Debates of Feb. 17th, 2005

This is page numbers 1311 - 1352 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Long-term Care For Elders

Addictions Treatment Centre In The Beaufort-delta

Deton'cho Corporation Access To The Sandpits

Education Issues In Nunakput

Transient Shelter In Hay River

Access To Aurora College Student Housing

Bear River Hydro Project

Deninu Kue Concerns With Exploration Activity At Pine Point

Lack Of Social Programs And Services In Small Communities

Support For The National Childcare Program

Increasing Threat Of Diabetes

Committee Report 12-15(3): Report On The Review Of The Report Of The Chief Electoral Officer On The Administration Of The 2003 General Election

Motion To Receive Committee Report 12-15(3) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Speaker's Statement

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Shelter Needed For Transient Workers

Deton'cho Corporation Access To The Sandpits

Gymnasium For Nahanni Butte

Access To Aurora College Student Housing

High Cost Of Living In Small Communities

Authority To Divert And Dam NWT Waterways

Diabetes Education Programs

Deton'cho Corporation Access To The Sandpits

Point Of Contact For Hay River Transients

Deton'cho Corporation Access To The Sandpits

Consultation On Sandpits Access

Update On Regional Wilderness Camps

Responsibility For Deh Cho Bridge Project

Written Question 73-15(3): Hiring Of Teachers

Revert To Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 16: Northwest Territories Business Development And Investment Corporation Act

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Before we begin, I would like to take this opportunity to recognize some very special guests of mine in the gallery. We have with us visiting today my daughter, Michelle, her husband, Brent, and their kids, Lane and Tori Hartwell.

---Applause

Welcome to the Legislative Assembly. I hope you enjoy your visit. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Long-term Care For Elders

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House today to speak about long-term care for elders. Mr. Speaker, I strongly disagree with the policy of this government to charge aboriginal elders in long-term care facilities for their room and board. I have raised my concern in the House before, and I am not at all satisfied with the responses I have received to date.

Mr. Speaker, elders are revered members of this society. They have waited a long time to get old.

---Laughter

They should be able to enjoy what they can of old age. It should be a time for them. Unfortunately, under this policy, rather than taking whatever pleasure they can from their old age security, they pay around $712 per month for their accommodation. For those who depend on old age security, this leaves them with very little. This is not at all consistent with the policy for seniors in public housing, Mr. Speaker, who pay virtually nothing towards their rent. Why is it, Mr. Speaker, that elders who are most in need of assistance must pay for their accommodation while those who are able to look after themselves pay nothing towards their rent?

It is hardly the fault of those who require long-term care. Why should they be penalized? Mr. Speaker, the long-term care facilities are the last stop on this earth for the elders who make their home there. Shame on this government for not doing all that is within its powers to make the last days of our elders as comfortable as possible.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Finance was proud to announce a budget surplus when he tabled the budget last week. The number of elders in long-term care in the NWT is not huge, Mr. Speaker. It would not unduly burden this government to cover the housing costs for elders in long-term care as they do for those who reside in public housing. But it would make a significant difference in those people's lives. It would also be a powerful statement about the value our society places on elders. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Addictions Treatment Centre In The Beaufort-delta

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last October, this Assembly passed a motion to reopen a residential addictions treatment centre in Inuvik. I was glad to hear about this motion because it has given me a head start on a very important issue for my constituency. The lack of a proper treatment centre with follow-up programs in the Beaufort-Delta is something that needs to be addressed quickly.

The Beaufort-Delta Regional Council passed a resolution last November in support of the establishment of a treatment centre, prevention programs, especially to prevent hard-core drug use such as crack cocaine, and funding support for the mental health addictions counsellors and after-care programs in all communities.

It is a sad fact, Mr. Speaker, that during the week of the BDRC's meeting, which coincide with Addictions Awareness Week, there was an armed robbery at an Inuvik corner store by an individual looking for money to buy crack. It would be na‹ve to think this was an isolated incident. With more and more resource development jobs and the extra cash this puts in people's pockets, we will see more of this if we don't make the investment in prevention and treatment.

Mr. Speaker, although I believe that alcohol and drugs are a matter of personal choice, when people who are addicted do make the choice to get treatment, the facilities and programs should be there. The Minister has indicated he will be in a better position to respond to the BDRC's resolution in late March, once he has more details on the additional resources for health care recently committed by the federal government. I look forward to working with the Minister and my colleagues in this House and the Beaufort-Delta leadership to ensure that the new money is invested where it is most needed.

I would certainly say that prevention and treatment of addictions is one of those critical areas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Deton'cho Corporation Access To The Sandpits

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is a follow-up to Tuesday's statement when I was speaking to the issue of the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs granting permission to the Deton'Cho Corporation to access a portion of the sandpits here in Yellowknife to develop a residential community. I still do not understand how and why the Minister would and could unilaterally agree to grant access without first consulting the City of Yellowknife. How could the Minister be so bold, Mr. Speaker?

