Budget, Health and Social Services — 28 April 1999 (13th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 397–430)
1999-04-28, 13th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 397–430
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of April 28th, 1999
This is page numbers 397 - 430 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was chairman .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
National Day Of Mourning
Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Joint Nwtam/maca Municipal Finance Review
Annual Fire Loss Report - 1998
Bellanca Development's Initiative To Provide Exercise Equipment
Youth Employer Award Presented To Javaroma
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Value-added Resource Sector
Support Provided To Down Payment Assistance Plan Applicants
Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Thelon Game Sanctuary Management Plan
Meeting With Great Slave Lake Forest Products
Material For Consideration By Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Government Position On Giant Mine
Cost Of Strategic Review Initiatives
Support For New Home Owners
Reconstruction Of Highway 3
Pupil/teacher Ratio
Absence From The House
Dynamics Of A Small Sized Legislature
Tabled Document 34-13(7): Government Of The Northwest Territories, Office Of The Fire Marshal, 1998 Annual Report
Tabled Document 35-13(7): Terms Of Reference - Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Tabled Document 31-13(7) To Committee Of The Whole
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Coordination Of Efforts Between The Department Of Ece And The Languages Commissioner (la)
Clarification Of The Languages Commissioner's Mandate (la)
Support For The Bc Lawsuit Against Tobacco Companies (h&ss)
Committee Motion: 21-13(7): Assistance For The Cost Of Smoking Cessation Products (h&ss)
Committee Motion: 22-13(7): Departmental Coordination To Develop Common Computer Systems And Platforms (h&ss)
Committee Motion: 23-13(7): Cooperation Between Social Envelope Department (h&ss)
Labour Market Supplement For Nurses
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Extended Adjournment
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .
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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 397
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .
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Minister's Statement 48-13(7): National Day Of Mourning
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 397
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today the flags in front of the Assembly are at half-mast in recognition of the National Day of Mourning for workers killed or injured on the job. Despite ongoing efforts by employers and employees to ensure safe workplaces, there are hundreds of people injured at work every year. In many years, we also lose territorial residents to workplace accidents. At noon today, the Northern Territories Federation of Labour held their annual ceremony to recognize those Northwest Territories workers who have died or been injured or disabled on the job. The ceremony was held at the Miners' Monument and was well attended.
Mr. Speaker, this day reminds us of the need to continue our efforts in the area of occupational health and safety and the important work that we are doing in prevention, with employers, employees and youth. I would ask each Member to take a moment to remember the employees who have been the victims of workplace accidents and disease and to remember the families who must also live with the result of these accidents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 48-13(7): National Day Of Mourning
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 397
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Ministers' statements. Mr. Roland
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Minister's Statement 49-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 397
Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to announce the establishment of a Minister's Forum on Health and Social Services. There has always been a high degree of public interest in health and social services issues in the Northwest Territories. This is understandable. All of us come into contact with the health and social services system at some point in our lives. The quality of health care and support services, especially at the community level, has a significant impact on individuals, families and communities.
There have been several reviews and studies of health and social services issues over the past several years. In 1992, the Legislative Assembly initiated the Special Committee on Health and Social Services. One of the primary recommendations from the special committee was for the GNWT to consolidate the Department of Health and the Department of Social Services. The main purpose of the consolidation was to improve services to clients by eliminating overlap and duplication, and by integrating program and service delivery. In June, 1994, the Departments of Social Services and Health were amalgamated.
Over the next two years, regional health boards added social services functions to their mandates.
In 1995, the department undertook a comprehensive review of its programs and services with the Community Wellness Initiative. This initiative involved aboriginal organizations and over 50 non-governmental organizations and women's groups. The directions outlined in the Community Wellness Directions document provided a foundation for the integration of health and social services at the community and regional levels.
In 1996 and 1997, in response to continuing challenges within the system, the department consulted again with the public, boards, professional groups and non-governmental organizations. Health and social services boards also undertook extensive consultations in their respective communities. The department also commissioned the Med-Emerg Group to conduct a comprehensive review of the health and social services system. As a result of these consultations and the information gathered from the Med-Emerg report, the Department of Health and Social Services released "Shaping Our Future: A Strategic Plan for Health and Wellness" in June, 1998.
Mr. Speaker, as I have just outlined, the department has been under almost continuous review since its establishment in 1994. One might question why another review is needed at this time. I believe a Minister's Forum on Health and Social Services is needed, for a number of reasons. First and foremost, I want to make sure that our health and social service system continues to offer high-quality services to people in all of our communities, not only today, but also in the future.
I am concerned about sustainability. Since assuming this portfolio, I have been briefed by my department on a number of key cost-drivers, which are escalating the costs of the system at an alarming rate. These cost-drivers threaten the future sustainability of our system, and we must address them. Some of these cost-drivers include:
- a severe shortage of nurses and social workers - particularly at the community level;
- increased national and international competition for physicians and nurses; - increased costs of operating the system;
- increased incidence of preventable illnesses and conditions; and
- growing public expectations for more services, better services, faster access and more choices.
