Budget, Public Utilities Act, Financial Administration Act, Risk Capital Investments Tax Credits Act — 16 March 1999 (13th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 15–38)
1999-03-16, 13th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 15–38
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of March 16th, 1999
This is page numbers 15 - 38 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was nunavut .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Sessional Statement
Minister Absent From The House
Nunavut Election Results
Western Electoral Boundaries
Western Electoral Boundaries
Nunavut Election Results
Secondary Diamond Industry
Congratulations To Nunavut Mlas-elect
Representation Of Inuvik Constituents
Tuktoyaktuk To Inuvik Highway
Acknowledgement Of Constituents' Support
Acknowledgement Of New Nunavut Legislators
Congratulations To New Nunavut Government
Acknowledgement Of Support
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Planning
Arviat Health Centre Project Status
Affordable Transportation Strategies
Government's Position On De Weerdt Decision
Lease Increases In High Arctic Communities
Nwtpc Fuel Supply Contract
Transportation Strategy Completion
Revenue Canada Forms To Seniors
Nwtpc Fuel Supply Contract Process
Collective Bargaining And Pay Equity
Healthy Children Initiative
Down Payment Assistance Program
Update On Down Payment Program
Tabled Document 1-13(7): The Implementation Of The Nunavut Land Claims Agreement, Annual Report 1997-98
Tabled Document 2-13(7): Letters From The President Of Nti Regarding Consultations On Proposed Nunavut Legislative Initiatives
Extended Adjournment
Bill 1: Division Measures Act, 1999
Bill 2: Nunavut Statutes Amendment Act, 1999
Bill 3: Legal Registries Division Measures Act, 1999
Bill 4: Northwest Territories Power Corporation Division Measures Act
Bill 5: Nunavut Power Utilities Statutes Amendment Act
Bill 6:
An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act
Bill 7: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 1999
Bill 8: Interim Appropriation Act, 1999-00
Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 5, 1999-00
Bill 10: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1998-99
Bill 11: Write-off Of Assets Act, 1998-99
Bill 12: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1998-99
Bill 13:
An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act
Bill 14:
An Act To Amend The Risk Capital Investments Tax Credits Act And The Income Tax Act
Bill 15:
An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act
Bill 16:
An Act To Amend The Supplementary Retiring Allowances Act
Extended Adjournment
Bill 1: Division Measures Act, 1999
Bill 2: Nunavut Statutes Amendment Act, 1999
Bill 3: Legal Registries Division Measures Act, 1999
Bill 4: Northwest Territories Power Corporation Division Measures Act
Bill 5: Nunavut Power Utilities Statutes Amendment Act
Bill 6:
An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act
Bill 7: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 1999
Bill 10: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1998-99
Bill 11: Write-off Of Assets Act, 1998-99
Bill 12: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1998-99
Bill 14:
An Act To Amend The Risk Capital Investments Tax Credits Act And The Income Tax Act
Bill 1: Division Measures Act, 1999
Bill 2: Nunavut Statutes Amendment Act, 1999
Bill 3: Legal Registries Division Measures Act, 1999
Bill 4: Northwest Territories Power Corporation Division Measures Act
Bill 5: Nunavut Power Utilities Statutes Amendment Act
Bill 6:
An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act
Bill 7: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 1999
Bill 10: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1998-99
Bill 11: Write-off Of Assets Act, 1998-99
Bill 12: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1998-99
Bill 14:
An Act To Amend The Risk Capital Investments Tax Credits Act And The Income Tax Act
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Levi Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Mark Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Kevin O'Brien , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .
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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 15
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good afternoon and welcome to the reconvening of the Seventh Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly. I hope that all of you have had enough time with your family, friends and constituents since we last gathered. For our Members from the east, I know that for some of you, the election in Nunavut has brought new political challenges and for others, it has opened the door to new opportunities outside of the political arena. I am sure that you will agree that it has been an honour serving this Legislature and I am going to miss all of your valuable participation in the future.
I note the presence in the gallery today of the Premier elect for Nunavut, Mr. Okalik, and welcome him to the Legislative Assembly where I am sure we will show him only our good side today. We are in the final stretch to the historic date of April 1, 1999 when the Northwest Territories will divide and two new jurisdictions in Canada will be created. There is still a lot of work to be done between now and then. With only 15 days left, there are still many significant issues to consider and legislative initiatives to deal with.
So, I remind Members that I intend to be strict with the rules of the House so that we are able to move with the business of the Assembly as efficiently as we can. I ask Members to continue to be aware of their commitment to serve the people of their constituencies, indeed the whole NWT, in their deliberations with mutual respect and good intentions.
Welcome to the reconvening of the Seventh Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly.
Before we get on to the orders of the day, I wish to inform the House that I have received two letters dated March 11, 1999 which is in accordance with
section 76.05 of the Nunavut Act from the Acting Interim Commissioner of Nunavut. I would like to read the following letters received.
Dear Speaker:
The formal creation of Nunavut is now less then a month away. As we continue our preparation for this historic event, this bill amends several statutes that will be duplicated for Nunavut.
As required by
section 76.05 of the Nunavut Act, it is with pleasure that I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories the passage of the bill entitled Nunavut Statutes Amendment Act, 1999, during the Seventh Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly.
