Debates of Dec. 8th, 1993

This is page numbers 517 - 564 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Contributions Policy - Local Community Transportation Facilities

Building And Learning Strategy

Dene Kede Curriculum Launched

Member's Statement Re Proposal To Close Akaitcho Hall

Member's Statement Re Resignation As Deputy Speaker

The Importance Of Literacy

Prospecting Course In Baker Lake

Member's Statement Re Subsidized Housing Program

Member's Statement Acknowledging Pages From Inuvik

Member's Statement Welcoming Pages From Rankin Inlet

Miracle In Iqaluit

Appreciation To Honourable M. Ballantyne

Return To Oral Question 173-12(4): Method Of Identifying Former Dumping Sites In The Arctic Ocean

Return To Oral Question 197-12(4): Handling And Transportation Of Firearms

Further Return To Oral Question 188-12(4): Change Of Name Procedures

Further Return To Oral Question 166-12(4): Financial Assistance For Family Of Missing Hunter From Arviat

Further Return To Oral Question 218-12(4): Negotiations For Arctic Airports

Further Return To Oral Question 151-12(4): Availability Of Funding To Communities Visiting Greenland

Further Return To Oral Question 171-12(4): Process For Determining Maximum Value Of Contracts

Further Return To Oral Question 161-12(4): Finance Officer Responsible For Official Languages

Further Return To Oral Question 158-12(4): Funds For Communities Under Languages Agreement

Return To Oral Question 162-12(4): Date Premier Became Aware Of Lapsed Funds Under Languages AgreementFurther Return To Oral Question 163-12(4): Lapsed Funds Under Languages Agreement

Further Return To Oral Question 174-12(4): GNWT Commitment To Spreading Conference Business Throughout The Nwt

Return To Oral Question 180-12(4): Cost Of Sending Student From Pond Inlet To Iqaluit

Return To Written Question 16-12(4): Student Loan Agreement

Role Of Em&pr

Discussions With Federal Government Re Northern Energy Accord

Changes In Em&pr To Focus On Mineral Development

Type Of Expertise Shared With Other Groups

Training Programs For Heavier Involvement In The Mining Industry

Purpose Of Road To Arctic Coast

Transfer Of Em&pr Positions To The East

Construction Of Road To Rae Lakes

Increases In Social Assistance Rates

Division Secretariat Established By Cabinet

Hiring Of Outside Electricians When Local People Available

Date Of Decision To Set Up Division Secretariat

Reinstatement Of Alcohol And Drug Board Of Management

Alcohol And Drug Board Of Management

Department Responsible For Mining

Transportation Strategy Report

Full-time Ed&t Staff Requested For Hall Beach

Funds For Meeting Of Alcohol And Drug Board Of Management

Projected Deficit For 1993-94

Drivers' Licences - Changes For Visually Impaired

Stockpiles Transferred For Roads In Chesterfield Inlet

Alcohol And Drug Board Of Management Contributions

Dene Cultural Institute Proposal, Fmb Review

Problems With Birth Certificates

Ed&t Office To Handle Industrial Benefits From Major Projects

Minister's Reference To Mess In Social Services

Tabling Of Terms Of Reference For Alcohol And Drug Board Of Management

Question 249-12(44): Eviction Of Tenants For Rental Arrears In Baffin Public Housing

Ed&t Minister's Ignorance Of Initiative Announced By Premier

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 15-12(4): Disabled Persons Vocational Rehabilitation Cost-sharing

Return To Written Question 16-12(4): Student Loan Agreement

Return To Written Question 18-12(4): Ministers' Home Travel

Return To Written Question 24-12(4): Languages Commissioner's Travel List

Return To Written Question 25-12(4): Bosco Homes Contracts And/or Contributions

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Referral Of The Comprehensive Audit Of The Department Of Economic Development And Tourism To The Standing Committee On Public Accounts

Adopting Members' Conduct Guidelines

Legislatures Recommendation To The Electoral District Boundaries Commission

Appearance Of Witnesses Before Committee Of The Whole When Dealing With Family Violence In The Nwt

Revert Back To Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Amend Subclause 3(2) Of Bill 1

To Amend

Schedule To Bill 1

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 49-12(4): Contributions Policy - Local Community Transportation Facilities

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, since becoming the Minister of Transportation , Members of the House have made it very clear to me that there is a large desire for local transportation facilities in the communities. These include wharves, breakwaters and landings for small boats and access roads or trails to local attractions. These facilities are needed to support resource harvesting, recreation, tourism and cultural pursuits.

It has also become clear to me that the needs are not being adequately met. In part, this shortfall can be addressed by speaking more on these programs, and I intend to do so. However, this is not the only answer.

In many cases, communities know what is needed and are quite capable of building it themselves. Often, they are prepared to make a substantial contribution to the work and are asking only for some assistance to pay wages or purchase materials or fuel.

I believe we should support this kind of community initiative and commitment. By doing so, we can respond to community priorities and increase the local control and stake in the projects. We can also stretch our limited dollars a little further.

Mr. Speaker, I am, therefore, pleased to announced that Cabinet has approved a contributions policy for community transportation infrastructure. This policy will increase our flexibility in making contributions to communities who wish to undertake improvements to local access roads and small craft facilities.

Communities will be encouraged to develop proposals outlining the work to be done, including the costs and schedule, the contribution requested and the anticipated benefits. I should caution that this policy is aimed at smaller local projects and our total funding is not unlimited. However, we will make every effort to respond positively to sound proposals.

Department of Transportation staff will also be available to assist in developing proposals and provide expertise where required. We will also continue, where appropriate, with more traditional implementation methods for community marine and access road projects.

This policy will therefore not exclude those communities who do not have the means to initiate such proposals. Nor will it exclude larger or more complex projects which do require more thorough planning, engineering or environmental assessments.

Mr. Speaker, I would be pleased to make details of this new policy available to interested Members and community councils. I hope my colleagues will agree that this policy is a positive step forward towards community control in satisfying local needs and aspirations. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 49-12(4): Contributions Policy - Local Community Transportation Facilities

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 50-12(4): Building And Learning Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Later on this afternoon, Mr. Speaker, I will table the building and learning strategy on behalf of the NWT Housing Corporation, the Departments of Public Works and Services and the Honourable Richard Nerysoo , Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . This important initiative is a result of months of hard work and collaboration between the NWT Housing Corporation and the Departments of Public Works and Services, Education, Culture and Employment.

