Debates of Jan. 28th, 1998

This is page numbers 367 - 401 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Western Transition Planning

Review Of Keewatin Operations

Federal Assistance For Diamond Benefits

Proposed Merger Of The Bank Of Montreal And The Royal Bank

Recognition Of Igloolik Elementary School Teachers

History Of The Pay Equity Issue

Passing Of Johnny Providence

Lobbying Effort For Nunavut Act Amendments

Diand's Northern Development Responsibilities

Keewatin Regional Health Board Difficulties

Lease Commitments Beyond Division

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Navigation Aids At Iqaluit Airport

Official Recognition Of Inuit Teachers

Royal And Montreal Bank Merger

Return To Oral Question 123-13(5): Royal And Montreal Bank Merger

Controls On GNWT Lease Arrangements

Rae-edzo Municipal Financing

Municipal Funding For Rae-edzo

Resolute Bay Request For Arena

Status Of Digital Communications Network

Transfer Of GNWT Employees To Nunavut

Recruitment Plan For Health Professionals

Availability Of Staff Housing

Loss Of Staff Housing Revenue

Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

Child Tax Benefit

Diand Minister's Attention To The North

Monitoring Boards Of Management

Tabled Document 23-13(5): Lease - Lahm Ridge Tower

Approval Of Formula Financing Agreement

Referral Of Tabled Document 19-13(5) Guidelines For Implementing Public/private Partnerships To Committee Of The Whole

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Analysis Of The Transfer Of Human Resource Administration Functions To Departments

Resolution Of The Public Service Act Amendments Issues

Item 21: Report Of The Committee

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 367

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Good afternoon. I would like at this time to thank the Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark , for taking my place yesterday as I attended the funeral in Kakisa. His work has been very much appreciated.

--Applause

Speaker's Ruling

Before we proceed with the orders today, I would like to provide a ruling concerning the tabling of unsigned documents in the House. The chair has the responsibility to ensure compliance with the rules, practices and procedures as established by this, and previous Legislative Assemblies. As Speaker I have to ensure that items such as tabling of documents and petitions adhere to the rules and practices. In carrying out that responsibility Members will recall, yesterday the honourable Member from Hay River tabled a note that was passed to her in the House. This note was unsigned and undated.

Although this matter was not raised as a point of order at the time of tabling, the issue of the tabling of unsigned documents is one of concern to the Chair because it raises fundamental issues with respect to the verification and authentication of facts that may be contained therein. Members may be interested to note that this issue has been the subject of some debate in this House in the past.

With respect to this, I refer Members back to my ruling of March 27, 1995, in the term of the 12th Assembly concerning the tabling of an unsigned letter by the then, honourable Member from Thebacha . That ruling reviewed the rules and precedents concerning this matter and clearly established the requirements and limitations as to the content for petitions and tabled documents in our House. I quote from page 612 of the March 27, 1995 Hansard:

It is my ruling that it is not an acceptable practice to table unsigned letters in this House, so therefore, all letters tabled, whether it be by the government or by Ordinary Members, will have to be forthwith directed from a specific individual or organization, dated and signed.

This ruling was clear and concise with respect to this issue.

It is my ruling that the document tabled yesterday by the honourable Member from Hay River does not meet the requirement to be from a specific individual or organization, dated and signed. Therefore the document is ruled not to be in an acceptable format for tabling and should not have been tabled in this House. I have instructed the Clerk to remove this item from the tabled document list and to amend Hansard to reflect this change. Thank you.

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 27-13(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Canadian Council Ministers of the Environment Meeting in St. John's, Newfoundland. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 27-13(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 28-13(5): Western Transition Planning

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank You Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, last October, I tabled an Action Plan for the Transition to a new Western Territory. I rise today to report progress on measures being taken towards the creation of a strong and stable Western Territory in 1999.

On January 21st, I attended a meeting with DIAND Minister Jane Stewart at which western transition issues were raised. Minister Stewart has agreed to another meeting to talk about western transition in more depth. I see this as a very positive sign on the Minister's part, and I look forward to the discussion.

GNWT employees working in the west, particularly those in headquarters, want and deserve information on how division may change their workplace. Any employees who will be affected by downsizing in headquarters as a result of division should have time to plan their futures. I would like to assure Members and the public that we are working to develop a plan that will outline changes in staffing as quickly as possible.

The plan will, of course, depend in part on discussions with the Office of the Interim Commissioner on contracts with the western government to provide some services for Nunavut during a transitional period. Representatives at the Nunavut Leaders Summit in Iqaluit earlier this month recognized that any contracting must be worked out in such a way as to allow the GNWT adequate time to make personnel, office space, training and other similar adjustments and arrangements and to recover costs.

I was pleased to hear that the parties have committed to working with the Interim Commissioner to finalize an implementation plan by March 15, 1998, and look forward to seeing the details of anticipated contracting between the two new territories.

As was stated in the action plan, division will have an impact on the western economy. The plan identifies the need for measures that will help offset these impacts, foster economic stability and keep the confidence of investors and the business community in general. I understand that the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and the Minister of Finance will review the future of economic development activity in the west in light of division, and outline steps we can take to reinforce our western economy.

