Debates of March 13th, 2002

This is page numbers 597 - 648 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Premier Absent From The House

Northern Mines Ministers Conference

Operation Of The Stanton Regional Hospital Ct Scan Machine

Northern Pipeline Development

Hay River North Arctic Winter Games Participants

Access To Business Programs And Services In Small Communities

Tu Nedhe Arctic Winter Games Participants

Replacement Of Wha Ti Community Hall

Reflections On The Passing Of Chris Argue

Families With Special Needs Children

Daffodil Days -- Canadian Cancer Society Fundraising Campaign

Thebacha Arctic Winter Games Participants

Inuvik Twin Lakes Mid-term Review

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Ct Scan Operating Personnel

Pipeline Infrastructure Development Options

Business Program Review Committee

Quarterly Contracting Reports

Criteria For Harvesters' Support

Special Needs Support To Families

Wha Ti Community Hall Replacement

Ministerial Arctic Winter Games Travel

Medical Travel Insurance

Priorities For Pipeline Development

Diamonds Allocated To Northern Manufacturers

Status Of H.h. Williams Hospital Employees

Written Question 2-14(5): Travel By Ministers And Senior Staff

Tabled Document 24-14(5): Inter-activity Transfers Exceeding $250,000 With Departments, April 1, 2001 To January 31, 2002

Tabled Document 25-14(5): "falling Through The Cracks" -- A Single Mother's Personal Account Of Accessing GNWT Social Programs

Tabled Document 26-14(5): Yellowknifer Newspaper

Article Entitled "severance Deals Referred To Auditor", March 13, 2002

Extended Adjournment Of The House To June 11, 2002

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Track Student Debt Load (carried)

Recommendation To Offer Support To Local Day Care Operators (carried)

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2001-2002

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Roger Allen , Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Mr. Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Mr. Roland , Honourable Vince Steen , Honourable Tony Whitford .

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 597

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Allen . Please be seated. Good afternoon, colleagues. Before we begin today's agenda, I wish to provide my ruling on the point of order raised on March 12, 2002 by the honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .

Speaker's Ruling

Prior to addressing this specific point of order I would like to make some comment on the purpose of a point of order, since we have had a number of those points of order in the last session and again in this session. A point of order is a question raised by a Member who believes that the rules or customary procedures of the House have been incorrectly applied or overlooked during the proceedings. Members may rise on points of order to bring to the attention of the Chair any breach of the relevance or repetition of the rules, unparliamentary remarks or any of our rules.

Members are able to do so at virtually any time in the proceedings, provided the point of order is raised and concisely argued as soon as the irregularity occurs or as soon as practicable thereafter.

As a point of order concerns the

interpretation of the rules, it is the responsibility of the Speaker, or Chair in committee of the whole, to determine its merits and to resolve the issue. Although Members frequently rise claiming a point of order, genuine points of order rarely occur. Indeed, points of order are often used by Members in an attempt to gain the floor to participate in debate, and in such cases, the Speaker will not allow the Member intervening to continue. This is the reason that when a Member is recognized on a point of order, you should only state which rule or practice you consider has been breached.

Our rules provide for brief debate on the point of order at the Speaker or Chair's discretion. I wish to advise that the Chairs have a responsibility to ensure impartiality and fairness when considering a point of order and will hear from Members if it is not clear whether a breach has occurred. When a point of order is raised, the Speaker attempts to rule on the matter immediately. However, if necessary, the matter may be taken under advisement and the Chair will come back to the House later with a formal ruling.

As has been the case, there are occasions that when hearing the point of order, I do not need to reserve on my decision but can rule at the time of the occurrence. When this happens, I am of the view that this assists the House in dealing with its deliberations without being hampered by debate on points of order and waiting for a ruling. Once the Speaker's decision is rendered, the matter is no longer open to debate or discussion and the ruling cannot be appealed to the House.

I would now like to provide my ruling on the point of order raised by the honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley , with respect to remarks made by the honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee , on March 11, 2002. The statements in question are, referring to unedited Hansard, page 1229:

The point that I was making is that -- and I have stated in there that I am not saying that the Minister did any wrong-doing or anything like that -- but it is the Minister who put this into the supplementary appropriation, and the headline on Friday said $500,000 for the pay out. That came from a public document, which is Supp 3.

If it is true, as he has been saying, that he knows his obligations under this contract and that he was not to do anything that would reveal it, for him to have put into a supplementary appropriation is a ground for questioning his conduct.

In raising the point of order, the honourable Member referred to Rules 23(

h) and 23(i), which state:

23 In debate, a Member will be called to order by the Speaker if the Member:

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h) makes allegations against another Member, a House officer or a witness;

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i) imputes false or hidden motives to another Member.

The Member for Weledeh , in making his point of order, stated that the information put forward by the Member for Range Lake was both factually incorrect, in that the Supp 3 was not for $500,000 but for $695,000 or so, and that he had a statutory obligation as Minister of Finance to put into the supplementary appropriations anything that is going to require additional spending. That appropriation is put in there because the Department of the Executive does not have the money to handle it.

Mr. Handley also stated in speaking to the point of order, and I quote from page 1239 of unedited Hansard, "She ( Ms. Lee ) is clearly imputing motives to me and second, is questioning my integrity."

