Debates of March 4th, 2013

This is page numbers 2283 – 2332 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was college .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Changes To Home Ownership Programs

Canadian Partnership Against Cancer Visit

Aboriginal Languages Month

Nutrition Month

Premier Absent From The House

Budget Priorities In Consensus Government

Defining Inclusive Schooling

Hay River Homecoming, June 28 – July 1, 2013

Celebrating The 98th Birthday Of Aklavik Elder Mary Kendi

Additional Costs Associated With Deh Cho Bridge

Aboriginal Languages Month

Mine Training In Small Communities

Mandatory And Coerced Mental Health Treatment

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Psychiatric Services In The NWT

Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

Cost Of Deh Cho Bridge Construction

Psychiatrists And Psychologists In Correctional Facilities

Written Question 19-17(4): NWT Mental Health Act

Written Question 20-17(4): NWT Mental Health Act Treatment Data

Written Question 21-17(4): Re-Profiled Funding For Early Childhood Development Initiatives 2012-2013

Return To Written Question 4-17(4): NWT Health Care Cards

Return To Written Question 5-17(4): Alcohol-Related Health Conditions

Return To Written Question 6-17(4): Mackenzie Valley Winter Roads

Tabled Document 36-17(4): Government Of The Northwest Territories Response To Motion 19-17(3): Child Tax Benefit Clawback

Tabled Document 37-17(4): Mackenzie Valley Winter Road – Further To Return To Written Question 6-17(4)

Bill 3: Wildlife Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Department Of Education, Culture And Employment – Inclusive Schooling Funding

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Today I would like to honour the memory of our elder Mrs. Elizabeth Blake from Tetlit Zheh, who was an example for our communities. She was a beautiful mother and a loving jijuu.

Elizabeth Blake was born on November 5, 1914, in Caribou River, Yukon Territory. She grew up living off the land, working hard to make a living. Married to Fred Blake, they had 14 children, 60 grandchildren, 89 great-grandchildren and 19 great-great-grandchildren.

Raising a large family out on the land was hard work. Elizabeth Blake enjoyed trapping, snaring rabbits and tanning moose hides. Later on, she was an active member for the Women’s Auxiliary of St. Matthew’s Anglican Church.

This hardworking woman was dedicated to her family and she made sure each member felt special.

Elizabeth Blake was a keeper of the Gwich’in culture.

Elizabeth Blake passed away on February 21, 2013. We offer our deepest condolences to her family and friends.

On a personal note, I never ever did go through Fort McPherson without stopping at her house to have tea with her because she’d always tell stories. She was just an awesome lady. To her families and friends, our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Item 2, Ministers’ statements.

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Minister's Statement 32-17(4): Changes To Home Ownership Programs

Ministers’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, when we developed our strategic plan, Building for the Future, residents told us that we needed to examine our home ownership programs and

recognize the different role that home ownership plays in non-market communities, than it plays in market communities and that changes were needed to our programs to make them more effective.

Mr. Speaker, as part of our actions related to the strategic plan, we will be making significant changes to Providing Assistance for Territorial Homeownership, our main home ownership subsidy program. The changes include the way we determine subsidy levels, expands the eligible pool of clients, and significantly closes the gap between the cost of home ownership and public housing.

Our subsidy approach will use the same zone approach to group communities as is used for the public housing rent scales. Subsidies will be higher in communities with higher cost of living. To use an example, an eligible household in Fort Good Hope would be able to purchase a new home for about $140,000 after receiving a subsidy under PATH. This would mean the client would have approximately $1,500 in monthly shelter costs. This is very similar to the maximum rent charged for public housing clients.

The approach to the subsidy will be different in market communities. Housing supply and development is much different in these communities, and risks and benefits related to home ownership are different than in non-market communities.

In market communities the program will focus on helping first time homeowners and will provide support to young families and others that want to move from the rental market to become homeowners.

We will also be expanding our eligibility criteria for PATH. While the program will continue to focus on those most in need, some support will be provided to households that have income levels somewhat higher than our current income thresholds. This will mean that, for example, a household in Lutselk’e earning up to approximately $95,000 in annual income will be eligible for the full subsidy and households between $95,000 and about $145,000 will be eligible to receive 50 percent of the subsidy.

Finally, in support of the 17th Legislative Assembly’s

priority to sell public housing stock, we will introduce the Public Housing Purchase Program. This program will provide up to $25,000 in

additional support for tenants of public housing units that want to purchase their unit. The NWT Housing Corporation will be proactive in making tenants aware of this opportunity.

These program changes will take effect early in the upcoming fiscal year. Communications materials are being developed and we look forward to continuing to work with residents in partnership to help them meet their housing needs.

Mr. Speaker, these changes will help address housing needs, as directed by the priorities of the 17th Legislative Assembly, and will support strong

individuals, families and communities.Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 32-17(4): Changes To Home Ownership Programs

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Minister's Statement 33-17(4): Canadian Partnership Against Cancer Visit

Ministers’ Statements

Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, as this Assembly is aware, cancer is the number one cause of death in the Northwest Territories. Lung cancer causes the greatest number of cancer deaths, but the most commonly diagnosed cancers are colorectal cancer in men and breast cancer in women.

When I travel to communities, this is one of the biggest concerns that people talk to me about. Our communities want to understand this disease better, and people want to know what actions they can take to change these trends.

Mr. Speaker, today representatives from the Canadian Partnership Against Cancer are in Yellowknife to meet with Health and Social Services officials and invited community guests to talk about the First Nations, Inuit and Metis Action Plan on Cancer Control.

The Canadian Partnership Against Cancer is an independent organization that works to implement Canada’s cancer control strategy, from looking at improving prevention and screening, to conducting research and improving supportive care. Today’s meetings build on our past collaboration with this organization. Over the years the partnership has supported our healthy choices programs such as Drop the Pop. They have provided technical support to the Department and Authorities. More recently, Mr. Speaker, we turned to this organization to help us respond to requests from Fort Good Hope and Fort Resolution to help them take action against cancer.

The purpose of today’s meeting is to discuss the implementation of the First Nations, Inuit and Metis Action Plan on Cancer Control, and explore opportunities for further collaborative work.

Part of the discussions with CPAC will include a review of some of the NWT’s cancer-based initiatives. This will include looking at how we implement our cancer screening programs against colorectal, cervical and breast cancer. This will help to identify priority areas where they can support our initiatives.

Mr. Speaker, we are looking for ways to provide information on cancer to communities, and looking at how we can provide better support to individuals and families affected by cancer. We must continue to prevent cancers, where possible, through regular testing at health centres and through healthy lifestyle choices, including proper diets, exercise and avoiding drugs and alcohol.

Moving forward, we will continue to build on lessons learned from last summer’s cancer sharing circles in Fort Resolution and Fort Good Hope. I am pleased that both of these reports have been shared with communities and remain available on the department’s website.

We are also pleased that Canadian Partnership Against Cancer will return in June. This will be the first time their board of directors meet in the Northwest Territories. We look forward to hosting the board as they advance their important work to reduce the burden of cancer for all Canadians.