Every year, our government spends millions of dollars on capital projects. We build houses, schools, nursing stations, recreational facilities and other buildings that are needed in our communities. These capital projects have the potential to create much more benefit to the communities than just the buildings themselves. The jobs generated by construction work are needed by the people in the communities. Jobs are scarce in many communities, and employment is needed so people can be self-sufficient and provide a better quality of life for themselves and their families.

Jobs, training and business opportunities for the communities are what the building and learning strategy is all about. Government, communities and NWT construction industry will work together to create new jobs for northerners on government funded local construction projects. Through these efforts, we will build a trained, skilled, northern construction workforce, and strengthen our northern construction industry.

I would like to thank the Honourable Richard Nerysoo and all those who contributed to the development of this strategy. We will continue to work together to ensure that government-funded construction projects result not only in quality buildings, but also in stronger, more self-sufficient northern communities, citizens and businesses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 50-12(4): Building And Learning Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 3, Ministers' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 51-12(4): Dene Kede Curriculum Launched

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The importance of basing education in local culture has long been recognized in the Northwest Territories. Although language and cultural activities have been a part of school programs, communities, educators, school boards and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment have recognized the need to include aboriginal culture and language in the school system in a consistent way.

I am pleased to tell this Assembly that Dene Kede, the first curriculum to provide a Dene perspective on education, was officially launched at a ceremony in Rae in mid-October, and has been officially introduced into schools across the western Arctic. The curriculum encompasses the language, culture and way in which five Dene nations view the world.

Approximately fifty themes, such as drumming, fire, and caribou, are used to teach the four concepts central to Dene perspective: the spiritual world, the land, the self and the people. The purpose of the curriculum is to enhance Dene culture and language, and to help students develop respectful relationships with themselves, other people, the spirit world and the land.

To ensure that Dene Kede is truly community-based, it was essential to involve as many communities as possible in its development. Elders, in particular, had a key role to play at every stage. As a result, the way in which Dene Kede was produced was unique. Over a period of three years, a group of elders from all five of the Dene regions developed the curriculum by identifying the major themes and how they reflect Dene perspective. The staff of the department and 24 other aboriginal teachers acted as support to these elders.

The curriculum was piloted in five schools in the western Arctic in 1992-93, including Fort McPherson, Fort Providence, Rae-Edzo and two schools in Yellowknife. The curriculum is now being implemented in all western Arctic schools and is expected to take up to three years, at which point it will be evaluated. I am proud of this accomplishment and will be providing every Member with a copy of this curriculum. Mr. Speaker, I would like to note that my colleague, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , was Minister of Education when work began on this important initiative.

Dene Kede has currently been developed for students in kindergarten to grade six. Work on the curriculum for grades seven to nine is scheduled to begin in 1995-96. I am also pleased to announce that work is proceeding on Inuuqatigiit, the Inuktitut language and culture curriculum, which will be piloted in January of 1994. I will keep the Assembly informed of progress on this curriculum. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 51-12(4): Dene Kede Curriculum Launched

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Member's Statement Re Proposal To Close Akaitcho Hall

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I wish to speak about the proposed closure of Akaitcho Hall. Akaitcho Hall has served the needs of all students in the Northwest Territories for more than 25 years. It is an institution that has helped to graduate many of our leaders, by giving them a sound environment in which to learn and grow. The proposed closure, in the spring of 1994, of Akaitcho Hall limits the educational opportunities for our children. If we are to continue to want the best possible education for our children, we must provide them with choices.

I do not believe that the divisional boards of education can supply the same recreational, cultural and educational opportunities that are available in a city the size of Yellowknife. The divisional boards can not provide large enough student numbers in each grade level to ensure a variety of classes and options. To replace Akaitcho Hall with a home boarding program is not an option. The majority of the people who would be involved in offering their homes through this program would be of European descent.

Taking a native student and placing them in such an environment serves, again, to reduce the opportunity to maintain one's own cultural identity.

In the capital project address on November 19, the Honourable John Pollard stated that one of the biggest concerns this government had was the lack of educational facilities for the development of our children. I submit, Mr. Speaker, that the need for Akaitcho Hall is far from over and that the department's failure to include this fact in this planning may show short-sightedness on their part. Akaitcho Hall has served, in the past, as a melting pot of all cultures in the Northwest Territories. Students who attend Akaitcho Hall are exposed to a different aspect of Dene and Inuit culture.

The interchange of ideas and culture results in our children having a greater understanding and appreciation of the diversity of the people of the Northwest Territories. This understanding can not be achieved in a home boarding program.

Children from the smaller communities with a native heritage must be exposed to larger communities such as Yellowknife to lessen the cultural shock that might occur, should they decide to further their education in the south. We need educated native-born northerners with the necessary skills to guide and shape the destiny of the Northwest Territories into the 25th century. The closure of Akaitcho Hall...

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Member's Statement Re Proposal To Close Akaitcho Hall

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Gargan .

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Member's Statement Re Proposal To Close Akaitcho Hall

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, I seek unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement Re Proposal To Close Akaitcho Hall

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Member's Statement Re Proposal To Close Akaitcho Hall

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and honourable Members. The closure of Akaitcho Hall robs northern students of the freedom to make their own choices. Thank you.

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Member's Statement Re Proposal To Close Akaitcho Hall

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Gargan . Members' statements. Mr. Pudluk .

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Member's Statement Re Resignation As Deputy Speaker

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today, with regard to being the deputy speaker. I will be resigning from my position as Deputy Speaker, as I have served my two year term. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank you and the two other chairpersons. I am sure the Members are aware that there would be a person from amongst the Members to be elected as a Speaker and a deputy speaker. I would like to encourage every one of you to be the Speaker or the deputy speaker. Thank you very much, to all the Members for giving me support when I was chairperson and when I was a deputy speaker. I really appreciate your support. (Translation ends)

My resignation as the deputy speaker will be effective at the end of the Fourth Session of the 12th Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Member's Statement Re Resignation As Deputy Speaker

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Pudluk . I think all Members join me in thanking you very much for your contributions, not only in the last two years as deputy speaker, but for your many, many years in the House. Thanks so much, Mr. Pudluk .

