Debates of March 19th, 2004

This is page numbers 85 - 112 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

2004 Social Work Week

Celebration Of Francophonie Day

2004 Arctic Winter Games

Premier Absent From The House

Tribute To Rick Tremblay

Appointment Of Resident Territorial Court Justice

Recognition Of The Addictions Counselling Profession

Tribute To Rick Tremblay

Poem Of Politics In The Northwest Territories

Caribou Carnival Princess And Queen Contestants

2004 Social Work Week

The Importance Of Family Support Systems

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Recognition Of Addiction Counsellor Profession

Fuel Assistance For Visitors To The North

Promoting Travel And Tourism In The North

Changes To The Territorial Parks Regulations

Promotional Slogan For The Nwt

Social Impacts Of Pipeline Development

Tabled Document 1-15(3): Alternatives North: Stop The NWT Clawback Of The National Child Tax Benefit Supplement

Bill 4: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2003-2004

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, No. 2

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Investigate The Feasibility Of A Human Resources Service Centre

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allen , Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Honourable Henry Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 85

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 7-15(3): 2004 Social Work Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 85

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This week is NWT Social Work Week. Today I rise to recognize the valuable contribution of social workers to children, families and communities in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, the profession of social work is ultimately centred upon helping and protecting people. Social workers bring their own unique strengths, skills, education and life experience to their jobs. You can find our social workers in hospitals, with the homeless, in treatment centres, women's shelters, elders' facilities, and in the family and children's services system. Their focus is always on ensuring that our most vulnerable neighbours have safe, respectful and nurturing environments.

Communities work in partnership with social workers to address issues that affect the people who live there. Those issues may include domestic violence, elder abuse, disabilities and addictions. Social workers are part of a health and social services team that can offer well-rounded solutions to these problems. They build on family and community strengths and provide supports when needed.

Mr. Speaker, the department and authorities have taken steps to promote the profession of social work within our integrated system.

• Funding is provided for workers to access professional development.

• We have added 20 social work positions to our system over the past three years.

• We have new standards of practice and guidelines of best practices.

• We support the development of a territorial foster parent association.

• We have developed resource booklets promoting the profession to both high school students and adults.

• We have developed an interactive program that is available on CD and on our web site to help people learn more about social work.

• We attend career fairs to promote social work to high school students. Earlier this week we were in Inuvik, and next week we will attend a career fair in Yellowknife.

• Social workers helped us to develop a tool kit to promote their profession to people in the communities. The tool kit includes many of the resources I have already mentioned, along with tips to help people talk about their job.

• We support non-government organizations to provide services and to advocate for community members.

Mr. Speaker, this year's theme for Social Work Week is social work for social justice. Join me in recognizing social workers through the NWT who bring positive social change to NWT families and communities every day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 7-15(3): 2004 Social Work Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 85

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 8-15(3): Celebration Of Francophonie Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 85

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Tomorrow, Saturday, March 20th, will culminate a week of international celebration as Francophones and Francophiles throughout the Northwest Territories join with people in India, Senegal, and Egypt, among others, to honour their culture and heritage through Francophonie Day.

(Translation) This day was created in 1998 as a way for the ensemble of people who speak the French and Creole languages to celebrate their common bond. Honoured over five continents and uniting over 170 million speakers, French speakers join together with the United Nations to reaffirm their common commitment to peace, democracy and bridging cultural diversity. (Translation ends)

As Minister responsible for official languages, I am pleased to highlight that here in the Northwest Territories, we, too, are a part of the celebrations.

In Fort Smith, a storyteller will be attending with students and others to enjoy the tradition of oral history, drum making and puppetry. As well, students of the Francophone Association's after-school program will be opening an exhibit at the Northern Lights Museum entitled, "The Magic of the North," a photography exhibit featuring a student's view of why Fort Smith is important to them.

(Translation) At L'Ecole boreale in Hay River, a reading challenge has been set where students are challenged to reach 25,000 minutes during the month of March. As well,

on Saturday evening, families from Francophone countries will be joining at the curling rink for a fete involving food and dancing from the 10 countries represented in the Hay River area. (Translation ends)

In Yellowknife, we will once again be treated to the annual Cabane a sucre or Sugar Shack at both the Snow King's Castle and during Caribou Carnival.

(Translation) As well, individual celebrations will be held in immersion programs throughout the North and with families and friends. (Translation ends)

Mr. Speaker, please join me as throughout the North, Canada and the world, people celebrate the beauty of the French language. Merci.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 8-15(3): Celebration Of Francophonie Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Zoe .

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Minister's Statement 9-15(3): 2004 Arctic Winter Games

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to update Members on the successes of our Northwest Territories Team at the 2004 Arctic Winter Games, recently hosted by the Regional Municipality of Wood Buffalo, Alberta.

The Arctic Winter Games were created in 1970 to promote athletic competition, cultural exhibition and social interchange. I believe that the nearly 1,600 athletes and cultural performers representing 10 contingents from seven different countries at this year's games would agree that these values are as evident today as they were in the past.

The opportunity for young people to attend and participate in the Arctic Winter Games is there only because of the commitment from a number of people who work tirelessly to make it happen. I would like to take a moment to recognize these people.

First and foremost, I want to recognize the athletes and cultural performers themselves. We cannot have a Team NWT without you, so please know that we are proud of each and every one of you for your enthusiasm, your dedication and your sportsmanship.

I would like to extend my congratulations to each of our 105 ulu medal winners. I hope that each of you continues to excel and to always represent the Northwest Territories with your best effort.

