Debates of Dec. 16th, 1991

This is page numbers 113 - 142 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 1st Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers' Statement 19-12(1): Tungavik Federation Of Nunavut Claim

Tungavik Federation Of Nunavut Claim

Expenditure Management Initiatives, Keewatin Regional Health Board

Praise For Minister Of Social Services

Final Agreement On Tungavik Federation Of Nunavut Claim

Institutional Violence Against Natives

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Question O112-12(1): Status Of Negotiations With Manitoba Health Services Commission

Question O113-12(1): Impact Analysis Re Hospital, Keewatin Region

Question O114-12(1): Terminology Workshops

Question O115-12(1): Expenditure To Date On Expo '92

Question O116-12(1): Delay In Decision On Snare Lake Winter Road

Question O117-12(1): Policy Re Hiring Non-canadian Citizens

Question O118-12(1): Economic Benefits From Activities In Japan

Question O119-12(1): Emergency Response To Dangerous Spills

Question O120-12(1): Emergency Response To Dangerous Spills On Roads

Question O121-12(1): Number Of Staff Employed At Expo '92

Question O122-12(1): Effect Of Offshore Activity On The Northern Economy

Question O123-12(1): Hiring Of Personnel From Outside The Country

Question O124-12(1): Tendering Practices For Petroleum, Oil And Lubricants Program Contracts

Question O125-12(1): Paving Of Highway No. 5 From Kilometre 60 To 238

Question O126-12(1): Municipality Of Rae-edzo Cash Flow Problem

Question O127-12(1): Changing Water Source In Arviat

Return Question O127-12(1): Changing Water Source In Arviat

Question O128-12(1): Authority To Release Information In Department Of Social Services

Question O129-12(1): Hiring Qualified Teachers

Question O130-12(1): Response To Question Re Arctic Airports

Question O131-12(1): Money Owed To Hay River Reserve Band By Curry Construction

Question O132-12(1): Results Of Recent Community Elections

Development Of A Privacy Act

Question W9-12(1): Affirmative Action Hiring Record Of Workers' Compensation Board

Question W10-12(1): Southerners Owning Homes In Both The South And The North

Question W11-12(1): 1990-91 Costs Of Health Care Services For Keewatin Patients

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

W4-12(1): Review Of Funding To Women's Organizations

Committee Report 3-12(1): Report Of The Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions

Item 11: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Notices Of Motions

Notice Of Motion 38-12(1): Terms Of Reference For The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform

Notice Of Motion 39-12(1): Appointment Of Languages Commissioner

Notice Of Motion 40-12(1): Establishment Of A Special Committee For Health And Social Services

Notice Of Motion 41-12(1): Establishment Of A Tax Reform Commission

Item 14: Motions

Appointment Of Languages Commissioner

Terms Of Reference For The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform

Strategy Committee For Implementation Of Recommendations Of "strength At Two Levels"

Contribution To The NWT Council For Disabled Persons

Small School For The Settlement Of Kakisa

Adult Education Centre, Hay River Reserve

Construction Of A Garage In Kakisa

Question W12-12(1): GNWT Participation In Expo

Item 17: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1991-92

Item 18: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 20: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. John Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 113

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Orders of the day for Monday, December 16, 1991. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu .

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Ministers' Statement 19-12(1): Tungavik Federation Of Nunavut Claim

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 113

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. I am pleased to announce to the House that the Tungavik Federation of Nunavut and the federal government have concluded successfully land claim negotiations in Ottawa over the weekend. The Hon. Dennis Patterson was present at the negotiating session on Friday night, where agreement was reached on the outstanding issues.

The initialling of the claim is an important step, both for the Inuit who have been negotiating the claim for about 15 years, and for the creation of a new territory called Nunavut. I am sure that the Members of the House will join me in offering congratulations to the Tungavik Federation of Nunavut on the successful negotiations of the initialled document.

---Applause

Contained in the claim is an affirmation of the Inuit ownership over 350,000 square kilometres of land, including 36,000 square kilometres of land with subsurface rights; the provision by the federal government of $580 million, in 1989 dollars, in the form of a capital transfer to be paid over the next 14 years; detailed provisions which ensure participation by Inuit on boards with responsibilities in the fields of wildlife management, land use planning, water management and environmental and socio-economic reviews of development proposals.

A very important

article in the agreement is related to the political development of the new territory in the Eastern Arctic called "Nunavut." The

article confirms that the federal government will recommend to Parliament, legislation to establish a new Nunavut territory with its own legislative assembly and public government. There needs to be much discussion before this occurs, and the

article further states that a political accord shall be negotiated between this government, TFN and Canada. This accord will establish the date of parliamentary legislation, the types of powers of the new government, certain principles relating to the financing of the Nunavut government and the time limits for the coming into existence and operation of the new government. As the Members of the House may appreciate, there is much work to be done on the development and approval of this accord as the parties aim to reach agreement on it by April 1 of next year.