We have made good progress so far in transition planning although a great deal of work remains to be done. Our key to success in the commitment of the Western Caucus to keep western stakeholders informed and involved.

I also cannot emphasize enough the importance of continued cooperation among leaders east and west to ensure that the two new territories are created in an equitable and orderly fashion. I look forward to working with my fellow northerners both within and outside the Assembly in the coming months to meet the challenges that lie ahead. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 28-13(5): Western Transition Planning

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 29-13(5): Review Of Keewatin Operations

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a status report on health and social services in the Keewatin region.

In September, 1997, the Department of Health and Social Services conducted a review of changes proposed by the Keewatin Regional Health Board. This review was initiated in response to concerns from Members of this House and the public.

From last October until two weeks ago, the Department of Health and Social Services worked at arm's length with the staff of the Keewatin Regional Health Board to help the board staff implement recommendations of the September review.

Two weeks ago, as Members are aware, the board chair and the chief executive officer resigned. Mr. Percy Kabloona, who was serving the board as deputy chair, was immediately appointed acting chair. Mr. Kabloona promptly consulted with all of the board trustees. Following their consultation, the board requested support from the department to bring stability to board operations until such time as a permanent chair and CEO are in place.

Mr. Speaker, we are currently providing help in key areas to the existing board trustees and their staff in order to ensure the effective and efficient delivery of health and social services and thereby regain credibility with Keewatin residents.

The department is providing the following assistance to the board.

- Since January 19, a senior department official has been acting as CEO;

- Last week, our assistant deputy minister was in Rankin Inlet dealing with management and service delivery board staff about staffing issues in general and specifically about how to re-establish the full staff complement;

- The department's manager of human resources travelled to Rankin Inlet with our deputy minister in the middle of January to deal with staffing issues and to assist in establishing an effective action plan to recruit and retain professional and support staff for the Keewatin Regional Health Board;

- This week the department has sent several additional people over to Rankin Inlet to work with the board; for example,

- Staff from our financial and management services division are conducting some financial diagnostic analyses aimed at establishing a viable financial management plan;

- The department's nursing consultant travelled to Rankin Inlet this week to talk about professional practise and recruitment strategies;

- Staff are available in Rankin Inlet to assist in rationalizing contract administration for the Keewatin board;

- Finally, we have provided staff to ensure that administrative support systems for the board are working efficiently and effectively.

Mr. Speaker, the acting CEO and Mr. Kabloona have conducted a series of conference calls to the communities who fall within the purview of the Keewatin board. These calls focused on the primary health and social concerns of these communities.

Further, the acting CEO and chair are planning visits to communities to assess the status of health and social service delivery and to address concerns the communities have identified.

The action plan will include:

- First, re-establishing front-line staffing levels, particularly for social workers and nurses.

- Second, stabilizing general practitioner services for the region. As I speak, arrangements for discussions with the Northern Medical Unit are being finalized. These discussions will focus on

- the needs of Keewatin residents; and

- determining how the NMU could assist in this area.

- Third, reviewing and supporting administrative processes.

- Finally, recruiting a permanent CEO for the board.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to add that the interim CEO and board chair will work with a joint committee at the staff level with representatives from KIA and each hamlet to ensure that ongoing concerns are being addressed.

Further, for the time being the Department of Health and Social Services will take the lead in managing the Rankin Inlet and Arviat capital projects. I believe that it is critical that KRHB staff remains focused on ongoing community programs and services over the next several months.

Mr. Speaker, some of the most critical issues that the KRHB currently faces are shared with other boards. These include such issues as recruitment and retention of health and social service professionals, physicians, nurses and social workers. As I mentioned earlier this week, I will table a plan to deal with recruitment and retention across the territories by late February.

As Minister of Health and Social Services , I have the responsibility to ensure that adequate health and social services are provided to all residents of the Northwest Territories.

I have full confidence that the measures laid out today, once implemented in partnership with the board, hamlet council representatives, and the Keewatin Inuit Association will fully restore the stability, credibility and confidence needed to sustain the health and social service system in the Keewatin region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 29-13(5): Review Of Keewatin Operations

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 369

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 105-13(5): Federal Assistance For Diamond Benefits

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to day to speak about federal assistance to assist the territories, particularly the western NWT, which as we know is hurting with layoffs and mine closures and so on. Last Thursday, I spoke about this a bit. I am not talking about asking the federal government to set a precedent as they provide assistance all the time, and also the Member for Yellowknife Centre touched on it yesterday and actually gave the act under which this is done.

Under the act, the federal government has provided hundreds of millions of dollars to the fishing industries on the east and west coast, to farmers on the prairies when there is drought, the floods in Manitoba and to help people when they had ice storms in Quebec and Ontario. We need similar relief for the miners who have lost their jobs and also for the mines to ensure that no more mines close. Of course, this will only be until the gold prices go up. Similarly, in the diamond industry, we need federal assistance. We know that 80 percent of the money spent on diamonds is spent after the diamonds are mined.

