Debates of Nov. 2nd, 2006

This is page numbers 667 - 696 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Shaping Our Future And Action Plan 2006-2010

Akaitcho Dene First Nations And GNWT Reach Agreement

Minister Absent From The House

Custody And Access Of Children

Support For Victims Of Sexual Abuse

Treatment For Tuberculosis In The Northwest Territories

Integrated Model Of Health Services

Misdiagnoses By Nurses In Small Communities

The Environment And Climate Change

Problems At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Youth Crime In The Northwest Territories

Recognition Of Veterans And Birthday Wishes For His Father James Villeneuve

Return Of Foster Children To Families At Risk

Further Return To Oral Question 221-15(5): Regulatory Authority For The Enforcement Of Air Quality Standards

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Proposed Shared Parenting Legislation

Return Of Foster Children To Families At Risk

Recruitment And Retention Of Health Care Workers

Treatment For Tuberculosis In The Northwest Territories

Shaping Our Future: 2006-2010 Strategic Action Plan For Health And Wellness

Shared Parenting Legislation

Support For Victims Of Sexual Abuse

Consultations For Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Act

Seniors' Facility In The Sahtu Region

Government Legal Counsel Direction In Sexual Abuse Case

School Construction In Fort Good Hope

Protocol Regarding Job Performance Of Deputy Minister

Methods Used In Caribou Count

Written Question 35-15(5): Two-rate Zone Structure

Written Question 36-15(5): Constitutional Discussion With People Of The Nwt

Written Question 37-15(5): GNWT Medical Health Travel Assistance Program

Return To Written Question 27-15(5): Out-of-country Medical Care

Tabled Document 73-15(5): Shaping Our Future: 2006-2010 Updated Strategic Plan For Health And Wellness In The Nwt

Tabled Document 74-15(5): NWT Health And Social Services Action Plan 2006-2010

Tabled Document 75-15(5): Business Development Fund Annual Report/recipients Report

Tabled Document 76-15(5): Elder Corrections Wilderness Camp Pilot Project - Spring 2006

Tabled Document 77-15(5): Report On Official Languages

Tabled Document 78-15(5): NWT Power Corporation Annual Report

Tabled Document 79-15(5): Petition Regarding The Lockout At The Nats'ejee K'eh Treatment Centre

Tabled Document 80-15(5): Report On The Victim/witness Support Service Of A Multiple Child Sexual Abuse Court Trial In Inuvik, Northwest Territories, August 1998

Tabled Document 81-15(5): Office Of The NWT Languages Commissioner, Annual Report 2005-2006

Health Care Professionals

Health Care Professionals

Dissolution Of The 15th Legislative Assembly

Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 7, 2007

Appointment Of Chief Electoral Officer

Appointments To Standing Committees And The Board Of Management

Bill 13: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2006-2007

Assent To Bills

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Hon. Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Hon. Kevin Menicoche , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Please be seated. Good afternoon, colleagues. Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 55-15(5): Shaping Our Future And Action Plan 2006-2010

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, later today I will table two important publications "Shaping our Future 2006-2010" and the supporting document "Northwest Territories Health and Social Services Action Plan 2006-2010."

The document "Shaping our Future 2006-2010" is a strategic plan that addresses the influences on and challenges of our system, and provides goals and strategic directions for NWT health care. The strategic plan is based on the integrated services delivery model, a model for delivery of health care services including mental health and addictions, diagnostic services, rehabilitation services, protection services, continuing care and promotion and prevention.

The strategic plan is intended to provide a focal point for developing a shared commitment to providing people of the NWT with the best possible health care and social services. Its strategies help us to improve the health of NWT residents by encouraging them to make healthy personal choices.

The document "Action Plan 2006-2010" provides information and timelines on the initiatives that arise from the strategic plan and supports the goals and strategic directions laid out in that plan.

A significant part of the strategic plan is the Healthy Choices Framework. This is a collaborative and coordinated approach to health promotion. Examples of initiatives that assist us in preventing unhealthy behaviours include NWT Tobacco Strategy, Healthy Eating and Active Living Strategy and Sexually Transmitted Infection Strategy.

In addition to the public health initiatives noted above, we are working to expand the use of licensed practical nurses, nurse practitioners and midwives to address workload issues and improve client care.

We are recruiting new rehabilitation teams to offer expertise in speech and language therapy, audiology and physiotherapy and to help reduce wait times for rehabilitation services. These rehabilitation teams will be stationed in the South Slave region, Beaufort-Delta region,

Yellowknife and the Stanton Territorial Hospital. They will be travelling on a regular basis to communities within their catchment area.

Mr. Speaker, "Shaping our Future 2006-2010" and "Action Plan 2006-2010" provide the direction to ensure health care needs for NWT residents are being met. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 55-15(5): Shaping Our Future And Action Plan 2006-2010

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Ministers' statements. Honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 56-15(5): Akaitcho Dene First Nations And GNWT Reach Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform the Members of this Assembly that we have reached an agreement with the Akaitcho Dene First Nations that clears the way...

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...for the GNWT to resume its participation in the Akaitcho process negotiations.

The interim land withdrawal will protect identified lands from being sold, leased or otherwise disposed of while negotiations are underway. This means that no new interests can be created on the withdrawn lands for a period of five years or until an Akaitcho final agreement is reached, whichever comes first. It also ensures that any existing interests on these lands are protected during the period of the withdrawal. The principles and process for these land withdrawal negotiations were laid out in the Interim Land Withdrawal Protocol.

