Payroll Tax Act, Wildlife, Health and Social Services — 26 May 2004 (15th Assembly, 3rd Session, pp. 531–556)
2004-05-26, 15th Assembly 3rd Session, pp. 531–556
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of May 26th, 2004
This is page numbers 531 - 556 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was community .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Sessional Statement
Condition Of Northern Schools
Driver's Licence As Proof Of Identity
Constituents' Concerns About Community Freezers
Access To Public Housing
Proposed Mackenzie River Bridge Project
Addressing Alcohol Abuse In Yellowknife
Recognition Of Graduating Students
Special Events In Hay River
Lack Of Affordable Housing For Seniors
Economic Development Benefits For Tu Nedhe
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
National Standards For Drivers' Licences
Update On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Deteriorating Conditions In NWT Schools
Seniors' Housing Needs
Reduction In Rcmp Complement In Fort Simpson
Public Housing Decisions In Communities
Liquor Act Review
Community Freezers In Paulatuk And Holman
Deh Cho Bridge Project Concerns
Reclassification Of Mental Health Workers
Status Of Written Questions
Deh Cho Bridge Design
Tuberculosis In Colville Lake
Item 8: Returns To Written Questions
Return To Written Question 2-15(3): Search For Missing Willow Lake River Resident
Return To Written Question 6-15(3): Private Power Generation And Sales
Return To Written Question 7-15(3): WCB Revenues And Expenses For 2002-03 And 2003-04
Return To Written Question 8-15(3): Sex Offender Registry
Return To Written Question 10-15(3): Bill Of Intent To Achieve Provincehood
Return To Written Question 11-15(3): Statistical Data For Sahtu Schools
Return To Written Question 13-15(3): Bad Debt Collection For Corporations, Boards And Agencies
Return To Written Question 15-15(3): Implementation Of The Sahtu And Dene Metis Aboriginal Land Claims
Return To Written Question 16-15(3): Reclamation Standards For Con Mine Leases
Return To Written Question 18-15(3): Power Rates
Return To Written Question 19-15(3): Harvesters' Assistance Program And The Income Support Program
Return To Written Question 17-15(3): Rent Assessment For Seniors In Public Housing
Bill 5: Tlicho Community Government Act
Bill 6:
An Act To Amend The Payroll Tax Act, 1993 And The Income Tax Act
Tabled Document 34-15(3): Vision And Goals Of The 15th Legislative Assembly
Tabled Document 35-15(3): Self-reliant People, Communities And Northwest Territories - A Shared Responsibility: Government Of The Northwest Territories Strategic Plan
Tabled Document 36-15(3): Snap Lake Diamond Project Socioeconomic Agreement
Tabled Document 37-15(3):
Summary Report Of The Circle Of Northern Leaders, April 2004
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Honourable Henry Zoe
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 531
The Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Bell . I would like to welcome the Members back to the House. I hope you had a nice spring break and visit with your constituents. I would like to welcome Ethel Blondin-Andrew.
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Mr. Terry Foster.
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Before we get going, I would like to read a statement. I would like to advise the House that I have received the following message from the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories: "Dear Mr. Speaker, I wish to recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories passage of Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2004-05, during the Third Session of the 15th Legislative Assembly. Glenna F. Hansen, Commissioner." Thank you.
Item 2, Ministers' statements. Premier Handley.
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Minister's Statement 28-15(3): Sessional Statement
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 531
Joe Handley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are now six months into the term of the 15th Legislative Assembly and much has been accomplished. In January, I told this House that I looked to the future of the Northwest Territories with enthusiasm. Since then, I have travelled to many communities and talked with many leaders and residents of the Northwest Territories. My optimism for the future has increased even more.
Today, I want to discuss how we have approached our work in the first six months of our mandate. I would also like to provide an overview of the strategic plan of the Government of the Northwest Territories, which I intend to table later today, and provide an update on a number of the specific actions that we are taking in response to what we have heard to date from Members and northern leaders.
A New Way Of Doing Business
Mr. Speaker, some have argued the first step in the life of this government should have been to develop an agenda for the next four years. I disagree.
When the 15th Legislative Assembly took office in December, Members signalled that we were looking for new ways of doing business. We agreed to work together to make consensus government stronger, to ensure transparency and openness and be more responsive to the people of the Northwest Territories. We agreed to work in partnership with other governments to build an agenda that has a broad base of support throughout the territory.
In six short, busy months, significant progress has been made towards these objectives.
Strengthening Consensus Government
Mr. Speaker, we are deeply committed to running government in a more open, transparent and cooperative manner. I believe the Members of this House share the desire to demonstrate to the rest of Canada consensus government at its best in spirit and in its actions.
Does this mean we will always agree? Of course not, nor should we. To be successful, consensus government needs a vigorous and full debate on the issues, one that ensures all viewpoints are on the table. We have already seen some differences of opinion in this legislature, on issues of policy and direction. We should, and will, see many more over the life of this assembly.
Members have met often during the past six months to discuss how to move forward. These discussions have been very productive and we thank the other Members of Caucus for their input, for their support and for their constructive criticism. We have looked for ways to ensure input from all Members of the 15th Assembly into the decision-making process.
In March, Cabinet and AOC agreed to establish a joint planning committee to oversee pipeline planning for this government, chaired by the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , the Honourable Brendan Bell . I am pleased to note this committee is up and running with the initial meeting of the joint committee held yesterday. This project, perhaps the most important we will deal with during our term of office, is of integral importance to all people in the Northwest Territories and requires input from all regions.
We are also looking for other ways to bring Regular Members into the decision-making process. The Minister of Health and Social Services , the Honourable Michael Miltenberger , has been tasked with the long overdue job of reviewing boards and agencies.
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Over the coming days, we will be discussing with the Chair and Members of AOC ways to ensure Regular Members are involved. This review will look at the role and mandate of the many boards and agencies we have in the NWT and make recommendations on how to make them more effective.
Mr. Speaker, these are small but important steps. Will we always get it right? No. Will we always agree? Of course not. What we must do is ensure a full debate of the issues and see that all viewpoints are taken into account during the decision-making process.