On January 7th, he grants permission to Deton'Cho Corporation to access the land, then three days later, on January 10th, the Minister signs off on the city's general plan. What was the Minister thinking? In the event he doesn't know what he was thinking, I want to let the Minister in on something. That is that plans are in the works to develop this area with a 400-unit residential development. Does this Minister care that this is going to happen? Well, he should. If the development does proceed, we could have a substantial satellite community with 800 to 1,000 persons living out at the sandpits.

There will be needs, Mr. Speaker; perhaps a school, parks, roads and other infrastructure. How will these items be managed? Who is going to pay for it? The Minister has to pay attention to all of the conflicting concerns on this parcel of land. Any future airport expansion plans involve land immediately next door to this parcel of land.

Residential development for the area is not in the City of Yellowknife's general plan. The Minister's department is currently involved in a joint survey with the Yellowknife Shooting Club and the City of Yellowknife on this exact parcel of land. How did discussions proceed with regard to the much-needed Kam Lake access road should a housing development be planned for this area? The decision to grant access is wrong from so many different angles, Mr. Speaker.

Again today I will be questioning the Minister about how and why this decision was made to grant access to Deton'Cho Corporation to build a housing development at the Yellowknife sandpits. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Education Issues In Nunakput

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is on education issues in Nunakput. I would like to start off by thanking the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment for meeting with the Tuktoyaktuk District Education Authority and the public in Paulatuk during his Nunakput tour last summer with myself.

Mr. Speaker, today my statement will focus on education issues in my riding; namely, the high school in Tuktoyaktuk and also grade extensions in Paulatuk. I have spoken about the Mangilaluk School in previous sessions, and I will just put the government on notice that I will continue to raise these issues until they are resolved.

I want to take the opportunity to make Members aware of the reasons and logic behind Tuktoyaktuk's request for a new high school. The Mangilaluk School was only ever intended for K to 9. Several years ago, Mr. Speaker, the school was forced to take in the high school grades on very short notice. Separate portables being used for the high school were condemned. This created problems with overcrowding and having younger and older students together. I believe the current Minister should be very familiar with the situation, Mr. Speaker, as he was also the Minister of Education at the time that this was going on.

There were some renovations done in the late 1990s but this was just really a band-aid solution.

Mr. Speaker, there have been some communications recently between the Minister; the chair of IRC, Ms. Nellie Cournoyea; the Hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk; the Tuktoyaktuk District Education Council; and myself about the possibility of looking at options to address the problem of a high school. I would like to thank the Minister for listening to us and want to encourage him to follow up as quickly as possible.

This has been a major concern in the community of Tuktoyaktuk for many years and I don't want this to end up on a back burner. As the Minister heard in Paulatuk last summer, people are very interested in seeing grade extensions so that their high school students can stay in the community rather than going to Inuvik. I would also encourage the Minister to follow up on this request as quickly as possible.

Mr. Speaker, I am looking forward to seeing some progress on these educational issues in the near future and then the government can look forward to hearing me pursue other matters on behalf of my constituents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Transient Shelter In Hay River

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am very worried that Hay River does not have a protocol in place to respond to the needs for shelter for transients. Economic growth in the Northwest Territories is almost 10 times greater than the rest of Canada, and our employment rate is higher than the Canadian average. This news is drawing people to the North, our population is expanding and most of the expansion is because of people migrating here from other provinces.

In the NWT, Hay River is the most accessible town from the South. Road traffic is on the rise and there has been a 33 percent increase in highway traffic since 1993. When the Deh Cho Bridge opens in 2006, I believe that road traffic is going to increase further. Everyone in the south has heard about the mining and the pipeline and I believe people are going to be heading to Hay River in search of jobs. Many of them will find employment and many more of them will arrive in Hay River in the dead of winter to find out it's 40 below and they can't afford a place to stay or they can't afford the cost of living.

Young men are the most likely group to travel north looking for work on the pipeline, Mr. Speaker, and when there isn't an appropriate place for them, they have, in the past, looked to the local churches for support. The number of men arriving in Hay River has already increased and some transients that have arrived appear to be chemically-dependant or have other issues that create some instability.

The members of the Ministerial in Hay River have been approached, on average, about once a week by someone needing the basic essentials to survive and they are not equipped or prepared to support these transients. Without an adequate plan to respond to these transients and their needs, there will be a problem in our community. Potentially, crime could increase, disease could increase and, sadly, mental and emotional problems could increase.

Surely, Mr. Speaker, the government would rather be proactive about this situation and have the appropriate facilities to address this issue now rather than pay a higher price down the road.

Mr. Speaker, departments in our government are working together to plan a pipeline and part of that planning should address Hay River's requirement for plans for emergency shelter, in order to deal humanely and appropriately with transients.

