Debates of June 9th, 2008

This is page numbers 993 to 1058 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was education .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 57-16(20) Maximizing Opportunities

Minister’s Statement 58-16(2) Mining Week

Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

Proposed Women’s Correctional Facility In Fort Smith

Gravel Source For Trout Lake

Dempster Highway Road Conditions

Counselling Services In Lutselk’e

Mining Week 2008

Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

Public Service Employment Of Persons With Disabilities

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

Question 289-16(2) Public Service Employment Of Persons With Disabilities

Question 290-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

Question 291-16(2) Ekati Diamond Mine Tailings Spill

Question 292-16(2) Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

Question 293-16(2) Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

Question 294-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

Question 295-16(2) Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

Question 296-16(2) RCMP Public Complaints Process

Question 297-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

Question 298-16(2) Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

Question 19-16(2) Summer Students Hiring Process

Question 20-16(2) Wage Subsidy Program

Tabling of Documents

Bill 11

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Education, Culture And Employment

Committee Motion 34-16(2) To Reinstate $110,000 For The Coordinator Assessment And Evaluation Position, Department Of Education, Culture And Employment, Under The Education And Culture Activity (Committee Motion Carried)

Committee Motion 35-16(2) ECE Modification To The Income Security Program Regarding Rent Increases (Committee Motion Carried)

Committee Motion 36-16(2) ECE Childcare Subsidy Program Reform (Committee Motion Carried)

Committee Motion 37-16(2) ECE Income Security Program Reform Regarding The Senior Home Heating Subsidy As Amended (Committee Motion As Amended Carried)

Committee Motion 38-16(2) To Defer Further Consideration Of The Department Of Education, Culture And Employment — Operations Expenditures (Committee Motion Carried)

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The lead Minister on Maximizing Opportunities Strategic Initiative Committee, the Hon. Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 57-16(20) Maximizing Opportunities

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker. I

would like to take this opportunity today, as the lead minister, to provide an update on the activities that are being undertaken and planned under the Maximizing Opportunities Strategic Initiative.

Maximizing Opportunities is one of the five initiatives that form the backbone of our government’s strategic approach and which are the basis of the investments announced in the recent budget. These five strategic initiatives have their foundation in the vision, goals and priorities developed by all Members.

The actions associated with Maximizing Opportunities advance the goal of a diversified economy that provides all communities and regions with opportunities and choices and supports other goals of the Assembly.

The NWT is rich in both resources and economic opportunities. The activities under this initiative are all aimed at positioning NWT residents to take advantage of these opportunities. Four broad actions are planned under Maximizing Opportunities:

Improving Skills for Living and Working

Maximizing Benefits from Resource Development

Supporting

Diversification

Promoting the NWT as a Place to Visit and Live

First, many NWT residents are not achieving the skills they need to enter and advance in the labour market or take advantage of existing and emerging opportunities. To address this fact, Improving Skills for Living and Working aims to build the skills we need in the Northwest Territories, especially trades and entrepreneurial skills.

We have proposed over $4.4 million in investments starting in 2008–2009, including funding and supports for trades in high schools; additional support for trades and apprentices through marketing and promotion of trades, including efforts targeted at women and aboriginal people, as well as ongoing support throughout apprenticeship and occupational certification programs; and enhanced mobile trades training that will expand trades training to include Aurora Campus in Inuvik and outlying communities.

Second, Maximizing Benefits from Resource Development will include facilitating the GNWT’s participation in preparing for the construction of the Mackenzie Gas Project. Specifically, the GNWT will make the necessary investments to complete our participation in the National Energy Board review, to begin implementation of our arrangements with the project proponents and fulfill our responsibilities in the regulatory phase of the project.

The Mackenzie Gas Project represents an important opportunity for our territory to advance towards the vision of a balanced, diversified and sustainable economy. The project holds the promise of significant ongoing investments in the oil and gas sector and substantial business employment opportunities providing both direct and indirect support to the sector.

Investment has also been planned to take the Taltson Hydro Expansion Project through the environmental assessment process and complete a project development agreement. This project has significant economic impacts and could significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions from the diamond sector.

Third, resource development is spurring the NWT’s economy, but it alone cannot provide a sustainable, balanced and diversified economy. We are proposing investments of $3.1 million for Supporting Diversification in 2008–2009 that focuses on efforts to support small business development and tourism in the Northwest Territories. Activities include a new Support for Entrepreneurs and Economic Development, or SEED, policy and funding for refurbishment and expansion of the territorial parks system and for cultural

interpretations at parks in all five regions.

Fourth, the NWT is rich in culture as well as natural resources and has enormous future potential. Promoting the NWT as a Place to Visit and Live is aimed at marketing and promoting the NWT and supporting its arts and crafts.

A critical element of this action is our increased support for the arts. This vital sector makes important economic contributions, and this support will allow us to implement aspects of the Arts Strategy.

The activities aimed at promoting the NWT at the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver starting in 2008–2009 are to plan our involvement at the Olympics. These games are being dubbed Canada’s Games, and as we plan our involvement, we need to consider our priorities of economic diversification and youth. We want to use this opportunity to promote our territory and to showcase our northern artists, performers and culture. The Olympics may also provide an opportunity for youth to take part as ambassadors to our territory and get a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

These four actions all contribute to achieving a balanced, diversified and sustainable economy. They will promote development that reduces regional and community disparities, will help identify new economic opportunities, will support the development of sustainable local economies through small businesses and community-based sectors, and will help build community human resource capacity with an emphasis on trades and entrepreneurial skills.

The recently adopted GNWT Macroeconomic Policy Framework guides the GNWT’s investment in the NWT economy. The Maximizing Opportunities Committee will be overseeing the next step in setting out the GNWT’s economic road map — the development of a long-range economic investment plan that uses the criteria set out in the framework to evaluate the potential impacts of investments in the various sectors of our economy. This work will also guide investment decisions regarding the $4.2 million in the Community Development Trust funding received from Canada earlier this year.

The planned actions as part of the Maximizing Opportunities initiative will help us achieve our goals and vision of a strong, sustainable and prosperous NWT.

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 57-16(20) Maximizing Opportunities

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr.

Bob

McLeod.

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Minister’s Statement 58-16(2) Mining Week

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr.

Speaker, today is the

beginning of Mining Week, an opportunity to highlight the significance of this sector to our economy and our future.