Mr. Speaker, today we have with us Dr. Adams and Ms. Lee Fairclough. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 33-17(4): Canadian Partnership Against Cancer Visit

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister's Statement 34-17(4): Aboriginal Languages Month

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, Aboriginal languages are important pillars of our Northwest Territories society, they create a strong sense of identity and belonging, and we must actively work with our language communities to ensure our youth identify themselves as language and cultural ambassadors. March is Aboriginal Languages Month, and I urge all language groups to actively participate in the celebration of language and culture in their communities, not only during the month of March but at every opportunity throughout the year.

In our ongoing commitment to the preservation and revitalization of Aboriginal languages, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment continues to develop language resources to encourage use in the home, community and schools. Over the past year, five Dene language apps for Apple products were developed, and we are nearing completion of the Inuvialuit and Cree language apps. The South Slave Divisional Education Council also worked with the community of Fort Resolution to create the Chipewyan

Dictionary, and students were involved in the entire process.

Mr. Speaker, we are seeing a new direction to focus our efforts in language preservation and promotion with our students and youth. Through efforts of some of our local and territorial filmmakers, media and film arts are emerging as a new opportunity to create an identity for the cultures and languages of the North. I have spoken previously about fusing our cultures with technology, and the importance of supports and resources in place for our residents that are telling their stories through these channels. I am very excited about the possibilities.

Mr. Speaker, as part of our ongoing engagement process with the language communities, the department is hosting the second annual Aboriginal Languages Symposium from March 20 to 21, 2013. One hundred twenty-five delegates from across the territory will converge in Yellowknife to discuss ways in which to promote, preserve and revitalize our Aboriginal languages, especially with young people, a group critical to our success.

The symposium will also be used as a platform to validate the Aboriginal Languages Secretariat implementation plan and priorities with stakeholders, raise awareness, and share best practices.

Mr. Speaker, I want to recognize all those who dedicate their time to revitalizing and maintaining their Aboriginal languages. Languages strengthen our greater NWT community by creating an identity and cultural foundation for all of us. As a priority of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, we will continue to further language and culture initiatives that help preserve, promote and revitalize these important pillars of our society. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 34-17(4): Aboriginal Languages Month

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Minister's Statement 35-17(4): Nutrition Month

Ministers’ Statements

Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, March is National Nutrition Month. Nutrition Month has been celebrated worldwide since 1980 and it focuses on the importance of healthy eating and the positive impact it has on our health and well-being.

Healthy eating is important at every stage of our lives. Proper nutrition contributes to the development of healthy babies. It supports physical growth and brain development in early childhood. Kids who eat healthy foods do better at school. Young athletes need to eat well to fuel their performance. As we all grow older, healthy eating helps to avoid chronic disease.

Mr. Speaker, in Canada the increasing rates of unhealthy weights among children are becoming an epidemic. According to the Curbing Childhood Obesity report from the Public Health Agency of Canada, more than one in four childrenin Canada is overweight or obese.

This can lead to serious health issues like type 2 diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure. If we do not address this now, our children will grow up to be less healthy and have shorter lives. This is why it is important that we focus on improving the health of our children by preparing healthy family meals, which means getting the healthiest ingredients and taking the time to cook healthy foods.

With busy lifestyles, we do not always cook, but we should still make sure we provide healthy food for our children to support their growth and development.

Mr. Speaker, in January Health and Social Services, and Education, Culture and Employment held an early childhood development roundtable. Everyone shared their fundamental belief that children must be given the best possible start in life.

One of the best ways to do this is to give children the foods they need for proper growth and development. This begins with pregnant mothers eating proper foods.

Once the baby is born, families and communities can best support the mom and baby by promoting breastfeeding and then giving them healthy foods to eat as they grow and develop.

Mr. Speaker, I really cannot state more strongly that parents need to invest in children right from the start with the right foods. Not only does unhealthy food risk a child’s overall health, but poor nutrition negatively affects proper brain development, making it hard for a child to learn at school.

Too many sweet foods lead to obesity and tooth decay. Too much sugar, salt and fat at an early age leads to chronic diseases. In the NWT, too many baby teeth are extracted, more than half of our population 18 years and older are either obese or overweight, and diabetes is on the rise.

The Department of Health and Social Services are taking steps to respond to these issues. This year we are working on healthy food guidelines for early childhood development. We are also sending out 2,000 dental kits to families with young children, and providing training for Healthy Family program workers.

We will create “Healthy Beginning” tool kits for early child development workers that support healthy eating and active living. Drop the Pop is supporting school-based activities to reduce high-calorie, sugar-sweetened beverages. In November the NWT/Nunavut

Chapter of the Canadian Public

Health Association and the department held a workshop with representatives from local governments, NGOs and businesses that explored how communities can prevent chronic diseases by taking steps to create healthier environments through partnerships.

Mr. Speaker, healthy habits are ingrained early in life and are very hard to change as people get older. If we don’t change course, the sad truth is that today’s parents are predicted to outlive their children because they will develop chronic diseases like cancer, diabetes and heart disease.

We must all pull together. We are doing this with partners like the Northern Nutrition Association and our very own registered dieticians. We are very proud that we have registered dietitians and members of the Northern Nutrition Association providing services through the health and social services authorities. Through partnership with the Northern Nutrition Association and authorities, there will be several events taking place to recognize National Nutrition Month.

The association will host a Facebook and twitter feed, the department will post nutrition tips and nutrition videos on its website, and dietitians throughout the territory are volunteering to hold menu planning sessions for organizations such as Bailey House, and grocery store tours.

Through these initiatives and partnerships, we will help to improve the health of our territory’s children, our most valuable resource. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 35-17(4): Nutrition Month

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Deputy Premier , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister's Statement 36-17(4): Premier Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Bob McLeod will be absent from the House today and tomorrow to speak at the Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada Conference in Toronto and meetings with federal Ministers in Toronto and Ottawa. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 36-17(4): Premier Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Budget Priorities In Consensus Government

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The role of Regular Members in setting spending priorities is one of the most important features of consensus government. When we insist on changes to budgets, Regular Members are expressing their highest priorities and we expect government to act.

This government has failed miserably in that over the last year and I am fed up.

Last year Members prioritized $1.25 million targeted to finalize an Early Childhood Educator Program at Aurora College to graduate fully qualified professionals. Also included were developing community family centres and supporting community early childhood programs for young families. We have now learned that of the hundreds of thousands approved for training development, very little was spent, program development was limited and the program is now stalled.

At the community level, funds committed to family centres were held until the end of the fiscal year and then dumped quickly out the door. Hundreds of thousands are apparently being reallocated in the last weeks of the year for quick and inappropriate expenditures relative to the purpose for which they were intended.

The budget was passed in June. ECE dithered over it until November before even issuing a call for proposals. Today the money is being hustled out on last minute, bulk small purchase items in a mad rush to spend it before it disappears.

Last minute expenditures include internally duplicating the program that has already been contracted out by ECE, a program that has been in place for over a decade. Now even the museum is being told to spend early childhood dollars.