Mr. Speaker, interim land withdrawal is an important step in a series of complex negotiations that must take place in order to reach an Akaitcho final agreement.

The interim land withdrawal creates positive benefits for the City of Yellowknife as the agreement we have reached will remove the legal uncertainty around the development of municipal lands within the city of Yellowknife, thereby allowing the city to better manage development pressures by ensuring access to the remaining Commissioner's lands within its municipal boundaries. The city was kept advised of progress during our discussions with the Akaitcho leading up to this agreement and they received a

full briefing this morning on the details of the interim land withdrawal.

I believe the agreement we have announced today through a negotiated settlement is a positive signal of the willingness of the parties to find solutions to difficult and complex issues. I am optimistic that this will serve us well as all parties continue the important work of reaching an agreement-in-principle at the Akaitcho process negotiations. I ask all Members to join Minister McLeod , the Akaitcho chiefs and me in a brief celebration in the Great Hall later this afternoon to commemorate this agreement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 56-15(5): Akaitcho Dene First Nations And GNWT Reach Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Ministers' statements. Honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 57-15(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable David Krutko will be absent from the House today to attend the workers' compensation conference in Vancouver, B.C. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 57-15(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Before we go on, Members, I would like to draw your attention to the visitors' gallery. There are a couple of former Members in the gallery; Mr. Steve Nitah and Mr. Robert Sayine are with us today.

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Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Custody And Access Of Children

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to add my thoughts on the issue of custody and access to children by divorced and separated parents. As you are well aware, Mr. Speaker, under Canadian law, in all matters dealing with children, the key question the court asks always is what is in the best interest of children. In all cases dealing with custody and access of children, the court will consider all circumstances of children's lives including the circumstances of the parents.

In all cases, the court looks to give as much access to children to both parents no matter who ends up with the day-to-day care and custody of the children. Because the court believes, as we all do, that it's in the best interest of children to have the support and nurture of both parents.

But we all know, and the court realizes this too, that this is not always the case, or possible, due to the specific circumstances of a case, whether it be because of the location where the parents reside or their life circumstances. In cases of older children, their own opinion and preference factor too. But the court would look at all evidence put forward by both parents before the court to make the right decisions for the children, even if the parents may not like them sometime.

On this basis, Mr. Speaker, I believe it's not supported by the evidence to suggest that the court has a bias against one parent or another. It is true that mothers are more often the one with custody of children by virtue of the fact that mothers are more often primary caregivers of their children, but this is not mandated in law. In fact, Mr. Speaker, I'm seeing more and more cases in my riding where fathers are getting the sole custody of children with access rights to mothers who move away from Yellowknife. I met three single fathers in my riding with teenage children just this summer, Mr. Speaker.

The same is true of child support payments. I was approached this summer by a mother who, since moving back to Yellowknife, is taking care of her children as much as the father, but is being asked to pay a high level of child support which has required her to have two part-time jobs on top of her government job.

Mr. Speaker, I'm also aware that in all cases the court supports and tries to honour any workable arrangements jointly agreed to by the estranged parents who set aside their differences to make it work in the best interest of children. I'm also aware that the court supports any effort at mediation between the parties and in some cases...Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Ms. Lee .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm also aware that the court supports any effort at mediation between the parties and in some cases would order the parents to enter into mediation talks, especially if it helps to lessen the trauma of the children going through the often adversarial nature of our judicial system.

Mr. Speaker, I'll be watching with a great deal of interest what this proposed shared parenting federal legislation will bring if it does come out. In the interim, I believe the focus of this Justice Minister in this government should be on increasing the resources of legal aid and mediation services for all parents who need help to get through this difficult process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Support For Victims Of Sexual Abuse

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I was called away from the House and didn't participate in the motion on the censure of our Premier and the recommendations to help survivors of sexual abuse. I've been a strong advocate of survivors of sexual abuse, especially in residential schools.

Mr. Speaker, I make my statement with great sadness and grief. I'm a victim of the residential school sexual assault. After hearing what the Premier had said, I felt a distance from the Premier . When we were going through the trial, parents, families, friends and even residents of Inuvik came to the trial and demonstrated the compassion that I did not see with Mr. Premier .

Mr. Speaker, at the residential schools, the church and the federal government and the government-hired people like Ed Horne, Martin Huston, John Comeau, George Mazynski, and Paul Leroux. Mr. Speaker, I asked the Premier to read the testament of Dr. Peter Collins, an expert in sex crimes and how pedophiles function. Mr. Speaker, the Premier will be well advised to read this and he will learn a few things about Ed Horne and others like him. What you say to my friends from the era of residential schools, Mr.

Speaker, as a token of regret and compassion the Premier should tour the Mackenzie Valley and apologize to each community who went to residential schools, perhaps requesting the bishops of the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches to accompany him.

After the Grollier Hall trials we had made a recommendation that the residential school aftermath advisor be appointed by the government-of-the-day. This was not done. As a method of keeping abreast of residence school issues, Mr. Speaker, I recommend again, on behalf of the residential school sexual abuse survivors and sexual abuse survivors across the North, to point a residential school aftermath advisor. We do not know who the Premier listens to in this office on issues like these, but we must listen to survivors and not to the advisors who live in Yellowknife. Listen to the survivors.