From our humble beginnings driven by the rush for gold to our prominent status as the world’s third largest producer of diamonds, mining in the Northwest Territories has been the mainstay of our resource economy. Since 1991 investment in mineral production, specifically diamond mining and exploration, has been the driving force behind a decade of record-setting economic statistics for the Northwest Territories.

In this time the growth of mining has done much more than just stimulating the NWT economy. It has changed the way we do business. Our residents, businesses and corporations now take a direct role in our region’s economic growth as business owners, operators and investors.

Beneficiaries of our mining sector include aboriginally and regionally owned airlines, hotels, restaurants, construction firms and telecommunications and logistics companies, as well as service and supply industries. These northern investors and entrepreneurs have succeeded by meeting the needs of our rapidly expanding mining sector. Their success, in turn, is presenting us with an unprecedented opportunity to build a future. This is the true value of mining in our territory.

The mining sector has and can continue to offer tremendous opportunities for NWT residents under the right conditions. It is critical that we strike the right balance between our support of this sector and its impact on our residents, our communities and our environment.

As a government we have supported environmentally responsible and sustainable mining developments on the condition that the benefits of these operations can be maximized for NWT residents, businesses and communities. This can be seen in our growing secondary diamond industry. We have been very careful to follow up

and confirm the commitments made by our major mining companies in our socioeconomic agreements. Mining has been the impetus and test case for this made-in-the-NWT approach to resource development, and thanks to the commitment of the industry itself, these agreements are bearing positive results.

Since the establishment of our first socioeconomic agreement with BHP in 1996, the combined operations of Ekati, Diavik, and Snap Lake have spent over $5 billion with northern and aboriginal businesses. In that same time these three mines have provided in excess of 10,000 person-years of employment to Northerners. This includes over 5,000 person-years of employment for aboriginal people of the NWT.

The mining industry in the NWT continues to show great promise. Exploration and mining are not without challenges, but this sector, driven by the demand for our abundant resources, will continue to be the economic cornerstone of our future.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 58-16(2) Mining Week

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to discuss affirmative action and the involvement of aboriginal persons in senior management. The Affirmative Action Policy has been around for nearly 20 years, since 1989, and it has certainly had an impact on the GNWT’s hiring decisions over that period of time.

What I want to point out today is that even though the policy has been with us for nearly 20 years, we’re still failing as a government to have a workforce representative of the population. The percentage of aboriginal employees has been hovering in and around the 30 per cent mark over the past dozen years. There does not seem to be a concerted effort on behalf of government to improve on the statistics.

Even more troubling, Mr. Speaker, is the fact that even though the policy itself has been with us for almost 20 years, we have not been successful at succession planning for aboriginal employees. Currently we have just 15 per cent of the GNWT’s senior management listed as aboriginal. Even after having affirmative action for 20 years, we are not doing well in this area.

The Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations has only one employee that is aboriginal in senior management. ITI, arguably the most top-heavy department in government today, has 21 senior management positions of which only one is staffed by an aboriginal person. Some of the other areas of our operations also need to do a better job acquiring aboriginal senior managers. These include Justice, Aurora College, Finance and the Department of Executive. I also point out that the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has the best percentage government-wide with six out of 15 senior managers being aboriginal for a percentage of 40 per cent.

Mr. Speaker, what the GNWT needs to do is have a plan, and it needs to be able to identify aboriginal employees for mentoring and succession planning. What is happening is that aboriginal employees are getting frustrated and taking their skills with them outside the Northwest Territories, and this is a shame. We need to keep our people and their skills here in the NWT. We need to find out why there is always a huge discrepancy between the percentage of aboriginal employees in government and those in management.

Mr. Speaker, I’ll have questions for the Minister of Human Resources at the appropriate time. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Proposed Women’s Correctional Facility In Fort Smith

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

Today I would like to talk about the proposed women’s correctional facility in Fort Smith.

I don’t know how many more mistakes we’re going to make in terms of Justice and infrastructure related to Justice than we already have. I remember when we went through the battle in this House over the closure of the Dene K’onia Young Offender Facility in Hay River, which just had to move to Yellowknife and be added on to the new North Slave Correctional Centre. I was here when we talked about the millions and millions of dollars of cost overruns on the North Slave Correctional Centre, which I’m sure came in at around $50 million.

We’ve been through a debate on the establishment and construction of a new court facility here in Yellowknife, which is probably another $50 or $60 million. We keep making mistake after mistake with respect to corrections facilities, and I think that we had better take a very serious long look before we invest any more millions of dollars in capital infrastructure for corrections facilities.

Mr. Speaker, I don’t know what’s wrong with the facility that’s existing in Fort Smith. I hear it’s old. I say: “So what? If it works, who cares if it’s old?” Why would we need a $6 million facility for a minimum security facility in the Northwest Territories? I don’t know how many women are incarcerated in the Northwest Territories, but I would suggest that it’s not very many.

We need to get our priorities straight as a government. We need more money. At a time when we’re in a reduction mode and trying to find $135 million in reductions over the next two years, we need to look at priorities like front-line resources for children with special needs in our classrooms, treatment for young people who are suffering with addictions, daycare facilities, youth centres and programs for our young people. We need to get our priorities straight as a government, and I would suggest that spending $6 million on a corrections facility should not be a priority spending item for this government.

Mr. Speaker, I could swear, after we had this debate in the House about voting that planning money down for that facility, that I heard the Minister of Justice on the radio saying that they were going to find the planning money from someplace else. Later today I’ll have questions for the Minister of Justice whether or not, in fact, he did make that statement, and if he did, then we’ll have to ask ourselves what is the purpose of what we’ve been doing here for the last several weeks.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Proposed Women’s Correctional Facility In Fort Smith

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Gravel Source For Trout Lake

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems like ever since I was first elected to this Assembly in 2003, I have been hearing about the infamous gravel-source 177 outside of Tuktoyaktuk. Now it seems the government has found a way to move this important project.

In my riding the community of Trout Lake has source 15, which they need access to. Source 15 is located approximately 20 kilometres from Trout Lake and supplies the gravel for that community. Up until two years ago it was more efficient to haul gravel across the lake during the winter, so the lack of an all-weather access road did not present a problem. However, for the last two winters the lake ice has not been thick enough to allow for the gravel haul, and the situation is becoming critical. The time has come when we need to build an

access road, and this needs to happen soon. With climate change we clearly can no longer count on having enough ice to use the lake for the winter haul.

