Territorial Parks Act, Health and Social Services — 31 October 2002 (14th Assembly, 6th Session, pp. 1–22)
2002-10-31, 14th Assembly 6th Session, pp. 1–22
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Oct. 31st, 2002
This is page numbers 1 - 22 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was federal .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Item 2: Opening Address
Fiscal Update
Joint Meeting Of Energy And Environment Ministers
Queen's Jubilee Medal Recipients
Devolution Negotiations
Improving The Health And Social Services System
Minister Absent From The House (kakfwi)
Sexual Exploitation And Child Pornography
Tribute To Michel Paper
Yellowknife Chamber Of Commerce
Passing Of Wally Ring
Best Wishes To Legislative Assembly Colleagues
Timing Of The Finance Minister's Fiscal Update
A Reasoned Approach To The Kyoto Protocol
Tribute To Jonas Kakfwi
Changes Required To Cabinet Authority And Accountability
Comments On The Kyoto Protocol
Comments On The Fiscal Outlook
Questionable Validity Of Impact Benefit Agreements
Attending Remembrance Day Services
Quality And Timing Of Information Received By Regular Members
Best Wishes For A Safe And Happy Halloween
Best Wishes To Constituents Of Inuvik Twin Lakes
Reflections On Remembrance Day
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Final GNWT Report To The Kyoto Protocol
Report On Ministerial Travel
Committee Report 1-14(6): Interim Report Of The Special Joint Committee On Non-tax-based Community Affairs
Committee Report 2-14(6): Preliminary Report On Doing Our Part, The GNWT Response To The Social Agenda Report
Tabled Document 1-14(6): NWT Health And Social Services Action Plan 2002-2005 Status Report, February-september 2002
Tabled Document 2-14(6); Queen's Golden Jubilee Medal Recipients
Tabled Document 3-14(6): Letter From The Norman Wells And District Chamber Of Commerce Regarding The Termination Of The NWT Power Corporation Board Of Directors
Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 12, 2002
Bill 1: Legal Registries Statutes Amendment Act
Bill 2:
An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act
Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 12, 2002
Bill 1: Legal Registries Statutes Amendment Act
Bill 2:
An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act
Bill 1: Legal Registries Statutes Amendment Act
Bill 2:
An Act To Amend The Territorial Parks Act
Item 16: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Roger Allen , Mr. Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Mr. Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Nr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Mr. Roland , Honourable Vince Steen , Honourable Tony Whitford .
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-- Singing of O Canada
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Please remain standing. I will invite our honoured chaplain, Major Karen Hoeft to say the opening prayer.
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
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Pastor Karen Hoeft
Shall we pray. Creator God, we stand before You today acknowledging that all good gifts come from You. We thank You for all that You have given to us; life, family, community, freedom. I pray that Your spirit would dwell in this room, that You will give wisdom and guidance to those people who serve the people of the Northwest Territories. That You will bring a unity that surpasses our own understanding in humanness. As we humbly work together for the good of the people and as we seek You and Your path for this Territory, that we will see the healing of Your people and Your land.
We ask these things in the name of the one who has given us life. Amen.
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Pastor Hoeft. I just want to remind Members that the national anthem that was sung today, our national anthem was sung in four of the several official languages of the Northwest Territories. It is a CD that we had commissioned for this year. We are very proud and pleased to open many occasions with it.
Colleagues, I understand that Her Honour, the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, is prepared to enter the Chamber to give the Opening Address. Mr. Clerk, would you please attend to and escort the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories into the Chamber.
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Item 2: Opening Address
Item 2: Opening Address
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Commissioner Of The Northwest Territories
Hon. Glenna Hansen
Please be seated. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Premier , Members of the Legislative Assembly, you are embarking on the final leg of your journey as elected representatives of the Northwest Territories.
Your work for the past three years has not been easy. It has challenged you to work together, to make strong decisions, to take tough stands and to set aside your differences and positions in the interest of the people that you represent. As a result, you have been successful in achieving many of the elements of your original vision.
You have established important partnerships such as the Intergovernmental Forum and the Aboriginal Summit that will guide your steps forward. You have opened the door to development of our non-renewable resources. You have invested in our Territory, our communities and our people to ensure that the benefits for this development will be fully realized and, in recent months, you have formally begun devolution talks with the federal government.
This week I have followed the events of your last session with great interest. I listened keenly to your comments in defence of consensus government and I was pleased yesterday with your decision to complete the mandate given to you by the people of the Northwest Territories.
Our Territory is on the brink of taking its place as a strong, unified and self-reliant leader in our nation.
As I prepare to open the Sixth Session of the 14th Legislative Assembly I would like to acknowledge the passing of three important pioneers in our region: Agnes Semmler, Florence Erasmus and D'Arcy Arden -- elders whose guidance, wisdom and leadership will be particularly missed.
First Agnes Semmler, who despite her many distinctions and awards was best known to us all as either Mom or Granny. Her life and work, particularly in the interests of aboriginal women, paved the way for many of us to follow in her footsteps. She was the first woman to be appointed Deputy Commissioner and the NWT's first woman Justice of the Peace. Her foundation of the Committee of Original People's Entitlement led in time to the establishment of the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation. Mrs. Semmler's passing earlier this month marked the conclusion of a full life of commitment, leadership and service in the Beaufort-Delta.
Florence Erasmus was another remarkable woman who also left behind a lifetime of extraordinary achievement. Her commitment to education and to the preservation of aboriginal cultures and languages will continue to be reflected in the lives and achievements of the many people she touched. We know that Florence's example and strong teachings will continue to be recognized in the upstanding conduct and leadership of her children and their families.
And finally I would like to pay tribute to D'Arcy Arden who truly epitomized the life of a northern pioneer. Mr. Arden was best known as a prospector, but accomplished much during his long and eventful life. As a young man he successfully bridged the gap between his traditional Metis heritage and the emerging new North and will be remembered by many for his willingness to serve the people of the Northwest Territories. He did so first as an RCMP special constable then, in later years, on a variety of public service boards.
I ask Members to share with me in a moment of silence for these elders, and to also remember at this time the folks of my home town of Aklavik who continue to heal from the tragic passing of Doug Irish, Larry Semmler and Charlie Meyook earlier this fall.
Many of you will take the time next month to attend Remembrance Day events in your community. I urge you to support these significant ceremonies and, in particular, the army and air cadet programs that figure greatly in them. This summer I had the pleasure to join many of these young men and women in Whitehorse for their annual cadet camp. I was very impressed by the highly intuitive, mature and enthusiastic character of these future leaders.
I have been equally impressed by the many students I have met through the NWT's Drug Abuse Resistance Education, or DARE, program. I had the occasion to address and congratulate many graduates of this cooperative community project.
Through these types of programs our youth are learning to take control of their own lives and in doing so can prepare the path for their future. It has been my pleasure and I will continue to be a part of these youth initiatives in the NWT.
In conclusion this afternoon, I would also like to take the occasion today to congratulate those residents of the NWT who have been identified to receive a Queen's Golden Jubilee medal. These medals are being awarded across Canada, in commemoration of Her Majesty's Golden Jubilee, to recognize extraordinary individual achievements and commitment. Together with Members of this Legislative Assembly, it has been my pleasure to nominate 149 NWT residents for this prestigious distinction. I understand Premier Kakfwi will provide more details on these awards later this afternoon.
Members, I ask you at all times to give your most earnest consideration and wise judgment in conducting the business of this Legislative Assembly. In this your final year I urge you in particular to seek out and maintain the unity and spirit that was so much a part of your vision for a better tomorrow. With it I am confident that you will see much of your work fall into place. I encourage you to stay the course.
As Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, I now declare the Sixth Session of the 14th Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories open. Thank you.
-- Applause
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Item 2: Opening Address
Item 2: Opening Address
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Please be seated. The Chair will now recognize the honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Steen .