Yours truly,
Joe Adla Kunuk
Acting Interim Commissioner of Nunavut.
The second letter, again signed by the Interim Commissioner.
Dear Mr. Speaker:
The formal creation of Nunavut is now less than one month away. As we continue our preparations for this historic event, this bill reflects the determination of all parties to ensure uninterrupted service to the people of Nunavut in the critical area of electrical power generation and delivery.
As required by
section 76.05 of the Nunavut Act, it is with pleasure that I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories the passage of the bill entitled Nunavut Power Utilities Statutes Amendment Act, during the Seventh Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly.
Yours truly,
Joe Adla Kunuk
Acting Interim Commissioner of Nunavut
There is also a third letter that was written by the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. I would like to advise the House that I have received the following message from Her Honour, the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories.
Dear Mr. Speaker:
I wish to advise that I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories, the passage of the Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 5, 1998-99, and the Interim Appropriation Act, 1999-2000, during the Seventh Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly.
Yours truly,
Helen Maksagak
Commissioner
Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Minister's Statement 6-13(7): Sessional Statement
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 16
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome all the Members back and to welcome to this House, visitors in the gallery and those people at home who have joined us through television.
Before I begin I would like to join you, Mr. Speaker, in greeting two very important people in the gallery today. I am sure that all Members will join me in welcoming the Premier -Elect of Nunavut, Paul Okalik,
--Applause
and the Acting Interim Commissioner of Nunavut, Joe Adla Kunuk, to the House today.
--Applause
This session is very special. It is the last one of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories, as we know it today. It marks the end of an era, and more importantly, it is a new beginning for all northerners. The work during this session will be critical as we complete the last of the legislative requirements for the smooth transition to the two new territories. Before reviewing where we are in the division agenda, I would like to take a few moments to review how far this government has come and where we plan to go.
Mr. Speaker, when this government was elected in the fall of 1995 we were facing very difficult fiscal challenges. We had a rising deficit and a mounting debt. Spiralling expenditure requirements, particularly in the social envelope, combined with significant reductions in federal transfer payments, meant that we had to take some tough decisions in the way that we ran the government. For the sake of our children, and those who will follow them, the debt, the deficit, and the rising costs could not be ignored. We had to get our House in order.
Mr. Speaker, we were faced with tough choices, to cut programs or cut the cost of delivering them. When this government was elected, we were spending almost half our program dollars on administration. This had to change. The choice we made, and I firmly believe it was the correct one, was to save programs and to find more efficient and effective ways of delivering them. The most visible example of more efficient program delivery was the creation of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development from three different departments that had overlapping mandates.
This saved $10 million and made sure that we could continue the delivery of programs previously offered by the three departments. Throughout every department, we have found ways to work more effectively and for less money.
Fiscal restraint meant reducing the size of the territorial civil service, rearranging certain departments and privatizing some services. We knew that would not be easy. Under the circumstances, our staff has been very patient. They have shown true dedication to their work and I would like them to know how much that is appreciated.
The hard choices have begun to pay off. The Finance Minister , the Honourable John Todd , was faced with a huge challenge and the objective was reached. We have balanced our budget and plan to introduce a balanced budget for the next fiscal year.
--Applause
The new territories can begin their separate journeys without the burden of debt holding them back. Mr Speaker, we have been able to give our employees the security of knowing there would be no more layoffs during the life of this government.
Last fall Mr. Todd negotiated and signed a funding agreement with the federal government for the new Western Territory. This government had a pivotal role in the finalization of a similar agreement for Nunavut. These agreements give us the stability we need to plan our futures. Mr. Speaker, it is important to note the work that we have done over the past three years to ensure a smooth transition to two new territories. This session, we will naturally focus very closely on the work we must complete by March 31st. As MLAs, we will enjoy our last few days with our eastern colleagues, and we offer our congratulations to those who will be serving in the new Legislature and Government of Nunavut.
Mr. Speaker, it is important to briefly point out the size of what we have achieved with our other partners in this process. It is an encouraging sign for the future, Mr. Speaker, that we have been able to reach agreement on virtually all major tasks required to implement division.
In the short term, the Government of the Northwest Territories will continue to deliver some services in Nunavut until the government there has reached full capacity. I am pleased to note that we have been able to reach agreement on every single program requirement.
--Applause
Mr. Speaker, these agreements have not been reached without the occasional difference of opinion. However, it is important to note the spirit of goodwill and cooperation needed to make sure that it did happen. This government and the Legislative Assembly can be proud of the work that has been accomplished.
Mr. Speaker, the division measures legislation that will be introduced later today is the final step in this journey. During the first years of our mandate, our focus was on the smooth transition to two new territories. The most pressing priority was the creation of Nunavut. As we entered the final year of our mandate, our focus has included the future of the new Northwest Territories. The establishment of a new territory gives us a new opportunity to take a fresh look at where we are going. We all want a society that meets our needs and reflects our values. Northern society is made up of many different cultures.
I believe that fundamentally we have common interests, although at times we express these interests in very different ways.