Mr. Speaker, it is my hope that the government will see fit to make the access road to source 15 a priority. Small communities like Trout Lake have to live without many of the services and infrastructure that those in larger centres take for granted, but gravel is very basic for our small communities. I think that this government does need to ensure that that need is met.

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Gravel Source For Trout Lake

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Menicoche.

Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Dempster Highway Road Conditions

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d just like to know: what do the people of Mackenzie Delta have to do to bring attention to the road conditions of the Dempster Highway and the condition of roads in our communities — set up roadblocks and ask the travelling public to pay for these repairs? The road conditions of the Dempster Highway have to be pretty bad for someone from the Inuvik region to complain that the road is bad.

Again, I’m standing up in this House talking about the condition of the Dempster Highway. We hear complaints in regard to Highway No. 7, closure of that highway, complaints in regard to Highway No. 6.... And yet again, another gravel highway is being brought to the situation of being a public debate issue in this House. Yet we have other highways where we’re basically talking about chipseal, from Highway No. 3 to Highway No. 4 and now Highway No. 5.

We have to realize that the travelling public has to be our first priority, and the public safety, as the Minister states, is his number one priority. Yet people have died on our highways because of road conditions. We have to do everything we can to improve our highway systems.

In light of this being the 50th anniversary for Inuvik,

the Dempster Highway is an important link for those people travelling our road systems, and I think it’s important that we do everything we can. The Inuvik celebrations are just a couple of weeks down the road, and I think we have to do everything we can to get that road in place.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the last time a Minister drove on that highway we spotted five graders on the road system between Inuvik and the border. I’m wondering if that’s what it takes for this government to act: to have a Minister drive the highway, and then you see some action.

I’d like to ask the Minister at the appropriate time: exactly what does it take to maintain the Dempster Highway?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Krutko. The

honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Counselling Services In Lutselk’e

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Previously I talked about counselling services in Lutselk’e. Unfortunately, the services currently being offered to the residents of Lutselk’e are not meeting the needs of the people.

With the recent suicides that the community has had to deal with, the department needs to conduct an immediate review of these services. I understand the department is in the process of reviewing the entire Mental Health and Addictions Strategy, and that’s good to hear. But I need to know, in addition to this review, what action is being taken specifically to address the situation in Lutselk’e.

Lutselk’e is a small, isolated community with a population of

400. Of that 400, 96

per

cent is

aboriginal. Also, of that 400, almost half of the population is 25 years or younger.

Lutselk’e is a traditional community, with many residents still hunting, trapping and fishing. Over 80

per cent of the community still speaks the

traditional language of Chipewyan.

With Lutselk’e being an aboriginal community, it is critical that the government’s programs and services properly recognize and effectively incorporate cultural sensitivity into the design, and more importantly, the delivery of programs and services. This includes actively engaging the community. This is not happening in Lutselk’e, and it is a significant factor in why the mental health and addictions counselling service is not meeting the needs of its residents.

Mr. Speaker, I understand this is a very complex issue, and many factors are to be taken into consideration when designing programs and the delivery mechanisms. But one of these factors that has to be included is the full, unconditional participation of the community; in this case, the Lutselk’e Dene Band. The community has been requesting this for some time now.

I view the situation in Lutselk’e as critical, and I feel that we have to do all we can to provide the necessary support, including incorporating the unique cultural perspectives of the aboriginal people.

The reality is Lutselk’e is an isolated, traditional aboriginal community, and the mental health and

addictions programs and services currently delivered are not meeting the needs of the people.

Today I will have questions for the Minister.

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Counselling Services In Lutselk’e

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Beaulieu. The

honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Mining Week 2008

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. June 9 to 14 is Mining Week, a promotional event sponsored by the NWT & Nunavut Chamber of Mines. It’s an opportunity for the Chamber to show the public what miners do and how the mining industry benefits Northerners and Canadians in general.

The North has a long history of mining as a driver of our economy. Yellowknife in particular has been and still is dependent on mining. Since 1937, when the first gold mining camp was established here, the mining industry has been the foundation of Yellowknife’s economy.

Some of the gold mines established over the years were Burwash Mine, Con Mine, Negus Mine, Giant Mine, Ptarmigan Mine and Colomac Mine. All are now closed, with the two biggest mines –– Con and Giant –– shut down in 2003 and 2005, respectively.

A community’s character is often set by its history. For Yellowknife, the influence the gold mines have had on this city will likely never be forgotten. Since the closure of the two major gold mines, Yellowknife has managed to maintain its vibrant economy due to the opening of three diamond mines north of here. The economy is now closely linked to diamond mining instead of gold mining, and Yellowknife’s trademark is now Diamond Capital of North America.

Mining Week celebrates our mining heritage, our mining industry, both past and present, and mine rescue competitions, hotly contested by teams from our northern mines. The activities get underway today. Residents can check out the new diamond displays at the Northern Frontier Visitors Centre. Today through Thursday they can tour mine training simulators at Aurora College, and learn how to operate a loader, a haul truck, or a tunnel bolter. Wednesday they can take in the NWT Mining Heritage Society annual general meeting. It’s a barbecue, picnic and tours of Giant Mine.

Friday and Saturday they can observe the annual Mine Rescue Competition. And last but not least, they can attend the Miner’s Picnic on Saturday. Yellowknife Community Arena will be the place to be on June 14.

I urge Members and Yellowknife residents to take advantage of these Mining Week festivities. Northern mining brought us to where we are today and will take us forward as the NWT moves into the

future. Your attendance at events will show miners that you respect their contributions to our society, both past and present.

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Mining Week 2008

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms.

Bisaro. The

honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

Members’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. This

weekend, on Saturday, I

had the privilege of

attending and speaking at the grad ceremonies held in Inuvik for the Samuel Hearne graduates. We had 40 grads this year, and it was the 40th year of

Samuel Hearne Secondary School.

The valedictorian who spoke to the students made a couple of comments that caused me to think about and appreciate the system that we have up here. The first comment he made, he was talking about doing his grade 11 in Ottawa just last year, and he kind of disputed the fact that everybody says the quality of education is better down south, and I thought that was a very good remark. This was coming from a young man who had done all his schooling in the North, through our educational system, from kindergarten.

