Budget, Oral Questions — 18 October 2013 (17th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 2955–2984)

2013-10-18, 17th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 2955–2984

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Budget, Oral Questions — 18 October 2013 (17th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 2955–2984)

2013-10-18, 17th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 2955–2984

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of Oct. 18th, 2013

This is page numbers 2955 – 2984 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 76-17(4): October 2013 Session Fiscal Update

Minister’s Statement 77-17(4): Income Security Program Improvements

Members’ Statements Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

Yellowknife Farmers Market

Update On Inuvik Gas Situation

Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

Premier’s Response To Giant Mine Remediation Proposal

Specialized Care

Northern Farm Training Institute

Passing Of Chris Bergman

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

Territorial Midwifery Services And Child And Family Services Centres

Inuvik Gas Conversion Impacts

Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

Closing Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

Issues Arising From New Health Facility In Hay River

Human Papilloma Virus Vaccination Program

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder

Exporting Northern Hydroelectric Power

Beaufort-Delta Ferry Service

Written Question 28-17(4): Support For Single Parents In The Sahtu Region

Tabled Document 122-17(4): News Release: Yellowknife Centre MLA Concerned About Giant Mine Remediation Proposals

Appointment Of Conflict Of Interest Commissioner

Giant Mine Remediation

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 10:01 a.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Before we start today I’d really like to wish a happy birthday to one of my elders back in my home community of Tuktoyaktuk, Persis Gruben. Her birthday is on Sunday, the 20th ,

and she’s 95 years old.

---Applause

I was speaking with her daughter-in-law last night, and in this day and age for our elders to live this long is a blessing to us. I’m sure she’s seen many changes in her lifetime from dog team to trucks to planes, from telephones to cell phones and computers. Just yesterday she was on FaceTime with her daughter-in-law and she couldn’t believe the technology.

Her wealth of knowledge about the land, our culture and traditions is invaluable, as well as our Inuvialuktun language. She always tells her children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, and even myself and anybody she talks to, respect the land and to respect each other.

Persis still lives and maintains her own home in Tuk today and is sharp as a whip. Her irreplaceable knowledge of values will benefit all our generations. We truly have a gem. I’d like to wish her many more years to come and good health and happiness. Have a good birthday party in Tuk on Sunday. I am unable to attend, but have a good birthday party. I wish I was there.

Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Minister Miltenberger .

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Minister’s Statement 76-17(4): October 2013 Session Fiscal Update

Ministers’ Statements

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I want to take this opportunity to update Members on our fiscal situation and discuss some of the things we are looking forward to in the near-term.

Two years ago this Assembly created a plan to restore fiscal balance after years of stimulus spending and deficits, and to provide resources

required to tackle our $3 billion infrastructure deficit. I am happy to report today that the plan is on track. We have constrained spending growth, reduced short-term borrowing, and achieved an increase in our borrowing limit. As a result, we have kept our promise made in February’s budget to increase capital investment by $50 million in each of 2014-15 and 2015-16.

Our fiscal situation is basically unchanged from the 2013-14 budget. However, the global economy remains fragile and its recovery from the recession is slow and uneven. Therefore, we continue to closely monitor revenues and expenditures to ensure we achieve our fiscal targets. Our efforts to reallocate money to fund new initiatives and make all our programs more efficient and effective mean that we are on track to generate required surpluses in 2013-14 and for the remainder of this Assembly so that we may begin to address our infrastructure deficit.

Our main fiscal challenge continues to be to hold the line on expenditure growth so we can make infrastructure investments that can transform our economy by lowering costs for residents and businesses in remote communities and opening corridors to previously inaccessible markets and resources. Our medium-term economic growth will depend on transformational investments such as the Mackenzie Valley fibre optic link and the Mackenzie Valley Highway.

Our ability to fund infrastructure investment is built on a foundation of fiscal sustainability outlined in our Fiscal Responsibility Policy. Using operating surpluses to help pay for infrastructure investment is instrumental in keeping debt levels sustainable and contributes significantly to our Aa1 credit rating. Fiscal sustainability also opens opportunities to take advantage of federal partnership in building infrastructure through the new Building Canada Plan expected to be announced in the next fiscal year.

Looking forward, April 1, 2014, marks the beginning of the last major transfer of responsibility to our government as we embark on new responsibilities managing the lands, waters and resources of our territory. The Territorial Formula Financing Grant will increase by $67.3 million to help us fund these responsibilities. Work is underway to ensure those resources are allocated appropriately to allow us to

maintain high standards of program delivery in these new areas of responsibility.

As well, beginning next year Northerners will, for the first time, benefit directly from resource revenues. We have included preliminary resource revenues forecasts in the fiscal framework, and continue to investigate the sensitivity around these forecasts. However, we will not receive the majority of the new resource revenues until 2015 because of the timing of royalty collections. The timing of resource revenues combined with their sensitivity to commodity prices mean that we have to be prudent in our fiscal planning to ensure we are not overcommitting a volatile revenue source.

Continuing the 17th Assembly’s commitment to seek

Northerners’ opinions and consensus on how to build our collective future, the Department of Finance has launched discussions on fiscal priorities and management of resource revenues. This follows our budget dialogue sessions last year to seek Northerners’ views on how to achieve our goal of living within our means. Delivering on last year’s promise, we are reporting back on what we heard, what we have done with what we heard, and where we are headed. Last year’s budget made great strides investing in the priorities we heard, and we stay committed to incorporating Northerners’ views as we build next year’s budget.

Like last year, we are taking this year’s budget dialogue to the regions by visiting all of the regional centres, bringing in representatives from the other communities and inviting people to write in. We are also asking Northwest Territories residents to tell us what they think about our plan for a resource revenue legacy built on infrastructure investments, reducing the debt burden, and permanent savings in the Heritage Fund, as well as our approximately $1.6 billion budget. We are asking Northerners how they see these investments being made.

The approach to managing resource revenues we develop in the coming months will be determined by what we hear about the kind of future Northerners want for themselves, their children and grandchildren. I look forward to everyone’s participation in this very important conversation.

Devolution does not change the Government of the Northwest Territories’ fiscal strategy to generate surpluses to ensure infrastructure is financed responsibly and sustainably. While resource revenues provide added fiscal flexibility in infrastructure investment and debt management, they will not be used to fund operating expenditures. We will continue our emphasis on disciplined spending to ensure we remain fiscally sustainable.

Prudent planning in the early days of this Assembly has enabled us to protect programs and services while accumulating resources needed to begin to address our infrastructure deficit. At this, the

halfway point of the 17th Legislative Assembly, we remain committed to this path of fiscal sustainability that ensures investments in today and tomorrow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 76-17(4): October 2013 Session Fiscal Update

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 77-17(4): Income Security Program Improvements

Ministers’ Statements

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Mr. Speaker, the department continues to improve income security programs and services based on a report from the Auditor General in March 2013. We received valuable feedback from the Standing Committee on Government Operations in June 2013. As we move forward with effective, efficient government, client service is at the forefront of our minds.

