Debates of Oct. 7th, 2008

This is page numbers 1567 to 1592 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Assent to Bills

Point of Order

Minister’s Statement 91-16(2) Government Of The Northwest Territories Energy Priorities

Minister’s Statement 92-16(2) Fuel Pricing In Yellowknife

Minister’s Statement 93-16(2) World Breastfeeding Week October 1–7, 2008

Minister’s Statement 94-16(2) Launch Of The Support To Entrepreneurs And Economic Development Policy Program

Minister’s Statement 95-16(2) Minister Absent From The House

Diamond Jenness Secondary School

Board Reform Exercise

Lack Of Nursing Service In Wrigley

Mangilaluk School Expansion

Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

Car Seat Safety Education Program

Downstream Impacts Of Tar Sands Developments

Reorganization And Renewal Of NWT Power Corporation

Reorganization Of The Northern Economy To Address Sustainability

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

Question 431-16(2) Diamond Jenness Secondary School

Question 432-16(2) Staff Housing For Teachers In Aklavik

Question 433-16(2) Tu Beta Ts’ena “water Is Life” Documentary Film

Question 434-16(2) Board Reform Exercise

Question 435-16(2) Reorganization And Renewal Of NWT Power Corporation

Question 436-16(2) Mangilaluk School Expansion

Question 437-16(2) Reorganization Of The Northern Economy To Address Sustainability

Question 438-16(2) Car Seat Safety Education Program

Question 439-16(2) Lack Of Nursing Services In Wrigley

Question 440-16(2) Drug Coverage For Patients With Multiple Sclerosis

Question 441-16(2) Car Seat Safety Education Program

Question 442-16(2) Cabinet Strategic Initiative Committees

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Tabling of Documents

Motion 22-16(2) Extended Adjournment Of The House To October 15, 2008

Bill 19 Donation Of Food Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Minister’s Statement 80-16(2) Sessional Statement Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 10

An Act To Amend The Pharmacy Act

Bill 13

An Act To Amend The Legal Profession Act

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:32 p.m.

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Prayer.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Clerk, I understand that the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, the Hon. Anthony W.J. Whitford, is prepared to enter the Chamber to assent to bills. Would you please attend to the Commissioner.

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Assent to Bills

Assent to Bills

Tony Whitford

Commissioner Of The Northwest Territories

Pleased be seated. Monsieur le président and Members of the Legislative Assembly, as Commissioner of the Northwest Territories I am pleased to assent to the following bill:

Bill 20, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2008-2009

Merci beaucoup, merci and quyanainni.

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Assent to Bills

Assent to Bills

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Point of Order

Point of Order

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to make a point of order in relation to an answer provided by the Premier , the Hon. Floyd Roland , in response to Oral Question 428-16(2) on October 6, 2008.

Mr. Speaker, I refer to Rule 23(m), which states that a Member will be called to order if the Member “introduces any matter in debate that offends the practices and precedents of the Assembly.”

Page 30 of the unedited Hansard from October 6, 2008, reads: “I offered some opportunities for improvement from the last bit of criticism I had about strategic initiative committees. I got a response from the Chair of P&P on that. I guess that offer wasn’t good enough either.”

In his response Mr. Roland , the Premier , referred to matters pertaining to a confidential exchange of information that he had with members of the Standing Committee on Priorities and Planning. The Premier ’s reference to these matters and discussions offends the long standing convention of committee and Cabinet confidentiality, which extends to committee documents, transcripts and correspondence.

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Point of Order

Point of Order

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . I will allow a bit of debate on the point of order. If you want to speak to the point of order, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Point of Order

Point of Order

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We were having a discussion in the House yesterday about the Members’ desire to be more involved in the activities and actions of this government that are initiated by the Cabinet and by the Premier . In response to that — I suppose in an effort to defend the government’s record — the Premier made reference to an offer that was for Regular Members to participate on certain committees.

As Chair of P and P I was tasked to respond to the government, the Premier and Cabinet that we did not wish to participate on those committees. I think that particular bit of information was not in any way otherwise in the public realm. With our style of government I think it’s very important that we draw a distinction between those matters that are tabled public documents before the House and those pieces of correspondence and communication that take place in relation to our committee work and our interaction with the government through our committee work.

I do believe that the Premier erred in making reference to that. As a Member asking a question, I was not in a good position to defend the reasons that decision was made. I don’t think it should have been divulged in the way it was. I think this could lead to a blurring of the lines with respect to this type of communication, which should remain confidential.

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Point of Order

Point of Order

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . To the point of order, the Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Point of Order

Point of Order

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The response I gave in question period yesterday that the Member has chosen to raise as a point of order…. In fact, when you look at the way we do our business as the Government of the Northwest Territories, in this forum there are many times there is reference to the direction the government or myself as Premier or one of the Ministers takes. In trying to defend our positions, we have to at times reference and let the people of the Territories know more of what’s happening.

I think it’s fair debate to respond to issues raised in this House that Members make a point of or raise. Maybe I wasn’t crafty enough to not reference a letter from the Chair of P and P. I didn’t go into detail about what that was. The simple fact is there are times in this House when we make reference to ongoing discussions or try to respond to Members on issues that do come up that need, I guess, weight on both sides of the issue being raised.

In this case, Mr. Speaker, I was referencing some correspondence I had received and on that basis responded. As people see this debate, and they only do see a small part of the debate of this House, they need to see both sides of the equation. I used that as information. If I’ve offended the Member in that area, I would apologize.

The simple fact is that Members have as well at times made reference to correspondence we’ve given to them, and we haven’t stood up and said you can’t speak to that issue. The fact is that our correspondence between us, at times, is the centre of that discussion. It would be pretty hard to have any form of debate or discussion or even responses to Members if we weren’t from time to time able to respond to correspondence we did receive from Members.

I would say, Mr. Speaker, that in trying to respond to the Member, all I did was put more information out there that all Members are aware of in this House.

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Point of Order

Point of Order

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . To the point of order. Seeing there is no further debate on the point of order, I will take it under advisement and return at a later date with my ruling.

Orders of the Day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 91-16(2) Government Of The Northwest Territories Energy Priorities

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time this afternoon, as the Chair of the

Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee, I will table this government’s Energy Priorities Framework.

This document outlines the priority actions that we need to undertake to address our short and long term energy needs. Our initiatives are presented in five key action areas as set out in the 2007 NWT Energy Plan:

energy conservation and efficiency;

alternative energy and emerging technologies;

energy development and supply;

energy policy and planning; and

reducing the Government of the Northwest

Territories’ own energy use.