I want to emphasize that this Minister's forum is not a fishing expedition to generate a wish list of new programs and services. In light of the government's fiscal situation, we cannot expect major increases in funding for health and social services in next year's budget. We all need to understand this at the outset. What we can do is share information with the public about the current state of our system, and discuss how we can sustain and improve the system in the future.
I will ask the Minister's forum to focus on the directions in the strategic plan related to sustaining and improving the system. These are: governance, human resources, financial sustainability and program and service delivery.
Mr. Speaker, health and social services are expensive, especially in the north and they cost more each year. We need a system we can continue to afford; one which makes use of our relatively small economies of scale. We need to maximize service levels and eliminate unnecessary administration and overhead. We also have to review program and service delivery. Many health and social problems, and costly demands on the system, could be avoided or greatly reduced. Mr. Speaker, it is often said that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
The forum will provide information to the public on current health trends in the Northwest Territories, and, I hope, generate discussion on more effective ways to support healthy lifestyles, prevention and health promotion.
The Minister's forum will consult with the general public, boards, professional associations and non-governmental organizations. I will be calling for nominations of individuals with past experience in the health and social services system, either as a frontline worker, in a governance role, or as an advocate. The Minister's forum will represent a broad cross-section of the NWT population: north to south, east to west. Ideally, I would like to see a balance of both professionals and lay people on the forum.
I hope to appoint forum members within the next three weeks. Community consultations will be held as soon as possible. At least one community meeting will be held in every constituency across the Northwest Territories.
A Health and Social Services Conference will be held in the fall. Delegates from across the NWT will be invited to meet with forum members, representatives of the professional organizations and the boards, to hear the results of the community meetings and discuss the findings. Following the fall meeting, the forum will finalize its recommendations. Mr. Speaker, depending on the date of the next election, the results of the Minister's forum will either be tabled in this House or provided to the next Legislative Assembly. I hope that MLAs will be able to attend the meetings in their constituency and I look for their support in promoting the work of the forum. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
--Applause
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Minister's Statement 49-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 398
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Steen .
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Minister's Statement 50-13(7): Joint Nwtam/maca Municipal Finance Review
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 398
Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide an update on the Municipal Finance Review. Members will recall that the discussion paper developed for this review were tabled in this Assembly last month. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is committed to continuing this review in partnership with the NWT Association of Municipalities. The annual general meeting of the NWT Association of Municipalities was held in Cambridge Bay last March. Delegates there supported continued efforts on this review.
There has been much hard work put into this review over the past two years and everyone who has participated is to be commended on their efforts. This partnership has worked well to date and we plan to continue to work together through consultations on the proposals.
This government is committed to building stronger communities. One of the essentials for building stronger communities is that financial resources be made available to community governments. Communities have concerns about the fairness of our department's current funding. They want greater flexibility in how funds can be used as well as new financial arrangements with fewer controls. The proposals in the Municipal Finance Review discussion papers give us an opportunity to redesign the financial structure between the communities and MACA so that community governments can achieve greater authority, flexibility and accountability.
The same discussion papers tabled with the Assembly have now been distributed to community governments, aboriginal organizations, and other interested groups. Over the next four months the department, with the NWT Association of Municipalities, will consult these groups to seek their input on the proposals and to hear their comments. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to carry on the work of my predecessor in this important area and will seriously consider recommendations of the Municipal Finance Review Steering Committee, based on community consultations held this spring and summer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 50-13(7): Joint Nwtam/maca Municipal Finance Review
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 399
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Ministers' statements. Mr. Steen .
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Minister's Statement 51-13(7): Annual Fire Loss Report - 1998
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 399
Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this time to discuss the Annual Fire Loss Report for the Northwest Territories for 1998. The north continues to experience significant losses as a result of fire. Tragically, in 1998, a five-year-old boy died in a fire. Last year, fire losses in the NWT were worth $14.5 million dollars. This was largely due to the loss of the Kilinik High School in Cambridge Bay. The fire losses in the Northwest Territories for 1998 are still high in comparison with the Canadian average.
Mr. Speaker, the Office of the Fire Marshal has been working with stakeholders to improve fire prevention and firefighting. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has developed a fire protection strategy that will give direction to the future of fire protection in the territories. The commitment of local communities to support the initiatives of the Fire Marshal is critical to the success of the strategy. Through this support, we will be able to limit the damage caused by fire or prevent fires from occurring. Mr.
Speaker, I am confident that with the support of my colleagues and local governments, we will see fire protection in the Northwest Territories improve and reduce our losses due to fire. Mr. Speaker, later today at the appropriate time, I will table the Office of the Fire Marshal 1998 Annual Report. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
--Applause
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Minister's Statement 51-13(7): Annual Fire Loss Report - 1998
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 399
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .
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Member's Statement 137-13(7): Bellanca Development's Initiative To Provide Exercise Equipment
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 399
Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about a new initiative in Yellowknife. I believe it is important to recognize businesses that contribute to better health in our community and last session I had indicated that Sutherland's drugstore had quit selling tobacco in their drugstore.