The second remark that he made, he encouraged his fellow grads to take advantage of the best post-secondary support system in the country. I thought these were very wise words coming from such a young man.

And that’s where I’d like to go today, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to speak on the training opportunities for youth. Not all of our students are going to go on to university or college. There are a lot of them that are going to go into the trades, and that’s something we have to promote, and promote vigorously, starting in Inuvik, with the trades trailers that they have there. A couple of my colleagues and I had an opportunity to tour the facility, and it’s something that’s going to have a lot of positive influence, I think, in the coming years.

This government, in my opinion, has to be proactive. They have to be leading the way, leading the push for training Northerners, and not following. Some of the aboriginal governments –– in particular, the Inuvialuit and Gwich’in –– are doing what they can to try to set themselves and the young people up to take advantage of the training opportunities. The recent announcement –– I think, this past weekend –– of $1.2 billion in exploration rights for the Beaufort-Delta really points to the need that we have to get our young people out there. We have to get them trained.

We have to accelerate the training, because development will come and go, and if we’re not proactive in this, then we’re going to miss the boat on this one. It’s something that we should be setting up for right

now. This government has to take the leading role in this.

Mr.

Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to

conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, colleagues. I was saying that this government has to be in the forefront on this one. We have to let industry know that our young people need to be trained, and work with the aboriginal governments. But it has to be a cooperative, collaborative effort. It’s very important. I don’t want to see this territory ten years from now with all the work come and gone, and our people still not trained. It’s not acceptable, and I think we have to see what we can do about it. Young people are the future of the Northwest Territories, and we have to make sure they’re the ones that are the major beneficiaries of all the work that’s going to be going on.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. The

honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Public Service Employment Of Persons With Disabilities

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I’d like today to urge this government to hire more people who are persons with disabilities.

Persons with disabilities have priority status under our Affirmative Action Program and Policy. With that in mind, Mr.

Speaker, I’d like some

explanations for the low numbers for persons with disabilities in our public service. It’s hard to believe that of the 4,725 employees within the GNWT we only have 19 people, or 0.4 per cent, who are persons with disabilities.

For me, this raises two issues. For one, the Affirmative Action Policy does not work; and secondly, this government is not committed to integrating this group into our workforce.

The GNWT needs to starts hiring more persons with disabilities. They need to make true accommodations to integrate them into our casual pool. It is time for this government to realize that fostering diversity is a strength in our organization, not a weakness. To help this disadvantaged group get a little help and get forward in this life, we have community-based organizations like the EmployABILITY program of the Yellowknife Association for Community Living that has the expertise in this field. I’m sure they’d be more than happy to get out there and work with the Department of Human Resources to make sure some initiatives get off the ground.

Supporting persons with disabilities as they work towards achieving their skills, development and employment goals must become a priority of this government. Priorities also mean strategic investment, Mr. Speaker. This government needs to set up a pool of money and set aside something in the range of $50,000 that could achieve these goals. That’s not asking for an incredible sum; it’s something that could go a long way. This government needs to recognize that individuals such as I’ve talked about can make valuable contributions in our public service.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, I want to say that whenever someone’s hired, you see that they bring a new hope and a new light to their life — you can see the excitement in their eyes — and the chance of moving forward with some dreams. Let’s make sure that we bring some dreams and hope back to this group. Let’s hope that we bring some quality of life back to this group, such as persons with disabilities. I think we could go a long way by recognizing the opportunities, not the walls.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I’d like to recognize Stephen Dunbar, a graduate student of Carleton University. He’s doing his thesis on consensus government. Most of you will recognize him from a while back. Welcome, Steven.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Just following up on my Member’s statement with regard to access to gravel sources in the communities, I know that in the last Assembly we had done some work on the gravel strategy for our communities. I’d just like to know the current position of the Minister of Transportation with regard to the gravel strategy that we produced last term. Mahsi.

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Menicoche. The

honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the question from the Member, in terms

of the source 15 — what we’re going to be calling it — into Trout Lake.

Certainly, the gravel issue down the Mackenzie Valley to all the communities has become an item for Transportation, and we’re working with other departments in terms of dealing with certain issues of gravel into the communities.

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

believe we should do it

numerically. Source 15 is way before 177.

But with that, Mr. Speaker, part of the strategy includes, I

believe — maybe the Minister can

correct me — doing class D estimates on how much the roads are going to cost. Has there been any work done in Nahendeh riding, and most particularly in Trout Lake?

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, I agree with the Member. If we were to do it numerically, we would have 14 other sources before Trout.

I appreciate the question from the Member. The report in terms of the gravel sources: we’re certainly working closely with our colleague here from Public Works, in terms of working with the community and Public Works, in terms of the gravel sources for each community.

As Mr. Menicoche noted, last week in the House Mr. Krutko asked a question on the Aklavik gravel source and working with the department in terms of how we deal with this issue. It’s a government-wide issue, because this issue will become very important in the coming years, in terms of developing and investing in our communities and in our transportation system.

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr.

Speaker, the reason I’m

raising it in the Assembly today is that it has been a couple of years since Trout Lake was able to access gravel. In fact, they had it hauled — I think it was from 60 kilometres away — this winter just to meet that urgent need.

Part of the strategy was to get readily accessible gravel to the communities. I’d just like to ask once again: how much work was done towards the Trout Lake gravel access?

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, I would be very happy to sit with the Member sometime today or tomorrow and go through the details in terms of the amount of work, but I don’t have it available right in front of me to answer some of the specifics, in terms of the work. We had done work on the gravel sources down in the Mackenzie Valley communities. I’ll be happy to sit with the Member in terms of going through the details with him.

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Yakeleya. Final

supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’ve made reference to the gravel strategy from the 15th Assembly. Is that document

public, and can I see a copy of it once again? Mahsi.

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Yes, it’s public, and certainly I will make sure that he gets a copy.

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Question 286-16(2) Gravel Source For Trout Lake

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Yakeleya. Oral

questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I talked about the importance of involving community First Nations groups in the design and delivery of mental health and addictions programs and services.

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to ask the Minister: in light of what has happened in the last couple of years in Lutselk’e, what is the Department of Social Services doing to specifically respond to the suicides?