Heading into the winter season, NWT residents are facing higher costs for energy. The immediate and most effective response we have to addressing this challenge is to conserve and to improve the energy efficiency of our homes, businesses and public buildings.

Since the release of the NWT Energy Plan the GNWT has invested over $1 million, largely through the Arctic Energy Alliance, to ensure NWT residents have the tools and information they need to manage their energy use. We have also invested significantly in finding ways to cut our own energy costs and in putting alternative energy technologies in the hands of our residents and communities.

However, as a government, Mr. Speaker, our approach to high energy costs must be balanced between these types of short term actions and the development of long term solutions to our energy challenges. We must invest in ways to reduce our reliance on imported diesel and develop our own local energy sources.

For this reason the priorities framework that I am presenting today also outlines initiatives such as:

the development of our hydro potential;

expanding the use of biomass;

developing

wind

energy;

investigating our geothermal potential; and

pursuing the use of Northwest Territories

natural gas to heat and power our communities.

The upcoming 2009–2010 business planning process will provide all Members an opportunity to discuss the potential for significant investments in these alternative energy sources.

In the coming weeks we will be releasing two additional documents for public discussion in support of our energy priorities framework. The draft NWT hydro strategy proposes a number of actions to support the long term development of our world class hydro potential, and a discussion paper on the review of electricity regulation, generation and distribution will engage residents and communities in a broad discussion on the principles upon which our electricity system is based.

Mr. Speaker, these documents are part of the broad and coordinated approach to meet the stated priorities of the 16th Legislative Assembly:

to pursue initiatives that will reduce the cost of living and, in particular, rising energy costs;

to work proactively with residents, communities and industry on means to address and mitigate climate change; and

to advance alternative energy initiatives.

I look forward to receiving the continued input of all Members of the Legislative Assembly on these initiatives and to working together to advance our government’s important work towards a sustainable energy future for all residents of the Northwest Territories.

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Minister’s Statement 91-16(2) Government Of The Northwest Territories Energy Priorities

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister’s Statement 92-16(2) Fuel Pricing In Yellowknife

Ministers’ Statements

Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week a number of concerns and questions were raised by Members about the pricing of fuel in the Northwest Territories and the degree of competition in the Yellowknife retail fuel market.

The first step in assessing a situation should be to review the available information. The Department of Finance has compiled information on gasoline and diesel fuel prices in Yellowknife and other major cities in Canada from its own database and from outside sources. Unfortunately, these numbers are not available for heating oil.

The department conducts quarterly price surveys of Yellowknife gasoline retailers as part of its administration of the Petroleum Products Tax Act. These surveys show frequent differences in gasoline prices. In fact, every survey since 1995 has shown price variation among Yellowknife retailers.

Information published by MJ Ervin, an independent company reporting weekly fuel prices across Canada, shows that the difference between Yellowknife prices and Edmonton prices has been

shrinking over the past nine years. For the past year the difference has averaged just over 20 cents a litre.

Although transportation is a major reason for the difference, taxes, labour costs, utilities and construction costs all contribute to the difference. These numbers also show that prices in Yellowknife are much less volatile than those in other Canadian locations.

Mr. Speaker, this government is concerned about the cost of living in the North. The cost of energy, including gasoline and heating oil, is an important part of the cost of living. Government regulation of prices makes sense where there is a monopoly, as in the case of electricity, but there is no evidence of lack of competition in the case of gasoline, particularly in Yellowknife.

Later today, at the appropriate time, I will be tabling a document that summarizes this information.

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Minister’s Statement 92-16(2) Fuel Pricing In Yellowknife

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Minister’s Statement 93-16(2) World Breastfeeding Week October 1–7, 2008

Ministers’ Statements

Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Being healthy begins with having a healthy start as a baby. It is now proven beyond any doubt that babies who are breastfed have a head start on maintaining good health throughout their lives.

In the Northwest Territories we are making exceptional progress at promoting breastfeeding as a better way to nourish infants. Annually we join other countries in recognizing World Breastfeeding Week from October 1 to 7 as a way to promote a sense of well-being and to keep breastfeeding a traditional practice and socially accepted norm when it comes to feeding babies.

This year on October 11 the Department of Health and Social Services will partner with community Canadian prenatal nutrition programs, nutritionists, community workers, public health units and Moms, Boobs and Babies in Yellowknife to join the rest of the world by participating in the eighth annual Quintessence Foundation Breastfeeding Challenge.

Breastfeeding mothers will globally unite at 11 a.m. on that day. One aspect of the challenge is for a region like the Territories to be able to say it has the most babies breastfeeding at one site at one time.

In the NWT last year a total of 35 babies from Yellowknife and Fort Smith were part of the challenge. This year we hope to have ten communities registered for the challenge, with numerous mothers and babies signing up to join in.

As of September 30, six NWT communities have registered. I would like to thank the organizers for taking the time to register their communities.

Mr. Speaker, this challenge provides an opportunity to globally celebrate breastfeeding and demonstrate promotion, protection and support for breastfeeding women and their families. It recognizes breastfeeding as the gold standard in terms of nourishment. Its benefits include the lower risk of many diseases as well. Breastfeeding helps healthy brains develop.

Later this year I’d like to ask the public to look out for our NWT campaign posters and T-shirts on which are photos of well known, successful Northerners who all have one thing in common: they each were breastfed. Mr. Speaker, I will be one of them.

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Minister’s Statement 93-16(2) World Breastfeeding Week October 1–7, 2008

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 94-16(2) Launch Of The Support To Entrepreneurs And Economic Development Policy Program

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, our government’s new Support to Entrepreneurs and Economic Development Policy officially took effect on September 2, 2008. This policy, which is known as the SEED policy, was developed in response to a major review of the department’s business programs completed in 2006.

One of the key themes that emerged from our review was that GNWT business programs should provide a chance for growth, employment and self-sufficiency to a wider scope of businesses outside of the Northwest Territories’ major centres.

We heard that our programs should focus on the needs of our clients, work more effectively with banks and other partners, and incorporate a streamlined and simple approach. I can assure you today, Mr. Speaker, that the SEED policy meets all these challenges.

This program will better serve the needs of prospective businesses in smaller communities where funding contributions are often difficult to attain through normal banking channels. It allows for support in specific sectors and continues to provide support to those self-employed in the traditional economy, arts and film sectors. It also provides for economic development on an individual community level and includes support for related activities and initiatives such as arts festivals or community economic promotions.

I would like to take a moment to thank the Standing Committee on Economic Development and

Infrastructure for the guidance they have provided through our extensive review and consultation process.