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Member's Statement Re Resignation As Deputy Speaker

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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The Importance Of Literacy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to speak a little bit on literacy. I have a little clipping from the newspaper that says that the world illiteracy rate is falling and this is the first time for that. It's good news that more people are able to read and write. We're approaching the end of 1993 and I think the end of a year is a good time to reflect on things that are important.

This is a very good time to remember the importance of being able to read and to write, the importance of being able to pick up the newspaper and to read the latest news, the importance of being able to read and understand safety signs around, the importance of being able to write a letter to your mother, your father, or write a note to your grandchildren.

During this session, we've had many reminders about literacy and education programs. I was dismayed to hear from the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment that the drop-out rate in the NWT was as high as 75 per cent. Then, we turn around and we use capital program money to train workers in construction. I find this all pretty discouraging.

Not all of the news is bad, however. In October, during literacy week, I was one of the many people who took

part in reading out loud to children in the Panda Mall. A lot of organizations across the NWT held reading and writing events that week. The Literacy Council asked people to read for 15 minutes on October 8 and 7,850 reported that they did. The Literacy Council also held a writing contest across the territories. Last year, they had 400 entries, this year, there were more than 800. These activities are good signs, but literacy is not a once a year thing. It is important not only to learn to read and to write in all of our languages, but it is important to use those skills throughout our lives.

The holiday is just around the corner and I have a suggestion for all the Members of this Assembly and all of the people of the territories; this season give a book to a friend, read a book to yourself and share a book with your family. Literacy is a gift for a lifetime. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Prospecting Course In Baker Lake

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of my highlights this past summer was to arrange for a prospecting course in Baker Lake. The process was tedious and time-consuming, as two NWT government departments were involved and the federal department of Indian and Northern Affairs. However, the course did take place late in the summer. I spoke to some of the students during the course and afterwards. The students were ecstatic as they took in the information from the instructor. I have stated in this House previously, that I believe our corner of the country is one of the last frontiers, as it relates to minerals.

I think the potential in mineral development is incredible. This is where the north will find its financial resources to build the much-needed infrastructure. Mr. Speaker, there has been a record number of mineral claim staking in the area of north Great Slave Lake and they are going to continue to move eastward. In 1992, 20 million acres of claims were recorded, with 3.1 million acres in the month of December alone. There were more claims staked in one month than had occurred in many years.

At the end of 1992, the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs gave out an additional 7.1 million acres in prospecting permits. This calendar year, between the months of January and October, 45 million acres were recorded.

Mr. Speaker, the people of the Northwest Territories have to be intimately involved in this development. One of the ways to start is by running similar courses in the communities. Our people have to start staking some of this land. They have to learn what it means to be a miner, otherwise, mining companies will be up here with no involvement by the people. Much the same as has happened in the development of our government over the past three or four decades.

As is the norm, our people will be given token positions to show the numbers are there. They will not be in a position to be able to influence the major decisions that will have to be made. I encourage the Government of the Northwest Territories to start campaigning across the north the potential for jobs in the mining industry. Where that starts, Mr. Speaker, is in education.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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Prospecting Course In Baker Lake

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We must make information about job opportunities, and the possibilities of mining, readily available to young people across the north, and train them in those positions. In fact, when approached properly, it offers a unique opportunity for northerners to create businesses, owned and operated, by northerners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Arngna'naaq . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Member's Statement Re Subsidized Housing Program

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the report of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, we highlighted a number of success stories, stories where we found people had faced community problems and found ways to deal with them. I'd like to tell the House today about a success story that is just coming together.

Mr. Speaker, there is a subsidized housing development in Yellowknife known as Sissons Court. There are 48 units owned by the Housing Corporation and administered by the Yellowknife Housing Authority. A large number of the residents are single parents and there are 98 children, under the age of 16, living in this subsidized housing. Many of the parents do not have cars to take their kids to organized sports and many of the organized sports, such as hockey, are just too expensive. So, the Yellowknife Housing Authority has put up a basketball court to encourage children not to play in the parking lot, which is the only other place for them to play, and this is well used.

Otherwise, there is just nothing for these children to do. Of course, the by-product of this was a lot of vandalism in the neighbourhood. Mr. Speaker, about six months ago, an energetic young woman by the name of Monica Fusick-Leonard is decided that forming a tenant association would be the first step in improving the life of the residents of Sissons Court. She canvassed her neighbours, drummed up support, and a non-profit tenant association has now been formed.

While working at getting this association going, Monica also worked on another idea, a community centre for the tenants. She wanted a place, and I quote from her letter, "...where all the tenants here in Sissons Court could come to get help with the problems we face, a major one being that our children have no organized shelter and place where they can receive help when they need it, whether it be to discuss stressful problems with a counsellor or just to do arts and crafts. It will keep them off the streets and reduce vandalism by giving them something constructive to do with their time and energy."

Mr. Speaker, Monica also consulted with Social Services and thought they would be willing to hold workshops in the Sissons Court community centre on topics such as budget planning, social assistance, time management and so on, as well as to counsel people on such issues as child welfare, family violence and sexual, mental or physical abuse. In her drive to get a community centre, Monica put together a comprehensive proposal and then lobbied the Housing Authority, the Housing Corporation, Social Services and anyone else she thought might help.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement Re Subsidized Housing Program

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Dent .

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Member's Statement Re Subsidized Housing Program

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members. Mr. Speaker, I'm happy to report that Monica and the Sissons Court Tenant Association are going to have a community centre. The Yellowknife Housing Authority is going to make a three bedroom unit at Sissons Court available for the tenant's association's use. The arrangement has been made for a six month trial period only, but there is good reason to believe that this community centre can really work for Sissons Court.

The creation of the tenant association alone, last spring, has had positive results. According to the Housing Authority, there has already been a considerable decrease in vandalism in the neighbourhood in the past six months. Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate the Yellowknife Housing Authority, the Honourable Don Morin and the NWT Housing Corporation for recognizing the importance and value of this project and allowing it to proceed.

