strong Territory for all of our residents regardless of the geographical location and we must act.

Mr. Speaker, I suggest that we know about the benefits of devolution and about the risks. We care about making things better and know that we need to control our resources and gain net fiscal benefits to do something about it. So let’s do it, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I am going to speak about the planned closure of the Edmonton Municipal Airport. This definitely will affect my constituents directly. Should this become an eventuality, people from the Nahendeh riding will have to experience a time element important for emergency medevacs. This amount of time can be the difference between life and death.

We, of course, do not see yet any alternate plans to serve the people of the North. The media in Alberta has reported the tentative plans of using the Edmonton International Airport and ambulances, and then there is the report that routing northern medevacs all the way to Calgary. This does not make any sense to us. It might for Albertans, but not to us Northerners. We are stakeholders in this whole debate. We should be part of the process of developing a strategy to accommodate medical needs should they close this airport.

I think it is also important for Northerners to know what our strategy is. What will the Minister of Health and Social Services and our government do to best serve our emergency medical needs? Remaining silent on this issue is not an option. Saying it is a decision of the City of Edmonton is the wrong thing to do.

We must be vocal and we must have a good strategy to take care of our residents in the Northwest Territories. We do have some time; a couple of years at the most, I think. Before this happens we should use that time wisely and use every resource we have to develop the best strategy for our North and Northerners.

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Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Climate Change

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Reports indicate increasingly severe effects of climate change on northern regions. The latest U.S. reports describe conditions such as increasing permafrost temperatures around the globe, the lowest snow accumulations in the North since 1966, warming

summers with longer spring melt seasons, and increasing rates of loss of sea ice.

Record low water levels reveal an example of local effects. How many props did you go through this year out on the big lake? It’s estimated that permafrost melt at past rates will cost us greater than $400 million over 20 years repairing infrastructure damage by collapsing soils. This figure can only be rising. Climate change is coming at us from every direction and the more we learn, the more extreme the picture gets.

Throughout this Assembly I’ve pressed the urgency of aggressive action to halt and start rolling back the NWT contribution to worsening conditions, demonstrating leadership that can be emulated around the poles. With the support of my colleagues, this government has taken strong action to get its House in order and I applaud these efforts. With public support, this government must now increase the contribution of our entire society through leadership and outreach.

In the current development of a new Greenhouse Gas Strategy, I’m pressing for ambitious emission reduction targets with clear plans on how to achieve them. I spoke on the review of MACA budgets on continuing inaction to establish energy efficiency standards for municipal infrastructure constructed with territorial dollars and other missed opportunities. More details were announced this week on the City of Yellowknife’s incredible progress towards tapping geothermal heat for the centuries ahead. Fort McPherson is looking at local biomass heat.

The NWT Association of Municipalities has launched its ambitious Climate Change Adaptation Project, with other staff looking at mitigation. Our partners across the NWT society are addressing the challenges and we can do more.

European examples show that when government leads by creating carbon emission limits, the economy takes over and drives the results on the basis of low carbon’s improved economics. Government must lead by creating a systemic and interlocking network of law and policy to help our citizens do their part. The GNWT has had great success and we are achieving big cost savings. Let’s do even better by harnessing the commitment of all our citizens.

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Climate Change

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about the potential closure of the Edmonton Municipal Airport. This is a direction

provided by the City of Edmonton that they have been taking and studying for some time.

I’ve met and talked with the Edmonton mayor, Stephen Mandel, and have expressed the concern of many Northerners. He says they have a plan, which begs the question: What is the plan that our Territory has and how does it work for our residents when it comes to health care? Is our government ahead of this problem or even trying to get ahead of this issue? Or is it on the heels waiting for the final knockout? Is the government’s plan a head in the sand or even, looking outside today, in the snow? Depending on the season, of course. Because leadership is not demonstrated by sitting and letting someone else make the decision for us.

I have asked the mayor of Edmonton to come to Yellowknife to talk to Northerners and he has told me he would. I’ve written to him to follow up and we need leadership from this government to encourage and certainly make sure he does.

Where is our plan? Change isn’t always bad, but I can tell you when it comes to the unknowns, it causes great concern. Does the City of Edmonton’s plan dovetail with our vision of future health care? I can tell you that there is not one person who doesn’t care about health care in one form or another. This summer, while I knocked on doors as I do each and every summer trying to get to as many as I can, many people said this issue resonates with them. This issue resonates all across the North in one form or another.

We recently saw Envision Edmonton hammer away at this problem. They had an opinion, so where is ours? The mayor of Edmonton had told me they have a plan to accommodate. My question is: Does that work for Northerners? Are we involved in the development of that plan? That plan may not be bad, that plan may not be good, but we have to be involved in it on the ground level.

We are not voters in the city of Edmonton, but I told the mayor of Edmonton that we certainly are stakeholders and issues like health care are significant issues that affect all Northerners. This issue potentially could change the way future health care is delivered in our North. Again for better or perhaps for worse, that change will be received with passion and concern. Right now it’s only driven by confusion. In an emergency when seconds matter, what is this government doing as time ticks away?