Mr. Speaker, later today in question period I will have questions for Minister Miltenberger , with respect to how we, as a government, are going to respond to the needs of transient people arriving in our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Access To Aurora College Student Housing

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The principal job of an MLA is to carry the voice of their constituents into this Assembly, and today I am proud to do that on behalf of a student who is in the Aurora College Nursing Program.

Mr. Speaker, this young lady, who is a single mother, finds herself in considerable difficulty, primarily because of housing programs or policies within the college and also due to the increasing upward pressure on rent scales here in the city of Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, I am going to read to some extent from a couple of notes that I received this morning: "I am faced every month struggling to pay the rest of my rent as well as my day care fees, food, power, clothes and various other needs."

Her two-bedroom, by the way, she just received notice that it is going up to $1,300 per month. She already gets the maximum of $1,100 from student financial assistance but still has that difference to pay.

Mr. Speaker, she has tried numerous options to get further assistance but our system just does not provide for anything that she can really get a handle on. She makes the point very clear here in one policy area, Mr. Speaker. She says: "It is not fair that student housing be available to those from other communities and that us Yellowknife residents are forced to go south just to be able to afford rent while in school. I am from Yellowknife, I want to go to school here, but I can't get any help."

Mr. Speaker, we do so much already in the area of assistance for students, here in Yellowknife and in other college campuses, but I think a reality here -- because of the upward pressure on the cost of living and other circumstances that students may be in -- we still do not meet the needs of all of our people. Especially promising young women like this constituent, raised here, who went to school here all her life but now is facing probably the only solution she has, which may be to go south. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Bear River Hydro Project

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We heard during the last sitting that the government and the NWT Power Corporation are making serious efforts to investigate the feasibility of a hydro project on the Bear River. Perhaps we have millions of dollars being spent there, but we don't really know what is happening with consent from other governments. The Minister has advised us that feasibility work involving talking to potential partners, customers and whatnot is happening but, to my knowledge right now, I have no idea if the federal government is onboard with this subject.

Mr. Speaker, we are talking about $2.7 million on the Taltson, we are talking about half-a-million dollars on the Bear River that has been spent, but I have simple questions such as do we have that right over that jurisdiction that Canada governs to even start any hydro project anywhere in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, do we have Canada's support? There are many concerns about global warming and energy problems and Kyoto started yesterday, Mr. Speaker. These mega projects make a lot of sense, but there is a lot of risk involved when we deal with public money, Mr. Speaker.

These are good ideas and I support the ideas but, Mr. Speaker, I certainly hope someone from this government is testing these ideas with the federal government. At the end of the day, they can say no. If they say no, the approximately $3.4 million dollars we have spent thus far, both on the Bear and the Taltson combined, would have been money wasted without opening up that subject with Canada. Mr. Speaker, later today I will have questions for the appropriate Minister. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Deninu Kue Concerns With Exploration Activity At Pine Point

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to inform this government on some issues that my constituents in Deninu Kue have been discussing over the past couple of days. Their concerns are related to some exploration activity that has been underway in the Pine Point area by a company called Tamberlane Ventures Incorporated.

Mr. Speaker, the frustration by residents of Deninu Kue at last night's meeting was not limited to the fact that there is some economic activity in the immediate area and no one from the community has been hired, but for the fact that the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board has approved these land use permits to this company without prior notification or consultation with any of the Deninu Kue community organizations.

Mr. Speaker, the exploration activity would likely have gone forward without any community involvement or concerns had the exploration company not made one mistake and that being, they did not receive or request any notification from the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board about any trapping going on in the area in question, primarily due to the fact that the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board probably did not know this fact themselves.

Mr. Speaker, two local trappers went to check their traplines in this area and were appalled to find several kilometres of road recently dozed, some crossing their traplines at several locations, and at one

section the dozer actually followed the trapper's skidoo trail down his line, dozed up all his traps he had there and then carried on without a thought of the damage he just caused to someone's livelihood, wherein trapping around the Deninu Kue area is considered a fundamental means of providing food and shelter for families because of the high unemployment in the community.

Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I want to stress the importance of ensuring that the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board strictly adhere to the four principles of public involvement in the guidelines for development applications to the board. All the attributes of proper public involvement, such as transparency, inclusiveness, respect and reasonableness, have been breached in this instance. Mr.

Speaker, I do not want to see the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board become complacent with some of the decisions they felt they have been adequately formulated and well thought out because some of these decisions they make may not always seem adequate or justifiable to the people who have to live with them. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Lack Of Social Programs And Services In Small Communities

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my Member's statement has to do with the lack of services and programs in small communities in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker, and the high percentage of population in the smaller communities. Mr. Speaker, in smaller communities we lack the services of qualified social service workers and most of the services that social services gives are on an as-needed basis. Like in Colville Lake we only deal in isolation, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the increase of alcoholic rate instances seems to have more and more of a devastating effect on these smaller communities because of the number of people. Yet, in most of the small communities, Mr. Speaker, we don't have drug and alcohol workers to deal with these issues on a consistent and daily basis. Mr. Speaker, in the small communities we seem to be dealing on an emergency basis only. Like the example we had in Colville Lake last year where they had the TB scare and all of a sudden we had the nurses and Department of Health and Social Services come in there and stay there for months. Mr.