Open And Transparent Government
Mr. Speaker, one of the guiding principles all Members of Cabinet and I believe all Members of Caucus felt strongly about when we took office was the need to ensure our decisions are made based on the pubic interest and in a forthright and open manner.
The people of the Northwest Territories, through this Legislative Assembly, have placed their trust in us to lead the government through the next four years. As a Cabinet, we strongly believe it is critical we act with honesty, integrity and impartiality and we uphold the highest ethical standards in carrying out the responsibilities entrusted to us.
We have made an important commitment to be inclusive, transparent and accountable in our decision-making. To ensure inclusiveness, we will continue to work hard as a Cabinet to earn the support and respect of our Caucus colleagues, our partner aboriginal and municipal governments and all residents of the Northwest Territories. To ensure transparent and accountable government, our decisions will be made, and be seen to be made, on the merits of the issue and in the public interest.
We have taken steps to ensure this openness, inclusiveness and transparency. One example of this is our commitment to ensure information about travel by Ministers is made public on a regular basis. I will be tabling the first ministerial travel report later this session and this information will also be available on the government Web site.
Building Strong Partnerships
Trust is the foundation upon which good relationships are built, both at home and in the workplace. It takes time to build trust. It has to be earned; with consistent actions, respect for input received, and a demonstrated commitment to live up to promises made.
At the outset of our term, the Members of the 15th Assembly agreed a new approach was needed to develop an agenda for this assembly. Caucus rejected the old method of developing an agenda based solely on the views of the 19 Members of the Legislative Assembly and in isolation of other governments in the Northwest Territories. Members felt it was important we embark on a new way of doing business that emphasized partnership and collaboration.
Partnership requires meaningful dialogue and consultation. Members of this Assembly have spent a great deal of time meeting with leaders, organizations and residents across our territory. These discussions have confirmed there is a great deal of support for the direction taken by Caucus to build an agenda based on the priorities of all people in the Northwest Territories. As a Caucus, we are determined to open up the lines of communication with all northern residents.
We agreed we must start by finding new ways to talk with other northern leaders, discussion that allows for a frank exchange of views and creates a foundation for understanding and working together.
Mr. Speaker, this foundation has begun to be established with the Circle of Northern Leaders meeting, held on the Hay River Reserve from April 6th to 8th. This historic meeting, which brought together over 50 leaders from all regions of the Northwest Territories, was an important first step in redefining how northern governments will communicate with each other. Northern leaders agreed northern governments must work together to establish an overall agenda for the NWT.
At that meeting, the Aboriginal Summit tabled a proposal to establish an intergovernmental assembly that would provide an ongoing forum for such discussions. We strongly support such a forum and will be working with our partner government to make it a reality.
Partnership also means working with other governments in the Northwest Territories on matters of priority to them. In January I spoke about this government's commitment to the negotiation and implementation of aboriginal rights agreements in the Northwest Territories, agreements that will bring further clarity and certainty to governance in our territory.
Mr. Speaker, we are working hard with the Tlicho to finalize the drafting of the Tlicho Community Services Agency Act for introduction in this Legislative Assembly. This legislation represents another important step in the implementation of aboriginal rights in the Northwest Territories. It is the third and final piece of legislation required of this Legislative Assembly to ratify the Tlicho Land Claim and Self-Government Agreement, the first combined land claims and self-government agreement in our history.
Mr. Speaker, this government also recognizes the importance of building a foundation for strong, self-reliant community governments. In collaboration with community governments, we will move to provide the tools for community governments to achieve greater autonomy with the legislative and financial ability to govern effectively, manage their priorities and be accountable to their constituents.
We have been working towards this goal for many years, the goal of providing community governments, in a supportive and collaborative manner, with the full authority and responsibility they have been asking for. The Honourable Henry Zoe , Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , will be outlining our plans in this regard to municipal leaders at the annual general meeting of the Northwest Territories Association of Communities next month in Hay River.
Mr. Speaker, strong political partnerships must be complemented by equally strong economic partnerships with other governments and the private sector. These partnerships are required to build desperately needed infrastructure to further economic projects or to fund critically needed training programs. We have seen many examples of such partnerships unfold over the past few months. The Deh Cho Bridge project and hydro development in the Akaitcho and Sahtu regions are examples of the government and aboriginal groups working together in a productive manner on key projects.
We have worked with other levels of government to match funding on critical infrastructure programming. The Minister of Transportation , the Honourable Michael McLeod , has worked with his federal colleagues to obtain funding from the strategic infrastructure program to fund important infrastructure projects. Last week, Minister McLeod joined with the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew, the Member of Parliament for the Western Arctic, to mark the beginning of work to reconstruct and pave the final 30 kilometres between Yellowknife and Rae.
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Earlier this month, the GNWT joined the federal government, aboriginal governments and industry in announcing a new mine training partnership funded by the GNWT, Canada and industry. Such programs will help train more of our people to take advantage of the opportunities created through the development of northern resources.
Mr. Speaker, by negotiating aboriginal rights agreements, by taking partnership approaches to economic and infrastructure projects and by ensuring a greater role for all governments in the NWT, we are building on our work during the first six months to create strong and lasting partnerships that are, in the long-term, a benefit to all residents of the Northwest Territories.
Government Of The Northwest Territories' Strategic Plan
Mr. Speaker, over the past six months we have listened to leaders and residents of the Northwest Territories about the issues and priorities they believe are important.
We have been guided by input from Members of the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight. I would like to thank the chairman of AOC, Mr. Kevin Menicoche , and all Members of the Legislative Assembly for providing timely and important advice. This has contributed significantly to the development of the Government of the Northwest Territories' strategic plan, which I am pleased to table today.
Strong Fiscal Leadership
Mr. Speaker, this government is fully committed to sound fiscal management. The first budget presented by the Minister of Finance , the Honourable Floyd Roland , signalled our intent to balance both the expenditure and revenue side of our budget. We will continue to move forward in a manner that ensures the long-term fiscal sustainability of this government. This will require us to make difficult choices in the short term in order to protect those programs and services essential to all people and communities in the Northwest Territories.
It also means we must continue to press the federal government on concluding a fair agreement on formula financing negotiations. It means that we must continue to work with our partner aboriginal governments on reaching a devolution and resource revenue sharing agreement that ensures a fair sharing of resource revenues with northern governments.