It is expected that the Inuit will vote on the acceptance of the claims settlement in the late spring, with the ratifying legislation being introduced into Parliament a few months later.

---Applause

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Ministers' Statement 19-12(1): Tungavik Federation Of Nunavut Claim

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 113

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . I would like to take this opportunity to recognize, in the gallery, Mr. Charlie Lyall, Mayor of Spence Bay.

---Applause

Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Allooloo .

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Tungavik Federation Of Nunavut Claim

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 113

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to congratulate the Tungavik Federation of Nunavut in reaching a final agreement in Ottawa during the weekend. I would like to thank the Tungavik negotiators. They worked very hard, and I wish to thank them. They worked so hard they seemed to forget about their personal lives. There is to be a Nunavut territory, and the territorial government has agreed. We have a lot of work ahead of us. The residents of Nunavut have to be informed of the details of the agreement. A plebiscite has to be held on the boundary question, and the agreement has to be ratified.

In addition we still have to negotiate a political accord with TFN and the federal government which will cover such important questions as principles for financing the Nunavut government, transition arrangements and timing.

As the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs mentioned, the federal government has agreed to a $580 million payment over 14 years, and it has a guaranteed interest rate of 9.36 per cent. That means a total federal contribution of over one billion dollars over 14 years.

Finally, as Minister of Education I was also pleased to learn that TFN has negotiated a special fund of $13 million dedicated to training. This will help ensure that northern people are prepared to implement the claim. Thank you.

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Tungavik Federation Of Nunavut Claim

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 114

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Expenditure Management Initiatives, Keewatin Regional Health Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 114

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to inform this Legislature and the cabinet of the Keewatin Regional Health Board's response to the Minister of Health's directive regarding the expenditure management initiatives. The board has proposed seven recommendations that, if approved, would not only realize significant reductions in long-term costs of delivering health and social services to the region, but also dramatically improve the delivery of these services to the region. I believe a copy of these recommendations is already in the hands of the Minister.

I need not remind you, Mr. Speaker, that this year has been a very difficult one for the Keewatin Regional Health Board. The region has been drastically hit by various disease outbreaks, including the E-coli and red measles. I am sure Members will join me in congratulating the Keewatin Regional Health Board for their excellent work in dealing with these problems.

---Applause

Thank you. It is all the more impressive that they have also found the time to discuss and develop strategies to improve the cost efficiency of the delivery of the health care system in the Keewatin while dealing with these difficult problems.

Mr. Speaker, I will be tabling these proposals at the appropriate time today. I would also like to give notice to the Minister of Health that I will be very interested to know what steps his department has taken to implement these recommendations, when the House reconvenes in February. Thank you.

---Applause

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Expenditure Management Initiatives, Keewatin Regional Health Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 114

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Praise For Minister Of Social Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 114

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to congratulate my former colleague on this side of the House, Mr. Whitford , for the tough stand that he took last week in refusing to divulge information which was of a confidential nature; also to maintain cabinet solidarity in the face of a demand for a review of Social Services. It is absolutely imperative, if you sit on that other side, that there has to be loyalty among all Members to deliver a government program.

I congratulate him because I found that he behaved exactly the same way when he was on this side of the House; he gave up some of his individual freedom, from time to time, in order to support other Members to achieve the purposes that they had indicated were important to them, to other ordinary Members.

So, Mr. Speaker, one day in the local newspaper you get congratulated and you get all kinds of wonderful accolades because of the good work that you are doing, and the following week you get dumped over simply because you have been loyal to your colleagues. I would like to congratulate him for standing his ground. Thank you.

---Applause

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Praise For Minister Of Social Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 114

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Arvaluk .

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Final Agreement On Tungavik Federation Of Nunavut Claim

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 114

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) As you have heard earlier and heard and watched this morning on the news, the Tungavik Federation of Nunavut president, Mr. Louis Pilakapsi, and Tom Siddon have come to an agreement. I am positive that the Inuit are very happy about this agreement with regard to Nunavut and government.

A lot of times we were doubtful whether or not this was going to proceed. I remember in 1968 I was working with Peter Mansbridge, with CBC, and Tagak Curley, who was an adult educator at the time. We had a discussion about the desires and needs of the Inuit people, that they should be able to control their own land. When we were discussing this, I also mentioned that the Inuit people have to get more training, and Tagak responded to me, "If we really want this to go through, we will have to fight for it."

Mr. Speaker, I would like to state at this time that I am very happy about the progress. Even though there were changes, the government officials or the leaders, the people of Nunavut were able to continue, to the fullest, to the end. Thank you.