Mr. Speaker, the SEED policy, which replaces the Business Development Fund and Grants to Small Business programs, reflects our Assembly’s goal to promote a diversified economy that provides all communities and regions with opportunities and choices. In particular, it responds to our stated priorities: to promote development that reduces regional and community disparities and to support the development of sustainable local economies through small business and community based sectors.

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Minister’s Statement 94-16(2) Launch Of The Support To Entrepreneurs And Economic Development Policy Program

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Minister McLeod. The Hon. Premier , Minister Roland .

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Minister’s Statement 95-16(2) Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Hon. Michael McLeod will be absent from the House today, tomorrow and Thursday to attend the Provincial and Territorial Ministers responsible for Housing meeting in Ottawa.

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Minister’s Statement 95-16(2) Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Diamond Jenness Secondary School

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe I’m going to take a page out of Mr. Menicoche ’s book and stand up every day and talk about the Diamond Jenness Secondary School, like he did about the gymnasium in Nahanni Butte until he finally got a response.

Mr. Speaker, I’ve had students talk in this House many times about the Diamond Jenness Secondary School. I’m sure Members are all too familiar with the problems that face that school.

Mr. Speaker, for the record, one more time, this is a school that is more than 35 years old, and it has had no significant upgrades done to it. It is too cold in the winter. It is too hot in the summer. It has air quality issues. It had asbestos wrap on the heating pipes, which resulted in the school having to be closed down; this kept being done.

Mr. Speaker, to this day I myself have never actually laid eyes on those air quality reports that were conducted and reported on. I would like to see those air quality reports. I would like to ask if the

Minister of Public Works will table those in the House.

Mr. Speaker, there has been way too much deferred maintenance on this building. There are issues with the foundation. It continues to get worse when it is not attended to. I don’t know what it’s going to take to get some action on this school. We’ve had Ministers down. We’ve gone on tours. We’ve pointed out all the problems. We’ve had the renovation or replacement of the school red flagged — whatever that means. I won’t be raising any white flags on this one. There’s going to be no surrender. I want something done about Diamond Jenness.

We’ve got money for all kinds of other things. The students and the educators in Hay River deserve better than what we try to educate our students in at Hay River. We already have other school students in Hay River taking up the classroom space in the boardroom of one of our local hotels. I mean, we have some serious issues. Like I said, we seem to have a lot of money for other things.

Mr. Speaker, I’m not trying to prescribe the solution. I’m not saying it’s the replacement of the school. Perhaps it is a major mechanical upgrade. That is a formula that has to be worked out and planned to be worked out by PWS. What we do have in hand is a functional review of this building that says this building is in serious need of attention.

Later today I am going to have questions for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to find out what he is going to do about the conditions that exist at the Diamond Jenness Secondary School in Hay River.

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Diamond Jenness Secondary School

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Board Reform Exercise

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

The die has been cast, Mr. Speaker, and this government seems to have set in motion the decision to implement the regional services board model as a quintessential advantage of board reform. I agree there are too many boards out there, and we should examine their mandates and strive for efficiencies where we can find them, especially during times of fiscal crisis and restraint.

What’s odd about the situation is that it’s no different from the repeated request made by me and many other Members for program review before slicing and dicing. What is interesting here, as usual, is that any decision that requires a soft glove approach becomes one of urgency and is greased through the system. I want to highlight my official concern and caution, as I can hear the Finance Minister resharpening his boning knives,

which have only recently become dull on our public service because of the lack of direction.

The intent behind consolidating health and social services, education and housing boards may not be bad in principle by itself, but when considering all of those mandates under one regional board, the problems start to surface on their own. I fear that this government has come up with an implementation model and put into motion an implementation process without costing this issue by realizing at what cost.

Can anyone provide any analysis of the costs of this change? I doubt it. Can anyone provide any analysis of the efficiency of this change? I doubt that too. The Finance Minister , as always, seems convinced of the virtues of his direction and is full of wishful thinking about the implementation of this task facing him.

I look forward to hearing about what he has identified as a proposal here in Yellowknife for three school boards, a local health authority and, of course, the Stanton Territorial Hospital. I also look forward to the engagement of our public stakeholders in an open and transparent manner about the problems we face with this approach and how they plan to solve these problems with their approach.

Mr. Speaker, I only hope that board reform or government policy isn’t mandated by either wishful thinking or any magic eight ball. I prefer community based boards that respond to community based needs on their structures. I’m concerned that people will lose faith, local control and input if everything is rolled up into a regional board.

Mr. Speaker, I suggest a caring and a modest approach, one the Finance Minister is characteristically not familiar with. I support board reform and efficiency, but don’t take the community relationship out of the factor just to save a few dollars.

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Board Reform Exercise

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Lack Of Nursing Service In Wrigley

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, one long standing issue facing the community of Wrigley has been a lack of permanent nursing and policing services. The government’s position has been that until there are police stationed in Wrigley, Health and Social Services would not station a permanent nurse there.

The situation has changed, Mr. Speaker. There is now a guarantee that there will soon be policing services in that community, and I want to thank the Minister of Justice and the Government of the Northwest Territories for that.

On the same note, I do have to say that the Department of Health and Social Services has indicated that they will not be moving forward with placing a permanent nurse in that community. The funding is available to station a nurse in the community, so why the delay in meeting and agreeing to the commitment that was previously made?

Wrigley has been without permanent nursing services for many years. Communities with residents deserve some level of assurance that they can receive essential health care when they need it.

Mr. Speaker, one of the goals we established at the beginning of this Assembly was a commitment to help foster vibrant and healthy communities and individuals. How can we possibly meet that goal if our smallest communities are denied access to locally available, basic health services?

Wrigley and other small communities in the NWT deserve better from this government. I urge the government to live up to its commitment to the people of Wrigley and station a permanent nurse in that community. Mahsi cho.

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Lack Of Nursing Service In Wrigley

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Mangilaluk School Expansion

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last year I have had the honour as the MLA of Nunakput to travel across this beautiful territory. Since then I have seen many stunning schools. Don’t get me wrong, Mr. Speaker; the students deserve these comprehensive facilities, but so do we.

In the Nunakput community of Tuktoyaktuk, atMangilaluk School, we are seriously overcrowded. Mangilaluk School desperately needs an extension to accommodate the growing needs of the community

where you have the vice-principal of

the school, the counsellor and the classroom assistants all sharing the library, where you have students having to wait for or be refused use of the library because it is being used, where you have the school supplies being stored in a sea can donated by NTCL, where you have a bathroom for both men and women, where the teachers have to eat their lunch in the hallway. This is the situation at Mangilaluk School.

This is the shame of the government. The community schools are supposed to be a focal point of the community, where activities and gatherings and, most importantly, where learning takes place, but when a school lacks even the most basic standards, the whole community suffers. That, Mr. Speaker, is wrong.

