Debates of Feb. 20th, 1998

This is page numbers 959 - 988 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was housing .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Sahtu Health Services

Minister Absent From The House

Rents Charged For Social Housing

GNWT Job Evaluation System

Regional Health Care Standards

Keewatin Health Services Agreement

Fort Resolution Community Television Channel

Literacy Action Day

Staffing Assistance For Elders Organizations

Updates On Former Members Of The House

Appreciation For Assistance Offered In A Time Of Need

Income Tax Filing Assistance

Front Page Newspaper Coverage

Economic Initiatives At The Iqaluit Airport

Yellowknife Ski Club Anniversary

Support For Government Stance On The Diamond Industry

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Assistance In Filing Tax Returns

Confirmation Of Rent Scale Moratorium

Details Of New Job Evaluation System

Complaints Re: Quality Of Inuvik Health Care

Status Of Vacant Positions In Rwed

Informing Members Of Progress In Diamond Developments

Agreement On Job Evaluation System

Health Services Agreement In Principle

Status Of Hay Job Evaluation System

Rcmp Services In Inuvik

Reallocation Of Fire Suppression Surplus

Status Of Nunavut Act Amendments

Implementation Of

Article 24

Bill 9 Loan Authorization Act 1998-99

Bill 12 Write-off Of Debts Act, 1997-98

Bill 13 Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1997-98

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Bill 9 Loan Authorization Act 1998-99

Bill 12 Write-off Of Debts Act, 1997-98

Bill 13 Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1997-98

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 959

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 69-13(5): Sahtu Health Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there has been recently, as Members of this House are aware, a lot of confusion surrounding the issue of access to health services for residents of the Sahtu. I rise today to provide some clarity of this matter. I will explain the facts and my position.

First of all, Mr. Speaker, I will deal with the matter of the Cabinet Directive that has been the subject of some discussion in this House. Let me be very clear, matters affecting the location of service delivery are the sole responsibility of the Minister of Health and Social Services . I intend to accept that responsibility and be held accountable for it. I cannot speak to why the previous Minister, in the previous government, choose to bring the matter of health services in the Sahtu before Cabinet. That was a decision made in different times. However, I can assure you, Mr.

Speaker, that I will make determinations, as necessary, on the best fit for service delivery in the health and social service system. I will make those determinations on the basis of facts, on the basis of best value for money, and after appropriate consultation with the people affected. I will make those determinations so that current and future generations of residents will have access to quality care, shared equitably and resources in a sustainable way.

I have had many conversations with the chair of the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Service Board. On February 6th, I wrote to her to confirm my position on the matter of provision of health services. All Sahtu communities and the Sahtu leadership were copied on my letter. I am, therefore, Mr. Speaker surprised that confusion remains. In that letter, I confirmed my support for the board's proposal to provide a limited element of choice to people from the Sahtu, particularly as it relates to the travel of elders who may have family in Inuvik.

I also informed the chair that there had recently been a series of complaints from the Sahtu, with people alleging that the board is, in fact, going much further than offering limited choice. I reiterated my expectations about how changes need to be advanced. I told the board that I considered the Cabinet decision of April, 1995, to be essentially in effect, except for the limited element of choice just mentioned.

I suggested to the board that given the considerable change that has occurred in the health and social service system since 1995, I fully expect that the board would continue to search for ways of meeting the needs of Sahtu residents efficiently and effectively. I directed the board to precede its decisions about changes with extensive discussion with the communities served, and to follow up the consultation with a comprehensive cost/benefit analysis.

As Members know, the Department of Health and Social Services has made considerable investment in the Stanton system, and we will need to test the impact on that system of any change in the service relationship between the Inuvik and Stanton regions.

Mr. Speaker, it has been a tough two and a half years, since we came into office, faced with tough problems, less money, a population under terrific social pressure and a will to make the decisions we need to make in this day and age. We have asked board trustees to wrestle with difficult issues and make tough decisions when the full range of options available to them has not been that palatable. With all that, Mr. Speaker, we need to extend our support, guidance and appreciation for their effort and commitment.

Mr. Speaker, our boards and their volunteer trustees represent a key linkage between the caregivers that work for the board and the residents and communities they serve. I will continue to support their operations, to insist on their accountability to the residents they serve and to me as Minister. It is unfortunate that the boards often receive negative coverage of their attempts to deal with difficult situations. Yet when they are doing good thing, operating effectively and efficiently we hear very little about them.