I am talking about a secondary industry, like we want to establish here.

Mr. Speaker, I am talking about detailed sorting for market, cutting and polishing diamonds. We know that people will come here if there is a proper setting. The mines have also said that they will do more here if we can demonstrate that it makes economic sense. Of course, we are not only talking about taking federal money because the GNWT could and should help here too. For instance, we could train people and help move them to jobs, if we have to.

Also, aboriginal claimant groups have claims money which they now invest mostly in the south because there is no investment opportunities here, but they do want to invest in the north. They just need the opportunities. For example, an aboriginal consortium of three aboriginal groups want to put up a sorting facility, and they would invest in other parts of the industry as well. Mr. Speaker, what I am talking about fits both sides of the federal Minister's portfolio because the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs is responsible for both aboriginal people and the north.

Federal assistance would help aboriginal people realize their potential and would help us end the days of the north going cap-in-hand to the federal government for most of our money. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 105-13(5): Federal Assistance For Diamond Benefits

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 105-13(5): Federal Assistance For Diamond Benefits

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said federal assistance could help the aboriginal people to realize their potential and also help the north end its days of going cap-in-hand to the federal government for most of our money. In fact, it is possible that we may not need any federal money if things are done properly, particularly, if they transfer royalties and the responsibility for land and mining to the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 105-13(5): Federal Assistance For Diamond Benefits

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 106-13(5): Proposed Merger Of The Bank Of Montreal And The Royal Bank

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to rise to speak briefly on the issue of the proposed merger of the Royal Bank and the Bank of Montreal and the possible implications, most of which are probably negative to the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, this is one of the biggest economic news items that has come along in some time, and initial thoughts that I have heard indicate that there is up to 9,000 jobs potentially lost and that the biggest impact will be felt by small jurisdictions and rural communities. Mr.

Speaker, in Fort Smith we are very sensitive to any kind of issue that relates to the banks because a few years ago the CIBC pulled up stakes arbitrarily and left us high and dry as a community and it is only because the Bank of Montreal was persuaded to come to town that we do have banking facilities. I want to ensure that, in fact, there is no impact that would cause a loss of those services.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Premier later today if he will, in fact, write to the Prime Minister and to the special committee that is reviewing this proposed merger so that he can raise issues on behalf of all northerners not just Fort Smith. Those communities that have Royal Banks and the Bank of Montreal like Yellowknife, like Iqaluit could possibly face significant job loss if there is a rationalization and a common combining of the banks. We have to ensure that there is no increase in service charges and in consumer costs to pay for this merger.

We have to be sure in pursuit of being a global competitor so that like in the mid 80s and earlier 80s where the banks made bad investments down in South America and we, Canadians, had to pick up the price tag that we do not ever repeat that. So, Mr. Speaker, this, I see, is a very critical issue that will affect all northerners and a lot of individual communities. As I indicated, I will be approaching the Premier to, in fact, act on our behalf and write to the Prime Minister. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 106-13(5): Proposed Merger Of The Bank Of Montreal And The Royal Bank

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 107-13(5): Recognition Of Igloolik Elementary School Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

Qujannamiik (Translation) Mr. Speaker, I would like to express my appreciation and to recognize the teacher of Ataguttaaluk School in Igloolik who teach the little ones from kindergarten to grades one to six. There are 254 students, starting from kindergarten classes in the morning and again separately in the afternoon. These teachers work very hard including some of the instructors who are not fully qualified as teachers but do work in their capacity as teachers' aides. There are three classroom assistants as well.

They also have three Inuktitut language instructors who teach full-time in the lower grades and as separate subjects by grade six. I will name these teachers, Mary Kunuk, Eunice Uyarak, Susan Tulugardjuk, Mary Ungalaq, Amilia Angiler, Kanguk Akitter, Louise Uyarak, Yvone Kayutak, Pat Qulaut, Joana Quassa and Jeela Padlug. Mr. Speaker, these very special teachers are Inuit and are all women. I would ask the Minister of Education to make arrangements to present a token of recognition for these women. I suggest that this be done by way of a certificate of appreciation for my constituents.

I will ask the Minister for his response at the appropriate time. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 107-13(5): Recognition Of Igloolik Elementary School Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 108-13(5): History Of The Pay Equity Issue

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have spoken in this House many times about accountable, transparency and public money spent for the public good. Sometimes when you ask questions in this form, a nerve or two will be hit, yet every Member has the right to ask questions. That is the fundamental aspect of our parliamentary system. I have listened with great interest with questions raised and statements made about the pay equity issue. It would seem that almost a revisionist history of events has taken place. Firstly, pay equity is the question, simply, of equal pay for work of equal value as stated by Mr.

Todd . It is nothing more or less. The GNWT was asked almost ten years ago now, to make good on this principle. However, that

Legislative Assembly and subsequent Assemblies including this one argued it in the courts. We continued to appeal until finally last year we were forced by the last court decision to sit down with the UNW and negotiate a settlement. Increasingly in this House we have heard that the hoped negotiated settlement will be affordable and consistent with our availability to pay the outstanding amount owed.