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Beaulieu. The

honourable

Minister responsible for Health and

Social Services, Ms. Lee .

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member stated in his Member’s statement, I and the department are in the process of reviewing our mental health and addictions strategy, and I will make sure that we put focus on consulting with the communities and putting in culturally appropriate programming.

Secondly, Mr.

Speaker, our front-line staff are

trained, in working with the communities, to be aware of and prepared to deal with suicide potential. Specifically to what the Member is speaking to, which are the three suicides that happened in the community, I

have asked the

deputy minister to send a team of specialists there to address that situation in the short term.

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I understand there is an MOU between the community and the department. Can the Minister tell me what the MOU entails?

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I wasn’t aware that there was an MOU, and I’m not aware of the details, but I’m happy to look into that and have further discussions with the Member.

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I am told there is an MOU between the department and the Lutselk’e Dene Band. If the Minister finds the MOU, would the Minister agree to complete an immediate review of the MOU with the Lutselk’e Dene Band?

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I am aware that the department, through Yellowknife Health and Social Services Authority, is much in touch with some of the challenges and needs of the community, so I’m happy to make the commitment to undertake that and see what we can do to work on this.

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms.

Lee. Final

supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. I

understand that it’s difficult for us until we’re meeting with YK Health and Social Services to bring anything here on the floor that it has to do with. My question to the Minister: is there any local person, a local Health and Social Services person that speaks the language that has the potential to be working for Health and Social Services at Lutselk’e?

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I don’t have that detailed information. We have a lot of people working in the Health and Social Services system who are from the North, who are from the community, but I don’t have that information for Lutselk’e. I do make the commitment to the Member that I will undertake to look at that MOU, which I understand speaks to the working relationship between the department and the community of Lutselk’e and then to build on that to strengthen the programs available and active for the community of Lutselk’e. Thank you.

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Question 287-16(2) Counselling Services For Lutselk’e

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Transportation in regard to my Member’s statement on the condition of the Dempster Highway. I’d just like to ask the Minister exactly what it is going to take, from this government and from the Minister’s department, to realize the condition of the Dempster Highway. Is there a process in place to ensure that the public’s safety is paramount in regard to anything that happens to avoid accidents and death on that highway?

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Krutko. The

honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to state to the Member that I certainly agree with that. It’s this government’s first priority, in terms of the safety of the roads for the travelling public, and this department has, significantly over a number of years, invested heavily in terms of the maintenance and the reconstruction of the Dempster Highway. We continue to do that in terms of providing a safe road for the travelling public, helping the area of the Member’s riding.

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

As I mentioned also, Inuvik is celebrating their 50th anniversary in the next couple

of weeks. It’s going to be very crucial that the travelling public is able to travel safely to Inuvik for that 50th anniversary. I’d like to ask the Minister:

exactly what is your department doing to ensure that the public safety is paramount and that we do what we have to, to upgrade and maintain that road so that the travelling public feels safe and secure on that highway system?

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

The Member is correct. We’re well aware of the 50th anniversary that the

good town of Inuvik is going to celebrate. The department and I have been working on the safety mechanisms on the Dempster Highway in terms of the dust control, in terms of the extra work that needs to happen. I’m looking forward to sitting down with the department some time in a short while in terms of getting an update as to what recommendations are going to be in place in the future to ensure the travelling public does experience a safe drive on our roads in terms of them coming from all places, and especially driving on the Dempster to Inuvik.

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

As I mentioned in my statement, I think the last time the Minister was up there, we spotted five graders on the road. It’s possible that if the Minister or the superintendent of highways would drive that highway, maybe we’ll see some attention by way of seeing graders on the road. Would the Minister commit himself or his superintendent to actually physically drive that highway to see for yourself exactly the condition of that road, and maybe we’ll see something get done to it.

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

I certainly look forward to driving the Dempster Highway sometime this year. I want to reassure the Member that over the years of the Dempster Highway we have spent a great number of dollars in terms of investing, in terms of reconstructing, upgrading the road. We have done a lot of work, and we’ll continue to do work in the future. I will assure the Member that the staff at the regional office takes extra precaution and care in terms of ensuring that the public do experience safe driving on the Dempster Highway.

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I’d like to ask the Minister if they have statistics in regard to the number of accidents and deaths that have occurred on our gravel highways. I mentioned Highway No. 7 and Highway No. 8 and also Highway No. 6. I’d like to ask the Minister: have you done a comparison of gravel highways and highways that have hardtop by way of calcium? I’d like to ask the Minister if he has that detail, and if not, can he get it to me.

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

We keep that every year. I will be glad to share the information with the Member. I don’t have the detail in front of me. What

I know from the information I have read on the Dempster Highway is that we have actually lowered the accident rates on that road since we started the reconstruction from the Yukon border to the town of Inuvik.

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Question 288-16(2) Dempster Highway Road Conditions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Yakeleya. Oral

questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 289-16(2) Public Service Employment Of Persons With Disabilities

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today during my Member’s statement I talked about bringing hope and inspiration back to a disadvantaged group. That group I was talking about is the Council of Persons with Disabilities. To be absolutely clear, not every person with a disability requires extra help. They are able to get out there and get gainful employment, actually, through the regular process. There are programs out there, as I talked about the EmployABILITY for persons with disabilities, that help people with disabilities to get jobs.

My questions are for the Minister of Human Resources . My issue really comes down to this: would the Minister be willing to look at setting up a small fund that departments can draw upon to make sure they can get out to hire people with disabilities, to make sure they get gainful employment and help bring back some of that quality of life?

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Question 289-16(2) Public Service Employment Of Persons With Disabilities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 289-16(2) Public Service Employment Of Persons With Disabilities

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

The hiring of people with disabilities is a priority for this government, and certainly we will be prepared to look at all avenues where we can increase their representation.

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Question 289-16(2) Public Service Employment Of Persons With Disabilities

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

That was an excellent answer. I would hope that his next answer will include “yes” and will look at the $50,000 suggested by the Member. My question to the Minister is: would he look at potentially setting up a pool of money, such as maybe $50,000, to get something started as a potential pool that departments can draw from to use to fund people in this category?

