Debates of March 22nd, 1993

This is page numbers 1053 - 1090 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Report Of The Family Law Review Committee

Minister's Absence From House

Member's Statement Re Defeat Of MLA Sharks By Media Ravens Hockey Team

Annual Meeting Of The Gwich'in Renewable Resources Council

Designation Of River Ridge Facility As "secure Facility"

High Quality Of Construction On Ingraham Trail

Congratulating Senior Men's Curling Rink

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Designation Of River Ridge Facility As Secure Facility

Departmental Initiatives Re Trap Manufacturing

Community Consultation Re Hap Program Changes

Water And Sewer Subsidies In Fort Simpson

Cabinet Approval For Rental Scale Increase

Extension Of Accreditation Arrangements For Arctic College

Policy On Government Seeking Restitution From Convicted Former Employees

Written Question 31-12(3): Restitution To The GNWT

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Extension Of Sitting Hours For Third Session

Item 15: Motions

Extension Of Sitting Hours For Third Session

Appointment Of Members To The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Bill 24: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1993

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Social Assistance Act

To Amend Clause 2 Of Bill 5

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

To Adopt Recommendation 9

Committee Report 16-12(3): Final Report On The Comprehensive Review Of The Rules

Committee Reports

To Adopt Recommendation 1

To Adopt Recommendation 2

To Adopt Recommendation 3

To Adopt Recommendation 4

To Adopt Recommendation 5

To Adopt Recommendation 6

To Adopt Recommendation 7

To Adopt Recommendation 8

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Media/mla Schmockey Game

Revert Back To Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 66-12(3): Report Of The Family Law Review Committee

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, today I will be tabling the report of the ministerial working group on family law reform. This was first tabled on October 2, 1992. I would like to take this opportunity to update you on our progress with the report.

The eight member family law review working group was established in 1988, by the Honourable Michael Ballantyne , then Minister of Justice, and the Honourable Jeannie Marie-Jewell , then Minister of Social Services . The group was made up of representatives of the Dene Nation, Native Women's Association, Metis Nation, Inuit Tapirisat of Canada, Pauktuutit, Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, advisory council on the Status of Women, the Law Society and the Departments of Justice and Social Services.

A contractor was engaged and the working group had three researchers to help them in collecting information about customary family law. The researchers conducted extensive consultations in communities in all regions across the Northwest Territories.

The contractor did not finish the project. This led to some delays. The members of the working group took over the completion of the project. Their original roles had been to give direction to the contractor. The working group members were people who already had full-time commitments, so it was even a greater challenge for them to complete the report.

The report itself is made up of 256 working group recommendations. These recommendations are, to a large extent, based on background material contained in a lengthy appendix one, but for many of the recommendations there is no back-up material on which to proceed. A number of the recommendations have not received the consensus of the working group. Some members propose one course of action and other members propose a different solution. That leaves the Departments of Justice and Social Services with an even greater task to complete.

The report calls for the replacement of many of the current statutes with entirely new legislation. It also recommends the establishment of aboriginal justice councils to hear family law matters so that communities are able to control and govern their own lives according to the values and priorities of the communities themselves.

Since we received the report in late September, the Departments of Justice and Social Services have been reviewing the recommendations. Some of them have been identified as giving rise to constitutional issues and a legal opinion is being prepared on these. Members will have noted that one of the 1993-94 definitive objectives for the Department of Justice is to complete our consultation with interested organizations in preparation for drafting revised legislation.

Between now and the fall sitting of the Legislative Assembly the Department of Justice, working with the Department of Social Services, plans to analyze the recommendations and conduct the further legal research required to produce a consultation document for Members of the Legislative Assembly and the public.

By the end of the 1993-94 fiscal year we expect to have completed consultation and to have a drafting plan ready for legislative drafters. This will be a major drafting project and we have not yet determined the drafting time that will be required. This will not prevent us from dealing more quickly with some areas of the law which require immediate attention. During this process minor amendments can still be made to existing legislation.