This wastage is precisely what gives government the bad reputation we often have. Let’s not forget the ECE money was moved from Inclusive Schooling, so that program suffered for what gain to early childhood development?

We set priorities. Cabinet drags its feet and continues on with its own agenda. What’s the point of consensus budgeting, Mr. Speaker?

How can we have any faith in Cabinet to take direction from the will of the House with performance like this? Where were the updates and debate over reallocation if necessary?

I will be urging committees to demand spending priority work plans from Cabinet with actions, milestones and progress reports.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Budget Priorities In Consensus Government

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I will be asking for an internal audit of how the government has performed in carrying out the Members’ amendments of past budgets, and I will seek advice from the Auditor General on the propriety of taking the money that Members vote for one cost and spending it on another. This has got to stop.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Defining Inclusive Schooling

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The current GNWT directive on inclusive schooling states the following: “Inclusive schooling is intended to ensure equal access for all students to educational programs offered in regular classroom settings.” This very statement is symbolic of what is wrong with how inclusive schooling in the NWT is currently being funded and addressed at the department level.

It is time to revisit and redefine the directive and the funding formula for inclusive schooling. We must consider this, also from the ECE directive, “What inclusion is not:

• It does not mean having all students learn the

same thing at the same time in the same way.

• It is not simply placing students with exceptional

needs into the regular classroom without essential supports and services.

• It is not an easy solution for meeting the needs

of exceptional students.

• It is not the sole responsibility of the classroom

teacher.

• It is not the sole responsibility of the student

support assistant.”

What I hear from teachers, students, parents and community members is that this is now what inclusive schooling looks like in many classrooms in the NWT. In the absence of adequate classroom support staff and an appropriate funding formula, the students are being shortchanged under this directive.

Inclusive schooling should not be about ensuring equal access, it should be ensuring equity for NWT students. “Equity does not mean treating all students in the same way, but rather responding to the individual needs of each student and providing the conditions and interventions needed to help him or her succeed.” That’s from Ontario’s Inclusive Education Strategy.

I want to share a statement to me from a parent who is struggling with an inadequate learning environment for her child. She says, “I urge you to reconsider the current funding allocation for children with special needs. My son is not getting the education he needs to prepare him for life and what it holds for him. This will severely restrict his ability to make a living and support himself.”

I know educators, parents, education councils, authorities and board members want the best for the children in their care. In order for teachers to do that, to properly respond to individual student

needs, existing barriers must be identified and eliminated.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Defining Inclusive Schooling

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

This means the department has to work with those education councils, authorities and boards to come up with a funding formula that ensures success for NWT students. I have the following question for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment : Will you revise our approach to inclusive schooling to ensure all of our students can achieve success?

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Defining Inclusive Schooling

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Hay River Homecoming, June 28 – July 1, 2013

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am rising today to talk about the Hay River Homecoming that’s coming this June 28th to July

1st . Hay River invites all its former and current

residents to stay in the community, come back to Hay River and enjoy the festivities that are being organized. It is a time for people that were in the fishing industry, people that worked for NTCL, NorthwesTel, GNWT, or just lived in Hay River to come back, experience Hay River and take

part in this great event.

I want those former residents to look up on hayriver2013.ca. There’s a website there. You can register your name. They need to know who is coming. You can see some of the lists on the website of those people who have already signed up, who’s coming back to Hay River to see the community and take

part in the events. There’s going to be a community fish fry, pancake breakfast, blessing of the fleet and, obviously, a Canada Day parade.

There are a group of people in Hay River right now that have been working for over a year planning this homecoming. It’s going to be a great event. I’d like to thank those people that have already put in their time and there will be a great many more that put a lot of effort into this event. I’m just reminding everybody that’s lived in Hay River to come back home to Hay River June 28th to July 1st , and please

register at hayriver2013.ca.

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Hay River Homecoming, June 28 – July 1, 2013

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Celebrating The 98th Birthday Of Aklavik Elder Mary Kendi

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today is March 4th and a respected elder in Aklavik is celebrating her 98th birthday. Respected elder Mary Kendi of Aklavik reached 98 today. The family are preparing to celebrate their mother’s birthday on Saturday, March 9th , at the Sittichinli Community

Complex in Aklavik, and the community is invited to share in this event.

Mary was born in Aklavik on March 4, 1915. Mary attended the residential school in Hay River from 1920-1923. Mary and Alfred Kendi were married on July 1, 1932, and had nine children.

Mary lived the traditional lifestyle and taught many the wisdom passed down from her ancestors. Mary did traditional sewing and sewed traditional clothing for a living. Her involvement with the Women’s Auxiliary brought her to Africa, along with Bella Ross, in 1977. The family would like to recognize their mother’s accomplishments at this event this coming Saturday.

Colleagues, please help me in wishing Mary Kendi a very happy birthday today.

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Celebrating The 98th Birthday Of Aklavik Elder Mary Kendi

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Mary Kendi, happy birthday on Saturday, and I hope you have a good day. The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Additional Costs Associated With Deh Cho Bridge

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the first time in history, the NWT will have a bridge that crosses the Mackenzie and that’s a great thing. Although we are now reaping the benefits of a truly all-season road, which also includes the additional costs that the government promised would never happen, many citizens can’t help but keep asking, could the government have done this for less.

This Assembly approved an extra $10 million last spring to finish this project before the end of 2012, and as far as Minister Ramsay is concerned, that’s all water under the bridge for now. But the reality remains that this cost of the additional project could have gone on to status quo and would have cost us less, if not close to half. What would have allowed us to distribute the rest of the remaining construction process over the following year but instead we swallowed an additional $10 million in a one-lump-sum fee to the contractor so they could rush around the clock to increase the risk of the project but make sure they delivered it by November 2012.

May I remind this House that this additional $10 million – we already had a contract for it, so they didn’t actually need it – was just extra money. It

could be defined, as many citizens have told me, was this an extra $10 million of slush or simply gravy? It’s funny that an additional $10 million carrot was dangled by Minister Ramsay to get this bridge done by last fall; but the fact is they already had a contract in place to complete it, so why the additional $10 million?

As we continued to needlessly negotiate a fixed contract, this reminds the other contractors out there who want to do government bidding on northern projects that all they have to do is just wait until we’re held over a barrel because that’s when we’re ready to pay more. The taxpayers pay more.

We could learn many lessons from the Deh Cho Bridge, and I would normally urge the department to do a thorough analysis. But, you know what? My expectations of hope of that being a reality are probably very few. The only way to get to the bottom of this is to call the Auditor General in and ask them about the likelihood of actually learning anything.

The NWT, as we all know, is contemplating major infrastructure. Do you think we’ve learned, once again, on how to do things properly? My expectations and hopes have certainly been dampened. If we avoid making further promises that we cannot keep, we can only then deliver full projects the way that they were meant to be, on time and on budget. We should stop diluting the process and be honest with Northerners.