Speaker, we need to get away from these emergency situations and deal with them in a good manner.

Mr. Speaker, we in our small communities are experiencing an increase of economic development activity, especially with a project like the Mackenzie Valley pipeline. We need help to review the projects, such as the people from Fort Good Hope said that we need the money to look at the work that is going into the Mackenzie Valley project. Mr. Speaker, the small communities are dealing with their alcohol issues. Again, like Fort Good Hope, they did a voluntary ban to keep alcohol out of the community and other communities that are dry. Mr.

Speaker, that leads into the presence of RCMP in our communities, like I said last year in Colville Lake when they asked for the RCMP to make their presence known because of a high increase of alcohol coming through that community.

For these small communities, Mr. Speaker, as an MLA we fight for these things that other communities deserve. They talk about our roads. Our roads are really dusty in our communities. In large centres they're paved, they're well maintained and they take it for granted. That's what we think in small communities.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Yakeleya , your time for your Member's statement has expired.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I seek unanimous consent to conclude.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I ask this government to do the honourable thing and give the little people what they deserve. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Support For The National Childcare Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in search of a champion for national childcare in our Cabinet and our government, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week I got up and spoke excitedly about the possibilities of a new day in the National Childcare Program or early childhood learning currently being talked about at the national level. By the time I finished asking questions in the House, Mr. Speaker, it was as if we were talking about something awful; as if he was dead before he even started, Mr. Speaker. Mr.

Speaker, I can appreciate that the Minister wants to be cautious and not be too optimistic, but he's carrying this defensiveness a little too far and I don't approve of this approach, Mr. Speaker. More importantly, I believe our young residents in the NWT expect and deserve to demand better.

Mr. Speaker, I want him and other Ministers at the national table to fight for our children like Danny Williams fought for the share of oil revenue, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I would like him to fight for our children like we fight for our resource revenue and devolution so far. We need a champion at the national level and we need to put this childcare agenda in a very aggressive manner.

Mr. Speaker, this summer, the Social Programs committee had the opportunity to visit Whitehorse and visit their early childhood development centre. That facility provides comprehensive care for the children of all learning spectrums, from regular learning needs as well as the college's speech therapists and audiologists. I don't see why we cannot have that sort of facility in Yellowknife and all major centres of the North.

If we could get the kind of money and support from the federal government and from this agenda, we could have this and double up the funding. I know the Minister has a very careful and quiet approach, but I want to see him on the national TV on national news and...

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

...I want him to fight tooth and nail...

---Applause

...like Premiers and Ministers did for health care funding, for road funding, for everything. So I'm expecting that, Mr. Speaker, and I'll be watching. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Member's statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Increasing Threat Of Diabetes

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know there are many health challenges in our territory and it's overwhelming for all of us at times, but one I'm not sure we speak about enough is diabetes. This is a very dangerous and debilitating disease and, unfortunately, we are seeing increasing numbers of people being diagnosed with it and they're getting younger and younger, Mr. Speaker. For aboriginal people a lot of this is related to the changes in lifestyle that have happened since we changed from our traditional ways to more non-active living and unhealthy eating habits.

Years ago people lived off only the healthy foods provided by the land and there was no such thing as a non-active lifestyle. You did not see these numbers of diabetes back then.

Mr. Speaker, it's very important that the government have programs in place to teach people, especially youth, about nutrition and the importance of exercise and active living. Young people need to know the consequences of not taking care of themselves. It is also important that people do what they can to stay in shape and eat healthy. Many people, Mr. Speaker, do not know they have the disease, so it's important they go to their health centre and get tested so they do not go too long without treatment if they do have diabetes. Often, if it is caught early, exercises and changes in diet can be enough to reverse it. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Committee Report 12-15(3): Report On The Review Of The Report Of The Chief Electoral Officer On The Administration Of The 2003 General Election

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased to rise today to report on the Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures' consideration of the Chief Electoral Officer's report on the administration of the 2003 General Election.

The Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures conducted a public review of the report of the CEO and the administration of the 2003 election over the course of three months, from November 4, 2004, to January 26, 2005.

The committee met first with the Chief Electoral Officer in November and solicited public feedback through extensive advertising in northern newspapers before convening again on January 26 to consider submissions. Mr. Speaker, there were no respondents.

The committee then met with the acting Chief Electoral Officer for a final consideration of the report and its recommendations.

These recommendations and the committee's comments and endorsements are as follows.

Recommendation

That the Elections Act be amended to provide that the first Monday in October be the permanent election day in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, there was broad support on committee for setting a permanent election date. There was some discussion on whether the first Monday of October was the appropriate date. But the advantages of better weather and daylight during the campaign, avoiding

conflict with municipal election dates and the certainty of a fixed election date for planning purposes for the GNWT and any prospective candidate outweigh the disadvantages.