Today I wish to speak about Bellanca Developments, who have provided exercise equipment downstairs in the Scotia Centre to the tenants of their four buildings, namely the Precambrian Building, Scotia Centre, Bellanca Building and the Northwestel Building. Mr. Speaker, this area where the exercise equipment is, is where the YWCA was formerly housed and it moved last year. Obviously the tenants are sad to see the YWCA go, but Bellanca Developments conducted a survey to see if the tenants would use this available space if exercise equipment was provided.
The reply was yes, so there has been equipment put into this area, namely three new treadmills as well as four bicycles. The intention, of course, is not to compete with local fitness facilities, but to provide a service to their tenants. The tenants can access this area from 7:30 in the morning to 9:00 pm and tenants provide a $25 deposit for an access card fee which is refundable when the tenant turns in their card. This has been in use since March 15th and already well over 100 people have signed up.
Mr. Speaker, studies in the south indicate that a lot of businesses do this now and it allows workers to relieve stress, so it turns out healthier workers and, in fact, better productivity to those businesses. The businesses and agencies in those four buildings, I would think would like to heartily thank Bellanca Developments and I am sure the Members here join me in applauding them in this new venture. Thank you.
--Applause
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Member's Statement 137-13(7): Bellanca Development's Initiative To Provide Exercise Equipment
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 399
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .
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Member's Statement 138-13(7): Youth Employer Award Presented To Javaroma
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 399
Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Small and medium-sized businesses are one of the fastest-growing sectors in our economy. They bring investment and employment into our communities. Many small businesses also provide our youth with part-time employment and valuable job experience. The National Conference Board of Canada has recently chosen Javaroma, a coffee and snack-bar service, with the honour of being the NWT's top employer of youth. The awards are sponsored by the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Forum of Labour Market Ministers.
This is a significant achievement for Brendan and Adrian Bell, owners of Javaroma in Yellowknife. They are in Toronto this week to accept their award and to share some of the knowledge and experience they have acquired in their youth hiring program. Along with other winners they will also be taking
part in a Winner's Circle forum, a panel discussion at the 10th annual Reaching for Success Conference. Their award also gives significant recognition to our youth.
Clearly our young people are interested, capable and committed to building their job skills when given the opportunity. Javaroma has provided such opportunity. They in turn are grateful for the support provided by the GNWT/ECE Working Together program; an initiative aimed at providing job opportunities for students and youth. We need more of these sorts of initiatives that encourage government and business to work together for the benefit of our young people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
--Applause
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Member's Statement 138-13(7): Youth Employer Award Presented To Javaroma
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 399
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 400
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Ms. Pat Thomas returning to the House today. Mr. Miltenberger can rest assured it means nothing to the questions that will be coming from this side of the House. Thank you.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 400
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Welcome to the Assembly. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .
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Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 400
Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was interested in the Minister's announcement today on the Minister's Forum on Health and Social Services so I have several questions for the Minister in this regard. I wonder if the Minister could tell us, in light of the Minister's Forum on Education Report where there were difficulties now encountered to implement a number of the crucial recommendations, if the Minister could tell us is he restricting the forum, the panel that he will appoint, to making recommendations in the area that do not involve money expenditures? Thank you.
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Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 400
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Mr. Speaker, the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .
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Return To Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 400
Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The forum that I spoke about earlier in my statement is going to go out and look at the existing services and how we provide them. In the terms of reference that I will table later on there is no mention of how it is restricted, but it will be focused in how it goes about its work. I will be meeting with forum members that are selected before they go out on their community consultations. As I stated earlier to a number of questions in this House, this forum is going to be focused on how we can improve our system and looking at the existing sustainability concerns that I also raised.
We need to make sure we can provide for services in the Northwest Territories that are sustainable. The message they will have with them when they go out to the communities and do their workshops will be focused as to what we can do within the existing confines we find ourselves in now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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David Krutko
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .
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Supplementary To Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does that mean that the board will also look at the possibility of eliminating some programs if they are unaffordable for this government?
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Supplementary To Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 400
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Mr. Minister.
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Further Return To Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the forum members go out through the territories and hear the concern that there needs to be reprofiling of dollars in different program areas, that is something we will look at to see, if it means a reduction in service to what degree, that will all be looked at by the forum as they make their final report. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 400
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .
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Supplementary To Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the Minister's statement he stated that currently there are nine health and social services boards in the NWT. In light of the recent announcement of Nunavut that they are looking at the elimination of health and social services boards, obviously for financial reasons, perhaps there are more reasons, but could the Minister tell us here in the territories will that also be under consideration, the possibility of the elimination of health boards?
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Supplementary To Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 400
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Mr. Minister.
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Question 141-13(7): Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would not want, before the forum even gets started, to establish that it would go out and start looking at reduction of services. Mr. Speaker, the Nunavut government has announced indeed that they are looking at consolidating their health boards, but as I stated in an interview with CBC, their situation is quite different from our situation. One of the things, as I stated in my statement, we will be looking at our governance structures and again, looking at affordability and sustainability of the systems we carry on with today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am somewhat concerned about the cost factor that this may take. We have done the Med-Emerg Report to the tune of $750,000 and jokingly referred to as a doorstop and several other reports that need to be, of course, taken into consideration. Could the Minister tell us if he has a budget allocation for the Minister's forum?