While we intend to run a tight ship, we will also make strategic investments that make sense in light of the priorities we collectively establish, as a government, as a Caucus and as northern leaders.
Strategic Plan Overview
In December, I said that I saw my role as Premier to "...lead a government with a vision developed and supported by all MLAs, a vision that we need to be prepared to modify as time progresses and as we are advised by our partners." I believe this government and this legislature are on course to realize this objective.
The strategic plan of the Government of the Northwest Territories represents a starting point in our ongoing discussions with the people of the Northwest Territories. We have looked at the opportunities and challenges that define where we are today and have built on the vision and goals of the 15th Legislative Assembly to identify actions that get us where we want to be in the future.
The strategic plan is a 10-year plan. However, this does not mean it is carved in stone. It is important that this strategic plan is seen as a living document. It is a planning tool to help us identify our course of action. These actions will be reviewed and modified over time as we receive guidance from Members of Caucus and northern leaders.
The strategic plan sets our broad direction to the Government of the Northwest Territories by listing priorities and actions supporting the vision and goals of the Legislative Assembly. These priorities and actions represent a snapshot in time, not an exhaustive listing of all areas we will concentrate on over the next four years. They will be changed, modified and added to as we continue to work with our partners. The broad direction established in the strategic plan will provide direction to departments on the development of detailed departmental business plans for review by the Legislative Assembly.
The spirit of the strategic plan is captured in the title "Self-Reliant People, Communities and Northwest Territories -- A Shared Responsibility." It emphasizes that we must each do our part, individually and collectively, to better our own lives and those of the people around us. Working together towards shared objectives, we can all reap the benefits and rewards of a vibrant Northwest Territories.
Some Specific Actions
Mr. Speaker, while the strategic plan is a 10-year plan, we have already begun to take concrete actions based on priority issues identified by Members and northern leaders. I would like to briefly speak about a number of these actions today.
Mackenzie Valley Gas Pipeline Project
As the development of the Mackenzie Valley pipeline approaches, we must be prepared, as a legislature and as a government, for this historic development. I have already spoken about the joint Cabinet/AOC planning committee that will allow for a more collaborative approach to the planning for this project.
The pipeline project and associated gas development will be a complex undertaking using state of the art science and engineering practices. Our response to this project will be timely and relevant. To accomplish this we intend to establish a Mackenzie Valley pipeline office within the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development to coordinate our approach to this project.
Language And Culture
Earlier this year, Members passed a motion confirming their view of the importance of early childhood programming and calling on government to restore funding for programming that ended on March 31st. Members talked about the need to support language and culture in early childhood programs to improve literacy results.
Mr. Speaker, this government agrees that early childhood programming is essential to long-term success. For this reason, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , the Honourable Charles Dent , joined the chairperson of the Standing Committee on Social Programs, Ms. Sandy Lee , on May 4th to announce our intention to seek additional funding authority from this assembly to build on early literacy by restoring the language nest program. This program will help support families and communities in ensuring our youngest residents are able to learn their respective language and culture.
Establishment Of A Family Law Legal Services Clinic
Mr. Speaker, since the beginning of the 15th Legislative Assembly, we have heard from Members about the need to reduce the extended waiting period necessary for people to access legal aid. We agree many wait too long to see a legal aid family law lawyer. To address this issue, the Minister of Justice , the Honourable Charles Dent , has been working hard with the Legal Services Board to address this issue.
I am pleased to announce we will be seeking supplementary funding during the current session to open a separate legal aid clinic dedicated to family law.
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It is proposed that this clinic employ two full-time family law lawyers and will be open in September. We believe this approach will assist in providing timely and effective family law services to those most in need.
Conclusion
In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, the first six months of the mandate of the 15th Legislative Assembly have been a success by any objective measure. We have found new, cooperative ways to do business. We have passed a budget and set a prudent fiscal course for the net four years and beyond.
Today we are publicly releasing our goals and vision for the Northwest Territories. As Premier , I am proud to release the strategic plan of the government, a document that builds upon the work all Members have done in our short time in office. I look forward to discussing the strategic plan with the Members of this legislature and other northern leaders in the coming weeks and months. Through such discussion, we can make sure we stay on course to achieve our long-term vision for a productive and self-reliant Northwest Territories in the years to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 28-15(3): Sessional Statement
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 534
The Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .
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Condition Of Northern Schools
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 534
Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some weeks ago, I was at the Legislative Assembly when I saw my name on the computer. You can imagine my surprise when I saw a picture of the roof of the Samuel Hearne Secondary School classroom under the weight of a heavy snowstorm. I graduated from that school, Mr. Speaker. Is this what things have come to, Mr. Speaker? Will we be known across the country as a territory up north where schools are falling under the watchful eye of the government? I am thankful no one was particularly hurt, Mr. Speaker. It's an unfortunate time for mishap, Mr. Speaker. Many of the Grade 12 students are working hard in preparations for their final graduation.
I was interested to hear the options had come together quickly, so the Grade 12 classes will not be delayed. I have a great deal of sympathy for the students and parents who are working so hard under less than ideal conditions. Mr. Speaker, I have spoken before about the importance of comfortable and safe schools to provide space and a learning environment that creates opportunity for our children...(inaudible). During the last session, in a Member's statement I spoke quite strongly about the school children in Tulita.
I mentioned some problems of Chief Albert Wright School having severe overcrowding, some structural problems and possibly health concerns as a result of poor ventilation. The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment was quick to respond to my concerns, ensuring that these problems are not immediate health risks.
I thank the Minister and his staff for their vigilance. Working together we can ensure that the schools are supported, and are healthy and safe places for learning to take place. We don't want any more stories about the schools falling down across the Northwest Territories. I will have questions for the Minister at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Condition Of Northern Schools
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
David Krutko
Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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Driver's Licence As Proof Of Identity
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the heightened security environment that we all live in today, more and more people are being asked to produce photo identification in the course of their day-to-day routines. Although drivers' licences are primarily intended to show that a person is qualified to operate a motor vehicle, in reality people do rely on them for proof of their identity in a number of situations. Many organizations, including banks and airlines, consider them a standard piece of identification. For many people, their driver's licence is the only kind of standard ID that they have. Mr.