One of my constituents asked me what kind of man is Mr. Handley . Mr. Premier , I had to defend Mr. Handley because I'm part of this government. Mr. Speaker, we, as victims of sexual abuse, can't put our hand out to Mr. Handley like the RCMP did to us when they believed us in Grollier Hall on the sexual abuse issues. Mr. Handley 's apologies we are capable of accepting. Mr. Speaker, some of our drummers in the Sahtu are doing a prayer song for us in the Legislature here today.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Yakeleya , your time for Member's statement is expired.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I ask my colleagues for unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, some of our drummers sometimes do a prayer song for us at the Legislative Assembly here. Mr. Speaker, now the healing begins with the Premier and my people. Thank you very much.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Treatment For Tuberculosis In The Northwest Territories

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, (Translation) I want to talk about some tragedies that are happening in my community regarding health issues. In the last few months it is stated that we have a lot of TB in our region and it's especially affecting the elders in our community. In some of the small communities we don't have nurses working there, so those are my concerns. (End of translation)

In the Northwest Territories, between the years 2000 to 2004 our TB rate was four times the national rate. The Department of Health and Social Services says they are on their way to eliminating the disease. In 2001 the department committed to bringing the TB rates down to national levels by 2005. However, the department is only halfway to their target and has now pushed the deadline back to 2010, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, a few months back it was published in the newspaper that Tlicho is one of the hardest hit in the region of the Northwest Territories. The women and elderly are hit the hardest by this disease, a disease which is easily prevented.

Mr. Speaker, there needs to be professionals in small communities familiar with the treatment of TB and how it spreads. Someone needs to monitor the situation and make sure that people are taking their medications so that outbreaks do not occur, Mr. Speaker. In communities like Wekweeti they only see a public health nurse maybe once or twice a month, Mr. Speaker. Other communities like Fort Smith hire locums when they have a shortage, but this doesn't seem to be the case with Wekweeti, who has to go without proper health care, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, at this time I want to say that the health and well-being of my constituents is very important to me and I'm tired of seeing the disease take control of our people, ruining their lives and the lives of their families. In place of fantasies about roads to mines or overpriced bridges, we need to get serious and focus on the health and well-being of the people of the Northwest Territories. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Integrated Model Of Health Services

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to speak today about some health care issues in the Northwest Territories, as well. The Minister provided us with a statement here today on an integrated model of health services and it is true that we are a small jurisdiction. Realistically we cannot expect to have every service in every community. I think we need to have a minimum standard of service available and that would include nurses at least in every community. But when you get into the different sizes of communities, there are different procedures and services that are available.

Stanton Territorial Hospital plays a very integral role to that integrated service and that network of services available to residents of the Northwest Territories and certainly to residents of my community of Hay River. Hay River would like to have permanent doctors, which we don't have right now. We have one permanent position; the rest we rely completely on locums. However, understanding the government does provide the funding for five permanent resident doctors for Hay River, we appreciate that, we could use more help in identifying permanent doctors.

I think the department could be doing more, as was raised earlier in helping with the accreditation of foreign doctors, because I know there are doctors around the Northwest Territories, but we don't seem to have a process in Canada or the Northwest

Territories for accrediting these doctors who certainly are qualified to operate in their countries of origin.

Mr. Speaker, when the services at Stanton are diminished due to shortages of staff, it affects Hay River as well. It's much easier for my constituents to come here to receive specialized services than it is for them to go all the way to Edmonton. I think that we have the idea of a network. I think that we need to continue to be more creative in how we address staffing, the infrastructure, and filling the positions for the services that we have identified. I think that the plan is good, but there are shortfalls in terms of the human resources to meet those needs.

Later today I will be talking more at length about how we can find creative ways of addressing the health challenges, particularly in the area of health care professionals in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Misdiagnoses By Nurses In Small Communities

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The discussion on hiring health care professionals in our health system has been a long outstanding issue, particularly with regard to retention and recruitment. Mr. Speaker, for today my topic will relate to misdiagnosis of patients by nurses in small communities. I know that nurses do the best they can, but there's always room for improvement in how we treat patients in our communities. I'm aware of three individual cases from Tuktoyaktuk where patients complained of stomach pain and were diagnosed and told it was just a sprain or ulcer. Mr.

Speaker, in these cases all three individuals were eventually medevaced out of the community and had to have immediate surgery.

I would like to discuss one case in particular of a young 16-and-a-half-year-old individual who was vibrant and active in sports. He complained of pain in his stomach to his parents. An appointment was made at the health centre and the outcome was he probably sprained something in his stomach which would heal in time. Mr. Speaker, the pain continued for over one week and once again an appointment was made at the local health centre. Eventually the nurse in charge decided to send him to the Inuvik Regional Hospital for a check-up with a doctor.

On his arrival to the hospital, this young individual's appendix burst. This created complications during the operation and consequently the young individual ended up in the hospital for one month for recovery, let alone be medevaced to Yellowknife three times, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the parents took time off from work and flew to Inuvik to be with their son while he was recovering from the operation. Not once did a doctor give an update on their son's recovery to the parents during this time. I'd like to report today, Mr. Speaker, that this young person is slowly gaining weight and is becoming active in sports again. Mr. Speaker, if the nurses reacted sooner about the complaint, this young person would not have suffered so much. To me this was a complete misdiagnosis by the nurse in Tuktoyaktuk.

In incidents like this, Mr. Speaker, any patient that complains of pain in their body should have the opportunity to be diagnosed by a doctor. This kind of situation should not be tolerated in small communities regardless if the case may be different, and the nurses may be able to make appointments with a doctor.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I do not want to see any more patients going through what this young person or the parents went through in this ordeal. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Pokiak .