- I believe we all want to participate in a political system which respects aboriginal rights and the rights of all northerners;
- We all want to become independent and self-reliant;
- We want our children to live in safe homes, free of violence; We want them to get a good education, through the school system and through their elders and other role models in our communities;
- We want to be sure that we all have access to excellent health care, no matter where we live;
- We want northerners to benefit from our northern economic potential, in terms of jobs, training and business opportunities;
- We want to protect our northern environment for generations to come;
- We want to be able to continue to pursue our traditional relationships with the land and its resources;
- We want our children to grow up in healthy communities and inherit a society which respects differences and makes them feel proud to be northerners;
- We want to show that we can work together and have a strong northern voice on the national agenda.
These things just do not happen. They must be built and nurtured with hard work, trust and respect. The role of government is to provide leadership, to listen, to take action.
This government has been listening. As a result we developed the "Western Agenda" -- a plan to provide us with the means to meet the needs of the northerners. The agenda includes:
- Getting governance right
- Restructuring our fiscal relationship with Canada
- Harnessing our economic potential, and
- Taking control of our resources
The society that we want can be achieved if we all work together and move ahead together. We all have to be part of developing the new territory. We listened, we took action and developed the western agenda, and now we are taking it to the people, discussing it and listening again. I introduced the agenda on television last month and have attended meetings with northern leaders from the south of the territory to the north, including members of the Western Caucus. Other Cabinet Members have been meeting with northerners.
It is our belief that this agenda will lead to a stronger territory and a better future for our children and grandchildren. But we can not do it alone. To achieve this we will work with our partners to create a form of government that is right for the new Northwest Territories, one that will meet the needs of northerners.
Mr. Speaker, this government and this Assembly have undertaken great tasks.
- We have balanced the books.
- We have paved the way for the smooth transition to two new territories.
- We have developed an agenda for the new Northwest Territories and are working with our partners to achieve a better future for our children.
While doing all this we have carried on the normal day-to-day business of the government, and, I believe, have improved the lives of northerners.
When this government was elected, Members gave themselves a special responsibility. We could have continued providing services the same way we always had. We could have just let change happen to us. Instead, we chose to take charge of our future. Under the leadership of Premier Don Morin , we agreed to make the hard choices because we knew that, in the end, we would build a stronger territory. As the current Premier , I plan to continue that work, right up to election day. There is still much to do to make a better future. We do not have the luxury of relaxing now.
In closing, Mr Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the hard work by all the Members of this Assembly during a very challenging period in our history. I am sure that all of us from the west join with me in wishing our eastern colleagues and all the people of Nunavut the greatest of success in the future. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
--Applause
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Minister's Statement 6-13(7): Sessional Statement
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 17
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Minister's Statement 7-13(7): Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 17
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House today to attend the Prospectors and Developers Conference in Toronto, Ontario.
As well, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Kelvin Ng will be absent from the House for today to attend to a personal matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .
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Member's Statement 18-13(7): Nunavut Election Results
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 18
John Ningark
Natilikmiot
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, 16 new Members were elected during the Nunavut election. I congratulate all the candidates and I also recognize the Nunavut elected candidates during the first election of Nunavut. I will not say all their names because there are too many of them, and I do not have enough time. I am also very glad that they have had elections in Nunavut and have elected people who are capable to work, and different races and responsibilities is quite obvious.
As of April 1, 1999, for the four coming years, the Members who will be in that term I am glad that they will continue with their work. It is obvious that Nunavut will be looked after quite well, but I am saying that the Nunavut people will be represented by their own people.
--Applause
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 18
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .
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Member's Statement 19-13(7): Western Electoral Boundaries
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 18
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to state for the record that I have not, I do not, and I will not be supporting the proposal for 19 seats for the western Legislature. I believe it is too much government, I believe that it is also too much money, over $1 million a year as we tell educators and communities, hospitals, needy groups that there is not enough money, that we have no more money.
I also believe that it is very clearly, a major shift in political battles of the fabric of the Northwest Territories as we now know it. This is going to have negative political implications for us as we move into a new territory after April 1st. Especially as we ask our summit partners, as the Premier indicated in his statement, as we go to our summit partners and ask for their support for a northern accord. As we ask for their support for a tax window, as we ask for their support for the transfer of jobs from Ottawa and such to the north.
It is going to be very difficult to once again spurn their position and not recognize their concerns on this issue and, on the other hand, ask them for their support. I think we are all going to pay a price for that down the road. We are going to have to work through it, but it is going to make our job much more difficult.
I think we should be looking at doing the minimum necessary to comply with the judgement, which is a 15 member option. We, as a Legislature very clearly, also have to make a decision and time is of the essence. Above all as we debate this very emotional and important issue, we have to protect the ability of the Legislature to function of course. Mr. Speaker, I will be prepared to accept once the final vote is in, the decision of the House on this issue.
Until that time, I will be making the case as strongly and as often as I can for the people I represent, and for myself on this very important issue, that the need to be very careful to do the minimum amount necessary. Until the final vote is in, Mr. Speaker, I feel that I have an obligation to raise these concerns. I think it is a fundamental importance to how we are going to evolve as a territory after April 1st. Thank you.