I find that the statement of the Member for Range Lake does question the integrity and motives of Mr. Handley , and further suggests that in bringing forward the Supplementary Appropriation No. 3, he was doing so in a manner which breached confidential agreements.

I reviewed the comments of the honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee , in speaking to the point of order and found she did not offer any comment that would convince me to rule otherwise.

Therefore I rule that the honourable Member for Weledeh has a point of order; the statements made by the Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee , being a contravention of Rules 23(

h) and (

i) of the Rules of the Legislative Assembly. Such questioning of integrity is a serious matter with respect to any Member of this House, but it is particularly serious to level such allegations at the Minister of Finance , who has specific and statutory duties to this House. I therefore ask the Member for Range Lake whether she is prepared to retract the offending statements. Ms. Lee .

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have no problem with retracting the offending statement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

The House will then consider that statement retracted. This ends the matter. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Deputy Premier , Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 38-14(5): Premier Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House for the remainder of this week to participate in the GLOBE 2002 Conference in Vancouver, British Columbia. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 38-14(5): Premier Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 39-14(5): Northern Mines Ministers Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, on April 4th, I will be co-chairing the first Northern Mines Ministers Conference in Yellowknife with Robert Nault, the federal Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development.

My counterparts in the Yukon and Nunavut agree there is a need to develop a healthy northern mining industry that will strengthen business and employment opportunities for northern communities and aboriginal people. This conference will provide an opportunity to review the key issues facing the northern mining industry in the North and to develop a plan to encourage northern mineral investment.

The conference will include a morning session with presentations from key stakeholders. Representatives from aboriginal economic development corporations, the National Round Table on the Environment and Economy, and mining companies such as BHP Billiton and Diavik have been invited to attend the session. A closed session in the afternoon will allow the Ministers to hold government-to-government discussions.

Mr. Speaker, the mining industry has been an important sector of our economy for many years. The Northwest Territories has the potential for new mineral discoveries. This government supports the responsible development of our mineral resources. We know key policy and investment initiatives are needed for balanced development to occur. I believe the Northern Mines Ministers Conference is a first step in ensuring this occurs. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Operation Of The Stanton Regional Hospital Ct Scan Machine

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to talk about the tremendous contribution being made by the CT scan machine at the Stanton hospital in serving every resident in the Northwest Territories, as well as the hundreds of thousands of dollars it is saving the Government of the Northwest Territories and the taxpayers.

As you are well aware, Mr. Speaker, this machine was purchased with the $2.3 million raised by the Stanton Hospital Foundation about three years ago. We were also fortunate to obtain a mammography and two colour ultrasound machines at the same time.

In its very short life, the statistics on the performance of this machine are absolutely astounding. I have learned that the machine has seen about 3,000 people and has taken approximately 1.2 million images. I am also advised that the cost of each visit, or a person seen by this machine, is calculated at between $500 and $800.

Mr. Speaker, before we had this machine, we had to send out residents to Edmonton or other centres to get the CT scans done. The simple math will tell us that just in cost savings for the actual procedure of taking the images, we have saved upwards of $1.5 million. If we added the cost of travel, accommodations and incidentals that Health would have paid to send all these people south, we are talking about millions in savings. This machine has paid for itself over and over again. It is the money from the private residents and corporate donors that has made this possible.

Mr. Speaker, I have also learned that about 10 to 15 percent of the work being done with this scan machine is done on behalf of the Government of Nunavut, which is billed back to the Government of Nunavut. All in all, this has become a cash cow for the government, probably adding to its current surplus.

Mr. Speaker, I am afraid I must report the less than perfect ending to this story. I have also learned there is only one person funded to run this machine, and only one person has been doing it since its inception. I do not know of any other position in the Territories that places such a burden on one person.

Furthermore, Mr. Speaker, I have learned that there is no program or resources in place at the moment that would provide for training of additional people to operate this machine, other than the very basic...

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Ms. Lee , your time for your Member's statement has ended. Ms. Lee .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Ms. Lee .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, lack of training and resources for training means that when this person has to be absent for any reason, this machine is not being used at optimal capacity. This should raise serious questions in our mind. Why is the government not funding more money to find more people to run this machine? There is a waiting list for the procedure, so it cannot be that there is no demand.

Besides, the machine is capable of running more than eight hours per day, but having one person staffed to operate the machine and do all the paperwork, we are really not recognizing the value of this machine or the person who operates it. Most of all, the tremendous cost savings that this machine is accruing to the government and our health system.

Mr. Speaker, I urge the Minister to look at this situation. The residents and corporate donors have done their part. It is now time for the Minister and the government to do their share. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be pursuing questions on this matter later. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Northern Pipeline Development

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak on the issue around economic development, especially pipelines. Mr. Speaker, coming from a region that a number of years ago was considered to be on the brink of shutdown, the community of Inuvik, when after the last oil and gas boom in the Delta, the oil companies had shut down and pulled out. The Canadian Forces Services shut down the base there. Then, the Government of the Northwest Territories started pulling out positions.

You could walk down the streets of Inuvik and you would rarely run into anyone with excitement and a jump in their footsteps. Nowadays, we have that, Mr. Speaker. Again, it is because of the private sector and somewhat to this government as well.