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, colleagues. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I do not want to see any more patients go through what this young person and his parents went through in this ordeal. Let's not let this happen again. Parents also need to be kept informed on what is going on with their children's medical care while they're in hospitals. Patients are human beings and they should be treated as such. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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The Environment And Climate Change

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 670

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to talk briefly once again about the environment and climate change; climate change which we know is affecting us as we look around us, as I've pointed out in this House before. As we stand here, we know that persistent organic pollutants are sifting out of the air into the land and water and concentrating in the fish and wildlife, and can be found in mothers' milk. We know that our water is being affected.

What drives climate change has been determined to be the rising temperature caused by the amount of greenhouse gases put out by mankind, and in the Northwest Territories we are on a per capita basis some of the highest discharges of greenhouse gases in the country.

Mr. Speaker, we are, in fact, contributing to the very problem that we know is having a terrible affect on the land and the water and the animals. What are we to do about this? Mr. Speaker, we are doing some things. If we do the Taltson expansion we will be cutting the greenhouse gases by the diamond mines significantly once we get the power to the mines. If we do the community energy strategies and work with the communities we will be able to help them reduce their reliance on petroleum products.

But the one area that we have to look at more closely that we know is coming, is a major project that is going to double our greenhouse gas emissions, and that is the pipeline. As we look at making sure that we have a socio-economic agreement, and that we have all these other good things in place, we also have to look at what does it mean in terms of the greenhouse gas emissions and what can we do, as a territory, to help mitigate that doubling of greenhouse gas emissions which are going to contribute

to the climate change and temperature increase, and, in turn, contribute to the problems that we are experiencing with the caribou, the water, the fish, and all the other creatures that are on this land. That ties then to ourselves as people, the health of the people.

Mr. Speaker, this is a very fundamental issue that has yet to be fully addressed. I know there are plenty of suggestions out there on how to do this. Imperial Oil had $10.5 billion third-quarter profits this year, $10.7 billion third-quarter profits last year. They are making vast amounts of money. We have to make sure in the Northwest Territories that we protect the interest of the environment as we do business with these folks; and it is strictly business, Mr. Speaker, with Imperial Oil. They are here to make money and lots of it. Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 671

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are talking business; business by them, business by us. But we are going to live here with the results of those decisions, so it is incumbent and imperative upon us to make sure that part of the costs that we calculate are the costs to protect the environment and not add further to the greenhouse gas emissions. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Problems At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 671

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today my Member's statement is going to focus on Stanton Territorial Hospital. There have been two major events affecting Stanton that have lead to the breakdown of staff morale and the building developing such a sour environment. The first decision happened when the decision was made to privatize the janitorial services back in the mid-90s and, later on, dietary and laundry services in 2000.

Mr. Speaker, this totally destroyed the close-knit, family atmosphere of that hospital. Today in these three areas there is tremendous turnover of employees, language barriers, and daily questions about quality. The GNWT should rethink this whole effort. It was all done in an attempt to save money and, Mr. Speaker, that decision has cost this government more than it could ever have imagined in terms of morale, atmosphere, and quality of services.

I would like to ask myself, how can a government be cheap when it comes to caring for its people? As if that decision to privatize wasn't bad enough, the Government of the Northwest Territories two years ago made what amounts to me to be one of the worst decisions ever made by this government, and that was the Hay Plan reclassification system where government drove a wedge firmly between many of our nurses at Stanton. This mess is still being sorted out, Mr. Speaker, to the detriment of our health care system and to the people that we serve.

This reclassification practice, as far as I can tell, is only utilized in one other venue in this country: a psychiatric hospital in Newfoundland. No other hospital treats its nurses in this manner and why do we have to accept this?

What we should be doing as a government is to help all our health care professionals pursue their own collective bargaining unit. I get tired, Mr. Speaker, of hearing why it can't happen. I want to hear how it can happen. Our teachers have their own union. Why can't our health care professionals have their own union as well? Then and only then can we say for sure that they are being dealt with fairly, and, Mr. Speaker, it opens up a world of possibilities in the area of recruitment and retention.

Mr. Speaker, Stanton Hospital is the flagship of our health care system. Why are we not focussed on fixing the human element? There's close to $28 million going into that hospital in terms of renovations in the next few years. Mr. Speaker, money alone is not the answer. We need to show our health care professionals that we care about them and that we're going to listen to them. Then and only then will things get better. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Page 671

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Youth Crime In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 671

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, firstly I'd like to commend my colleague from the Sahtu for his courage and strength of his statement.

Mr. Speaker, youth crime in the NWT is a real concern and it always has been a concern. It seems lately, Mr. Speaker, that it's getting worse. At a recent town meeting at Inuvik there were many people in attendance trying to come up with some solutions for youth crime and how we can prevent it. Mr. Speaker, one of the problems I think across the NWT is people will talk and talk and talk, but when it comes time to actually volunteer for something or try to get a program going you see some of the interest start to die.

Mr. Speaker, there's a group up in Inuvik who are having their first meeting tonight, Citizens on Patrol. They're a group of concerned citizens who want to make it their duty to go and patrol the streets of Inuvik and try to keep them as safe as possible. I commend this group. I wish them the best of luck. I encourage the people of Inuvik and across the Northwest Territories to volunteer for these type of groups.