Mr. Speaker, to date the department has made a number of improvements based on the Auditor General’s report, recommendations from standing committee, and on actions identified and planned through our own review.

We have improved training and communication with front-line staff by producing quarterly newsletters with policy clarifications, instructions, reminders and information. We are using web-based technology to present training sessions, producing new plain language policy manuals, and hiring a trainer with expert program delivery knowledge. We will continue our efforts by ensuring that all client services officers participate in Mental Health First Aid training, and attend competency-based and disability sensitivity training.

A healthy, educated northern workforce is our future. We have streamlined the Child Care Benefit, and improved payment times to support parents to stay employed. We have enhanced the Senior Home Heating Subsidy Program. We have also increased benefits to students attending post-secondary education, with an additional increase for students with disabilities. We are committed to the 17th Assembly’s priority of increasing

employment opportunities where they are most needed, by encouraging people to enter and remain in the workforce.

One of the most important pieces of work we are developing is a standard practice for integrating services with other departments. This will directly support and streamline services for those clients that require assistance from various government departments. Many clients live with complex challenges like disabilities that need to be considered as we serve their needs.

Our regional managers now have an audit tool and a file review process. We completed five community compliance audits last year and five to date for this

fiscal year. We are completing the overpayment project to recover costs and auditing 10 percent of student financial assistance files each year. We need to make sure that our clients are getting the right level of support.

Mr. Speaker, we are committed to thoroughly implementing our program improvements. Some can be done quickly and others will take time. We are ensuring our programs are transparent, accountable, evaluated, and provide valuable reporting that helps us make continual improvements. We are confident that we are on the right path.

I look forward to providing the House with continued updates on the progress we make on income security programs. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 77-17(4): Income Security Program Improvements

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Members’ Statements Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For many years the community of Tsiigehtchic has been asking for a full-time nurse. The request made it into the Health and Social Services 2010-2011 Business Plan; however, the Minister of Health reneged on that commitment.

Also in this House, in February of 2013 another promise was made, but we are still awaiting action, Mr. Speaker.

The lack of housing has been mentioned as a barrier but this is no longer a problem, for the community has set aside housing specifically for a nurse.

Imagine the feeling of insecurity not to have a health care practitioner close by. Imagine having to travel to Inuvik and, in the process, spending precious income on travel, meals and accommodations. Worse still, imagine forgoing treatment altogether because you can’t afford to travel. These are the realities in Tsiigehtchic. Honestly, it is a shameful situation. It is plain old-fashioned discrimination against people in the small communities. This government has to do better.

The Minister of Health would become famous in the Mackenzie Delta if he were to find a way to station a permanent nurse or licenced practical nurse in Tsiigehtchic. I ask the government to respond this time with a firm commitment, by weighing in the minimal financial costs against the obvious social and moral benefits.

This issue is a test of this government’s principles and priorities. If this government is serious about

enhancing primary care in small communities, there will be a year-round licenced practical nurse in Tsiigehtchic. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to speak about the Lafferty ferry in Fort Simpson. At a recent constituency meeting, constituents raised the idea that perhaps it’s time for our ferry to start opening earlier, about 6:00 a.m. It currently runs at 8:00 a.m. until midnight. I believe that’s a great idea, because in the past two years I’ve seen an increased demand for ferry services at an earlier hour.

As well, constituents have raised the idea that it will, in fact, help constituents with their travel plans for better travelling connections, so I believe the 6:00 a.m. start is a good idea.

I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation questions at the appropriate time. Thank you very much.

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Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a song titled “These Boots are Made for Walking.” However, I won’t do that song here.

---Laughter

The Sahtu will be idle no more. We want to work. We want to build our region. As I mentioned yesterday, the Sahtu is on the verge of making real and solid contributions to the North. We will do it and you can help, Mr. Speaker, and the Legislative Assembly can help. You can even give us a hand at building the North.

As I stated yesterday, 35 percent of families are headed by single parents in Deline. There are 26 percent of people in Colville Lake living in a house with six or more people. Fort Good Hope has 27 percent of families headed by single parents, 18 percent in Norman Wells, and 32 percent in Tulita. We have single families who are working. They need to have proper infrastructure such as daycare homes and training provided for them. Forty-two percent of people are working in Deline, 44 percent in Colville Lake.

Our people are ready to work, as I stated earlier. We need to set up some training institutes for the people in the Sahtu. Our dollar in the Sahtu doesn’t

go quite as far as the dollar in Yellowknife. A hundred dollar bill doesn’t stretch as far as it does in the southern communities.

We want to work. I believe my people are ready to work if we create the opportunities for them. I call on this government to open up an investment treasure chest, invest in the Sahtu, invest in them now.

I will have further questions for the Minister later on in the Assembly. Thank you.

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Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Yellowknife Farmers Market

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize members of the Yellowknife Farmers Market for their very successful first season. The Farmers Market was started by two friends of the land, France Benoit, a Weledeh constituent, and Amy Lizotte. They say their idea caught on quickly, with many helpful volunteers.

The market operated in the Samba K’e Park next to the Yellowknife City Hall every Tuesday evening for 12 consecutive weeks. Over 70 vendors throughout the summer enjoyed total sales of over $140,000. Based on studies of other farmers markets in Canada, this farmers market likely contributed over half a million dollars to the Yellowknife economy.

I visited the market several times over the summer and it was a wonderful place. People had stalls selling fish, berries, birch syrup, fresh eggs from Hay River, fresh local produce, delicious home baked goods, international cuisine, and crafts. Early in the season, vendors sold out quickly, so shoppers learned to arrive promptly and vendors increased their supplies as they could.

During June start-up the city staged its summer garden parties at the same time as the Farmers Market, providing a great example of local government working with the community. Entire families came out to enjoy the festivities. Health and Social Services inspectors contributed to market success via their open communications and willingness to try something new. Their reward: a vibrant addition to our community.

Market collaborators greatly appreciated the role of ITI, who funded the NWT Farmers’ Association to bring up the president of the Ontario Farmers Market Association for a “Farmers Market 101” workshop in Yellowknife and another in Hay River, a truly sound investment.

Premier McLeod and myself, perhaps others, were invited to ring the opening bell for the market, a real honour.

What started as a small volunteer initiative has quickly become a fully functioning farmers market

cooperative, and I hear that there will be a Christmas farmers market this December. We seem to have a model here that could be successful throughout the Northwest Territories.

Colleagues, please join me in offering our hearty congratulations to all involved. Here’s to next spring. I can’t wait. Mahsi.