Speaker, I include myself in that group of people. Mr. Speaker, I was, therefore, very concerned to hear from a constituent of mine that while traveling to southern Canada, his driver's licence was rejected as a proof of identity, presumably because it did lack authenticity. Sadly, I know that this was not the only case. Although the idea of a national standard for drivers' licences has
reached the drawing board of discussion, according to the Minister, the NWT drivers' licence needs some immediate considerations. At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Transportation about his plans that will continue to ensure the confidence in the NWT drivers' licence. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Driver's Licence As Proof Of Identity
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
David Krutko
Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .
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Constituents' Concerns About Community Freezers
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Calvin Pokiak
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is with regard to the community freezers in Paulatuk and Holman. At my recent constituency meeting in Paulatuk and Holman on April 29, 2004, the residents of these two communities raised, once again, the importance of community freezers. They indicated that community freezers are a vital component for the safe storage of their annual harvest. Mr. Speaker, the high cost of diesel-generated electricity running these freezers is expensive, there is no doubt about it.
Small communities are struggling to meet the needs of their residents as it is, and they just do not have the cash laying around to cover thousands of dollars in utility costs. My constituents are concerned that if RWED cannot provide the necessary funds for the maintenance and operation of these freezers, their annual spring harvest will spoil and they will be left without traditional food. Traditional food plays a very significant role in their daily diet and offsets the high cost of buying southern foods in local stores.
This government promotes traditional food as a healthier nutrition choice than a lot of what you can buy in the stores.
There is another factor that may come into play, which is one concern of the residents of Paulatuk and Homan, and that is the wastage of wild meat, which, in their culture, is forbidden. Mr. Speaker, I had the opportunity to discuss this issue with the honourable Minister on a couple of occasions.
Today, as I speak, there is still no commitment from his department to address this important concern from the residents of Paulatuk and Holman by providing sufficient funds to maintain their freezers for the 2004-2005 season, and suffice it to say that government is looking for more energy efficient solutions, and in the long term I think that I will see that as the outcome. But, in the meantime, what are the people supposed to do?
Mr. Speaker, the weather is particularly warm and it is a concern for residents of Paulatuk and Holman and they cannot be without a safe storage for their annual spring and summer harvest. If resolution is not found today, my constituents will suffer in particular with regard to their traditional hunt and summer holidays.
Mr. Speaker, I ask for unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Constituents' Concerns About Community Freezers
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The Speaker
David Krutko
The Member is seeking for consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.
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Constituents' Concerns About Community Freezers
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Calvin Pokiak
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the perfect time I will have questions for the honourable Minister of RWED . Thank you.
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The Speaker
David Krutko
Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Access To Public Housing
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, navigating one's way through the government bureaucracy to access programs and services can be a difficult task at the best of times. In many cases this is something that can be overcome with patience and persistence. However, for people who depend on programs and services to meet their basic needs, missing important information about rules and criteria can have devastating consequences. I'd like to speak to a couple of those rules today.
Mr. Speaker, recently I've heard from constituents who have just moved out of public housing. Their income support accommodation allowance was set at $32 a month, which is only enough to rent subsidized public housing units. One constituent, Mr. Speaker, left another community to move to Hay River only to get there to find out that they were not aware of the rule that you had to live in the community for six months prior to applying for another public housing unit. So even though they were a public housing client in another community, once they moved to Hay River they were not aware of the six-month rule.
Another rule that a lot of people are not aware of who live in public housing is that if you owe any back rent to any housing authority, or any damages to any housing authority, or to any other landlord for that matter, you are also ineligible for public housing. I think that there are probably very good and sound reasons for some of these rules; some I would question to some extent. The one on mobility within territory is a difficult one sometimes, because people sometimes move for good and valid reasons: to seek education or employment opportunities, or training.
For example, a single mother may decide to go to Fort Smith or Yellowknife to seek training, go back to their home community for the summer only to find out that the home they gave up in public housing is no longer available to them because they've left the community and they're back on the bottom of the list because of the six-month criteria.
The rule with respect to not owing back rent is also a good rule because people shouldn't be living in public housing and expect them not to have to be current with their rent, especially if it is $32 a month. That having been said, there may be good and solid grounds for some of these rules, but, Mr. Speaker, surely the government has to show some compassion and take some responsibility for making program rules and criteria clear, especially when lack of awareness can result in someone ending up on the street.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.
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Access To Public Housing
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
David Krutko
The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent to conclude.
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Access To Public Housing
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 535
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, we have tenant relation officers and income support workers who should be in a position to warn people about the consequences of
leaving public housing, and also not paying their rent and leaving debts owing to housing authorities. Mr. Speaker, people generally want to avoid being homeless if they can help it. I believe that, and they need to make informed choices, but, Mr. Speaker, they also need to know the rules. Public housing is usually people who are in difficult circumstances, and it needs to be viewed as such. We have an obligation to make those rules very clear and that's why I make this statement today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Proposed Mackenzie River Bridge Project
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 536
David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to use my Member's statement today to speak about the proposed Mackenzie River bridge project. The Mackenzie River is one of the great rivers of the world. The Mackenzie River runs through most of our territory and affects and impacts many of our residents in a variety of different ways. It causes me a great deal of concern that this government is going down the path of building a bridge without all the answers to many questions. I should state for the record that I am a supporter of putting a bridge across the Mackenzie River.
However, we should, at the very least, get a handle on some key concerns. I have not seen a design, it seems to change on the fly. The proponent was recently asked what the impact of rising steel prices would do to the project. His reply was that more concrete would be used. What is the design, and what will be the price?
Mr. Speaker, I also have some concerns regarding the financial arrangement for this project, and how other initiatives brought on by this government, such as the Taltson hydro project, what impact that will have on the possible toll revenue for the bridge project. I have many questions surrounding the cost and viability of this project. The last cost we have seen is in the neighbourhood of $57 million. How sound is this number and, again, what exactly is being proposed?