---Applause

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Final Agreement On Tungavik Federation Of Nunavut Claim

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 114

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Institutional Violence Against Natives

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 114

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last Thursday I commented on the history of victimization of women of aboriginal decent. Men have been victims of racial hatred, too. Today I wish to talk about the role that Canadian institutions have played in perpetuating that victimization process.

I had to laugh out loud, Mr. Speaker, when I heard about the Right Honourable Joe Clark's November 28th comments to the First Nations' leadership, when he tried to say that violence has not been part of the Canadian tradition. Mr. Speaker, violence against aboriginal people has been part of the Canadian experience right from the first moment Europeans set foot on this land. It was part of the Canadian tradition when the Beothuks were slaughtered in Newfoundland, and later when the government took up arms against native people during the Riel Rebellion, the Duck Lake confrontation, and most recently, Oka.

And these are just low points from Canada's own shameful past. If you consider the history of race relations throughout the Americas, you can find evidence of the mistreatment of native people from the time of Christopher Columbus right up to the tragedy at Wounded Knee. It continues today, with human rights abuses and land theft in many nations of Central and South America.

No, Mr. Speaker, Joe Clark was wrong. There has been a history of violent manipulation and victimization of Amerindian peoples throughout the years of our contact with non-native cultures. And we have tasted the bitter victimization in the North, too, Mr. Speaker. It was present in the corporal punishment endured by aboriginal children in the residential school system. It is present in our current system of justice. Many things must be wrong with any system that spends half a million dollars to conclude that it is all right for a judge to say that rape is different when it happens to northern women from when it happens to dainty southern Canadian co-eds.

I am heartened by a recent report of the Law Reform Commission of Canada which proposes a system of justice based on aboriginal traditions...

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Institutional Violence Against Natives

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 115

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Gargan , your time has expired. Are you seeking unanimous consent to conclude?

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Institutional Violence Against Natives

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Institutional Violence Against Natives

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 115

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Unanimous consent is requested. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Continue, Mr. Gargan .

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Institutional Violence Against Natives

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members. I am heartened by a recent report of the Law Reform Commission of Canada which proposes a system of justice based on aboriginal traditions and beliefs for First Nations peoples. I believe that it is only through the establishment of these sorts of aboriginal institutions that native people will break free of the pattern of victimization that has plagued us throughout the history of Canada. I would urge the cabinet and my colleagues in this House to remember this in all our efforts to develop a constitutional framework for our northern homelands. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 115

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Return To Question O65-12(1): Legislation Re Establishment Of Northern Brewery

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 115

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Lewis on December 11, 1991, concerning legislation regarding the establishment of a northern brewery. Alcohol abuse is such a large problem in the NWT that anything to do with alcohol causes a lot of emotion. In my own riding, two out of three communities have prohibition. Recognizing the emotional response this legislation is likely to receive, I will review it carefully and will discuss it with other Members of cabinet. Until this is done, I have no intentions, one way or the other, regarding brewery legislation. Thank you.

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Return To Question O65-12(1): Legislation Re Establishment Of Northern Brewery

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 115

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions. Ms. Cournoyea .

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Return To Question O51-12(1): Update On Status Of Northern Accord

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 115

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a reply to a question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on December 11, 1991, regarding an update on the status of the Northern Accord. Mr. Speaker, between the fall of 1989 and the spring of 1990, the Government of the Northwest Territories, with the direct participation of the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, the Tungavik Federation of Nunavut and the Dene/Metis, did develop a comprehensive proposal for the finalization of the accord. The accord will see the transfer of oil and gas management responsibilities from the federal government to the Government of the Northwest Territories.

The proposal contains provisions which guarantee that the accord will not diminish the ability of the federal government and aboriginal claimant groups to negotiate and implement land claims.

The proposal was tabled with the federal government in May, 1990. However, we did not proceed with formal negotiations at that time because we had not completed an agreement with the Yukon on the Beaufort Sea. There were also significant uncertainties about the status of the Dene/Metis land claim, and more specifically, with the issues of aboriginal subsurface benefits agreements. The federal government refused to provide for these agreements in the claims but had not indicated to the GNWT how they could be provided through the Northern Accord.

Last spring we were able to successfully complete the negotiation of an agreement with Yukon regarding oil and gas management responsibilities in the Beaufort Sea. Furthermore, Minister Siddon has formally committed to transfer to the GNWT, through the accord, the additional powers to legislate in respect of aboriginal subsurface agreements on settlement lands as part of the Gwich'in final agreement.

The federal government has not yet provided a full response to our proposal. The informal discussions that we have had to date indicate that we can expect that the fiscal and financial elements of the accord will be the most difficult to resolve. Without an adequate fiscal and financial package, I must stress that this government will not be willing to accept the transfer.

I cannot predict how long it will take before we can arrive at a satisfactory agreement, but I will certainly inform this House of any developments which alter the present status of the accord.