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Question 289-16(2) Public Service Employment Of Persons With Disabilities

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

As the hiring of people with disabilities is a priority for this government, this is certainly an area that we will put additional resources to. I don’t know if we would want to limit ourselves to $50,000. As a department we have identified a lead person to deal with the hiring of people with disabilities, and I will be meeting with the president of the NWT Council for Persons with Disabilities later this week.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

May I be the last person to put a limit on that pool of funds for this Minister, but I was only trying to talk about seed money. If this Minister of Human Resources wants to put in more money, he’s certainly welcome to it. My question is: was that a commitment to making sure that this would happen, and can we expect something in the near future?

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

As the Member knows, the delegated responsibility for staffing rests with the deputy ministers and their departments. Certainly I’ll be working with all departments to ensure that we continue to improve our performance in the hiring of disabled people within the public service.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. Final

supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

We seem to get these great answers, and I want to thank the Minister for these great answers, but we just seem to be really short of that commitment and excitement.

Would the Minister be willing to step up the pressure on all departments to make sure that they increase their percentage of people within their department who they hire who have disabilities? Will he take that commitment a little further and work a little harder with it?

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Yes, we are committed to achieving that. We will be starting that with a meeting with the president of the NWT Council for Persons with Disabilities.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. The

honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 290-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As in my Member’s statement today, I have questions about the proposed women’s correctional facility for Fort Smith. So far all that’s been identified in the budget was money for planning. I’d like to ask the Minister responsible for Justice what is wrong with the facility that we have now, how many women does it accommodate, and what kind of occupancy has been historic over the last few years?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Three questions there. Minister, you can answer one or all three, if you would like. The honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 290-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker.

Certainly this facility that we’re referring to was before Committee of the Whole, this facility in Fort Smith. The building itself is from the 1950s and holds minimal security. Those inmates with high

risk are usually sent to RCMP cells, or most of them are sent south. We certainly want to keep them in the North. That was part of the plan. The capacity of that facility is 18 inmates. I don’t have the to-date record, but from April we had 12 inmates in there and some are still down south. If we bring those inmates from down south that will certainly fill up the capacity. There again we don’t have the security. That’s maximum security at the corrections.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I’d like to ask the Minister: how many inmates would the new facility propose to hold and at what price?

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Part of the plan that was brought forward was to have a newer facility that would have the maximum security to allow those inmates that are down south as we currently speak. Part of the proposal is to have those inmates…. With the numbers of inmates that we have down south, if we bring them back, we’ll be at full capacity. Right now we’re talking about 18 inmates in that facility.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

So if I understand correctly, the current facility will hold 18 inmates and the proposed new facility would hold 18 inmates but have a greater security capacity. At what projected cost and what classification of estimates would the new facility be projected at?

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

We were proposing $320,000 for the planning stages, but that’s been part of the deletion. At the same time, there were different phases, phase 1 and phase 2. I don’t have the actual number with me right now, but I can certainly provide what was budgeted for the new facility. Now we have to look at options, because the number for planning has been taken out. If we need to find some internally, it might be difficult at this time within the Justice department. Those are options that we need to look at, where we go from here. Certainly I can share that information with the Member.

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Question 290-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

The Minister has provided me with a perfect segue to my last question. That is, if the planning money has been voted out by a motion of this Assembly, out of the budget, are the comments that we heard of in the media correct then that, in fact, the planning money may be sought and found within the Department of Justice budget right now, so as to proceed regardless of the motion of this House?

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Those are ongoing discussions that we’re having within our department — if the money is taken out, then what options do we have? Certainly, with the Justice department alone, that’s a substantial amount of money. If we need to find it within, it’s going to be a bit difficult. We’re looking at options to move forward. If we’re

going to proceed with the facility in Smith, then we need to have more discussion on that. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. Oral

questions. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 291-16(2) Ekati Diamond Mine Tailings Spill

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on my statement on Friday about BHP Billiton’s Ekati Diamond Mine tailings spill. In particular, I understand that there was a three-day delay, we now know, between the occurrence of the spill and its detection. So to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources : is there an attempt to get to the bottom of that and tune up the detection abilities or to work with the inspectors that are responsible for that? Thank you.

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Question 291-16(2) Ekati Diamond Mine Tailings Spill

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Bromley. The

honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 291-16(2) Ekati Diamond Mine Tailings Spill

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The first priority was to make sure that the spill was dealt with properly. Very clearly, as that issue is dealt with, there’s going to be a review, a debriefing and a post-mortem on what happened, what were the timelines and where improvements are needed.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I certainly don’t disagree with the priority there. I understand that cleanup is going well.

I also understand it was a malfunction of a spigot that caused the spill. Apparently it was some ice and whatnot clogging it. I suspect it’s partly because of changing conditions. We’re finding our springs are a lot different than they used to be and so on.

I’m wondering if the Minister has considered having a fairly broad review of the protocols that developments such as this are following in regard to the new information we have on climate change and the source of extreme variations we can expect from now on.

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Question 291-16(2) Ekati Diamond Mine Tailings Spill

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Member has identified an issue that is going to bear some scrutiny. There have been a number of spills and situations that have happened resulting with leaks of fuel and tailings ponds attributed to ground shifting, things freezing. There seem to be some things — while I’m not in a position to say emphatically or unequivocally — that are related to the issues the Member has indicated. Clearly, one of the issues that has been attributed to those causations has been the changing climate. So the Member raises a point that is going to bear scrutiny.

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Question 291-16(2) Ekati Diamond Mine Tailings Spill

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

One last question: will the review include the tailings dams that have ice cores in them? I understand they were designed for a warming of 1.5 degrees Celsius, and we know now that that’s quite insufficient.

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Question 291-16(2) Ekati Diamond Mine Tailings Spill

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

All those technical criteria will be part of what is going to be reviewed to make sure that we can try to hopefully anticipate some things and not wait until there’s actually a failure. All those factors will be considered.