Mr. Speaker, the issue around pipelines, as we know, there is a real push in the Northwest Territories now for development and developing a pipeline that would go down the valley. Involved in that is the aboriginal people of the Northwest Territories, who were not before. Twenty-five years ago when the Berger Inquiry went around the valley and said no more development until the people are ready to go, Mr. Speaker, the people of the Delta have been able to take advantage of what they have been able to do over the last 25 years.

Yet we now have people in the business sector involved in joint ventures with a lot of the companies. Mr. Speaker, I think that potential is there throughout the Northwest Territories if we take the right steps.

One of the concerns that I would have, Mr. Speaker, is again because I am up from the northern part of this country, is that we are ready to go and different places in the Northwest Territories, the groups are at different levels of self-government discussions and land claims. That could once again possibly shut the door.

I think we need to get information out there for ourselves and residents of the Northwest Territories to ensure that we have all the information, the accurate information, when it comes to dealing with these mega-projects. I will have questions for the appropriate Minister during question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .

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Hay River North Arctic Winter Games Participants

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from March 17th to the 23rd, athletes and coaches from across the Northwest Territories will gather in Iqaluit, Nunavut, and Nuuk, Greenland, to participate in the 17th annual Arctic Winter Games.

In the past few weeks, Mr. Speaker, we have seen a lot of hype on TV about the Olympics. Although these Games might not match the same calibre as the Olympics that we have seen on TV, as far as our northern athletes are concerned, these are our Olympic Games.

I am a very strong supporter of the Arctic Winter Games, Mr. Speaker, having been involved with them for many years. My first involvement with the Games was back during the 5th Arctic Winter Games in 1978. At that time, I took

part in moving athletes and spectators back and forth between Pine Point and Hay River, probably the only passenger train service that was ever available in the Northwest Territories. The passenger train was called the Inukshuk Express, and I have many fond memories of that train.

Mr. Speaker, it takes a lot of commitment and dedication from many organizations, athletes, coaches, volunteers and administrators to make the Arctic Winter Games a success. Of course, I cannot forget the parents. They play a very large role in transporting athletes, billeting, helping at camps and supporting our athletes as they go through the regional trials and at the Games themselves.

I want to commend and congratulate everyone involved in making the 17th annual Arctic Winter Games possible. I would especially like to congratulate the following athletes from my constituency: Meagan Cooke, ice hockey; Meagan Delorey, basketball; Rick Leonard, wrestling; Corey Coady, ice hockey; Danny Brown, ice hockey; Jeremy Planidin, ice hockey; Joey Hiebert, ice hockey; Erin Hiebert, volleyball; Danny Jackson, wrestling; Kris Desjarlais, ice hockey; Andy McKay, Dene Games; and Matthew Davies, cross country skiing.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to remind these athletes about the Games, what they are and what they stand for, and I would like to wish them all the best. I would like to quote the words of Minister Vince Steen : "The Arctic Winter Games are not only an athletic competition, but also an international celebration of friendship under the banner of sportsmanship and fair play. Our athletes are encouraged and supported to do their...

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Mr. Delorey , the time for your Member's statement has ended. Mr. Delorey .

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his important statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Delorey .

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, colleagues. "Our athletes are encouraged and supported to do their best as representatives of the Northwest Territories at this international competition."

Mr. Speaker, I would like to wish the athletes and everyone involved in the Arctic Winter Games success and hope they make many lasting friendships. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Access To Business Programs And Services In Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time, I would like to bring attention to the matter of access to development capital, access to loans and access to basic business services in the communities outside the major centres.

Mr. Speaker, I have previously brought this matter to the attention of this government and I see the need to once again raise the issue. The Business Program Review Committee completed a review on the single window concept that would see the amalgamation of the business programs offered by the NWT Business Credit Corporation, the NWT Development Corporation, Community Futures and RWED.

Mr. Speaker, I am concerned that this single window will not work unless another option is provided to persons or businesses seeking development capital, loans and support services. Mr. Speaker, as an example, if I am turned down by one of the banks for a loan, I have an option to go to another commercial lender. However, with this one-window concept, if I am turned down by this new agency, I will then have no options.

Mr. Speaker, with the increased business opportunities it is now possible for persons in business in the aboriginal communities to participate in the development that is occurring around us. Therefore, it is important that these communities have access and options to programs that support new businesses. The organizations that provide development services must also consider the political environment of the community and the individual character of the applicant when conducting evaluations. In the absence of this approach, many businesses in our small communities were not provided for or even considered by the banks.

Mr. Speaker, it is here that I wish to inform and make this government aware of another development lender in the Northwest Territories. This other developmental lender has been around for approximately 11 years. It is 100 percent owned and operated by the Metis and Dene of the Northwest Territories. All of the regions in the Northwest Territories are represented on its board of directors. It administers loans, contributions and aftercare programs for aboriginal businesses.

It has an agency relationship with Aboriginal Business Canada, and most importantly, in addition to conducting a formal business evaluation, it considers the person or persons involved to ensure the application is given due consideration.

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Tony Whitford

Mr. McLeod , your time for your Member's statement has ended.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories Dene-Metis Development Fund today finds itself under-capitalized and is seeking additional capital to ensure long-term viability. Mr. Speaker, the support of this government is essential to confirm that it not only supports big business but it is also committed to supporting our northern businesses that are providing the needed business support to businesses outside of the major centres. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of RWED during question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Access To Business Programs And Services In Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 600

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .

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Tu Nedhe Arctic Winter Games Participants

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 600

Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak about the Arctic Winter Games, an international gathering starting next week. The Games provide an opportunity for young men and women to participate in their sport of choice, the sport they excel in, the opportunity to exchange ideas and create new friendships with people of the same sport and different sports from different countries.

It will be a great experience for all Northerners participating. I would like to congratulate people from my communities that I represent, specifically, Mr. Speaker: Mr. Damien Kalilik, who is participating in the Dene games. He is from Lutselk'e; Travis Guild, a badminton player from Fort Resolution; Dexter Lafferty, a musher; Frank Lafferty, who is a coach for the dog sledding; Kirk Fabien, dog sledding; Frank Fabien, who is a coach in that area; and Freda Elief, as part of the mission staff.

Mr. Speaker, in 1988, I was lucky enough to represent the Northwest Territories in the Arctic Winter Games in Fairbanks, Alaska, in the snowshoe biathlon, so I personally know the excitement that comes along with the Games and the experience and the wonderful memories they bring home. I wish all northern athletes, all the territorial athletes, luck and I hope they have a great experience and fond memories that they will cherish for years to come.

Mr. Speaker, I have been critical in the past about the Arctic Winter Games and the lack of participation at the community level. Just based on the list of people being represented from my communities, I am still not totally satisfied, but I see there are some improvements. I will be travelling with the Minister to the Arctic Winter Games and see first hand the athletes participating and representing our great Territory in this, what Mr. Delorey calls our Olympics.

I would like to say good luck to all athletes and congratulate them in advance on their participation. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Mahsi, Mr. Nitah . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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Replacement Of Wha Ti Community Hall

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 601

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am standing today to make a statement about the loss of a community hall in one of my ridings. This is a follow-up to a statement I made earlier in this session. I received a fax today from the Wha Ti charter community, signed by Chief Charlie Nitsiza.

Mr. Speaker, this community is without a place for the youth and also has no place for their cultural activities. This community will have no building to host their meetings during the Dogrib Annual Assembly this fall, Mr. Speaker. I have discussed this with the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs and it seems the department will not be able to deliver the new community hall this spring.

Mr. Speaker, the community has come up with another plan that might get them through to this fall's Assembly, but this is only if the department cooperates with them, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister responsible for MACA . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Reflections On The Passing Of Chris Argue

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Two weeks ago, a family in Yellowknife and my constituency lost a son through a tragic accident. Chris Argue was 25 years old. He was the brother of Mike, a competitor at the national ski level. He was the son of Marsha, an advocate and well-known champion of the rights and the situation of disadvantaged women in the NWT. He was the son of John Argue, as you know, Mr. Speaker, my constituency assistant and a friend and colleague of all of us in this Legislature and across the Government of Nunavut and the Northwest Territories, where John worked for, I think, some 30 years.

Mr. Speaker, when tragedy strikes, a family loses not only a son or a daughter, a parent or grandparent, the community loses something too. The community loses a friend, a companion, perhaps a co-worker, a competitor and a leader. When life and love is lost at such an early age - Chris was only 25 - that loss seems unbearable. However, here in the North, tragedy strikes often, too often, but our communities come together.

The celebration of Chris' life a week ago was, for myself, my wife and hundreds of other Yellowknifers who attended, a remarkable event in the love that it expressed for Chris and for the family, for the courage that was shown in speaking at a very difficult time, and, Mr. Speaker, in the gratitude that was shown for those who were with Chris and who knew him for his short time with us.

It happens in all our communities. We come together to somehow help make the loss, if not acceptable, at least more manageable and perhaps a bit easier to understand.

Mr. Speaker, I reflect on the words of one of Chris' very well-known and very dear friends, Jesse Allen, that we should never take for...

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Mr. Braden , your time for this important statement has ended. Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there nays? There are no nays. You may conclude, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the words of a dear friend of Chris', I want to reflect on his message that we should never take for granted those whom we love, and that we should cherish and respect each other every single day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay South, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Families With Special Needs Children

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 601

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak about the challenges faced by families with special needs children. The education system, classroom assistants and special needs assistants support the education and care of these children while they are of school age and during school hours. However, Mr. Speaker, there are many other times during which these families need support, for which there are few resources, services or respite. Many parents who have children with disabilities do not have the luxury of not working outside their homes.

They often hold down full-time employment, some being required to work evenings or weekends. They often have other children in the family as well.

Depending on the degree of special care required, just running errands or grocery shopping presents a challenge if there is not a support network or other family members able to assist. These circumstances can place serious stress on parents, or the entire family unit for that matter. Sometimes these circumstances exist for a number of years, and we have all heard of some of the tragic results reported recently in the media of families who took drastic measures in the state of prolonged periods of time without support.

It is interesting that governments will so readily split families up by placing special needs children in very costly institutional settings, or pay for foster care placements where they will support a foster family up to $90 per day but will offer so little or no support to families struggling on their own. There are also often significant financial stresses for things such as supplies required to care for their children.