Mr. Speaker, students should be able to go to a school they enjoy and feel comfortable in. Educating is not only books and tests; it’s the building, the environment, the teachers, the community.

One of the government’s pledges was to provide good and equal education for all residents of the Northwest Territories, but when it comes to smaller communities, schools are far below large centre standards such as Yellowknife’s. I wonder when this government is going to put their money where their mouth is.

Mr. Speaker, trades and learning skills must be promoted by this government. What better way of promoting these skills than a home ec, shop or industrial technical learning expansion centre? When the Territories begin some megaprojects, we are going to need thousands of northern skilled workers.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Is this government going to wait until we have to teach geometry in the hallways and the bathrooms and staff have to eat their lunches in a donated sea can, until students and counsellors have to talk about their personal challenges in the library and not in a private space? Or is this government going to commit to the building expansion of Mangilaluk School that the community needs so badly?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I would like to talk about the elders facility in Fort Resolution. As you know, Mr. Speaker, I have raised this issue previously, and it is a very important issue for the communities.

Currently, ailing elders are sent out in the community for care and assistance. With some effort by the government and the community the

situation can be changed to allow the elders to remain in the community. This is something the community has been requesting for a long time.

Mr. Speaker, I know this facility would require some renovations to meet the special needs and codes required for such use. When elders are sent away, costs are incurred. These costs could be converted to cover the costs of upgrades and caring for and providing assistance to elders who remain in the community.

Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, there will always be cases where the elder must be sent out, but for the most part many of these elderly patients could be cared for in the facility by the community, by local workers and the families. Leaving the community means leaving the comfort zone they have been used to all their lives. Many times they are placed in a completely foreign and impersonal environment. Family and friends do not have the means to travel and visit, leaving the elders alone for extended periods of time and staying with only strangers.

Mr. Speaker, the support of family and friends plays an important role in the day to day well-being of the elders. It’s no secret that without this support, the condition of many of these elders soon gets progressively worse. Eventually their will to live is gone. Recently we had a case where an elder was moved to Yellowknife. He and his wife of 55 years were inconsolable. When they finally got to see each other, all they could do was hold each other and cry. In this day and age this cannot be the best government can do.

Mr. Speaker, I know we are in the environment of cutbacks, but some costs are necessary, and this is one such situation. As the government it is incumbent upon all of us to ensure the elderly are properly cared for in their home communities and that the dignity to live out their final days in their own environment is not taken away from them.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Beaulieu. The

honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Car Seat Safety Education Program

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since last November when my son was born, my wife and I have had to install, take out and reinstall car seats to safely transport our son. Like other parents, we read the instructions and do the best we can to install the car seat. Currently in the Northwest Territories there is nowhere a parent can go to have a car seat inspected to see if it has been recalled or properly installed.

This is a concern, because car crashes are the number one cause of death for children from birth to 14 years. In a recent report submitted to the federal Health Minister , Tony Clement, Dr. Kelly

Leitch reported that there are over 6,000 head injuries per year — a figure that she states is grossly underestimated — and that the vast majority of these are caused by car accidents. Her recommendation is that each territory and province have a site where parents or grandparents can go to ensure their children or grandchildren are transported safely in a vehicle.

Again, Mr. Speaker, today there isn’t one place, whether it is in Yellowknife, Hay River or Inuvik, where parents can go to have that seat checked for proper installation. Currently there is a proposal that has gone forward to the Department of Health and Social Services asking for some funding to bring a trainer to Yellowknife and to Inuvik to train 16 people in becoming St. John Ambulance’s car seat installation educators. The successful participants would then become educators in their home communities.

The course will also include a discussion on how to offer community based clinics and a discussion on the use of used child seats and loaner programs. The successful participants of the training will educate others on how to properly select and install child seats. The goal will not be to have them become installers but, rather, educators, to spread the knowledge as widely as possible across the territory.

Mr. Speaker, funding this project and this proposal makes sense. I’m not sure why we are continually finding excuses not to fund the training program when we know there is a gap in service. It will make the transport of our greatest resource, our children, much more safe and also provide those parents who need advice or guidance with an outlet to ensure they’re selecting the right car seat and installing it properly for their children. Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Downstream Impacts Of Tar Sands Developments

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last night I attended the world premiere of the Akaitcho Territory Dene First Nations film Tu Beta Ts’ena, which is “Water is Life.” At that film we were introduced to Terry Woolf, who did the filming, Alex Czarnecki, who was the director, and Norm Glowach, who wrote some original songs for the movie.

Also during the film, the facilitator was encouraging members of the audience to go out into the foyer after the meeting and get copies of some letters they had prepared to be distributed to the Premier of the Northwest Territories, the Premier of Alberta

and the Prime Minister of Canada. As part of my Member’s statement I would like to read from the letter they are directing to the Premier of the Northwest Territories. It goes as follows:

“Dear Premier Floyd Roland ,

“I just viewed the premiere of Tu Beta Ts’ena , “Water is Life”, a film production of the Akaitcho Territory Dene First Nation. This documentary confirms my concerns that there must be an immediate halt to new tar sands development and extensive study of the cumulative impact of current oil and gas development prior to further exploration.

“We need to know the cumulative effects to assess the impact of this industrial development on the water, land, animals and people who live downstream from the tar sands in the Northwest Territories and Northern Alberta. I am shocked to learn how little consultation there has been with people living downstream. Responsible development is a matter of justice. I urge you to protect the health, culture, environment and economy of the Northwest Territories by joining the growing call for a halt to new tar sands development and adequate study of the cumulative effects of development to date. Your constituents deserve no less.

“I look forward to hearing what you are doing to protect this important ecosystem and people who live here.”

Mr. Speaker, I imagine that many of these letters will be sent to the Premier over the next couple of days, and I encourage him and Cabinet to take them seriously.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Reorganization And Renewal Of NWT Power Corporation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are all painfully aware that we will have to swallow an increase to our power rates this winter. The Northwest Territories Power Corporation is the provider of power to most NWT communities, but it does not enable progress in the area of power generation for communities. It creates problems for us.

There is a fundamental problem with the mandate of the corporation and the regulatory regime it operates under. We’re bombarded with messages urging us to conserve energy, to do all possible to reduce consumption for the benefit of both the environment — the reduction in greenhouse gas emissions — and the consumer — less energy

used equals lower electricity costs. I agree that we should be trying to conserve for both of these reasons.