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Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Flight And Airport Regulations At Aklavik Airport

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement is more in line with the airports and the

importance of airports to isolated communities with off-road access. I’m talking about Aklavik and the airport that’s presently there and the concerns they have under the existing legislation coming into effect his year. This is regarding the CAR 704 regulation. I think the concern they have is that presently there are times when you do have to have certain types of aircraft, whether dealing with medevacs or bringing in goods and services, and the movement of people.

One of the issues includes the insurance coverage people have travelling into these communities on single engine aircraft. In most cases, government employees are not allowed to fly in single engine aircraft because of insurance reasons. The same should apply to the clients we have travelling for medical reasons or for government services.

I think it’s important that this government takes a look at our Northwest Territories airports to ensure we are meeting our requirements under the regulation changes, by increasing the width of a lot of these airports from 3,000 feet to 3,500 or 4,000 so they can meet the requirements for the different types of aircraft. I think it’s important to work with those communities that are off-road and that depend on air transport as a means of delivering goods, services and people to those particular communities.

At the appropriate time I will have questions for the Minister of Transportation .

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Flight And Airport Regulations At Aklavik Airport

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to speak again about the provision of health services and the changing landscape of those services provided to NWT residents in Alberta.

Back in May I asked the Minister of Health and Social Services whether or not she had written a letter to the Government of Alberta or the City of Edmonton outlining our government’s concern over the impending closure of the City Centre Airport in Edmonton. She said, yes, we have written letters. To make a long story short, it took over two months to get a response from the Minister. That was only after she was threatened by an ATIP request from my colleague Mr. Abernethy to produce the letters. The letters came and, lo and behold, none were signed by our Health Minister . Letters were written by senior management to other bureaucrats in Alberta and some consultant in Missouri.

The bottom line is that this Minister did not take a position to defend our government, our communities, and the health and well-being of the public here in the Northwest Territories. Given the

fact that the Health Minister did not get out in front of the closure of the City Centre Airport in Edmonton, how am I supposed to believe that the Minister is paying attention to ensure that the appropriate operational plans and infrastructure are in place before our medevac flights are moved out to the International Airport? Who is speaking for us and the public? Is it the Minister or is it her staff?

The Alberta government is currently undergoing some major health care reform initiatives that will definitely impact the services that our residents will receive in Alberta. It could very well mean that all medevac flights are directed to specific locations, such as Grande Prairie and Calgary. How exactly are we a part of these developing reform initiatives in Alberta? What will be the impact on our residents here in the Northwest Territories? What will it cost our government?

The Minister stated back in May that we are deeply involved in making sure that we minimize the impact of the possible closure of the Edmonton City Centre Airport. Well, I hope the Minister will take a leadership role in ensuring that we get the very best services and results for the people of the Northwest Territories.

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Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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NWTHC Public Housing And Decline Of CMHC Social Housing Fund

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I am seeking information on exactly what the NWT Housing Corporation is doing to ensure that this government is not left holding the bag on costs pertaining to the declining CMHC Social Housing Fund. As it stands, if the NWT Housing Corporation does not have a plan to address the impacts of the CMHC declining fund, we as the GNWT will be left with the responsibility of providing the budget to continue the Social Housing Program.

Currently CMHC provides millions of dollars for operations and maintenance of over 2,000 units across the Northwest Territories. As CMHC withdraws funding, it is anticipated by the federal government that the GNWT will develop a strategic plan to address the issue and make withdrawal of CMHC funds as seamless as possible.

As I see it, the only option we as legislators will be left with if the NWT Housing Corporation does not have a plan is to take the money that is currently going to supporting homeownership and divert it to fill the gaps in public housing by CMHC’s withdrawal.

I spoke in the House on numerous occasions about the lack of money going to homeowners as is. We cannot afford to use the money that is normally targeted for homeowners to support the public

housing portfolio because the NWT Housing Corporation was unable to develop a plan to develop this serious issue.

The NWT Housing Corporation needs to examine its public housing portfolio and develop a plan that reduces the number of units in that portfolio. At the end of the day when the CMHC withdrawal is complete, the NWT Housing Corporation will only be getting enough money from CMHC to operate about half the units.

I don’t want people in the NWT to pay for the lack of planning by the NWT Housing Corporation with their houses. As I have said in the past, the NWT Housing Corporation must start paying attention to their homeowners in the small communities where there is no market and low employment. If this doesn’t happen, we’ll have a major expense on our hands as far as homeowners’ units across the NWT that are beyond economic repair and in need of replacement.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

If this doesn’t happen, we’ll have a major expense on our hands insofar as homeownership units across the NWT that are beyond economic repair and in need of replacement at a cost of $300,000 to $400,000 per unit. So you can see, the strategic plan to address the CMHC declining fund is critical.

I will have questions for the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation on the matter.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Dangers Of Distracted Driving

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I continue my efforts to convince NWT residents and some MLAs, unfortunately, that driving a car and using a cell phone are not compatible. I will put some more info out there and add to the public information, which apparently is necessary to make NWT drivers realize the dangers of distracted driving.

Someone on a cell phone while driving is four times more likely to have a collision than a not-on-the-phone driver. That increase is compared to the risk of collision when driving with normal background distractions, not compared to ideal circumstances where there are no distractions; a vehicle at rest, for instance.

Making calls on a cell phone are definitely more risky than listening to the radio or talking to passengers.