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Return To Question O51-12(1): Update On Status Of Northern Accord

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 115

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions. Mr. Patterson .

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Return To Question O3-12(1): Transportation Of Equipment To Snare Lake

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 115

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a return to Question O3-12(1), asked on December 9th, concerning transportation of equipment to Snare Lake. The Department of Public Works on behalf of Municipal and Community Affairs has purchased equipment and is managing the construction of a maintenance garage due to begin in the summer of 1992. We are working with the Department of Transportation, which is co-ordinating the review of options for the winter freight haul for the territorial government. A decision is expected by the end of this month. The road would ordinarily be constructed in January/February.

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Further Return To Question O24-12(1): Membership On Workers' Compensation Board

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 115

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I have a return to Question O24-12(1) concerning membership on the Workers' Compensation Board. The directors currently serving on the Workers' Compensation Board are: Mr. Grant Hinchey, Mr. Jim Evoy, Mr. Grant Horseman, Mr. Dale Johnston, Mr. Ronald Williams. All are residents of Yellowknife, and Mr. Williams is an aboriginal person, being an NWT Metis.

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Return To Question O79-12(1): Government's Emergency Response Plan

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 115

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Another question, asked by Mr. Gargan on December 12th, on the government's emergency response plan. The Government of the NWT does have plans to deal with emergencies. In the NWT we are organized for response at the territorial, regional/area, and community level. Emergency response plans do include procedures to respond to specific scenarios. However, the plans also establish an emergency response organization and assigned agency responsibilities to provide for a response to any unforeseen emergency situation.

Although not all have received formal approval, every NWT municipality except Grise Fiord has developed an emergency response plan. These plans often provide for the conduct of a co-ordinated search for missing persons and in doing so utilize volunteers from hunters and trappers associations or community search and rescue teams. A recent amendment to the Civil Emergency Measures Act provides the authority for a community-organized search outside municipal boundaries. Although the primary responsibility for ground searches remains with the RCMP, the point remains that the local authority is organized to offer assistance.

The Canadian Forces have primary responsibility for responding to missing or downed aircraft incidents in the NWT, other than those which occur on airport property or within a municipality. The Canadian Forces operates four rescue co-ordination centres, RCCs, across the country, with the Edmonton RCC responsible for managing air and marine search and rescue responses throughout most of the NWT and its coastal waters. In responding to any search and rescue incidents, the rescue co-ordination centres can call for assistance from military aircraft, coast guard vessels, volunteer organizations of aviators and mariners, as well as the resources of GNWT and municipal emergency personnel.

As I have just said, the Canadian Forces can seek outside help in responding to an aircraft incident. Assistance could be provided by the GNWT through its territorial or regional emergency response committees, or a community in the vicinity of a crash could render assistance. The Canadian Forces also maintains ranger units in many northern communities through support from Northern Region Headquarters. The rangers could also be called upon to assist in responding to such an incident and can be activated through normal military procedures. Thank you.

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Return To Question O79-12(1): Government's Emergency Response Plan

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Question O112-12(1): Status Of Negotiations With Manitoba Health Services Commission

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 116

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Health , who I will be kind to. Mr. Speaker, I understand that the Department of Health of the NWT, in conjunction with the Manitoba Government Health Services Commission, is presently discussing a global funding arrangement for the Churchill Health Centre as a strategy for reducing the per diem per patient cost. Could the Minister advise me today what the status of this review is and the negotiations?

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Question O112-12(1): Status Of Negotiations With Manitoba Health Services Commission

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 116

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Health , Mr. Whitford .

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Page 116

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

I would like to advise the Member, however, that I am not able to advise him at this moment; so I will take the question as notice. I think it should be a written question giving me all the details that I would need.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O113-12(1): Impact Analysis Re Hospital, Keewatin Region

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 116

John Todd

Keewatin Central

My question is to the Minister of Health again. Mr. Speaker, I have in my hands today a resolution from the Keewatin Health Board that requests that the government commit the necessary funds to the board to carry out a full analysis of the impact of having a hospital in the Keewatin Region. This resolution is supported by letters from the Keewatin Inuit Association, Keewatin Regional Council, hamlet council of Rankin Inlet and the MLAs for the Keewatin Region. My question to the Minister of Health is, would the Minister give serious consideration to providing the necessary funding to the board to carry out this impact analysis? That is an oral question.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we will give consideration to it. I believe a letter is on its way dealing with an issue similar to that.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Todd .