We need to find more ways to support families who devote all of their time and affection to raising their disabled children in their own homes. Later I will have questions for the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services on the kind of support we can offer as a government. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .

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Daffodil Days -- Canadian Cancer Society Fundraising Campaign

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 602

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to draw attention to an annual campaign carried out by the Canadian Cancer Society, which is called Daffodil Days. It is going to take place this year between April 2nd to the 5th. Essentially, you can order a bunch of daffodils, I think it is $5 a bunch, send them to loved ones and it is a great way to raise money for the Canadian Cancer Society. We do have a local Alberta-NWT division.

Mr. Speaker, I am drawing attention to this today because I understand they are having some difficulty in fundraising this year. Past years have been very good, but there was some confusion around some of the advertising. I wanted to clear that up and let people know they can phone locally, 920-4428, for information or order forms. They do have a local office on the 3rd floor of the Graham Bromley Building. I will also have this information in my office, so if any constituents or Members are interested in getting this information, they can contact me.

Mr. Speaker, I think that all of us have had loved ones in our families who have been touched by cancer at one point or another. I think it is a very good initiative and a great way to raise funds for cancer research. I hope my colleagues and members of the Northwest Territories will take up the cause here and raise money for Daffodil Days. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Thebacha Arctic Winter Games Participants

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 602

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like my colleagues, Mr. Delorey , and the young Mr. Nitah for Tu Nedhe, I would like to speak briefly about the Arctic Winter Games and the people that have made these Games possible, the people that are going to go from my community. I made reference to the youth of my colleague because he indicated he went in 1988 to the Arctic Winter Games. I went, as one of the more ancient Members of this House, in 1970 to the first Games here in Yellowknife...

-- Applause

...but I do know that it is an experience that sticks with you. It gives you a chance to participate at a level that probably you will not -- at my age now, I will be lucky to be able to lift both legs off the floor at the same time if I sat in a chair, let alone compete at that level. It is a very, very important time for the young folks, and I want to commend the volunteers, coaches, parents as well as the athletes themselves.

Mr. Speaker, in Fort Smith we have the benefit of 25 people going off to attend the Games.

For the record, I would just like to recognize them in this House:• Inuit Games - Derek Thrasher, Meika McDonald, Joe Thrasher, Tim McDonald and Lena Illasiak;• Cross-country skiing - Lindsey Freund, Betsy Mawdsley, Kristyn Freund, Tom Koidhis, Patti Kay Hamilton;• For the cultural-visual component there are Laura Aubrey and Keith Douglas;• Ice hockey - Aaron Mackeinzo, Lance Lennie and Kurt MacDonald;• Volleyball - Brendan Bourque, Katie Popplestone, Brandy Thompson, Chantelle McDonald, Charlotte McDonald, Roslyn Cardinal, Candace Adam, Natasha Black and Alma McDonald; and • For mission staff, we have Juneva Green.

I would like to offer my best wishes to those people from my constituency, as well as all the athletes from the Northwest Territories. I hope they have the time of their lives, that they travel safely and that they come back draped in gold. Thank you.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .

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Inuvik Twin Lakes Mid-term Review

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 602

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been over a year since I shared with my esteemed colleagues in this House the socio-economic profile of my riding of Inuvik Twin Lakes. Mr. Speaker, I would like to share another important document that guides me through my work as the MLA for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

Mr. Speaker, as the MLA for Inuvik Twin Lakes, I recently commissioned an interim review of my performance to date. I would like to share some of the highlights with my colleagues in this Assembly. The questions were designed to seek opinions from my constituents as to how I might more effectively serve them and to determine what issues they consider important for the future of Inuvik, the Mackenzie Delta region and the NWT as a whole.

Mr. Speaker, the findings of this survey are very similar to the questions and concerns that my colleagues raise in this House. Mr. Speaker, my constituents have placed housing far ahead of any other issue. Education, training for youth, health care and the social and environmental consequences of economic development, particularly in the oil and gas sector, fall far behind housing issues. More specifically, as my colleagues are already aware of, is my continued friendly advocacy to promote alternative lending agencies that will allow for more access to financial assistance.

Mr. Speaker, this review provides me with an analysis of what my constituents' expectations are of me as their MLA. Many of my constituents have only a modest awareness of my Ministerial responsibilities. Others have said that I have too many portfolios, which causes me to lack focus.

While there were variations between different demographic segments of my electorate, I want to assure the people of Inuvik Twin Lakes that I am aware of all the issues that are important to you as my constituents. It is my sincere intention to determine where this government must focus its resources to improve the quality of life, particularly for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

In concluding, Mr. Speaker, I want to thank those who responded to the questionnaire, and also to Jack Cunningham and Rob Cook of Gwich'in Graphics for compiling this data and formatting it. I will be tabling this interim review tomorrow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Allen . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Ootes .

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Return To Question 96-14(5): School Grade Promotion Policy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 603

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Nitah on February 27, 2002, regarding school grade promotion policy.

Mr. Nitah asked if the Department of Education, Culture and Employment keeps statistics on how many students from small communities have to go back a grade when they move and go to school in a larger centre.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment does not keep statistics on student placement. Placement decisions are made at the school level and involve many factors, including age, social development of the student and the size of classes. There are often children working at several grade levels in any one classroom.