I'm glad to see, Mr. Speaker, that the government is coming forward with a Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Act. I'm looking forward to seeing the rollout of that. I would like to see, Mr. Speaker, and I've said it before, consequences for youth crime. Whether they be made to work; made to work, not asked to work. They should be made to work for elders, anything that we can get them to do. It has to be something that's mandatory. We're too soft right now, Mr. Speaker. We give them a choice when they can show up, when they can't show up. So I'm looking forward to the rollout of this act and do what I can to assist the Justice Minister in the

rollout of this act and I'm looking forward to seeing the contents of it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Page 672

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Recognition Of Veterans And Birthday Wishes For His Father James Villeneuve

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 672

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I just want to again send out my wishes and this House's best birthday wishes to my mentor and my constituent, my top advisor and, most importantly, my father, James Villeneuve, who turns 71 years young today.

---Applause

I just want to say happy birthday, Dad. I could stand here all day and tell many stories about my dad and what he's done for his family and the people of the NWT for the past 70 years, but as I and many other people who know him can attest to, it's a lot funnier and more entertaining to hear it right from his mouth.

But on another point, Mr. Speaker, I just want to express my sincere gratitude to all the veterans in Canada, and especially the NWT, for their dedicated services in the Canadian Armed Forces to protect our basic rights of freedom of speech and mobility that we all take for granted every day. I look forward to celebrating their dedicated service to our country on Remembrance Day next week, along with many other northerners, Mr. Speaker.

I also would like to express, on the flip side, my frustration for the lack of compensation and consideration that our national government has given to our aboriginal veterans. This kind of grave injustice cannot be dismissed and I urge all Canadians to voice their dismay towards the national government's responsibility to not only be more compassionate to our aboriginal veterans, but to do what is right for all our veterans, and that is showing our unbridled gratitude toward every last one of them for as long as we can all freely stand here and express that right. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 672

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Return Of Foster Children To Families At Risk

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 672

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a constituent called the other day who is a parent and a very loving foster parent. They're very proud of the fact that they have the opportunity to provide a safe and healthy home to those children at risk. But they're personally concerned with some ongoing duty of care that does not happen when these children are returned to their birth parents. To make it very clear, they first and foremost believe the uniting process of putting families together is truly a wonderful thing.

Their concern lies only in the area of where parents in the past have had substance abuse problems and they are being returned, children are being returned to that family without any clear mandate to ensure that those parents are now drug free.

Mr. Speaker, there is no follow up drug testing on those parents who have now taken back the responsibility of their children to ensure that they are now in a true position to do this. What are we doing to ensure that these children are returning to a safe environment? Who is doing a follow up when a parent is declared that now, one month later, they are meth free? We all know that you cannot get off meth that easily.

Mr. Speaker, the concern is quite simple. The fact is they want to ensure that these children are being placed back into their healthy home with the best chance and safest chance that they can have.

Mr. Speaker, we have the moral duty, a personal commitment, to protect these children to ensure that their safety is put forth. Mr. Speaker, embarrassing a parent by asking them to stay clean is not something we should be afraid of. By demanding them to prove it is something that we should seriously consider.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, if we are wrong to demand that parents should be clean when we take their children away due to health and safety matters to protect the children, then let's be wrong, Mr. Speaker, because protecting children and being wrong in the same breath, I think that's correct. I think that's the right way. Mr. Speaker, putting the interests of these children first, making sure that they're back in a healthy environment is something we promised to do. Let's make sure we're doing it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Further Return To Oral Question 221-15(5): Regulatory Authority For The Enforcement Of Air Quality Standards

Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 672

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Braden on October 30th, 2006, regarding regulatory authority for enforcement of air quality standards.

As the Member correctly pointed out, there is no single government agency, federal or territorial, that has the overall responsibility for regulating air quality and pollutant emissions in the Northwest Territories.

The Government of the Northwest Territories regulates air quality and emissions on lands under our jurisdiction -- those being Commissioner's land -- using air quality and emission standards and guidelines adopted under the Northwest Territories Environmental Protection Act.

To provide an information baseline against which potentially impacts from community and development activities can be measured, such as the proposed Mackenzie gas project, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources also operates modern, state-of-the-art quality monitoring stations in Fort Liard, Norman

Wells, Inuvik and Yellowknife. Information obtained through this monitoring network is made available to all residents through the department's website. Finally, the department is currently developing an air quality and emissions management code for the upstream oil and gas industry in the Northwest Territories. Although we don't regulate this activity directly, it is important that the oil and gas industry be provided with direction as to what practices and measures we, the territorial government, expect them to comply with.

Mr. Speaker, with specific reference to the Member's question on the Mackenzie Valley pipeline and enforcement of air quality standards, the National Energy Board has the authority to regulate air emissions from oil and gas development projects on federal lands or those that cross provincial-territorial borders. Environment and Natural Resources has taken an active role in the current pipeline project review process. As recently as October 17, 2006, the department collaborated with Environment Canada to provide advice and recommendations on air quality and emissions management to the Joint Review Panel.

Through our written and verbal submissions, we suggested that the panel, as part of its final report, forward our advice and recommendations on air quality management to the National Energy Board. In previous oil and gas projects, air issues have been addressed through the National Energy Board regulatory process and we are confident that, with the panel's support, the National Energy Board will again fulfill its regulatory responsibility.