But hold on. This logic is counterproductive if our power comes from the NTPC. The more we reduce our energy consumption, the less power we use. The less power we use, the more NTPC revenues drop. The more their revenues drop, the more riders they add to our bills. When NTPC cannot generate enough revenues to meet their expenditures, they ask for a rate increase or rate riders to make up for their lost revenue. And the bottom line is that the dollar figures they put on our power bills go up.

Where in this scenario, Mr. Speaker, is the incentive for any NWT homeowner to want to reduce energy consumption? Until we change this system, we can never get ahead. Either the environment will take a beating or our residents will take a beating, and lately it seems that we as residents are taking a worse beating.

Calculation of NWT power rates must be completely revamped with a view to fairness and equity, and I am glad to hear that there is something coming forward for us to respond to. Capital costs for upgrades to power generation in one community have to be applied to all communities across the territory, not just the individual community where the infrastructure is built.

NTPC itself must be renewed and reorganized. A culture of efficiency and effectiveness must be instilled. Cost saving has to be priority number one for this company, and there are lots of possibilities where savings can be found. The corporation can eliminate management bonuses, trim administrative fat and get creative with technology and innovation, for starters.

Only after NTPC has clearly demonstrated that all avenues for cost savings have been explored can it be allowed to consider power rate increases for its users. It is the duty of the Power Corp to do all it can to minimize the impact of power generation costs on the….

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Reorganization And Renewal Of NWT Power Corporation

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Paul Delorey

Ms. Bisaro , your time for your Member’s statement has expired.

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Reorganization And Renewal Of NWT Power Corporation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Reorganization And Renewal Of NWT Power Corporation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is the duty of the Power Corporation to do all it can to minimize the impact of power generation costs on the average Joe or Jolene. I am, unfortunately, still waiting for that day.

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Paul Delorey

Thankyou, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Reorganization Of The Northern Economy To Address Sustainability

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to respond to the Minister’s statement on some of the progressive energy initiatives that this government is showing, and I want to compliment them on that. I look forward to contributing to those further and to reviewing them through our climate change committee and so on.

But, Mr. Speaker, we really need to follow these initiatives within a context, and that context is: how did we get to this situation? We have an economy, a system of government, something here that has failed us and allowed this to become a critical situation. It’s not just here; it’s around the world. To me that tells us that we not only need to restructure some energy initiatives, but we need to restructure our economy and how we do business to improve the services to our people.

For example, we need to pursue one that really is more concerned about our local economies, one that deals with our societal and environmental well-being and the opportunity for every individual to fulfill his or her potential.

We don’t want to just deal with these issues through subsidies and by shipping the cost onto government, obviously. What would a restructured economy look like? To me, we should know by now that as a basic environmental issue, we should be carbon neutral in all our development activities. This is entirely possible. I think we will be hearing more about that. We want to be increasing local self-sufficiency and skill levels. Again, there are many opportunities here. We need to see that basic needs — food, energy, shelter and so on — are provided increasingly through largely local production using regional resources.

Mr. Speaker, there are many opportunities for this sort of thing. I think that until we commit ourselves to restructuring our society and the way we pursue these initiatives, we won’t achieve our goals. We are going to be moving from crisis to crisis, as we are with our energy. Water, for example. We have a lot of serious concerns coming up. Our food and energy prices are going up. Our housing is going up. Our youth are crying out for leadership. Let’s provide it and do a comprehensive restructuring approach towards systems that actually work for our people.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Monfwi , Mr. Lafferty .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize, first of all, RCMP Deputy Commissioner Rod Knecht. Also Inspector Roger Miller of Edmonton, Chief Superintendent Tom Middleton of G Division, and the deputy minister of Justice, Bronwyn Watters. Mahsi.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize a constituent of mine from Tsiigehtchic, Roger Mazon. Roger is a well known artist in preserving a lot of our traditional art. I’d like to welcome Roger here and also spend a moment to recognize my partner in crime, Mr. Lee Selleck, in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize Chief Superintendent Tom Middleton, a friend, neighbour and constituent. Thank you very much. Welcome.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

If we’ve missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the House. We hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. It’s always nice to have an audience.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I talked about the elders facility in Fort Resolution and the need to have the department take a serious look at working with the community to maximize the use of this facility.

Today I have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell me when this facility was built?

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t have it exactly here, but I understand the building was built by the NWT Housing Corporation in, I’d say, the last ten years or so.

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, this facility was initially planned to be a centre for 24 hour elderly care. Can the Minister tell me what the initial plans were for this facility when it was first built?

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

My understanding is that the building was built by the NWT Housing Corporation to be sort of the gathering centre and to support independent units surrounding the Great Elders Facility. Historically there has been no programming determined or O&M funding provided for that facility.

Having said that, Mr. Speaker, I have been working closely with the Member to increase the services there for seniors. Recently we had an initiative to provide $22,000 to run a day program there; we have a contract with the seniors society there. As well, we have confirmed funding from Aboriginal Diabetes programming where we’ll be able to provide meals for seniors five days a week.

I understand that that’s not 24-hour care, but it is certainly a big step toward having that centre used more as a gathering centre and a support centre for the seniors in the community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I talked about the costs incurred when an elder is transferred to another community, like Hay River, Fort Smith or Yellowknife. Can the Minister tell me what the total cost to the department is for one elder to be taken out of Fort Resolution and cared for in Hay River, Fort Smith or Yellowknife?

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

The elder in question who was taken away was in need of intensive care. We did have him in the community with the family, but his needs were so high that he could not be taken care of there.

I do understand and appreciate the need for the community to keep their elders, especially in their last years. We want to be able to accommodate that as much as possible. But there are some seniors with acute needs that need to be taken care of, and those services are not available except in major centres.

My understanding in terms of 24-7 care for seniors is that in order for us to provide those services economically, we need to have at least a ten-bed facility in order to have enough of a staff makeup and to use resources wisely. The Great Elders Facility has about four bedrooms. I want to tell the Member that I am trying to see what we can do in that facility to use those units. I’m looking at all options and working with the Member on that.

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not really getting the answers I’m looking for. However, if the Minister has looked at all options, would it be possible for the Minister to tell me if they have looked at the option of what it would cost to the

department to upgrade this facility to be used for 24 hour care?

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, we would then have to add six more rooms. There are four rooms in there right now. For the YACCS dementia centre that we’re building, we’re spending $500 per unit. Second of all, in order to accommodate ten seniors, we would need at least 12 to 15 staff. That would be about $1.5 million to $2 million of O&M funding. Right now that is not what we have planned for the Great Elders Facility, but I am looking at all possibilities to see that that facility is used as an elders centre and that programming is increased there. We have already introduced two more programs in that area.

I am committed to working with the Member to see that that facility is used as much as possible to serve the needs of seniors in that community.