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Member's Statement 19-13(7): Western Electoral Boundaries
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Member's Statement 20-13(7): Western Electoral Boundaries
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker and colleagues. The issue of the electoral boundaries was very easily settled in Nunavut, but here in the west the controversy continues. I want people to understand some of the difficult issues that we have been grappling with since the result of the court challenge by the Friends of Democracy. A Judge ruled that three ridings in the west are deemed unconstitutional by virtue of their constituents being under-represented. These ridings are Hay River, Yellowknife North and Yellowknife South. The Legislature has until March 31, 1999, pending the results of an application for a stay to fix the numbers problem.
So let us look at the options. We can redraw all the boundaries, but with less than two weeks to work in, I do not think that is practical. We can address the problems of being too far over the average in two ways. By making a large riding smaller or making the small ridings larger. Either of these solutions would make some people unhappy. In making a large riding smaller, we need to add more seats in electoral districts. To make the small ridings larger, we have to combine them or attach them to parts of larger ridings. The Deh Cho, for example, could be increased by adding part of Hay River to it.
Tu Nedhe could be made larger by adding part of Yellowknife North to it. But there are problems with both of these scenarios however. People are worried that the balance of power to Yellowknife would have a negative impact. That this would become an issue of major centre versus regions. Adding a seat in Hay River and Inuvik make people concerned that the balance of power between larger centres and smaller communities will negatively impact small ridings.
Aboriginal people are concerned that any detraction of power and representation from the small ridings in favour of larger predominantly non-aboriginal centres will have a negative impact on the fulfilment of the goals and aspirations of aboriginal governments.
Some people are concerned that we should not be spending more money on more MLAs with other pressing requirements on our financial resources. Every one on all sides of this issue are concerned about their rights to fair representation. They say that the most sure way to avoid criticism is to say nothing and do nothing and be nothing. I think we have already tried that option and ended up with a successful court challenge.
What to do from here is a difficult question because no matter what we do, not everyone is going to be happy. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Member's Statement 20-13(7): Western Electoral Boundaries
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent.
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Member's Statement 20-13(7): Western Electoral Boundaries
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In spite of what my colleague from Thebacha says about 15 seats, I want to state for the record that I will not, have not, and cannot consider lopping off a significant part of my constituency, diminishing Hay River's presence in the new Western Territory in the interests of balancing the numbers. I am not prepared to impose extinguishment on small ridings, or rolling them up with non-traditional components in the interests of balancing the numbers. From a very pragmatic position, does Hay River need two MLAs?
Probably not, but we have a court ruling and a judgement which says fix the numbers. Given the options for adding or taking away, I believe that it is better to add.
The question of appealing the judge's decision is risky at best. We have not heard any good grounds for doing that to date. To be non-compliant with the order is to render three ridings non-existent on March 31st, one of them is my riding. Appeal is also a risk, in that appeal judges may not agree with Justice DeWeerdt's opinion that over-representation is acceptable in our unique territory but under-representation is not acceptable. An appeal could bring about the need to address the ridings which fall below 25 percent average. Right now, we are only being asked to address the situation of the ridings which exceed 25 percent over the average.
One advantage of adding to the number of Members is the number that would be available to share the committee workload, and the number of Members available to hold the government accountable. Required greatly in this mix is a healthy dose of trust, fairness and respect for each other in our very diverse, new, emerging territory. As stated in our press release, this matter and proposed changes to legislation will receive full debate in this House prior to being voted on.
As I have said, it is easy to be a critic, but if anyone out there has any ideas of how these concerns can be addressed differently, while still satisfying the test of constitutional compliance, of course we would greatly appreciate hearing from them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Member's Statement 20-13(7): Western Electoral Boundaries
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .
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Member's Statement 21-13(7): Nunavut Election Results
Item 3: Members' Statements
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome all of my colleagues back to the Assembly this afternoon, especially my friends from Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, I want to first acknowledge and offer my sincere thanks to the good people of my home community of Arviat, for their tremendous support in the February 15th election.
--Applause
Mr. Speaker, the trust and responsibility that my constituents have placed in me is genuinely appreciated and I will assure them that they will get 110 percent from me.
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Some Hon. Members
Hear, hear!
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger , you are included in my good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I look forward to working closely with the new Premier of Nunavut, Mr. Okalik, and his cabinet, and also all the new regular MLAs. I look forward to working in a cooperative manner that will serve all the people of Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, there is much work to be done in order to get Nunavut off to a good start. In order to accomplish this, we will have to work closely with our neighbours and good friends, the GNWT. We have numerous contracts that we have entered into that will, hopefully, benefit both new territories. Thank you.
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Member's Statement 21-13(7): Nunavut Election Results
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .
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Member's Statement 22-13(7): Secondary Diamond Industry
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about the secondary diamond industry, which is possible in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, recently I attended the opening of the BHP sorting facility and was reminded of all the hard work, the speeches, the threats, the cajoling that we had to do in order to get that sorting facility here in a community. I also attended Diavik's environmental hearings and made a presentation there.
I indicated that the NWT should benefit to the maximum extent possible from our diamonds, and that over 80 percent of the benefits occur after the diamonds are actually out of the ground, through a secondary industry such as cutting and polishing of diamonds, jewellery, cottage industry.