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Yellowknife Farmers Market

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Update On Inuvik Gas Situation

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to rise in the House and speak to an initiative that I’ve spoken to on many occasions, and that’s the Inuvik gas situation.

Last week there was a pretty big meeting in Inuvik where there was a lot of concern from the community about business and residential. Yesterday I spoke about eradicating poverty in the Northwest Territories, but with the situation we have going on in Inuvik right now, the operating people at or below the poverty line were having a hard time just making ends meet.

I know that we’ve had this discussion before, where we’ve said people are paying now what other people are paying in the communities and what people are paying for diesel. However, some of these people who switched to natural gas years ago, including this government, are finding that we’re making decisions based on the prices that we were thinking we were going to pay for a longer period of time. Now we’re finding the situation where plans that we’ve made in the past are affecting our financial situation now.

You just have to look at the budget for housing and the amount of money that has increased in terms of money going into housing units.

I’d just like to address that this government has been doing a lot since the situation has come up. I know they’ve been mediating between the Town of Inuvik and Inuvik Gas, and working to supplement this situation that has been really hurting the residents and the businesses of Inuvik.

I guess my next course of action, rather than always hitting the government well now, rather than the oil well or the gas well, is that we have to find ways where we can mitigate the use of the fuel consumption in Inuvik and find ways for people who have been paying high costs of living that can’t actually access some of these alternative energy sources such as biomass, creating a different type of policy. We’re having some double-income homes who want to switch over to biomass but they can’t afford that initial start-up cost.

I’m going to have questions today for the Minister of ENR about the policy, in terms of how we can get

these people on the system, as well as looking at housing and how can Housing regulate the energy consumption with our housing tenants so that the energy and the gas can last a little bit longer in the community of Inuvik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Update On Inuvik Gas Situation

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to use my statement today to talk about my community and recent happenings which have raised concerns in Yellowknife about residents’ safety in this community.

Since the spring, Yellowknife has experienced what some consider to be a rash of incidents affecting residents’ well-being. Many were identified as sexual assaults, and they’ve resulted in concern among Yellowknife constituents and, yes, fear; fear of being assaulted or accosted, fear that their homes are no longer safe, fear that we are not safe within our community, in our downtown, on our trails and in our homes. We Yellowknifers are seeing a change in our community that scares us. We are reading and hearing media reports and personal accounts which, valid or not, are scaring us.

On October 3rd my community took a step towards

fighting back, a step towards reclaiming our city, towards an environment where we can all feel safe and secure. On October 3rd we held a town hall

meeting, titled “A Conversation on Community Safety.” My thanks goes to GNWT Justice, who organized the meeting, and to representatives from the RCMP, the City of Yellowknife and Yellowknife Health and Social Services, who attended along with Minister Abernethy .

The meeting was an opportunity to hear Yellowknifers’ concerns and to hear what should be done to make our community safer. I was privileged to be the moderator for the evening, and I have to say how pleased I was, how proud and impressed I was with the comments of my fellow residents. They were thoughtful and full of suggestions to address the issues before us.

So what now? Will there be any action? Can Yellowknifers expect some action and, if so, when? The short answer is yes. Five groups are working together: the City, the RCMP, GNWT Justice, GNWT Health and Social Services and Yellowknife Health and Social Services. Work is underway. There will be a response in due course.

But it was made very clear by many at the town hall meeting that we just cannot wait for someone to do something to fix things. We as individuals must also be responsible and take action. We must use our

public spaces, use them in a safe and calculated manner, but use them, and use them all the time. I agree with them. A populated space is a safe space, in my view.

I love my community, that’s why I’m still here some 40 years after I first got here. I want newcomers, old-timers and everybody in between to enjoy Yellowknife as I do. It’s a great place to live, even with all the recent assaults. I say get out and enjoy our city. Don’t let the few dictate how we live. Thank you.

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Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Premier’s Response To Giant Mine Remediation Proposal

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the summer the Premier told me that he’d like to be the first repeat Premier and he was thinking about running again, he told me.

---Applause

Well, you know what? After listening to the way he spoke to me yesterday, he’s certainly not going to get my support unless he pulls up his socks.

When I listened to the Premier ’s responses, and I can tell you I received a number of e-mails and comments from individuals in our community; they were quite disappointed. It seems very frustrating when the Premier ’s response to the Members, who have legitimate, reasonable questions about trying to solve a problem, trying to do something about a giant problem and the Premier responds by “we don’t respond to single MLAs,” it sort of begs the question: What’s the point of being here asking the government questions if they just sit there, laugh and think ideas from this side of the House are useless?

That’s part of the problem. The Premier has never been on this side of the House. He’s had a cushy slide into Cabinet, an easy slide into the Premier ’s seat, and he doesn’t know how hard we have to work to get ideas recognized and respected from this side of the House.

I’ll tell you, it really makes me frustrated. It makes the public frustrated. Because when we put legitimate questions on the floor, legitimate ideas that should at least see the light of day, it might not be the right idea, it might not be the best idea, but they’re good ideas and they deserve some respect. Yet he belittles it and plays coy and pretends he doesn’t know what I’m talking about. Well, if he’s happy, I’ll be happy to walk over a copy of my press release. I’d be more than pleased to walk over a copy of my Member’s statement, and if it happens to come to it, I’ll even read and walk him through it.

The only issue I’m trying to bring here today, and yesterday is about the dreams and possibilities of what we can do. We can do anything if we put our

minds to it. But we have this guy over there. Let me remind the House of the Premier ’s very own words in this House: “The government appreciates constructive advice from Regular Members on all matters,” but that was a little while ago. Maybe they’re just too comfortable over there and start to think that Members, when we’re raising legitimate ideas, they slough us off and don’t care.

Well, he may be a friend of the arsenic, maybe he’s a friend of status quo, maybe he’s a friend of I don’t know what, but I can tell you right now I have not given up on this idea and this idea needs to be taken to the feds and taken seriously.

Nobody in Yellowknife wants arsenic left here. We want it dealt with, Mr. Speaker, and that’s the point I’m making today. Thank you very much.

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Premier’s Response To Giant Mine Remediation Proposal

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . I’m going to remind Members again with regard to the way you’re treating one another in your Members’ statements and replies. I said it yesterday, let’s be fair and work together to get the job done for the people of the Northwest Territories. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Specialized Care

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. October 14th to the 20th is Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder

Awareness Week. Canadians are being informed about Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder.

About 10 percent of the population suffers from ADHD and many people never get help. Untreated, ADHD often results in failures at school or the workplace. With treatment, people can lead healthy, productive lives.

ADHD is just one of many disorders requiring specialized care. In this area the government is not doing enough. For example, long-term mental health patients, people like Allisdair Leishman, receive minimal care, while priority is given to mental health outpatients.