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Additional Costs Associated With Deh Cho Bridge

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Aboriginal Languages Month

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi. [Translation] Thank you for allowing me to give this message in the Tlicho language. I have a lot of respect for many elders and Behchoko residents that I have met in my years as a pharmacist, so I have made a promise to myself that I would learn to speak some Tlicho during my term of being an MLA.

It is important that during Aboriginal Language Month we need to promote and use our language every day at home, in the community and at work. We need to celebrate our languages. We need to always encourage people to learn about them and to use them. Our children need to see us using our languages in our home, in our drum dancing, during play and during storytelling.

I know that the Tlicho language is very strong and many speak it in the Northwest Territories, but Aboriginal language use is on the decline. We have five Aboriginal languages to date that we have less than 500 residents who can speak it. I am very fearful that in the future these five Aboriginal

languages and their cultures could one day not be here. This would be a sad day for the North.

Thank you for letting me speak your beautiful language and join me in celebrating Aboriginal Languages Month. [Translation ends]

Thank you for their help, and thank you for allowing me to celebrate Aboriginal Languages Month in my own special way. Mahsi.

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Aboriginal Languages Month

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Mine Training In Small Communities

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have spoken many times about the lack of jobs in the communities in my region and the lack of opportunities for our young people to make a good living. It is true that there are a lot of mining jobs in our territory. In a few communities people have had some success getting those jobs, but it is not easy in communities that are a little further away from the mines. In my region very few people are working at the mines.

Unemployment is highest in our small communities. You would think that we would focus our training for jobs in the mining sector, but that is not the case. Mine training is not delivered in most of our small communities and it should be. Progress towards production has been made at the Prairie Creek Mine. Canadian Zinc is expecting a drop of its Type A water licence in the next few weeks. When the mine finally opens, there will be more than 200 new jobs available.

Canadian Zinc signed a socio-economic agreement with this government back in August 2011. The company committed to hiring 60 percent of its workforce in the North. At that time the Minister of Education noted that this is an excellent opportunity for Northerners to benefit from meaningful jobs and training, particularly in the Deh Cho. Unfortunately, that does not seem to include the communities in my Deh Cho riding.

To my knowledge, the only training that has taken place has been in Fort Simpson, Fort Liard, Nahanni Butte and at the mine itself. Aurora College was one of the main partners in delivering this training which was spearheaded by the Mine Training Society. The federal government also contributed $200,000 through CanNor.

Opportunities in mining and other development must extend to the communities in my riding and that means getting some training done very soon. I am also concerned that Canadian Zinc may not meet its target for northern hires as training is only offered in a couple of communities. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Mandatory And Coerced Mental Health Treatment

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This past summer I was fortunate enough to attend parliamentary training down in Quebec where I learned of a couple of jurisdictions who created this legislation for mandatory and coerced treatment, that anybody who is a harm to themselves or to others that ended up in the emergency rooms would have to go under mandatory treatment. That really got me thinking and wondering if there is some type of legislation that we can implement here in the Northwest Territories.

Well, I did a lot of research. I talked to some of the jurisdictions, some of their MLAs, to discuss how we can try to do this up in the Northwest Territories. At first they said it would be challenging, but I was very optimistic to see if we could continue to pursue this.

It wasn’t until we went down to Ottawa for NWT Days where I had the opportunity to set up a meeting with the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse, and chat with their policy and staff and try to see if there is some type of legislation that we can introduce into the House by a motion to ensure that we protect our citizens and our residents that end up in the emergency rooms, that end up in the jails, that need the help when they are harming

themselves or others.

So it wasn’t until last week when I had a good chance with our research staff, and we looked and talked about whether or not this is something possible that we can implement in the Northwest Territories, and the same discussions we had would be it would be really challenging due to the lack of resources that we have in the Northwest Territories. Well, as a result of the lack of resources that we have, a lot of people are slipping through the cracks and not being recognized or getting the help and the treatment that they need.

So last week when I went home, I took home with me the Mental Health Act. I said if we can’t create new legislation, let’s look at the type of legislation we have here and see how we can amend it, see where we’re failing, and see how we can fix this so that people who are ending up in emergency rooms, that are ending up in the correctional facilities, in the jails, how we can help them and get them back into the help that they need so they can become healthy residents.

Well, I reviewed the Mental Health Act over the weekend and there were a lot of sections that raised a lot of questions for me. I’m glad I had the opportunity to do so. Today I will have questions for

the Minister of Health and Social Services , as well as the Minister of Justice on how we can address those. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Colleagues, I’d like to draw your attention to the presence in the gallery of our special guest, Mr. Colin Eade, from the Government of New Zealand.

Mr. Eade came highly recommended by my colleague the current High Commissioner of New Zealand to the United Kingdom and former Speaker of the House of Representatives in New Zealand, Dr. the Right Honourable Lockwood Smiths.

Mr. Eade organized his stay here in the Northwest Territories to see firsthand a non-adversarial democratic process, the way in which it has developed and evolved over time and where it is likely to evolve in the future. Mr. Eade has been driving professional development to public servants to help them understand the way the Westminster form of government works in New Zealand. He’s developed a working interest since he became a senior advisor to the Ministry of Health, including placement in the Ministers’ offices.

Members will be seeing him in the Assembly all this week while he gets to see and learn how our northern consensus government works here in our territory. I’d like to welcome Mr. Colin Eade to the House.

---Applause

Thank you for coming and taking in today’s meetings. Welcome to the House.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

Oral Questions

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my Member’s statement with regard to the Mental Health Act, my questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . The

interpretation of a psychiatrist under this act means a medical practitioner who holds a specialist certificate in psychiatry issued by the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada or an equivalent qualification acceptable by the Minister. I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services how many psychiatrists under this

interpretation we have in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Stanton Territorial Health Authority funds two full-time psychiatrists. The Stanton Territorial Health Authority has one psychiatrist on staff and uses locums at the Dalhousie Global Psychiatry Team to cover the second position. A second psychiatrist will be joining the Stanton Territorial Health Authority staff in the summer of 2013. Additionally, Stanton Territorial Health Authority has the equivalent to a quarter full-time equivalent psychiatrist dedicated to providing child and adolescent psychiatry services.

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

The reason I’m asking these questions is because a lot of the sections in the Mental Health Act deal with the information and services provided by psychiatrists.

In terms of the locum, the Minister said we had one full-time psychiatrist at Stanton Hospital and the second one is a locum. In terms of the locum psychiatrist that we use at Stanton, how many days out of the year is that locum here to provide services and assessments to residents of the Northwest Territories, to patients? How many days out of the year does that locum provide those services?

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Two positions, one is filled full time and the other one is filled by locums, and more than just one psychiatrist also filled in addition to the locums that we are using from the Dalhousie Global Psychiatric Team. I think that the second position is filled fully by locums and the Dalhousie Global Psychiatric Team. I am assuming that it would be one full-time equivalent being filled by those locums.

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

In terms of psychiatry services that are offered at the emergency room, what is the protocol when somebody comes into the emergency room that needs a psychiatrist? Is there a protocol in place at the emergency room that allows those types of services to happen, or gives the medical practitioner or nurse that’s working there what they need when they deal with somebody who is mentally incompetent, or there is a mental disorder that’s in place?