I would like to thank the Social Services area office for their help and support. And most of all, I would like to congratulate Monica Fusick-Leonard is on her initiative and her can do spirit. Mr. Speaker, she has set an example for all of us.

---Applause

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Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Member's Statement Acknowledging Pages From Inuvik

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Today I'd like to acknowledge the performance and contributions of two pages who are from Inuvik. Bernadette Binder and Kevin St. Amand have been with us for the week and a half. They are both from Samuel Hearne Secondary School in Inuvik. They are grade ten students. They were chosen from among many applications from students in Samuel Hearne. The two applicants were chosen based on their scholastic abilities plus their ability to be on time and perform various tasks that have been assigned to them.

So, I would like to acknowledge their being here, the work they've done and I would also like to thank the school staff who chose these two from all the other students. I would also like to thank my wife and children for hosting these two, during their stay in Yellowknife. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Koe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Member's Statement Welcoming Pages From Rankin Inlet

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like Mr. Koe , I'm very pleased to inform Members of this House that serving this week as pages are two young students from Rankin Inlet. On the immediate left is Pauline Sabourin and on the right is Shauna Tatty. These two young students were selected by the teachers of the Maani Ulujuk Secondary School, based on their academic performance and their attitude. I'm extremely proud of Shauna and Pauline, and I know their parents, Robert and Annie Tatty of Rankin Inlet and Marie Sabourin of Whale Cove are equally proud they've been selected to serve as pages through the sitting of this Assembly.

Mr. Speaker, this is the third occasion that I've been able to sponsor students from the Keewatin to travel to Yellowknife to serve as pages. The experience for all of these students has been tremendous and I intend to sponsor more students in the future. I hope, Mr. Speaker, that, through your office, we can see an expansion of this program so that more students from outside of Yellowknife can have the opportunity to see how the Legislative Assembly operates. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .

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Miracle In Iqaluit

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I'm waiting for the light, although the clock started ticking.

---Laughter

Am I on? Mr. Speaker, although I know this is not Friday, but it is getting very close to Christmas, I have seen the light...

---Laughter

...and I rise today to inform the House of a veritable miracle in the House. This relates to the ongoing saga of the town of Iqaluit. Mr. Speaker, on November 12, I was informed in the grave, sombre tones of a letter hand-delivered from the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs that, even with the debenture interests forgiveness relief granted by the FMB, "The town will be still be saddled with a considerable financial burden which it cannot meet with its present funds."

"The long and short of it," the Minister went on to say in his very unsettling letter, "is that the town of Iqaluit is incapable of meeting its financial obligations, for which reason, I have been directed by Cabinet to declare the town under the control of a municipal administrator." Mr. Speaker, it got worse.

On November 18, in a further letter to me, the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs stated, "Even with the debenture refinancing, the town was still facing a deficit of nearly $1 million, much of which is due December 31, 1993." My anxiety rose. If that wasn't bad enough news, Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard , speculated in this House, on November 24, in a return to a question about the financial obligations of the town of Iqaluit, "As late as yesterday, I was told by someone that amount may go as high as another $2.4 million." The miracle is this Mr.

Speaker -- and I will get to who the miracle worker was later in this statement -- after all these grave warnings, even with the debenture relief having been approved, a financial crisis and crippling debt looming and year end deficits, the new municipal administrator reported to the people of Iqaluit, at a public meeting which I attended last Monday night, "The financial situation has been stabilized."

---Applause

"The patient is out of danger," he said. "The town can meet the debenture payments." Hallelujah!

---Laughter

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, in less than four weeks...(Microphone turned off)

---Laughter

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Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays?

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Agreed.

---Agreed

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Michael Ballantyne

There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

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Thank you very much, Members. You can see I have been rejuvenated by my visit to Iqaluit.

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(Microphone turned off)

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

We got to hallelujah. The miracle is this, Mr. Speaker. In less than four weeks, Mr. Beaumont has turned a threatened $1 million to $2 million deficit into financial stability. The financial crisis has been averted. Financial crisis has become financial stability. Mr. Speaker, Robin Beaumont is a miracle worker. He has saved hundreds of thousands of dollars each day he has been in office. I cannot understand why the citizens of Yellowknife didn't elect him mayor.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, we should clone Mr. Beaumont.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

We should clone him and put him to work in departments of the government. We should make him a special assistant in charge of fighting deficits for Mr. Pollard .

---Applause

Maybe, Mr. Speaker, he should even been put in charge of managing the Ministers' home travel budgets.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Now, Mr. Speaker, not everyone believes in miracles. Some of my more cynical constituents are not

convinced that miracles have been wrought by the new municipal administrator. If Mr. Beaumont is not a miracle worker, Mr. Speaker, if such powers are not given to mere mortals, even retired senior MACA officials with Mr. Beaumont's experience, then what other explanation can there be? The only other explanation I can think of is, after the debenture refinancing, perhaps the town of Iqaluit was not in a financial crisis after all. Mr. Speaker, if there was not a grave financial crisis after the debenture refinancing, then I ask Members of this House, what was the real reason for the dissolution of the mayor and council of the town of Iqaluit? Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Patterson . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Appreciation To Honourable M. Ballantyne

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I know, Mr. Speaker, you have been just waiting for someone to get up and thank you for your service.

---Laughter

Having stood, Mr. Speaker, on an impulse, after hearing Mr. Patterson 's passionate words about miracles, then I won't accuse you of ever having wrought any or performing any. But over the last two years I have appreciated your good humour and your attempt to keep everybody on the right track. I only became aware, yesterday what an incredible astute politician you really are, even though you are Speaker.

It has taken me a long time, but yesterday I noticed that when you arrived in the Chamber you were wearing red socks that were perfectly colour coordinated with the poinsettias to your right and to your left, and that you have arranged to have a photographer in the gallery to capture this moment in history...

---Laughter

...when you were going to tell us that you were going to now fully represent the people who elected you.

It does leave me with one thought, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Pedersen had a similar kind of problem. When you take on this responsibility then you do, in fact, give up your right to speak and it poses tremendous problems for everybody. So, I suppose what I'm doing is to thank you for those years of self-sacrifice when you have in fact given up these rights in order to serve the rest of us to the best of your ability. Thank you very much.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Lewis . The picture is for my mother.