Little is being done to prevent or response to the devastating effects of Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder. We are still awaiting a wellness court to assist offenders with cognitive challenges such as FASD.

Another case in point is Autism Spectrum Disorder, which is rising at an alarming rate. Alberta and other jurisdictions spend upwards of $40,000 per year on every autistic child, but we have no funding earmarked for autism therapy. This is shameful, Mr. Speaker.

The Inclusive Schooling Program is one of the few main avenues for providing specialized care. Recent budget cuts tell us the government’s priorities lie elsewhere.

A growing body of evidence demonstrates that up-front investment in specialized care results in fewer resources needed down the road for health care, education, social services, courts and corrections.

ADHD Awareness Week is a time to contemplate the range of specialized care needs. For financial and moral reasons, more should be done in the area of prevention, individualized interventions, rehabilitation, school integration and in-home services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Specialized Care

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Northern Farm Training Institute

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to advise the House that the newly created Northern Farm Training Institute, short form NFTI, in Hay River celebrated a successful year on September 22nd with its first ever graduating class,

and I had the pleasure of attending that graduation at the Hay River Golf Course and partaking in a delectable array of locally grown and prepared food.

This innovative program was developed in response to numerous requests received from across the Northwest Territories to the Territorial Farmers’ Association that conducts sustainable gardening workshops and seminars.

Through the Northern Farm Training Institute, workshops were offered during the 2013 growing season to gardening enthusiasts and those interested in small-scale agriculture and animal husbandry businesses.

Each workshop included classroom teachings, hands-on work, all the tools needed, and great resources to give students the confidence and skills to grow their own food and to be mentors and teachers to others in their home communities who wish to do the same.

Workshops covered interesting topics such as designing and planting sustainable gardens, applying permaculture methods in cold climates, garden maintenance, food preparation and cold-climate animal care.

In total, NFTI hosted six workshops from April through September for 15 students each session from 13 different communities in the Northwest Territories. I want to congratulate the following students who received their NFTI certificate for completing all seven workshops: Jeffrey Fabian from the Hay River Reserve, Sharon Pekok from Hay River, Whitney Jason from Yellowknife, and Shelly Empey from Fort Simpson.

This program was made possible through the funding received under the Growing Forward II

Program, a five-year agreement between Ottawa and the GNWT to provide $1.2 million per year to support northern agriculture.

In addition to providing expertise and hands-on experience, this funding was also used to offset the travel costs for out-of-town students so the travel would not be a barrier to their participation.

I would also like to thank the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Minister Ramsay , for his support in securing this funding. I also want to thank everyone who had a hand in making this inaugural year of this initiative a resounding success, including the folks at the Territorial Farmers’ Association, the instructors, and the many partners, farms and community-based organizations who enriched the learning experience of the students by allowing them to observe and participate in real life and cultural operations.

Mr. Speaker, I’d just like to seek unanimous consent to quickly conclude my statement. Thank you.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Northern Farm Training Institute

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

In offering thanks, I cannot fail to mention Kim Rapati, Mayor Andrew Cassidy, and also, if any of you met her, the most enthusiastic person for northern agriculture that you could ever come across. If you don’t believe in northern agriculture, when you meet Jackie Milne you would be a believer by the time you finished the conversation. She’s a wonderful, wonderful boost to this program.

I applaud the Northern Farm Training Institute, which has lots of exciting ideas to expand in the future as it continues to grow and support the development of sustainable food systems across the Northwest Territories.

They’ve had an overwhelming successful year and are looking forward to another exciting year in 2014. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Northern Farm Training Institute

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Passing Of Chris Bergman

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very rare nowadays to meet someone who leaves an imprint in your life that made them unforgettable, a mark larger than life, an imprint that made you yearn to be a better person.

Mr. Speaker, our community lost one of our beloved, long-time sport volunteers and humanitarians recently to cancer. He was a very special man, a man who touched my life and many others in ways that I was never able to share until today. I know he’s looking down on us; so, Mr.

Chris Bergman, I want to thank you and let you know you will be missed.

Long before I knew Chris Bergman, he was a standout football athlete with Idaho State, who followed in his father’s footsteps and pursued a career in law enforcement. Early on in his RCMP career, Chris’s journey took him north to Inuvik and many other communities in the Mackenzie Delta. It was in Inuvik where Chris met his wife, Dot, who was a nurse, and they embarked on a northern life together to places like Pond Inlet, Fort Smith, Regina, Red Deer, Ottawa and eventually Yellowknife, which they called home for 25 years.

Chris Bergman retired from the RCMP as a staff sergeant after 28 incredible years and served as director of Sport North. Finally, after a brief stint in Airdrie, Alberta, Chris and Dot returned to Range Lake where he worked for Diavik Diamond Mine for the last 10 years.

This larger than life, humble man was a tireless community member and humanitarian. He actively supported many organizations, including the Yellowknife Seniors’ Society, Yellowknife Food Rescue and Special Olympics. However, those of us who knew Chris Bergman, knew very well that minor hockey was his true inspiration and his ultimate legacy.

Through all these noteworthy contributions, Chris’s proudest achievements were his children – Jennifer, Peter and Kimberly – and later, his son-in-law Steve and daughter-in-law Tasha, along with his grandchildren, Abigail, Noah, Ava, Nate, Journey and Lane, could all be seen at events where you knew “Old Man Bergman” was in the house as his huge, notable, proud voice could be heard over the noisiest of venues.

Chris’s life and legacy left such a great impression on so many of us that it makes it easy to share a little bit of his humble way moving forward. At least, I long to try to live my life just like Mr. Bergman, whether it’s expected of me and many of us.

An emptiness will be felt in the lives of many Northerners, a space only as large as the man who filled it, but the memories are larger, the impact even greater. He was loved and he will be missed. But as the tears of grief, tears of joy fall, joy at the fact that Mr. Chris Bergman walks on streets of gold today, singing the hymn of Hockey Night in Canada, with a smile. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues.

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Passing Of Chris Bergman

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognitions of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Bromley .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize some Pages in the House today. Niva

Stephenson, who actually is just outside, I believe, but we have in the gallery today her mother, Karen Johnston, and her grandmother, Sue Johnston. A great welcome to them.

I also have a couple of others. I see Grace Clark here and her twin sister, Sophie, has been running around here, both of whom are fiddlers, by the way, of some renown. I would also like to recognize Anne Thomas, who is also a great fiddler, although not a Weledeh resident. Many thanks for the services of the Pages today.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

Oral Questions

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions will be for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Since February 2013, what action has been taken to secure a year-round licenced practical nurse in Tsiigehtchic? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have been working with the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority, and the CEO from the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services has been looking at options. Actually, we have looked at the licenced practical nurse options and the possibility of training a paramedic to remain in Tsiigehtchic. There are some systematic problems with just putting a nurse in there; although one nurse could accommodate that population, according to the delivery model we are using. However, it’s difficult to find a nurse and place a nurse in Tsiigehtchic when we don’t have other supports in the community such as RCMP. So that is what our issue is.