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Because the actual protocols in this type of situation or scenario are determined by the health centres, hospital, or emergency centre, I don’t have the actual written protocols with me here today, but I can provide that information to the Member.

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the health centres and hospitals should determine their

protocols based on the Mental Health Act and what’s addressed in the Mental Health Act.

My last question for the Minister is in regard to these locums. Does the Department of Health and Social Services provide education on the Government of the Northwest Territories Mental Health Act to these locums that come into the Northwest Territories so that they know what the protocol is when they’re dealing with somebody who has a mental disorder and ends up in the emergency ward?

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

The locums that do work in the Northwest Territories are required to know the Mental Health Act. As far as the training that they would require to ensure that they are following the Mental Health Act, again, I do not have that information with me here.

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Question 169-17(4): Psychiatric Services In The NWT

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I want to ask some questions about the inclusive schooling funding formula. The Minister has heard Members talk about the problems with the inclusive schooling formula and the way that inclusive schooling is provided. Boards are underfunded, many of them, and the formula basically is not working. I think the current percentage applied across the board to our education authorities is inappropriate.

I would like to ask the Minister initially, what does the department do to evaluate how the education boards or authorities spend their inclusive schooling money? What do the boards provide to the department in terms of accountability? What do they provide to the department to account for their inclusive schooling money spending?

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The inclusive schooling is an area that is currently under review. Based on the information we’ve received from the general public, most specifically, of course, from the Northwest Territories, we need to provide or enhance our programming. Right now we spend well over $26 million in this area. In return I think we can do better. That’s the whole area where the reporting mechanism and the framework itself we are exploring through the education renewal process. Part of that includes the schooling review. There is a reporting mechanism in place for the school boards on an annual basis, but in my view, that’s not enough. It doesn’t tell us how many special

needs students there are within the system. Those are areas we are continuing to explore and we want to enhance and improve in those areas.

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for that response. I’m really glad to hear that the formula is under review. I think the Minister has mentioned that a number of times last week.

Some NWT communities, especially Yellowknife, tend to attract special needs students, families with kids with special needs, and they seem to come here because we have facilities and services here that aren’t available in smaller communities. I’d like to know from the Minister how the department’s inclusive schooling funding formula recognizes the extra financial burden that is borne by magnet community schools.

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

The current formula funding is based on enrolment. That is the whole reason we are currently reviewing it. We want to make those changes because we have been told that it doesn’t reflect student needs or doesn’t do much in the area where we haven’t identified special needs.

Based on the feedback that we’ve been receiving, and even through the early childhood development, the stakeholders, the three experts spoke to us, and in general and as well as in their research and studies and also the elders have told us that we need to re-emphasize and put that as a priority within our department and that’s what we’re doing. We are currently reviewing that actual programming and funding that’s attached to it, developing the framework itself how the reporting mechanism should be strengthened and tied to those key areas.

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for that response. I appreciate, and gather from his response, we don’t currently have anything that recognizes sort of magnet community schools and the needs that they have. I’m really pleased to hear that that is something that the department is considering.

Similar to that, some schools obviously end up with more special needs students than others. Some end up with students with much higher needs than others. That ends up putting an extra financial burden on either a board or a school.

I’d like to know from the Minister if, at this point in time, our funding formula provides any flexibility, if there is any flexibility within the formula to give more money to one board or one school over another because of their extra special high number of needs students.

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Those are discussions that we’ll take into consideration as part of the overall plan once we engage the general public on the review itself. The Member is correct that there are certain schools, certain funding may not be enough. Also, there are some schools that

do not have equipment, such as small communities, isolated communities. Those are the factors we need to seriously look at. Based on enrolment does capture all schools. The review is before us and we want to make those changes that will reflect on what’s been said, what’s been heard around the Northwest Territories from the parents, from the experts, even from the professionals. Those are the areas that have been stressed to us as my department and we took those into consideration as we move forward.

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. I appreciate that we’re going to have all these various and sundry factors looked at. I think it is high time.

This formula hasn’t been working for quite a while. I’d like to know from the Minister if he can give us any kind of idea when the formula will be revised and when we can see an implementation of a new revised formula. Will it be at the start of the school year for 2013-2014?

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

As you know, the overall review of education renewal is very complex and comprehensive. We want to reach out to every single individual out there that we possibly can in the Northwest Territories to hear them out. Our target date, of course, is late fall/early winter. That is the target date right now. We are working towards that and we want it completed by then.

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Question 170-17(4): Inclusive Schooling Funding Formula

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I talked about mine training opportunities in small communities. My question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

How would someone in Fort Providence currently, for example, access mine training for a job at Prairie Creek?

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Part of the process is, of course, through various training initiatives within the Mine Training Society. They have reached out to certain communities and I believe they will be going to the Deh Cho riding, as well, and Prairie Creek, possibly around the Fort Simpson area and surrounding communities. They have done so with the diamond mines and surrounding communities. I believe that is the normal process where they will be visiting

and meeting with the community of Fort Simpson, the largest community, then expanding out to regional communities to deliver those training programs. Opportunity will be there.

I would encourage those individuals who are interested in training to submit their application or resumes to the Mine Training Society, even to my department or the ITI department and we can forward that to the appropriate group, the standing committee that’s out there.

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I know there’s been a lot of good work that the Mine Training Society has done, but why is mine training not offered in so many of our small communities where jobs are scarce and unemployment is high?

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We’ve heard that when we were visiting the communities that were not impacted, there are some developments that are happening in preferably the Deh Cho riding that we have identified and we need to reach out to those communities. We are working closely with the federal government to expand the Mine Training Society into those areas. We talk about the Beaufort-Delta. How can we assist in those areas with any training that’s required? It’s been brought up in the House here. We are doing what we can to engage and also get support from the federal government on the long-term plan.

That’s an ongoing discussion we are currently having. The Mine Training Society is up and running as we speak, and will be reaching out to Fort Simpson and the surrounding communities.

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I’d like to thank the Minister for his response. It’s encouraging that the Minister has indicated that there is an engagement process, at least, with the communities. Will the Minister work with the communities of Fort Providence and the K’atlodeeche First Nation to establish local delivery of mine training within the near future?

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

The overall plan not only of the Mine Training Society but within my department, the Labour Market Development Agreement both from the federal government, we want to reach out to all communities as best as we can. Through the Mine Training Society, the Hay River Reserve and also Fort Providence, and also Kakisa and the surrounding communities, that we can definitely approach and work with the leadership and work with the educators in the communities, as well, also industries. Industries are all partners in this venue.

I will invite the Member to have a more detailed discussion on this particular area, and also with the communities, so I will definitely look forward to those visits to the communities.

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Biomass Initiative has been a major significant, positive development in my region, in the South Slave region, but also expanding further north. It’s been on the radar for some time. I wanted to know what level of preparedness has the department entered into in preparing communities that will be affected by a forest management agreement with potential for a plant to be situated somewhere in Hay River? What kind of training has the department, perhaps, forecast in terms of training needs at the community level for this major project?