I’d like to share a very true but scary story, Mr. Speaker. A few weeks ago a car was observed settling into the bush at a bend in the road on the Ingraham Trail. The car had driven across the left-hand lane at the turn and straight off the road into the bush. There was no effort to make the turn at the corner, no evidence of any use of brakes, no skid marks on the road, not even any tire tracks in the ditch. The driver was seemingly not aware that the road had a turn in it and literally flew off the road.

The person emerging from the vehicle, cell phone in hand, was very lucky; the car was totalled but the driver was not hurt. Thankfully, no other vehicle was coming the other way at the instant the car crossed the road, but a few seconds later there would have been a head-on collision. Mr. Speaker, it’s important to note that this happened on an NWT highway, not a municipal road.

Just one week ago today, Mr. Speaker, the St. Pat’s Students Against Distracted Driving recognized National Students Against Impaired and Distracted Driving Day. Part of their ad from last week’s paper said, “It’s legal but you know it’s foolish so you don’t eat yellow snow, so why would you use a cell phone while driving?”

Good question. How would each of us answer it? How many of us pull over to answer our cell or ignore the call and let it go to voicemail? Not 100 percent of us, I’m sure. In an informal poll conducted by the SADD students one morning last week they counted 27 or more people driving while using their cell phone in just one hour. That’s a lot of distracted drivers, Mr. Speaker, and at the time of day when we have the highest volume of traffic.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Lastly, Mr. Speaker, a local travel agency has an ongoing challenge to NWT residents and businesses challenging us to make our cars a safe cell phone zone; no use of a cell phone in the car. So far nine businesses have taken up the challenge, but that only means there’s so many more who could join up. I’m hopeful my statement today will encourage more individuals and businesses to take up this challenge. It’s easy. Just go to www.topofworldtravel.com, fill out the form and send it in. I dare everyone who is listening to do it. Thank you.

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Dangers Of Distracted Driving

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Distracted Driving

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to make my statement on distracted driving.

Mr. Speaker, distracted driving is nothing new. We like to associate it with texting and talking on cell phones, but when I was a kid growing up and we went on a road trip with our family, I can hardly believe my father wasn’t distracted with five screaming kids in the backseat of the station wagon and occasionally had to reach his arm around and give a few of us a little discipline, shall we say.

Back in those days, also, Mr. Speaker, they had bench seats in vehicles in the front, and I often used to ask my dad why it took two people to drive that vehicle, because people would be sitting so close together, so cosy on that front seat. Hard to believe those people weren’t distracted.

Distracted driving is not a new concept. However, Mr. Speaker, we had a motion come forward from this side of the House in a previous sitting and I was the swing vote, and I did not support the motion to recommend to our government that they institute, that they develop a legislative proposal to put in place a deterrent, a legal deterrent for people to be texting or talking on cell phones or handheld devices while they were driving a vehicle.

Mr. Speaker, although my name is Jane and I am a distracted driver…

---Laughter

…I am here today to say that if that vote were taken again today, I would have to support that initiative from this side of the House.

Mr. Speaker, just the other day I was driving down Franklin Avenue, and I thought this could not happen to me, but I was texting while driving and I almost rear ended a vehicle in front of me. I really pride myself in being a multi-tasker and I thought that it’s only other people who couldn’t do this, like my husband, who is painful to watch him even text, never mind drive and text, and I thought that I was very good at texting with that one hand and that would never happen to me. However, Mr.

Speaker, it gave me quite a scare and I do think that we, as a government, need to do the responsible thing and bring forward, in a timely manner, legislation that would fine and penalize people from texting and speaking on cell phones while they are driving, and bring this into effect as soon as possible. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

It gives me great pleasure to introduce in the gallery today my constituency assistant from Hay River. Ms. Diana Yeager is here today.

The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to welcome into the gallery a constituent of Inuvik Twin Lakes who also happens to be the mayor of Inuvik, Mr. Denny Rodgers. Welcome.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Mark Bogan, a constituent of the Great Slave riding.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I may, I would also like to recognize His Worship Denny Rodgers, the mayor of Inuvik, who is also a little brother of my first best friend when I moved to Yellowknife, Canada, 32 years ago. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize Mr. Denny Rodgers, a board member with the Business Development Investment Corporation. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. If we missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the House. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just want to follow up with the Minister of Health and Social Services on my Member’s statement that I raised about the closure of the Edmonton City Centre Airport, or the imminent closure. There was a recent city election in Edmonton and, unfortunately, the city supports the closure of the airport, but with that, Mr. Speaker, I know that when they get re-elected that there are a bunch of procedures that have to happen.

I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services , does she have a plan to engage the new mayor and councillors and indicate how much of a stakeholder we are and how important the Edmonton City Centre Airport is for the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I mentioned that this was the responsibility of the airport, what I meant was the decision to close the airport was within the jurisdiction of the municipality of Edmonton.

Mr. Speaker, it should be made clear, and I’ve said on many occasions, that this is a very important issue for us and we have a responsibility to make sure that our public and our patients that need to use the Alberta facilities and Edmonton facilities are taken care of.

In that regard, I have been communicating with the Minister of Health in Alberta who, along with his Premier , have set up a quality council who are going to review the medical travel component. Mayor Mandel has committed that the runway will not close until there is a clear and workable plan. Our officials, under my direction, are in direct contact with the head of the quality council, who is coming up with a plan.