The Status of Women council has reviewed the family law review report and has forwarded their remarks to the Department of Justice. Generally, the remarks are positive about the report. I encourage others to review the report and respond to it. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 66-12(3): Report Of The Family Law Review Committee

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 67-12(3): Minister's Absence From House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the Honourable John Todd will be absent from the House today as he is attending meetings with the Keewatin Inuit Association. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 67-12(3): Minister's Absence From House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Member's Statement Re Defeat Of MLA Sharks By Media Ravens Hockey Team

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is with heavy heart that I rise today ...

---Laughter

... to state, for the record, that the MLA Sharks were narrowly defeated by the media Ravens hockey team. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the unthinkable happened last Saturday evening in front of more than 100 spectators. The unsinkable MLA Sharks were benched 8-6 by the Ravens. We can take some consolation, however, in the fact that our very own Sheila MacPherson was named the media's most valuable player.

---Applause

---Laughter

Ms. MacPherson also had the distinction of collecting the first penalty of the game, a shameful fact that will probably get our lawyer disbarred. The Sharks can also take consolation in the fact that they played a good solid, and most importantly, Mr. Speaker, clean hockey game. Since I consider myself a good sport, Mr. Speaker, I will not accuse the media of cheating, although that we all know they did.

---Laughter

---Laughter

The Sharks were also disappointed when the Government Leader , Nellie "The Puck Stops Here" Cournoyea was arrested by the caribou cops just seconds after the game began, another shameful act, Mr. Speaker.

On the positive side, Mr. Speaker, we would like to thank the following MLAs for their fine performance: Titus "Beebop" Allooloo, Rebecca "You Are Lucky I Am The Minister Of Health" Mike, Richard "Madtrapper" Nerysoo, Henry "Zorro" Zoe, James "Lee Van Cleefe" Arvaluk, and Jim "The Lynx River Trapper" Antoine. I would also like to thank the Assembly staff and the deputy ministers who helped strengthen the Sharks' roster.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to apologize to the general manager, David "Scottie" Hamilton, on behalf of the Sharks for losing. I promise Mr. Hamilton that next year the road dog will be carrying our flag around the arena. By the way, Mr. Speaker, you will have to do a much better job at juggling the lines if you want to be a coach next year.

---Laughter

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Member's Statement Re Defeat Of MLA Sharks By Media Ravens Hockey Team

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

One observation as a coach, on other teams people who criticize the coach are sent down to the minors and can play the rest of their career for a federal government farm team.

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Annual Meeting Of The Gwich'in Renewable Resources Council

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the annual meeting of the Gwich'in renewable resources council, which was held in Inuvik from March 17 to 19, 1993. Renewable resources councils, which have basically replaced the hunters' and trappers' association, have been established by the Gwich'in comprehensive land claim agreement. Clause 12.9.1 of the agreement states that there shall be a renewable resources council in each Gwich'in community to encourage and promote local involvement in conservation, harvesting studies and research and wildlife management in the local community.

Mr. Speaker, I was very impressed with the level of commitment and the participation of the 30 plus delegates of this meeting. Many issues were discussed and some of the resolutions dealt with the compensation for hunters and trappers, and the establishment of a trap manufacturing plant. Many issues related to the Porcupine Caribou Management Board. They wish to establish a fur auction house. They wish to establish a renewable resource management program in the Gwich'in settlement area. They wish to establish a tannery. They also set some restrictions on hunting of grizzly bears and caribou on the Dempster highway.

Mr. Speaker, I will be tabling copies of the resolutions which were adopted at this meeting, later today. Again, I wish to congratulate the organizers of the meeting, all the participants, and, especially, the chairperson, William Greenland and the co-chairperson, Morris Blake, who kept the proceedings moving and discussions on track. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Annual Meeting Of The Gwich'in Renewable Resources Council

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. We have visitors in the gallery, the mayor and deputy mayor of Fort Simpson, Mr. Ray Michaud and Mr. Tom Wilson.

---Applause

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Annual Meeting Of The Gwich'in Renewable Resources Council

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Designation Of River Ridge Facility As "secure Facility"

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and in particular, thank you for coaching the hockey game. Mr. Speaker, on Thursday, March 18, I questioned the Minister of Justice , the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , on the government's plans to make the River Ridge facility, located in Fort Smith, an open custody facility for young offenders. As members of the public may know, this facility was originally planned and built

as a secure custody facility for young offenders. Mr. Speaker, I am cognizant of the government's desire to save money by designating this facility as an open custody facility. It is my understanding the secure custody facility is currently being under utilized. Nonetheless, I am very concerned that the government is making this decision rashly and without adequate consideration of the need for young offenders.