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Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Mr. Minister.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There has not been a budget laid out, so to speak, but we definitely will come under the Med-Emerge Report that was done and I would like to notify the Member that, in fact, the Med-Emerge Report
was used in the strategic plan that was developed and put forward by the department, not as a doorstop. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 142-13(7): Value-added Resource Sector
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . The cornerstone of this government's political agenda is to get the most out of the resources that we harvest in the Northwest Territories and have value-added products produced from those resources that we harvest in the Northwest Territories, for example, diamonds, the value-added was the polishing and cutting. This government pushed very hard for that, Mr. Speaker. Is this still the cornerstone of this government's political agenda, resources harvested in the Northwest Territories that we get value-added product from ? Thank you.
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The Deputy Speaker
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Thank you, Mr. Morin . Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is our intention wherever there is resource development to maximize the economic returns and benefits to our communities and our businesses. Where there are potential value-added activities, yes, as a government we try to maximize the realization of those. Thank you.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Presently, it is my understanding, there is a review being done of Great Slave Lake Forest Products which the Minister is responsible for. It is now late April, the first of May comes along fairly quickly and the normal season of logging and sawing, the slaver of a sawmill will be firing up in very early May to start sawing the logs that are in the yard, the resource that was harvested, to maximize the benefits from that resource.
At present they do have a plan that was put forward to the Development Corporation and, in order for any part of that plan to be in place, they would have to start actioning it soon. So my question to the Minister is, how soon will they start actioning the plan and sawing the logs in Fort Resolution? Thank you.
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Thank you Mr. Morin . Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the department, and also through the Development Corporation, we had initiated discussions with Chief Don Balsillie in March to address the situation with the sawmill in Fort Resolution, Great Slave Forest Products, to see if there was some way in which we could work together to ensure the operation becomes increasingly efficient and viable under the present circumstances.
One of the difficulties we are having is making sure the financial information we have is accurate and, once that is done, the Development Corporation president will work with Great Slave Lake Forest Products and the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and the community of Fort Resolution to take some action to ensure the operation in Fort Resolution can continue in some form or other that is acceptable to the Development Corporation and to the community as well. Thank you.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is good that Great Slave Lake Forest Products as well as the NWT Development Corporation are working on a plan with the community. That is good news, but the problem that we have is in the milling operation, and the logging operation and producing lumber in the Northwest Territories is something similar to building a house, Mr. Speaker. We have so many days of warm weather in the Northwest Territories, south of the lake, and we have so many days of warm sun in order to air-dry that lumber. It takes time to do that, so it is not as simple as sawing it and selling it.
You have to air-dry it before you plane it. All of that stuff takes time, and the days that you lose at the beginning of your sawing season, you never gain them back at the end, because then it is fall and it rains constantly. So how long is this review going to take to get finalized if the numbers are correct, and when will we have the get-together in Fort Resolution to address this issue? There is a time restraint here, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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The Deputy Speaker
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Thank you, Mr. Morin . I heard two questions, you used up your supplementary. Mr. Minister.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We had a meeting this morning, myself, the Deputy Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , the new president of the NWT Development Corporation. We know there is urgency to come up with a business plan for the NWT Development Corporation as well as a need to respond quickly to the business plan that was tabled by Mr. Morin the other day. I have asked them to work quickly to address that and come up with some plan with the community that would ensure the ongoing viability of the sawmill and to look at different options on how that could be done.
It is clear to all of us that the level of funding that was available in previous years is simply no longer there. There is a real need on our part to make sure all subsidiaries are treated the same way, and given the same level of support. We will work to achieve that. There are concerns with the auditor general that need to be addressed. We will be looking at ways in which we can make sure the operation of the Development Corporation is done in a way that assures the public, this government and the communities that we are doing everything we can to operate in line with legislation, in line with
acceptable accounting practices and with sound business practices and policies in place.
An operational audit, as I said, was requested by the Financial Management Board in February and we are now looking at doing a full comprehensive audit, and are requesting that to be done on the NWT Development Corporation and each subsidiary, looking at the value-for-dollar component of it by asking the Auditor General of Canada to do a comprehensive audit of the Development Corporation. Thank you.
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Question 143-13(7): Support Provided To Down Payment Assistance Plan Applicants
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. Mr. Speaker, under the Expanded Down Payment Assistance Program, the Housing Corporation can end up with considerable equity in a home. I believe that could be as high as 70 percent of the cost of the home. My question is what measures are taken when assisting a potential home owner in ensuring they are investing in a sound structure that will meet the client's needs? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the area of the Expanded Down Payment Assistance Plan, the Member is correct, it can range from as low as 5 percent to as high as 70 percent, but I believe it is a cap at 70 percent. I would have to get that information. As to the process, there is a lengthy process involved with the clients that would come forward in filling out their applications and understanding the process.