I should also mention that our Premier has met with the mayor in person weeks before the Member for Yellowknife Centre also did, and that I am working with the Alberta government and Alberta health services to make sure that our interests are protected. We have a commitment from the quality council that they will be consulting with us directly throughout the process and we are working with them. Thank you.

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased that the Minister has reiterated some of the plans and some of the engagements that she had with respect to the closing of this airport.

Has the Minister engaged the new mayor of Edmonton and the new council, and what is the strategy in order to let them know that we are just as an important part of the planning of the imminent or planned closure of the Edmonton City Centre Airport? Thank you.

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

Oral Questions

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, yes, indeed. We have invited the mayor to come up this summer. The mayor had committed to come up, but given that they were going through the election this September wasn’t going to be a good time. I was hoping that that could happen when the committee members were here.

Regardless, Edmonton as a municipality has made a decision to close that airport. It has been going on for many years. It started in a phased approach. The plebiscite was held 15 years ago. The recent election confirmed again the public position on that. My job as the Minister of Health and Social Services and this government is to make sure that our interests are protected and heard. That is what I am doing. We are directly involved with the Minister of Health office in the Alberta Health office who is responsible for medical travel. We are part of that discussion. We are very much involved.

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I think one of the things that constituents hear, and also Northerners hear, is that as the days go on, the point of where the medevacs end up are getting further and further away. Now in the news they are talking about Calgary. I would just like to know how is our government getting involved to ensure that... I was going to say their wise and infinite...

How are they getting information from us on a daily basis? That is not something at least my constituents want to see going further and further away. In fact, I think for my constituents, the better alternative is to stay at the Grande Prairie Regional Hospital. How is the Minister continually engaging with the city and with the Alberta government in that regard, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, what our people need to know and I need them to know and the Members here should know is that when there is a medical emergency in any part of our Territory, they are connected with our medical providers at the regional level and a territorial level. There are doctors and nurses and care providers who are looking at the patient’s situation and deciding on the medical course of action. They will be sent to the Territorial Hospital in Yellowknife if necessary or if it is something that needs to go to southern jurisdictions right away, that will be done.

Then our medical professionals get on their network of contacts to see where the closest facility is for that patient to receive care. In most situations, those are in Edmonton. It could be Grande Prairie if they have services that the patient requires. Sometimes it is further away. They will be sent to the closest facility where the necessary medical services will be provided. That would not change. We will continue to work with Alberta Health to make sure that plan is in place before the airport closes. That is the work plan right now. Thank you.

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is exactly what I am looking for. I am looking for a strategy by our Minister of Health and Social Services as well as our government. What is the strategy to take care of the medical needs and the emergency medical needs of our Northerners, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I don’t believe there was a question. I agree with the Member that this is very important to us and we are fully engaged. We are engaged at all appropriate and necessary levels, at the Minister’s level and at the official level. Thank you.

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Question 260-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 261-16(5): Costs Associated With Mackenzie Gas Project

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Finance from whom I received the written reply to my written question of May 19th regarding the cost to this

government of supporting the Mackenzie Gas Project.

In my question, I asked the cost by year during the 16th Assembly for costs such as (

b) travel and

receptions by Ministers, MLAs and other officials, (

c) staff positions and contractor services, and (

d) communications, planning promotional events, publicity and advertising.

The tabled response I received, however, is inadequate and almost evasive. It does not supply the costs specifically requested by category in b, c or d. The amounts are lumped into mass totals by year and not detailed by the activities requested. Can the Minister tell me whether he will provide these amounts under the specific categories requested in my written question? Mahsi.

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Question 261-16(5): Costs Associated With Mackenzie Gas Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 261-16(5): Costs Associated With Mackenzie Gas Project

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The information we provided gives a significant overview. The Member has requested more detail. I will commit to check with the officials to see whether we can pull that type of information together with any kind of alacrity. Thank you.

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Question 261-16(5): Costs Associated With Mackenzie Gas Project

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I very much appreciate that response from the Minister. I had very good reasons, of course, for asking this detail. For example, the tabled response gives a sole identifiable cost of a particular trip to Calgary as $1,455. However, I have learned that this one trip listed as $1,455 actually cost several times this for travel plus additional costs for hospitality, media and consultant services. So $21,000, in fact, is a far cry from the $1,455 listed. I am not saying that it is not in the total response from the Minister, but it is very difficult to determine. Again, will the Minister assure that the information is in there so I can sort those details out? Thank you.

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Question 261-16(5): Costs Associated With Mackenzie Gas Project

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure what the Member’s other source of information is, but in my previous answer I made a commitment that I will check with officials and I will honour that. Thank you.

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Question 261-16(5): Costs Associated With Mackenzie Gas Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I talked about the AIP today. My questions are for the Premier .

What I am mostly looking for here is clarity. I think there is a lot of confusion about content of the AIP. I think it is up to us and Cabinet in particular to make sure that people really understand the content of the AIP.

I have read it. I have pulled it down from the CBC website and I have read it. I am curious what the Premier is planning to do other than what the Premier started with today. There was some information today, which is great. But what next steps is the Premier going to be taking to ensure clarity, ensure that people understand the content, understand what this AIP means to us in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The process that we would have engaged in has a normal procedure that goes through with an agreement-in-principle. We would be preparing a public paper for their consumption in the areas of the AIP, what it means if there was a decision to proceed.