The one downside that was identified by committee was that once every four years the Legislative Assembly would lose the ability to do a comprehensive review of the government's business plans.

The Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures endorses the first Monday of October as the permanent territorial election day.

Recommendation

That a comprehensive review of the Elections Act be undertaken and that a new act be presented to the Legislative Assembly for consideration; and

That the Plebiscite Act be repealed and the provisions for the administration of plebiscites and referendums be integrated into a new Elections Act.

Mr. Speaker, the committee noted the Elections Act has been amended several times and is in need of update and consolidation. The committee agrees with the recommendations to repeal the Plebiscite Act and consolidate its provisions in the new Elections Act.

Mr. Speaker, while the Plebiscite Act has been used rarely, the last time was in 1992, it is almost identical to the Elections Act. For administrative and reference purposes it's inclusion as a separate

section of the Elections Act is recommended.

The committee endorses the rewriting of the Elections Act and consolidation of the Plebiscite Act into the new Elections Act.

Recommendation

That the Chief Electoral Officer in partnership with this Legislative Assembly and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment develop a web-based interactive educational site and curriculum on election preparation for use in the schools.

Members noted that electoral participation in the Northwest Territories is traditionally higher than mainstream Canada, particularly in small communities. However, recent studies in southern Canada show that young people's participation in the electoral process has declined dramatically. We need to encourage young people to vote and exercise their franchise.

The committee endorses the development of educational programs that encourage voter participation by young people.

Recommendation

That a review be undertaken to consider the efficiencies and sharing of resources that could occur with the office of Chief Electoral Officer assuming the administrative responsibility for elections of community governments under the Local Authorities Elections Act.

The committee notes that the expertise exists in the office of the Chief Electoral Officer to assume the administrative responsibility for the municipal elections. With the exception of once every four years, when the territorial election occurs, Members do not see a reason existing staff could not administer municipal elections.

The committee endorses the office of the CEO examining the potential of taking on the responsibility for the administration of municipal elections.

Other Issues Discussed

Many of the issues Members heard expressed during the last election campaign, such as lowering the voting age to 16, electing a Premier -at-large, and tightening up candidates residency and eligibility requirements, are outside the scope of this report and may possibly be addressed during the legislative process that will occur when reviewing the Elections Act.

Some Members noted the

interpretation of the provisions of the current legislation relating to the access of candidates to apartment buildings during elections is too literal and needs to be clarified so that candidates' access to the electorate is not impeded during the campaign period.

Acknowledgements

Mr. Speaker, the Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures gratefully acknowledges the advice, assistance and cooperation of the former Chief Electoral Officer, Mr. David Hamilton, and the acting Chief Electoral Officer, Mr. Glen McLean, in the course of our review.

Mr. Speaker, that concludes the report of the Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures on the review of the report of the Chief Electoral Officer on the administration of the 2003 General Election.

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Motion To Receive Committee Report 12-15(3) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , that Committee Report 12-15(3) be received by the Assembly and moved into Committee of the Whole for consideration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Motion To Receive Committee Report 12-15(3) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . A motion is on the floor. The motion is in order. The motion is non-debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Report 12-15(3) will be moved into Committee of the Whole. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees.

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Speaker's Statement

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Members, before I go into the next item on the order paper, oral questions, I would like to bring the Members' attention to something that came out of the House proceedings yesterday. I watched the House proceedings on TV last night to reaffirm my suspicions or feelings when I came out of the House last night. I would like to take this opportunity to remind Members of a number of things that have tended to be forgotten over the course of the last few days.

To begin with, I would like to point out that your rules allow for one of the most generous question periods in the Commonwealth...

---Applause

...one that permits as many questions in an hour as you can fit in to any of the Ministers of the government on any matter within their collective areas of responsibility. Used efficiently, your question period could be unparalleled among parliamentary jurisdictions.

However, having said that, I would like to note specific patterns and habits that Members have fallen into that detract significantly from an effective, efficient and productive question period.

Members continue to initiate questions with extremely long

preambles. Your oral question guidelines, found in your copies of the Rules of the Legislative Assembly, provide for a very brief

preamble to the initial question only. In addition, parliamentary authorities define a question

preamble as not exceeding one carefully-drawn sentence. Supplementary questions should not require, nor are they permitted, any

preamble. I know Members are aware that almost every supplementary question asked in the House contains a lengthy

preamble. Often, such

preambles constitute points of debate and occasionally they could even be construed as Members' statements.

I have also been aware of a habit that has become prevalent among Members in the course of their questions of posing a recognizable question and then continuing with added comments and statements before posing the question again, or at times posing a very different question or questions. This leads to the practice that some Members employ for asking more than one question at a time. The Chair has several options or remedies in dealing with this transgression that I will relate to you in due course.