A guiding document for student placement is the department's inclusive schooling directive, which stipulates that all students have the right to participate in educational programs offered in a regular classroom setting with their age peers. For the most part, that is what is happening in NWT schools.

There may be situations where a decision is made not to place a student in a regular classroom or with his or her peers, but such a decision would be arrived at with much deliberation and would involve discussions with the students, parents or guardians.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the Gallery. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 603

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a young guy who has something to do with the transcripts we receive every day while we are in session. His name is Will Chung. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the Gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a visitor from my constituency in the gallery, Father Joe Daley. He is a priest with the Catholic Church and he administers to his congregation in a whole bunch of communities. He represents more communities than I do because he represents Fort Providence and Kakisa, as well as Fort Simpson, Jean Marie River, Nahanni Butte, Trout Lake, Wrigley and Fort Liard. Welcome him to the House. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Representation with a different objective. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to welcome everyone who has come to watch the Legislative Assembly. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 203-14(5): Ct Scan Operating Personnel

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 603

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, further to my Member's statement earlier today, I wonder if the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services could respond on the lack of human resources to operate this very important CT scan machine. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 203-14(5): Ct Scan Operating Personnel

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 603

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have had the opportunity to tour Stanton Hospital and see that very impressive piece of equipment that my colleague refers to. Very clearly, the Stanton board and the Stanton Foundation have done a fine job. Through the budgeting process and the program delivery component, the Stanton board and their very capable staff address those particular issues.

As we are now moving into the business planning process for the upcoming year, I am sure that issue, if it needs to be addressed, will be in there. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 604

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Question 203-14(5): Ct Scan Operating Personnel

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 604

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I gather from the answer the Minister has given that he is basically leaving it to the Stanton board to make this decision. As I stated, I think I have given a lot of facts there that should alert the Minister to really look at this and pay extra attention. Does the Minister not agree with that, Mr. Speaker?

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Question 203-14(5): Ct Scan Operating Personnel

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 604

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 203-14(5): Ct Scan Operating Personnel

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 604

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am paying very close attention to that particular issue, as I am with all the authorities as they look at the appropriate budget for all the health and social services systems across the Territories.

I would also like to point out that this particular piece of equipment has a radiology technologist and an imaging clerk employed to operate and support the operation of a CT scan. They also do work elsewhere when they are not engaged there. We have worked with Stanton to make sure we have the resources available. The O and M costs for this machine are about $365,000 per year. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 604

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Question 203-14(5): Ct Scan Operating Personnel

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 604

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think what I need to reiterate to the Minister is the fact that this machine is saving, by conservative measure, millions of dollars for the government. We also know that the Stanton board is one of the many boards that is experiencing a deficit and they may not be able to handle the resources from within.

If that is the case, will the Minister consider giving extra resources to this money-making operation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Stanton hospital is a territorial resource and it does provide services to all of the residents of the Northwest Territories, along with access to the CT scan machine. We are working every day with the authorities across the Northwest Territories health and social services system to deal with budget issues, to listen to the concerns raised in this House in terms of adequacy of funding and where there are service gaps.

We have a machine in place that is providing a valuable service. We will continue to see that it is operated and used and provides the effective service it is now doing. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are support staff there but the fact is there is only one person who can operate this machine. The RCMP does not even post one person in their facilities. Will the Minister not agree that he must put extra resources into this? This is for the benefit of everyone in the government.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I agree there is a need to work with the Stanton board and the rest of the authorities to ensure that all of the services we provide are adequately resourced, and that the services are there to provide uninterrupted access to the very important services they provide. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this time, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , in the area of pipelines, following up on my Member's statement.

Mr. Speaker, when the issue of pipelines comes up in the Northwest Territories, there is much discussion. A number of different options seem to come to the table. I would like clarity on this issue and ask the Minister responsible to provide some information.

For example, the Mackenzie Delta Producers Group, they are looking at a standalone system from the Delta down to northern Alberta. When they talk about Alaska and Prudhoe Bay, they will be two separate systems. Is that not correct? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my understanding of what the honourable Member is asking is yes, there are two separate systems, to our understanding. The Mackenzie Delta Producers are beginning to do work to put together a proposal to take the Delta gas into the Alberta system,

whereas the other proposals I am hearing are the over-the-top one. The major emphasis there is taking Alaska gas from the Prudhoe Bay area over the top and down the valley. This proposal is to bring this gas, along with the Delta gas, down into the U.S. market. It is two different concepts that I understand is there.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, my information is that even if both projects were a go, we would see two lines down the valley. Is that not correct?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we understand it today, it still has a long way to go. There are proposals and plans in the development. If the scenario is as the honourable Member laid out, yes, there will be two different lines, as far as we understand it at this time. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as well, before a line would be built, is it not in fact true that producers would have to sign up, in the sense of guaranteeing supply to flow through? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the idea of a pipeline is to take natural gas down to southern markets and the producers are the ones who own the gas. The producers will be the major player in any type of pipeline scenario. So yes, the producers have to be involved and have to be involved in the decision on how they are going to transport this gas to market.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us as to where the Mackenzie Delta project is at this point? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Mackenzie Valley Producer Group and the Mackenzie Valley Aboriginal Pipeline Corporation, this consortium has completed, as we all know, a feasibility study for the development of onshore gas in the Mackenzie Delta.