Seeing that, as the Member pointed out, it is out there for public consumption and there are many comments being made now that some are made more in just not understanding the full document or out of context, and some positioning being taken out there by others, that we feel we will have to come up with a plain read document or somehow get out to the households in the NWT how we put the final touches on it.

But we need to look at what type of information do we get out there and the timing of it, because we would also like to get the response back from the aboriginal leadership across the Territories and be in a better position to be able to respond from just the GNWT’s side.

We are looking at doing whether it is a household package or attaching something to the website. We will be coming to Members with that type of information before we do anything, though. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, thanks to the Premier for that. I look forward to seeing the plain language document or whatever we are going to call it when it comes out.

Like I said, I have read the AIP. It is not the easiest read out there. There is a lot of information in there. There are a lot of things that need to be thought about, considered and talked about.

My question to the Premier is: What kind of timeline are we looking at? You mentioned that there are some things that need to be done before this can come out, but people are talking about it today. If you go out into the streets, people will ask you and they’re asking me what does it mean, what is the content? Although it’s out in the CBC, we aren’t really in a position to talk too much about the detail. So when is this going to come out? When is this plain language document going to come out and be available to the people of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

We will have to sit down and look at what a plain language document would look like, the timing of getting it out, the method, going to Members for your input, as well, to see if we are on the right track and ensuring we are protecting the process we are in right now and informing the public as to the work that has been done.

As the Member pointed out, we started today to set the record straight, so to speak, on some of the information that’s gone out there. We are looking to do a number of other statements. So that is one of the ways we’ll do that along with this public document that we’re looking at creating. Thank you.

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Once again, thank you for the statement from earlier today and I look forward to any future statements that are made by Cabinet to help encourage the understanding.

I’m curious, the document is out and as a Regular Member on this side of the House, I’m not scared of the AIP. I think it’s an important document. It’s nine years’ worth of negotiations put into this thing. We’ve come to a point where we have an agreement-in-principle which basically just, if signed, allows us to take the next step and begin the negotiations. So I’m not scared of the document. Let’s talk about it. It has been posted. Is there any reason why we can’t table that document here in the House? I’m curious about process now that it’s out. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

We have almost 15 different tables of negotiations going on across the Northwest Territories about self-government and land claims and resources and those matters. As we go through those and a decision is made to sign an agreement to get to the final stage of negotiations, we don’t put those documents out here for debate. What we do, much like previous governments have done with the Tlicho Act itself in establishing that self-government, that bill would come to the House.

Those things would come to the House for debate at that level.

But seeing that it is out there and there’s much discussion and debate happening in the absence of the context of this agreement, one of the things we want to do is work with the partners in here to see if they’re prepared to join us in doing something of this nature to get a plain language document out to households in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just for the record, I’m not interested in renegotiating the AIP. I know that we’ve had professionals who have taken our message to the federal government and they’ve negotiated this deal and they’ve got to the point where the AIP is done. It’s done. There’s no more negotiation on it. It’s in front of us. We either accept it or we don’t accept it. So I’m not interested in renegotiating it.

I’m just interested in standing behind it. It’s public. It’s already gone. The press has it. It’s on their website. I’m okay with standing behind this document saying, this is what we have, this is the deal that’s been negotiated, this is what we have to make a decision on today and put it out in front of the people and let them talk about it and let us help them understand what it means. So that’s the only reason I would suggest that we would benefit from tabling it, because it’s out there. We might as well stand behind it and start helping people understand it.

So I’m not sure if the Premier said he would table it or he won’t table it. So just to that question, is there any chance we might table it just so we can really stand behind that document?

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

The process we have; one, Cabinet has yet to make a decision on this document. I think at that point, then it becomes something that we could either stand behind and support going forward or it becomes a moot discussion that there is no moving forward. But I agree with what the Member stated about the fact that we have come to a place, chief negotiators have sent a letter saying they’ve reached their mandate, this is it, time for a decision to be made Thank you.

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Question 262-16(5): Draft Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today in my Member’s statement I spoke of the CMHC declining funds impact on the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. I have questions for the Minister of the Housing Corporation . Has the Minister given direction to the Northwest Territories

Housing Corporation staff to develop a plan to address the CMHC declining fund? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister of NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have started a preliminary plan on dealing with some of the declining federal funding from CMHC. The Member is absolutely correct. We are starting to look at how we can work with the different units we have putting multiplexes and just looking at the overall picture. So there is a preliminary plan that we are putting in place and we will continue to develop that as we go along. Thank you.

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, will the Minister provide this House with a framework of this plan that’s been developed by the staff at the NWT Housing Corporation on the CMHC declining fund? Thank you.

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

I’d be willing to provide Members with a framework for a plan. Obviously, we’d have to be looking at things like managing our portfolio a lot better, extending the life of the units we have on the ground.

Another part of the plan would be arrears collection. We have approximately $23 million in arrears across the Northwest Territories and that would go a long way in helping to alleviate some of the loss of revenue we have from CMHC.