So as not to leave out our government Members...

---Applause

I would like to comment on some areas respecting responses to questions. I would like to remind Members that under your rules, a Minister has three options when responding to an oral question: he or she may answer the question as briefly and succinctly as possible; take the question as notice to be answered on a subsequent day; or say nothing.

---Laughter

---Applause

It is your Chair's considered opinion that answers, like questions, tend to be longer than they need be and Members often feel the need to respond to each other on the points of debate, which detracts from the true essence of question period: that seeking of information from the government. If all Members approach oral question period with only this objective in mind, I think the result will be for a far more productive hour for all Members and our constituents.

On the matter of Members asking more than one question at a time, your Chair has been lenient in merely reminding Members that more than one question was asked. Other options include treating each question the Chair hears as a supplementary question, referring only one question to the Minister, or ruling the question out of order.

Finally, I would like to note a recent yet fairly subsequent occurrence of Members standing to pose a supplementary question and using the opportunity to make a statement instead. The Chair reviews such abuses of the rules as a serious matter and a waste of time for the House and the Members.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Members, the value of your question period is up to you. As your chair, I will endeavour to remain vigilant, but I am sure you would all prefer a light touch rather than a heavy-handed approach. So I will leave it to you to observe your rules more stringently and exercise a greater measure of restraint in crafting both your questions and your answers. Thank you, Members.

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---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

With that we will go into the next item on order papers. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are directed to...Mr. Speaker, some of the Members have indicated they want to recognize someone in the gallery. Would you like me to hold on? That's my question gone.

---Laughter

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

My apologies, Members. I went out of turn on the order paper. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a long-time friend and constituent of mine, Peppy, more formally known as Philip Beaulieu, his common-law wife, Faye, her daughter Olga, who will be a familiar face here next week in the House, and his mom, Lizzie, and a friend of theirs Brendan Boucher, and last but not least, my constituency assistant, Dora. Welcome.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't see quite from here, but I noticed in the gallery a few minutes ago a constituent of mine and an advocate for the care of workers through the WCB, my constituent, Mr. John Huffman. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I'd like to again welcome my daughter and her family into the gallery today and any other Members that may not have been

mentioned during recognition of visitors in the gallery. Welcome to the House.

---Applause

Now, see if we got it right. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 407-15(3): Shelter Needed For Transient Workers

Item 7: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, when it comes to issues of shelter, there are many concerns which face our communities. Emergency shelter is typically something temporary provided in unusual circumstances such as family violence. There's an issue of hard-to-house people who may have difficulty managing their finances or are undesirable tenants for some reason. There's the homeless. They are people who generally can't afford or find accommodation. But today, Mr.

Speaker, I want to ask the Minister responsible about the issue of transients. We have had the situation in Hay River of transients showing up in the community and there is no protocol at this time to meet their needs for shelter and food. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, is he aware of any protocol that has been developed by this government with respect to transients? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, that question was more with income support, so I'd like to ask that be referred to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 7: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in Hay River transient assistance is available for three nights' accommodation and $25 a day for those three days when it is needed by somebody who is a transient. That's provided through the Income Support office and program. For homelessness, that would be Mr. Miltenberger that would be involved; but when it comes to dealing with transients, it is an issue that is dealt with through income support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To be clear, I am talking about transients, not homelessness. Mr. Speaker, my question then is, since this program is available for three nights' accommodation plus $25 a day for food, where is the point of contact within the community for transients when they arrive in Hay River? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The current point of contact would be with an income support worker. They would be able to help an individual. We used to have a local agency that was delivering the program but, unfortunately they are no longer able to deliver it. We would be interested in finding another agency in the community that was interested.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister then how a transient would be aware of who to contact, or even how another agency within the community would have knowledge of this information? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the past, the program has been delivered by the Ministerial Association. I would hope that members of that association would know that they should refer someone who they might know needs assistance to the income support worker. If there's an issue with people not knowing who to contact, I'd be happy to have our department look into how we can better make that known.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Your final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I think that awareness would be very good. My final question then, Mr. Speaker, would be is the income support worker on call 24 hours a day, seven days a week? Because obviously there's no predictability or set time at which a transient arrives in Hay River. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, the income support workers in Hay River are not available 24 hours a day. However, the program could be made available through the regional supervisor in Fort Smith. So I guess we need to make sure that people need to know how to contact that person evenings and weekends. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent and Mrs. Groenewegen . A very good example of how question period should go.

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Question 408-15(3): Deton'cho Corporation Access To The Sandpits

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to revisit questions that I had asked the other day to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs with regard to the granting of access to the Deton'Cho Corporation to access a portion of land within municipal boundaries referred to as the sandpits. I'd like to understand a little bit more about how the decision-making process occurred. I know the Minister on Tuesday made reference to the fact that his consultations included Aboriginal Affairs. I'd like the Minister to describe exactly what the consultation was with Aboriginal Affairs with regard to Deton'Cho getting access to this parcel of land. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first of all I should clarify that there has been no permission to occupy this land. The permission was solely to do some geotechnical work, some early soil sampling. In the meeting with the Yellowknives Dene First Nations that was held along with Aboriginal Affairs, we had a discussion about their intentions. It should be noted that the application has not come to us for lease of this property or for purchase of this property. That has gone to the City of Yellowknife.