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Item 2: Opening Address
Item 2: Opening Address
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a point of order.
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Item 2: Opening Address
Item 2: Opening Address
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. The honourable Member is rising on a point of order. Mr. Steen , what is your point of order?
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Item 2: Opening Address
Item 2: Opening Address
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, on the point of order, under Rule 23(
h) and 23(
j) yesterday in the House, Mr. Dent suggested during a Member's statement that I had misinformed the House and the public with responses to questions during the June 2002 sitting.
Mr. Speaker, I have not misinformed the House. In responses to questions asked by Mr. Dent on June 14th, 2002, I stated, "What is it costing annually? I do not know, Mr. Speaker, but I have been told it is the nature of $33 million."
Mr. Speaker, on June 17th, 2002, I stated during further questioning that the figure supplied was not recent and that I believed it had been prepared during the 13th Legislative Assembly. My responses to Mr. Dent 's questions were clearly qualified and as such could not possibly be construed as misleading the House.
I request that Mr. Dent 's remarks from yesterday be withdrawn. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 2: Opening Address
Item 2: Opening Address
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Steen . The Chair has heard your concern and takes it under advisement. Mr. Steen , the issue that you raised, while it may well of occurred, occurred in the last session and the last session is now in the history books. We have opened a new session. The earliest opportunity that you could have raised that was yesterday and you should have raised it yesterday. Therefore I will not allow the point of order in this new session. Therefore there is no point of order. Item 3, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Finance , Mr. Handley .
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Minister's Statement 1-14(6): Fiscal Update
Item 3: Ministers' Statements
Page 2
Joe Handley
Weledeh
Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to update Members and Northwest Territories residents on this government's fiscal position and outlook.
When I presented the budget in February, we were looking at a fairly positive short-term fiscal situation. Primarily because of a very large one-time corporate tax filing we had forecast a 2001-2002 year-end surplus of about $160 million and a deficit of about $12 million for the 2002-2003 fiscal year. Based on final public accounts for last year we realized a surplus of $120 million, not $160 million, for the last fiscal year. However, the largest change is in our current revenue and expenditure forecasts for 2002-2003 which suggest we are heading for a $104 million deficit for 2002-2003.
The decline in our short-term outlook can be attributed to several factors, primarily on the revenue side. Lower than expected population growth, as measured by Statistics Canada, and higher than expected provincial-local government tax effort have reduced our expected grant from Canada both for the 2002-2003 fiscal year and for prior years.
The resulting large prior year adjustments will affect our grant payments for this year. Although we are confident that our population figures will be corrected by the time the census adjustments are announced next year we must reflect the current official numbers in our revenue estimates. In addition, lower corporate income taxes and slightly higher expenditure projections have added to the forecast deficit.
Looking forward beyond the 2002-2003 fiscal year we continue to see revenue forecasts that are below our spending needs, although there has been a small improvement since the February budget forecast. Overall, however, our fiscal position for the four years from 2001-2002 to 2004-2005 has worsened by about $75 million from the budget projection.
In the February budget I explained that, unless we receive further one-time tax revenues, or increased federal investment, we would likely reach our government's borrowing limit of $300 million by late 2004-2005. Based on our current forecast of cash requirements, we estimate that this date will remain roughly the same. To avoid this we have only a few basic choices. Increase revenues and/or cut spending.
The original fiscal strategy laid out in the budget was based on three key assumptions:
• Economic development will continue;
• Northern governments will achieve devolution; and
• Northerners will benefit from resource development.
Based on these assumptions, we have maintained a strategy of making key investments to ensure Northerners benefit from development.
Mr. Speaker, although there has been some recent slowing in economic activity -- oil and gas exploration may be down from last winter's levels and the completion of the Snap Lake diamond mine is now estimated to be delayed by a year, the fundamentals of our economy are unchanged. The prospects for our resources remain extremely bright. We are still seeing high rates of employment, the highest in Canada, in fact. The first eight months of 2002 saw retail trade figures 14.5 percent higher than the same period last year, and wholesale trade 48 percent higher.
The Diavik diamond mine will begin shipping diamonds in February 2003. The Mackenzie Valley Producers Group is ready to file their preliminary information package.
What is missing from this equation is the federal government. The federal response to the opportunities of the Northwest Territories has been disappointing. Despite being told that our proposal for the Strategic Infrastructure Fund, Corridors for Canada, was the best submitted, we have been told by federal Infrastructure Minister, the Honourable Allan Rock, that the Northwest Territories allocation from the Strategic Infrastructure Fund will only be $20 million, the same as the other two territories.
We are frustrated that devolution negotiations, which seemed to be finally getting off the ground, are now being held up by the fact that the federal negotiator does not have a mandate to discuss the fiscal issues.
We are concerned that benefits to Northerners may be at risk as a result of federal inattention to the pipeline file. however, we are encouraged by the appointment last week of a federal representative, Mr. Roland Priddle, whose job it will be to help advance this project.
I met with the federal Finance Minister , the Honourable John Manley, several weeks ago, to raise a number of these issues. It was a productive meeting, and I am seeking a further meeting to follow up on our discussions. I am hopeful that Mr. Manley will be able to address some of our fiscal concerns, especially in light of the positive fiscal outlook Mr. Manley outlined for Canadians yesterday. I am also seeking a meeting with Mr. Rock to explain why his offer will not meet the Northwest Territories' objectives for infrastructure investment.
Although we must continue to aggressively pursue federal investment, we are also looking for ways we can reduce our spending and increase our revenues. We must not, however, jeopardize our long-term social and economic objectives. I will of course expand on this in much more detail in the February 2003 budget.
The potential wealth that will be created from the development of the Northwest Territories' vast resources and the fiscal return that that development will generate are huge. I still believe that our long-term strategy of making investments to prepare for and manage that development so that Northerners reap the maximum benefits is the right one. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
-- Applause
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Minister's Statement 1-14(6): Fiscal Update
Item 3: Ministers' Statements
Page 3
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 3, Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Minister's Statement 2-14(6): Joint Meeting Of Energy And Environment Ministers
Item 3: Ministers' Statements
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, on Monday I met with fellow federal, provincial and territorial Energy and Environment Ministers in Halifax to discuss Canada's approach to addressing climate change. Federal Environment Minister David Anderson and Natural Resources Minister Herb Dhaliwal outlined the key elements of the federal plan for meeting Canada's Kyoto greenhouse gas emission target. This meeting was the first opportunity for provincial and territorial Ministers to get clarification on these key elements and to discuss the need for further consultations with Canadians.
I would like say a few words on what this plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions means to the residents of the Northwest Territories. First, Canada assured us that there will be an increasing need for natural gas and a Mackenzie Valley pipeline in a Kyoto world. Second, Canada recognizes that there will be costs for programs to reduce emissions and is prepared to make funding available in a phased approach over the next 10 years. Third, in the words of the federal government, the results of their economic analysis indicate that the overall economic impact is modest.
However, the cost to this government and northern business of taking actions to meet Canada's emission reduction obligations remains largely unknown. In the North we are already paying for the cost of a changing climate. For example, winter resupply seasons have shortened and the melting permafrost is affecting building and road foundations. We have been assessing the federal government's economic forecasts of impacts. With the release of these key elements we can complete our assessment.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report that all Ministers agree climate change is a challenge that must be addressed. Ministers further agreed to, once again, work together to develop a truly national implementation plan. Over the next three weeks officials will revise the federal framework to address deficiencies and develop a national plan that fits within the principles agreed to by the provinces and territories. We remain confident that Canada can meet its emission reduction target within the time frame set out by Kyoto.
In Halifax, I stressed that the plan must protect our economic interests while striving to improve them. It must reassure businesses by reducing uncertainty. Minister Dhaliwal confirmed that the federal government has the same objectives.