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Question O113-12(1): Impact Analysis Re Hospital, Keewatin Region

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 116

John Todd

Keewatin Central

In light of the Minister's response, would he give me his assurances today that there will be no changes to the patient referral patterns for the Keewatin Region until the impact analysis has been done?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot give you that assurance that there will not be a change in the pattern of moving patients back and forth. I think there is consideration being given to moving patients to wherever the service is available at the most economical cost.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O114-12(1): Terminology Workshops

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 116

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Culture and Communications , Mr. Allooloo . Mr. Speaker, there are terminology workshops that have been going on in the communities, and these are workshops done by the translation/interpreter division where they do workshops in order to come up with legal or health terminologies. I would like to ask the Minister if those terminologies have ever been tried out in public or even with the elders. It is good to work on terminologies, but if you do not exercise it, what is the sense in doing it?

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Michael Ballantyne

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

These workshops, we find, are very helpful to interpreters and also very helpful to the communities when they start using those new words.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 116

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have not been approached on the new terminology. The elders have never

been told what the new terminology is. In what ways is the new terminology helpful if people do not know them? In what way are they being implemented if it is only the interpreters who know the new terminology?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Culture and Communications .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have that background at that moment, when the new terminology is being developed, whether they go back to the elders. But I am told that in coming up with new words we try hard to consult with the people who know the language issues. I would be very happy to give a Member a report on how we go back to the communities in consulting with them to come up with new words.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Gargan , second supplementary.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, the reason I brought up this question is because the communities are not being consulted in the new terminologies. In order to implement the new terminology the communities have to be consulted. No one has been consulted with regard to the workshops. The new terminology has not been scrutinized, for lack of a better term, but who has been consulted with regard to the new terminology?

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Michael Ballantyne

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, the reason we hold terminology workshops in the communities -- and that has been going on for a little while -- is so that the elders could participate at these terminology workshops, and it would also ensure that the proper terms are used by interpreter/translators in interpreting in court, for example. I will take the Member's suggestion that perhaps there is room to improve the process and room to consult with the elders once we have developed the terminology. I will look into the area and see if we can involve the communities more than we have in the past, although we have been involving the elders in community workshops.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Koe .

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Question O115-12(1): Expenditure To Date On Expo '92

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 117

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . On Friday the Minister responded to an oral question regarding NWT participation in Expo '92. If my notes are right, the Minister stated that so far the government has spent and committed $979,000. I think he stated that they committed $600,000 for musk-ox and fish and purchased another $420,000 for arts and crafts. If my calculator is right, that adds up to $1,020,000. You also said that you expected to purchase $450,000 worth of additional arts and crafts, for a total of $1.2 million.

My calculator says it is about $1.47 million. Does the Minister have the right figures, and if so, did he have trouble adding them up?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

It was two questions. If the Minister wants to answer the first question, the Member can pose the other question during oral questions. Minister of Economic Development and Tourism .

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Page 117

John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I did give all those numbers to the House on Friday, and I will get some more details for the Member and get back to him as to how those numbers are added up.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The question is taken as notice. Mr. Zoe .

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Question O116-12(1): Delay In Decision On Snare Lake Winter Road

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 117

Henry Zoe

North Slave

My question is to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , in light of the response he has given me today and the response received from the Minister of Transportation . Why is the government waiting to make a decision on the winter road to Snare Lake until the end of the month? Why can they not make a commitment now? Why can they not let me know which way it is going to go, one way or another?

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Michael Ballantyne

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Page 117

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I think it was the honourable Member himself who suggested that departments should get together to see if, through a co-ordinated approach, a solution could be devised. That work is happening. There is a lot of time yet before the road would have to be built. The end of the month is not that far away. I can assure the honourable Member that he will be the first to know if a solution can be found to this problem.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member is not quite answering my question. Why can they not make a decision while the House is sitting? Why do they have to wait until the end of the month? Is it because they are anticipating something after the Members leave, and then they will not have time to respond to them? Is that the main reason?

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Page 117

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs .

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Page 117

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member knows, with the unfortunate closure of the Colomac mine, a much longer winter access road must now be constructed using public funds. The Member also knows that money is not in as easy supply as it has been in the past. This is a sizable cost that makes the decision difficult.

Departments are scrambling to do their best with the resources that are available, Mr. Speaker, and if the Member is suggesting that the government is delaying an answer because the House is in session, that is an unfair suggestion. I can assure him that my department, and the other departments, are working as hard as they can to make the best use of existing resources to see if we can come up with a solution to this problem, for which we are not at the moment budgeted. If the Member will have a little bit of patience, we will do our best; and we will let him know in a timely fashion what we are going to be able to do, if anything, about this very important issue. Thank you.