We’ve also looked at the possibility of bringing in a nurse from Fort McPherson that can actually spend some nights in Tsiigehtchic, but there would be some arrangement with the community for security in case there was a nighttime callout. Thank you.

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

That answered part of my second question, but I will ask the Minister, will the Minister… I actually find it very funny that we put a wellness worker, one wellness worker into the community but we won’t put a licenced practical nurse. So I’d like to ask the Minister what is the Department of Health and Social Services and the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority doing to remedy this situation.

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

In Tsiigehtchic and other communities where nurses do not stay, do not overnight, I know that during freeze-up and breakup in Tsiigehtchic we do place a registered nurse in the community on a full-time basis at that point. But to have somebody stay overnight in all these communities, we have not been able to do that just because of the situation.

The model is actually asking for a minimum of two nurses, if we are going to place nurses into a community, and also that there be RCMP officers in the community when we place nurses in the community. Therefore, that model kicks in at a certain population, and when communities have populations below that, we have to try to find alternatives to try to provide nurses in the community and that’s what we’ve looked at.

We have looked at various options but we haven’t come up with something that would work at this time. Thank you.

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

As I mentioned earlier, the community set aside housing for a nurse. Will the Minister work with the community leaders to find a way to put a nurse in that house?

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes, we have, again, a plan to go into the community. I will go into the community myself with Health and Social Services staff, with the CEO, with the public administrator from the Beaufort-Delta, to try to resolve this issue. We are not trying to hide from the issue, it’s just we are having difficulty coming up with a solution that would work for everyone concerned. Thank you.

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems policy is the problem here. Will the Minister and the department work to change the policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

We will work on the policy. As I indicated, Tsiigehtchic is one of at least six communities across the North that don’t have nursing units, therefore don’t have nurses living in the community. We are trying to work on the model that will allow that to happen. Thank you.

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Question 329-17(4): Full-Time Nurse In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 330-17(4): Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to follow up on my questions on the Lafferty ferry operations to the Minister of Transportation . Given that there is an increased demand for opening up the ferry sooner, like a 6 a.m. start, how can the Minister facilitate this by working with the

community and work towards an earlier ferry start? Thank you.

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Question 330-17(4): Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 330-17(4): Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We would be more than happy to look into the request that the Member brings to the House today. We haven’t had that request presented to us in a formal way, at least in the last five years, so we would like to look at this a little bit further and see what it would cost and how it would work. We would be more than happy to sit down with the community leaders there, and the MLA, to discuss options that we could have. Thank you.

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Question 330-17(4): Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I’m glad that the Minister is open to discussing that with the community. Without pressing the matter further, I certainly would like to invite the Minister. Probably before Christmas we could arrange a meeting like that, if the Minister could commit to coming to Fort Simpson. Thank you.

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Question 330-17(4): Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, any time that can improve our service, that is something that we would like to consider. Certainly, I would like to take the Member up on his offer, if our schedules permit, to get down to Fort Simpson to have this meeting sometime before Christmas. Thank you.

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Question 330-17(4): Fort Simpson Ferry Hours Of Operation

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I spoke on the willingness of the people of the Sahtu who want to work. I spoke specifically to the high percentage of single parents of children. I want to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment what type of infrastructure is going to be considered in the Sahtu to help single parents who want to work and want to contribute to their families.

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. There are tons of opportunities that are happening in the Sahtu region. We are closely monitoring that and working closely with the regional training committee that is established, consisting of Aboriginal governments and other stakeholders, in partnership with industry as well. We need to identify what the needs of the community are, and based on that, we need to develop plans to move forward. We will be working closely with the MLA and also the community organizations to move that forward. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to those plans being developed. However, I want to ask the Minister, we know for sure that there are high percentages of single parents in the small communities and we know that the unemployment rate is fairly high. I want to ask the Minister in regards to putting in infrastructure such as daycare centres that will allow single parents to have a place where their children can be watched over as they seek employment. What are the plans for those in the Sahtu to have that type of infrastructure in the communities?

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Mr. Speaker, the daycare establishment and other facilities will be required down the road because there will be a boom in the Sahtu region with all the employment opportunities, training and business opportunities. Those factors will be taken into account when we talk about the overall training plan and what it will entail. It would have a rippling effect in the community.

At the same time, when we talk about the daycares and the workers, obviously they will be busy at their work and the kids will need to be looked after. Similar to what we did in Inuvik with the Children First Society, those are areas where we need to look at options. When we talk about partnerships, those are the areas that we continue to stress and we continue to work. Obviously, with the Sahtu region, we can make that an area that we can focus on.

What is happening now is we need to develop a plan of action consisting of the community needs. Based on that, we will have areas of interest that the Member has alluded to. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the action now is happening in the Sahtu. People want to work. Single parents want to provide. They want to invest into their children and into their education, and they want to make a contribution to their families.

If the Minister can speed up the planning process, people right now want to work in communities such as Colville Lake, Deline, Tulita, Fort Good Hope and Norman Wells, looking at infrastructure that will put people to work. Right now there is not much support for them.

Can the Minister look at, within this time frame, within a couple of years of this government, to put in infrastructure to support the single parents such as putting in daycare centres immediately rather than down the road?

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Mr. Speaker, I totally agree with the Member that we must encourage the individuals to be employed, either to be trained or part of business contracts. Based on that, what the Member is referring to is having a plan in place where it would be capturing the

daycare establishment. Again, those are areas that we need to push forward.

With our government here, we have been talking about the Sahtu region and other regions that are actively exploring opportunities. The Sahtu region is one of the prime examples, along with the Deh Cho and Gwich’in areas. We will expedite this process. We are hoping that we can see some products in the next upcoming capital planning process. Those are just some of the areas that we can push forward. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister commit to coming to the Sahtu to see for himself the needs to have these kinds of infrastructures in place such as what I’m talking about, the daycare centres?

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Question 331-17(4): Sahtu Region Employment And Training Readiness

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Mr. Speaker, by all means, we need to visit the communities, especially in the Sahtu region. I believe we are working with the Member’s office to find a date that is suitable for all of us. We need to have our staff go in there. I would like to meet with the committee, as well, the regional training committee, what they’ve been working on, the training plans and so forth. I am looking forward to the trip. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 332-17(4): Territorial Midwifery Services And Child And Family Services Centres

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services , focused on early childhood development, questions of midwifery, and child and family services centres. In March of this year the Assembly provided a specific, clear direction and allocated an additional $330,000 to Health and Social Services to ensure that a midwifery program would be established in Hay River this year. That was six months ago.