Energy and Environment Ministers agreed to meet again in late November to review the national implementation plan. Meanwhile, in New Delhi, Canada will lead discussions on the next phase of the Kyoto Protocol that will bring developing countries under the agreement to reduce their emissions.
Mr. Speaker, the people of the Northwest Territories agree that we must address climate change. As a territory we are developing an energy strategy and greenhouse gas strategy to control our emissions of greenhouse gases. Northerners cannot deal with climate change alone. We need all Canadians to be engaged and our preference is that a national plan is developed within the context of the global Kyoto Protocol. Mahsi.
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Minister's Statement 2-14(6): Joint Meeting Of Energy And Environment Ministers
Item 3: Ministers' Statements
Page 4
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 3, Ministers' statements. The Honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Minister's Statement 3-14(6): Queen's Jubilee Medal Recipients
Item 3: Ministers' Statements
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, later today I will be tabling a list naming those residents of the Northwest Territories who were nominated by the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories and by the Government of the Northwest Territories and who have been selected to receive a Queen's Golden Jubilee commemorative medal.
I would like to congratulate these medal recipients who will learn today by this announcement that they have been chosen to receive this prestigious award. I would also like to congratulate all other residents of the Northwest Territories who have been nominated by various government and non-government agencies to receive this award.
The Golden Jubilee Medal of Queen Elizabeth the Second commemorates the 50th anniversary of Her Majesty's reign as Queen of Canada. It is an award of distinction, which is part of the Canadian Honours system. It is being bestowed on 46,000 Canadians, from all walks of life, who have distinguished themselves through their achievements or who have made an outstanding contribution to their fellow citizens, their communities or Canada.
The creation of the Queen's Jubilee Medal was announced earlier this year by the Governor General of Canada. Partners from various organizations across Canada were invited to propose the names of candidates for the medal. These partner organizations include: federal, provincial and territorial governments; national professional, educational and cultural organization; the military and the RCMP; veterans groups; sports associations and charitable organizations.
Mr. Speaker, 149 residents of the Northwest Territories were nominated by the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories and the Government of the Northwest Territories. Regrettably their names are too numerous to mention here individually. However, their collective accomplishments have done much to enrich the lives of all people of the Northwest Territories. They have distinguished themselves through their accomplishments in a variety of areas including literacy, the arts, athletics, community leadership, public service and volunteerism, to name a few.
Each recipient will receive a commemorative medal struck by the Canadian Mint and a certificate bearing the recipient's name. In the interest of ensuring that all nominees receive their medals before the end of the Jubilee Year, I will be personally advising recipients of their awards in writing and indicating who nominated them.
Mr. Speaker, all residents of the Northwest Territories who have been nominated to receive a Queen's jubilee medal were chosen because their contributions to their communities and to the Northwest Territories have made an impression upon others. They have provided a valuable contribution to NWT society, and it is my great pleasure to honour them for their achievements. Thank you.
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Minister's Statement 3-14(6): Queen's Jubilee Medal Recipients
Item 3: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Premier . Item 3, Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Minister's Statement 4-14(6): Devolution Negotiations
Item 3: Ministers' Statements
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I would like to provide an update on the status of devolution negotiations which commenced on September 20, 2002, in Inuvik.
Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories, the Aboriginal Summit and the federal government are parties to the formal negotiations. An aggressive agenda was set with the objective of having a framework agreement within 12 months. The framework agreement is expected to identify and address issue areas, with the parameters laid out in relation to the resolution off any outstanding issues.
The parties have agreed to meet monthly as a main table and to establish side tables and working groups on specific subject matters such as contaminated sites and environmental liabilities and human resources.
Mr. Speaker, we believe that NWT governments have similar interests in relation to devolution. Together we recognize that control of our natural resources belongs with NWT residents, as do the benefits from the development of our resources. We have begun and expect to continue working closely with the Aboriginal Summit to achieve these interests and reach a deal that benefits the Territory as a whole.
The most difficult issue will be the degree to which NWT governments and their constituents will benefit from assuming the new responsibilities for the management of natural resources and from sharing resource revenues. This degree of benefit is referred to as the net fiscal benefit and is one of the critical areas of negotiations for NWT governments. There is little point in receiving the resource revenues if Canada then takes them back through other financing arrangements with NWT governments.
I spoke about the negotiation of the net fiscal benefit in the Legislative Assembly last week during question period. I expressed concern about the negotiation process with respect to the net fiscal benefit. As one party to the negotiations, we view the net fiscal benefit as an integral part of the devolution negotiations process that must be reflected in the devolution transfer agreement.
We understand that the federal government wishes to separate the net fiscal benefit negotiations from the devolution negotiations, which includes the collection of resource revenues and how they will be shared within the NWT as separate processes. This is largely because the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs is responsible for the devolution aspect of the negotiations while the federal Department of Finance has ultimate responsibility for the net fiscal benefit that would accrue to NWT governments.
I am encouraged from a recent meeting that Minister Handley and I had with Finance Minister Manley that he understands the importance of a net fiscal benefit and also that federal negotiators and departments need to work in close coordination and cooperation.
However, we cannot stress enough that these two parts of the puzzle have clear and critical linkages for NWT governments. Managing our natural resources and collecting and sharing resource revenues by NWT governments means little without ensuring that we keep a fair net fiscal benefit in the NWT -- a benefit that takes the needs of our governments into consideration -- a benefit that allows us to encourage more development while also managing the increased costs on programs and services, which resource development brings.
Mr. Speaker, all parties agreed to a devolution process that includes devolution, resource revenue sharing and a fair net fiscal benefit through the Memorandum of Intent for Devolution and Resource Revenue Sharing agreed to in Inuvik in May of 2001. I am fully confident that Canada will honour all of these commitments once it sorts out its administrative approach to these negotiations.
Mr. Speaker, I look forward to providing regular updates to the Members of this Legislative Assembly on the progress of negotiations over the next year. Mahsi.
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Minister's Statement 4-14(6): Devolution Negotiations
Item 3: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Premier . Item 3, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Minister's Statement 5-14(6): Improving The Health And Social Services System
Item 3: Ministers' Statements
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our health is one of the most important issues to all Northerners, and it is often an emotional one, as it directly affects our quality of life and that of our family, children, elders and friends. The people of the NWT need to have the confidence and comfort knowing that the necessary health and social service supports will continue to be available, when needed.
Today, I would like to take the opportunity to provide an update on actions the department and authorities are taking to address these issues.
In February of this year I brought together the leadership of the health and social services system to begin work on 45 actions to improve the overall management and delivery of services to NWT people. These actions, summarized in the Health and Social Services System Action Plan reflect recommendations made to the department, past Ministers and this government in public consultations and system-wide reviews over the past few years. The department and authorities join me in saying this is an ambitious plan with ambitious timelines, but will result in immediate and long-lasting improvements to our system.
However, the litmus test for me, Mr. Speaker, is that this action plan continues to be as relevant today as it was eight months ago - which has been reinforced as I continue to meet directly with residents and health care staff across the North to hear their concerns.
When I became Minister, almost a year ago, I committed to visit every community in the NWT to meet with the leaders, community members and front-line staff, to listen to their health and social services concerns. To date I have visited all but three communities, which I intend to visit in the next few weeks.
In every community I have seen and heard that we have dedicated staff providing high quality health and social services to NWT residents. The frontline workers doctors, nurses, social workers, allied health professionals and support staff -- are the backbone of the NWT health and social services system. Their continued dedication and service, often going the extra mile, is greatly appreciated.
However, I have also heard that there is more that we should be doing to improve the delivery of health and social services, and to recruit, retain and support staff. I recognize there are immediate problems that must be addressed.