Mr. Speaker, the federal Young Offenders Act has two very different

definitions for open custody and secure custody. Open custody means custody in a community residential centre, group home, child care institution, wilderness camp or any other like place or facility. Secure custody means custody in a place designated or the secure containment or restraint of young persons. These two

definitions suggest very different types of custodial facilities. The Minister has already indicated that there will be no renovations to the River Ridge centre which will remove the bars and other secure devices which makes this facility a secure custody facility.

Mr. Speaker, in a Prince Edward Island court case, the court held that the King's County Jail was a facility for adult offenders, a secure facility and also an open custody facility. Justice MacDonald, at the time, indicated the physical characteristics of a facility were relevant to a determination of whether the facility could be designated as an open custody facility.

He indicated that the physical characteristics of an institution were not conclusive and that other characteristics such as the number of staff, the qualifications of staff, and the establishment of programs set for the benefits of offenders were also relevant for determining whether a place could be properly designated as an open custody facility within the meaning of the Young Offenders Act.

Similarly, in Nova Scotia's decision...

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mrs. Marie-Jewell , your allotted time has lapsed.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. Similarly, in Nova Scotia, the Nova Scotia Supreme Court held that the dual designation of a jail as both an open and secure placement was improper. In that decision the court focused on the lack of facilities and the lack of programs for guidance and assistance for young offenders in determining whether the designation was valid.

Mr. Speaker, the Young Offenders Act and judges in sentencing young offenders have made a very clear distinction between open custody and secure custody. I do not believe the Minister can simply wave his wand or his hand and without proper structural alterations and other personal modifications change a facility from open custody to secure custody. I will continue to pursue this issue with the Minister until such time as the concerns of my constituents as to the validity of the Minister's actions have been fully addressed by his department. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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High Quality Of Construction On Ingraham Trail

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I went for a drive on the highway out of Yellowknife. I thought at first this highway went nowhere. It is called the Ingraham Trail and 20 kilometres of it is paved. As I drove along the highway, I realized that this highway did go some place. At the end of the highway there is a mine and there is a great deal of transportation going back and forth. There are people taking advantage of that highway, they have cabins along the lakes, recreational facilities and people can ice fish and caribou hunt. This kind of highway is good for this community.

As I was driving along, I realized if we had a highway down the Mackenzie Valley, there would be equal opportunity for us to enjoy the land as the people from Yellowknife enjoy their land.

---Applause

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An Hon. Member

The eastern Arctic, too.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

The eastern Arctic, as well. The highway is important because people make use of the country. I was fortunate enough to run into a herd of caribou, so I took advantage of that as well.

---Laughter

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A kilometre and a half off the road?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

A kilometre and a half off the road, Mr. Speaker.

---Laughter

---Applause

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

I also noticed that 20 kilometres of this highway was paved and I was thinking why could we not have the highway paved from Fort Simpson to the airport, which is only about 16 kilometres. If Yellowknife can have this, why can we not have this in Fort Simpson?

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Hear, hear.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Congratulating Senior Men's Curling Rink

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Several days ago, Mr. Speaker, the Member for Inuvik made a statement in this House with regard to our representatives at national curling events. I think he commended those who had already participated in national events and represented the Northwest Territories very well. I want to say, Mr. Speaker, during the past week, as was pointed out by Mr. Koe , Mr. Delmage, Mr. Mel Smith, Mr. Ron Kapicki and Mr. Larry Elkin, who we all know very well as the president of the Housing

Corporation, placed second in our national senior men's championships.

---Applause

I think that is commendable on their part and it bodes well for our curling in the Northwest Territories, but even more than that, the kind of athletes that we have the capacity to develop in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Return To Question 530-12(3): Transfer Of Arctic College Credits To Southern Institutions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Antoine on March 18, 1993, with regard to the transfer of Arctic College credits to southern institutions.

In general, Arctic College graduates, like graduates from other colleges in Canada, may apply to enter programs offered through other post-secondary institutions. These institutions will review the courses students have taken, the credits they have achieved and determine what credits they will recognize towards the programs students wish to enter.