I will ensure that we continue to strengthen the support we provide to boards, and hope that, on occasion, Members of this House will see fit to join me in celebrating their frequent successes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 69-13(5): Sahtu Health Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 959

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 70-13(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have an

emergency statement that is not really an emergency, Mr. Speaker, it was not filed on time according to the rules of the House. My apologies to you Mr. Speaker, as well as the Members of the House. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable James Antoine will be absent from the House today to attend a meeting on transportation and aboriginal issues with Mr. Krutko in Fort McPherson. I apologize once again to the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 70-13(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 290-13(5): Rents Charged For Social Housing

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in regard to the statement the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation made yesterday. I do appreciate the fact that he indicated that social housing rent increases will no longer be increased in the Nunavut area before division. I appreciated the fact that there will be no rent increases, however, in my riding the housing managers in the local communities received a letter stating that as of June 1, 1998, there will be a 90 percent increase of social housing rents.

The Minister stated yesterday that this will stay at 60 percent and will no longer increase to 90 percent. This was going to be put in effect June, 1998. I will be asking the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation a question regarding this matter and ask him to clarify this situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 290-13(5): Rents Charged For Social Housing

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 291-13(5): GNWT Job Evaluation System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to make some comments today about the new job evaluation system that the government has been working on. It is a long time in the works and it is meant to address a number of outstanding issues. Of course it is going to affect the people who work for the government, our employees, who everybody said is our most important resource.

I am concerned Mr. Speaker, based on our history as an Assembly, we have yet to show that we can communicate adequately and thoroughly with our employees. I am hearing some concern and consternation from government employees about this new system. They have apparently been given their classifications, but there is no dollar value figure attached to them. There is a lot of concern that, in fact, there maybe some drop in pay and that there will be confusion between departments that some positions have not been adequately classified.

It is going to be critical for this government to ensure that this new evaluation system is, in fact, implemented in such a way to minimize employee concern and make sure we communicate effectively with the staff. In question period, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister for FMBS some very specific questions on this new system to try to put some of these concerns at rest. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 291-13(5): GNWT Job Evaluation System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland

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Member's Statement 292-13(5): Regional Health Care Standards

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to start by sending greetings back to my wife and children.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, the issue of health care has been brought up a number of times within this forum when it comes to the quality of health care and the standards that are used by the different health boards throughout the territories. We have had some heated debate on standards and who sets them and what rules have to be followed. I would like to make mention that I believe that the Inuvik Health Board has been doing the best they can with what they have available.

My concerns are the standards that are set will be followed by all health boards, and once they are set and established, they will be followed and you will not have standards set for each different region where you could have doctors and nurses not having to do the same type of work. Once it is clarified as to the direction we will be heading in, all health boards will be made to follow the same standards that are set before them. We need to clarify the roles of health boards and the roles they play right now with the communities, especially when we are coming up to division.

We need to make things clear for all the residents so they understand that they can receive quality health care from any region within the territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 292-13(5): Regional Health Care Standards

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien . Welcome back.

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Member's Statement 293-13(5): Keewatin Health Services Agreement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to be back in the House again. Mr. Speaker, I was pleased to hear that the acting chair of the Keewatin Regional Health Board announced that the Keewatin Regional Health Board and the University of Manitoba reached an agreement in principle on the provision of health services in the Keewatin region. Under this interim agreement, the University of Manitoba will provide services to the Keewatin residence in the following areas; physician services, travel clinics and specialist services. Mr.

Speaker, I believe this is a first step in re-establishing medical services and also trust back in the system that the people in the Keewatin were looking for, expecting and anticipating. I will have questions for the Minister later on today on this issue. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 293-13(5): Keewatin Health Services Agreement

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 294-13(5): Fort Resolution Community Television Channel

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last night we

had the pleasure of going down to Fort Resolution to open a new community television channel. It is a community television channel by NorthwesTel Cable and the elders' committee in Fort Resolution worked long and hard to bring this channel on stream. The chairman, Pete Fraser, as well as the volunteers in Fort Resolution who worked hard to make sure that the people of Fort Resolution have a community channel is Leon Beaulieu, Catherine Wishey, Dottie Mandeville and Faith Beaulieu. These people put in many, many hours on behalf of the community.