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

When we talk about training in the communities, there are certain parties involved, whether it be ENR or ITI. There are interdepartmental committees working closely with the regional groups. There is a steering committee that is established to identify those needs, whether it be the biomass, and areas of training that are required by the Deh Cho region. Definitely, those are areas that we need to identify as part of whether it be a month, two months, however the length of training program that’s required, and then identify those individuals that are interested.

It is the grassroots people that we need to work with, the regional representatives, and they’re the ones who will guide us on what’s needed in the region. We will continue to update the Member on the progress itself.

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Question 171-17(4): Mine Training Opportunities In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions follow up my Member’s statement earlier today and are directed to the Minister of Finance .

The budget reallocations Regular Members insist upon are our priorities and when approved become the will of the House. So how does that shake out into action through the Executive once the budget has been passed?

When I was a public servant, I’d allocate the funds to projects, keep track of my costs, and plan my work to avoid being caught with money unspent and no work to show for my time. That should pretty much be how this government runs its spending on a macro level, so how does the Finance Minister and others responsible for the performance of deputy ministers keep an eye on budgets to ensure the assigned work is actually done?

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This consensus government is one of the most collaborative, inclusive governments in the country, with the exception of possibly Nunavut. We

collectively work together for six months to do business plans, draft the main estimates, bring a budget together that reflects the priorities of this collective Legislative Assembly, and then it is passed in this House. This is the Member’s sixth budget cycle, if my memory serves me correctly. Then the bill is assented to.

The departments all have the business plans. The Members all are aware of what’s in the main estimates. Then there is the business of government which now is to implement that budget, and it’s done through that business plan, through the strategic plans of the departments. Those priorities become the marching orders for the various departments. There are things that are done. There are variance reports that are done. Our managers manage. The Ministers oversee and are responsible for their departments.

We meet with committees on review of various projects and initiatives, either at the request of government or at the request of the committee, to try to track all the work that’s being done. We have a fairly comprehensive program in terms of putting the wishes of this Assembly into practice.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The Minister’s pretty good at putting the theory out there, but I didn’t hear an answer to my question. The government’s priorities are clear. Mineral strategy? We’ll get right on it. Fracking? Clear the decks. It’s clear what the Member’s priorities are too. Early childhood development? Talk to me in November. Renewable energy? We hope to get to it.

Can the Minister tell us, given that Members demand some modest dollars to be focused on their priorities and it becomes approved through the will of the House, how is it possible that a file lies dead for six months until November?

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

This document here that we’re debating in this House – this is the priorities of this Assembly, and these Members and this government – is $1.6 billion worth of priorities. We take our job very, very seriously. It is filled with dollars, over 60 cents of every dollar going into social programs. We are taking a very careful look at things that are very difficult, things like fracking. We have put together a business plan that reflects the times we live in. We have reflected the input of the Members. This is six months of work into this document.

The Member wants to know what we’re doing with renewable energy. We’re spending millions on renewable energy. We’re going to continue to do that. We are investing 60 cents of every dollar, over 320-some million dollars into Education, Culture and Employment’s budget.

The Member is talking about what happens when we do this budget process, after all this work is done and the Members decide, in addition to all the money that they’ve agreed to here, they want to put

more money in, often that puts us beyond what we’ve agreed to as targets. We’re having that discussion now. We’re engaged in that debate now.

Last year was the first year of this government. The budget was laid in the fiscal year. We acknowledged and pointed out that we would put this money into use but that we were clear that there were capacity issues of trying to get this money effectively into play. We follow the will of the House. We have the debate and we’re going to do that again this cycle.

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The Minister keeps holding up this document. I’m not talking about this document. I’m talking about the current year’s budget that we’ve fallen short on. This government has failed, and when the government fails to put the funds to work and those funds can’t be spent as intended, why does the government not come back to committee for input on reallocation? Termination of program development without consulting committee defies our principles of consensus government. This year we might have said move dollars back to Inclusive Schooling until we get a meaningful start on early childhood instead of last minute wasteful expenditures.

Will the Minister work with committee to audit the administration of this current year’s budget with respect to amendments to the budget made by the House in response to priorities raised by Regular Members? I’m talking about the ’12-13 budget.

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

This document, I’d be happy to hold up from last year’s. It’s about as thick as this one. The same principle that I’m articulating here today applies to last year’s budget as well. There are audits done. If the Members have specific concerns that they don’t think we’ve met, then we’d be happy to come back and talk to committee. We review the main estimates. We review budgets. We are working with and at the behest of committees when they have issues they want to address.

The money the Member’s talking about is the several millions of dollars that were added late in the last budget. The vast majority of the $1.6 billion budget, a billion dollars last year and this year, will be spent as we have agreed to and has been directed by this House. If the committee will articulate the source of their aggravation, displeasure and concern, then we would be happy to have those discussions, absolutely.

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Minister for that reasonable response. It wasn’t quite a commitment to the audit, but he’s willing to discuss things with committee. I think committee will take him up on that.

Our record is bad. We need to make it right. Following the passage of this budget, will the Finance Minister work with his Cabinet colleagues early in the fiscal year – by the spring session would be reasonable – to establish priority spending work plans, set up milestones, and monitor and provide regular reports to Members on the implementation of the priority programs that we add through discussion of the budget? Mahsi.

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, as Finance Minister I can tell you that I think, in fact, this budget, the last budget, every budget that I have been involved in in this House is a good budget. They tend to pass unanimously. We are doing an enormous amount of good work here. There is $1.6 million being put to work and the vast majority of it is spent on programs. It’s audited every year by the Auditor General. There are all sorts of other reviews done on an ongoing basis.

We, of course, will continue to work with committee and the Members to make sure that we have the best budget possible dealing with constraints that we work under and the fact that we have a plan that we’ve agreed to for the four years and in the two years coming up, we’re going to be adding money to the budget. But, yes, it is a given in this type of government that we will continue to work closely with the Members and the committees to make sure we do the best job possible for all the people we represent. Thank you.

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Question 172-17(4): Budget Priorities And Reallocation Process

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The people have been very concerned in the aftermath of the Highway No. 3 accident. They are wanting answers to their questions. I think Members are wanting answers to those very same questions such as why was the air ambulance told to stand down when it was clearly the obvious choice and proper patient triage and extraction. Another question such as why are there gaps in our emergency ground ambulance and air ambulance protocols. Keeping in my continued theme of this accident and trying to get to the bottom of what happened and what are some of our gaps, my questions today will be for the Minister of Justice .

In relationship to this most recent highway accident, will the Minister of Justice formally report to this House the full RCMP investigation that resulted in two deaths and a significant delay in patient care for the remaining victim? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The RCMP is investigating the accident and will determine a cause. If necessary, charges may or may not be laid. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, we have some of that recorded here. Will the Minister of Justice formally commit to a report of all communications to and from the RCMP, when the RCMP incident command officer called for medical help, and all communications involving this accident? Thank you.