We do give the Down Payment assistance to those that qualify and come through with an actual purchase, but the mortgage that is held, is held by the bank, so, under most approvals, the banks would have the first right for things that would happen if anything were to go wrong in the application for those that had received assistance. The Housing Corporation has, through the EDAP, found itself that this process has been quite successful and we have not had to deal with many individuals when it comes to their mortgages failing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was specifically looking for what kind of assistance the Corporation would provide to, for example, in the case of a first-time home buyer, where I am referring specifically to issues of structural integrity, those types of issues that the average person might not be aware of. Thank you Mr. Speaker.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Housing Corporation will assist the individual who would come forward in going over the application, in reviewing the finances and collecting that information. The department itself, I am not aware that the department or the Corporation staff go out and actually inspect the buildings to be purchased. That is considered to be a process that the buyer should be going through, to be looking at the structural integrity of the building being purchased. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister saying that even giving the potential investment in equity which the Housing Corporation would hold in this property, by way of assistance, they would not have their staff inspect homes that they were approving for purchase? Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have to get more accurate information, I would not want to mislead the Member in giving her an inaccurate answer. I am aware that the staff of the Corporation would become involved, for example, if someone was putting in for a home improvement program, something of that nature where they would go in to look and assess what would need to be done to repair the house.
As for purchasing a home, the first-time home owner, due diligence as it is called, the majority of that would be left up to the potential home owner or the buyer, but I will endeavour to get back to the Member to make sure I have not forgotten anything or to what degree the staff would become involved, besides looking at the financial areas. One of the concerns would be if, in fact, someone was purchasing a house that was very old and quite expensive, those things might trigger another process taking place, but for your average sale of a home, I am not too sure as to how deeply the staff would get involved.
I will get that information and get back to the Member. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the unfortunate event that a client does purchase a home and that deficiencies are overlooked by either an appraiser or by CMHC or by the failure of any staff from the Corporation to look at the house, if that were to be the case, is
there any further support that housing could then provide to that client if it becomes evident that there are serious structural deficiencies in a home that they have purchased and it, in fact, will not be meeting their needs and could put them under tremendous financial stress? Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member brought up an important area as well when individuals would go through the Corporation and go to the banks for the other portion of their financing, CMHC would be involved, and they do also have a process of looking at the a type of building that a potential purchaser is looking at. I am aware that there are other programs that home owners can access through the Housing Corporation for looking at repairing of facilities.
As I said earlier, one of the things I will do as well as adding to the information I have already committed to getting for the Member, is to see if, in fact, when a home owner has accessed the Housing Corporation programs, what degree of access can they get on other programs. I will look into that as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland . I would like to follow up on some questions that were asked by my honourable colleague, Mr. Ootes , this morning. When questioned about the cost of the forum that the Minister is proposing, there are a couple of other costs that I would like to get identified if I can, Mr. Speaker. Does the Minster have the costs that this government incurs in having health boards in place across the territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The majority of funding through the department is contributions to the health boards throughout the territory. If we are fortunate enough, we will be going through the budget this afternoon, and I would be able to provide that specific information to the Member at that time. Right now I cannot give the Member a specific amount unless I do a little bit of research here. But I know that a majority of our funding provided through appropriation of this in this House is contributions to the health boards throughout the territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe this is your first day in the chair, and I would like to congratulate you in being elected to that. You will be missed down here. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Honourable Member, Mr. Roland , is, and I would like to congratulate the Minister at certainly listening well to what Members of this House have been saying for quite a few months and what the public of the Northwest Territories have been saying in regard to health in their communities and indeed, as I said, the Minister has identified those things within his statement today.
He was talking about some of the cost-drivers, and the first one, which I believe everyone agrees, is there is a shortage of nurses. I am wondering, we do not have the budget figure that the Minister is proposing on the forum. But was there any consideration given to using funds that will be spent on the Minister's forum to alleviating the problems that are already identified in most communities in the Northwest Territories, a shortage of medical staff? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Sorry, Mr. Henry . That is a new question. You were asking a question about the cost of health boards, now this is a new question altogether. Will you rephrase your question?
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what I was trying to get at was monies that are being spent on this forum, has the Minister given any consideration to using the funds that will be spent on this forum to provide nurses in communities or medical staff in communities?
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David Krutko
Again, Mr. Henry , I will rule that question out of order. Your original question was based on what is the cost of running health boards. This is a whole new area that you are venturing into so the question is out of order. Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .
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Question 145-13(7): Thelon Game Sanctuary Management Plan
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . My questions today are in relation to the Thelon Game Sanctuary Management Plan. Mr. Speaker, I have been contacted by a constituent who is quite concerned by the proposed plan. This person runs a non-consumptive tourism business in that he provides services to tourists who wish to photograph wildlife and the environment, that type of thing, in a pristine situation such as the sanctuary.
The cause for concern is that apparently there will be hunting allowed in the sanctuary as well as some of the travel restrictions that are going to be put into place. Could the Minister indicate what type of hunting will be allowed in the game sanctuary if this game sanctuary management plan is put into place according to the way it is currently spelled out? Thank you.