The request was made to us for an opportunity to get in early to see what the land was like, to see if the soil was suitable, and we agreed to do that. We insisted and we had a thorough discussion about the process that has to be followed and that has to go to the City of Yellowknife. That's where we left off. It was an open discussion. We had Aboriginal Affairs there and the Yellowknives Dene and ourselves. The notification went to the City of Yellowknife, as well as all correspondence was cc'd to them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister who from Aboriginal Affairs was present at this meeting with the Yellowknives Dene. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I don't remember all the staff that were there. The Minister of Aboriginal Affairs was there, along with myself and some staff. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , who is also the Premier , was there -- whose constituents happen to be the Deton'Cho Corporation and the Yellowknives Dene -- can the Minister answer this question? Would he find the Premier in a compromising position having to be the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and also deal with you on this land acquisition issue? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . That's asking the Minister for an opinion. I don't think I will get the Minister to answer that. I'll ask you to rephrase the question. Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , was the Premier involved in this decision? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, the request came to myself, as the Minister of MACA , to consider allowing the Yellowknives Dene to access this property so they could do some testing. I had some discussion with our staff and looked at the situation. We thought it would make sense to allow them to take a look at this property and do some sampling while the application was going through the process, because it was indicated to us that if the land wasn't suitable, then they would move away from this project and if it was suitable, then they would pursue it through the city for a lease. We didn't see anything wrong with that.

It's not something new; we've done it in other situations. The city and the Yellowknives Dene have had some early discussions; they've had agreement that they're going to be presenting their proposal to the city on the 21st. There has to be discussion around whether this could be included as part of the Yellowknives development plan. There has to be discussion on whether or not the city will allow changes to the zoning. All of those things have to take place. What we've done is we've allowed the Yellowknives Dene access so they can do some testing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, Mr. Minister, for your short response, but my question was what was the Premier 's involvement in this decision. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and the Minister didn't answer that. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure the Premier was wearing his Premier 's hat that day, but he certainly was wearing his Minister's hat as the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , and the discussions were initially set up because we have a commitment to meet with the political

leaders on a regular basis -- with the Yellowknives Dene and the city and Aboriginal Affairs along with MACA -- and we meet on a regular basis to discuss land issues around Yellowknife because there are a lot of challenges about having some of these applications processed and developing a system that would be satisfactory to everybody. So we have regular meetings. We meet, if not every month, every second month. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday I was invited by the Minister of MACA over to the Mackenzie Youth Conference in Fort Providence and I was very pleased to be there...

---Applause

In fact, begging the Chair's indulgence, I would like to wish them good luck for the next couple of days. We were there to encourage the youth to follow their dreams and a component of the delegation was from Nahendeh -- specifically from the community of Nahanni Butte, Mr. Speaker -- and they too have a dream: to have their own gymnasium.

---Laughter

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Hear! Hear!

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Will the Minister tell this Assembly and the community of Nahanni Butte what is being done to achieve their dream of getting a gymnasium for Nahanni Butte? Mahsi cho.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think I've answered this question in several different ways already, but we have this year been fortunate to access some new dollars, some federal dollars. Along with our new budget, we were looking at adding to or supporting our new deal initiative with some capital dollars. We have had some discussions already with the NWT Association of Communities as to how we would allocate these dollars. We're looking at the criteria and the guidelines that we'd be using. That's as far as we've gone so far. We're anticipating to do a lot more strategizing and have more meetings in the next little while. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All I hear is words; I'd like to see some action by this government.

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Ohhh.

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Can the Minister tell this Member what is actually being done to plan the gymnasium in Nahanni Butte? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, considering all the hours I've spent on all these initiatives I would say there is plenty of action happening by a number of different organizations, including us as a government. The Member is asking us what we're doing specifically on Nahanni Butte. We're not doing anything specifically on Nahanni Butte.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

We are looking at the recreation facilities in the small communities. We are looking at bringing forward maybe some emphasis on priorities in communities that are land-locked and maybe need a little more attention in terms of recreation facilities; for example, such as Nahanni Butte and gymnasiums in communities such as those. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, this again frustrates me because this is the real need brought up from the communities, and government just is not responding once again. Yet again they are not responding, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to know how communities get involved in the capital planning process to get their needs met. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is asking me to make a commitment outside of a process that we have that's established. The first step in the community's desire to put their initiatives forward in terms of capital projects is to have discussions with the regional staff. That has happened. There have been a number of avenues where the Member and the community have made their views known. We recognize that, we've noted it, we have had some discussions about it already about how to deal with the smaller communities that require capital infrastructure and we're looking at