Mr. Speaker, most people want a bridge. It is exciting. It will be a key piece of public infrastructure for a century or more. I just want to ensure that we have all the answers to the many questions that surround this project. It is also a concern of mine that under the Deh Cho Bridge Act, Cabinet has the authority to sign off on this project without input from Regular Members. If all goes well, the GNWT will get a $60 million to $70 million bridge paid for by toll revenues over 35 years. If all goes south or sour, the GNWT will get an $80 million to $100 million bridge that toll revenues alone will not cover. The shortfall will then have to come from other GNWT revenues.
To me it seems like a very one-sided agreement, and I will have specific questions for the Premier , who is the Minister responsible for the Deh Cho Bridge project, at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Addressing Alcohol Abuse In Yellowknife
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 536
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the past few months the Yellowknifer newspaper has supplied us with a new and I think very valuable feature, and that is with the assistance of the RCMP and their crime statistics, a snapshot of a very, very real side of life in Yellowknife. It has the number of assaults, break-ins, impaired driving, public drunkenness and shop lifting complaints handled by the Yellowknife RCMP detachment. The headlines are disturbing. There were 528 calls for RCMP service in the two-week period between May 3rd and 16th, Mr. Speaker. Thirty percent of these involved alcohol. That is more than 20 a day.
We know that hard drug use is rapidly escalating, and enforcement authorities would say in Yellowknife we have a drug and alcohol epidemic.
This community though, is demonstrating that it knows there are problems, and it is showing that it wants to do something about it. It is getting involved, and it is taking leadership. The Community Wellness Coalition and its Citizens on Patrol -- or COPs -- program, are working to deal with the street issues of alcohol and drug abuse. The Salvation Army, the YWCA and the Native Women's Association are working to come to grips with alcohol and its devastating effects, and they are to be congratulated for their efforts. Now is the time for this government to show that it too can and should be getting involved with alcohol and its abuse.
I was very pleased to hear Premier Handley's commitment in mid-April that this government is finally going to rewrite the Liquor Act. It is 75 pages, Mr. Speaker. It is one of the more complex and regrettably one of our more outdated pieces of legislation. My personal view is that most alcohol abuse problems don't occur in bars and drinking establishments. They happen in homes and at house parties where spousal and family abuse takes a tremendous toll, especially on kids. They happen in motor vehicle and boat accidents, where people are hurt and killed. Alcohol abuse happens at workplaces and jobsites, where it cuts productivity and threatens safety.
Mr. Speaker, previous governments of the NWT I think have been in a state of denial regarding alcohol abuse. Positive strides have been made regarding tobacco reduction. Can't we do the same with alcohol? I think we are on the verge of doing that. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Page 536
The Speaker
David Krutko
The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.
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Bill Braden
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In a newsletter that I recently distributed to my riding, Mr. Speaker, I proposed that this government should consider taking a review to a new step in that we would be probably looking at two acts governing the way we control liquor. Mr. Speaker, one act would provide an effective business framework for the supply, the taxation and the pricing of alcohol.
The other, and the far more significant one, the one we really need, is to legislate an entirely new approach for the prevention, awareness, enforcement, treatment and community empowerment, a social approach to the way we manage alcohol. My constituents have repeatedly told me that frontline social issues, many of which are impacted by alcohol, can and must be dealt
with head on by this government. I look forward to a territory-wide review, which is long overdue, in the way we manage liquor here in the NWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .
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Recognition Of Graduating Students
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 537
Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say what a great pleasure it is to be in the House again for this Third Session of the 15th Legislative Assembly. Spring is with us once again, finally. This time of year there is always a kind of change in the North, time to put away some things and a time to gain new things. Perhaps one of the most important changes we see in our communities at this time of year is graduation. This is the time of year when students take what they have learned in the classroom out into the real world, when they begin in earnest to apply their new skills to improve their lives, and the lives of the people around them and their communities.
In my riding of Nahendeh, it has been a good year for education. We have a number of students graduating from a variety of courses, and I would like to take the time today to recognize them and their achievements. We have 14 students who earned their high school diplomas. The majority of those students are from Fort Simpson. We have one from Nahanni, and as well as one student from Fort Liard. I should point out that for our smaller communities it is a significant achievement to have a student earn their high school diploma, and we are justifiably proud of the achievements these young people have made.
We are also proud of other students who have graduated from high school and have continued their education and gone on to earn their diplomas at the college level, not only in the Nahendeh riding, but outside the NWT, as well. For example, we have one student from Wrigley who graduated as a teacher in Whitehorse; a Fort Simpson graduate of ecotourism in Calgary; and a nursing graduate from Wrigley in Yellowknife.
It has also been a busy year at the Aurora College. Eight people successfully completed the trades access program in Fort Simpson, and eight others completed the office administration program, as well as six students from Fort Liard and two from Nahanni Butte improved their education levels through the adult basic literacy and education program. In Trout Lake we have five women who graduated from the Aurora College introduction to cooking program.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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David Krutko
The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? You have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I certainly would have liked to take the time to read out the names of every one of these students, but the list is too long. They all have done very well and are all deserving of individual recognition. That being said, that is a good thing, Mr. Speaker. Still I have no doubt that in the future we will see even more people from the Nahendeh riding improving their lives and their communities through education. I am confident that when I stand in the House next spring to recognize our graduates, the number of students having successfully completed their studies will be even greater.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for allowing me to take this time to recognize and congratulate the graduates of the Nahendeh riding. We are very proud of them all. Mahsi cho.
---Applause
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Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .
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Special Events In Hay River
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 537
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to be back with yourself and all of my colleagues in this wonderful House as we commence another session of this, the 15th Legislative Assembly. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to focus on a couple of events that will be occurring in Hay River in the very near future.
Mr. Speaker, this weekend I will be returning home to Hay River to volunteer at the 20th Annual Knights of Columbus Lobster Fest. This event has long proven to be a premier social event of the year in Hay River. This is a major fundraiser for the Hay River Knights of Columbus organization, of which I have had the pleasure to serve for the past 22 years. This event is an excellent example of what can be accomplished through volunteering. Mr. Speaker, this event brings together some 16 or so businesses, some 60 to 70 individual volunteers, many of whom don't belong to the Knights of Columbus, as well as the 600 plus individuals who come out and support this event.