---Laughter

The son she always wanted. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Oral Question 173-12(4): Method Of Identifying Former Dumping Sites In The Arctic Ocean

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have three returns. The first one is to Mr. Kelvin Ng . The question he asked on December 2 regarding method of identifying former dumping sites in the Arctic Ocean.

The recent discovery of electrical equipment in the marine waters off Cambridge Bay has confirmed what has been suspected for many years, that the Arctic Ocean has been used for the disposal of hazardous wastes by operators of Canada's DEW Line system.

The survey work completed near Cambridge Bay last spring was undertaken by the federal government to assist in developing an overall plan to identify sites which may have been used for this purpose in the past. The Department of Renewable Resources assisted this survey work by providing logistical support to the divers and research scientists who were on site at the time.

The Government of the Northwest Territories strongly objects to the past and present disposal of hazardous wastes into the Arctic Ocean. We have stated this position publicly and to Environment Canada on many recent occasions, including a meeting of Environment Ministers which took place last month. I am presently writing to the newly appointed federal Minister of the Environment, the Honourable Sheila Copps, confirming my concerns with this matter.

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Return To Oral Question 197-12(4): Handling And Transportation Of Firearms

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

I have another return to an oral question asked by Mr. Gargan on December 6. It is response to a question asked regarding handling and transportation of firearms.

Mr. Gargan 's question is whether, as an aboriginal person, it is illegal for him to keep his gun displayed on a gun rack in his vehicle.

The firearms safety provisions are prescribed by the federal government under the criminal code. The supporting regulations apply to all persons with no differentiation as to whether they are aboriginal or non-aboriginal.

There is a specific regulation on "storage, display, handling and transportation of firearms." Sections 4, 9 and 10 of this regulation set out the requirements on how firearms may be stored, displayed and transported. Firearms left in unattended vehicles must be unloaded, lock in the vehicle or in the truck or similar compartment if there is one, and not visible from the outside.

A copy of these regulations can be provided to all Members if they wish.

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Further Return To Oral Question 188-12(4): Change Of Name Procedures

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Lastly, I have a Return to Oral Question asked by Mr. Kelvin Ng on December 6, regarding change of name procedures.

On Monday, Mr. Ng brought up the matter of the difficulties involved in changing one's name. I'd like to thank him for raising this matter in the House. There was an excellent suggestion made that the procedure be simplified so people would no longer have to go to the expense of having to hire a lawyer to apply to court for an order to have their name changed.

The consumer and corporate affairs division of the Department of Safety and Public Services is just completing a study which documents the history of the collection of vital statistics in the Northwest Territories, and outlines many of the problems which Mr. Ng refers to in his statement. The proposal made by Mr. Ng is consistent with the study which would suggest that the Change of Name Act be amended to remove the process from the court system and permit applications for change of name to be directed to vital statistics as is done in many provinces.

I will be consulting with my Cabinet colleague responsible for the Department of Safety and Public Services. Our two departments will work closely together to conduct the necessary consultation on this matter, with a view of putting forward proposed changes in the new year. Thank you.

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Further Return To Oral Question 188-12(4): Change Of Name Procedures

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Oral Question 166-12(4): Financial Assistance For Family Of Missing Hunter From Arviat

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question by Mr. Arngna'naaq on December 1 regarding financial assistance to the family of the missing hunter from Arviat.

I am advised, Mr. Speaker, that the official search for Mr. Napayok is over, although family and friends are continuing the private search.

The Government of the Northwest Territories has been working with hamlet officials, the RCMP and the military to ensure the effective use of the resources of all agencies involved in the search. The regional direction and officials of MACA are monitoring search activities and providing what advice and assistance is necessary to the local search committee coordinators.

I have asked the regional direction in the Keewatin region to review all search-related expenditures to determine if some of the costs incurred by the family are eligible for reimbursement under government policy.

I understand that private donations raised may be sufficient to cover all these costs, but we will review this situation when the final costs are determined. We expect that this determination will be made within the next ten days.

I have two other returns, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Oral Question 218-12(4): Negotiations For Arctic Airports

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

A return ask by Mr. Ng on December 7 with respect to negotiations for the Arctic A airports.

On Tuesday, December 7, the honourable Member for Kitikmeot asked me if, in the even of a successful transfer of the Arctic A airports from the federal to the territorial government, how the Department of Transportation intended to operate the airports themselves, contract their operation to a private firm or further devolve them to municipalities.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Transportation has no special preference or commitment to any one way of managing and operating the airports it may require and remains open to all three options the Member suggested. Department, private or municipal operation each have their pros and cons. The department would look at each airport on a case by case basis and determine which method of operation seemed to make the most sense in the particular circumstances.

The department would probably operate the airports by itself for a while, at least until the inevitable wrinkles with the transfer were worked out and the department had become familiar with their operations. At that stage, it could begin to consider the best long-term operating arrangements for each of the airports.

Again, I want to emphasize that negotiations have only begun and, as I said to the Member, unless we get a good agreement, I cannot say, with certainty, that a transfer will take place at all. It is far too early for me to start making commitments about the best way to operate them.

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Further Return To Oral Question 151-12(4): Availability Of Funding To Communities Visiting Greenland

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I also have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Pudluk on November 30 regarding the availability of funding to communities visiting Greenland.

In October, 1993, the main delegation from Pangnirtung going to Greenland was the entire council, as well as two hamlet administrative staff. Council had been planning this trip for over a year so that they could review different management systems, the structure of council, committee systems and program management. They were not representing the Baffin region in any official capacity but rather were looking for possible solutions to some of the problems facing their own community.

The community requested financial assistance from my department as they were recovering from a substantial deficit. Since the council had been making a strong effort to retire their debt and put new systems in place to exercise better controls, the Baffin regional superintendent made a recommendation that the department provide some financial assistance in recognition of what the council had achieved. The Minister of the day agreed to make a contribution. The council was required to identify some of their own funds to help offset the total cost. These visits are planned as exchange visits and the hamlet council of Pangnirtung agreed to host a delegation from Greenland in return.