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Page 117

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Oral questions. Mrs. Marie-

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Question O117-12(1): Policy Re Hiring Non-canadian Citizens

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 118

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Personnel . Actually I have two questions. In reviewing the unedited Hansard for Friday, December 13, 1991, Mr. Speaker, I was correct, when I posed my question to the Minister of Personnel, and my question to the Minister of Personnel is, why would the Minister of Personnel want to develop a policy for hiring non-Canadians for management positions when we have an affirmative action policy in place? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Personnel , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I had not made a commitment to develop a policy to hire non-Canadian citizens. I do not have any intention of developing such a policy.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, if we check -- my question was printed on page 380 of the unedited Hansard. My colleague, Mr. Bernhardt , asked a question earlier, printed on page 370 of the unedited Hansard, and the same question was posed to the Minister of Personnel and he indicated yes, he would develop such a policy for hiring non-Canadians for management positions. I would like to ask the Minister of Personnel again, in light of his thinking that he did not make such a commitment -- in fact he did, according to Hansard -- would he clarify his position? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Personnel .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I will make corrections to Hansard in that case. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I do not believe it is the desire of Members to see the Minister make corrections to Hansard. I believe it is the desire of Members to determine why the Minister of Personnel would want to develop a policy for hiring non-Canadians for management positions? Would he please advise us? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 118

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think we should just cut out all this technical stuff and deal with the original concern that the Member for Kitikmeot raised. The question was: Why are we hiring non-Canadian citizens to work in positions of the Government of the Northwest Territories? My response was basically saying that we do not have a policy geared toward promoting the hiring of non-Canadian citizens for positions within the Government of the Northwest Territories. If I did not say that, that was the intent of the original question as I understood it, and the intent of my response as I made it. If Hansard does not reflect that, then I understand that technically it is too late to correct Hansard.

I understand the Member pursuing this line of questioning, but I would say that we have to look at whatever procedures we have for departments in a government that hire non-Canadian citizens to carry out the duties they want, such as doctors, nurses and perhaps engineers, and get back to the Member. I would have to ask for the details on that. Thank you.

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Question O117-12(1): Policy Re Hiring Non-canadian Citizens

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 118

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Does that satisfy the Member for Thebacha ? The question has been taken as notice. I think in the meantime Mr. Kakfwi can review Hansard. If there is any misunderstanding, when Mr. Kakfwi gives his return he can perhaps clarify that, so we do not get hung up, as Mr. Kakfwi suggested, with the technical aspect of this. Oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Question O118-12(1): Economic Benefits From Activities In Japan

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 118

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Given the Minister's recent comments with respect to a stay-at-home economic development strategy, is the Minister aware that the department is currently funding offshore activities in Japan, and are we able to assess the benefits being derived from such expensive trips?

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Question O118-12(1): Economic Benefits From Activities In Japan

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John Pollard

Hay River

I am aware of the goings-on in Japan and I think we are also looking at Germany as well, Mr. Speaker. I have asked the department for an accounting of that. I am unable to tell the Member at this time the benefits to the Northwest Territories, but I will endeavour to seek that out. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

You are taking the question as notice, Mr. Pollard ?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, the difficulty is that the event in Japan has just occurred and I will not know for some time if there has been any benefit accruing from that, so I would have to get back to the department and merely come to the House with what they think the benefit will be to the government. In that respect, sir, I am taking the question as notice.

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Michael Ballantyne

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Question O119-12(1): Emergency Response To Dangerous Spills

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Page 118

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs regarding his response on civil emergencies when he referred to the rangers and the Armed Forces on crashes and missing people, but my original question was with regard to emergency measures with regard to a highway spill. My main concern was that last year alone I believe there were about three accidents on the Mackenzie Highway where fuel was spilled, or other things were spilled on the side of the highways.

The Minister has not addressed that particular issue. In the event there is a dangerous spill which could possibly cause fumes or kill people, he has not responded to that. I would like to ask the Minister whether that particular emergency issue has been addressed.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O119-12(1): Emergency Response To Dangerous Spills

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the honourable Member's question covers the area of transportation of dangerous goods and accidents or problems that could arise in connection with the transportation of dangerous goods, and I think those matters properly fall under the responsibility of the Minister of Transportation . If the question is asked to me, I think I would have to take it on notice. Thank you.

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Question O120-12(1): Emergency Response To Dangerous Spills On Roads

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

I think in the Hansard, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Allooloo referred the question to Mr. Patterson regarding my question on emergency, but I will direct my question to the Minister of Transportation . In the event there is an accident where dangerous chemicals are spilled on the road, where does the Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act address the issue of an emergency response?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I understand from Mr. Patterson 's response, because the question is posed to Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Patterson did not take it as notice. Mr. Allooloo .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 119

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, this is one of the areas where not just one department is responsible, but in terms of the Member's concern over an accident in dealing with dangerous chemicals, I am told it falls under the jurisdiction of Renewable Resources. There is a response team set up in Hay River and equipment in Hay River, as well as in Enterprise. If I am wrong the Minister of Renewable Resources could correct me on that.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

I would like to ask the Minister of Renewable Resources if there is an emergency response team in Hay River and Enterprise.

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Michael Ballantyne

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am told that there is.