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Question 291-16(2) Ekati Diamond Mine Tailings Spill

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 292-16(2) Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. My

questions are for the Minister of Human Resources . It gets back to my Member’s statement where I was speaking of aboriginal persons in senior management positions with the GNWT, the Affirmative Action Policy being in place since 1989. The number of aboriginal employees in the GNWT workforce has been hovering around 30 per cent — that’s government-wide — but in senior management it’s at 15 per cent. This policy has been around for 20 years, so I’m wondering what plans the government, this current government, has to address the low numbers of aboriginal people in senior management positions with this government.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Ramsay. The

honourable Minister responsible for Human Resources , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Minister of Human Resources

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is correct in pointing out the low levels of aboriginals in senior management. This is a problem that has been around for a long time. The Government of the Northwest Territories’ aboriginal representation in the public sector has been flatlined at 31 per cent for at least eight or nine years. We’ve proposed to the previous government and will be coming forward to propose once again that we look at making changes and moving towards an employment equity program.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

There are a lot of reasons why I’m bringing this issue up today. I hear about aboriginal constituents who work for the GNWT who are consistently passed over for promotion when it comes time to look at advancing in the department. It’s not just one department — Transportation, Justice — it happens all the time.

I’d like to ask the Minister of Human Resources …. It sounds like they’re coming forward with the employment equity program, but what are we doing today to address these low numbers?

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Minister of Human Resources

Presently the Affirmative Action Program gives priority to qualified aboriginal employees. So they apply for a job, and they get priority if they meet the requirements of the position. I think it’s also important to point out that when the Affirmative Action Policy was first introduced, it was accompanied by training money under the Public Service Career Training Program, which allowed the government to train aboriginal people and others to aspire to positions. That program disappeared. In order to improve the performance of the Affirmative Action Policy, we have to find a way to provide additional training to accompany it.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

In addition to aboriginal people being passed over for promotions, I also think and have heard from folks who get educated and get trained, and then when it comes time to apply for positions with the GNWT, they get the back turned on them. These are home-grown aboriginal employees or potential employees.

I’d like to ask the Minister: it doesn’t sound like we’re doing anything today, but are we not doing some succession planning when it comes to our aboriginal employees in this government? Is there any that’s underway today?

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Question 292-16(2) Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Minister of Human Resources

This is certainly an issue for our government. All of the senior managers, as a criterion in assessing their performance, are directed to work in helping develop aboriginal people towards achieving senior management positions within the government. I think our problem is our pool of people. Not everybody wants to work for the Government of the Northwest Territories. There are a lot of options for aboriginal people who have the qualifications. Those are the issues that we have to deal with.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. Final

supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Minister for that. It seems to me that we used to do a fair bit of management training opportunities and mentoring aboriginal employees so that they could make that transition from a rank-and-file employee into senior management. What’s happened to the management training opportunities that were out there? I just don’t see them anymore.

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Minister of Human Resources

We still have those programs. Some of them have been reduced, but we still have the management employment program, where we bring 15 to 20 people into the pool and work very closely with those people so that they can aspire to higher positions within the government. That program is still in existence.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. The

honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 293-16(2) Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I talked about training opportunities for youth. In the Minister’s statement today he talked about the same issue. So I’m glad to see we’re both on the same page on this.

I’d like to direct my questions today to the Minister of ECE . I’d like to ask the Minister if the department works with the aboriginal governments and industry in identifying potential training opportunities for youth across the NWT.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. The

honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker.

Certainly we are working with the communities, aboriginal organizations and aboriginal governments. Our departments are also working in the regions. They do offer a wide variety of programs at the community level, at the regional level and also at the headquarter level. They provide services that relate to career development, apprenticeship, employment preparation and training, which the Member has alluded to. At the same time, we have worked with industries in the past, because we’re very interested in apprenticeship training.

Certainly those areas have always been a key interest of the Northwest Territories, because we do lack tradespeople in the North. We also encourage and work with students to access SFA, the Student Financial Assistance Program, so they can pursue higher education as well.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, in speaking to some of the aboriginal governments, there seem to be training opportunities offered, and then the government seems to have some training opportunities, but I think what’s missing here is a coordinated effort to make sure all the groups are on the same page so we’re not having duplication going on where it’s costing the government extra money.

I’d like to ask the Minister if industry is required to let the government know what they’ve got coming in the way of training opportunities and potential training opportunities and identifying potential employees?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, we do have people in trades that do monitor and also work with industry if there are employment opportunities. Certainly we need to be a partner in that, whether it be the trades or on-the-job training or even community-based training. We do have Trades on

Wheels now in Inuvik, and they’ll certainly be fully utilized.

Also, not only do we as the GNWT and the community level help, but also the federal government does offer assistance through the HRDA program, and with that, there are various career-focused skills links, summer work experience and youth awareness.

So we do work with the federal government closely, the communities, the regions and also the First Nations government at the community level. We do what we can as the GNWT to work with them and the same with the industries as well.

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Question 293-16(2) Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I thank the Minister for that. The Trades on Wheels I think is going to have some positive impact, but I think the point here is we have to insist to industry that we want these people trained, not just say we’re going to do it and then we’ll leave it up to you.

I’d like to ask the Minister if industry has ever offered money to ECE to run training programs through Aurora College.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, there has been some interest and also some true partnership funding through industry. Most of it was training in the community, in the region. Some industries were getting ready for their operations during the construction phase. They wanted to have qualified, trained people. So we have partnered in that area, and whether it be the oil and gas sector or the new mines that may be coming up, I’m sure they’ll probably go through the same process.

As the GNWT, we’ll be very interested in that area, where there is involvement of individuals from the community. That’s one of our goals. Certainly we need to highlight that to industries that are exploring or even during the construction phases in our backyard per se. So we’ll monitor those areas.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. Final

supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I asked that because I know for a fact that there was some money offered for training though one of the exploration companies up in Beaufort-Delta. My understanding is it wasn't taken advantage of.

I'd like to ask the Minister if Aurora College has the capacity to offer courses that are more likely going to be funded by industry. They just need someone to administer and deliver the course. Do they have the capacity to do that?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, I do believe that we do have the capacity. If we don't, we certainly are always looking for partnerships –– partnerships with the U of A or Calgary-based and so forth –– with Saskatchewan. The prime example

would be the teacher degree program, and also the nursing degree program.

So we are open to any opportunities that come to our doorstep. We, as the department, would like to jump on that. Even better, if they provide funding through the delivery of a training program, then by all means, we are open for that. If Aurora College doesn't have the capacity, then I'm sure they will jump on the opportunity to build the capacity. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. The

honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 294-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to follow up on the questions posed by my colleague Mrs. Groenewegen in regard to the Territorial Women's Correctional Centre.

I believe we heard the Minister state that there are 12 inmates in Fort Smith, but I wonder if the Minister could confirm that that's correct and advise how many women inmates we are responsible for in total within the Territories and in southern placements.