Mr. Speaker, I am very proud of this event, as I had a major role to play in getting it all started 20 years ago, and I have worked and volunteered at this event every year since. Mr. Speaker, I am proud to report that this event has raised over $300,000, all of which has gone back into the community, and mostly to youth organizations.
Mr. Speaker, on June 26th the graduation ceremonies for Diamond Jenness Secondary School will take place in Hay River. This is the largest graduating class to date. Some 45 students will graduate. My sincere congratulations go out to all of the graduates, and I look forward to attending their ceremonies. Mr. Speaker, in closing, I know that many of the graduates will be celebrating their accomplishments, and so they should. However, Mr. Speaker, I would like to encourage all the students to do so in a responsible manner that will not put their lives or the lives of the fellow graduates at risk. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .
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Lack Of Affordable Housing For Seniors
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 537
Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as a legislator, I believe in the principle that the performance of a government is measured by how well we take care of the most vulnerable in our society. One of the most vulnerable I believe are our seniors, Mr. Speaker, and I
am glad to see two distinguished seniors, Ed Jeske and Esther Braden, in the gallery.
Mr. Speaker, I must tell you that our seniors need the help of this government to deal with the housing crisis. In Yellowknife in particular, Mr. Speaker, our housing market is on a runaway train. The lack of supply to meet overwhelming demands has the prices skyrocketing with no end in sight. We are seeing a situation where people are buying houses at higher prices than the listed price. This is making it hard even for the young with steady incomes and jobs, but it is really making it impossible for our senior citizens on fixed incomes. Even those seniors, Mr.
Speaker, who have houses paid for and have no mortgages are having a hard time covering the high cost of fuel, power, water and taxes, which all have been rising. Those without adequate income or affordable housing are really in dire straits. They are lining up for limited spaces in low-cost units, but these line-ups are very long, and they are not moving very fast or getting any shorter. I believe a group of seniors that are really suffering are those with a small income, but incomes too high to qualify for income support or social housing, but not enough to buy or maintain their own housing.
They are completely being left on the sideline and ignored.
Mr. Speaker, it is high time that this government act on the principle of elevating the quality of life for the most vulnerable, and to also act on the knowledge that the seniors are the fastest growing population in the Northwest Territories. We have to have a plan in place to figure out how to address the unique needs of seniors. We need to have independent housing units that are affordable that meet the physical and financial needs of our growing population of seniors.
Mr. Speaker, I believe it is a very good thing that many of our senior citizens are choosing to retire in the North. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?
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David Krutko
The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Ms. Lee , you have unanimous consent.
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I believe it is a very good thing that more and more senior citizens, especially in Yellowknife, are choosing to retire in the North. I believe that they add to the wholeness of our society, and make us more complete. Next week following the session is Senior Citizens' Week, and I am going to put the Minister responsible for Seniors , Minister Miltenberger , on notice, and Cabinet, that I am going to make the senior issues -- and there are many of them -- a sort of a theme topic for me to pursue during this short session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Economic Development Benefits For Tu Nedhe
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 538
Robert Villeneuve
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First I just want to say hello to all the Members of this Assembly, to the people in the gallery and to all my constituents. It is a pleasure to return to Yellowknife to this Third Session of the 15th Legislative Assembly, and it is a welcoming sight to see all the Members returning to the session in good health. I sincerely hope that this remains the same in the future.
Mr. Speaker, since the last session in March 2004, many new developments have taken place, not only in the Tu Nedhe region, but also in the NWT and in Canada. With many new developments in the Tu Nedhe region, such as the signing of the Snap Lake project, socioeconomic and environmental agreements, the municipal co-management signing agreement, and also ongoing discussions on future hydro developments along with some improvements in forestry, housing and social sectors of my constituency.
I would like to state that I look forward to working more diligently with all the Members of this 15th Assembly to move forward and realize some of the goals that will be laid out in the government's strategic plan, and making some of these new developments beneficial to all the residents of Tu Nedhe.
Mr. Speaker, although the future does seem brighter from a government standpoint, I cannot stress the need for this government to continue its commitment to resolve many outstanding issues of my constituents in areas of income support, student financial assistance, seniors health issues, and a review of the rent scale and WCB, just to name a few.
Mr. Speaker, I feel that this government is going to realize that any progress towards achieving a small degree of the 15th Legislative Assembly's vision of self-reliant individuals and families, and healthy communities we have to start from the grassroots and work our way up, because if we want to retain and improve the public's confidence in our government like what the Calgary Flames are doing, grassroots is where we need to start. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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David Krutko
Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Premier . Handley.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 538
Joe Handley
Weledeh
Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize a number of people. First of all my wife, Theresa, who is here; Barb Saunders, the executive director for the Council of Status of Women, my faithful constituent; the major for the Salvation Army, Karen Hoeft; and also, I don't know if he's left, but Chief Peter Liske was here as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Page 538
The Speaker
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Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Menicoche .
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I brought with me my summer student, constituency assistant from Fort Simpson, Ms. Tiffany Pedersen. I would just like to recognize her today. Mahsi cho.
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Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Bell .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize Dennis Marchiori, who is the Human Rights Act implementation coordinator, and also I am hoping my colleagues will join me in giving a warm welcome to Therese Boullard, who is the new director of Human Rights for the Northwest Territories. They have a lot of work to do. We know that we're opening an office very soon and we wish them all the best. Thank you.
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The Speaker
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Welcome to the Legislative Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Braden .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 539
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Mr. Speaker, my colleague, Ms. Lee , has already recognized persons in the gallery, some seniors here, and I would too. My mother, Esther, and her good friend and neighbour, Ed Jeske, and Ms. Barb Hood, the executive director of the NWT Seniors' Society. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
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Welcome to the Legislative Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Villeneuve .
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Robert Villeneuve
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure if he's still here, but I would to recognize the chief of the Lutselk'e Dene Band, Chief Archie Catholique. He was here earlier, I don't know if he's behind me or what, but if he is, welcome.
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Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Hawkins .