Mr. Speaker, one of the commitments I made is to provide regular reporting on our progress. The status report to be tabled this afternoon does just that - it reports on the activities and accomplishments during the first seven months of implementation of the action plan. The department and authorities, in consultation with professional organizations and stakeholders, have been working non-stop on the implementation of the plan. By March 2003 we will have completed just over half of the 45 action items.
In addition to the specific tasks in the action plan the department and authorities have continued to work on many initiatives that were previously in progress, as well as giving attention to urgent issues, in response to concerns from residents and Members of this House.
Significant progress has and will continue to be made in the months to come. Several key actions and initiatives will be finalized for review and discussion in the weeks ahead. Highlights include:
• an action plan outlining activities to strengthen programs and services available to seniors was approved and is in the process of being implemented;
• along with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment we are continuing to work with our partners on the implementation of the Early Childhood Development Action Plan to achieve the vision that the NWT will be a place where children are born healthy and raised in safe and respectful families and communities which support them in developing to their fullest potential;
• a Retention and Recruitment Plan for Allied Health Care Professionals, Nurses and Social Workers, to address the immediate and longer term staffing shortages, will be finalized in early November 2002, to be shared with the public soon after;
• a framework for an Integrated Services Delivery Model has been developed with initial action plans to be finalized in early November 2002 for;
- Addictions and Mental Health Services
- Continuing Care Services
• a Discussion Paper for the review of Supplementary Health Benefits is being finalized for public consultation and review in November 2002.
Some of the changes to the system, such as the development of an integrated service delivery model, requires that we examine fundamental questions about how health and social services are delivered in the NWT, the types of front-line professionals in the system, how do they provide services and in what setting. The work requires that we challenge current norms of service delivery in order to eliminate the stovepipes in service delivery that exist and it may, in some instances, redefine roles and responsibilities within the team of service providers.
These changes will require careful consideration and consultation, and we will all have to work together to make difficult choices and decisions.
Mr. Speaker, we have not completed all tasks on time. Some adjustments to timelines have had to be made because of financial constraints. And some adjustments have been required to ensure appropriate consultation and involvement with stakeholders. The status report presents revised time lines that takes into consideration these factors. I look forward to questions and requests for additional information from Members on this status report. It s a priority that all NVVT residents and this House are kept informed of our progress.
Improving the NWT health and social services system is a campaign on many fronts. It requires that we stay the course to make the necessary improvements to ensure the long-term sustainability of the health and social services system, while recognizing that issues arise that require our immediate attention as well.
Mr. Speaker. the people of the Northwest Territories are our greatest resource. Continuing development of the North, whether it is social, economic or political development is dependent upon the strength of our northern community. The programs and services delivered by the health and social services authorities, and the many non-government organizations, are an essential part of our social safety net, enabling Northerners to be healthy and self-reliant, to fully participate in the opportunities that the North provides. Thank you Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 5-14(6): Improving The Health And Social Services System
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Minister's Statement 6-14(6): Minister Absent From The House (kakfwi)
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Jim Antoine will be absent from the House today to attend to a personal matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 3: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Premier . Item 3, Ministers' statements. Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .
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Sexual Exploitation And Child Pornography
Item 4: Members' Statements
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Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I recently met with some of my constituents and they brought to my attention a very disturbing issue; that being the issue of sexual exploitation in Canada.
Mr. Speaker, for several years, a number of concerned Canadians -- this group is called CASE, Canadians Addressing Sexual Exploitation -- has been requesting a change in the age of consent law. In 1987, Mr. Speaker, the Conservative government reduced the age of consent for sexual activity from 18 to 14, and the Liberal government has apparently made no attempt to change this law, or to restore it.
Another area of grave concern, Mr. Speaker, is the issue of child pornography and the exploitation of children. Mr. Speaker, upon doing research of this extremely important topic, I learned that there are 23,000 pedophile websites available on the Internet. I was shocked, Mr. Speaker, and it is disgusting.
Mr. Speaker, it is legal for an adult of any age to engage in sexual activity with a 14-year-old child. As a father of four children, this upsets me deeply. Mr. Speaker, the consumption of pornography can lead to destroyed marriages and the breakdown of the family unit, sexual violence, rape, teenage pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, to name a few. The effects on society are many.
This is an issue, Mr. Speaker, of public health and safety. As a society, we can no longer afford to ignore the issue and hope that it will just go away.
This year's WRAP campaign, Mr. Speaker, which stands for White Ribbon Against Pornography, was held from October 20th to the 27th. Mr. Speaker, I was extremely proud at church this past Sunday in Hay River when a large white ribbon was signed by 75 members of our congregation in support of this year's white ribbon campaign.
Mr. Speaker, the Catholic Women's League of Hay River will be forwarding this white ribbon to the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew in order that she may present it to her colleagues in Ottawa. To this end, Mr. Speaker, I would like my colleagues to join me in speaking out against child pornography and sexual exploitation. I encourage all Members to contact...
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Mr. Delorey , the time for your Member's statement has ended. Mr. Delorey , you have the floor.
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Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Item 4: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Member's statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Delorey , you may conclude your statement.
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Sexual Exploitation And Child Pornography
Item 4: Members' Statements
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Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. To this end, Mr. Speaker, I would like my colleagues to join me in speaking out against child pornography and sexual exploitation. I encourage all Members to contact Ms. Ethel Blondin-Andrew and voice their strong opposition to this disturbing law.
In addition, Mr. Speaker, if members of the public would like further information on this very important issue, they can contact me at my constituency office in Hay River and I would be pleased to provide them with contact numbers for the organization, Canadians Addressing Sexual Exploitation.
Mr. Speaker, the Catholic Women's League passed a resolution at their national convention to eradicate child pornography. I completely support them in their stance against child pornography.
Mr. Speaker, I came across a very moving saying on the Canadians Addressing Sexual Exploitation's website, and I would like to repeat it in this House. Mr. Speaker, it says: "By remaining silent, we become part of the problem. By speaking out with pen and voice, we become part of the solution." I could not agree more, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Delorey . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .
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Tribute To Michel Paper
Item 4: Members' Statements
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Joe Handley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great honour today to respect and recognize Mr. Michel Paper, an elder from Detah, and his granddaughter Rosalie, who is with him. Rosalie is two or three years old and helped pass out poppies in the gallery, I noticed.
Michel, whose wife passed away last year, has one son, Frankie Paper and two grandchildren. Michel retired from the Department of Public Works and Services after working for 20 years as a surveyor. He says that he surveyed all the highways and community roads in the Northwest Territories, and even in Nunavut. Michel is a strong support of the Yellowknife Dene First Nation leadership. He attends many, if not all, of their meetings. He is also a member of the Elders advisory council for Detah.
Michel is always positive, Mr. Speaker, and gentle in his approach with people. I have never heard him say a mean-spirited word about anyone, but takes on issues in stride.
One interesting thing I have noticed with Michel is that he cares for two young grandchildren. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Paper is 89 years old. He cares for two young grandchildren, often by himself, and I think he sets a good example for many of us of the importance of the extended family in looking after our young people where parents are in situations where they cannot do it themselves.
Mr. Paper would have driven his truck here today. I know he washes his truck every day. He has been seen at the Yellowknife River bridge washing his truck. He has been seen in Detah washing it. He is a meticulous man.
As MLA for Weledeh, I am grateful that I have people like Michel to guide me. His encouragement is uplifting and his wisdom is invaluable. I want to take this opportunity to thank Michel for his support and guidance and wish him and his family the very best. Thank you.
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Tribute To Michel Paper
Item 4: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Mahsi, Mr. Handley . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .
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Yellowknife Chamber Of Commerce
Item 4: Members' Statements
Page 7
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I would like today to acknowledge today a community organization that commenced its existence 56 years ago. That is older than most of us in this Assembly, Mr. Speaker. The Yellowknife Board of Trade, today known as the Yellowknife Chamber of Commerce, Mr. Speaker, is one of the foundations of this community. They are volunteers, citizens, employers of businesses large and small that all get together to help make our communities work.