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, the RCMP will conduct their investigation and what can be made public will be made public. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, again, we are waiting for this RCMP incident report. I just want to make sure that that report will be shared with everyone here in the House. It appears that the Minister of Justice is willing to accommodate or at least, by his response, to a certain degree to these questions.

Will the Minister commit to a third-party audit of the event’s scene, the security of the site, the first aid responders, the responses by all respected agencies and all comments from bystanders? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, the RCMP are professionals. They have professionals who took care and control of the scene. As I have indicated, they are doing an investigation and the aspects of that investigation that can be shared will be shared. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister indicate to this House when we may be able to see this RCMP investigation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, as I have indicated, the RCMP is doing a thorough investigation into this incident. Once they have completed that investigation, after they have gathered all of the evidence and they’ve done all the analysis that needs to be done, what can be shared will be shared. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-17(4): RCMP Incident Report Concerning Recent Highway No. 3 Accident

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 174-17(4): Cost Of Deh Cho Bridge Construction

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In 2010 Ruskin picked up the defunct contract on the Deh Cho Bridge and took the price from $167 million to $182 million. In less than a year we needed an additional $10 million that pushed the contract to

$192 million. In the spring of 2012, the McLeod government went even further by demanding $10 million that brought the project up to $202 million.

The question is to the Minister of Transportation . What value and services did the taxpayer of the Northwest Territories receive over and above the original 2010 signed contract with the GNWT and Ruskin? In essence, did we get anything more than a bumper sticker that said open 2012 instead of 2013? Thank you.

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Question 174-17(4): Cost Of Deh Cho Bridge Construction

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 174-17(4): Cost Of Deh Cho Bridge Construction

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The public in the Northwest Territories, the transportation companies, everybody has access to the Deh Cho Bridge. It has been open since November 30th . That is a great benefit to the

residents here in the Northwest Territories. We got the bridge open on November 30th of 2012. Had we

chosen a different path as the Member suggests, we would still be in court, the bridge wouldn’t be open and we’d still be asking ourselves many questions. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, what were the costs and savings realized when this government drove the contract from $192 million to $202 million? Thank you.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, that horse left the barn about six years ago. There have been a number of questions that have been asked over the years. I don’t believe it does us much good to be beating a dead horse. The bridge is open. If the Member wants specifics on what exactly that $10 million was used for, that money was used to get the contract complete by November 30th so that the

bridge could be put into service and that’s exactly what we did. The government was intent on getting that bridge put into service on November 30th .

There was a cost to do that. That is what we did, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 174-17(4): Cost Of Deh Cho Bridge Construction

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, in the Minister’s mind, that horse may have been gone six years ago, but I can tell you it’s before the taxpayer for the next 35 years, if not longer.

Why didn’t the Minister of Transportation mention that we saved approximately $2.4 million on the operation and maintenance of the ferry and the ice road services? If I have to answer my own questions in this House, I’m going to ask the Minister what was left over with the $7.6 million needed to open up the bridge a year earlier. What were the benefits of opening it up a year earlier other than spending $7.6 million uselessly? Thank you.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, it would have been a year worth of tolls on the bridge. It would have been a year’s worth of interest paid on that money which would have well exceeded the

$7.6 million the Member talks about. That bridge is open. Again, it’s serving the public of the Northwest Territories doing what it was supposed to do and intended to do. Thank you.

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Question 174-17(4): Cost Of Deh Cho Bridge Construction

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 174-17(4): Cost Of Deh Cho Bridge Construction

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Paying the interest on the loan is actually a bit of a misnomer. We would have had to pay that fee anyway. Where did the money really go and what benefit did the territorial citizens receive? The Minister is correct about the tolls being a wash when it comes to the money, but the tolls themselves wouldn’t have added up to $7.6 million of slush money to open up this particular bridge.

Where are the facts of where the money went to and what was the received benefit by opening it up a year early? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 174-17(4): Cost Of Deh Cho Bridge Construction

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, the benefits are that we’re not waiting, there is access to the North Slave region 24 hours a day, seven days a week. There is convenience. It’s good for transportation companies. It will be great for university students coming back from university in May. They won’t have to face leaving their vehicles in Hay River and fly to Yellowknife and then fly back to Hay River to pick up their vehicles.

It went into the contract. There were extra costs associated with accelerating the contract in order to get the bridge open by November 30th , and if the

Member wants to find exactly where that $7.6 million went, we’d be happy to share that information with him. I believe we have shared that information with him and committee at a previous meeting. I’d be more than happy to pick up that presentation that was provided to his committee.

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Question 174-17(4): Cost Of Deh Cho Bridge Construction

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 175-17(4): Psychiatrists And Psychologists In Correctional Facilities

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m just going to continue on the same theme here with the Mental Health Act. I have questions here today for the Minister of Justice .

I’d like to ask the Minister of Justice what is the number of psychiatrists and psychologists that we have in our current corrections facilities right now. How many psychiatrists and psychologists are there in the facilities?

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Question 175-17(4): Psychiatrists And Psychologists In Correctional Facilities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 175-17(4): Psychiatrists And Psychologists In Correctional Facilities

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Currently, corrections has psychologists at the North Slave Correctional Centre as well as

the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre who provide mental health services to our inmates. The North Slave Correctional Centre psychologist is currently on maternity leave and is being covered by a contracted psychologist. We don’t have any psychiatrists within our facilities, but psychiatrists are available at Stanton Regional Hospital and corrections has links to those services through referrals, just like any other NWT resident.

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Question 175-17(4): Psychiatrists And Psychologists In Correctional Facilities

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

It’s good to hear that they do have the services at our corrections facilities. My next question is, in terms of Justice, do peace officers in the Northwest Territories have a good understanding and education of the Mental Health Act, and also understand what their duties are, and under the Mental Health Act and legislation what they’re entitled to do should they encounter somebody with a mental health disorder? Is there a program that ensures they are educated on the Mental Health Act when they do come to the Northwest Territories?

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Question 175-17(4): Psychiatrists And Psychologists In Correctional Facilities

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

RCMP are familiar with their role under the Mental Health Act. It’s actually part of their training. On specifics, the types of training that they go through and how we ensure that they have that, I’ll get more information for the Member and committee on that. I did fail to indicate one psychologist position that we have at the North Slave Young Offenders Facility. We have a staff counsellor position or individual there who is in the process of obtaining her licence as a psychologist, under supervision of a licenced psychiatrist at Stanton. So we’re working on one more.

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Question 175-17(4): Psychiatrists And Psychologists In Correctional Facilities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Item 8, written questions. Mr. Moses .

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Written Question 19-17(4): NWT Mental Health Act

Written Questions

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services .

1. (

a) Under

Section 6(

a) and (

b) of the NWT

Mental Health Act, how many voluntary patients have there been throughout the Northwest Territories hospitals and health centres from the 2009-2010 fiscal year to the present?

(

b) Of those voluntary patients, how many were admitted into the hospital and how many were denied admittance during the same time period?