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The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are concerns by people about this proposed management plan. Some of it is around the issue of traditionally there has been absolutely no hunting or harvesting of wildlife allowed in the Thelon Game Sanctuary. Recently, I believe, the Wildlife Management Board for Nunavut has proposed a new management plan which would allow for aboriginal people to hunt for subsistence hunting in that area and that is contrary to what some people, business people and others, feel is acceptable for the area. This has led to the concerns being expressed. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Mr. Speaker, I am assuming that the Minister or the management plan, in allowing this type of hunting, is responding to treaty and aboriginal rights to hunt and that this is the reason this is going to be allowed. Could the Minister indicate if this is the case? Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the Member is correct in the assumption he is making that it is difficult to suggest that aboriginal people who have lived here for thousands of years should have their most basic rights, that is the right to harvest the wildlife over their traditional lands, curtailed unilaterally by any government. I believe that is what happened in the case of the Thelon Game Sanctuary and now that the Nunavut Wildlife Board jurisdiction is in place, they have moved, in their view, to reconcile that. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I had indicated, the inquiries that were made of me were from a tourist operation who deals with tourists that wish to photograph wildlife. Obviously, there is concern that the wildlife would become skittish if there is too much hunting. Could the Minister indicate if there would be totally unrestricted hunting by the aboriginal hunters? Thank you.
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Mr. Minister.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not certain I can confirm that, but I do know that in the case of the Inuit as well as the Dene, they have hunted and harvested wildlife here for thousands of years and have done so in a way that respected the wildlife, and there was some management regime in place to ensure that the wildlife was never over-harvested. I believe that the Nunavut Wildlife Board is moving to ensure that they manage with the harvesters, with public interest groups, and the private sector to manage that particular area in the interest of everyone. I believe that they put their management plan forward believing that is what they have done in the best way possible. Thank you.
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Final supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that information. Finally, the outfitter in question is also concerned that there seem to be some very limiting restrictions on the amount of flights that can go into the sanctuary. It seems as though you can only fly in, drop somebody off, and come back and pick them up a couple of weeks later, quite some time later. Could the Minister indicate whether this is actually true, or would a person be able to fly in and fly out the same day with his...wait around, fly in, drop off his guest, come back later, and pick them up, that sort of thing? Thank you.
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The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would take that question as notice I am no longer able to provide any more details to the Member on this plan. Thank you.
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Thank you Mr. Minister. Oral questions. Mr. Morin .
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Question 146-13(7): Meeting With Great Slave Lake Forest Products
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . As everyone knows, this House is set to adjourn on Friday. I know that the Premier has a very busy schedule. I know also that he has things set up for the beginning of next week, but if the Premier has any days available at all next week, I have a letter from the Great Slave Lake Forest Products, the advisory committee in Fort Resolution that is comprised of the First Nations, the Metis Council, the Deninoo Community Council.
Two people from each of these community governments sit on an advisory committee on the Great Slave Lake Forest Products as well as two workers from the mill sit on this committee and advise Great Slave Lake Forest Products how to run the sawmill. They would like a meeting with the Premier , as well as the Deputy Minister, Joe Handley, and possibly the president of the NWT Development Corporation. You can even bring my good friend, Mr. Steve Kakfwi, with you, if you do not mind.
If you can come down to Fort Resolution and meet with the people of Fort Resolution no later than the end of the next week, it is very important that we have a meeting so that we can start working together to solve the problems of Great Slave Lake Forest Products and hopefully Fort Resolution can go to work in the sawmill soon. Thank you.
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The Premier . Mr. Antoine .
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister responsible for the NWT Development Corporation and the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development is working very hard with his staff in trying to get a handle on the situation in Fort Resolution and the Great Slave Lake Forestry. I welcome the invitation to go there. As you know next week, there is a three day chiefs meeting, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Perhaps if we get the information together, the last day of next week there might be an opportunity to go there for the day.
We will see how things evolve here in the next few days in the work that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi is doing and once we get the information we will be able to go there and meet with the people. Thank you.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have the request that was put in to the Premier . He should have received it today, it will be in your reading books, from the Great Slave Lake Advisory Committee. Also, if the Premier could let me know by the end of the week because it is very important when we have such honoured guests in our community, like yourself and the Minister, that we prepare properly ahead of time. A lot of people are out on the land at this time of the year and we would like them to have the opportunity to attend those meetings as well. Thank you.
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I will notify the honourable Member by the end of the week. Thank you.
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Question 147-13(7): Material For Consideration By Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have some further questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services , regarding his statement today on the creation of the Minister's Forum on Health and Social Services. In the report the Minister states some reasons for establishing a Minister's forum and one of which is the concern of sustainability. He outlines some of the cost-drivers that lead to the sustainability problem. He refers to a severe shortage of nurses and social workers, increased competition for physicians and nurses and increased costs of operating the system.
Additionally he speaks about, that the forum will focus on directions of the strategic plan, such as governance, human resources, financial sustainability and program and service delivery. My question for the Minister is, has the Minister had his department prepare reports in each of these areas that I just referred to, such as, the cost-drivers and in the area of the focus, such as governance, human resources, financial sustainability and program and service delivery. Thank you.