Mr. Speaker, the majority of staff and employees who are affected by this case are administration and clerical positions. Because of the GNWT's precarious financial situation the Finance Minister has been guarding his comments, like yesterday on this fact. Mr. Speaker, in a consensus type of government where the boundaries between Cabinet and the Ordinary Members are not well defined sometimes it is difficult to be critical without the feeling of being personal. I find that everyday, Mr. Speaker, but questions must be asked; questions must be raised and questions must be spoken or the government would be a sham.

I did not come here to rubber stamp policies or proposals, nor do I support the government's line on pay equity. Hopefully, our government will not try in negotiations to hold the hammer of pay equity, and its cost with the wage and benefits negotiations with our employees. I do not know how much we have to pay. All I know is we have to pay the pay equity bill, that has dragged on for almost ten years. At the end of the day with the lack of available information, we can only hope that both sides, Mr. Speaker, both sides will do the right thing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 108-13(5): History Of The Pay Equity Issue

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca

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Member's Statement 109-13(5): Passing Of Johnny Providence

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, the community of Kakisa put to rest a very loving and respected elder, Johnny Providence. Johnny Providence, who was also known as Uncle Ben, was born on February 22, 1916, in Meander River, Alberta, and passed away on January 21, 1998 in Edmonton. Johnny was the husband of Monique Simba Providence and the father of Andrew Providence. Many people from all over the north and some from Alberta came to Kakisa yesterday to pay their last respects to this kind and wise man. I understand that the hall where the service was held was filled to capacity.

The hallways were also filled and some people had to stand outside as they came to say a final farewell to Johnny Providence. Mr. Speaker, the people of Kakisa should be commended for their efforts on this day and their help with the many people who travelled to this traditional community. A special thanks to Father Joseph Daley, who travelled from Fort Simpson, to conduct the service. We send our deepest and sincerest sympathies to Monique and Andrew Providence and to the people of Kakisa for the loss they have suffered. Mr. Speaker, Johnny was 81 years old at the time that he passed away. Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

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Member's Statement 109-13(5): Passing Of Johnny Providence

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 110-13(5): Lobbying Effort For Nunavut Act Amendments

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik (Translation) Thank you, I will be speaking in Inuktitut. Mr. Speaker, after the meetings with federal Minister, Jane Stewart, at Iqaluit last month, several topics were discussed. As most Members of this House and the Nunavut public know, the federal government has to bring amendments to the Nunavut Act to the House of Commons in Ottawa. Mr. Speaker, there have been some concerns with the amendments and the reaction of federal MPs. By being proactive we could meet with them to discuss these issues and help with the passage of the amendments in the Commons and Senate.

Some constituents and Nunavut residents have asked me about this, and I have discussed it with other Members and other Nunavut Caucus Members. All three parties want Nunavut to be a success and be discussed at the federal level in a positive light. Proactive lobbying could help take this place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 110-13(5): Lobbying Effort For Nunavut Act Amendments

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 111-13(5): Diand's Northern Development Responsibilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I spoke about the concern I have with the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. Yesterday, also the Premier also spoke about the need for us here in the territories to control our resources. Mr. Erasmus spoke on it earlier. The Northern Accord is becoming a Holy Grail, Mr. Speaker, and we have been chasing it for years and still have not found it. What is left is dependent upon the federal government to act in our best interests on issues related to mines and resources. Right now that is not happening.

We need DIAND Minister Stewart to focus on the economic development of the Northwest Territories and deal with the plight of our gold mines and our need for value-added industries from the diamond mines.

We, here, in the western Arctic have seen the Minister exactly twice since she was appointed. Once for a quick tour through all of the west and last week for a one-day whirlwind visit to Yellowknife. There is no doubt Minister Stewart has a great commitment to the aboriginal community. I agree that is needed. From the feedback I get, she does a great job in that area.

I can appreciate that the Indian Affairs side of her portfolio consumes a great deal of her time and attention, but by not spending time tackling the issues such as mining, resources and economic development she ends up displaying a parochial, quote, "we know best what's for you," that irritates those of us who were refused an audience with her. If Minister Stewart does not have the time to work with us to develop sustainable industries, then it is time for DIAND to be split with the northern development part of the portfolio to be made into its own department.

After all, that was the private sentiment of former DIAND Minister Ron Irwin, who felt the Indian Affairs side of the portfolio was overwhelming. I think we, in the west, deserve a great deal of the Minister's time and attention especially at this time in our economic difficulties. If Minister Stewart is not prepared to give us that time and attention, Ottawa should give us someone who will. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Member's Statement 112-13(5): Keewatin Regional Health Board Difficulties

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 372

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. As for my constituents of Aivilik, I am very thankful today that the Minister of Health and Social Services has been dealing with these heavy issues within our region. He recently made a Minister's statement regarding the issues that he has been dealing with and I wish to thank the previous Keewatin Regional Health Board members who have worked so hard to keep the board going.