Today, there are more than 400 members involved in the Yellowknife Chamber of Commerce. A week ago, with their president, Dave McPherson, they hosted their 56th Annual General Meeting and President's Banquet. At the time, some of the Chamber's accomplishments over the past year were observed.
Mr. Speaker, the Spring Trade Show was attended by more than 10,000 people. The Chamber is going to host its first Christmas Trade Show in November of this year. The Chamber, Mr. Speaker, is a not-for-profit organization. It is funded entirely by its members. It does not get government dollars. It is the voice of the Yellowknife business community.
Governance for the Chamber is provided by a volunteer board. Many of them are in the gallery today. I will be introducing them later on. They give hours of service, and beyond their own contribution, Mr. Speaker, I think we should acknowledge the willingness of their businesses and their partners, for these people to give their time and their resources. I think it is fitting today, Mr. Speaker, that they were here to listen to the Finance Minister 's fiscal update, because it is this kind of involvement and participation that I as an MLA need to do my job.
At their annual meeting, the Chamber honoured a number of outstanding Yellowknife businesses. The Business of the Year award, Mr. Speaker, went to the Yellowknife Direct Charge Co-op, owned by some 3,000 Yellowknife residents. The Businessperson of the Year was awarded posthumously to Karl Lust, of Johnson's Building Supplies. The Mike Piro Award went to Cold Mountain Computing, and I congratulate these businesses for their accomplishments.
Mr. Speaker, a number of Yellowknife Chamber members are also involved in the northern coalition, which is going to be going to Ottawa next week, to lobby on behalf of the whole Territories' future. I congratulate them and wish them luck in the coming year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Yellowknife Chamber Of Commerce
Item 4: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Passing Of Wally Ring
Item 4: Members' Statements
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my statement today, I would like to pay tribute to the memory of a prominent and long-time resident of Hay River, who passed away in the early hours of yesterday morning. Wally Ring had just celebrated his 75th birthday, but complications from a stroke last Thursday took his life a few short days later. Wally Ring was born in Neudorf, Saskatchewan. As a young man, he moved to Uranium City, where he met his wife, Marlene, who was a nurse there at the time. Wally and Marlene were married in 1961, and the same year moved to Fort Smith. This is where they opened their first pharmacy, which today, 40 years later, is still called Wally's Drugs.
Two years later in 1963 Marlene and Wally moved to Hay River and moved a second pharmacy called Ring's Drugstore. They first opened in the old town in the Hay River Hotel, a few years later moved to the Ptarmigan Inn, and in 1971 relocated their store to its present location today.
As a long-time resident of Hay River commented to me today, no Saturday afternoon trip downtown was complete without a stop at the local drugstore. Wally Ring was a part of that Hay River culture and greeted everyone with warmth when they came into his store.
Wally was a very quiet man, he never liked to be the front person, which does not mean he was not a leader in his own right. He organized many Hay River community activities including Ookpik carnivals in the old day and many Kiwanis activities throughout the years.
Wally was recognized as an honourary lifetime member of the Hay River Kiwanis Club and was a special guest at the Kiwanis 25th Anniversary celebrations just last year. He was also a long-time member of the Hay River Chamber of Commerce and a well-respected member of the Hay River business community. He was an avid fan of curling and travelled to destinations around the world to take in curling events.
He was a man of few words who did not share his politics or his opinions all that freely, but it was a quiet friendliness that earned him the respect of the people he served and lived with. His children now run the family business. His eldest son Larry is now the town pharmacist and the tradition of the Rings continues.
Wally's passing is a very sad loss for Hay River. On behalf of my colleague from Hay River North, Mr. Paul Delorey and myself, I would like to express our sincere condolences to Marlene, Larry, Les and Gail and their families.
As friends and family will gather to share the memory of Wally Ring on Saturday afternoon, I know it will be a time of reflection of a man whose kindness and generosity touched the entire community of Hay River over a period of almost 40 years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Passing Of Wally Ring
Item 4: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Indeed condolences go to the Ring family. As a matter of fact, Mr. Ring was one of the members that nominated me for town council back in the 1961 election that I won at the time. Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Best Wishes To Legislative Assembly Colleagues
Item 4: Members' Statements
Page 8
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, after today we will be going into extended adjournment until February which is well over three months. In that interim period we will not gather as an Assembly. As well, during that period there are going to be a number of very important events and holidays. As I am not going to see some of my colleagues I just wanted to take this opportunity to wish all my colleagues a safe three and a half months and that they enjoy fully all the opportunities that have to do with their families and friends in the coming holiday season.
When we gather in February we will rejoin the debate on many issues as an Assembly working to conclude the final months of our mandate. I just want to take this opportunity, because I will as well be going home tomorrow for a couple of days, I think it is important as we leave here that we do this, recognizing that we will be back and that we have lots of good work to do together in the next year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Best Wishes To Legislative Assembly Colleagues
Item 4: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .
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Timing Of The Finance Minister's Fiscal Update
Item 4: Members' Statements
Page 8
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the financial update given by the Minister of Finance , I find it kind of odd, the timing of the financial update coming in, knowing that we just adjourned the Fifth Session and now we are into the Sixth Session. Mr. Speaker, this information should have been released as soon as we realized we had over $100 million deficit, to the public of the Northwest Territories to make them aware of the financial situation we are in as a Government of the Northwest Territories.
I for one, Mr. Speaker, have seen what a deficit can do to a government by the major cuts that we had to put in place during the 13th Assembly. Mr. Speaker, for myself the deficit is a serious matter and should be dealt with by informing the public of the financial situation we are in.
Yet, Mr. Speaker, there are still other major capital expenditures that are in place as we are finding out through this government process. A jail facility that was constructed for $35 million is now $50 million, $15 million over budget and it is not even off the ground yet.
Mr. Speaker, there are major expenditures taking place in this government which is adding to the deficit of this government. Mr. Speaker, I for one feel offended that we did not release this information sooner to the public of the Northwest Territories during the sitting of the Fifth Session so they could have gotten the full picture of what the financial situation of this government is, especially in regard to how expenditures have been handled within this government.
Mr. Speaker, I think it is important that we do take our deficit seriously. That we do not continue the spending practices that we have, where we are spending knowing that we are facing our debt wall. We have a $300 million debt wall. Our idea is, let's go back to Ottawa and get them to increase the debt wall so we can spend more money. For myself, that is not good governance. We are responsible for the public purse, the public expenditures and the dollars that we receive from Ottawa.
Yet, Mr. Speaker, as we can see here in the House today, we have a lot of things on the go, but when it comes to initiatives with regard to the reports that are put forward, social agendas, how we are going to deal with our social problems, what we hear back is "sorry, there is no money." Yet the spending spree of this government continues to go on.
With that, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Finance questions on this matter later.
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Timing Of The Finance Minister's Fiscal Update
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .
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A Reasoned Approach To The Kyoto Protocol
Item 4: Members' Statements
Page 9
Charles Dent
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was pleased today when the Premier made a statement on the Kyoto accord. I had hoped that we would have an opportunity to spend some more time discussing that issue during this session and unfortunately, because we do not have committee of the whole today, we are not going to be able to.
I would like to speak about the Kyoto accord. I have to say that after living almost 30 years in the North I accept that climate change is happening, we can see the evidence here. Statistics verify that, and personal observations are confirming that.
I see milder winters, degradation of permafrost, shorter seasons for ice roads, and I know that has had an important economic impact on the North. With the reduction of permafrost, our changing permafrost and shorter winters we will see reduced exploration for oil and gas. There will be a shorter time for mining companies to get in supplies.