All the good people of Fort Resolution showed up last night to welcome our honoured guests, the Honourable Kelvin Ng , the Honourable Charles Dent and our good friend Levi Barnabas from the High Arctic who came with us to enjoy a feast of caribou stew and bannock. Everybody had a great and an enjoyable time visiting with each other. It was a good evening and we had promised our Chief in Fort Resolution last night, Don Balsillie, that I would wear this in the House today, so I am wearing it right now for Fort Resolution Chief Don Balsillie and the people in Fort Resolution.

--Applause

Later on today, Mr. Speaker, myself, Charles Dent , Kelvin Ng and Levi Barnabas will have a request in to our television cameras to get a picture of all of us with our SJL sweatshirts on and send a video back to Fort Resolution so they can play it to all the community on their new community access channel. I wish Fort Resolution the best of luck with their access channel. I know communication is important in our community and this access channel at the community level will help bring the community together. Once again, Fort Resolution has made me proud to represent them.

I am very proud of what they did for my colleagues last night and keep up the good work and keep working together. Mahsi cho.

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Member's Statement 294-13(5): Fort Resolution Community Television Channel

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 295-13(5): Literacy Action Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

--Applause

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Member's Statement 295-13(5): Literacy Action Day

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 296-13(5): Staffing Assistance For Elders Organizations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will speak in Inuktitut. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to speak on the issue of elders' organizations. The elders' organizations do not have certain staff, such as secretaries. They do have funding and a lot of them do not have secretaries to report how they use their funding. I feel that the elders should have this support staff to make sure that what they are doing is reported.

The elders are very important to us and now that they are starting to do a lot of things, such as elders' circles in the communities and through the legal system, we would like to provide support staff for the elders in the communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 297-13(5): Updates On Former Members Of The House

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 962

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I recall, when I ran for MLA, thinking before that it probably is not that much of a stressful job. I now know better. I now read more before 10:00 in the morning than I used to read every week. There are meetings before Session, after Session, at night, on weekends. Outside groups want your time and support for their issues. Some of the longer term Members, their children grow up before their eyes and they do not even notice. My children have sometimes mentioned to me that they are thinking of calling me Uncle Seamus instead of Dad.

Politics is a stressful life, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank all those MLAs who ran before and served the people of the Northwest Territories. What happened to the Members of the 12th Assembly? Where are they now? Many of the former Members are still working hard for the people in their own home communities.

Henry Zoe is the executive director for the Dogrib Treaty 11; the former Premier , Nellie Cournoyea is the chairperson and chief executive officer of the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation; Richard Nerysoo is the president of the Gwich'in Tribal Council; Dennis Patterson is the chairperson of the Baffin Regional Health Board; Fred Koe is the deputy minister of Aboriginal Affairs; and Tony Whitford is our Sergeant-at-Arms, as well as being the executive assistant to the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories.

I do not think you can say that any of these people have retired from political life. As a matter of fact, Mr. Speaker, some of them are probably a bigger pain to the government than they were when they sat in this House. The Members of the 12th Assembly who managed to get re-elected, have all been elevated to loftier positions of power. Their experience in working in the Assembly is a benefit and valuable. Some of the former MLAs are in private business.

Michael Ballantyne runs his own consulting firm, although I have not heard of him getting any major government contracts, I am sure he is lurking in the corridors of power somewhere. John Pollard, after imparting his vast knowledge of finance to my honourable colleague, Mr. Todd from Rankin Inlet, has returned home to Hay River and is looking after his own business interests, instead of those of the Northwest Territories. Jeannie Marie-Jewell is in Fort Smith living a life of leisure and contemplating her next foray into public life.

I have heard from unreliable sources that she is developing a penchant for biting M&Ms in half.

--Laughter

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 297-13(5): Updates On Former Members Of The House

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 297-13(5): Updates On Former Members Of The House

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you colleagues. Brian Lewis can be seen wandering the streets of Yellowknife deep in thought, pondering retirement and ever ready to lend his voice to debate during the times of constitutional crisis.

I now know, Mr. Speaker, of the sacrifices of these former Members made on behalf of their constituents and the people of the Northwest Territories and wish to commend them and wish them well in future endeavours. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 297-13(5): Updates On Former Members Of The House

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Member's Statement 298-13(5): Appreciation For Assistance Offered In A Time Of Need

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today is Friday and I would say that I am very, very happy to see Friday. To say that I have been busy in the last while would be a bit of an understatement. Anyway, yesterday to start off, my dog went missing. That was not so bad because I figured I could deal with that later in the day, but last night when I left work and was at the other end of town to pick up my daughter, the car broke down at a very busy intersection.