On January 7th, this consortium announced they have completed work on their feasibility study and that they are now proceeding with work on the project definition phase. They have a number of timelines they have announced.

This first quarter of this year, 2002, they plan to submit a preliminary information package as well as in the third quarter, towards the third quarter of 2003. They plan on submitting a full pipeline application in about a little over a year. Their plan now is to, in the first quarter of 2005, in three years time, if they receive the project approval they will make final project decisions. By the second quarter of 2008, in about six years time, they hope to have the construction completed and commence production.

This consortium is working now on the pre-development agreement. This is a contractual arrangement that sets out the relationship between the Mackenzie Valley Aboriginal Pipeline Corporation, as well as the future operators of the project. This is what is going on at this point in time. That is all we know for now, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is directed to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . The Business Program Review Committee has recently completed their review on the single window concept.

I wanted to ask the Minister, how will the single window concept assist in bringing or making additional basic services, such as banking, bookkeeping, accounting, legal and business support, into communities not currently receiving the service? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Business Program Review the honourable Member mentioned was a committee that was set up to review how the different agencies of this government, namely the Business Credit Corporation and the Northwest Territories Development Corporation, as well as Community Futures committees in the regions, how they are working. As a result of that, they have done their work and they have provided the people who are interested, the stakeholders, to look at what they have done and make comment to the department.

We are developing an action plan at this point in time. The review was to look at how we could get these agencies to work closer together and maybe form a single organization to provide the services they are currently doing. As you know, the Business Credit Corporation, like a bank, is a loan agency. The Northwest Territories Development Corporation is an organization that works and has joint ventures and provides those types of services to organizations. Community Futures also provides loans at the community level. The types of services the honourable Member has mentioned are more specific.

I just want to mention that we have started this Bankers Commission that my predecessor kicked off. The first meeting of this Bankers Commission took place last week, as representatives of banks and members of our communities, to start working on this.

If this is the kind of banking services the honourable Member is talking about to help the communities, the Bankers Commission has just started their work. They are telling each other what they are doing and seeing the scope of work required. Perhaps this is one of the areas they should look at, providing these kinds of services.

I am not too sure what the outcome of this meeting was. I have not been briefed on it, but in our preliminary meetings, those subjects, the actual cash flow and the actual type of support that people in the communities need in terms of banking was discussed. I am sure this is an area that we will also be focussing on. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has provided information on the concept of a single window. I did not hear in his answer how it is going to provide any more services than we already have, any additional services.

My next question is regarding business support. I am sure the Minister is aware that an important part of business advice and support is aftercare. If this government is not willing to provide that service, then it should consider whether or not it should even write the cheque for a loan or a contribution. I want to ask the Minister if there will be a commitment from his department to address the lack of aftercare support to small business. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, we have the Business Development Fund. We have people within our departments who are there to work with the communities once they start their businesses. If they ask for support, that is what they are supposed to do.

If that is not what they are doing, then I need to know about it and I need to work with our staff, with businesses in the communities and perhaps with the MLAs, to see how we can best provide the services they are supposed to be providing.

As a Member in this House and as a Minister, I always believed that as a government, we are here to provide programs and services to the people in the communities. If that is not happening then I need to know about it. We are looking at it with this department.

There is also the Community Futures organization that has just been put in place within the last couple of years. The idea there is the different businesses that are existing, the smaller businesses in our communities, have been asking for the types of services that perhaps the honourable Member is concerned about, which is once the small businesses start, they may need additional help and dollars to do something and expand and enhance their businesses. The Community Futures organization is there to provide that service.

If there is a need to help the smaller businesses become more successful, the Community Futures organizations would have representatives from all the surrounding communities in the region on this board. They are there to provide that service.

We in RWED have taken funding from headquarters and put it into the regions for the Community Futures board to work right at the community level with the people in the community. It is two years old. It is new. There may be a learning experience or problems there, so then we have to look at how we can improve on that. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. McLeod . Before I go to Mr. McLeod , I would just like to remind Members of Rule 38. In question period, questions and replies should be as brief and to the point as possible. There is only 60 minutes allowed for question period. Supplementary, Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, up until now, we have had different government agencies that were available to provide loans to our communities. All of these agencies were always considered the lender of last resort. However, there were different agencies that businesses in our communities could approach. With this new concept, it really restricts that.

I would like to ask the Minister, has he considered talking to other outside agencies, such as the Northwest Territories Dene-Metis Development Fund, to see if that is a viable option to the single window concept?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this bankers forum, there is a representative from the Dene-Metis Development Loan, Mr. Rocky Simpson. If he is not on that board, then he is very familiar with it. He brought that to our attention, that they are an alternative source of funding for Dene and Metis businesses from the communities.