We are working with our colleagues in Nunavut and the Yukon to approach the federal government, CMHC, and let them know the effect the funding will have on the housing in the Northwest Territories, as well as working with my federal colleagues, the other Ministers of Housing, getting their support in trying to see if we can get that funding to continue. So we are working on starting to get the plans in place to deal with some of the funding. I’d be willing to provide Members with a bit of a framework, if that is what the Member is looking for.

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Can the Minister outline other aspects of the plan that the NWT Housing Corporation will be employing as it pertains to creating homeownership out of public housing tenants? Thank you.

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Ideally we’d like to see a lot of our public housing owners become homeowners. If it means a particular unit they are in, we are always willing to look at those options. With all the homeownerships we have put in the Northwest Territories over the number of years, we are getting to the point now where the Housing Corporation is actually starting to repair a lot of those units that we gave to the people in the first place. So that is something that we are going to have a look at. There may come a day where we

may have to determine are we just a provider of social housing and maybe ease away from the homeownership part of it.

It’s hard for us to put up new public housing now because of declining funding, so what we are doing is putting up replacement public housing. So we are looking at a lot of different options that we can use as far as reducing our public housing stock and bringing new units on board to deal with the funding. Thank you.

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope the Housing Corporation doesn’t move away from homeownership. I think that’s the way to develop and build small markets in the communities.

Mr. Speaker, the CMHC fund has been declining for over 10 years now. What has the Minister and the corporation done to address the decline to date? Thank you.

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

The initiatives that I pointed out before were designed to deal with some of the declining funding to date; more specifically, the replacement rather than adding to the public housing stock. The Member is correct; we’ve cumulatively lost $5.8 million in CMHC funding in the past 10 years. This year alone is $676,000.

We have a huge challenge facing us and we’re doing, as a corporation, what we can to try to deal with some of the challenges and that one of the messages that I’ve been, I wouldn’t say preaching, but across the Northwest Territories in all the meetings I’ve gone to with the public, is the importance of dealing with public housing arrears. Again, that $23 million will go a long way in helping us deal with some of the deficit and it will go a long way to being able to invest some of that $23 million back into the public housing stock.

This is one where I think all of the NWT Housing Corporation tenants and clients are going to have to step up to the plate and realize that we are facing a huge challenge and that we’re going to have to make some hard decisions very soon.

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Question 263-16(5): NWTHC Plan To Address CMHC Declining Fund

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like a number of my colleagues here, I’ll continue with the municipal airport closure issue. Assuming that does become the eventuality, this is going to cause significant concern.

When I met with the mayor of Edmonton, Mayor Stephen Mandel, he mentioned that Senator Patterson, the senator for Nunavut, had written a

letter expressing his concern about this particular issue. However, he did sort of only sprinkle light interest that the territorial government has played a significant role in this, other than the fact that he’s basically mentioned that he knows of their interest. He doesn’t mention anything about how they’ve taken a proactive role.

The primary point I’m getting at is that the mayor had suggested that quite conceivably the Edmonton International Airport may be the new venue for a triage where protocols will be developed. Maybe Star Ambulance will be based out of there in such a way that it will be responding to those emergency cases. Not at one time did he mention that the territorial government Minister of Health was involved in the development of that plan to make sure our territorial residents are protected and safe in those moments of need.

Where is the government on that particular issue to ensure that we’re on the ground level of that development and that particular issue? I’d like to hear her perspective.

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t think I can comment or respond to what the mayor said in his conversation with the honourable Member.

What I need to say is that while the decision to close the municipal airport is within the jurisdiction of the mayor and the city, the responsibility of looking after the medical travel issues is within Alberta Health Services and the Minister of Health of Alberta.

I am engaged in discussing with the Minister of Health in Alberta. My officials are engaged in directly communicating with her counterparts in Alberta. There is a quality council set up to work out a plan for medical travel. In fact, I believe I’m on record to say in the May session that one of the things that Alberta Health is looking at is a triage at the Edmonton airport. With all due respect to Mayor Mandel, I don’t believe he’s going to do the planning for medevac. It will be Alberta Health Services. We are involved with Alberta Health Services.

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

We’ve come to one of the main issues that seem to be the problem. It’s no different than this draft AIP problem and certainly with the health one, which is the fact of who is communicating our message to the government. It’s no different than when I had asked for plain language on the other issue. We need plain language on this particular issue to make sure that people know what’s happening.

What is the Minister doing to communicate to the public exactly the territorial government’s plan?

What is the message by this government to ensure that the health care of all Northerners will be enshrined in any change or process that this will be protected? I tell you, the only person who is speaking out there is literally the public talking to themselves and the media sort of talking. But they need leadership and guidance from this government. Where is that communication plan?

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I’ve said it many, many times and I say it again, and I don’t know if anybody… I don’t know. I’m on record on many, many occasions to say we are engaged. I am talking to Alberta Health Services. I am talking to the Minister of Health of Alberta, who is directly in charge of medevac services in Alberta and provision of services in Alberta facilities. The Premier has conveyed the government’s position to the mayor. My deputy minister is in communication with the assistant deputy minister of Alberta. We have a commitment from Alberta government that we are going to be part of the plan. We are engaged.