(

c) Of those voluntary patients denied admittance, how many were reasoned due to lack of beds and/or space during the same time period?

2. (

a) Under

Section 8(1), what are the specific

numbers in which a medical practitioner has had

to make an order for detention for a psychiatric assessment from the 2009-2010 fiscal year to the present?

(

b) Under

Section 8(3), how many reports has the Minister’s office received since the 2009-2010 fiscal year to the present?

3. (

a) Under

Section 15(1), what are the specific

numbers in which a medical practitioner had to apply to admit an involuntary patient from the 2009-2010 fiscal year to present?

(

b) Under

Section 16(1) and (2), how many applications has the Minister examined, and how many applications were approved, and how many were refused during the same time period?

(

c) Under

Section 17, how many times has the Minister had to approve an extension of time for applications from the –

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Written Question 19-17(4): NWT Mental Health Act

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Moses , I have just been informed that when you have written questions, you’re only allowed four supps and I think you’re about eight now. If you want to do a second one, you can, but as of right now you’re allowed only four.

---Ruled Out of Order

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Written Question 20-17(4): NWT Mental Health Act Treatment Data

Written Questions

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. New written questions to the Minister of Health and Social Services :

1. Under

Section 17 of the Mental Health Act, from

fiscal year 2009-2010 to the present, how many times has the Minister approved an extension of time for involuntary patient period of detection applications?

2. Under

Section 18 of the Mental Health Act, from

fiscal year 2009-2010 to the present, how many certificates of involuntary admission have been completed in NWT hospitals and health centres?

3. Under

Section 18.1(1), from fiscal year 2009-

2010 to the present, how many patients have had to be transferred outside of the NWT?

4. Under

Section 19.2(1), from fiscal year 2009-

2010 to the present, how many times has substitute consent been given on behalf of a voluntary or involuntary patient under Sections 19.2(1)(a), (c), (d), (e), (

f) and (g)?

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Written Question 20-17(4): NWT Mental Health Act Treatment Data

Written Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Ms. Bisaro .

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Written Question 21-17(4): Re-Profiled Funding For Early Childhood Development Initiatives 2012-2013

Written Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

For fiscal year 2012-2013, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment re-profiled $1 million from the Inclusive Schooling budget to Early Childhood Development initiatives.

Immediately following year end for fiscal year 2012-2013 March 31, 2013, I ask that the Minister provide a list of actual expenditures for that same $1 million.

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Written Question 21-17(4): Re-Profiled Funding For Early Childhood Development Initiatives 2012-2013

Written Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Item 9, returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.

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Return To Written Question 4-17(4): NWT Health Care Cards

Returns to Written Questions

Tim Mercer

Clerk Of The House

Mr. Speaker, I have a Return to Written Question 4-17(4) asked by Mr. Dolynny on February 11, 2013, to the Honourable Tom Beaulieu , Minister of Health and Social Services , regarding NWT health care cards.

According to the Bureau of Statistics, the estimated population of the Northwest Territories at December 31, 2012, was 43,349. The number of active NWT health care cards as of February 25, 3013, is 42,239.

The Department of Health and Social Services incorporates two types of health care audits:

1. a health care card renewal that happens every

three years; and

2. periodic review of client files throughout the

year.

A health care card renewal is currently underway for the 2013 calendar year. As a part of this renewal, approximately 38,000 residents will be required to complete and submit a NWT health care card renewal form. If clients send in their renewal form more than four months after their health care coverage expires, they are required to provide proof of residency in the form of one of the following:

• rent receipts, lease agreement or letter from a

private landlord, or confirmation from a financial institution that the resident has a mortgage for local residential property;

• utility, power, oil, property tax and/or phone bills;

• confirmation from Canada Revenue Agency that

the resident filed a NWT income tax return.

Periodic reviews also ask clients to provide confirmation that they are residents of the NWT. These reviews are usually a result of a client receiving continuous medical services outside the NWT.

The department completed 124 health care card periodic reviews in 2012 and is currently gathering the information on the results of these audits. We will keep the Members up to date on our findings.

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Return To Written Question 5-17(4): Alcohol-Related Health Conditions

Returns to Written Questions

Tim Mercer

Clerk Of The House

I have a Return to Written Question 5-17(4) asked by Mr. Yakeleya on February 11, 2013, to the Honourable Tom Beaulieu , Minister of Health and Social Services , regarding alcohol-related health conditions.

The actual costs to the Department of Health and Social Services of alcohol-related health conditions cannot be determined with a sufficient degree of certainty. While some health conditions can be linked to alcohol-related causes, those same health conditions may be due to other non-alcohol-related causes. Therefore, every individual case must be assessed to determine whether alcohol was a factor or not. However, there is no practical or feasible way of doing this. Similarly, alcohol-related conditions are not reportable under the Disease Registries Act, and as a result there is no mechanism for consistently collecting this type of information.

In spite of this, the department recognizes that the costs of alcohol-related health conditions are significant in the Northwest Territories. Alcohol misuse and abuse are considered to be major cost-drivers within the health system. With respect to hospitalizations, the average annual cost for those hospitalized with either a primary or secondary diagnosis of alcohol misuse is approximately $6.5 million.

Much like measuring the costs of alcohol-related health conditions, there is no universally accepted measure of success in alcohol treatment rehabilitation programs. In some programs, success is measured by sobriety. However, there is little agreement on how long a person needs to be sober to be counted as a success. In other programs, harm reduction through a reduced level of alcohol consumption is considered a success.

One of the more common ways of measuring treatment program success includes tracking the proportion of participants who complete the program. However, it should be noted that for programs that record only the number of participants who complete the program there is no follow-up with the participants. This is done in order to ensure that participation in the program is strictly private and confidential.

No personal information about the individuals participating in treatment is kept and, therefore, follow-up contact is not possible. While the department does not formally track the proportion of participants who complete treatment programs, Nats’ejee K’eh Treatment Centres does occasionally provide the department with participant completion rates. From April 1, 2012, to October 31, 2012, there were a total of 99 clients who had entered treatment, with 83 completing the program.

Ultimately, success is best measured by the individual who attended treatment. For some, staying sober through the 20-day program is a success. For others, remaining sober for weeks or months after treatment is a success. For still others, consuming less alcohol following treatment is success. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Written Question 6-17(4): Mackenzie Valley Winter Roads

Returns to Written Questions

Tim Mercer

Clerk Of The House

I have a Return to Written Question 6-17(4) asked by Mr. Yakeleya on February 11, 2013, to the Honourable David Ramsay , Minister of Transportation , regarding Mackenzie Valley winter roads.

Later today, at the appropriate time, I will table the document entitled Mackenzie Valley Winter Roads. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Written Question 6-17(4): Mackenzie Valley Winter Roads

Returns to Written Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Item 10, replies to opening address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Tabled Document 36-17(4): Government Of The Northwest Territories Response To Motion 19-17(3): Child Tax Benefit Clawback

Tabling of Documents

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document, entitled Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Motion 19-17(3), Child Tax Benefit Clawback.

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