Mr. Speaker, a secondary industry in the north could mean hundreds of jobs and new businesses. These types of things would be different from mining jobs because they make money here, they spend their money here, and they pay their taxes here. I might add that these businesses and jobs could be in Hay River or Fort Smith or even Yellowknife, and I must say that they would be different from mining in that the mining jobs are often fly-in and fly-out, meaning that no money is spent here, and the income taxes are paid wherever their province is.
In order for this secondary diamond industry, Mr. Speaker, we need a steady, reliable source of rough diamonds. Unfortunately, we are not in a position to ensure that the north gets this from our own diamonds, and that is because we do not control our resources, so we have to rely on the federal government to do this; just as we rely on them to take most of the royalties and the benefits from our diamonds. At this time, Mr.
Speaker, I would urge the federal government to do what it has to, to ensure that we get a steady, reliable source of rough diamonds, whether it is through legislation or otherwise, and I also urge this government to keep the pressure on the federal government to ensure that we get the maximum benefit possible from our diamonds. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Todd .
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Member's Statement 23-13(7): Congratulations To Nunavut Mlas-elect
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, may I just add my congratulations along with my honourable colleague, Mr. Ningark , King of Natilikmeot, to the new MLAs-elect and the Nunavut government, and add my congratulations to, of course, the Premier -elect, Mr. Okalik. I particularly would like to congratulate, if I may, Jack Anawak and Mannie Thompson, who are going to represent my riding in the future. I have every confidence both these people will be able to represent it as well, if not better, than I did in the past. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .
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Member's Statement 24-13(7): Representation Of Inuvik Constituents
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, seeing that this is my first opportunity to stand up on this side of the House, I thought I would send greetings back to the constituents in Inuvik, and to inform them that, although I am now on this side of the House, I will still do my best to represent their concerns in this Assembly, at the same time balancing my new responsibilities as a Minister for the rest of the territories. So, just to inform the people back home that I am still here for them and working on behalf of their interests. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Steen .
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Member's Statement 25-13(7): Tuktoyaktuk To Inuvik Highway
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the Nunavut Members who are elected to the Nunavut Cabinet, as well as to the Nunavut Legislative Assembly.
I would also like to take this opportunity to advise my constituents that I have been informed that there is a meeting of stakeholders for the highway committee between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk, and that meeting will be scheduled to happen on Thursday, March 18th, in Inuvik, and I will be attending this particular meeting. At the appropriate time today, I will be asking the appropriate Minister, Mr. Roland , whether he will be attending the meeting as well.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
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Member's Statement 26-13(7): Acknowledgement Of Constituents' Support
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Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, also my colleagues, my fellow MLAs who are able to attend the meeting here, also the Premier -elect, I would like to welcome him to our Legislative Assembly; and I would like to thank my constituents in Rankin South, also Whale Cove. I will be representing them at the Nunavut Legislative Assembly and I would like to thank them for electing me on February 15th. I would like to congratulate the communities that I was representing, Repulse Bay, Chesterfield Inlet and Coral Harbour.
I represented them in the previous Legislature, and I will be asking to represent Baker Lake and Rankin for electing them, and I would like you to be pleased as well, for having me in this Legislature. Thank you. (Translation ends)
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .
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Member's Statement 27-13(7): Acknowledgement Of New Nunavut Legislators
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Levi Barnabas
High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First I would like to thank my constituents from the High Arctic, and it is going to be the constituency of Quttiktumiut under the Nunavut Legislature. Also, I would like to thank the people who were elected in the Nunavut Legislature, and I would like to welcome the Premier -elect for the Nunavut Government. I would also like to thank the western MLAs for sitting with me in this Legislature, and my other colleagues who were represented in this Legislature. Thank you. (Translation ends)
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Member's Statement 28-13(7): Congratulations To New Nunavut Government
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the people that I represent in the six communities in Nahendeh, I would like to congratulate the new Nunavut government, the Premier -elect, Paul Okalik, is here, and the Interim Commissioner, and I want to say that we, in the west, in my constituency, they are very concerned and very curious about what is going on in Nunavut, and we wish them all the best.
It was said that I was going to go east, I think there was an outstanding commitment to hopefully go to Coral Harbour and look at the Kerchoffer River bridge, and also I had wanted to go walrus hunting or something. I hope those opportunities are still there after division. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .
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Member's Statement 29-13(7): Acknowledgement Of Support
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Mark Evaloarjuk
Amittuq
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and your Honour. I think I have to also thank, first of all, people that we had just heard, the aboriginal organizations that have been developing in their regions since the 1970's. I knew the people when I was representing ACL, some of the Dene people are represented in the cooperative movement. Also for a federation of cooperative federation had membership from the Dene regions, as well as the Inuit regions. They are very well represented and have good representation from the Dene areas. I would like to thank them very much for helping me out.
I would like to thank, as well, my constituents from Igloolik as well as Hall Beach who have elected me, even though I was not elected in majority. I would like to thank the people who voted for me. Also all of my fellow Inuit, even though I will not be attending the Nunavut Legislature, we are always involved in the decision-making process, so I will be helping both sides of the western Legislature as well as the eastern Legislature. Our representatives who are going to be representing us from my region, I will be helping and supporting them in regard to financial matters.