Arctic College does have formal accreditation agreements with seven other post-secondary institutions for specific programs. The community administration program is accredited with St. Lawrence College; university transfer programs are accredited with the Universities of Alberta and Athabasca; the eastern Arctic teacher education program is accredited with McGill University; the western Arctic teacher education program is accredited with the University of Saskatoon and the social worker program is accredited with the Universities of Calgary and Regina.

Arctic College is currently negotiating with the University of McGill concerning accreditation for the interpreter/translator program and with the University of Trent concerning the accreditation of the native studies program.

In addition, the certified nursing assistants' program is recognized nationally. To graduate students must pass a Canada-wide examination. Also, the renewable resource training program is one of ten programs in North America recognized by the American Wildlife Technology Association. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 530-12(3): Transfer Of Arctic College Credits To Southern Institutions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question 554-12(3): Designation Of River Ridge Facility As Secure Facility

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice . Mr. Speaker, on March 4, I tabled Tabled Document 82-12(3), which was a Press Independent

article about an incident which involved a sexual assault issue of a young offender in Hay River. In the

article one of the Minister's senior corrections officials, Mr. Friesen, confirmed that there can be up to four youths living in a single dorm at the Hay River facility. Mr. Friesen is also quoted as saying, "It would be ideal to have single rooms, but it is just too costly to build." Recognizing that the Hay River facility has proven to be completely inadequate as a place to provide secure custody, can the Minister tell the House why his department has now decided to use it as a secure custody institution along with an open custody institution and a remand custody institution? Thank you.

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Question 554-12(3): Designation Of River Ridge Facility As Secure Facility

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 554-12(3): Designation Of River Ridge Facility As Secure Facility

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the facility in Hay River can house up to 16. River Ridge can take only 14. We designated the facilities in Hay River, Fort Smith and Iqaluit to have three classifications so they can take care of young offenders who are sentenced to secure custody. These facilities are also designated to handle remand and open custody, so it gives us the flexibility we need. We are of the opinion that the facilities can legally meet the definition of closed and open custody in each case. The new designations give us the flexibility we need to make the best use of these facilities.

At the present time, the number of young offenders who are sentenced to secure custody number more than 14. So, that was the reason to make the plans to move all the young offenders who are sentenced to secure custody to Hay River.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recognizing that Mr. Friesen, who is probably one of the Minister's most experienced officials working with young offenders, has stated for the public record that a dormitory style facility creates special supervision problems, how can the Minister justify a facility such as the Hay River secure facility to be a triple designate for young offenders who are sentenced by the courts? Thank you.

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Mr. Speaker, I am sorry, I missed the question.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Thank you. I would like the Minister to justify the Hay River secure facility as a triple designate facility to house young offenders who have been sentenced by the courts. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

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Mr. Speaker, we have designed Hay River as a facility which could be used as an open custody facility, a closed custody facility or for the purpose of dealing with remands. As far as I know, it complies with the conditions required by the courts as to what can be designed as secure or open. What we are trying to achieve is some flexibility so the long-term planning and best use of the facilities which we currently have can be done without having to spend additional money. This is the course of action we have decided to take. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, under the Young Offenders Act, territorial legislation allows for open custody or wilderness camps. Open custody is generally for young offenders who are designated by the courts to have committed crimes such as offending the Liquor Act or break and enters. Secure custody is generally repeated offenders who have committed either sexual assaults or murder. I would like to ask the Minister, how can he justify placing these young offenders who have such a variety of crimes, in an institution with a triple designation? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, we have sent the deputy minister plus the staff from corrections division to Fort Smith to meet with the union and staff to review the plans we have initiated. We will see how those discussions go. If the management of these facilities has differing opinions from our management as to whether we are meeting the spirit and intent of legislation, we will know in due course, but as far as I know there is agreement from everyone except the union. However, that may change. What we are doing is proper and probably in the best interests of everyone for the short-term.

In the long-term, there will be some work completed to see how the corrections facilities which we presently have meet with the needs of the communities that are increasingly asking for community-based facilities and bush camps to take care of young offenders. We will also be looking at communities taking responsibility for adult offenders who are remanded until court appearances and sentencing, and also adult offenders who, in many cases, the communities feel they can, with minimal or no supervision, take full responsibility for. That is the short-term objective.