Although there has been a lot of problems that have been discussed within the region, I know about the problems that have been raised on the local radio stations and newspapers. They seem to have been criticizing the Minister too heavily and it made the people of the Keewatin region look inadequate and I apologize for this situation. I just wanted to thank the Minister today and I welcome his statements this afternoon.

I also have been receiving similar calls regarding the incident in Rankin Inlet. I guess the hamlet council in Rankin Inlet was chaired by Louis Pilakapsi and Mr. Pilakapsi indicated that their agenda was made perfectly clear. He indicated that he did not want the Minister to step down, he just wanted to rectify the problems that were occurring within the region. Through the local radio, CBC Radio and newspaper; the people just wanted to bring out their concerns and problems. They were just talking about problems and not getting any solutions to the problems. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 113-13(5): Lease Commitments Beyond Division

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 372

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is in regard to the spending of this government and also previous governments, keeping in mind the deficit in which we found ourselves. We have taken drastic measures to recoup and finally get out of. It has taken a lot of tough decisions and a lot of cuts, especially in the smaller communities, in the delivery of programs and services. I think we have to keep in mind how we ended up in that situation, especially in light of expenditures of the previous governments and the deficit which we came into this government.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today in regard to a question that has been on my mind and questions that I have raised in this House in regard to expenditures of the government in putting ourselves in a position of making long-term commitments and not having the adequate resources in the future to pay for these commitments. I speak, Mr. Speaker, in regard to the regional superintendents having the ability to sign long-term agreements in way of leases and also with regard to how these lease arrangements are made.

Yesterday, we heard from the Minister, he made a comment that the regional superintendent made a verbal agreement in August, that a letter of understanding was signed in August and the lease was in place in September. That is fast work in regard to how an individual was able to acquire a written lease within two months, with this government with no review whatsoever on the expenditure of this government and the long-term financial commitments we are making for the new governments in the west and the east after division.

Mr. Speaker, I believe, we have a Financial Administration Act which was supposed to control those types of expenditures and a regime put in place to ensure that adequate spending is done so we do not find ourselves back in the situation we were when we got here in regard to the deficit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 372

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize my old ski coach, Ms. Pat Thomas, up there in the gallery, who is there every day of the week and I would like to thank Pat for her commitment and having the patience for sitting here, day in and day out. Thank you, Pat.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 372

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

We should also recognize the patience, diligence and perseverance of Mr. Ben McDonald from the UNW, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly, to you both. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 121-13(5): Navigation Aids At Iqaluit Airport

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 372

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday in questioning the Minister of Transportation concerning a problem with the navigation aids in Iqaluit, the Minister said that navigation aids rest with NAV Canada, so I would like to follow up with some questions on this matter. Are the

navigation aids at Iqaluit airport the responsibility of NAV Canada? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 373

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that it is their responsibility. The Department of Transportation contacted the NAV Canada regional office to ensure that repairs are made. Therefore, I understand that based on that it is the responsibility of NAV Canada to make sure that the navigational aids are operational and in good order. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Question 121-13(5): Navigation Aids At Iqaluit Airport

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 373

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what role does our government Department of Transportation have in responding to problems that navigational aids are redundant, broken or not working properly? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 373

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the role of the Department of Transportation on this particular occasion in Iqaluit is that as soon as we are aware that this particular navigational aid was not working properly, we contacted NAV Canada to make sure that they were aware of the problem and that there would be a speedy solution to correct the problem. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 373

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is quite a bit of concern in my community with the airlines, with constituents. I have received more phone calls concerning the problems with the navigational system and the take off and landing approaches of airplanes. I wonder, will the Minister commit to again, reiterating our concerns with NAV Canada to try to get the work done as expediently as possible because yesterday NAV Canada indicated they cannot get at it for a week, two weeks or whatever. It has been going on for about two weeks. Soon it will be almost a month.

So, I would ask the Minister will he expediently address this concern again with NAV Canada and have this problem rectified? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 373

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department has been in contact with NAV Canada on Monday as well as again today to try to get them to repair and test this navigational aid. We were told today that the earliest that they will be able to do the testing, I understand that they have an aircraft that is equipped with this testing equipment that will be available as early as next week. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 122-13(5): Official Recognition Of Inuit Teachers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 373

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, further to my Member's statement earlier, I suggested that the Inuit teachers in my community be given a certificate of appreciation or a plaque of honourable mention for the work that they have been carrying out for a long time. Would the Minister consider making arrangements to have official recognition made publicly to the teachers of the Ataguttaaluk School in Igloolik for their dedication to their jobs as instructors of our children by presenting them with a token of appreciation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 373

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Page 373

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, all teachers do important work with our young people and deserve recognition. The government recognizes dedication to service with certificates after five, ten, fifteen years and so on. The Member is suggesting that there be a recognition program outside of that. There may be room for the DEA or the divisional education council to consider their own recognition program. Mr. Speaker, I would be prepared to work with the Member to perhaps cooperatively send a letter to the teachers he has mentioned in his statement thanking them for their service. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 123-13(5): Royal And Montreal Bank Merger