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The Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Roland .
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in preparation for the Minister's forum, the department has on an ongoing basis, monitored the concerns that I raised in the cost-drivers area, as well as a number of other areas. Part of the process, when the forum members go into the communities, there will be one member of the staff that will go to provide information on the ongoing statistics as they are today in those areas of cost-drivers. There will be information provided and the department on an ongoing basis monitors the cost of delivery and services.
The drivers that increase the burden on our budget for delivery of service. Information is available and will be used when the forum members go out to the communities. Thank you.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that information, but that was not the area that I was concerned with. I am more concerned with, has the Minister had his department prepare briefing papers in each of those areas so that the Minister is fully aware of the concerns that are there. In other words, is the Minister satisfied that his officials have done adequate work and prepared enough reports to identify the problems facing the department?
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since taking over the responsibility for the Department of Health and Social Services, it has been very demanding on the time, both from a staff point of view and my own, to try and get up to speed on all of the areas and with all the changes that have happened since the 13th Assembly, as I stated in my Minister's statement, the number of areas that the department has dealt with in ongoing change. The department has provided me with what I believe is much-needed information and I feel that I have adequate information to deal with the concerns that were raised.
For example, the department is always listening to the concerns that were raised. One of the big concerns that we have heard over a number of times is incidents in communities where nurses felt their ability to carry out their duties was affected severely. We have heard, in the Delta this year, the concerns that were there and the department feels we must address these as we are heading in the Northwest Territories as
we know it now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
There is certainly an understanding from my point that the Minister has a very difficult portfolio and one with a lot of challenges. There is no question about that, I think, by any of the Members here just to address his comments. But the area that I am concerned about is just the area the Minister referred to in his latter part of his comments. There has been identification of problems out there.
What I am concerned about is, is the Minister creating this forum to rationalize the decisions that need to be made and in other words, is he asking the forum to make these decisions for him, rather than him sitting here saying yes, these are the problems and this is what we can do about it. We are going out to the public again, saying, okay, tell us what all the problems are, but how many of those do we already know about? Really, the decisions need to be made by Ministers. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree that the Minister is the final point of the decision. But as we have heard in this House, since we have come together as the 13th Assembly, how we are being an open and transparent government and working with the people of the territories. No longer is there the day where, in this Assembly alone, decisions are made without the input of the people. Mr. Speaker, I agree fully once the decision is made, it will be made from my level.
But at this point, I feel that it is necessary to go out to the public and in the areas that we have heard over a number of months to a year and the concerns of health and social services and the delivery of programs, that we inform the residents of this territory of the extreme pressures that we face and the staff face at their level.
As well, the cost factors involved with delivery of services in the territories and help them understand as well as the department, to understand from a bottom-up approach where the concerns lie and where we can make adjustments within our system to better deliver the programs of health and social services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .
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Supplementary To Question 147-13(7): Material For Consideration By Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Question 147-13(7): Material For Consideration By Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not think there has been a lack of consulting across the territory. We have had a number of areas where people have been consulted over the last several years. A strategic plan was developed from that. I do not disagree with the Minister that it is vitally important to consult people, but when we already know that we have problems, in certain areas, is the Minister not in agreement with me, that we should be making those decisions and implementing some changes? Thank you.
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Supplementary To Question 147-13(7): Material For Consideration By Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Mr. Roland .
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Supplementary To Question 147-13(7): Material For Consideration By Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Question 147-13(7): Material For Consideration By Minister's Forum On Health And Social Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The area as I feel it is my responsibility is, that the information that the department has and, has received and heard the concerns throughout the territory, is enough to cause me to say we need to go out there. There are other concerns I am sure that we have not heard and have not been brought up in this forum. For example, if we are going to implement the strategic plan as it comes through the previous reports, then we need to fully bring up to speed the people in the territories as to what that might take.
As well, in the day that we are in, where we have, for example, block funded the health boards and they have the responsibility to carry out the duties that we once carried out from a central headquarters department, we have changed that structure significantly since the 13th Assembly has taken power and we want to ensure that with all the change that we are first and foremost looking at the services we provide to the people in the Territories.
As I said earlier, I believe that when it is time to make the decision, we want to make the appropriate decision and inform the people of the territories. We also want to inform them of the concerns and the cost-drivers that we face in making the decisions that we do today.
I believe that once we have that information out there, people will see and understand probably a little more clearly, the pressures that we face as a department, as a government and especially those in the communities, the people who are front line, the nurses and the social service workers, when they go into their offices and request consideration for one of the programs or services that we deliver, they will be better able to understand the pressures that they are under to meet their needs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .
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Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 406
Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , in relationship to the Giant Mines. We all know that they have been in some very serious difficulties, a difficult situation that they have been going through. I believe that the GNWT's position is to have the arsenic trioxide that is stored underground, to have that cleaned up, and also to attempt to keep the mine operating. Could the Minister please indicate whether this belief that I have is true or not? Thank you.