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Question 130-15(3): National Standards For Drivers' Licences
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 539
Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, referring back to my Member's statement, the NWT driver's licence, as I see it, is an important piece of identification that in these days of increased security is being more and more criticized for authenticity. Therefore, it demands quality, safety and security around our country with those needs in mind. That is why national standards need to be developed.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation what is his department's involvement, if any, in a discussion to develop a national standard for driver's licences? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
David Krutko
Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod .
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our department, along with all North American jurisdictions, is participating with the Canadian Council on Motor Transport Administrators and also the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators to develop new acceptable standards. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, Mr. Minister, for your answer. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell us what the process and timelines will be for the approval and implementation of a new national standard for drivers' licences? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Deh Cho
Mr. Speaker, our current driver's licence was developed 15 years ago. We are reviewing it now with our partners. Currently it is still acceptable as a driver's licence, and that's what it was intended for. We do not have timelines at this point. We are reviewing it, and we also are doing a needs analysis of whether we should be changing it and that will come in due course. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister. Can the Minister give us some examples of what kinds of new standards and requirements are likely to come forward as recommendations to be adopted for a new standard of driver's licence? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have that at this current moment. We have hired a contractor to provide a needs analysis to give us what we need in terms of a new driver's licence and what it should entail. We are looking at a digital type of driver's licence. However, our current driver's licence is still acceptable in Canada and if there is any outside requirement for this document to be used as identification, then we have problems. However, then maybe we should be looking at a passport instead of trying to use our driver's licence. Thank you.
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Speaker, even as I look down at my own driver's licence right in front of me, I can see imperfections that need addressing immediately. I see a photo that covers the word "driver" so it reads "river's licence." I see shades, contrasts and background symbols that make it very difficult to read my home address. Mr. Speaker, this picture ID doesn't even have the word Canada on it. So for NWT residents travelling outside of Canada, they may be accused of having a fake ID.
So maybe the Department of Transportation should be issuing maps because they are trying to explain where the Northwest Territories is to some Americans who don't even know where Canada is.
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Mr. Speaker, would the Minister be willing to consider making these adjustments I have noted to our territorial driver's licence? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't what we can do about his current photo.
---Laughter
However, I have indicated that we are reviewing it and it is something that is a concern. We take it seriously and we have a contractor who is looking at this whole issue and will report back to the House as soon as we have those documents. Thank you.
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for the Deh Cho Bridge project and that is Premier Handley. I would like to know what cost the GNWT has incurred to date for the Deh Cho Bridge project and why we haven't seen a final design on the bridge project. Thank you.
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, the GNWT has had minimal costs, in the neighbourhood of $200,000 or $300,000, that we have dedicated ourselves to the bridge project. We have, in addition to that, approved a loan guarantee for the Deh Cho Bridge project of up to $2.5 million over the last government and this current government.
Mr. Speaker, the Member asked two questions and I answered the first one. I will answer the second one, as well. The Deh Cho Bridge Corporation have, to my knowledge, basically finished the design for the bridge and we are waiting for cost estimates from them and expect to have those estimates, based on the design that they have, within two to three weeks. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to know if the Premier is aware of the fact that the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation recently had their submission to the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board returned due to a lack of information. Does this cause him, as Minister responsible, any concern? Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, it's not unusual when proponents make submissions for the environmental review process to have it deemed to be incomplete. The information that was provided by the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation, to my knowledge, was incomplete. The environmental review board asked for more information that is being provided. The bridge corporation tells me that the environmental review process is still scheduled to be completed by September. So at this point, I don't have any concerns that this is going to cause a delay. Thank you.
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Premier aware that the proposed site of the bridge at the current ferry crossing is, in fact, at the foot of the Fort Providence Rapids where the current in the river is at its fastest? Does the Premier know to date there has been no geotechnical work or ice floe studies? What will this do to the cost of the project and does this cause the Premier any concern? Thank you.
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to my knowledge there has been a fair bit of geotechnical work on ice conditions as well as river floe done over the years. Looking at this site for a bridge is not something that's new to this government or even the last government. In fact, there was a lot of work done in either the 12th or 13th government where a firm was contracted to do some of these studies. We do know that the water is swift at that site and the assessment that that is still the least expensive place for the location of the bridge. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Premier to supply that geotechnical work that supposedly has been done because to my knowledge, it hasn't been done, Mr. Speaker.
I would like to insist that as a Member of this assembly that I know a final design price, expected tolls, and that I am privy to the financing agreement before the GNWT is committed to the next 35 years. Will the Premier agree to this? Thank you.
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Weledeh
Mr. Speaker, I will check to see what information is available, and whatever I have access
to I will certainly be happy to share it with the Member. In terms of commitments on the bridge, we will certainly want to know what the price is before we make a final commitment. We won't know what that price is until the contract is tendered and we have something firm from the successful bidder. Thank you.
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Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment on the Chief Albert Wright School overcrowding. As I mentioned earlier in my Member's statement, our children deserve a comfortable and safe learning environment in which they can grow and develop. The situation for teachers and students in Inuvik illustrates the challenge of the northern school facilities. The learning environment of Chief Albert Wright School is another example of the...(inaudible)...Unfortunately the construction of the Chief Albert Wright School won't be completed until the spring of 2007. Mr.
Speaker, in light of the recent collapse of Inuvik's Samuel Hearne School roof and the added pressure that's going to be placed on already strained infrastructure, can I have a commitment from the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment that the construction of a new school in Tulita will not be delayed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member knows, this assembly has to approve the funds for a capital plan, but it will certainly be my intention to move the funding forward for that school replacement as expected and shown in the infrastructure plan for the next few years.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister and Cabinet says we have to wait for a decision in terms of moving the project up for the Chief Albert Wright School, and the overcrowding in our schools makes it very challenging. Would the Minister provide the position of providing portable classrooms to alleviate the overcrowding in the interim for Chief Albert Wright School? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In a few weeks, I will be travelling to the Sahtu with the Member. I would welcome the opportunity to meet with the community and discuss what needs to happen in that project to replace the school. We can certainly have that discussion with the community when we get there.
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to my statement earlier, I would like to ask questions to the Minister responsible for Seniors , Minister Miltenberger . Obviously there are many issues pertaining to seniors that one can address in this House, but I would like to start with the housing needs. There is quite a bit of backup with respect to seniors' housing.