Can the Minister confirm that the Midwifery Program in Hay River is now operational or will be within the next few months? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not able to confirm that. I don’t believe that the Midwifery Program will be operational within the next few months In Hay River. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I’m disappointed to hear that, obviously. The House provided clear direction here as a result of several years of previous discussions. When we directed the

Midwifery Program be accelerated for Hay River, we envisioned and stipulated that this would also accelerate the midwifery programs for the Beaufort-Delta, Behchoko and Yellowknife.

Can the Minister please explain how the department is planning to get the midwifery expansion back on schedule, and confirm that the delays in Hay River will not be allowed to delay implementation in other communities as well? Mahsi.

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Question 332-17(4): Territorial Midwifery Services And Child And Family Services Centres

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, one of the main components to expansion of the Midwifery Program was to have the Midwifery Program that is currently operational in Fort Smith be the main supports to developing a Midwifery Program in Hay River and then expansion to Beaufort-Delta and ultimately into a territorial Midwifery Program.

One of the midwives resigned just at the point when we were launching into our plan to expand the Midwifery Program, so the first action became the replacement of that midwife. That has been done. A new midwife has been hired. A team has been put together.

In addition to that, another issue was that we had a change in the CEO. The CEO for Hay River had moved to another position. Then we are working on that as well. However, we are proceeding forward with a plan and we put a team together. We are working on expanding midwifery into Hay River now that we have the second midwife back in place in Fort Smith.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, that sounds kind of weak to me. Governments have to be able to chew gum and think at the same time and, in fact, in multiple ways, so I wouldn’t expect this sort of thing would allow a delay.

On the area of a related issue – child and family resource centres in Tulita and Ndilo – could the Minister please provide an update on the status of these centres that are long overdue? Mahsi.

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Question 332-17(4): Territorial Midwifery Services And Child And Family Services Centres

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The child and family services centres essentially, I guess, would be the Healthy Family Program that we have been expanding. This Healthy Family Program is expanding across the territory. We do believe that we have programs or satellite programs operating in 21 communities. It is a fair expansion. I think that all of the Sahtu now is involving themselves in the Healthy Family Program, then there will be further expansion into the South Slave.

At this point I think that once we have the two expansions in the South Slave, most of the communities where there is any significant amount of births will have a Healthy Family Program. Thank you.

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Question 332-17(4): Territorial Midwifery Services And Child And Family Services Centres

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m very pleased to hear about the Healthy Family Program. I have been aware of that and I think that is an excellent program.

My question was on the commitment to get in place new child and family resource centres. I know those were attempted in the previous fiscal year and they failed to be established. I assume the Minister is working with the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to get those up and operational. Hopefully they are by now. We have been at this now for a year and a half. I wonder if the Minister, if he’s not aware of not being able to provide an update, if he could commit to providing me that update very soon. Mahsi.

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Question 332-17(4): Territorial Midwifery Services And Child And Family Services Centres

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, I apologize. I recognize that we were dealing with the child and family service resource centres that are now under the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, but the plan to consolidate programs along with our Healthy Family Program is in the works. It is something that we are doing under the work that we are doing under the Early Childhood Development Framework. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 332-17(4): Territorial Midwifery Services And Child And Family Services Centres

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 333-17(4): Inuvik Gas Conversion Impacts

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am just going to follow up to my Member’s statement. I will have questions for the Minister of Housing in regard to how we can mitigate the use of our gas consumption in the Inuvik region. We are throwing money at this problem, which we should be looking at how we can do some prevention, promotion and increase that wealth if we are also keeping the cost low for our residents.

My first question is to the Minister of Housing . How many of our housing units are currently on natural gas or the synthetic gas system? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 333-17(4): Inuvik Gas Conversion Impacts

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. McLeod.

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have 240 public housing units in Inuvik and all 240 of them are all on natural gas or SNG. That would include the boilers and the hot water heaters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, that is a high number of residents that are consuming the synthetic gas at the moment at a very high cost. Any residents that are private or in a market rent area, they are paying a pretty high cost right now, which I think in turn puts a high cost on this government when we talk

about deferred maintenance and other projects where other dollars could go.

Can the Minister confirm that there has been an increase in the costs from when Inuvik went from natural gas to synthetic gas last year over the period of two or three months? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 333-17(4): Inuvik Gas Conversion Impacts

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Mr. Speaker, I do know that for the month of January of 2012 the local housing authority spent approximately $84,000 for natural gas. A year later, January 2013, that cost went up to $181,000 and that is just for the month of January, and you multiply that over 12 months, we spent over $1 million. I think it is $572,000 more than we would normally spend because of the conversion to SNG. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, that is a significant increase that the government is paying to subsidize these housing units. I just want to ask the Minister if there is a way to mitigate that. Would the Minister look at possibly… Well, even before that, the road was shut down recently due to some weather conditions. I know we did put money into the ferry system to prolong the opening of the road. Should the road close down again or the ferry system, something happens to it and we do run out, we don’t have storage for synthetic gas or the natural gas well runs out, what would the cost be to convert all of these houses back to either diesel or to a biomass product? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 333-17(4): Inuvik Gas Conversion Impacts

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Transportation has committed to trying to keep the ferry crossing at Tsiigehtchic opened for as long as possible, where there is no interruption in service, so that would be a huge help.

However, in the event that something does happen, we have to deal with it then. I do know that it will cost the NWT Housing Corporation and this government approximately $5 million to convert all our units back to diesel in the event that we have to. It’s not something that we would like to do. We would like to work with, obviously, the community and the suppliers to keep a continuous flow going so we don’t have to convert back over.

As far as the biomass part of it, we are exploring all options for biomass. I do know that in some of the new projects we have coming on stream, not particularly in Inuvik, but we are putting biomass systems into those units so we will see how they work. If there are opportunities in Inuvik to convert some of our multi-unit type buildings to biomass, obviously we have to look at that, especially with the concern with the supply of gas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 333-17(4): Inuvik Gas Conversion Impacts

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 333-17(4): Inuvik Gas Conversion Impacts

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know there is a lot of work being done on this situation. I think this government should also take a lead role, not only by supplying funding dollars but look at ways we can regulate or mitigate the consumption that some of our housing units are using in the synthetic gas. It would decrease the costs and that can go into deferred maintenance or even housing repairs.

Does the Minister have any kind of campaign in place that might be able to tell the residents in the housing units on their energy consumption so that we can prolong that well until we find a longer solution? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Mr. Speaker, I know, through the LHO, they put out a newsletter every so often. I have been advised that they are going to put a campaign in there as to the consumption of gas. However, that is a hard one to regulate, to tell people that they need to reduce their consumption. I think they all realize, especially those in the private homes. They’re probably all turning their thermostats down a bit to conserve.