Mr. Speaker, it is not this government's practice, nor do we have the financial capability, to monitor and regulate air quality and pollution emissions from federally authorized industrial projects located on federal land. This remains a federal responsibility until resource management powers and resources are devolved from the federal government. In the meantime, we will continue to work with existing federal, aboriginal and municipal agencies to ensure air quality in the Northwest Territories is protected. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 673

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize quite a list of people today who are here to watch the proceedings and to take

part in the ceremony later on. Chief Fred Sangris, Chief Peter Liske from Yellowknives; Chief Sayine from Deninu Kue;

---Applause

Chief Adeline Jonasson from Lutselk'e;

---Applause

...and Mr. Speaker, Jennifer Drygeese; Billy Drygeese; Ethel Liske; Peter Liske, sorry, Philip Liske; Jayden Liske; Alfred Belargeron; councillor and elder, Lucy Abel; Don Antoine; Thomas Sayine; Steve Nitah, former MLA; Rita Chretien; Rosalind Mercredi; Dennis Wallace, the federal negotiator; Don Balsillie, the lands negotiator with the Akaitcho. I don't know if Sharon Venne is there yet, the chief negotiator for the Akaitcho. Mr. Speaker, I apologize if I've missed some people. Of course, I think I said Jonas Sangris, yes, and our GNWT staff from MACA and Aboriginal Affairs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Page 673

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Page 673

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I also would like to recognize our chiefs from the Akaitcho Territory. Chief Jonasson and Chief Sayine from Lutselk'e and Deninu Kue respectively, and also Chief Fred Sangris and Peter Liske from Detah and Ndilo. Also a constituent of mine and former Member of this House and our Akaitcho Territory negotiator, Steven Nitah, along with one of his colleagues Don Balsillie; and our environmental guru for the East Arm, Mr. Steve Ellis. Welcome to the House.

---Applause

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Page 673

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to welcome the leaders and our friends from Akaitcho territory, as well as our mayor, the honourable Gordon Van Tighem. Also, I would like to tell you that starting today until Saturday the NWT Tourism Association is having their AGM and conference and the keynote speaker is the president and CEO of the Tourism Industry Association of Canada, and he is with us today with my super constituency assistant, Cathy Olsen. I'd like to introduce Mr. Randall Williams. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Page 673

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a St. Pat's student, Jayde Lafferty, his last day today as a Page. That's my son.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, I would like to also acknowledge the Akaitcho leadership and negotiators and families for being here. Welcome.

---Applause

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Page 673

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize all the leaders of the Akaitcho Territory to our Assembly here today. I would also like to recognize, I've got three Pages with us: Jennifer Siakuluk, Aimee Gauthier, and Jayde Lafferty, who are all constituents of mine. I also wanted to make mention, I appreciate all the hard work that all the Pages have done for us here over the last four weeks. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Page 674

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As everyone knows, my position doesn't lend itself well to seeing the gallery, but on my way in I did see a friend of mine, Andy Tereposky, who used to be a former boss of mine. He's also known as an excellent squash and baseball player; very good.

---Applause

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Page 674

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to also recognize the strong leadership from the Akaitcho and from the people around the Yellowknife area. I understand the mayor is also here from Yellowknife and I'd like to also recognize his leadership and his capabilities.

I'd also like to recognize the excellent work that CKLB is doing for us in this House session, because I get good comments from my region in terms of their staff doing excellent work and give them recognition. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Page 674

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just want to recognize Mr. Don Antoine and also Denizeh (sic) Antoine. Thank you very much.

---Applause

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Page 674

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. If we missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the House. Hope you're enjoying the proceedings. It's always a pleasure to have an audience. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are to the Minister of Justice today and it's a follow-up to my Member's statement. Mr. Speaker, I'm wondering if I could ask the Minister as to exactly what this proposed shared parenting legislation is suggesting and what exactly is this government's role in that regard. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this point I don't have any information on what the proposed legislation looks like other than the Minister of Justice has talked generally about family law with me and his desire to see it become less litigious and more avenues for resolution to these issues outside of court. I do know he intends to informally discuss with other jurisdictions some of the ways forward, but, at this point, I have no understanding from him as to what next steps might be or what legislation might look like. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It appears that he has as little information as I have in this regard and that's okay. But, Mr. Speaker, I think the Minister of Justice is aware of the fact that not only is his responsibility about consulting or being consulted on by the federal Justice Minister about their legislative proposals, but also this Minister's job is to represent the opinions and interest and discussions of the opinions of the NWT people on such proposed legislation.

So I'd like to ask the Minister if he would be willing to find a way to get input from a wide, general population of the NWT before he puts forward a definitive position on such legislation being put forward by the federal government. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Yes, Mr. Speaker. In fact we at the FPT table asked the federal government about our involvement in consultation as legislation is developed, new proposals are put forward; insisted that we need more involvement in that because obviously there are implications for us in our jurisdictions, not the least of which become cost implications. So we've expressed an interest in more formalized consultation. At this point there is no formal proposal on any new legislation, but should there be one I would expect that we would be involved and would certainly ensure all stakeholders in the Northwest Territories had a vehicle for input.

Mr. Speaker, let me also say that I've made the point clear to Justice Canada that we need to renew our contribution agreement between NWT Justice and federal Justice. There are a number of very worthwhile initiatives that are currently being funded in this area; our Family Law Clinic, seminars for parents, mediation for separating couples. We do this not only in Yellowknife and Hay River, but they're available by teleconference, Mr. Speaker. So there are a number of good initiatives. We need them to continue and we're going to need federal cost-shared dollars in that respect. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In terms of input process and consultation process, I think the Minister is well aware of the fact that there's a very active family law Bar in our territory, that there's a family law section. Would the Minister make a commitment to consult with them extensively and the lawyers that practice in this area, as

well as all the parents and interest groups, women's groups? The family law is a very complex area and I think it's important that in order that the NWT puts its position forward that's comprehensive and representative of the general population, that he does his homework in making sure that he gets all the information that he needs. Thank you.