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Question 430-16(2) Elders Facility In Fort Resolution

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 431-16(2) Diamond Jenness Secondary School

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said in my Member’s statement today, I’m very concerned about the condition of the Diamond Jenness Secondary School and where it is in terms of this government’s priorities — a year of new school openings and some very large budgets, shall we say, to go to address the needs of educating students in other communities and other regions. Could the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment please advise what the status is of this government addressing the substandard conditions at Diamond Jenness Secondary School?

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Question 431-16(2) Diamond Jenness Secondary School

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, those are the issues that have been addressed. We did visit the community school. Thanks to MLA Groenewegen for giving us a tour, and also to the principals. That’s part of the capital projects that we will be discussing over the next few days here. There is an education plan underway as well. That is the ongoing work that is happening between our department and PWS. Those are the discussions that will be undertaken here in the House on the capital projects.

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Question 431-16(2) Diamond Jenness Secondary School

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I do thank the Minister for attending the school in Hay River with us and going on a tour of that facility. As a result of those visits, though, we were told that the Diamond Jenness Secondary School replacement or renovation had been red flagged. I understood that to mean that it had been designated as having some significant

priority in the list of capital demands that this government is dealing with.

I’d like to ask the Minister: when we were told red flagged, what did that mean?

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Question 431-16(2) Diamond Jenness Secondary School

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Those red flagged projects in the past have been targeted as one of our priorities. We have those existing projects in the communities — the schools that are being built, the schools that are being renovated or worked on. Those will be the committed projects. The red flags are other projects waiting on the list. Hay River’s Diamond Jenness School has been targeted as a priority for this government to initiate work on that part of the renovation. It will be part of the discussions that we’re going to be having on capital projects here in the next few days.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

One of the things that has precipitated some immediate action on the part of this government with respect to capital infrastructure for education has been catastrophic events like fire, flood, collapsing roofs, things like that. The only thing that has come to light in Hay River which caused the closure of the school on a temporary basis was air quality. There were air samples taken and sent down South, and it was eventually determined that the school was safe to reopen.

I’d like to ask the Minister: has he actually seen the results of those air quality tests, and would he be willing to table them in the House?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

On the air quality tests that were initiated by PWS, the report has been done. It has been shared with the Member, I do believe. Maybe I’m mistaken on that. Certainly, those reports were taken into consideration when we were going through this process as being a priority project. I personally, as the Minister, have not seen the document itself. It’s within the Department of PWS. I need to sit down with the Minister of PWS to go through the actual results and the information.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 431-16(2) Diamond Jenness Secondary School

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I could be corrected, but I believe that the Chair of the education authority had asked to see those actual reports, and I had asked too. Perhaps the education council has received them subsequently, but I have never seen them.

Again, I’d like to ask the Minister if he is confident that the school is safe and the air is safe regardless of those asbestos issues that were there. Would he be willing to confirm that for the people who use that facility by tabling those air quality reports in this House?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Certainly, I will make a commitment in this House to meet with the Minister responsible for the review, PWS. Once that is initiated, whatever I can share with the Member and the local DEA, I’ll certainly do that. At this point I need to sit down with my counterpart at PWS to discuss it further.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 432-16(2) Staff Housing For Teachers In Aklavik

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question to the Minister of Education is in regard to the housing crisis we have in Aklavik by way of staff housing. I received a letter from one of the teachers in Aklavik who was given notice that they’re being evicted from their existing residence, which was being provided through a local company.

I’d like to ask the Minister: what is the Department of Education doing to remedy the situation to find alternative accommodations for teachers in Aklavik?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, we’ve been alerted that one of the communities is having a shortage. There was notice of the closure of a building. The Member already approached me on this particular issue. I did instruct my staff to follow through on it with the local superintendent in the Beaufort-Delta. My staff is working closely with the superintendent and the local DEA to try to resolve that issue.

It is a private contractor that holds the unit, and it is due for closure next month. We’re doing what we can as a department to work with the community to find solutions. It is a development corporation arm that the units are under, so we need to work closer together on that.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, this issue is not new to this House; I have brought it up several times. This issue has been out there. Those units that are in our communities are old government staff housing units. They’re almost 40 years old. The government sold those units, and the companies that did take them on continue to retain them as staff housing. As we all know, the costs of operating and maintaining old facilities continue to escalate, and the costs of heating and providing power to these units is not being recouped.

I’d like to ask the Minister: has he looked at working with the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation

with regard to the Corporate Loan Guarantee Program to assist real estate or other companies to provide housing and be able to access this program? That could improve the cost of operations for those units so they can reduce costs and hopefully find a solution that’s agreeable to both groups — our teachers and the people providing these houses.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

That is one of the areas that we are focusing on as the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. We’re working with the Housing Minister on this particular case. As the Members would know, we are in a housing crunch in the small communities, especially the most isolated communities. Dealing with staff housing for teachers…. They’re struggling to find suitable units, and it is our concern.

We’re doing what we can to try to come up with a solution. One of the solutions, possibly, will be a loan guarantee from the NWT Housing Corporation. We are pursuing that. We are focusing on a potential pilot project in one of the communities. We’re meeting next week on this particular case to try and move forward on this item. We are going to reach out to other jurisdictions as well in the other small isolated communities. Aklavik will be one of them, and other communities as well. We’re doing what we can as a department to work closely with the Housing Corporation and the community.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, this issue has come up by way of the Beaufort leaders meeting. It has come up through motions and resolutions and meeting with the Divisional Board of Education. Again, as a government we do have to have some means of accommodating those areas in the Northwest Territories where we don’t have the private sector involved. I think if that means getting back into staff housing, I guess that’s what we’re probably going to have to do.

I’d like to ask the Minister: do you have a universal plan for looking at housing to accommodate professionals in the northern part of the Northwest Territories? That is a unique challenge in that part of the jurisdiction that we are responsible for.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, that will certainly be part of the planning process. It’s not just the ECE department; it’s also Housing and Health and Social Services — the nurses. We have a variety of professionals living in the communities. We need to form a group within Beaufort-Delta and other regions, where there’ll be Chairs to meet on this particular item, because it is a serious item that we need to deal with. It is a need in the communities, and also it’s our need to have those teachers or nurses placed in the communities.

I’m also meeting with the Chairs of the regional boards in December. That is one of the topics on

the agenda. It’s always an issue that we’re dealing with. Certainly, this will be one of the issues that we need to deal with.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the urgency of this matter I’d like to ask the Minister if he can keep me, the Divisional Board of Education and the principal of Aklavik informed on any progress that’s being made on this matter. Like I say, I am getting calls from the teachers, and they feel that they are basically having to not only deal with the stress of teaching but now have to worry about where they’re going to sleep at night.