The financial situation in Nunavut will have to be taken care of and even though we are not going to be right at the legislation part, we will support the MLAs in that region from the eastern Arctic. I will be seeing them in that area, I am sure. Thank you.(Translation ends)
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Roland .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For those who are wondering why I did not send greetings to my wife and children back home, I have the opportunity today to recognize them here in the gallery. My son Samuel in the front row and beside him is Justin. In the back there is Courtney and Quincey and in the arms of my lovely wife is Mitchell, and of course, my wife who has kept our family in organization while I have been spending a lot of time down here. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a friend of mine, a constituent from Arviat, Lawrence Pameolik.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. For the rest of the people, welcome to the Assembly. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Steen .
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Question 6-13(7): Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Planning
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation , the Honourable Floyd Roland . Mr. Speaker, as I said in my statement, I referred to the fact that there is a committee meeting planned in Inuvik on Thursday, March 18, for consideration of exactly what is happening towards development or construction of the road between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk, how far the plans are advancing, and as well as what exactly happened with the consultant's report.
That I believe is what we have been told what the meeting is going to consist of. I plan to be at that particular meeting. Mr. Roland , who also has constituents with a very large interest in this road going ahead, no doubt has constituents who would like to know what his opinions are now that he is a Minister. I would like to know if Mr. Roland , as the Minister of Transportation , plans to attend this meeting at all? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Roland .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Member from Nunakput , Mr. Steen , for that question. I will be attending, I just so happen to be travelling back to my constituency of Inuvik that day and will be taking
part in the strategy meeting that will be taking place in Inuvik. The Member is correct, there are a number of issues that are ongoing and following up on further meetings as to where we are right now with the strategies. We will be taking that information, and I am hopeful that I can present to my Cabinet colleagues as we wrap up these strategies with a number of options to move forward with. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Steen .
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Supplementary To Question 6-13(7): Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Planning
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In supplementary, would the Minister be confirming then that this particular meeting, at this point in time, the government has no strategy in place?
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Roland .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, the Department of Transportation which I now represent has been working on a strategy. There are four, I am sure everyone is aware, the Slave Geological Province, the Mackenzie Valley Highway, Inuvik/Tuktoyaktuk Highway and the acceleration of Highway #3 reconstruction; those are, in fact, all being worked on at this time. As I said earlier, hopefully we will be able to come up with a number of options in the very near future that I can take forward to my Cabinet colleagues. We do have, in fact, a strategy that is under way but I could not give the Member a strategy in hand today because it is not complete. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Steen .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister be prepared to confirm that at this point in time the highway between Tuktoyaktuk and Inuvik is still an option, it would be considered as part of the strategy?
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Roland .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I would like to confirm with the Member that the Inuvik/Tuktoyaktuk highway is still a part of the strategy and is still an option that will be worked on. As I said, again, once we have completed all the strategies and wrap up, I will be able to present to my colleagues in Cabinet options from that point on we will be able to move forward with. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .
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Question 7-13(7): Arviat Health Centre Project Status
Item 6: Oral Questions
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the P3 projects. I am not quite sure who that is but, I believe it is Mr. Todd . I wonder if the Minister could update me as to what is the status of the P3 project as it relates to the Arviat Health Centre?
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Question 7-13(7): Arviat Health Centre Project Status
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The tender of the RFP closed on that project three or four weeks ago. I believe that evaluating the two proponents that were brought forward, I am optimistic that we will be able to make a recommendation to the new government to proceed with this project, and of course will be subject to them whether they, in fact, agree to continue or not. Certainly, I am optimistic that within the next week to ten days we will be able to get a recommendation brought forward to proceed with the project in Arviat and get this health centre that has been outstanding for some time now completed. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Prior to Christmas there was a question as to, this question may not be relevant now but, there was a question as to the Interim Commissioner's Office had spending authority of only $400,000 and that we have to go back to Ottawa to have that looked into. Is that still relevant or is it not part of the equation now?
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Given that we are probably about two weeks away from a new government, I am not quite sure when you will be sworn in, but I do not think that it would be relevant. You will have full legislative and spending authorities in keeping with the budget that we set with the Interim Commissioner, Mr. Jack Anawak, at the time.
As I say, I am confident and optimistic that we will make a positive recommendation to proceed with this project and that Mr. O'Brien and others will then have to carry the case to the new government and make sure that we get it up and running this year. It certainly is my intent to try to get a decision and recommendation made as quickly as possible so that project can get under way and get the piles on the ground and get the project moving forward on the first sealift of this year, which is in early July. We can only make a recommendation and I am confident we will be able to do that within the next two weeks. Thank you.
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Question 8-13(7): Affordable Transportation Strategies
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to my former seatmate and now Minister of Transportation . It is in regard to, in fact, the transportation strategy. In the past, the Minister and I have had numerous conversations about the need to move away from hugely expensive mega projects. They are impossible to fund, to try to come up with a more doable kind of strategy where the communities could possibly each start working at their end of the roads over the course of the winter and summer and so many kilometres a year.
I would like to ask the Minister if, in fact, now that he is in a position to influence these kinds of decisions, whether he still has that kind of thought in his mind when it comes to the transportation strategy? Thank you.