As I said last week, we have some concern that since we had originally tried to open another open custody facility in Hay River and have stopped work on that project because of some local controversy, instead of spending $300,000 opening another open custody facility somewhere in the territories, we have decided the best use in the short-term of River Ridge was to move the young offenders who are sentenced to secure custody to Hay River and to have open custody young offenders in River Ridge. That is for a period of a few months and that would give us the time required to set the basis for longer term planning.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not believe this issue is only a concern for the union, I believe it is a concern for the staff at River Ridge. They sent me a letter dated March 14, asking me to assist them to allow for their institution to be maintained as a secure facility, probably due to the number and types of training courses they have taken over the past couple of years. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister -- he did not, by the way, answer my question -- if he can tell this House whether his department has determined the extent to which the GNWT is legally liable for physical or emotional damages which are suffered by a young offender who is victimized while they are incarcerated in a territorial facility, particularly a young offender facility? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if the Member is asking for a legal opinion, but I know there was an investigation into this particular incident which the Member is referring to. The report of the investigation concluded there was no negligence or wrong doing on the part of the staff who run the facility. We are always aware...

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Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I do not mind answering questions in this House, but I do not like being interrupted by the Member because on record it gives the impression that I am not answering the question or that I sit down in the middle of answering the question. There is no recording of the cat calling and the bits of petty abuse that the Member...

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Excuse me, if you have a point of order, make a point of order. Point of order, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is imputing motives such as cat calling or whatever. Many times we, on this side of the House, request clarity, but I do not believe we are cat calling. I would ask the Minister to answer the question and not make other types of allegations which are totally unwarranted. Thank you.

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Thank you. You do not have a point of order, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Mr. Kakfwi , in the normal course of debate the chair, everywhere in the country, allows a certain latitude and some responses on either side to statements or questions asked by the other side. When the chair thinks that those responses are getting out of hand, the chair will obviously call people to order. In this particular case, I did not think that the

responses were getting out of hand. I will ask people, according to our rules, to respect each other and try to allow Ministers to complete their answers and, it works the other way, for Ministers to allow Members to ask their questions. We will get back to business. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think I will review Hansard tomorrow and pick up where I left off. Thank you.

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Question 555-12(3): Departmental Initiatives Re Trap Manufacturing

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have raised this issue before in this Assembly, this past year has not been a good year for trappers. There was a change of the style of the traps that are used and, especially in the Gwich'in area and the Delta/Beaufort area, the trappers, at one stage, could not get access to traps. At that time, I asked the Minister to look at the possibility of having a trap manufacturing plant in the north. One of the motions passed this past week by the renewable resource council was that they establish a trap manufacturing plant in the Gwich'in settlement area. Can the Minister please advise if his department has done any work in this regard?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is correct. Last fall, when the trapping season opened, we were short of traps for all trappers. Even though we had ordered them, we were only able to get a certain amount which was not enough. We called manufacturers to see if we could get some more. They were not able to keep up to the level of demand that the people of Northwest Territories were demanding. We have done some exploration to see whether there could be manufacturing of traps in the Northwest Territories.

I understand my department is working with the Department of Economic Development and Tourism to see if that could be feasible. Up to this point, the two departments are continuing to see if the Northwest Territories companies could start manufacturing the traps. Thank you.

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Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister then confirm that he, and his department, supports the initiative of trying to get some kind of trap manufacturing plant in the Northwest Territories?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is correct.

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Question 556-12(3): Community Consultation Re Hap Program Changes

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. Mr. Speaker, up to now, people who are living in public units are barely able to pay the rent because of low income and the high cost of living. There has been some speculation that, at some time in the future, the Minister will be reviewing the possibility of increasing the rents for public units. Will the Minister inform the public before he plans to increase the rent because, in the past, we have not been informed by the Minister?

The people are complaining that they have not been informed by the Minister of Personnel when he decided to look at the long-term housing strategy. From that, I hope we learn and the Minister will inform the public of his plans. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Any change to any policy will use a community consultation process. We will develop a paper for discussion, table it and send it out to communities. There is a consultation process where you use the community advisory committees, the regional advisory committees and also the advisory committee of MLAs, so everyone will be included in the discussion and the decision. Thank you.