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Page 119

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Is it definite? Could you tell me the toll-free number a person may use?

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Michael Ballantyne

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Any time there is any oil spill it is very important to our environment. Yes, I will, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Koe .

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Question O121-12(1): Number Of Staff Employed At Expo '92

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 119

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope my previous question to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism does not reflect on his ability to add numbers and balance the budget. In Hansard on Friday you also noted that Expo made job offers to 48 people. Is this the total number of staff that will be hired at Expo?

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Michael Ballantyne

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John Pollard

Hay River

I think the number that I recorded, Mr. Speaker, was 48 Northerners. That is not the total number. I think the total number will be in excess of 50.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Page 119

Fred Koe

Inuvik

How many of the 50 are going to be on contract and how many are term employees?

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John Pollard

Hay River

I will take the question as notice, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions, Mr. Todd .

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Question O122-12(1): Effect Of Offshore Activity On The Northern Economy

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 119

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Economic Development and Tourism . On December 12th in Hansard Mr. Pollard stated, "I think economic development starts at home....

If he is asking this government if we have plans to go clamouring around the world trying to promote the NWT, I would have to say, 'No.' I think we are interested in starting at home, working at home, looking at southern Canada, looking at this continent...." Given the current trend of offshore activity, Expo, Japan, Germany, will the Minister give us his assurances that these activities and expenditures will not continue without quantifying the net effect to the northern economy and its people and not merely be a free ride for a privileged few?

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Michael Ballantyne

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John Pollard

Hay River

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Arvaluk .

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Question O123-12(1): Hiring Of Personnel From Outside The Country

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 119

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to Mrs. Marie-Jewell 's question, my question is directed to the Minister of Personnel . Mr. Bernhardt 's question was not whether or not the government's hiring of specialists like doctors and

scientists from outside the country, rather, why the government makes a practice of hiring personnel from outside the country for very ordinary positions, such as superintendent of Government Services and Department of Public Works for the Kitikmeot. That was the question.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, on the first part which I have taken the liberty to interpret myself, we take the question of Mr. Bernhardt or the way he phrased it, the answer should be no, because there is no policy. That is what Jeannie Marie-Jewell was getting it. The way I interpreted it was to say: Would I look at the situation that is in existence there? That is why I said, yes.

On the concern that the honourable Member is making now, I would say we are going to look at the situation that I responded to earlier today.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O124-12(1): Tendering Practices For Petroleum, Oil And Lubricants Program Contracts

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 120

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question regarding the review of POL, petroleum, oil and lubricants program, tendering procedures. Last Thursday my honourable colleague for Aivilik asked the Government Leader for a status update on the Anderson investigation into tendering practices for POL contracts. My question is the for Minister of Government Services . Can the Minister advise the House as to whether Mr. Ben Anderson is still working on his review for tendering procedures used in awarding POL delivery contracts?

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Page 120

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that we have not received the report and I am expecting to have a copy of the report probably tomorrow, about 11:00. So as soon as I receive that and look it over, we can release the information that is necessary at that time. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Koe , supplementary.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To whomever. The terms of reference for the Anderson review initially targeted four communities. Were these terms of reference expanded to include all the communities where contracts were awarded?

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Page 120

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, upon reviewing what the report says, I will also look over the original mandate and whether they were expanded or not. At this time I could not say.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O125-12(1): Paving Of Highway No. 5 From Kilometre 60 To 238

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 120

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Friday I asked the Minister of Transportation if he would be considering pavement on Highway No. 5 from Sandy Lake to Fort Smith. He indicated that he would provide me with a map, and he also stated that there is consideration for pavement, in 1993, from kilometre 0 to 60. Mr. Speaker, in reviewing the map I recognize that it is from the Pine Point junction to Sandy Lake. So he is going to repave the existing paved area in 1993. I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation if he is going to consider paving from kilometre 60 into Bell Rock, which is kilometre 238, prior to 1993.

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Page 120

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Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. Minister of Transportation .

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Page 120

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, yes, we could consider that but currently we have no plans to pave from Sandy Lake to kilometre 238. We have plans to treat the surface with calcium chloride and oil base DL-10. That was applied to the remaining 140 kilometres of Highway No. 5, kilometre 92 to kilometre 238, for the control of dust in the summer of 1991. I will take the Member's advice to see what we could do in terms of planning to pave that particular highway. I will get back to the Member as soon as I can. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O126-12(1): Municipality Of Rae-edzo Cash Flow Problem

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 120

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs . Mr. Speaker, last week I made the Minister aware of the difficulty the hamlet of Rae-Edzo is encountering with their cash flow. Could I ask the Minister what measures or what steps he has taken to help that particular municipality?