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Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree; obviously the responsibility is on the federal government to adequately consult as they develop legislation. But I certainly won't duck the issue or the obligation to ensure all NWT interests are heard and we have a balanced perspective that's brought forward. So yes, as the federal government goes forward, when and if they propose to develop legislation of this kind, I would ensure that all stakeholders have a chance to voice their opinions and express their thoughts on how we might improve this area of family law. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could I just get the Minister to...He wasn't clear whether he will do the consultation himself or he would ask the federal government to do that. Could I ask him again that if he's going to put a government position forward in this kind of legislation, that he would commit to consulting himself before he forms an opinion on such legislation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Yes, Mr. Speaker, I will commit to doing that. I would expect the federal government to take the lead and, in fact, consult in all jurisdictions, involve us in that consultation. But failing what we see as adequate federal consultation, obviously we would step into the breach. But I think there is a role for both parties. We certainly will be involved in this at any rate. Obviously we have an interest in ensuring that this meets our needs in the Northwest Territories. So yes, if there's going to be the development of legislation, we will consult our stakeholders and ensure the federal government has and understands the views of northerners on this issue. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my Member's statement, I believe this government has a duty of care to ensure that children returning to their birth parents, Mr. Speaker, are given the best chance that they can have. I believe that's a right that we owe to these children to ensure they're safe. So, Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister of Health and Social Services is, what is this government doing for long-term follow-up of children returning to their birth parents? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the area of foster care and children in protection within the Government of the Northwest Territories is taken very seriously. The safety of the child comes first in our work and often that puts us in an adversarial role as we try to work to bring families together. But we work with families through a family plan, as well as in some cases when things require there's also at times a court order as to the process of having a child reintegrated back into the family. So there's a number of avenues that are taken to deal with the children and reintegration into the family. It's mostly on a case-by-case scenario. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Minister emphasizing, and I do believe the children do come first and I believe in the principle of uniting families is certainly the way we should go all the time. But, Mr. Speaker, treatment is a life-long process and I've heard from many people that a lot of folks fight substance abuse in the sense of they work towards day by day solving their problems. So when they get clean they still struggle, but they do meet this. So, Mr.

Speaker, before we have a train wreck on this problem, can the Minister tell me if he will investigate the process about ensuring that we have some type of monitoring of substance-free abuse by parents who have the return of their children. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the area of monitoring of home environment, again, is a case-by-case scenario. When a child and family services officer works with a case they take the necessary steps to ensure that the home is a safe environment to have the child returned to. Specifically for those families where addictions are involved, a number of things are taken. In most cases it is an agreement made between the child and family services staff member as well as the family members in coming up with a plan that would fit for reintegration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, Mr. Speaker, I can tell the Minister that if the case was necessary, I would run into a burning building to save my kids, Mr. Speaker. So I don't think we're asking too much of these parents to maybe pee in a cup once a month to prove that they're clean, that we're not putting kids at risk. I don't think that's a big threshold to ask to ensure that they're safe. So, Mr. Speaker, I ask the Minister again in this way, would he take the lead initiative so that we take the case-by-case scenario out of this to ensure that these kids are safe?

Would he lead this initiative by ensuring that all parents who have had substance abuse problems go through a process of ensuring and guaranteeing that they're clean? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the present time the court is the only place where the testing can be ordered and that process is from time to time put in place. As I stated earlier, for our side when we become involved as a family, we look at a number of initiatives, come up with a plan that works for the child as well as the family, and follow that through to the family being reunited. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't think I'm asking too much and I'm asking the Minister would he investigate this, because he could put it under powers of the director under

section 21 of our Child and Family Protection Service Act. We have a duty of care. I'm asking the Minister once again, would he initiate this process so we don't have to have it written in the court document? Would he lead this initiative? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it isn't as straightforward as taking the stroke of a pen to change a law within a regulation. We have to take into consideration the rights of all people involved. Yes, the children come first in our work and ensuring they have a safe environment, but we also have rules that we have to apply and follow when it comes to dealing with individuals.

In this case I will work with the department to see what options are there, but from all indications at this point we have a number of avenues we work with and it involves working with the family and coming to agreement with the family and from time to time that does include keeping a substance abuse situation free from the family environment. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we talk about our health care system I think that it is fair to say that whether you are a small community in a remote region or at the territorial hospital level here in Stanton, we have issues with recruitment and retention. I would like the Minister of Health and Social Services today if he could for me, please describe what is in place at the headquarters level that would assist health boards with the undertaking of recruiting and retaining their staff. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the area of recruitment and retention it has been a problem that we have been faced with for quite a few years, as well as other jurisdictions across Canada. We have worked with the Department of Human Resources and come up with a plan where they have brought people together, worked with our department in coming up with a recruitment team that deals specifically with attracting those in the nursing field as well as the other allied health services. Thank you.

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Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what I was looking for more is what do they actually do? Do they have a web page? Do they go to job shows and job fairs? Do they go out to colleges and universities? What do they actually do? I know they're there in the department. What do they do? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, number one is to look at what resources we have available, what avenues we can use, when do we come in contact with potential employees out there and how do we attract them to the Northwest Territories.