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Question 557-12(3): Water And Sewer Subsidies In Fort Simpson

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. The village of Fort Simpson is the same size and even smaller than some of the hamlets in the Northwest Territories. The hamlets are fully subsidized by this government. Fort Simpson is tax-based, but it is very small. It depends on this government for subsidy. Fort Simpson was supposed to receive the water and sewer subsidy. When is the village of Fort Simpson going to receive the water and sewer subsidy? Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My department has been working on this issue for quite a long time. We recognize the village is about the same size as some of the hamlets, which have a water and sewer subsidy program in place. It is not a 100 per cent subsidy to hamlets, but it is a subsidy. My department has been working with the community of Fort Simpson in trying to come up with a similar program that is enjoyed by similar sized communities. I have drafted a Cabinet document which I am preparing to take forward to Cabinet. I am not sure when that date is going to

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

This is just a follow-up to my honourable colleague for Natilikmiot with regard to the question to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . Mr. Speaker, on February 19, I asked the Minister of the Housing Corporation whether he would be considering a rental increase in conjunction with the new housing strategy which was considered, and at the time I asked the question if he intended to propose these changes to the public housing rental and to review the rental scale, he indicated, yes. He also indicated, at the time, and I will quote from Hansard of February 19, "Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Within the next couple of weeks I will, hopefully, have a paper to take to the Cabinet to get approval. I will then be consulting with Members and the community people." I would like to ask the Minister, whether his paper has been submitted to the Cabinet and whether he received approval. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Can the Minister indicate if he received approval for the concept of increasing the rental scale on public units? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I received approval from Cabinet to do more work on the paper, to consult with the ordinary Members and the general public, and then take it back to Cabinet.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

It seems ironic that the Minister would go to Cabinet and ask permission to proceed with the consulting process. However, I would like to ask the Minister whether he has received approval from the Cabinet to increase the rental scales on public units? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

My final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. According to the comments he made on February 19, when does the Minister anticipate to receive approval with respect to looking at increasing the rental scale for public units? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is what we are going to do. We are going to look at changing the rental scale, whether that is by increasing, decreasing or staying the same for some. We will be looking at it. There is a process in place, the advisory committee of ordinary Members as well as community consultation. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 559-12(3): Extension Of Accreditation Arrangements For Arctic College

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs. First of all, I would like to thank the Minister for responding to my question of last week regarding Arctic College credits to southern institutions. Only seven post-secondary institutions have formal accreditation agreements with Arctic College. There are hundreds of post-secondary institutions in the provinces. We are limited to seven. I was wondering if the Minister could inform me if Arctic College is looking at making formal accreditation arrangements with other post-secondary institutions down south.

This would enable the people in the north, who devote two years of their lives to taking courses at Arctic College, an opportunity to further themselves if they choose. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are reviewing this particular matter. In fact, there are other post-secondary institutions which are cooperating with us in delivering some of the programs to a number of the regions. For example, work has been done with Grant McEwan and the University of Lethbridge in the management area. The honourable Member is aware of the management program at the University of Lethbridge. We are trying to cooperate in delivering a program similar to that particular program. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If Arctic College graduates want to further their education and want to go to an institution other than those who have formal accreditation agreements, what do they have to do to be accepted into the post-secondary institution they choose to go to?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Normally what occurs is the student should submit or send their transcripts to the appropriate institution for review. Once that review has taken place, the institution could possibly accept all the credits they have received, some of the credits they have received or none of the credits. However, that is the normal practice across the country from one post-secondary institution to another where you are transferring from one program to another.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 560-12(3): Policy On Government Seeking Restitution From Convicted Former Employees

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure whether this question is to the Minister of Justice or the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, I would like to know whether a policy has been developed with regard to seeking restitution from employees who have been found by the courts to fraud the government. Thank you.

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Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice.

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Michael Ballantyne

The question has been taken as notice. Item 5, oral questions. Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Item 8, replies to open address. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had my hand up for written questions, but you probably did not see it. I seek unanimous consent to go back to written questions.

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Michael Ballantyne

I did not see your hand, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Written Question 31-12(3): Restitution To The GNWT

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a written question for the Minister of Justice .