I’d like to ask the Minister if he can speed this thing up and try to find a solution to the problem as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, we’ll certainly keep the Members posted, particularly the Member for the Aklavik area. We need to look after our teachers; we need to look after our professionals. And it’s not only us. The NWTTA has also stressed concerns over this. I’ve met with them. So there are all different parties involved in this particular case. Once we make progress, we’ll keep the Members posted on what’s happening, the progression. We’ll hopefully find a solution for this case. Next Monday is approaching already, and we need to deal with that. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 433-16(2) Tu Beta Ts’ena “water Is Life” Documentary Film

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is in follow-up to my Member’s statement with respect to the Tu Beta Ts’ena , “Water is Life” film that was premiered last night.

During my discussions with a number of people in the audience after the film, it was easy to tell that people were very passionate about this film. I think it is very important for this film to get into as many places as possible so people can get to see this film. It would be good for this government to get it into all of the schools.

So my question to the Premier is: would he commit to purchasing copies of the film from the Akaitcho Territory Dene First Nations and getting that film into every one of the schools in the Northwest Territories so that our youth can see that film?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 433-16(2) Tu Beta Ts’ena “water Is Life” Documentary Film

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’d be prepared to try and see what we can do to get this information out to all the students in the Northwest Territories. We ourselves are undertaking a number of initiatives to get on top of the water situation, more so than we have in the past, through partnerships with provinces in western Canada as well as re-energizing the Mackenzie River Basin Board that was put into place a number of years ago. So we’d look at opportunities along with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to see what we can do in this area.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

That kind of sounded like a yes. That’s good. Just so you know, the film is $30 a copy, so it shouldn’t cost us too much to get enough copies for all of our schools. And since we’re talking about schools in the Northwest Territories, I think it might also be good to ensure that we get a copy of that film into every high school that falls within the Mackenzie River water basin. I think we’re going to need as much help as we can get, and we might as well get some of the youth of Alberta helping us fight the tar sands.

I’d like to see if the Premier would be willing to commit to getting enough copies so that we can get them into the high schools that fall within the Mackenzie River water basin outside the Northwest Territories as well.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, first things first. We need to get our house in order, and we’re doing that. Again, I’m glad to know that the price of the movie is $30. We can work with the appropriate departments to try and make sure that we get this information and the movie out to as many students in our schools as we can. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 434-16(2) Board Reform Exercise

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions will be to the Minister who’s responsible for the Strategic Initiative Committee on Refocusing Government, and that will be Minister Michael Miltenberger .

Mr. Speaker, referring back to my Member’s statement, of course, I’d like to know what this Minister has done to examine the costs of rolling up most of these boards into a regional services model. If he has an idea of what that costs, will he make it public?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 434-16(2) Board Reform Exercise

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member is aware, we’ve been doing extensive work on this particular subject since we were formed as a government. I intend to come forward in this session with a major statement on that issue, and I’ll be prepared to put that information before this House at that time.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, has the Minister done any work or examined the efficiency of what this roll-up will mean to most boards and regional service models as well?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I ask the forbearance and patience of the Member. When I come forward with this statement before the House, I will lay all that information out, as well as other areas that the refocusing committee has been working on, like the program review.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

What work has been done to examine the relationship of aboriginal governments and their regions so that when we take self-government models and overlap them with these regional boards’ jurisdictions…? What work is being done to examine that type of relationship and the problems that this will cause if we proceed with a regional based board model?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I appreciate the Member’s enthusiasm for getting ahead of the parade, but I’ll just once again ask him to have patience. I’ll be coming forward with a Minister’s statement that will speak to those issues. Then we can engage in any number of questions that the Member may have.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, when this Minister’s statement that seems to answer all questions comes forward, will it also talk about when public consultation will happen and how that will involve the public, as opposed to how these taxes have not involved Members as effectively as possible and have only involved certain members of the public, that kind of discussion? Will it have that detail?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the statement I’ll bring forward will lay out the work done to date, what we see as the work yet to be done, a timeline for doing that type of work and rolling out the implementation with target dates set in there.

In regard to the taxes the Member was apprised of what was going on. There has been a significant mail-out across the Northwest Territories. We’ve consulted with a multitude of organizations. We’ve had a two day round table, and we’re still soliciting support until the middle of next week. We look forward to bringing forward a very comprehensive

piece of work that lays out the results of all that effort. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 435-16(2) Reorganization And Renewal Of NWT Power Corporation

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corp. I spoke in my statement about the need for the Power Corp to exercise judgment and cost savings in everything that they do. I’d like to ask the Minister what cost saving measures are in place for this fiscal year to minimize the impact of corporation expenditures on electricity rates for poor little consumers like us. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation , Mr. Roland .

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Question 435-16(2) Reorganization And Renewal Of NWT Power Corporation

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Through the Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee, the Power Corporation, along with myself and a number of other Ministers, is looking at a number of initiatives that can help with individuals here in the Northwest Territories. We’re bringing that paper forward to Members for consideration. Within the Power Corporation itself we have to, as would be done any time we go before the PUB for a general rate application for rate riders, prove up the numbers, as they say. So there are a number of initiatives that are undertaken.

I’ll commit to get more details for the Member on just purely what the Power Corporation has been doing, and I’ll try to get that information as soon as I can.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I thank the Minister for the response. I have to take exception to his statement to prove up the numbers. I think that if you go to the right person, they can make numbers say whatever you want them to say, whether it’s for or against. That’s no slight on accountants, by the way.

I’d like to further ask the Minister what reporting or monitoring mechanisms exist for the Minister’s use or for the department’s use to ensure that the corporation is exhausting all possibilities for cost savings.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, my direct role with the Power Corporation is more with the board and the chairperson in discussing initiatives that come forward, concerns that are raised. For example, I had an opportunity to meet with the board in Norman Wells and inform them of the concerns that would be raised by Members and by

people of the Northwest Territories when this winter arrives. After a general rate application is approved and the notice of rate riders is out there, as the Power Corporation and as Minister responsible, we send the message. We have to look at the way we do our operations. We can’t leave any stone unturned in trying to find ways of mitigating the impact on individuals in the Northwest Territories.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I appreciate that the Minister is working through the board, but that leads me to my next question. I appreciate that the Minister has advised the board how Members feel, how residents of the Territories feel, that we’re having a hard time with these increases in the cost of our electricity.

I’d like to know from the Minister, if he’s working through the board, what monitoring or what sorts of reporting mechanisms exist so that he feels secure in the knowledge that the board is exhausting all possibilities to save costs.