I am aware of it. I have not really sat down with the officials from the department to see how the department is working with the Dene-Metis Loan Fund. I still need to do that. I would like to let the Member know that I am aware of the Dene-Metis Loan Fund. How it is going to fit into this single window approach with the Business Credit Corporation and the Northwest Territories Development Corporation, I have not asked that question, but I will, following this. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I reviewed the Business Financing Commission membership this morning and I did not see any representation from the Northwest Territories Dene-Metis Development Fund. I would ask if the Minister could confirm that Mr. Rocky Simpson is representing the Northwest Territories Dene-Metis Development Fund. If not, if they could commit to appointing someone. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman who is on the Bankers Commission is Rocky Simpson, who brought this matter to our attention. I do not know if he is on the Dene-Metis Loan Fund or not, but I will confirm that. As to appointing someone to the board, the board is already set up and there are alternates. We will look at that. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 607

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 206-14(5): Quarterly Contracting Reports

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 607

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for Minister Allen in his responsibility for the Housing Corporation. Last week, Mr. Speaker, I noted how much difficulty I had obtaining some information about contracts from a number of agencies connected to the government. I think it is important that the public have access to contract payments that are made by this government and by its agencies.

I would like to ask the Minister, will the Housing Corporation move to adopt the same policy that the GNWT has of publishing, each quarter, every contract payment over $5,000? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen .

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We currently publish once annually. I am prepared to compromise and suggest we publish semi-annually. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .

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Question 207-14(5): Criteria For Harvesters' Support

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 607

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I had questions for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development about hunters and trappers and the funding programs in place for our harvesters. Mr. Speaker, I want to commend the Minister for any of the programs they have out there. I am fully in support of any help we can get to our harvesters.

In some of the information we received, we learned there are approximately 1,000 trappers out there that receive funding. I was wondering if the Minister could inform this House as to what criteria they use to define who a hunter or a trapper is? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are a number of people in the North, namely aboriginal people, who have a general hunting license. They are eligible at any time to take up trapping. If they do, then the GHL, their general hunting license number, is recorded when they sell the furs.

As well, there are also a few people who have special general hunting licenses, who are also eligible to sell fur through trapping or hunting through the department. There are two types of ways of identifying people who sell furs.

Having said that, according to the Workers' Compensation Board, the Renewable Resources Harvesters Program regularly and actively engages people who are engaged in hunting, fishing and trapping for a livelihood. At least 25 percent of the harvesters gross income, including about $7,000 for country foods, is derived from hunting, fishing and trapping. These are people who are eligible for the Workers' Compensation Board who are principally engaged.

Generally, the question I think was mainly who are trappers? Trappers are the GHL holders, or the special GHL holders who sell fur and they are recorded. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Delorey .

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Also in the same information I was getting yesterday, he identified approximately 100 fishermen. I would like to know, Mr. Speaker, what criteria is used to define a fisherman? Are those all commercial fishermen on Great Slave Lake or is this across the Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Under the Fisheries Act, the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans issues commercial fishing licenses in the Northwest Territories. There is a total of about 160 commercial fishing licenses issued across the Northwest Territories, I am told. Approximately 60 plus licenses are from Great Slave Lake. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Delorey .

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has also been mentioned that some of the money is being earmarked for training for youth to get involved in traditional harvesters program, traditional lifestyles. Could the Minister indicate how much money is being spent on training programs for youth in the harvesters industry? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have that number readily in front of me. I will get that number to the honourable Member on trapper training. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Delorey .

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the big, contentious issues that fishermen have tried to address for a long time is the winter fishery with respect to gas that they burn during the winter fishery on the lake because they are off-road. They pay full taxes on the gas that they use in the wintertime. They have tried unsuccessfully for many years to get this issue looked at and addressed. I was wondering if the Minister could commit to relooking at this issue and seeing if there is anything that can be done for the fishermen in that area. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to work with the other Members on this Cabinet but I certainly will take a good look at it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 208-14(5): Special Needs Support To Families

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 608

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . In my Member's statement I talked about the need for support for families with special needs children. I would like the Minister to, if he could, outline any kind of financial support there may be for families with extra costs related to their children's needs, things such as equipment and supplements and other types of supplies they would need in the care of their children in their own home. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if it is a medical situation, then we would be working through the department to see what assistance is available. We would first look to see what the family can afford, what their own possible insurance could provide for. If it is a permanent disability, then we would consider it under social assistance to see if there is a qualification there. If it is support resources other than cash, then we would be working with social workers. We would be working with public health. We would be working with the health authorities to try to determine what supports are needed to in fact try to assist the family to keep the child at home. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have heard in this House recently in consideration of the budget that this government expends an extraordinary amount of money when children are taken out of their homes and placed in institutions or placed in other people's homes.

I am just wondering if it is possible to expand the support for these families through services that might be available through existing institutions. I know a parent of a disabled child had to take a child to the hospital, for example, in order just to attend a meeting that we were having. We do have these institutions and infrastructure in many of the communities where they may not be at full capacity, where there are staff and facilities available. Is it possible to expand the role of any of these institutions to offer things like respite or temporary care of children with needs? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are currently four facilities that provide extended care; Stanton, H.H. Williams, Fort Smith and Inuvik. The Member raises a good point. I have already been made aware of the concern from groups. Right now, the current definition of respite care tends to be based on a medical definition of what respite is. Very clearly, there is a need to look at this definition and recognize that there may be other reasons than medical. There may be social reasons that require respite care that have nothing to do with the child possibly being sick or requiring medical attention, but meaning the respite that my colleague talked about.

Is it possible to look at other ways of doing this? Yes it is. If there are suggestions and direction that the Member or the Standing Committee on Social Programs could provide, I would be very interested in looking at those. Thank you.

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The Speaker

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mrs.