Would the Minister of Justice please provide the following information regarding restitution owed to the Government of the Northwest Territories:

a)a list of all court cases in the Northwest Territories during the past five years in which an individual was convicted of a criminal offence and ordered to pay restitution to the Government of the Northwest Territories, including the amount of money ordered to be paid in each case;

b)a listing of cases in which the full amount of restitution ordered to be paid has been received by the Government of the Northwest Territories;

c)a listing of cases in which the full amount of restitution ordered to be paid has not been received by the Government of the Northwest Territories, including the amounts outstanding; and,

d)a listing of cases in which the full amount of restitution has not been received and full payment is not being actively pursued by the Department of Justice, including the reasons that the restitution is not being pursued. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 6, written questions. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, petitions. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. Item 11, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 12, tabling of documents. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table Tabled Document 106-12(3), Family Law Review report. The report of the ministerial working group, which was struck in 1988, and tabled in this House in September, 1992, and again today. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 12, tabling of documents.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table Tabled Document 107-12(3), a copy of the resolutions made by the Gwich'in renewable resources councils at their annual general meeting which was held in Inuvik on March 17 to 19, 1993.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 12, tabling of documents. Item 13, notices of motion. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Motion 27-12(3): Extension Of Sitting Hours For Third Session

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Wednesday, March 4, I will move the following motion.

I move seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River that the Speaker be authorized to set such additional hours as required to assist with the passage of business before the House. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 13, notices of motion. Item 14, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 15, motions. Motion 26-12(3), Appointment of Members to the Advisory Committee on Social Housing, by Mr. Lewis . Mr. Lewis is not in the House. That motion will be stood down for the day. Item 15, motions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to address and proceed with my motion today. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you.

I MOVE seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River that the Speaker be authorized to set such additional hours as required to assist with the passage of business before the House. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The motion is in order. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I do not know whether I have to seek unanimous consent to go back to an earlier item, but we are still on motions, is that right, Mr. Speaker?

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Michael Ballantyne

I stood down your motion, Mr. Lewis , so I would ask you to seek unanimous consent. Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to return to the stood down motion on the appointment of Members to the Advisory Committee on Social Housing.

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Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Your motion is "unstood down," Mr. Lewis .

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Motion 26-12(3): Appointment Of Members To The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

WHEREAS the Advisory Committee on Social Housing was established by Motion 21-12(3);

AND

WHEREAS the terms of reference requires that the Advisory Committee on Social Housing consists of six Members of the Legislative Assembly and the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation ;

AND

WHEREAS it would be desirable to comply with the terms of reference;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for High Arctic , that Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Gargan , Mrs. Marie-Jewell and Mr. Ningark be appointed to the Advisory Committee on Social Housing.

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You need a new seconder, Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

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My seconder is Mr. Zoe , Mr. Speaker.

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The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 16, first reading of bills. Item 17, second reading of bills. Mr. Pollard .

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Bill 24: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1993

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nunakput , that Bill 24, Write-off of Debts Act, 1993 , be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker, this bill would authorize the write-off the debts owing to the Government of the Northwest Territories which are set out in the

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The motion is in order, Mr. Pollard . To the principle of the bill.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 24 has had second reading. Accordingly, the bill stands referred to a committee. Item 18, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 2-12(3), The Justice House - Report of the Special Advisor on Gender Equality; Tabled Document 19-12(3), 1992 Master Plan for Corrections Service Division; Tabled Document 91-12(3), Northwest Territories AIDS Project - Review; Tabled Document 92-12(3), HIV and AIDS in the NWT in 1993; Bill 5,

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Tony Whitford

Good afternoon. The committee will now come to order. What is the wish of the committee? Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, we hope to conclude the Department of Social Services main estimates, followed with Bill 5,

An Act to Amend the Social Assistance Act , and we will see how far we get after that. Thank you.

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The Chair

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . The committee concluded on Friday with the Department of Social Services and the

section was 13-10, alcohol, drugs and community mental health. Does the Minister wish to bring in her witnesses?

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Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. Sergeant-at-Arms, assist the Minister please. Madam Minister, please introduce your witnesses for the record.