We are working on this issue. I will say it a hundred times again: The public has every right to know and I want to assure the public that we consider this a very, very important issue. We’ve been involved in this for two years. I don’t know what else to say to the Member if he keeps saying he’s not hearing. I am saying we are engaged.

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I’d like to know what the Minister of Health and Social Services has negotiated on the public’s behalf and I think the public deserves to know what the Minister has negotiated on their behalf. Furthermore, I think the public likes to see the proof of that, what they’ve done and created as a plan that will ensure that the health care for northern residents across the Territory will be protected and treated as a priority.

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

The plan is in the works. The plan is being worked on. We are being consulted on the plan. The Premier of Alberta set up the quality council. Our Premier was engaged, as well, at his level. I am engaged with the Minister of Health in Alberta. We have two years before the last runway closes. Mayor Mandel has said that the runway will be open until we have a plan. The Premier of Alberta said that. We are engaged. I have talked to the federal Minister of Health . I have talked to Minister Ambrose, who is the Minister responsible for Northern Alberta.

I want to assure the public that we are totally engaged in this file, that we are talking at all appropriate levels, and we are committed to making sure that our northern perspective is heard when that plan is being finalized. It will take a while to finalize that plan.

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ve heard plan, plan, and plan. The fact is we can plan until we’re blue in the face. The fact is we want to

know, I want to know, the public wants to know what the GNWT is supporting. Are they supporting the closure of the municipal airport? At what cost are they supporting the closure of the municipal airport? Are they supporting it in the context that there will be a triage built? What does that actually mean to me? What does it mean to the Assembly? What does it mean to the general public? What is the GNWT supporting in this possible eventuality? That’s the type of detail. What are you negotiating, what are you planning, and what is the GNWT’s position? Do they support this and why?

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

The question is not whether or not we support or do not support what a municipal jurisdiction in another province is doing. What we are doing is we’re going to look after the patient safety of our northern residents. That’s our job, that’s what we are doing, and I am working, as the Minister responsible, for our residents, to make sure that our interests are protected.

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Question 264-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . I have spoken before about a portion of my riding where the residents are facing huge infrastructure replacement costs. The Northland residents are still struggling to finalize a plan for the project to replace their aging and decrepit infrastructure. They’re trying to find a way to finance this plan. Recently the City of Yellowknife submitted a proposal to the federal government for some funding through the GNWT. I particularly want to thank the GNWT and especially MACA for their assistance with that proposal. I believe ITI also had a hand in that. I thank them for that.

I have some questions for the Minister with regard to the proposal and with regard to potential future situations that might arise. Firstly, can the Minister advise the status of the city’s proposal to the federal government for funding to assist the Northland infrastructure replacement project?

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Municipal and Community Affairs did support the city in applying for the federal infrastructure Green Fund. As far as we know, we’re still waiting for word back on the application. Minister Bob McLeod , when he went down to Ottawa, had an opportunity to reinforce our support for the city’s application to access funds out of the

Green Fund. As well, Minister of infrastructure Michael McLeod sent a letter off to Ottawa again reinforcing our support for the city’s application.

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for that update. I appreciate the efforts that this government is making towards trying to get some answer out of the federal government. I expect there’s as much frustration on the part of MACA as there is on the part of the Northland residents with regard to the proposal.

If the situation should occur where Northland has a major and sudden and serious sewer infrastructure failure, I’d like to know from the Minister whether or not there are any protocols, policies, guidelines that exist within this government that would govern GNWT actions in such a case; actions that the government would have to take to accommodate residents who have been shut out of their homes because of a public order condemning their properties. What protocols do we have that would guide GNWT actions in this case?

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Should the unfortunate incident occur that the Member is speaking about, I mean, obviously the city would be in the forefront in trying to deal with some of the damage that occurred there. If the city asks for assistance from MACA or any other appropriate departments, we’d do what we can to assist the city to deal with some of the issues that would take place at Northland should that most unfortunate incident occur where the pipes burst and things go bad.

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I appreciate that the Minister is saying that this government would provide some assistance to the City of Yellowknife if such a situation were to occur. I think it’s important to note that Northland is a neighbourhood of about 1,100 people, which is about 2.6 percent of our whole NWT population. To the Minister, should the city all of a sudden have to find accommodations for some 1,100 people, what will our government do to assist them?

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

This is a privately held condominium. We would do what we can to assist whenever possible, wherever possible, and if it is possible. First of all, we have to hope that we never get to that situation, because it would be unfortunate for the residents of Northland Condominium Corporation, who is facing a huge infrastructure crisis. I appreciate the Member’s comments about the 2.6 percent population, but still it’s a privately held condominium corporation.

Having said that, we still as a community, and I mean the Northwest Territories, have to do what we can to assist them through tough times if that does happen.

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to totally agree with the Minister. I absolutely hope we never get there. But almost every day, every month that this infrastructure doesn’t get replaced the potential for a major sewer break looms larger and larger.

The Minister says that this government will do what they can. That doesn’t really satisfy me in terms of details. One of the things that would be needed is that once this catastrophic sewer failure has occurred -- and the city is going to be on the hook for it probably -- what would the GNWT do to assist the city to get these major infrastructure repairs done? Thank you.

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Question 265-16(5): Funding To Assist Northland Infrastructure Replacement Project

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . That’s pretty well a hypothetical question until that happens, so I’m going to rule that question out of order.