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 373

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Premier and it is in regard to the proposed merger of the Royal Bank and the Bank of Montreal. I copied the Premier on a letter I sent to the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew outlining the concerns that may effect all northerners, such as there should be no closure of either the Royal Bank or the Bank of Montreal in communities where there is only one bank. We have to be concerned about the impact on communities where, in fact, there are two existing banks and the concern about any increase in the service costs

and charges to northerners. Would the Premier commit to writing to the Prime Minister to pass on our concerns early, so he is aware, as a special committee undertakes review of the concerns of northerners, that we want to make sure that there is not a negative impact? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Page 374

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Prime Minister of Canada has Paul Martin as his Finance Minister , as lead Minister, on this whole issue of bank mergers between the Royal Bank and the Bank of Montreal. I have already instructed the Finance Minister , John Todd , to write to Paul Martin on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories to raise a concern for northerners on the concern that northerners do have with this proposed merger. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Premier for his quick response to this very important issue. Would he also undertake to keep us informed if there are any developments that will have an impact on our constituents? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will request the Finance Minister to keep all Members of the Legislative Assembly regularly briefed on this issue as the issue develops. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 124-13(5): Controls On GNWT Lease Arrangements

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 374

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . It is in regard to my opening statement, in regard to keep a toll on expenditures of this government, in light of the issue I was talking about where there is a lease with a new company made in a matter of two months in which there was a verbal agreement in August, then there is a letter of understanding signed in August and there was an eight-year lease for $9.5 million signed in September.

Was there a review process in place in looking at such an arrangement in regard to the Finance Minister and the FMBS and the role it plays in controlling the financial expenditures of this government? Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, what controls are in place to ensure that these expenditures are controlled in regard to the public purse?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 374

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 374

John Todd

Keewatin Central

I will try to answer the question, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that the arrangement that was made meets all the guidelines as set by this government and the authorities designated to deputy ministers. In fact, upon reading the file there was significant savings to this government over the long-term with respect to the extension of this lease. Whatever took place in the process was in accordance with the rules, policies and regulations of this government.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 374

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the ability of the deputy minister to sign long-term leases, in this case it was an eight-year extension to a new owner, I would like to mention and the cost was $9.5 million. Without the involvement of the FMBS in such matters, what other type of large expenditures are being made to date by other deputy ministers without some control mechanism in place?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I said there was a set of rules and regulations and spending authorities that deputy ministers, superintendents, economic development officers, clerks and everybody else has in this government. There is no requirement, in this particular case, for the FMB approval. This was within the rules and regulations and spending authority of that particular deputy and as such, he acted accordingly, put into place a system that saved this government over the long-term money and we applaud him for it.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to this case, I believe we are talking about a new owner. Which in my mind, we are talking about a new lease arrangement with a new company. I would like to ask the Minister in regard to the Financial Administration Act, which basically has been put in place by this government, and in light of the deficit situation we find ourselves in, I would like to ask in this case, was the

Financial Administration Act breached in any way by the expenditures of the deputy minister, without having it reviewed by the FMBS or Cabinet on this particular matter?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, the short answer, there was no breach of the Financial Administration Act. The reality is that there was an extension of an existing contractor, who was from the south. My understanding after that, some northerners purchased the building. There was no breach of any administration act that I am aware of. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to this matter, was the decision to extend the lease made before or after the interest was expressed by the current new owner?

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that Mr. Antoine , later on today will be tabling a full chronology of the events that led to this situation that Mr. Krutko is talking about. It may be prudent at this time for him to wait until such time as that is tabled and he will see clearly, the events that took place. I am fairly confident it will answer all the questions he has raised, either today or in the future. Thank you.

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Page 375

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, my colleague Mr. Rabesca spoke on the frustrations of the shortcomings in the current municipal formula financing and how it detrimentally affects the community of Rae-Edzo. My question will be for the Minister of MACA . Several months ago the hamlet produced a report that showed Rae-Edzo was one of the lowest funded non-tax based municipalities. Over the past several months efforts have been made by members of that community along with Mr. Rabesca to resolve this situation.

Apparently, they were told just recently that the work will not be completed until September or October of this year. However, they were reassured by the Minister earlier that it could be resolved fairly quickly. Could the Minister tell us why this item is now being delayed until September or October?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Member representing the community of Rae-Edzo? I would like to thank the community of Rae-Edzo for the tour they gave me and also the hospitality they showed me. The MLA of Rae-Edzo has been working very hard with my department. His executive assistant has been coming to my office to deal with this issue. I have directed my department to deal with the funding provision for the Rae-Edzo community. We are dealing with the Member's concerns from yesterday's statements. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell us if this will not be addressed by her with her officials in the next several days, if she can meet with them to try and resolve this situation? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson .

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Aivilik

Yes. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Rabesca .

--Applause

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Question 126-13(5): Municipal Funding For Rae-edzo

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank my honourable colleague for speaking on behalf of my community.

--Applause

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the same Minister regarding the same question that I had asked yesterday. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I gave a Member's statement regarding the frustration of myself and the community of Rae-Edzo for delay tactics that have taken place on the part of MACA over the lack of funding Rae-Edzo is experiencing. Mr. Speaker, today I went to direct my question to the honourable Minister of MACA , Ms. Thompson .