Other such exchanges have taken place in conjunction with a memorandum of agreement signed in April, 1989 between the Greenland Home Rule Government and this government. Broughton Island, Lake Harbour, Pond Inlet and Grise Fiord are other communities that have participated. Some have received financial assistance and some have not. Each request is considered separately, on its own merit.

However, the department is not funded specifically to provide financial assistance to councils wishing to travel to Greenland or other locations. There is no application process prescribed and no money allocated to assist in travel costs. There is no assurance that if any further requests are received, further funding could be provided. Thank you.

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Further Return To Oral Question 151-12(4): Availability Of Funding To Communities Visiting Greenland

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Madam Premier .

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Further Return To Oral Question 171-12(4): Process For Determining Maximum Value Of Contracts

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, as requested by Mr. Dent in an oral question asked on December 2, I will be circulating to Members today, the guidelines for negotiated contracts.

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Further Return To Oral Question 161-12(4): Finance Officer Responsible For Official Languages

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

I also have a return to a question asked by Mr. Ng on December 1, 1993. Mr. Ng asked if there were one or two financial coordinators in the official languages unit of the Department of the Executive.

There is one financial coordinator in the unit. The position has been filled since April of 1993, and was created to ensure better financial reporting by departments.

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Further Return To Oral Question 158-12(4): Funds For Communities Under Languages Agreement

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

I also have a return to a question asked by Mr. Gargan on December 1, 1993, regarding funds for communities under language agreements.

Both the territorial and federal governments have committed funding for community-based initiatives relating to the aboriginal languages through the Canada-NWT cooperation agreement for French and aboriginal languages. Under the 1993-94 annual appendix for aboriginal languages, approximately $2.5 million is directed to community-based contribution programs. This represents 45 per cent of the available agreement funding and does not include funding directed towards the communities through the delivery of other GNWT programs and services funded out of the agreement.

This funding can be categorized into two areas:

i)Funding which is accessible by community groups or individuals for projects they propose. These include the following contribution programs:

- community proposed geographic place name projects, $55,000;

- community proposed language enhancement initiatives,

$460,000;

- community proposed literacy projects, $112,000; to a total of $627,000.

ii)Funding driven by community needs and carried out at the community level. These include the following contribution programs:

- community based broadcasting organizations, $240,000;

- community based teaching and learning centres, $1.11

million;

- community based teacher education training program,

$550,000; for a total of $1.89 million.

It should be noted that when the 10 per cent cuts announced by the federal government were applied, the impact upon community-based contribution programs was minimal because a greater proportion of the cuts was applied against other programs. All of the above mentioned projects had their funding increased from the 1992-93 fiscal year, with the exception of the teaching and learning centres.

All of these contribution programs are administered by the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. These contributions are allocated through normal GNWT procedures. All NWT communities can access these funds, and many communities are already experiencing the benefits of these programs. Specific details with respect to contribution recipients or rejections can be provided by the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to a question asked on December 1 by Mrs. Marie-Jewell regarding the date the Premier became aware of lapsed funds under the languages agreement and also a question on the languages agreement. Both questions are addressed in this one reply.

During the 1992-93 fiscal year, all departments were asked to identify projected lapses on four separate occasions, September, November, December of 1992, and February of 1993. Additional requests for information were made at the monthly languages coordinators meeting which includes representatives from all departments.

In response to the official languages unit request for projected expenditures in December of 1992, the departments projected a zero dollar lapse for aboriginal languages and $397,000 lapse for French.

Final activity and financial reports required by the agreement were submitted to the official language unit one month after the end of the fiscal year. By the end of April, the GNWT was aware that the level of lapse was higher than they had been projecting a few months earlier.

The official language unit has increased its efforts to better monitor the agreement funding through exploring variance reporting for vote 4 as well as advising departments of their continued obligation to monitor their programs effectively. Appropriate and effective management of all program resources is expected of individual departments.

Every effort is being made to ensure that the projections are accurate to reallocate available funding appropriately. Based on the information provided by the departments for the interim activity report, the GNWT is expecting no lapse for aboriginal languages and $269,000 for French. Lapses for French are due mostly to year end expenditures such as accommodation services and payout of benefits. This will be monitored closely.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have a reply to an oral question asked by Mr. Patterson on December 2, concerning the Government of the Northwest Territories' commitment to spreading conference business throughout the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I will be circulating today, copies of two letters respecting the need for spreading conference business throughout the Northwest Territories. The first letter, which was issued on January 20, 1993, resulted in the development of a listing of proposed GNWT sponsored conferences for 1993 along with an estimation of the number of participants and the location of each conferences. This listing, which I will also circulate today, reflects that out of 107 conferences and meetings planned for 1993, only 27 were to take place in Yellowknife.

The second letter which I issued following Mr. Patterson 's question on December 2 was intended to enforce the position that our conference business should be spread throughout the NWT whenever and wherever possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Madam Premier . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Allooloo on December 2, regarding the cost of sending a student from Pond Inlet to Iqaluit.

A kindergarten to grade 12 education program is offered at Takijualuk School in Pond Inlet. As well, there is a student residence in Pond Inlet, the Samuel Angnetsiak residence, to accommodate senior secondary students from Grise Fiord, Resolute, Arctic Bay and Nanisivik. There is one other student residence in the Baffin, the Ukiivik student residence in Iqaluit, and a student home boarding program in Igloolik for senior secondary students from Hall Beach.

If a student were to be accommodated in Ukiivik residence from Pond Inlet, travel from Pond Inlet to Iqaluit, including one return trip home at Christmas, would cost approximately $2,190. In addition, there would be the cost of providing accommodation and meals in the residence. The total cost per student in the Baffin for providing travel to and from home, accommodation and meals can be estimated by averaging the total costs of operating the two residences and one home boarding program for each student receiving these services. The average cost of these services per student is $24,500.

Under the current policy and direction for senior secondary education, this does not mean, however, that $24,500 or any portion of that amount, is available to be contributed to any student in the Baffin to support their attendance at schools outside the Baffin region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Koe on Monday, November 29 regarding student loan agreements.

Students receiving student financial assistance from this government are required to sign a number of documents both in advance of receiving assistance and upon completion of their studies. The same forms are used for students attending post secondary education inside and outside the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I believe that's a return to a written question. We'll wait for the appropriate time on the order paper. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Ng .