As well as provide information, as the Member has stated, through a number of avenues and media to inform those who are coming through our system or becoming aware of our situation in the Northwest Territories and may have interest, as well as what we've done internally within the Government of the Northwest Territories, and that is, for example, the guarantee offered to students from our Nurse Graduate Program as well as our Social Services Program, in that area to ensure that we can keep those

that we train here in the North to work here in the North. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister as well if the past practice of signing bonuses for health care professionals is something that is still used. If not, why not? Also with regard to the success of the bursary program, I would like to know what kind of professions are covered by the Department of Health's bursary program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the couple of questions there, the area of work that we have for our bursary program covers a number of areas to keep health professionals in the Northwest Territories or to attract those here as well. I believe we have that for the nursing field as well as for the physicians. In the area of the past system we had of bonuses, that was implemented for a short term. I do not believe that's in place today and it's something that we thought initially would attract people here and as well reward those for staying on in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister if there is anybody within the Department of Health and Social Services who acts as a trouble shooter or an ombudsman. We hear from people who are practicing in various fields of medicine or health care in the Northwest Territories who encounter problems. They probably could be answered and solved. There doesn't seem like there's a clear path of who they should talk to in these instances. Would the Minister consider there to be any merit to such a position or does one already exist? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not aware if a position exists within the department. We have a number of avenues of trying to address the issues that come up from time to time and there are issues that do come up, whether it's in the nursing field or in the physicians' field. Our communications side of the equation working with each authority and the senior management meetings are areas that we would look to having addressed the concerns that would come up through the system. That's an avenue as well.

Along side with the authorities is the joint leadership committee of all health board chairs as well as the department as drawing on the concerns from all regions and trying to address them as well. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in 2001 an Alberta TB expert, Dr. Anne Fanning, issued a 26-point plan to improve treatment of TB in the Northwest Territories. As I said in my Member's statement, the Department of Health said they would bring down TB to a national level by 2005, Mr. Speaker. However, the department's halfway to their target and have now pushed the deadline back to 2010. Can the Minister of Health and Social Services tell me why this is? Mahsi.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, sorry to say that in fact, yes, as the Member has stated, we've not met the targets that we initially put in place when we reviewed the program. However, we have made a number of adjustments that have helped us to lower the rates in the Northwest Territories. I think we have to as well accept that some positive steps have been taken and we've included a number of initiatives within the business plan of the Department of Health and Social Services to continue to try to bring that rate down. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister confirm to me that the Fanning report, which reviewed the treatment of TB in the Northwest Territories, said the first and most important of the tenets for controlling TB is finding the symptomatic patients so that they can be cured and transmission stopped? Mahsi.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member's obviously done his research in getting to the actual quotes. In fact that is one of the parts of the report and in fact is one of the goals we have, is finding out where the source is from and trying to deal with that before things start to spread. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My next question leads to the community needs. Wekweeti only sees a public nurse once or twice a month, Mr. Speaker. I don't think this is enough to control TB in a community such as Wekweeti, a small community. When I look at jobs available on the GNWT website or job posting there are no positions being advertised for a public health nurse in this community particularly. So I would like to ask the Minister what is the Minister doing about the nursing shortage in Wekweeti. Mahsi.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first of all I guess just for the record and for those that would listen to the questions and the discussion and debate that happens here in the Legislative Assembly, so no fear is out there that we have a TB epidemic or anything of that nature, the fact is I know that we have an issue to deal with. We are taking necessary steps. That has been reduced. We are halfway to meeting our targets. We'd like to be further along that, but unfortunately not there yet, but we'll continue to work to improve that.

As for the nursing situation in the community, I'd have to go back to the department to see what the makeup of our nursing profession or allied health services are available in that community and get back to the Member on that one. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just the Member's statement on Shaping our Future and action plan for 2006-2010, the Health and Social Services Action Plan, when the Minister indicated that the public health initiatives are working to expand the use of licensed practical nurses and nurse practitioners to address over-workload and improve client care. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister with that, what is the Minister prepared to do to ensure the health and well-being of the residents in small communities such as Wekweeti are looked after and monitored to control the TB in the community? Mahsi.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we've worked out and as I stated in the business plans, the department has put a number of initiatives in to try and address this matter of working to ensure that we have coverage in all our communities no matter how small or what size. I have to again get back to the department as to some of the necessary steps or the steps that may have been taken and get up to speed on that and gladly sit down with the Member and review those results. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I listened quite intently to the Minister of Health and Social Services' statement earlier today Shaping our Future and action plan, 2006-2010. I know the Department of Health and Social Services in the past has been labelled as the department of perpetual planning and they always seem to be studying or reviewing or getting a working group together, and oftentimes, Mr. Speaker, that's the answer that the Minister of Health gives Regular Members when we ask questions.

I'd like to ask the Minister today, how it is possible that they can develop an action plan for the future when judging by comments I've heard from constituents and other health care professionals across the North that it would indicate to me that we have a staffing crisis on our hands? I'd like to ask the Minister how he can do that action plan in isolation of a plan to address the staffing issues. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, let's be clear; there are issues we have to deal with in Health and Social Services. There are issues around our nurse recruitment equation; the use of fill-ins or agency nurses. But we do not have a crisis on our hands and nothing is about to explode at this point. We have some major issues we need to deal with and we will deal with them. For example, Mr.

Speaker, earlier in this session I committed to the chairperson of the Social Programs committee to work on an initiative that would see us doing some work in our facility here at Stanton to deal with some of those issues, to address them and move forward with a plan to make some changes if that's what's required. But we have worked across the North with our health authorities, with our