Obviously, Mr. Speaker, if we do nothing there will be a cost. On the face of it, a target of reduced emissions of 6 percent below 1990 levels does not sound too unreasonable. I think it is a target that most Northerners will likely support on the understanding that they will not have to pay disproportionately to achieve it.
Mr. Speaker, that is the frustration though. The lack of detail in the federal plan to implement the accord. As the Minister said today, the cost to this government and northern businesses of taking action to meet Canada's emission reduction obligations remains largely unknown.
So like most Canadians, I am at a disadvantage when trying to discuss the cost implications for my neighbours and me. The federal government, in cooperation with provincial and territorial governments, needs to present better documented costing estimates in order for the discussion to be meaningful. We should not be rushing into affirming the accord, it is much too important. We need to take the time to develop a plan so that people know the cost of action compared to the costs of not acting.
The bottom line, for me, I support doing something. But let's make sure that the costs to Northerners are fair and reasonable. Let's tell the federal government that we agree we need to do something about climate change, but let's also tell them that we expect to see a more detailed plan that Northerners and indeed all Canadians can discuss before simply adopting the Kyoto accord. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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A Reasoned Approach To The Kyoto Protocol
Item 4: Members' Statements
Page 9
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Tribute To Jonas Kakfwi
Item 4: Members' Statements
Page 9
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to speak today of a member of my community and my family in Fort Good Hope, Jonas Kakfwi who is also sitting in the gallery today. Jonas is an elder, a former trapper and for many years served as a janitor in the community of Fort Good Hope. His strongest and most enduring contribution is in fact, for 30 years or more, he was the lead and main fiddle player for the community of Fort Good Hope. One of his outstanding achievements is having learned to play the church organ at the age of 12, under a former member who is long deceased, Eddie Cook.
For 57 years, Jonas has been going to church, leading the church, playing the organ and being the lead singer. He is still going strong. I just wanted to recognize my uncle. Thank you.
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Tribute To Jonas Kakfwi
Item 4: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . I hope we will have a chance to recognize him when item 5 comes on. It is nice to see some of the seniors visiting us. Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .
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Item 4: Members' Statements
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Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past few days, we have had a lot of discussion about our government; how it is not working, because people are not following the policies and procedures that are in place. It is now time to move forward. It is time to focus on the structures of this government and how productive choices can be made that will benefit this Assembly and future Assemblies.
Mr. Speaker, our government consists of the Premier , the Ministers, the Regular Members and, of course, the thousands of members of the public service. Mr. Speaker, as MLAs, we go to the Ministers with concerns and sometimes, nothing happens. An option for us has been to go to the Premier and ask for his assistance. Well, Mr. Speaker, personally, I would like to tell the House that when you go to the Premier , he simply directs us back to the Minister. It becomes a merry-go-round, Mr. Speaker. Nothing is addressed. Meanwhile, the department staff are running the show.
Mr. Speaker, we were elected in this Assembly to provide direction for the Territories. We were elected to be decision-makers. We created a working plan to establish much-needed services and programs in the Territories. Because of the lack of accountability by Ministers to Regular Members and by department staff to their Minister, it is very hard to achieve progress on initiatives. Ministers are powerless to discipline their staff, and they do not even hire them, Mr. Speaker. They are appointed by the Premier and answer to the Premier . There is no loyalty by departmental staff to the Minister running their department. They are loyal to the person who can give them the golden handshake.
Mr. Speaker, in
section 16(1) of the Public Service Act, it specifically states that the Commissioner and Executive Council, on the recommendation of the Premier , has exclusive right and authority to appoint persons to the position of deputy minister in the public service. Right now, the Premier is the head of government and, as such, is ultimately accountable for the practices of government.
Whenever something goes wrong, all fingers point to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, we need to make changes in our policies so that the Ministers are held accountable for their departments and staff, if this is to work.
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Mr. Lafferty , the time for your Member's statement has ended. Mr. Lafferty .
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Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Member's statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Lafferty .
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Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If this is to work, the Ministers have to be given the authority to hire their own department heads and deputy ministers.
Mr. Speaker, we need to make changes to the Public Service Act and, as Ministers are responsible for the management and direction of the public service, it is only fair that their preferences for their own department heads be considered.
A close working relationship is needed between the Ministers and the department heads, and also the Ministers with the Regular MLAs if we are to function effectively as a government.
Mr. Speaker, by acknowledging the wishes of the Minister for their own staff and their own authority to hire them, I think we would be building a stronger government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Tony Whitford
Mahsi. Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .
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Comments On The Kyoto Protocol
Item 4: Members' Statements
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to make my Member's statement on the Kyoto, but first I would like to acknowledge Halloween today -- happy Halloween, Mr. Speaker, and to all the children out there. I know Halloween is for the children. In that respect, I would like to acknowledge and support the Member's statement by the Member for Hay River North .
Mr. Speaker, Kyoto is a reality. It is a reality for us in Canada. It is a reality that the Prime Minister of Canada intends to introduce, whether Canadians approve it or not. However, Mr. Speaker, I do have some questions. I have been to Halifax with Minister Antoine . I was party to the discussions at the provincial level in the discussions with Minister Anderson and Minister Dhaliwal. We did get assurances that the Mackenzie Valley pipeline would not adversely be affected.
In fact, the energy sources that we have in the Northwest Territories, such as natural gas and hydro, would be good, as they would be considered clean energy, or green energy, in the Kyoto world. I think that gives us some leverages to use to negotiate as much as we can, so that we are not adversely affected here in the North.
I agree that we need a national plan so that it could be managed at the national level, but to come up with a national plan right off the bat would be similar to asking the European Union to come up with one, recognizing the fact that we do have such a diverse and huge country. The needs of Quebec are different than the needs of Alberta. The needs of the Northwest Territories are different than the needs of Nova Scotia, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, as individuals, we are going to be asked to reduce our emissions that we personally bring into the environment by one mega-ton. In southern Canada, that represents about a 20 percent reduction in what we use now. In northern Canada, I would assume that is at least 30 percent. Mr. Speaker, that is going to be asking a lot of us, especially in our environment, in our cold climate, where fossil fuel is such a...we are so dependent on that fuel product. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Tony Whitford
Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Member's statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude, Mr. Nitah .
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Canada's plan is out there. I have reviewed it. It is a basis, but it has a long ways to go, I believe, Mr. Speaker. It is full of generalizations and innuendoes. The provinces have a real problem with it.
However, Mr. Speaker, the provinces and the Canadian people recognize that we must do something on greenhouse gases, because we are the third largest producers of greenhouse gas emitters per capita.
However, Mr. Speaker, we have to ask ourselves, what is that going to mean to our economy? In the North, it looks good, but what does it mean for the individual. Does it mean higher costs at the gas pumps? Higher costs for your home heating and electricity bills? I think it will. I think there are some assumptions made that we have to figure out.
I am glad we are developing an energy strategy and greenhouse gas controlling mechanism, but we should do that fairly soon, if we are going to influence the final agreement that is going to be signed by Canada.
Minister Anderson had indicated that Canada would know more on the effects of the greenhouse gas emissions once they submit the federal budget in February. I encourage our government to hold off on agreeing to a protocol agreement on the Kyoto until the federal government submits the budget so we can have a better understanding of what the impact is. It will not give us absolute certainty but, Mr. Speaker, with a little more information, I think Northerners will be more than likely to take that leap of faith, eventually, that is going to be required by all Canadians and the world on Kyoto. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I will be asking some questions for the Premier on this. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Mahsi, Mr. Nitah . The Chair was a little flexible in your numbers of topics. I noticed that there were three different items. The Chair noticed and will deduct them from your next Member's statements in February.
-- Laughter
Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake .
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Comments On The Fiscal Outlook
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to speak on one of the Minister's statements. It was a little difficult as I sat here, there was a flurry of Minister's statements that came across, being the last day that we will be in this forum it is disappointing that we will not have a chance to do many questions on this area, but sometimes Cabinet has a well-oiled machine and they seem to have gotten the timing right on the last day, the last chance to ask some questions.
My concern is around the fiscal update, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we were just informed by the Minister's own words that over a year ago we were predicting a surplus of $160 million and now we are looking at a deficit of $104 million for 2002-2003.
Mr. Speaker, that is of great concern. A number of us in this House, when we first got together, were very concerned about the fact that we, as a government, find ourselves in a situation where we would run out of dollars to operate the programs and services that are existing in the Northwest Territories.
We were told, and the Minister said on many occasions, that here in the Northwest Territories as we operate, Members are all a part of the decision-making process. Yes, Mr. Speaker, and our decisions are as good as the information we are provided.
Part of the sales pitch, Mr. Speaker, on adapting this fiscal strategy is the fact that we have so much potential out there. The economic development is huge in the Northwest Territories. The potential of getting more from resources through sharing of those revenues that are developed out of the resource development sector.
Mr. Speaker, although the prospects of our resources remain extremely high and bright as the Minister states, that is very accurate. The problem is we will see little of that as the government of the Northwest Territories and aboriginal governments unless we get the funding from the federal government.
We were told on many occasions in this House that that was coming, that things were happening. Unfortunately now, Mr. Speaker, we are told that even though devolution negotiations are ongoing, the fact that they do not have the mandate to discuss the fiscal situation of the Northwest Territories and in light of that, Mr. Speaker, it is disappointing and residents will not be able to see...
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Mr. Roland , the time for your Member's statement has ended. Mr. Roland , you have the floor.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Roland .
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hopefully I do not continue this without unanimous consent. I thank my colleagues. Just in concluding, Mr. Speaker, that the residents of the Northwest Territories will now have difficulties in trying to find out what our plans are until February when we get a chance to sit down and look at the budget of this government. Until then, as Members are aware, we are going to be in the dark once again as to what potential activities are out there and how we can address them with our constituents.
The one thing that is bright on this side is that with the news we now have we can go back to our constituents and see what input and suggestions they might have for this government. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for the Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .
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Questionable Validity Of Impact Benefit Agreements
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to make some comments on the matter of impact benefit agreements and what they mean to the people who rely on them as the basis for opportunities. Mr. Speaker, a question frequently asked of me by my constituents is, what are impact benefit agreements and what good are impact benefit agreements if jobs, business opportunities and resources are still going south and not to the communities impacted by development?
What recourse if any does a community or region have if it only receives the benefit of opportunities by the good graces of the company undertaking the development? The legal implications of impact benefit agreements appears to be set in a void of uncertainty. It is a gray area that wets the appetite of a community but may not allow them to eat, thereby leaving a sour taste in their mouth.
Legislation such as the Canadian Petroleum Resources Act and the Canadian Oil and Gas Operations Act specifies a requirement for companies to consider providing communities with employment and business opportunities. This requirement has no teeth. It appears to be a mere formality and means with which to eliminate any meaningful participation by northern people and businesses in resource development.
The whole issue of impact benefit agreements between aboriginal peoples and resource developers is shrouded in secrecy and mystery. To what extent are these resource companies providing opportunities to people of the North? Who is monitoring the promises made in these agreements? What recourse, if any, does a party to an agreement possess if the company fails to deliver such promises?
Mr. Speaker, the validity of these agreements is questionable as the requirement to deliver opportunities is based only on the best efforts which really means we tried and could not deliver therefore we go south for services. The federal government under the Canadian Oil and Gas Operations Act has the authority to require compliance with any requirement of the act. Failing such compliance, could in essence cancel the interest.
Mr. Speaker, history has demonstrated that the government will always place the company ahead of the community. So where does this leave the community when the federal government is not willing to enforce its own legislation?
Mr. Speaker, it is evident that the legal nature of impact benefit agreements is confusing and uncertain. As a northern territory made up of land owners who have an inherent right, it is imperative that...
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Mr. McLeod , your time for your Member's statement is over. Mr. McLeod , you have the floor.
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Member's statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. McLeod .
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker and colleagues. Mr. Speaker, as a northern territory made up of land owners who have inherent rights, it is imperative that this government work with the communities. Most importantly those in non-settled claim areas by providing them with the required human and financial resources which will allow informed and effective negotiations when it comes into entering into impact benefit agreements. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. McLeod . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .
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Attending Remembrance Day Services
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given that that while it is the first day, but the last day we will be sitting for a while, and I will be taking my time to talk to my constituents over the next days and weeks, I know that one of the most important things I will be doing in the next while is to attend the Remembrance service in ten days time.
Mr. Speaker, at the ceremony I will be laying a wreath on behalf of the veterans of the Korean War, of which there are a few in Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, I will be taking my time to honour and remember those who have served for our country and lost their lives in conflict and battlegrounds around the world in order that we have the freedom that we do to debate the issues.
Mr. Speaker, the Korean War had a great impact on the country and I do not know if everybody knows, but over 26,000 Canadians served in the Korean War and Canada was the third largest contingent, only smaller than the United States and the United Kingdom. As I stated in the House before, there were 73 aboriginal members who served in the Korean War.
As I reflect on a lot of things that happen in this House and I look forward to going out to the community and visiting my constituents and explaining what is happening, I think that the Remembrance service will give me a special time to reflect on lots of rights and freedoms that we enjoy and we exercise and that we are grateful for.
I would like to also take this time, if I am not totally out of line, to thank the staff for a lot of hard work they have done to make the work possible. I wish the Members very well until the next time I see you. Thank you.
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Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .
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Quality And Timing Of Information Received By Regular Members
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Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was not going to do a Member's statement today, but I have been a little motivated here I guess to speak to the quality of information that we are receiving on this side of the House and it is certainly a theme that I have been discussing earlier in the session.
We did not seem to get much in the way of Ministers' statements in this session until today when we get a veritable wheelbarrow full of them, and a couple of my colleagues have already commented on this, Mr. Speaker. The difficulty here is that the information we are seeking needs to be timely, it needs to be accurate and it needs to be relevant or we cannot offer the public what they need, and that is a chance to scrutinize the information that our government is providing, Mr. Speaker.
Clearly we need to know how the government is tackling the major issues of the day. If I go through the Ministers' statements, and I will just take the Health Minister 's statement first, Mr. Speaker, he talks about the commitment he has made to provide regular reporting on our progress. He is tabling a report, which is great and I will take a look at that, but unfortunately we are not going to have much time to question the Minister in this session now because we are almost on our way out the door.
He says that this plan will speak to the recruitment and retention plan, good to see it, but that will deal with immediate and longer term staffing shortages. With all due respect, Mr. Speaker, immediate was about two months ago.
If I look at the fiscal update that we have been clamouring for on this side of the House for the last couple of weeks, and let me be clear, Mr. Speaker, the fiscal update is simply a snapshot of where we are at a time -- a time which looks to me like we have been here for the last few months, and I cannot understand why we did not get this information earlier.
The convention has been that every time this House sits we get a fiscal update and, as I have said before, there is no expectation that the Finance Minister has all the answers or has the detailed plan all worked out by the time he comes to the public, but we think it is only fair that we are forthright and honest about our fiscal situation.
Mr. Speaker, the last fiscal update indicated we had a deficit of $12 million for 2002-2003. It is now $104 million. I can tell you that if this was the private sector and you provided no guidance going forward, and then came out with earnings that absolutely disappointed like this, your stock would tank, Mr. Speaker. That is the kind of thing that I think this government fails to grasp.
I look at the devolution negotiations update that we received, Mr. Speaker, and it speaks to the process which commenced on September 26th, a month ago. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Tony Whitford
Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Member's statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude, Mr. Bell .