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Question 222-12(4): Role Of Em&pr

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 525

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources . The current Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources has a staff of 24. This department used to be very small, but grew significantly in the past four years. It is difficult to determine what work is being done by the department or why it is structured the way it is. My question to the Minister is, is the department really an understudy, learning the role of the federal government in anticipation of being able to play the part after a transfer of responsibility to the GNWT?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister responsible for EM&PR, Madam Cournoyea.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the department carries a number of ongoing duties. To best express the role of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, it is not staffed to understudy. They actually take on a role in representing the

territorial government in the area of responsibility that we have. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Supplementary, at one time the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources was staffed primarily by oil and gas experts. The department now seems to have a mineral policy division with four people and a mineral development agreement division with six people. Can the Minister advise this House whether the department is, in fact, focusing more on mineral development, which are the pressing issues of the moment?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, that is true. We do have an agreement with the federal government which is a mineral development agreement. The department does a lot of work and has refocussed on the mineral development area, although we still do some work with oil and gas. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

For those staff who are geared toward mining activities, what are they doing to ensure northerners are involved in and have a fair share of the action in the mining developments?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, what I would provide for the Member, if he wishes, is the total make up of the department, and the goals and objectives. I could extensively go through each activity but it would be a rather long response. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Patterson .

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Question 223-12(4): Discussions With Federal Government Re Northern Energy Accord

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is also to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources . Mr. Speaker, I'm aware that the Minister and her staff have spent considerable time, probably over the last six years, working on the northern energy accord which focuses solely on oil and gas issues. I'm also aware that the progress on the agreement really was stalled and not concluded by the previous federal government.

My question is this, Mr. Speaker, given that there is now a new government in Ottawa which has been talking, very supportively, about completing the job of devolving responsibilities to the Northwest Territories -- we heard the Prime Minister make those very positive comments in the House -- what has the Minister and her government done to reopen discussions on the northern accord since the election of the new government?

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I believe that from the very first meeting with the Prime Minister, the outstanding issues were outlined to him. Although the housing issue and the health issues are the priorities that we would like to get off the table, the northern accord was also placed on the agenda of unresolved issues. The MP from Nunatsiak has also been given the same list of priorities, including the northern accord. The MP from the Western Arctic, Ms. Blondin, was also given the whole list and the issue of the northern accord.

As well, the deputy minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources has had a couple of meetings with officials from the government and Indian Affairs on trying to push the issue forward and resolve the outstanding areas of concern. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm happy to hear the matter is being treated as a priority and is being worked on. My question to the Premier and the Minister of Energy has to do with the content of the draft accord. Mr. Speaker, I believe that when the enabling agreement to negotiate the northern accord was signed in 1991, it very much focused on oil and gas. I think mining activities in those days were much lower than they are now, particularly exploration activities.

The draft accord, as I understand it, does not address mineral issues. So, my question to the Premier is, in working to resolve this issue of the northern energy accord, does our government plan to expand the accord to cover mineral responsibilities? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, as the Member knows, when we developed the northern accord, it was anticipated that the principles and the overall management could very well have the mineral activity attached to it. The principles and the organization was there. In a recent discussion with officials we talked about what could be in a mineral accord. There has been a draft of a potential mineral accord which has been floating around for a little while. It has been acknowledged as an area which we should pursue.

We've made it a point because of the concern of benefits accruing to northern residents, and the fact that we have done the work on what could be a mineral accord which is fashioned after an oil and gas accord. The normal process we envisage has to take into account deliberations with aboriginal groups, although a framework has been done already. The discussion, I believe, is taking place this week, or took place a few days ago, with the deputy Minister in Ottawa and officials, is how we can move forward with the devolution of minerals, as well. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I find that answer very enlightening and I'm sure the House will want to be informed, as developments occur, in light of the importance of this issue to this Assembly. Related to that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Premier another question. She has told this Assembly that a comprehensive mineral strategy was coming soon. I believe reference was made by the Premier on December 3. My question is, when will the comprehensive mineral strategy be tabled with this Assembly? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the paper is being translated. I thought I would have it today but, hopefully, it will be here tomorrow. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question 224-12(4): Changes In Em&pr To Focus On Mineral Development

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources , as well. Mr. Speaker, we have heard a lot about mineral exploration in the north. In Mr. Arngna'naaq 's statement today, he talked about how that holds great potential for his region and I think we see that potential throughout the Northwest Territories. I would like the Minister to advise the House, given the emerging importance of mineral areas in the Northwest Territories, how has the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources switched its focus to the future?

In particular, what sorts of activities have they undertaken to focus on mineral development and the future of that in the Northwest Territories?

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I can give a very long answer. We have been working with the mining industry for about two years. We have worked extensively with the Chamber of Mines. We have tried to make sure that, at every level, the Northwest Territories' interest is recognized and what is happening here should be supported. We have tried, at every level, to work with the aboriginal groups. For example, in the projection of future requirements of energy for mining operations, we have had several meetings with the mining industry over the last two years to try to get some framework on their requirements, how far along they are with their projects and the anticipation of when they will come on stream.

There is a great deal of apprehension with the mining companies because they have their permits issued from the federal government, that we will be overlooked as a jurisdiction. As a result, we try to spend our time creating goodwill and the fact that we should be the people who are involved, along with the aboriginal groups, to have our foot in the door first, so we may take an active role, not only in businesses, but also employment and in ownership as well. The Dogrib Nation has been a group of people who have stepped forward in terms of trying to identify where they can be involved in supplying energy to mineral development projects in this area.

We have tried to focus on the area where we have a mineral development agreement with the federal government. This was difficult to negotiate in terms of the allocation under the EDA on how much is available for mineral development, as opposed to how much is available for economic development. We have put a very strenuous effort in trying to make sure the geological surveys and the areas where we could identify as being potential areas for aboriginal groups in terms of selection of land. One of the important parts of aboriginal claims is what lands you select, sub-surface and surface.

There was a lot of work with aboriginal groups to try to get the work done so they would know where the highly potential areas are.