Department Of Social Services

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have with me the deputy minister, Mr. Blair Dunbar, and the director of finance, Mr. Dave Tyler. Thank you.

Alcohol, Drugs And Community Mental Health

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. When we concluded we were dealing with comments on alcohol, drugs and community mental health. The total O and M for this section, $11.772 million. Agreed? Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Minister provide us with an update as to the number of alcohol and drug committees which are currently funded in the Northwest Territories?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are about 38 communities. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, the reason I asked this was that last week there was some comment from Members regarding the department's commitment with respect to alcohol and drugs. In reviewing Hansard, the Minister indicated that it was one of the priorities of the department. I certainly hope, as the Minister, she ensures this particular issue is a priority for her department. I would like to explain why.

In 1987 there were only eight or nine programs which were funded by the alcohol and drug committee funding division, that is only eight or nine communities which were funded. The expansion to 38 communities was to indicate to the territories that there was a commitment on trying to address alcohol and drugs, along with the amount of alcohol and drug rehabilitation facilities which were built in the north. In 1991 there were 38 funded. Now being 1993, there are still 38 being funded.

I think the Minister should take it as the comments not being directed at her but at the department, and their commitment as a department to ensure that the addressing of the alcohol and drug division is to be maintained by the department as a priority. Therefore, I would like to make those comments. That is the type of commitment a department makes when you see an increasing trend of how to address these alcohol and drug committees, and not a trend which is stagnant or stays at the same level as they have been in the past couple of years.

To say the department has a commitment, I would question whether there is a commitment. I do not believe there is a commitment by the department officials. However, I think this is why we have political people in there ensuring that the commitment of the House is adhered to. So, I would like to emphasize to the Minister that with concerns to addressing alcohol and drugs, and particularly the abuse with respect to the rehabilitation centre, must come under her direction to the department because obviously the officials will not do it. I felt it was critical to make this comment. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Alcohol, drugs and community mental health. Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Chairman, on Friday I made comments pertaining to this issue. The agreements which the department has with groups with regard to drug and alcohol programs, is there a provision that if the allotted amount of money which is given to a group is not used up before the end of the fiscal year, they have to give this surplus back?

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Is the department going to look at provisions of surpluses for the upcoming year? When people budget they try to be as accurate as the can. However, the whole area of funding for drug and alcohol programs is not adequate. I wonder if the department would take a serious look at this component of surpluses so there is flexibility within the program which is being administered by the local groups, to enable them to utilize their surpluses in various areas so they can do transfers within their budget. For instance, if they have a surplus in a certain area then they would be able to transfer it to a certain component.

As the Minister will recall, the Standing Committee on Finance made a recommendation that any surpluses for this program should be put back into the drug and alcohol program. To alleviate that problem, I am wondering if the department can take a look at the question of surpluses at the community level.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When the issue was raised with the friendship centre in Inuvik, related to the support and training for counsellors, they have a small building which they use for counselling after-care to people with alcohol programs, they take referrals, they offer care, maintenance and prevention. They have two people working in this place. Currently both are in training. They have to go to Alberta to take training at the Nechi Training Institute. The problem which has been brought to my attention, it is good training but it is not accredited.

The training at Nechi is not accredited and once they are finished a program, the individuals have achieved personal growth but they do not have any certificate which they can use to continue in university or other institutions. The issue is whether we in the north are going to be looking at any type of training institution or accredited training. We have heard a great deal.

One of the big initiatives of this government is to provide training, develop our people, and give them some kind of accreditation and some kind of meaningful training, and not just to have training to train and to get them through the training for a week so as to build our statistics but to provide them with meaningful training which they can develop, continue and have some kind of certificate or degree which they can use nationally or, perhaps, internationally.

I am wondering if in the area of alcohol, drugs, and mental health whether the department has been looking at any type of accredited training programs for the care givers.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The programs which Mr. Koe has spoken about are offered through Arctic College. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

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Mr. Chairman, I apologize. I missed the Minister's response.

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Rebecca Mike

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Mr. Chairman, the program which you were talking about are Arctic College programs.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

I know that, but I am asking whether the department is involved in the development of any of these programs. Arctic College delivers training, but the department funds the organization that runs or contributes to these organizations. I want to know whether the department is working with other departments, such as Arctic College or Education in developing these things.

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