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Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had initially intended to make my best efforts not to complain today, especially given the comments that our Commissioner made. I think she had some very good things to say for us. However, I am frustrated and I think our constituents are frustrated about the lack of timeliness of information that we are getting from this government. There is nothing in this devolution negotiation statement that we did not know a month ago. There is nothing in the fiscal update that we have not known for some time. The whispered number on the street, as we indicated, was a $60 million deficit.
That was ages ago, Mr. Speaker, and we never even addressed it publicly. We just ignored it until now when we start to talk about $104 million.
Mr. Speaker, I think I just to need to reiterate that we need timely information because even if it is accurate, if we do not get it in time it is not longer relevant. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Steen .
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Best Wishes For A Safe And Happy Halloween
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, October 31 is special to children of all ages, regardless of where they live. Mr. Speaker, it is Halloween night tonight and these children will be out trick or treating for goodies in all communities. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to wish all the children, and especially those in my riding of Nunakput, a safe and happy Halloween. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Steen , we hope there is more treating than tricks. Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since this will be the last day in the Assembly until our next scheduled sitting in early February 2003, I would like to express to the constituents in my riding of Inuvik Twin Lakes that I will be travelling home in the next few months to follow up on the many issues that remain unresolved. It is my intention to work along with yourselves to finalize what we had started out and tried to accomplish collectively. For that, I will continue to employ your full time constituency office in Inuvik at Ingamo Hall where you can contact my office for updated information, or where issues are that are so important to know about.
I also look forward to spending some time during the Christmas holidays, along with my family, in Inuvik. I wanted particularly to send all best wishes to those who plan to remain on the land to pursue trapping as an interest. My colleague from Inuvik Boot Lake and I will be putting out a joint newsletter to keep all residents of Inuvik informed of our joint efforts to ensure that the projects for Inuvik reach fruition as scheduled in the 14th Assembly. With that, I would like to wish my constituents well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Best Wishes To Constituents Of Inuvik Twin Lakes
Item 4: Members' Statements
Page 13
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Allen . Item 4, Members' statements. The honourable Member Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Ootes .
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Reflections On Remembrance Day
Item 4: Members' Statements
Page 13
Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make some comments with regard to Remembrance Day, which is only a week an some days away. Remembrance Day is very important to me. It is a day well remembered by my family. I was born and spent my early years in Holland and, of course, it was the Canadian soldiers who liberated Holland. I remember very well as a young boy walking through the square. Tanks were there, a lot of soldiers, and the tremendous celebrations that took place at the liberation time.
I think what is important, Mr. Speaker, is to recognize that people are carrying on the tradition of remembering Remembrance Day. The people from the Royal Canadian Legion who work hard on an annual basis to ensure that this day is remembered. Many of these people are former soldiers from either the Korean War or other wars, the Second World War, and they are the people that were personally involved in a lot of these conflicts. They carry on the tradition, Mr. Speaker, and it is a lot of work but they take a great deal of pride in putting on this particular ceremony. I know all across Canada that day will be celebrated and it is a day of remembrance for everyone.
I would just like to acknowledge and say a thank you to the members of the Royal Canadian Legion first of all here in Yellowknife. Usually they have a reception at their particular branch after the ceremony, but also across Canada. I would like to express a word of thanks, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
-- Applause
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Reflections On Remembrance Day
Item 4: Members' Statements
Page 14
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Sadly two of the northern veterans that were in the liberation of Holland passed away this year; Mr. Mel Brown and Mr. Eugene Mercredi from Fort Smith. Both were in the campaign that was first in the Netherlands. It is condolences that we remember at this time of year on behalf of those northern people that were there at the time. No further Members' statements. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 14
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I wish once again to recognize my uncle, Jonas Kakfwi, who is sitting with us in the gallery visiting from Fort Good Hope.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 14
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 14
Joe Handley
Weledeh
Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize Major Karen Hoeft, who has been with us quite a bit. Thank you.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 14
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 14
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know I can count on your charity this afternoon as I introduce a number of people with the Yellowknife Chamber of Commerce. The second vice-president, Karen Poitras from NorthwesTel; the past president of the Chamber, John Ondrack, with Kirk Computer Systems, and a number of other people, Mr. Speaker. I think most of them are with us.
These are directors of the Chamber: Steve Meister of Ardicom Digital Communications; Trent Fequet, of Ninety North Construction; Amy Hacala, Media Works Communications; Paul Christopher, with the Bank of Montreal; and Tim Gawne, of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, Mr. Speaker; and David Connelly, of lle Royale Enterprises; and last, but certainly not least, Mr. Dale Thomson, the executive director of the Yellowknife Chamber of Commerce. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 14
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to take this opportunity to welcome everyone who is here today to watch the Legislative Assembly. Welcome to your Assembly.
Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .
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Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 14
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I stated in my Member's statement, we as Canadians need to speak out loudly and voice our opposition to child pornography and sexual exploitation of our children. The current law regarding the age of consent provides no protection for children 14 years and older from predatory adults. I am going to direct my question to the Minister of Justice . Would the Minister please indicate to this House what the current age of consent law is in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 14
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Justice, Mr. Allen .
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Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 14
Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a very sensitive question and is very important to the people of the Northwest Territories. Protecting our children from sexual exploitation of any kind is very important to this government, as well as it is to all citizens of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise the Member that, under the Criminal Code of Canada, which is a federal act, it defines the age of consent, in most cases, the age is 14, but it is 18 years of age for offences involving the exploitation of a child. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 14
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Delorey .
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Supplementary To Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 14
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister please state what our current laws in the NWT are with respect to the possession of child pornography? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Supplementary To Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 14
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Justice, Mr. Allen .
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Further Return To Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 14
Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since it is a very legalistic question, I am going to reply in a formal response. The Criminal Code of Canada creates offences for possessing child pornography. In doing this, the federal government made it criminal to have material that causes harm to children, but not all descriptions or pictures of naked children are pornography, as anyone would know who photographs their children having fun in the bath. It includes those that are sexually explicit and can be expected to cause harm to children. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 14
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Delorey .
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Supplementary To Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 14
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that it is legal to possess child pornography as long as it is not mass-distributed. In addition, there is a court case pending about whether pornography should be judged on its artistic merit, and therefore, the person possessing it would be resolved from prosecution. This is deeply disturbing to a number of people, myself included. Would the Minister please state whether our justice system in the Northwest Territories is bound by these positions? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Supplementary To Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 15
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Justice, Mr. Allen .
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Further Return To Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Question 1-14(6): Sexual Exploitation Laws In The Nwt
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 15
Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a rather lengthy answer to the question, but if I may proceed, the Supreme Court of Canada is Canada's highest court of decision. Its decisions are binding on all courts and governments across Canada.
Mr. Speaker, when my colleague speaks of a recent Supreme Court of Canada case on child pornography, I believe Mr. Delorey is referring to the decision of the Crown against Sharpe. Contrary to what Mr. Delorey has said, in 2001, the Supreme Court did not make it legal to possess child pornography. The court upheld the law that prohibits the possession of child pornography, with two specific exceptions. The first exception is written materials or visual representations created and held by the accused alone for his or her personal use.
The second exception is visual recordings created by the accused that do not include unlawful sexual activity and are held by the accused for his or her private use. The court found that there was no reasonable risk to children in these materials.
The Criminal Code creates two defences for an accused who is charged with offences of child pornography. One is the defence of artistic merit, or where the material serves an educational, scientific, or medical purpose. I am not aware of the case that Mr. Delorey suggests is now before the court. He may be thinking of Mr. Sharpe's case, which was sent back to the B.C. trial court. That trial ended in March, 2002, and Sharpe was convicted for possession of sexually explicit photographs of children, but acquitted of the charges related to his writings on the basis that they demonstrated artistic merit.
Since that decision, jurisdictions have asked the federal government to eliminate the defence of ar