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm a realist and I don't expect a magic wand from the Minister. However, I do expect that realistically at least we can do some engineering studies and a Class 'A' estimate for this community. Does the community have the ability to direct these bureaucrats to at least cost this gymnasium out? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm glad to hear that the Member is supportive of us looking at some of these initiatives and a lot of this stuff is built into our budget. So I'm anticipating this Member will be supporting our budget and our request for some dollars for planning for this year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 410-15(3): Access To Aurora College Student Housing

Item 7: Oral Questions

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, my questions this afternoon are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment and they relate to the Student Financial Assistance Program. Mr. Speaker, why are housing assistance policies for Aurora College students not adjusted for private sector rent increases? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Student Financial Assistance Program is reviewed on a regular basis to examine whether or not the amount that is available to students is adequate. I know, from the case the Member mentioned this morning, it sounds like there may be an issue with the rates we're allowing for housing. It's certainly something I'll have to have a look at. Unfortunately, I didn't get notice of this until just before session. I haven't had a chance to talk to the department about what we can do to review the amounts that we have in our program right now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to this topic, at the Aurora College campus here in Yellowknife, housing is made available by policy only to out-of-town students. Why do we discriminate against Yellowknife students who might have exactly the same housing needs and situations as out-of-town students? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, housing is a problem at all three of the Aurora College campuses and it's an issue that the college board has raised with me time and again; unfortunately, because of our fiscal situation, we have not been able to deal with it. The board has urged me to try and find a way to work with this government and increase the amount of housing available at all three campuses, but it is certainly something that we would like to do.

Based on the limited number of spaces that we had, the college took a look at the program offerings and decided that they had to find some restrictions for the housing that was available. They chose to limit the housing as they have. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, it seems that for our students going to the Aurora College campus in Yellowknife, if they need housing we make them go through at least two sets of policies and rules and paperwork; one being through the Student Financial Assistance Program and the other being the college's own administration of housing. Is there any way that we could possibly streamline this and make it easier for students to find out their options and get the service they need? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a good point. It's something that we should certainly try and do. The difficulty we find is that because there isn't enough housing provided by the college for all of the students who want it, we have almost a dual-stream system. If we had enough housing, it would be easy to solve or if we had no housing, we could adjust the SFA amounts to deal with community rents. So it is an issue, we understand that and we will look at it. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has acknowledged that at all three campuses there are critical housing situations. Is there any program or any assessment underway right now, Mr. Speaker, that could give this Assembly some guidance on what we need to do about it? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The college board has provided me with some advice as to the ranking by order of priority for providing housing and the Aurora Campus is next on the priority list, but the board has said that all three campuses are in urgent need of more housing. It's an issue that they would like us to deal with very urgently, but we have to work it into our capital plan.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 411-15(3): High Cost Of Living In Small Communities

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is to the Premier of the Northwest Territories, the Honourable Joe Handley . Mr. Speaker, in my travels in the Sahtu, I met with community members and the elders and they want to know what this government will be doing or whether it has any plans in terms of helping them with the high cost of living in small communities. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, a lot of our programs are aimed at helping people in the North with the high cost of living. Those include our housing initiatives, efforts we're making on hydro development, the lower cost form of energy, income support programs and there are many in the government, Mr. Speaker, that I would put into the category of helping keep down the cost of living. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are 199 elders in the Sahtu region. Of these elders, 87 are living in private homes. The roads are a vital link to the Sahtu region. Mr. Speaker, two litres of milk in Tulita costs $4.99, a dozen eggs costs $3.09. Mr. Speaker, to have scrambled eggs for breakfast costs about $7.78.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, I'm asking the Premier whether his government is looking at all these programs to help us with the high cost of living. Again, I know there are programs that we have, but would he consider looking at programs that would increase the subsidies in the small communities for the high cost of living? Mahsi.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned, we have a lot of programs that are aimed at managing or keeping down the cost of living: the fuel subsidy, the power subsidy, income support, tax relief for seniors, rent subsidies. So we have a whole range of them, Mr. Speaker. We are continually looking at the cost of living and I'm sure as we begin our plans for the next business plans, we'll continue to see whether or not there are ways of doing this. Any recommendations suggested by Members are certainly taken seriously. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the government's initiatives and all the programs they have in place to keep the costs down in these small communities. Again, I'm asking the Premier if he would look in his departments with this government and look at starting an initiative that would bring these costs down more than what they are in light of all the development that's happening in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the answer to that is yes. In addition to the measures we currently have, what's in our current budget that's before this House, we will continue to look at it as we prepare the next business plans. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister's comments. The people in the small communities should be happy. I would ask the Minister, would he consider looking at starting with the food costs as, again, two litres of milk in Tulita costs about $3.99. A gallon of ice cream in Norman Wells costs $10.15. Would he look at these costs of food, starting with a food subsidy in our small communities? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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