I did make it to the side of the road, but the real joy of the moment if there was anything to be found in it, was in the number of people who stopped and pulled over. Actually, one person got out of his car to come over and ask me if I was alright and if I needed help. It was a real joy to see that in a town as large as this, which we think is a enormous town for most of us Dene, there is still some real caring, compassion and neighbourly sentiment.

I went to the gas station to call a tow truck, and I was having a little bit of difficulty there and three of the customers who came in to buy things, all came over to ask if they could help me. Eventually, a young lady came along and asked if I was having any luck getting a tow truck. I said I was working on it but not having so much success. She said, give me your phone number and tell me where you want it delivered and I will take care of it for you, I know somebody who is in the business. So that is what happened. I was given a ride, we stopped and picked up my daughter, went home and had supper.

Later in the evening, I had time to get my truck going to go check on my car and sure enough, it was all taken care of as she said. It was tucked away and brought to the garage I asked to have it delivered to. I just wanted to say to all those people out there who stopped to check on me and make sure I was alright, to offer their help, I wanted to take the time today and say thank you very much. Now, I just have to find my dog. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 299-13(5): Income Tax Filing Assistance

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 300-13(5): Front Page Newspaper Coverage

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too, would like to say that today is Friday and I am also very thankful. We have been pretty busy for the past five weeks. Mr. Speaker, I had the opportunity to be on the front page in a newspaper

article this week, and I learned that by going through Internet messages on the computer. Yesterday, I started going through internet messages again, just to find out whether I still remain to be on the front page for this week. I learned that two dogs have taken away my front page in the news

article and Mr. Speaker, I hope those two dogs are not Mr. Kakfwi 's dogs. Thank you.

--Laughter/Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 301-13(5): Economic Initiatives At The Iqaluit Airport

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past two years, originating with the Iqaluit Trade and Promotion Office, I have been involved in trying to create some new economic activities at the Iqaluit airport. One of these initiatives included the opportunity of cold-weather testing. The idea of a cold-weather testing facility came about because of the usage of the Iqaluit airport for cold-weather testing by different major airlines. As an example, the cold-weather testing of an airbus 340, owned by Air France. That alone, Mr. Speaker, significantly dropped approximately $750,000 into the local economy.

Yesterday, Jerry Ell of the Qikiqtaaluk Corporation and I, met with the Minister of Transportation to again revisit this proposal. Mr. Speaker, hopefully over the next few months, more developments may be made public that could result in significant revenue streams and unique opportunities for new jobs, as well as international and corporate exposure for Iqaluit. Mr. Speaker, we have to look at new economic and job creation opportunities outside of government.

This ongoing initiative may result in private business setting up a cold-weather testing facility in my community that may result in new opportunities for jobs and revenue streams. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 302-13(5): Yellowknife Ski Club Anniversary

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am most pleased today to rise to honour a Yellowknife institution. Back in February, 1968, several residents formed a downhill ski club at the old gravel pit at Jackfish Lake. At the time, there were only 5,000 residents in our capital, Yellowknife. A few people like Ruth and Bob Spence, followed organizer, Yetman Ben-Dixon on the downhill slopes. Downhilling at Jackfish remained popular for a couple of years, but eventually the city got worried that the land under the gravel pit was unstable and someone would get injured.

A deal was worked out with the commissioner, giving the ski club access to the land across the road by the ravine. Ben Dixon and his wife, originally from Norway, were teachers at Sir John Franklin High School. They brought cross-country skiis up for anyone willing to try them out and at $25 for a full set of gear, it was a lot less expensive than downhill skiing. As a result, a lot of people changed over to cross-country skiing and the downhill focus of the club started to melt away. Programs for children and racing were introduced and the club continued to grow.

In the past couple of years, the club has moved yet again to a permanent home on the far side of the ravine. A beautiful clubhouse has been built there and there are many kilometres of trails and hundreds of members are presently part of the club. The club has added a lot to this community over the years and its continued success is owed, as always, to the legions of volunteers who do all the work to keep the club going. I want to take a minute here, Mr.