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Michael Ballantyne

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Page 120

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I do thank the Member for drawing to my attention the financial problems currently facing his community and also his explanation to me that these financial problems, in addition to the accumulated deficit, also flow from problems with the discharge of ground water into the sewage system, for which the hamlet has had to bear financial responsibility.

Mr. Speaker, as to the ground water problem, the extra cost that the hamlet has incurred this year, I have asked the department to look into that problem. They are at the moment discussing these problems with the agencies and departments of the government whose works have contributed to this problem. As of today, I have no results to report to the Member... so we will be looking for a short-term solution to that issue this year.

The long-term solution recommended to the hamlet, Mr. Speaker, is that they should enact a by-law within the authority of

section 81 of the Hamlets Act, to either regulate or prohibit discharge of substances and liquids, including ground water, into a sewage or drainage system. That would prevent disputes of this kind in future as to who is and who is not responsible for discharge of ground water into the sewage system. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that the cash flow of the municipality is a real serious situation. I understand that the contractor has not been paid for a number of months now. What measures is the department taking? I understand that in the short term they are going to try and resolve but how soon are they going to try and resolve this particular problem?

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Michael Ballantyne

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the problem was only brought to my attention late last week, Mr. Speaker, I am not able to give the Member a clear idea today as to when we will have a solution. But I can assure him that the department is making it a priority and we do understand the urgency of the problem. We will try and resolve it as soon as possible.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O127-12(1): Changing Water Source In Arviat

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 121

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are plans by the Government of the NWT to improve the water source for the community of Arviat. My question is to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs . I would like to know if he knows whether the water source will be changed from a still water to a flowing source in the summer of 1992. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Member for drawing this problem to my attention. Since the capital plan is still being developed, I cannot today make any kind of firm commitment about what will be done in the coming fiscal year on that issue. In the short term I understand that the water needs of the community this winter are being pursued by the hamlet. But, Mr. Speaker, it would be premature of me to make a commitment on the capital plan until it is finalized. That is what the next session is for. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O128-12(1): Authority To Release Information In Department Of Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 121

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Personnel . The Minister of Personnel indicated that every employee is required to swear an oath of office and secrecy when they are hired. The Minister said that the oath states that an employee shall not release information gained in their employment without proper authority. Will the Minister of Personnel determine whether proper authority was given to Ann Enge, Priscilla Hamann and Marj Sakundiak for releasing confidential information that they had gained in their employment? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think that it should be said, as I said earlier, we had looked at cases where allegations were made about the conduct of employees in the past, and it was the view at that time that the actions taken by employees were reasonable, and that the information that is being bandied about again now is information that was released publicly by the union representatives, who are duly assigned members on staff in the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I did not clearly hear his reply or basically have been able to interpret his reply as to what he had indicated. I would like to ask a supplementary. Will the Minister review the situation and determine if a violation of the oath of office and secrecy that they had initially signed has been violated? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

I think I indicated last week that we did look at it at the time and it was our view that there was no violation. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

My question is again to the Minister of Personnel , a supplementary. I do not recall the Minister of Personnel ever looking into that situation, but I would like to ask the Minister, what is the purpose of a civil servant signing an oath of office and secrecy when they are hired? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think as employers we wish to have some statement from each employee that basically says they will respect the office they are going to occupy and the responsibility they would have to use the information and materials available to them in a reasonable way during their employment with us. That is what I understand the oath of office and secrecy to be demanded for. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Your final supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the Minister of Personnel now knows that employees did violate this oath of office and secrecy, and since he does feel that they should not use the information against their employer, I would like to know why he will not consider following through and recognize that these employees violated their oath of

office and secrecy.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, just a couple of points. One is that I do not know that to be true, any more than the Member can say that she can make specific allegations about specific individuals, but I do know that there have to be a few things remembered here. One, is that in a discipline process that we take for employees, they must have some access to some of the information the government has in order to make sure they represent themselves in the best way possible in that process, and that is not a process in which we deny government information to.

Secondly, they are not responsible for the actions of their unions. The unions work on behalf of their members and in the end I think the unions use information that comes to them in whatever way they want. There is no recourse, as well, I think for employees that suffer under managers or supervisors that must be brought to light, in their opinion, so there has to be some flexibility in the kind of iron hand we would try to extend over employees. As I said, this type of thing was looked at some time ago and it is still my view that the actions that were taken were reasonable and there is nothing to revisit at this time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

If I could just make one comment to the House. Originally this line of questioning gave me some difficulty and my comment on it at that point in time was that Members, I think, have to be quite careful when impugning motives of individuals within or outside the House. To my knowledge, none of the allegations have either been officially confirmed or denied, at least within my knowledge, so I have some difficulty with that line of questioning. I would ask Members to be careful with that line of questioning when we are talking about either Members in the House or officials outside the House. Oral questions.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

A point of privilege, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Point of privilege, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

A point of privilege, just for clarificat