As I’ve seen and as the Member is aware, we were dealing with a situation where a senior who owned their own home went from $700 a month to $1,400 a month and they’ve taken every step they could to try and mitigate some of the usage.

So it’s a difficult situation the community of Inuvik is in right now. All the agencies are working together to try to find a solution, and hopefully we can find a solution soon.

But as far as Housing goes, we’ll do what we can to make sure that our tenants are informed, advised and ready. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 333-17(4): Inuvik Gas Conversion Impacts

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Justice . I talked in my Member’s statement about my community, and my community looking for ways to tackle the issues of safety that have come to the fore in the last several months.

Some years ago there was a dedicated group of residents, in conjunction with the RCMP, who began a citizen's watch type program. It was a program called Citizens On Patrol, or COPs. It was a really effective program for a number of years. But as with many programs, when the people who start the program either tire of it or move away, then the program falters, and that’s what happened here; it’s no longer around. It has been mentioned in the last number of weeks, in conversations about safety, that maybe we should start this program

again and that it should be revived and that it could be a benefit to us in Yellowknife.

I’d like to ask the Minister of Justice whether or not he’s aware of this program, has he heard of the Citizens On Patrol program, what his view of that program is, it’s potential for Yellowknife, and if he thinks it will address some of our issues. Thank you.

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I’m aware of the Citizens On Patrol program. It was a very good program. Basically their role was to observe and report. Unfortunately, as the Member has indicated, I think it ceased to exist over time. There were probably fewer volunteers than there needed to be and I think it resulted in the unfortunate burnout of some of the individuals who were involved.

This is an issue and an opportunity that keeps presenting itself. We are very interested as the Department of Justice. We are working with the RCMP to see if there’s any way that we revitalize this group. We do need organizations to come forward who would like to maybe champion this as well. It is something that we hope happens and we are actively encouraging other organizations to consider it as well.

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for his response. I’m really pleased to hear that Justice is behind this.

My next question I was going to ask about is a commitment and I think the Minister has already basically said the department is willing.

I guess I would like to know whether or not the Minister will take the initiative to contact the city, because I think this is something which the city certainly has to be very much involved in.

So will the Minister take the initiative, or the RCMP, will he encourage them to take the initiative to contact the city to see what we can do to get this thing rolling? Thank you.

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

That’s already been done. The RCMP participate on the city’s Police Advisory Committee. We’ve had discussions with the RCMP and they also see this as being a valuable opportunity to have some eyes and ears on the streets of Yellowknife to share information with them. I believe they have already taken this to the police, an advisory committee, and have already had discussions on that.

But it’s going to take more. It’s going to take individuals to come forward as well. As a government, as the Department of Justice, we’re very supportive of this opportunity and we will provide assistance where possible.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks again to the Minister. He leads me right into my next question. I recognize that volunteers are something which are absolutely necessary to this program. It’s not going to happen if we don’t get the volunteers from the community who are willing to be the eyes and ears and to actually go out and do the patrols.

I’d like to know from the Minister what kind of supports the city or a Citizens On Patrol group, whether it’s attached to the city or not, what kind of support can this group expect from the Department of Justice. I’m talking about PYs – person years – money, actual dollars, and/or equipment. Thank you.

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

It’s difficult to quantify at this time. We know that the RCMP want to be supportive of this initiative and they will work with any community group that comes up. Through that, assets or requirements for PYs may be identified. We’re happy to have that discussion with any groups that come forward. We’re happy to work in that way.

Just for historic reference, in 2004-2005 as well as 2005-2006 when this organization did exist and was supported in Yellowknife, we did provide some support to help them cover their van leases and some other things. These are things that we would be interested in looking at again, but we don’t know what those costs are right now, so it would be very difficult for me to commit to a dollar figure.

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. I appreciate that you can’t commit dollars, but it’s gratifying to hear that we are on the same page and that you’re willing to support this group if we can get it going.

One of the things that I mentioned in my statement is that there will be results from the community meeting that was held. I’d like to know from the Minister if he can give us any kind of an indication of when the working group might be reporting.

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, we got a lot of good information at that meeting and we’re obviously looking for more on a regular basis. To that end, we have posted the minutes from the meeting on our website, and we’re also seeking additional input. We’re seeking ideas from the community on how to deal with some of these public safety issues.

There are a number of things that have already started. Issues were raised about communication between RCMP and the municipal enforcement division here in Yellowknife, both from a personal communication but also technical communications issues have been brought forward to our attention on those issues. So we’re working on those. We’re trying to improve communications, improve

relationships. We are looking at COPs and we’re looking at other opportunities.

I will commit to having something to committee and Members later in the fall, towards the end of the calendar year, but we need a little bit of an opportunity to put some of the ideas that are coming forward through a bit of a filter and figure out how we can make them work. So I will commit to getting something for the Member before Christmas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 334-17(4): Safety Concerns Of Yellowknife Residents

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 335-17(4): Closing Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to continue my questions from yesterday with the Minister of Health and Social Services on addictions and, more importantly, the closing of the Nats’ejee K’eh Residential Treatment Centre.

It’s clear that this Assembly and the people at large have a Mental Health and Addictions Action Plan for 2012-2015, which we were told were the guiding principles, or I guess the compass points, if you will. We waited meticulously for many months for the Minister’s Forum on Addictions. That’s on one side of the equation.

All the while, what’s happened on the other side of the equation is the fact that we now lost our only residential treatment facility. We’ve received, in this House, quasi responses with respect to whether or not we now have detox beds. Now we’ve got interim contracts that will expire March 31, 2014, with four southern contractors that are supposed to represent and solve our problems in the interim, and we have no idea what those costs are and the standby costs for those.

All the while we’ll have a Minister and department that have compass headings. They’ve got a compass unit on their dash, but I’m not sure if that thing is plugged in, because it’s definitely giving us some mixed reviews here, as we’ve heard in the last day or so.

My first question is, is that it’s well documented that the Minister of Health met with the board of directors of Nats’ejee K’eh on March 26th of this

year. The Minister requested that this board of Nats’ejee K’eh produce a detailed business plan to consider the range of programs and services, its staffing and its staffing needs, and incorporating more of an Aboriginal culture component. Did the Minister receive this business plan? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 335-17(4): Closing Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 335-17(4): Closing Of Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centre

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We received some documentation from the board, and that’s something that we could move forward with. Thank you.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I can assure you that there was a business plan that was produced. We know because committee on this side of the House has received this plan. It’s a very detailed plan, a very good plan, as far as I’m concerned.