Speaker, to congratulate the ski club on its 30th anniversary this weekend and thank all the volunteers over the years who have contributed to making this anniversary possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 303-13(5): Support For Government Stance On The Diamond Industry

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, I rise today because I refuse to be influenced by harsh words of others. I refuse to remain silent anymore. I rise today to applaud the government on their stance on the diamond industry.

--Applause

I applaud their insistence that valuation and sorting must occur off site and in a northern community. I applaud their stance on value-added secondary industry, that they want to work with the industry to ensure access to a constant, reliable supply of diamonds at fair market value. Mr. Speaker, it is the government's responsibility to ensure that northern residents benefit from northern resources, not just to allow people to fly in and fly out or drive in and drive out, as the case may be. Mr.

Speaker, we have heard that on average, the federal government will get annual revenues of something like almost $200 million a year, while the Government of the Northwest Territories will receive $17 million a year. That is less than we will have to spend on infrastructure and social programs in support of the mines. Mr. Speaker, I would rather see diamonds stay in the ground than receive less benefit than we spend on social programs caused by the mines. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I applaud this government's stance on the diamond industry. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great honour and pleasure to introduce a fellow who served in this House and was also sitting with me for four years and two Assemblies ago. He helped me greatly to understand the rules of this House. I was very fortunate when I got elected, I had Members who served in the House for many years who were very honourable and knew how the rules and the procedures of the House worked and how to work as an MLA. I would like to recognize the honourable Ludy Pudluk from the High Arctic.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, Ludy was a good friend of many Members of this House and he still is. Welcome to the House, Ludy.

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Page 963

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Welcome to the Assembly. Life must be good after politics. You do look younger.

--Laughter/Applause

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to introduce someone in the gallery. My

oldest son, Austin, who is visiting me for the weekend from Hay River.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a good friend of mine and a better friend to Mr. Todd , Mr. Glenn McLean, the president of the Keewatin Chamber of Commerce. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to recognize Pat Thomas. She has just recently been acclaimed to another term as the president of the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association and I know Mr. Todd will be glad to hear that.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize my senior, my teacher and my friend, Mr. Ludy Pudluk.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize the individual who used to be a Member of the Legislative Assembly with me for nine years. I am happy he is in the gallery today. I would like to recognize, Mr. Pudluk. Thank you. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize my predecessor, my colleague and resident of Resolute. He is also with the NHURD Board. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too, would like to recognize Ludy Pudluk. I used to sit beside him when I was first elected. He taught me a great deal when I was coming in as a new Member. The one thing I remember the most, I use to always rub his leg accidentally when I was throwing my garbage because I did not have a garbage can and things have never been the same since he has not been there and I have not been rubbing his leg. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 387-13(5): Assistance In Filing Tax Returns

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 964

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Premier of this government. As I stated in my Member's statement, there are times every year in the small remote communities, people require the assistance of a person who is able to do an income tax return during the time of travelling. Will the Premier of this government assure the people in the remote communities, this government will provide that assistance to ensure people fill out their income tax returns? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, not every person in the jurisdiction is able to read, write and figure out the mathematics when filling out the income tax return. Will the Minister assure this House and the people in the remote communities that the assistance by the GNWT will be there in small communities when it is required? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The whole responsibility for federal income tax lies with the federal

government. We have attempted to bring the two parties together, the small communities and the federal government to assist the people in the small communities to fill out their income tax. I cannot commit this government to take on the responsibility that is solely a federal government responsibility. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Premier knows, we do not have a presence of a federal person in every community. The Premier , as the Premier of this government, should at least try to help those people who are not able to fill out their income tax return in a timely manner. Will the Minister assure this House that he will do everything he can to ensure that people who need assistance are helped? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are committed to working with the people in the communities to work with the federal government to make sure they understand the unique conditions of the Northwest Territories and the unique conditions of all our remote communities and the people who live there. We do have people who do not read or write in our communities, so they do have a problem filling out income tax. We will make sure we communicate that to the federal government again. We will continue to work with the federal government to try to find a solution that is positive to the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 388-13(5): Confirmation Of Rent Scale Moratorium