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Question 435-16(2) Reorganization And Renewal Of NWT Power Corporation

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, because of the direct relationship with the Chair of the NWT Power Corporation board and the fact that we are the sole shareholder, any information that is being put forward when there are incidents of outages and so on include quite a number of things that I get updated on regularly as we progress forward.

The other initiative ongoing, long term, for example, is the hydro development that we’re looking at doing. As highlighted by Minister Bob McLeod earlier, there are a number of initiatives we’re jointly working on in trying to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels in the Northwest Territories. A long term picture would be expanding hydro development in the Northwest Territories. Again, we realize we’re going to have to look outside the box, I would say, of how we’ve operated in the past, try to find new ways of stabilizing costs and find partners out there that would help us in delivery of that power in the Northwest Territories.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for his answer. I appreciate the long term vision and the steps that are being taken for the long term, but my concern is more on a day to day basis and the fact that the corporation is probably not operating as efficiently as I believe it should — well, I don’t believe it is.

My last question to the Minister is to ask him what steps he’s taking to revise or eliminate the bonus system for the NTPC management.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, in fact, I did raise the issue of bonuses with the chair of the NWT Power Corporation board and was informed that they did a review, had an external review of

their system, and they were putting together a package. I haven’t seen anything beyond that.

Again I would express our concerns from the Legislative Assembly that the bonus system or the merit system that’s out there needs to withstand public scrutiny. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 436-16(2) Mangilaluk School Expansion

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I have questions for the Minister of Education regarding the overcrowding of students and staff at Mangilaluk School.

Can the Minister commit to visiting my community of Tuktoyaktuk to see this firsthand after session? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I will commit in this House to visit the school in the Member’s riding and other schools as well. That’s one of the commitments that I’ve made. I need to visit all schools, if it’s at all possible during the life of this Assembly, just to see for ourselves what the students and the staff and the resource people and the parents are going through. That’s the commitment I’ve made. Sometime after session we can make arrangements and a time to meet.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Minister. You almost answered my second question. I was going to invite you to a community meeting in the community of Tuk to meet with the residents and talk about the situation at Mangilaluk School.

Just to have it clear and on the record, you’re going to be coming to the community of Tuk first, and then we’ll go out to visit all the other communities.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, we make those arrangements every time we meet with the communities, whether it be the schools or other departments if they come along. We meet with certain resource people. We do initiate a public forum, as well, and community meetings, leadership meetings. So, certainly, those we’ll take into consideration when we visit the community. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Would the Minister be willing to work with me and my community to make this a priority?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, certainly, there are issues we need to deal with in all

communities. This is one of the areas I would like revisit and meet with Mr. Jacobson on and identify areas of concern and issues, whether it be the school or the community, and have more discussion at the community level, as well, when we are meeting with parents or the leadership and vice versa. I need to listen to some solutions as well, so that is why we are here: to work with the Members. I certainly will commit to working with the Members on this matter. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Minister Lafferty . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr.Bromley.

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Question 437-16(2) Reorganization Of The Northern Economy To Address Sustainability

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier today. I want to follow up in a larger context on some of the line of questioning of my colleague Ms. Bisaro .

I appreciate the Premier ’s idea of needing to think outside the box as far as the NTPC. In the larger context of things — and context is everything, you know — we are facing a global water crisis, climate change; the rate of species loss is accelerating; the devastation of marine foods is well documented; and so on. Now we’re facing an economic crisis, increasing fuel costs, et cetera.

Does the Premier agree that today is a good day to reconsider how we do business and to make fundamental changes to improve and restructure our systems so they perform much better?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, as the Member has put it so well, it is hard to disagree with a statement or a question that’s…. We want the system to work better. We agree as we look at the global environment and the economy that there is a need for change. We have to look at that ourselves, as the Government of Northwest Territories, in our approach. The issue will be: how can we start that shift happening? I think we’re starting to do some of that.

For example, in the upcoming business plans we are going to be looking from the energy side trying to expand the way we deliver energy in the Northwest Territories. I would say it would be hard to disagree with what the Member is saying. It’s a matter of how we turn that corner: the implementation side of changing the way we do business.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Premier ’s rigour in looking for ways to disagree and not finding any there. Given our increasing reliance upon imported everything — i.e., our increasing

subscription to the global economy and the increasing volatility of the global systems and so on — does the Premier agree that this major shift in the Northwest Territories to improve our ability to be self-sufficient and insulated from those things should really take the triple bottom line approach and strengthen our self-sufficiency using local resources to develop our local economies?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I can see now where the Member is going. The fact is that we do have to look at our own economies at the community level. We have heard quite a number of times in this Assembly about the need for sustainable development in our smaller communities and looking at what type of business we can get into.

One of the things we do have to look at…. I think we can go right back to the history of the Northwest Territories. There used to be gardens in just about every one of our communities that provided food and the basic necessities for a lot of the families and some of our own…. Well, not our own at the time; the federal system that was in place. So things of that nature. The need and the necessity is something we are going to have to look at again across the Northwest Territories, especially with the high cost of living here in the North.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Premier for those comments. I appreciate his agreement that there are some real needs there, and this is one way to do that. I am interested in some specifics.

We’re losing our young entrepreneurs; we’re going more to the big box stores and so on. Somehow they seem to become portrayed as northern businesses. It’s really the fundamental, systemic things that need to change. We need to have honour systems and so on for our elders. We need to really start to realize that traditional knowledge has real and practical value as well as to use modern technology. I am interested in what specific things we can do. This government is trying to change the ways that we can change in really fundamental and meaningful ways rather than debating the minor things that don’t really get us anything.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I think the fact that some of our debate in this House is about having the proper consultation, and the approach we use, and the change we need to see here in the Northwest Territories…. An example of some of that change is that earlier today Minister Bob McLeod announced the SEED policy, the program coming into effect helping small businesses in our communities.

It’s that type of approach that we see happening, yet we realize we still have some traditional economies out there that we need to continue to

support, like the trapping program and trying to get back into, for example, the Take a Kid Trapping program that Minister McLeod’s department is part of. So, Mr. Speaker, we are taking some steps, and we do have some concrete examples.

More importantly, as we go towards the next business planning cycle, if Members have specific initiatives they would like to see incorporated into our business plans, it would be that approach where we can start to implement that. Again, that takes the will of the House. Some of them can be fairly different approaches, but I think it would be wise of us to start looking at those types of approaches.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . A final short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you for those comments, Premier . I wonder if it might be a good time in our talk about devolution and so on…. You know, I can’t say that I have really been a great admirer of the federal success at managin