The question that we’re hearing is that we’ve got parts of the plan, yet we were given a full plan, so it doesn’t quite make sense.

My question, with respect to this plan, if there was this plan given as a result, as I indicated that we did receive on this side of the House, why was the funding still cut? What was wrong with this plan?

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Regardless of how good the Member thinks the plan was or what we thought of the plan, the bottom line was that one counsellor, one person to do counselling for all the people that were supposed to go there, that only one person was in the position there to help the people who were going there for treatment. The board themselves, through the executive director, had indicated that she thought there was a safety issue here.

To continue on to have intake of people into Nats’ejee K’eh with only one counsellor was a problem, and this created a safety issue not only for the counsellor but for the people coming in for counselling. It was the executive director that approached the board that said, I think it’s time to shut down Nats’ejee K’eh. At that point, we took action and we cut the funding effective September 30th this year. Thank you.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Now we’re getting into some of the details, which is good. We’ve been waiting for this for a while.

My

interpretation of the plan is my

interpretation. I’m assuming anyone on this side of the House who read the plan, as well, would have their own views. We know the department has their own views and I think the public might have their own views. So would the Minister like to enlighten us and maybe table this plan for everyone to see, because, quite frankly, Nats’ejee K’eh is closed, so what harm would that do?

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I guess I can talk to some of the individuals. I do believe that the board is now non-functioning. The properties that they presented to us, I don’t know who has the ownership of it. I don’t know whether or not I would be allowed to table a document such as that. If I can, I would be glad to do it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, it sounds like we’re going to have to do another

ATIPP request, and thank God I’ve been collecting bottles all summer because this seems to be the pattern of activity here for Regular Members.

I guess we’ve heard from the Minister that he’s going to go back and talk to a defunct board that no longer exists, to ask permission to table something that is in the ownership of the department.

Again, will the Minister commit to tabling this for everybody to see what was the action plan of the Nats’ejee K’eh and how unsafe, really, was it?

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I’m not asking anybody to request information to go through an ATIPP request for information. What I said was if I’m allowed to table a report or a business plan that’s been presented to me by a board that’s now defunct, I would be pleased to do it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 336-17(4): Issues Arising From New Health Facility In Hay River

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . I’m happy to report that the new Hay River health facility is well underway. There’s a nice tall structure standing there, and the contractors continue to work, and the weather has been on our side, so it’s been a good fall for construction.

The few outstanding items – well, there are many outstanding items, but there are a couple I want to ask about today as a result of the new health care facility – I’d just like an update on, if we could here in the House, because it’s something of a popular topic of discussion in Hay River, and that is the 10 extended care beds currently located in our existing hospital and how the loss of those beds, when the hospital is relocated, how those beds are going to be replaced. I just wonder if Minister Beaulieu would have any kind of an update on what path we’re taking on that challenge.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this point that plan is being contemplated by the department at the deputy minister level with other deputy ministers responsible for infrastructure in the GNWT. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Of course, we know that the new hospital won’t be commissioned for a little while yet, so we do have some lead time, but I would like to ask the Minister when he contemplates we might have a more clear plan with respect to the replacement of those beds as a

result of these discussions amongst the deputy ministers, some kind of a timeline we can share with our constituents. Thank you.

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Question 336-17(4): Issues Arising From New Health Facility In Hay River

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, those, although they’re called extended beds in H.H. Williams, are actually long-term beds. Those long-term beds will be outside the current new health centre that is being constructed in Hay River. In fact, the direction that we are going now is with the expansion of the Woodland Manor, to add the 10 beds to the Woodland Manor. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, people of Hay River will be very glad to hear that. That does seem like that is a fairly prudent direction to take, a good choice.

Another issue that has been raised in this House before, which I would also like an update on, was a request for a functional review of the existing H.H. Williams Memorial Hospital, to determine whether or not that building would be suitable to be re-profiled for some other use and to be kept as a piece of infrastructure in our community as something other than a health facility. I would like to ask the Minister if he has an update on where that request is in the system. Thank you.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I will ask that the Minister of Public Works and Services provide that response to the Member. We are having discussions with that department. I think there is going to be a bit more time before we are able to do that type of evaluation on the building, as the building is still being used as a hospital at this time. Soon, I think, prior to us moving into the new hospital, that evaluation on future use of that building will be completed. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t know if I can change Ministers mid-questions here. I guess not. Okay. Well then, I will just have to suffice it to say thank you for the update, Mr. Beaulieu .

I am not one who likes to see brick and mortar, institutions, buildings that have some functional use torn down, so I will be continuing to pursue this. If there is any reasonable life left in the existing hospital, I will be pursuing a further set of questions with the Minister of Public Works and Services on that at some point. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 337-17(4): Human Papilloma Virus Vaccination Program

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Worldwide the Human Papillomavirus, or commonly

known as HPV, is a common sexually transmitted disease. I could go on at length, but it’s not necessary today, regarding how many problems Northerners have with sexually transmitted diseases and the fact that it is a real problem here. It is a problem whether you live in a large or small community, so we must do whatever we can.

In short, when was this program for vaccination rolled out? The NWT was one of the last jurisdictions. It would have been the last if we didn’t have Nunavut behind us, to finally implement this back in 2009.

It was only implemented for girls. I am going to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services : Do young men matter when it comes to the HPV vaccination, and when will they get their opportunity to have this much needed vaccination to help protect their health? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 337-17(4): Human Papilloma Virus Vaccination Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To answer the first question, all people matter, as far as health and social services go. I don’t know when and if young men are going to get a needle for this virus. I don’t have the information here, so I couldn’t give him a date, or if, in fact, it is going to happen at all. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I am elated to hear the fact that all people matter, according to the Minister, but I would like to hear when young men will matter in this particular case.

What can the Minister commit to today on clarifying this huge error for a huge percentage of our population? Young boys matter, as far as I’m concerned. Young men matter, and everyone. These kids matter.

What is the Health Minister willing to do today to show that they matter to the families out there thinking that this is a much needed vaccination? Thank you.

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, I’m prepared to have the department check with the physicians that make a decision on which individual groups should be getting a certain type of shot for certain types of viruses. If young men or young boys are not getting the shot for the virus due to an oversight on the part of the department, then we will give them shots too. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 337-17(4): Human Papilloma Virus Vaccination Program

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In his inquiry, if he finds out it is a clerical issue or it’s a money issue, will he issue a directive from his office to ensure that this process starts right away? I am being contacted by families who are concerned that their young boys, their children are being left out of

this process. Again, a much needed vaccination that is accepted across Canada, why not in the Northwest Territories?

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, yes. If it was a money decision and it was thought that we should only give young ladies or young girls the antidote or virus needle, as opposed to ignoring the boys, or if it was a clerical error and then we forgot the other gender, then we will correct that. Thank you.

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