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 965

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to NWT Housing Corporation. The Minister stated yesterday in a Minister's statement that the social housing rents will not be increased before April 1999. Some of my constituents have been notified through a letter and verbally which states that sometime in June of this summer, social housing rental increases will be in effect up to 90 percent. At the present time, they are paying at a ceiling of 60 percent. I just want to find out from the Minister, I believe what he said in his Minister's statement yesterday. Will my constituents be notified that their rental increases will not be increased? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year, we made a statement that we would like to put a moratorium on the rental increases for social housing in the communities. We had to make a plan for 1998. The increase would have been effective in June, but yesterday I made a statement that rental increases that were to be in effect in June will not be in effect. The letter that was given to the communities is no longer in effect because there will no longer be an increase. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 389-13(5): Details Of New Job Evaluation System

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 965

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister of FMBS. It is in regard to the new job evaluation and classification system. Could the Minister indicate whether, in fact, this new classification system will result in employees possibly being reclassified and losing pay? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have budgeted, based on the Hay and Associates job evaluation, an additional $9 million, to compensate female employees who were not in a pay equity situation in previous years. There is a great deal of employees who will be getting more money, not less money. Maybe some jobs are declassified and if they are, the existing people within these jobs, will be what we call, red circled. They will lose no money. Mr. Speaker, I am fairly confident today, more people will get more money and there will be some people who will remain the same as they are. Nobody will get less money.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is gratifying to hear, I am sure, to all the concerned employees. One of the issues that I raised in my Member's statement was, in fact, the need to effectively communicate the intent of this new system to allay fears and try to counter some of the concerns and apprehensions that have been occurring in the last two and a half years with the deficit reduction and the fact that we have not really been as effective in communicating with our staff as we could be. Could the Minister indicate how he intends to address that issue so we do not create any problems for us because of lack of information and communication? Thank you.

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John Todd

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are going to communicate on an individual basis with each employee. We have tried to communicate on a territorial-wide basis with respect to the pay equity issue and the fact we have allocated $9 million of new money to be added to the pay scale of most of our female employees. It will be done on an individual basis, Mr. Speaker, and I am fairly confident each member of the bureaucracy will fully understand the implications. Again, I want to repeat, anybody who is reclassified down will be what we define as red circled. That means a distinct pay level will stay.

Should they leave and we recruit again, it would be recruited again at the reduced pay level. In fact, nobody who is currently in the government will get a reduction in salary because they will either be red circled or be increased, given that we have allocated $9 million which we hope the union and ourselves can come to an agreement with, prior to April 1, 1998. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in fact, as I indicated in my Member's statement, employees were given the classification of their position, but there was, from what I understand, no accompanying clarification as to what that meant in dollar terms, the fact that red circling would occur, how it would occur, whether they would be going up or down. I would suggest that you have made the first step but there seems to be a gap already, and I am not sure if I am the only Member hearing concerns raised by employees.

Could the Minister indicate, given the fact that they have already started this process, how they can ensure the information is out there to prevent any further concern or apprehension? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Let me say clearly to our employees who are out there doing their best and working very hard. Nobody will have their salary reduced as it currently stands. Most will get increases, particularly in the female gender.

--Applause

Everybody else will be red circled. I will attempt to clarify as well as I can, what that means to each individual employee. I will check that with Mr. Voytilla, my deputy minister, and see how quickly we can do that. Again, I stress, of course, that in the $9 million we have to come to an agreement with the union on pay equity so we can pay this money to our employees. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate, as well at this time, has the union agreed with this new system, I am assuming they have been a full partner at the table or is that still yet to be done? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

We are still in negotiations, Mr. Speaker, with respect to the collective agreement et cetera. There is still some difference of opinion between ourselves and UNW as it relates to the job evaluation system and the compensation both on the retroactive side and the ongoing side. That is as much as I would be prepared to say at this time because there are sensitive negotiations underway. Hopefully, we can get them concluded and we can put some cash in the hands of our employees, conclude a collective agreement that will give people more money, not less and get on with doing the job of government. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question at this time would be directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, much discussion on the quality of health care in the NWT has taken place over the last number of weeks and months. Also, within this discussion, the quality of health care at the hospital within Inuvik has been brought into question.

As I brought up earlier with the ever changing programs we have been dealing with, with the Med-Emerg report and with the amalgamation of Health and Social Services, I would like to know if the Minister has received any official or formal complaints to do with the quality of health care provided in Inuvik? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Not that I am aware of. In fact, contrary to that, there are many times the quality of the health and social services boards operations are mentioned versus complaints, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Within the quality of health care, indeed, our facilities need to receive accreditation. When was the accreditation for the Inuvik hospital last done, by which firm and what were the results? Thank you.