In terms of the TFN claim, they wanted to know where to select sites. We worked with that group over a number of years to develop the knowledge of their area so the site selections can be taken as part of their claims. All of the information we have been gathering, through the mineral development, geological surveys and information findings, has been presented as updated as possible to the aboriginal groups, so they can have a stakeholders' interest in those mineral developments. We have charted our course to try to make sure the stakeholders' interest gets developed in terms of selection of land.

In terms of working with the mining industry, I believe over the years, to have the mining industry acknowledge that the Northwest Territories residents should be the first they consult and deal with, has been a difficult task because they get their permits from elsewhere. But a great deal of work has been put in that area.

We have done an overview of the NWT operating mines, an overview of the 1993 NWT exploration and an overview of the 1993 diamond exploration projects. Those have been provided. With Mr. Antoine 's group of people we have done development in that area as well. They want to be involved with the development of the Praire Creek Mine.

So there is a tremendous amount of work, but it is exciting work. I think all of these issues can be planned around how people can be involved. We have done a number of assessments on hydroelectric potential for new mines. I presented this Legislative Assembly with a list -- or I can if you haven't got it -- of the hydro potential for new mines. This is work that has been carried out as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I would like to remind Members that broad, general questions often lead to long, comprehensive responses. Written questions are a more appropriate vehicle for some of the questions. I will also remind Ministers to try to keep their responses a bit more concise. Mr. Dent , supplementary.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

I thank the Minister for her comprehensive answer. I had expected just the highlights. I would like to focus in on one of the areas about which she spoke. She mentioned that the department has been working with mining companies for the past couple of years and I am interested in incentives for mining companies. In many other jurisdictions, governments have offered incentives to those involved in mineral exploration to do business and take up residence in communities which could benefit from the economic stimulation this would provide.

Specifically, I would like to know if any negotiations are currently under way or planned with those companies moving into the north, to encourage them to live, work and do business in the north, aside from the work being done in the area of transportation?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, this is an ongoing representation we make on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories. In supporting the mineral industry, there are certain areas we feel would be appropriate to support, in terms of feeding into the mining industry. We have taken the position, up to this point in time, that we are not supporting building of new towns, such as Pine Point or Nanisivik, where you have major infrastructure.

But, what we do support is, if it is a fly in and fly out, that, at all opportune times, we would offer support to the mineral industry to come into existing communities, particularly Yellowknife, and use that as a base; particularly in supply and services, or Hay River, or some of the areas which are established already. Recently, we have two of the mining companies who have established their offices in Yellowknife and other companies are also looking at how they can, once they have decided whether they are going into the development stage, utilize communities such as Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier, I think it was last week, in response to a question from the Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Speaker, the Premier indicated that discussion will start, in the near future, on the training package for the Colomac Mine. I am interested in finding out whether the government will be considering incentives to the company, in exchange for providing opportunities to northerners. Has the government agreed to provide any assistance, such as a winter road, to the owners of Colomac Mine, in return for hiring northern workers?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, we have not provided any commitment for any support, such as a winter road, or anything else, neither were we asked. We were mainly asked to deal with the community in terms of support, training programs, business opportunities, as we have been in the past. There was no request and we made no commitment. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is it the situation, that the government has no commitment from the owners of the mine to make use of people who have taken advantage of this training package?

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Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the mining industry's position is that, if people are trained and available, their first preference, indeed, would be to hire from the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Once again, my question is to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources , Mr. Speaker. Unlike 20 years ago, the exploration companies are aware of the impact of land claims on the work that they want

to do in the Northwest Territories. As a result, they are dealing directly with aboriginal organizations across the North. We have all heard, I am sure, about the trip which BHP has provided to about 30 people from the Dogrib area, with regard to looking at a mine in the south. In the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, they are expected to find expertise to deal knowledgeably with the exploration and mining companies.

I would like to ask the Minister, what type of expertise assistance is the department sharing with northern aboriginal organizations, to ensure that they are getting a fair deal as opposed to being offering trips which, at times, is perceived as a way of buy-off by these types of companies? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, first of all, the BHP trip was offered to the aboriginal group directly. What we did, before the trip, was to provide background information on the mineral industry and any informed knowledge that the group wanted. Our role is more to work with the groups in the Northwest Territories, but this was a specific offer by BHP, which they took up. However, as Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, responsible for trying to make sure we have as much involvement as possible, we do try to support the groups, upon request. Sometimes, we have requests for just general information.

Sometimes, we have requests to arrange meetings in support of them, when they are asking for meetings with various companies. When companies are coming into the Northwest Territories, we try to make sure that they not only meet with the Government of the Northwest Territories, but meet with the aboriginal groups, particularly in communities that are close to the area of exploration and development. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Just to follow up, Mr. Speaker, on Friday, December 3, 1993, in reply to an oral question from the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources , there was reference to transportation subsidies, to offset the cost of travel for workers living in the more remote areas and communities. How will this program be applied to either the employer or the employee in the territories? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, that particular response was in relationship to some of the difficulties we have had in the past where, whether it is the Department of National Defence and the DEW line or the oil and gas industry, the industry and the southern operators often find it very convenient to recruit in the south and either stage from Winnipeg into the communities, or from Edmonton or Montreal. They provide those transportation costs.

But, in the past and up to this time, they have been very reluctant to supply that same kind of transportation support from Iqaluit to Izok Lake, for example, or from Tuk to the DEW line site in Cambridge Bay. We have had a difficulty in the past. I think this is one of the discussions we are having, on how we can provide support to our working residents to get to those locations where there is work and how we promote that. We haven't come to any conclusion on that, but it is a question that has to be answered and it is an issue that has to be resolved. Thank you.

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Thebacha

Would the program, which is being developed, be applied to not only the workers, but specific communities, particularly the communities that are greatly affected by the mining industry development that is happening in the territories? Thank you.

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Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the position of the department and the government is that the first point of contact, benefit and opportunity, should be the immediate community around that development. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware that the Minister's department has apparently commissioned a study on the financial benefits to the GNWT as a result of the new mining jobs. I would like to ask the Minister when she anticipates the study will be completed? Thank you.

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Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I don't have that date. I thought I had it here. We're almost completed now, and I'll get back to the Minister and take that question as notice.

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