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Can I ask the Member for Thebacha to rephrase his question. You can ask the Minister about the transportation policy that is under his department, but his thoughts on transportation I must rule out of order. Would you like to rephrase your question?
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will not make any reference to the Minister's thoughts or lack of them. I will ask the Minister, is transportation looking at an approach with their transportation strategy that will be more affordable that communities could start possibly working on advancing highways out of their communities towards each other or to connect with the existing highway? Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As mentioned earlier, the highway strategy does look at a number of options that would be put forward and just to inform the Member that I do take this job very seriously about how things flow. We have had discussions previously on how this might unfold but as of yet we have not finalized the strategies. I have not been able to bring the options forward to my Cabinet colleagues but indeed, one of the things we hoped to come out for is a long term vision of how we can connect the north and the communities to one another that would reduce prices in all of the communities by a lot of money substantially. Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I applaud the work ethic of the Minister because I have worked beside him all these years and I know he is a real workhorse. I was not paid to say that either. Could the Minister indicate, given the advance stage of the transportation strategy, will there, in fact, be time to effect possible conclusions and recommendations that would reflect some of the things that he just mentioned in his previous response? Is there enough time left to, in fact, do that? Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to inform the Member once we have finalized a strategy, a number of options, as I said earlier, will be presented to my colleagues in Cabinet and from there we will be able to select the best options to move forward with and consideration as a whole, the soon to be Western Territory, when we look at the road strategies. Once we have that finalized, we will be able to move forward and inform all the Members as to what option we selected are we are trying to move forward with. Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate when he anticipates this process will be concluded and the transportation strategy that will be there for committee consumption as well as Cabinet consideration? Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the things with this highway strategy, there has not been an absolute time line, a deadline to meet. We are hoping that in the early new year, fiscal new year, we will be able to finalize the strategies and bring those forward. At that time, they will be able to go out to the committees for them to review and look at as well.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . We had undertaken an Electoral Boundaries Commission that this Legislature had in 1998 and the results of that commission were rejected by this Assembly. That decision has since been challenged in the courts and a ruling has been issued. My question, Mr. Speaker, is, what is the government's position with respect to this ruling by the courts? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
Mr. Premier , if you can respond on the government's position as opposed to a legal opinion.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This ruling was done very recently and last week on Thursday and Friday the Western Caucus was debating and discussing it. The position of the government is that there is going to be a notice of motion introduced in the House, Bill 15,
An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act. So there is notice to move in that direction today, but really the whole decision really rests with the Western Caucus, and as a Cabinet we still have to sit down and discuss this whole move and at this present time we have not done that yet. However, as I said, it is really upon the direction of the Western Caucus that we will move forward. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I am sure the Premier is aware, we are on a very tight time frame. We have 15 days left before some actions will take place as a result of this court ruling. Am I to understand that it is the position of the government that they will comply with this court order? Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
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Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are moving forward. This is the first day of this session and we will break until Monday again, but we are giving notice of a Bill 15, today, and we will proceed from there. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, the legislation then, Mr. Speaker, that the Premier refers to then would be legislation that would bring this Legislature into compliance with the judge's order? Thank you.
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Levi Barnabas
High Arctic
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to my Nunavut colleague, Manitok Thompson , who is still responsible for MACA. I represent three communities which are not tax-based and there has been assessment through the homeowners, although there were no improvements in their lots, there is significant increase in the lease. I would like to know why there is a significant increase on the lease? Thank you.
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Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We did a land reform initiative which authorized the communities now to set their own rates on land leases. Under the Nunavut Land Claims, the authority has been given to the hamlets to set their own land leases, so it is now up to the communities to decide how much money they have to collect from the property owners of their communities.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to know whether the hamlets or homeowners were consulted before the leases increased? Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We did some consultations for quite some time in the beginning of this three years of this government with the communities and also through the NWTAM, so I do know that the hamlet councils have also been consulted on the land reform initiative. Thank you.
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. Mr. Speaker, recently there was a contract issued or awarded for the resupply of fuel for various power plant locations in Nunavut. I wonder if the Minister could update me with some details of this particular contract? Thank you.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my understanding is a company by the name of Woodward Oil has been awarded the contract for delivery of oil in that region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope there are more details available than that, so I guess I would follow that up with a question as to, I believe a three-year contract was
awarded. My question is why was this awarded with only a number of months left before division? These are Nunavut communities, the Nunavut government will come into play in the next few weeks. I wonder if the Minister could provide more detail as to why a three-year contract was awarded given the timeframe in Nunavut? Thank you.
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Charles Dent
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Power Corporation's operations could not be stopped. If, in fact, we had waited until after the creation of Nunavut, there might have been some concern about whether or not oil could have been delivered this shipping season. It was imperative that the process be undertaken and dealt with as it was. It is important to point out that the Power Corporation will continue to be operated as a single entity for the next two years, and therefore we have ensured that the most cost-effective method of providing fuel for the Power Corporation operations in this region has been adopted. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, was it possible to just extend the existing contract for another year, as opposed to awarding a three-year contract?