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Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Inuvik regional health and social services board received a three-year accreditation and that was received from the Canadian Council on Health Facilities accreditation. That happened in February, 1997, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister inform us, were there any problems with this accreditation for the Inuvik hospital?

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Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the only issue I believe came out of it was they asked for a review of the strategic directions be undertaken by the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services Board before the end of January, 1998. The board managed to do that before the end of 1997. In addition to that, I understand the board has also implemented a continuous quality improvement program they expect to put in place this year. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for Mr. Kakfwi , the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . It is in regard to positions within the department. Several months ago there were still a number of vacant positions. The Minister at that time was addressing the issue. Can he update us on what the status of vacant positions in the department is at the moment? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Within the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development there are a little over 500 positions. At the present time, of the full-time positions within the department, about ten percent of those positions are vacant. The vacancy rate is at that level. Thank you.

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Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That has been ongoing for some time now. Could the Minister tell us what efforts are being initiated to fill these vacant positions? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there are 46 full-time positions vacant at this time. Some of these are being advertised and filled at this time. I cannot give the specifics but there is always a turnover, people transferring, promotions being made, so the vacancy rate is probably around the point where a department this size, it would always be about that level. We are trying to fill some of those positions as best we can. We have for instance, four vacancies in the Baffin, five in the Beaufort Delta, about three in the Deh Cho; in forest management there are five positions that need to be filled.

We do have quite a bit of work to do in the oil and gas sector. Out of the Yellowknife positions, there are four that need to be filled in the policy and legislation division. We have three, again all Yellowknife, and the community economic development services again in Yellowknife, four. There are 12 positions that need to be filled in those areas, an additional three in fish and wildlife. A good number of these are in the headquarters level. There are about 15 that are vacant positions currently in Yellowknife. We are trying to fill them.

In the Keewatin there are four, Kitikmeot two, in the North Slave which is the regional office here there are five full-time positions and two which need to be filled. In Iqaluit, there are five positions that need to be filled. As to what we are currently doing to each of those specific positions, I do not have the details but I would be prepared to get them and share it with the Members. Thank you.

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Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the department no doubt, a number of people have been laid off. Could the Minister tell us if layoff packages have been offered to people within the department?

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Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Jake Ootes

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final question would

be earlier the Minister mentioned they always have some positions vacant, but of the number that are vacant, 48 I believe you said, are those ones that have been consistently vacant for the last year?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am here for the whole question period. I am here to answer questions.

--Laughter/Applause

I can go through each of these vacant positions. There are 46 full-time positions. I do not know how many of those are newly created positions that have not yet been filled since the amalgamation of this department. I will get that information for the Member and also provide him the information about how many are positions that have been filled which have since become vacant and what we are doing to fill them. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Premier in relation to his Minister's statement yesterday regarding the GNWT position on northern diamonds. Recently, the Minister for RWED had come back from a fact-finding mission and indicated this government should not be in the business of buying diamonds. There seems to be a perception to some people from the government's stated position yesterday that perhaps this is the case. Could the Premier elaborate on the point of making diamonds accessible, consistently and reliably to the northern industries?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, we made public our position as a government. It is clear that our government is very interested in becoming involved in the diamond industry. Our government has a duty to be involved in the diamond industry, to the people of the Northwest Territories. We have to fundamentally look after the people of the Northwest Territories and people's concerns on the diamond issue. We have concerns that we are not getting a fair share of taxes and royalties. We are working with the federal government on that issue.

We want access to rough diamonds so we can develop a diamond cutting and polishing industry for the Northwest Territories people. We also need to have an inroad in the marketing of diamonds, so we know what the end value is, so we get the proper taxes and royalties on behalf of the people of the Northwest Territories. That is the position of this government. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the government proposing to buy diamonds or set up some type of a committee or board that would actually buy the diamonds to make them accessible to people in the north? Thank you.

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Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier had indicated also in his statement the government would be working with the industry to achieve this goal. Would the Premier indicate if there have already been meetings to this end?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. BHP Diamonds has publicly stated that they want to make diamonds available for sale in the Northwest Territories. It is our position, as a government, that we will work with them to achieve their public commitment they made to the people of the Northwest Territories, to make diamonds for sale in the Northwest Territories. They being a good corporate citizen and we being a good government will work together to help them to achieve that. Ministers have met previously with BHP, and they will meet with them again next week.