It is my understanding that this morning the mayor of Rae-Edzo faxed a letter to you requesting the issue be dealt with and for you to reply prior to the Department of MACA's budget review during the committee of the whole. My question to the Minister is, have you received or reviewed this letter? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would to thank the Member for the cooperation we get from him. He is representing his community very well. He always lets us know what the matter is in his community.

--Applause

He is one of the few Members in this House that I truly like to work with.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 127-13(5): Resolute Bay Request For Arena

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of MACA . When she was visiting the community of Resolute Bay we were requesting an arena facility in our community. I would like an update as to what has been happening with this request? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Qujannamiik. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This request was presented to me by the Member. He has worked with the community regarding the request. They were requesting a canvas type arena. My officials are looking into finding a place or a tent type of facility for the community. I have met with the people of Resolute Bay regarding this, a part of our plans that we have for the future. We are working with the community. If they would like more information and an update, they are most welcome to get hold of our officials in Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if, perhaps, the Minister of MACA could plan to have this done as soon as possible? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The smaller communities are not able to get the larger facilities, so we try to look for ways to find a smaller facility. I will be working with my officials and I will be meeting with my staff as to how we could get this thing going. I will be doing that this week. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 128-13(5): Status Of Digital Communications Network

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 376

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the digital communications highway is a vital link to our future and so are the small businesses including the local service providers. Projects like the proposed digital communications network should not compromise small businesses that are the true driving force of our community. My question is to the Minister of FMBS. When can we expect to receive the proof of concept for the Ardicom system? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the proof of concept has been concluded and Ardicom is moving on, getting on with the job and trying to put the systems in place in accordance with the

schedule we set with them. It would be fair to say there was a little bit of a delay and I believe, it was somewhere around six to eight weeks behind. I am fairly confident we can move forward aggressively and have most of the communities up and running by April 1, 1999. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is, when can we expect to receive a proof of concept? Does the government have this at this time?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I believe we already have that, Mr. Speaker. As the anchor tenant if you want, with respect to Ardicom's contract, I believe that has now been completed. I will double check with Mr. Voytilla later on today, but my understanding from discussions with NorthwesTel late last week and others is that we are well underway now. We are optimistic this territorial-wide, integrated digital communication system will bring about the benefits and rewards we are all expecting in the coming years. When my friends, plus the other side, send me hand signals indicating their support, of course, for this significant initiative, and I applaud them for it. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister considered how we are going to integrate the continued use of a local service providers in the communities?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is there have been two meetings, I believe, one or two meetings with the Internet providers at the community level in an effort to try to find some integration of their services with this larger territorial-wide integrated digital communication system. In talking to Mr. Voytilla the other day, I understand there is another meeting coming forward in the coming weeks. Hopefully, at that time we will be able to bring some finality to this issue and try to address some of the concerns the smaller community-based operators are concerned about. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister please confirm for us then, that this new Ardicom digital communication network will not be competing with or replacing the local private Internet providers in the communities?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I am not in a position to say that. All I know is, the position of this government is to put in a territorial-wide integrated digital communication system that is going to provide things like distance health, distance education and the state of the art communication system to each of those communities. I cannot say today whether they will compete or not. What I will say is, there is a determined effort made by my department and by the Ardicom group to find some room and some integration for the local based Internet providers. Thank you.

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Question 129-13(5): Transfer Of GNWT Employees To Nunavut

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 377

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . It has to do with a CBC report I heard this morning. It was a report on discussions that took place in the House yesterday. I think the point the reporter was trying to make got lost and it has raised a bit of concern in my community. I would ask the Minister of Finance if he could add some clarity to it? It is regarding the number of positions that may transfer to Nunavut over the next year period. So, if the Minister of Finance would give some clarity as to what plans are in place right now and to the limited number of people that may go to Nunavut over the next year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well I think it is important, given the current environment within Yellowknife, which has been hardest hit as we all know not only with cuts from this government, but in terms of the current gold crisis, that when we make comments about who is leaving and who is not leaving, that we do it with a certain amount of care. The numbers quoted yesterday by Mr. Ootes perhaps, I suspect, were taken from our transition plan which has not been accepted to this date by the federal government or the Interim Commissioners' office.

We are currently analyzing the Interim Commissioner's office plan as we speak. This discussion is going on today. One, of course, of the key issues is the impact on jobs and when and how the jobs are going to be moved out of Yellowknife.

As much as possible, once we come to a consensus as to what is going to be the staged development of the transfer of responsibilities, once we come to that agreement, we are going to sit down with the staff and work out with them, where is possible, the impact of the reductions to try to accommodate some of that through attrition, try to streamline some of the people who were already here who may not want to move to the new jobs into vacant existing jobs if they are here in Yellowknife.