We have a lack of facilities for those who are suffering from dementia and they are currently being placed at the hospital, which costs a lot more on a day-to-day basis than if we were to have a separate facility to house the health and physical needs of persons who suffer from dementia. Then some of those seniors are in the hospital or in Aven Manor or Aven Seniors' Centre, which was not designed for that purpose in the first place. I know that the Minister has been considering a proposal from YACCS, Yellowknife Association for Concerned Citizens for Seniors.
I would like to know if the Minister could update this House on where he is with that proposal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is work still being done by the working group on the design. Money has been put in this over the last couple of years. Land has been acquired, but they are still working on a design. As well, we are still completing the review of facilities across the Northwest Territories and all the communities that have seniors' facilities to see what requirements are there to upgrade these facilities to make them compatible for the use we find ourselves requiring these days when it comes to dealing with accountability and plans that are there. So that work, as well, is underway and will be completed in the next few months. Thank you.
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary question is also to Minister Miltenberger in his responsibility for senior citizens, but I understand this has also to do with the Housing Minister . Mr. Speaker, we have needs for the seniors in terms of those who are suffering from dementia and who have special needs, but also seniors who can function quite independently but for financial or physical needs are not able to be in the marketplace. Does the Minister, as the Minister responsible for Seniors , have any idea to see what the needs are for seniors in terms of their differing housing needs? Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Housing Corporation came up
with a seniors' housing strategy back in 2000 that goes from 2000 to 2005. There was a needs assessment done. Currently there are 10 units slated for Yellowknife and four or five to be built as part of that strategy. In addition, Mr. Speaker, there is an extensive number of programs for seniors. There is the senior citizen home repair program, the seniors' disabled preventative maintenance initiative, home adaptations for seniors' independent program and emergency home repair and homeowner residential rehabilitation assistance program, all which seniors are eligible for.
In addition to that, we have the fuel subsidy. We have the arrangements with municipalities where they can get taxes offset when they hit 60. So, Mr. Speaker, there is an extensive range available for seniors when it comes to housing; some of the best programs in the country. Thank you.
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have things so well for the seniors, maybe we could just pack up and go home since everything has been dealt with. Surely we know that's not the case. Mr. Speaker, I believe most of the programs that the Minister has indicated are in the amounts of hundreds of dollars here, hundreds of dollars there, fixing this and fixing that. I do believe that the Minister has to agree that there are no programs currently that would help seniors to get into a low-cost unit for those who have fixed pension income or some sort of income.
It's a nest egg, but it's probably too large to qualify for any of these programs, but not enough to maintain a house or buy a house in this Yellowknife market. Has the Minister looked at the unique needs that seniors with fixed incomes are suffering with in Yellowknife because of its heated market? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, working with the Housing Corporation, needs assessments are done on an ongoing basis. We have a range of programs that are available. There are housing needs across the territory. We are looking at 10 new units here in Yellowknife in addition to the range of programs that seniors are eligible for, that I have already listed, Mr. Speaker. We recognize, as well, that as another program area, there are probably more problems and needs than there are resources. We believe we have a selection of services and resources available here that would help address those particular issues. Thank you.
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I could tell the Minister that the last time I checked, about a month ago, there were at least six seniors waiting for low cost, not social housing, but low rent housing in the Northern United Place. There are dozens of people waiting for housing in Aven Manor. That tells me there are over 20. Even if there are 10 new units being built in Yellowknife, that would only meet half of the need. I think there is a way to solve this without government actually building senior citizens' housing. There is a partnership that can be done with the government and private developers.
Would the Minister consider looking at what the needs of seniors are and come up with some sort of independent housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are waiting lists, I would suggest, in every community for housing. If the Member has a specific suggestion in terms of some creative partnerships and financing that could be done that's not going to require capital, then I am sure, as a government and as a Housing Corporation, the Minister would be very interested in hearing what those suggestions are. Thank you.
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Justice . Recently it was brought to my attention that the RCMP detachment in Fort Simpson is considering a reduction in staff. This is a huge concern to me and my constituents. Here we have a riding, my riding, that is poised for economic growth and, of course, the negative affects that come with it. Of course, the Fort Simpson detachment services four satellite communities of Nahanni Butte, Jean Marie, Trout Lake and Wrigley. I would just like to know if the Minister is aware of the RCMP in this regard in reducing the staff of the Fort Simpson detachment.
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Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been advised that there is one vacant position in the Fort Simpson detachment that the RCMP is not planning to fill at this time. I have been told that this is based on the workload that they currently have in the detachment. Thank you.
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is well aware of how budget and budgeting cycles work, especially when you reduce or take away a position. I would just like to ask the Minister if it is possible to keep that position resident and not really take it away from the budget, because once we take away a position it's so much harder to replace that position and to justify it again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Charles Dent
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The total staff complement for the RCMP would not be reduced. The contract that we have with them pays for a certain number of personnel, but the RCMP often make decisions about where to place staff and as demand changes, the location of staff will change. So if the need increases in Fort Simpson, I would expect that the RCMP would make sure that that position was then filled in that community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am just trying to request the Minister to speak with the RCMP, of course with whom we have a contract, to get some kind of commitment that certainly they won't staff that position now, but at least they won't remove that position. We are going to grow and that's going to happen soon in light of the pipeline and the activities that are associated with it. It's certainly trying to pick up speed. We are looking at filing the application this year, so a lot of things will start to happen. Lots of people will start passing through the communities and we will certainly experience unwanted negative effects like drifters and people passing through. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Charles Dent
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will certainly commit to the Member that I will discuss the staffing issues with the RCMP the next time I meet with the chief superintendent, but I will remind Members that it's always an RCMP decision as to where staff are located and they make their decisions based on the volume of work. There is no intent for us to reduce the total staff complement with the RCMP. In fact, I am hoping that we will, over the next two years, be able to increase the level of staffing in our contract with them to respond to the request that they have submitted to this government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation . Mr. Speaker, each of the communities have local housing authorities and subsequently they have boards which govern their activities. I would like to know how much say or how much input the Minister or the NWT Housing Corporation has into the rules applied to tenants living in and applying for pubic housing in the communities. Thank you.
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