From that meeting, knowing that BHP is a good corporate citizen in the Northwest Territories, knowing that my Ministers are very committed to look after the people's interest of the Northwest Territories, I think we will come out with a positive result. If not, then Plan B. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Being the good Premier that he is, I am sure the Premier will keep us informed on the developments. Could the Premier indicate if this

government expects the mining industry to subsidize the development of a new northern industry?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, we do not expect the mining industry to subsidize the start of a new diamond polishing industry in the Northwest Territories. We just expect the mining industry, especially BHP, to live up to the public statements they have made and we will help them achieve that. It may cost them a bit of money, but it is not a subsidy. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will also be asking the Premier some questions on his statement in the House yesterday on northern diamonds. I would like to congratulate the Premier and his government for the position they are taking. I believe that is the bottom line anyway. I listened to a CBC report where the Premier had responded to questions from the reporter. The Premier had said his Ministers would work with the industry and government and report back to Cabinet.

My question to the Minister is, when the Ministers do report back to Cabinet, will the Premier have a meeting of the full Caucus and advise them of the advancements they have made before a public statement is forthcoming? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As this process evolves and as the Ministers meet with the diamond industry people and the federal government as well, I will be very happy to keep Members informed, of what evolves from that. If the House is not sitting, then I would do that by letter so Members are fully knowledgeable of what is happening. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you, Premier , for that. The point I am trying to get here, Mr. Speaker is, this government will be splitting before December 31st, 1998. We will be back in this House in May. What I would like for the Premier to do is to bring this information back to the committee. The reason for asking this, there was criticism of the government during the process, a socio-economic agreement, and I think it is better if, in this particular situation, everyone had some input into it. We can make a collective decision, everybody buys into it and supports it. That is my reason for asking it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will write to the Caucus Chairman and ask him to add that item to the Caucus agenda so when we come back in May we can have an update then. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I like the Premier 's positive attitude and that he is sending two of his top Ministers to negotiate with BHP and with the federal government. Hopefully, that will result in something which will benefit all northerners. My question to the Premier is, I have not heard the comment that was made by the Finance Minister anywhere in the statement here. Is that still on the table, the potential of taxes that would choke a mule in the event that northerners do not get the resources and benefits they deserve out of this industry? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The most important issue here is to make sure that northerners benefit from our resources. The diamonds belong to the Northwest Territories people. That is our resource and future. We will do everything possible to ensure that northerners benefit from this diamond mine. Northerners have to benefit from this diamond mine and we, as a government, will ensure that happens. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow up on some questions on Mr. Todd 's statement yesterday on pay equity. Has the UNW or any outside agencies agreed that the proposed GNWT's Hay Job Evaluation System is, indeed, gender neutral? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, Hay and Associates are in fact an outside organization with a significant Canadian-wide, both in government and industry-wide experience. This is probably the most detailed job evaluation analysis that has been done in this government

since its start. I am confident the Hay Associates job evaluation system is well-founded and is defendable, if and when we end up at the Human Rights Commission. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, rates of pay must be based on a bias-free job evaluation system as set out under the Canadian Human Rights guidelines. Do the rates of pay under this new proposed system meet those guidelines? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We believe they do. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is it true then that government cannot knowingly ignore the legal obligations set out in the Canadian Human Rights Act and thus, has to negotiate a settlement because a new collective agreement with rates of pay which discriminate, would now not be legal because, indeed, of the recent ruling?

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Keewatin Central

Excellent question, Mr. Speaker, from my colleague and if he will recall, if he looks at Hansard, I believe I said this means that the government cannot knowingly ignore the legal obligations set out in the Canadian Human Rights Act by signing a new collective agreement with rates of pay that might be discriminatory against female employees. The UNW is faced with the same dilemma.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the UNW has to too, but they are not implementing the Hay Plan proposal. The Minister just said he believes the Hay Plan Proposal, indeed, is gender neutral. He believes it, the government believes it, but do they have any facts to back that up other than the company that he hired to do it? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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We are confident, Mr. Speaker, very confident, that the Hay and Associates job evaluation analysis will stand the test with the Human Rights Commission. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be