---Ruled Out of Order

The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to follow up with my colleagues. Mr. Menicoche and Mr. Hawkins had questions to the Minister of Health earlier and I want to follow up on that.

I find it very interesting that the Minister can stand up here in the House time and time again and say how very, very important this issue is and how deeply involved her and the government are when the decision to close the Edmonton City Centre Airport was made without any vocal outcry from our government or from our Minister.

Mr. Speaker, this happened when people in our communities were coming to us and saying, what is our government doing? What is our government saying about the closure of this airport in Edmonton? And all the Minister can do is stand up in the House and say we’ve written letters. Like I said earlier, it took us two months to get a copy of those letters. None were penned by the Minister to anybody in Alberta. So how can she defend that she has taken this issue so seriously when she hasn’t even written a letter herself to anybody, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am on record to say that the municipality had voted on a plebiscite years ago to close this airport in a phased fashion. Two years ago we were aware that they were closing this and the letter that the Stanton CEO sent is not a letter to some consultant

in Missouri. That was, in fact, very appropriate and direct input that our government put in. We wrote to them to tell them how important this service is. We were involved exactly where we should have been.

Mr. Speaker, since then, the decision to close the airport has had overwhelming support within the municipality, and my job, as the Minister of Health and Social Services , is to work with my counterpart in Alberta to plan. We have a commitment from the municipality that the last runway will not close until we have a plan. The Minister of Health in Alberta talked to me about Premier Stelmach setting up a quality council and we have a commitment from them that we will be involved. Mr. Speaker, we are taking all appropriate actions and necessary actions to make sure that our view and our needs are part of their consideration. Thank you.

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I think the Minister is missing my point. The CEO can write a letter and you can rest assured that if there is a decision by the province of Saskatchewan or the province of British Columbia that impacted the province of Alberta, their Ministers would be up publicly decreeing what that decision was and the impacts it would have on the citizens of Alberta. Our Minister was nowhere to be found when it came to defending the interests of the people of the Northwest Territories and the closure of that airport. That is very obvious, Mr. Speaker.

Now I’m trying to find some comfort in that going forward that we are going to have some assurances and certainty that the Minister will be more vocal on the needs and the desires of our citizens to have those appropriate services in place in Edmonton for medevac services, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

The Member is missing my point, with all due respect. Politicians can do their thing. At the end of the day, we have to be part of the plan. That’s what the Members here expect. That’s what our public expects. What is our plan to make sure that when our patients need health care in Alberta, that they will get their service as quickly as possible? We support Premier Stelmach’s establishment of a quality council, and their mandate is very clear and includes identifying effective practices and making recommendations for the improvement of patient safety and health service quality.

Our deputy minister is in, and I’ve said this about three times today, my officials are in touch with Alberta health officials. We have a commitment from them that we will be part of this plan. We have two years to plan this. This is very complicated work and we are involved.

Mr. Speaker, the decision to close the municipal airport happened years ago, years ago. They had a referendum 15 years ago. They had our support then. They have support now. The Member says I should have stopped that. I would rather spend my energy working out a plan that addresses the

patient safety issues of my residents and our residents in the Territory, and I’m doing that, exactly what I should be doing. Thank you.

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I think the Minister is missing my point. My point is that the Minister was nowhere to be found during this discussion on the closure of that airport. There was no public statement issued by this government whatsoever, and I think that was the wrong thing to do, Mr. Speaker. Like I said, our responsibilities are to the people of the Northwest Territories and we have to make sure that our interests are known, respected and accounted for at every table.

I don’t think we should be going down there and telling them how they should develop their plans, but every interest of the people of the Northwest Territories has to be respected and known at those tables, and I want some assurance that the Minister is going to make sure that that happens. Thank you.

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I’m doing exactly that, so I’m sure the Member agrees with what I am doing. Thank you.

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Your final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope that the Minister has listened. Again, she is the Minister of Health and Social Services . If anybody is going to defend the interests of the people in regard to health and social services here in the Northwest Territories, it’s her. It’s not her staff. It’s not the bureaucrats in the department. It’s the Minister, Mr. Speaker. I’d like, again, some assurances from the Minister that she is going to take more of a leadership role in being vocal about what those interests are for the residents in the Northwest Territories. Not her deputy minister, not the senior staff, but her herself. Thank you.

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I agree with him that I, as the Minister of Health and Social Services , should take leadership on this and give appropriate direction. I have done that. I have talked to the Minister of Health in Alberta on that. The Premier of Alberta has set up a health quality council of Alberta. Their mandate is to promote patient safety and health service quality on a province-wide basis, that means Alberta. They will set out guidelines on how patient safety will be taken care of. My officials are not doing my job. They are working under my direction.

They are in touch with my counterpart in Alberta and we have a commitment from them that we will be consulted in this quality council. We’re doing exactly what the Member wants to do and I will make a commitment that we will give you, in writing, as this project… I will give you in writing and we will inform the public about the work as it progresses, but understanding that we still have months to go in terms of working out the plan. I’m doing exactly what he thinks I should do and I don’t know why I’m not being heard. Thank you.

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Question 266-16(5): Closure Of Edmonton Municipal Airport

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 267-16(5): Possible Extension Of Aklavik Airport Runway

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

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