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Question 294-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 294-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker.

When I gave the number 12, that was from April 2008. We are in June now, so I'm sure the number has changed.

I don't have the number with me right now, but I can provide that number to the Member, and also detailed information on the southern placements: how many exactly we have in the south. I can certainly provide that information as well.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I appreciate the answer from the Minister, and I would be happy to receive that information as soon as possible.

I'll ask the question anyway. I'm going to have to assume that he wouldn't have that detail here, as well, but can he advise the cost that we incur on an annual basis to house inmates in the south?

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

There again I can provide more detailed information, but I can use North Slave Correctional as an example, since I do have the previous numbers on that. It is based on the housing of inmates. I believe it was $186 a day, based on the inmates at the corrections centre.

It could be different in this area, but I can certainly provide more detailed information to the Member on that.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I would appreciate receiving that information.

In regard to the need for a new facility –– assuming that we will have a new facility with a capacity for 18 and assuming that that's what’s required and again looking at the amount of money that it costs us to house people in the south and the amount of money that it's going to cost us for a new facility –– I'd like to know from the Minister why there seems to be such resistance on the part of the Minister and the department to delay the project for one year.

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, that was one of the proposals that we brought forward. There again, it's a 1960 building. I think what it comes down to is the minimal security that we have. We want to bring back those inmates from the south. I think that if we can house them in Fort Smith in the Women's Correctional Centre, that's part of the reason why we propose this new facility.

The facility is based on $320,000 for planning and another $6 million for the particular building. So that was part of the proposal: trying to invite those inmates back from the south, to be back home.

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Question 294-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. Final

supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 294-16(2) Proposed Women’s Correctional Centre In Fort Smith

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't differ; I don't disagree with the Minister that we want to bring our inmates back to the North and house them in the North, but given that there's been a deletion to the budget of this amount of money and that $186 a day is a lot of money — but still it's not $6 million –– I have difficulty in understanding why the Minister still seems to feel that this project should go ahead at this time. If he could give me that explanation.

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, one of the reasons, again, is that we have these inmates in RCMP cells as opposed to in a facility that we should have. At the same time, we send these inmates down south as opposed to having them in the North. That's part of the reason why we propose to have a facility in Fort Smith for women's correction. So instead of sending the inmates down south, we want to have them here in the North.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. The

honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 295-16(2) Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to follow up on questions that my colleague from Kam Lake was asking the Minister of Human Resources on affirmative action.

In the Minister's response he indicated that the Public Service Career Training Program had disappeared. It was a program that was being utilized to help aboriginal people with technical skills but who lacked education transition into employment at officer- and management-level jobs. The program, the PSCTP, had an 84 per cent success rate and was graduating 30-plus aboriginal people a year into meaningful jobs in the public service. It’s gone, because in 1996 the budget cuts resulted in the elimination of the program. So we took a program that worked and eliminated it, and now we've been stagnant at 31 per cent.

Given that the program is successful, I'd like the Minister responsible for Human Resources to commit to conducting a review of the program that did exist and possibly re-implementing it in order to ensure that we have a tool that is there and available for aboriginal people in the North who have technical skills but lack education to transition into officer-level and management-level jobs in the Government of the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Abernethy. The

honourable Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 295-16(2) Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Minister of Human Resources

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Certainly we'd be very interested in getting the details of that program again, especially since it was a very successful program.

I think the government moved to training more people directly through Aurora College and so on, whereby people went into post-secondary education and were able to go into jobs directly with the Government of the Northwest Territories. I think it would be timely to look at the Public Service Career Training Program again.

Also, some other federal programs that were there have disappeared, as well, like the Northern Careers Program that was there. It's no longer around, but certainly I'd be prepared to look at that Public Service Career Training Program.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

That's good to hear. I think the program is a very good program, and it was very successful in its day. Given that you've committed to looking at it, I was wondering if I could get a further commitment to get a timeline from you as to when you might be able to conduct a review of the Public Service Career Training Program, with recommendations to possibly re-implement it.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Our first step is to go back and find a copy of that program and find out what aspects of it worked. Then we would have to review it in line with the way we're organized as a government with regard to human resources and with how we would work with the departments in view of the fact that delegated authority for staffing is really the

departments’. I would expect it would take at least four to five months to get to that point.

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Question 295-16(2) Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

In another part of the Minister’s response to the Member for Kam Lake the Minister talked about the Management Assignment Program. I was under the impression that the Management Assignment Program had actually stalled and that there hadn’t been an intake for at least a year or two. Can you just give me a quick update on the Management Assignment Program? Is it still up and running, or has it stalled out and died as well?

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Minister of Human Resources

As far as I know, there had been three intakes into the Management Assignment Program. I’ll have to check and see whether we’ve gone out for another round of intakes this year. There were some issues with the Management Assignment Program in the fact that there were some questions. There was a feeling that it should be more regionally balanced, that there should be also more proportional representation with aboriginal people. Those are some of the issues. I know that the program money is still there. There was some reduction to the program money, but as far as I know, the program is still in existence. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. Final

supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to thank the Minister for that. I’m wondering if I can get the Minister to commit to providing the Members on this side of the House a

summary and detailed breakdown of the Management Assignment Program: how many people are in it, by year; when the last intake was; and the budget that is allocated toward that program.

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Minister of Human Resources

Mr. Speaker, I would be pleased to do that.

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Question 295-16(2) Aboriginal Employment In GNWT Senior Management Positions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 296-16(2) RCMP Public Complaints Process

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice . It has to do with a bylaw officer and the RCMP and pepper spray and a graduating class in Fort McPherson.

Mr. Speaker, I received several phone calls this weekend in regard to an incident that occurred in Fort McPherson. The constituents were concerned in regard to the complaint process. Where do they go with their complaints in regard to filing complaints but, more importantly, investigating these types of incidents? Is there an open,

transparent process where the public, through an RCMP complaints commission, are looking at a review through the justice system? I did have an opportunity to meet with the Minister this morning on this matter. I’d like to ask if the Minister had an opportunity to look into exactly what processes are available to residents of Fort McPherson so that they can take a closer look at this situation, so it doesn’t happen again.

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Question 296-16(2) RCMP Public Complaints Process

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Krutko. The

honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Lafferty .

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