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Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have said that we believe the mine is still viable at least on the short-term and we would like to see the private sector along with our government and the federal government, look at ways in which
we could see the possible ongoing operation of Giant Mine. As a business, we have also said that the arsenic that is stored underground is a public concern. We have assured the public that there is no danger to the public whether the mine continues operating or is closed. What we have also indicated to the federal government is that we must work together to see what ways can be found to take the arsenic that is stored underground and remove it and ensure that it is turned into a product that is harmless or marketable for use in other places. Thank you.
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .
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Supplementary To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that answer. I had questioned the Premier on this a couple of weeks ago but the Minister was at a meeting with the DIAND Minister at the time so I appreciate being able to question him. Could the Minister indicate why the government, since the mine is obviously producing more arsenic every day that it is in operation, for what reason would it want to keep the mine in operation? Thank you.
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Supplementary To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 407
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Mr. Minister.
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Further Return To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 407
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, there is still an understanding that as a stand-alone operation Giant Mine is profitable, it can make a profit and it does employ well over 200 people full-time. It is still, in our view, a viable business operation and it should be allowed to continue. We have also said that there is some urgency to the federal government addressing the issue of what to do with the hundreds of thousands of tonnes of arsenic that are presently being stored underground.
We have continued to pressure the government to come up with some suggestions as to how that could be cleaned up as well as to clarify who is responsible for the environmental liability. We do know that the federal government receives through taxes alone, somewhere in the neighbourhood of over $9 million per year. That potentially could be set aside for potential use towards the cleanup and stabilization of the arsenic trioxide. Thank you.
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Further Return To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .
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Supplementary To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very glad to see that the government is concerned about the welfare of the workers. I, too, am concerned and, in fact, what I am wondering is, we know that the mine is operating with poor equipment, outdated, and we have been told that there needs to be an infusion of cash to bring the mine up to modern-day worker safety standards. Could the Minister indicate whether this government would consider putting some money into this mine in order to modernize the mine so that safety standards are at an acceptable modern level? Thank you.
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Mr. Minister.
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Further Return To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The mine is continuing to operate, as I understand, today under the authority of the receiver that was appointed by the courts and the receiver will look at ways in which to deal with the operations at Giant Mine for instance, whether or not the private sector may pick up the property and continue to operate it. There are, I am sure, a number of possibilities that could happen and the receiver, I believe, is working on that . The federal government has announced it is interested and supportive in looking at options as well and is working with the receiver to look at the variables.
It is not our intention as a government to put money into the operation at Giant Mine at this time. Thank you.
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Further Return To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .
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Supplementary To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In addition to the arsenic that Giant Mine is storing underground, it also emits a lot of pollution in the form of sulphur dioxide and this government had drafted some legislation some time ago to control this and it has not been put into place. Would the Minister make a commitment to put some pollution controls into place so that we can at least assure the people living in Yellowknife that the pollution that is going into the air will be controlled? Thank you.
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Supplementary To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 407
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Mr. Kakfwi .
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Further Return To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 407
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is clear that the Giant Mine, if it was to start today as a new operation, would have to change their mode of operation because the roasting mode of deriving the gold from the ore would no longer be an acceptable way to operate, that is certain. Also, some of the other modes of operation, the emissions, would no longer be acceptable.
That is clear, but what we are trying to do, is to make sure that the mine is not shut down without due regard for the impact it would have not only on the city of Yellowknife, but on, for instance, the grant you receive from the federal government to operate as a government because there would be an impact on the amount of money that we receive through our formula.
There are a number of factors which compel us to look at ways in which we could support the ongoing operations, at least in the short term, while solutions to the fiscal difficulties of this government, the environmental concerns, are looked at by both governments and there are avenues looked at to see what role the private sector could play, not only making sure it continues to operate even on the short term, but also in clarifying by whom and how the environmental liability would be owned up to. Thank you.
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Further Return To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 407
The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Oral questions. Mr. Morin .
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Further Return To Question 148-13(7): Government Position On Giant Mine
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to extend question period.
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Mr. Morin is seeking unanimous consent to extend question period. Do I have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Morin , you may continue.
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Question 149-13(7): Cost Of Strategic Review Initiatives
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 408
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education . Mr. Minister, I have a request from my constituent. They would like to know how much money was spent on the Minister's Forum on Education. Thank you.
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Question 149-13(7): Cost Of Strategic Review Initiatives
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Question 149-13(7): Cost Of Strategic Review Initiatives
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the budget figure that we are looking at for the completion of the whole strategic review, including the ministerial forum, with a final document being produced at the end of June, is $350,000.
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The Deputy Speaker
David Krutko
Oral questions. Mr. Morin .
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Question 150-13(7): Support For New Home Owners
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 408
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask the Minister of the Housing Corporation to picture himself as a young couple from Fort Resolution that are just starting out in life, they have just been married for a couple years, they have lived in public housing for a couple of years, they have just had a child and they turn to the Housing Corporation. They turn to the Housing Corporation for advice and also for assistance to buy a home. They do not know a lot about carpentry, plumbing or electrical, but they do know