So, there will be a series of things done in a caring and compassionate way but we are not in a position today to say this amount of jobs are going to go at this date because we have not come to a consensus yet on the staged fronts of responsibilities from this government to the new government. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 378

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From what the Minister pointed out, is it fair to assume that probably some government or some agency will have to provide administrative services to the Nunavut Government. He has indicated he does not know the number of people who will be transferred over. Is it safe to assume that a smaller amount of people would transfer to Nunavut in the next year that had previously been planned? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Todd .

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Page 378

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, as I said, I am not trying to be evasive. I am just trying to be as accurate as I can. Again, I want to go back. To make statements about x amount of jobs that are going to go I think is inaccurate. We do not know at this stage of the game what the final conclusion will be as to the transition plan that all parties can agree to. We are still working as fast as we can on that. In some ways I wish we had it. We tabled a transition plan in October of 1997. I have not had a single response from any of the departments from any of the other parties. To say I am disappointed is the understatement of the year.

What we are now doing is analyzing the Interim Commissioner's report. We have got to reach consensus with all parties with what we think we can do over the next twelve months and what the jobs that will be necessary, the new jobs that will be necessary that were from Yellowknife over to the eastern Arctic. There will be some. There is no doubt about that. There will be, in my opinion for what it is worth, no sort of massive transfer of staff on April 1, 1999.

I am prepared, once we have concluded an agreement by the parties as to what is going to happen, who is going to go and when, to not only provide that to all Members of the House, we have the responsibility and an obligation to provide that to our staff. We are going to work with the staff to try to accommodate, where possible, the needs of those who do not wish to transfer to Nunavut with their jobs, through attrition and through other jobs and vacancies that may occur here in Yellowknife and elsewhere. There will be a considered effort to minimize the disruption to our staff. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 130-13(5): Recruitment Plan For Health Professionals

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 378

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services and it relates to the Minister's statement regarding the status report on the situation in the Keewatin.

The Minister indicated that he would have a plan available so that he could table it in this House by the end of the February for the retention, recruitment of doctors, nurses and medical staff. My question to the Minister is, will the Minister commit to have this plan tabled in the House prior to the closing of this session, so that Members will have the opportunity to review and discuss it in the House?

The reason I bring this up, Mr. Speaker, is that it is possible that this House may close prior to the end of February. I would not want to see the report go on the floor the last day of the session. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated, I made the commitment to try to have it tabled before the end of February. I will try my best. As soon as it is ready for debate and discussion, and approved by my Cabinet colleagues, I will table it. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister speaks of the possible long-term arrangements and the study that would take place to see what our needs are. Can the Minister tell me what plans or what arrangements have been made for the immediate situation regarding health care in the Keewatin as it relates to the lack of doctors and nurses and so on?

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in respect to the immediate situation, it is my understanding that there are sufficient health care professionals and access to physician services and specialist services that would be available to service the people in the Keewatin. Thank you.

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Question 131-13(5): Availability Of Staff Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 378

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past few months in the House and in previous Assemblies we have spoken about this concern about the sell-off of staff

housing. Because of the increased student enrolments, different divisional boards of education have to hire new teachers. Because we have sold off these houses, there are not the proper accommodations available. So, I am wondering if the Minister in charge of staff housing could inform us of what kind of plans he has put in place to alleviate this nearing crisis situation in staff housing with the school boards and teachers in some of our regions in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With all due respect to my colleague that is a fairly generic question. I wonder if he can be very specific as to the communities and as to where the shortage will be? I will be only too happy to respond to him accordingly. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not want to go into specifics on which community in particular because there are concerns politically in those small communities where people do not have housing and when you have a shortage of social housing and when you are talking about staff housing. I think the Member is fully aware of the concern. I understand that there might have been something on the news today about a concern in the Kitikmeot region. I heard the same concern in the Baffin region.

I am asking the Minister now, what he has done to help this serious situation in regard to the shortage of staff housing, not only for our teachers, but also, for our nursing professionals and our medical professionals who, indeed, have brought this up before. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, Mr. Speaker, I am not trying to be evasive but first of all I do not respond to the news. Secondly, as I said, if I can get specifics as to what my honourable colleague is talking about, I would be only too happy to respond. We respond on a day-to-day basis, and a week-to- week basis and a month-to-month basis on shortage of housing. If there is a shortage of housing out there and my honourable colleague is specific, we will answer as quickly as we can, but I think we are dealing with it on a day-to-day basis. I have not heard anybody talk about a major crisis. But if there is, I will be only too happy to handle it. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think it is a concern and it has come up in this House many times. Then, my supplementary question to the Minister of Finance , the Minister in charge of staff housing, would he address the concerns of the shortage of housing in our communities here in the Northwest Territories if he received a letter from the president of the NWTTA, the president of the UNW, other interested groups, boards of education, who have continually, I understand, written? I have seen some letters to the effect of the problems with staffing in our communities. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I want to assure my honourable colleague that where there is a specific problem we will deal with it in a specific way. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the specific response to a specific way that a specific Minister just mentioned, I would also like to specify, for my final supplementary question, that when he addresses these concerns in the communities as outlined by the boards of education, and by the health boards, et cetera that maybe he would commit to informing the Members of this House so that we will also be specifically informed of what actions have been taken by the Minister? Thank you.

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