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a tender was put out to see if we could get the best possible price, so there was no consideration given to just extending the contract. The intention was to make sure that we got the best price possible for residents in the area.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware that we have to do what is in the best interest of saving dollars, but it is my understanding that it was a local company that was also in the running for this contract, and unfortunately a company from outside the north was selected to deliver this contract. Was northern preference considered when this contract was awarded? Thank you.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, northern preference is not a factor in considering fuel purchases by either the Government of the Northwest Territories or the Power Corporation in their operations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Transportation , Mr. Roland . Mr. Speaker, my question follows up on my honourable colleague from Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger 's question as to when the transportation strategy is going to be in place. I am a bit concerned about the response from the Minister as to our timelines. I wonder if the Minister can confirm that we will have a transportation strategy to debate in this House before June session's close, and that we will have a strategy in place before this government's term expires? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated earlier, I am hopeful that I can have something which I can bring forward to my Cabinet colleagues and then flow from there to the committees early in our new fiscal year. If everything works according to plan we would be hopeful to present something, at least so we can have, if not this Assembly, then the next Assembly be able to act on the work we have done to date; but, until we actually move forward and I get the options through Cabinet, I could not give a firm date as to when we would like to see this happen.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is now for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . It would seem that a number of seniors in my constituency, and I am sure in others, recently received from this government a form called a T5-007, indicating that they had received income in a previous year for which they would have to now report to Revenue Canada. This caused some concern to these seniors because, of course, this would affect a readjustment of income in previous years, and I know that for a senior this is particularly
troublesome. I know when I get an envelope that has got Revenue Canada at the top, I do not particularly look forward to seeing what is inside. Mr. Speaker, could the Minister please explain for us what the purpose of these T5-007s is?
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This would probably be a better question for the Minister of Finance who may know more about tax forms than I do. Mr. Speaker, I was unaware of this situation until the Member questioned me about it just before session today, and I have not been able to get a response yet, so I will have to take the question as notice.
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Question 14-13(7): Nwtpc Fuel Supply Contract Process
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question, again, is directed to the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation in reference to the fuel resupply contract that was issued for various locations in Nunavut. Would the Minister tell us what type of tender or RFP or RFQ, whatever it was, which was it that was awarded? Thank you.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Mr. Speaker, it was a Request for Proposal.
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Minister could tell this House whether price was the major deciding factor in awarding this contract to an outside company?
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, price was not the major factor. Both firms that did submit proposals were very similar in price. It was in the evaluation of other criteria that the decision was made. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Minister would be so kind as to inform the House as to what other criteria were considered aside from price, awarding this contract to a company outside the Northwest Territories?
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am advised that the other criteria included things such as payment terms, contract risk, contract administration, risk and flexibility, customer service and the desirability of a future competitive purchasing environment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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O'Brien
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is it fair to say that a company that has been doing business in the Northwest Territories and the eastern Arctic for the last 25 years, such as NTCL, did not meet these other criteria? Is that what the Minister is saying?
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Mr. Speaker, The evaluation showed in these other criteria that Woodward Oil came out somewhat ahead and that was the reason for the decision. I did not say that NTCL could not meet them.
One important aspect to note in my previous answer, Mr. Speaker, was the potential for a competitive environment in the future. This is one area that was taken into account when they awarded this tender. It is also important to point out that it would appear that NTCL will be awarded the contract for delivery of about 85 percent of our total requirements across the Northwest Territories. We are not talking about a huge loss for the company. In fact, they are still going to be the largest shipper of oil for this government and for the Power Corporation in the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance . It is in regard to the
critical issues relating to staff and unresolved personnel issues, specifically, pay equity and the collective agreement. Could the Minister update this House as to the status of those initiatives? Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There really are two issues, or three. One is the collective agreement, one is the settlement agreement with respect to pay equity and the other issue which was raised by a number of Members was, what are you doing about the non-unionized employees on the pay equity side?
On the non-unionized employees, Cabinet colleagues support me, and we are going to provide them with the same benefits as the other members with respect to pay equity, that is going to get done and is being done as we speak. On the collective agreement, they are out right now asking the membership to vote on it, and I hope, and I am confident that our employees will sign off that collective agreement, because it puts significant new dollars in their hands. In particular, there are some areas where we have had some problems, community nurses, et cetera, along with, of course, everybody else.
On the pay equity sensitive issue, as most of you know now, we did send out and were given legal advice on our right to send out a letter to individual employees, indicating to them what the pay equity would be in accordance with our calculations and our belief that the Hay Plan Evaluation System was a fair gender neutral one. We have had considerable success in the returns to date. We have somewhere in the region of about 64 percent of people have signed off on the pay equity and have returned it, and we are trying to issue the cheques as quickly as we can.
We have extended the deadline, if you want, for returning the pay equity agreements until the end of March, and I am optimistic that we will get somewhere between 70 percent or more of our employees signing off on the pay equity issue. Hopefully, at the end of the day, by doing this, we will have concluded a very tough and difficult issue for a number of our employees and to some extent, reduced the long-term liability that two new governments may have if there are any future liability issues that unfold in the coming years, because it will literally take years for us to try and resolve this issue with the Tribunal with the Commission.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate as to whether the vote on the collective agreement will be in before the end of the month, so that there will be certainty and could he also put a number to the 64 percent? What does that translate into in terms of a large number compared to what? Thank you.
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We indicated to the UNW that it was imperative they move quickly to allow the membe