To the volunteers and officials from the Sport North Federation and the territorial sport organizations, congratulations on once again preparing our team. A special note of recognition is due for Mr. Bill Othmer from the Sport North Federation who served as our chef de mission for Team NWT. Congratulations to Mr. Othmer and his mission staff.

I would also like to make special mention to all the parents who support their children in their athletic or cultural pursuits. Their dedication of time and money to the development of all our youth is so very deeply appreciated.

Mr. Speaker, while at the Arctic Winter Games, it was my pleasure to launch the recently completed Inuit-style wrestling manual during the wrestling competitions. I was also pleased that the Secretary of State for Physical Activity and Amateur Sport, the Honourable Stan Keyes, was able to join me for this event. This new resource is an important document that supports the teaching and learning of traditional Inuit wrestling, and the manual is dedicated to the late Rick Tremblay, who, for many years, was a leader in amateur wrestling in the North.

I am pleased at this time to acknowledge Rick Tremblay's widow, Nancy Trotter, who was unable to be present in Fort McMurray for the launch, but has joined us here today in the visitors' gallery. Ms. Trotter, please accept our sincere thanks to Rick for all he did for youth in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I am glad that so many Members from this House were able to attend the Arctic Winter Games to show their support for Team NWT and for the games in general.

This gave a clear indication to the athletes and cultural performers from the Northwest Territories that we are proud of their strong effort and enthusiastic participation.

Mr. Speaker, we can be proud of our sport and recreation system and these most recent Arctic Winter Games are a great example of the good that can come from it. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 9-15(3): 2004 Arctic Winter Games

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister Roland .

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Minister's Statement 10-15(3): Premier Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As announced yesterday, the Honourable Joe Handley will be absent from the House today to attend the federal/provincial/territorial Intergovernmental Affairs meeting in Montreal, Quebec. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 10-15(3): Premier Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 86

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Great Slave , Mr. Bill Braden .

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Tribute To Rick Tremblay

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 86

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. During the Arctic Winter Games in Fort McMurray two weeks ago, I was proud to accept the invitation of the Honourable Henry Zoe to help represent the NWT and this Assembly. The three days that I spent there were actually the sixth chance that I've had to be at an Arctic Winter Games, Mr. Speaker; three times as a reporter; twice as a volunteer; and this time as a representative of this government. That goes back to the very first time the games were staged here in Yellowknife 34 years ago.

I was impressed, Mr. Speaker, not only with the calibre of our cultural performers and the skill and play of our athletes, but also with their sense of fair play and sportsmanship. Overall, they showed the NWT as a cool and a class act that sets a great standard for all athletes.

One of the most memorable events was not a competitive one. As Mr. Zoe mentioned in his statement, the NWT paid tribute to one of our great volunteers, the late Rick Tremblay, in dedicating a new technical manual on the traditional sport of Inuit wrestling. The dedication ceremony was made on the mats in the wrestling arena, as athletes from much of the circumpolar world applauded Rick's contribution to wrestling and the NWT's contribution in the form of a manual. A former Member of this Assembly, Titus Allooloo, was also there as a former games athlete, coach and, this year, as an advisor to the sport of Inuit wrestling.

Mr. Speaker, it wasn't possible for Rick's family to attend the ceremony in Fort McMurray, but I am pleased to see his widow, Nancy Trotter, here today. Joining her is Abe Theil, the president of Sport North, and Mr. Paul Christopher who is the president of the NWT Wrestling Association.

Rick's passing in the summer of 2001, Mr. Speaker, was a deep shock and a great loss. He was a tireless volunteer. His big, positive outlook on life was infectious, and it's what made him such a valued and now greatly-missed volunteer.

The dedication of this manual to Rick is a small but fitting tribute to a great guy, and I join Mr. Zoe , Mr. Speaker, in hoping that through the dedication of this manual, the hundreds of sport volunteers across the NWT take notice and accept our thanks for their enormous contribution not only to the Arctic Winter Games, but to sport every day across the North. Thank you.

---Applause

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Tribute To Rick Tremblay

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .

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Appointment Of Resident Territorial Court Justice

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, seeing as today is Friday, I would like to close out the week with a good-news story. What I am referring to, Mr. Speaker, is the recent announcement by the Minister of Justice that Ms. Bernadette Schmaltz has been appointed as a judge to the territorial court and she will be residing in Hay River.

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Appointment Of Resident Territorial Court Justice

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

An Hon. Member

Hear, hear.

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Appointment Of Resident Territorial Court Justice

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

This is terrific news, Mr. Speaker, as this means that there will be very little disruption to the continuity of judicial services provided to the residents of the South Slave.

Mr. Speaker, I, along with my colleague from Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen , lobbied very hard to have this position remain in Hay River, and we are extremely pleased that this has come to fruition. I would like to take this opportunity on behalf of myself and all of Hay River to thank the Honourable Minister of Justice and Attorney General, Mr. Charles Dent , and all Cabinet Members for allowing this appointment to become a reality.

I have heard from a number of Hay River residents who know Ms. Schmaltz personally. Hay River is a wonderful place to live and I know she will be a great asset to our community.

Mr. Speaker, the swearing-in ceremony took place on March 8th and I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate her on her appointment as judge to the Territorial Court.

Mr. Speaker, Ms. Schmaltz will not be taking up residency in Hay River until approximately one year from now, but we all look forward to giving her a very warm welcome and making her feel at home. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Appointment Of Resident Territorial Court Justice

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Recognition Of The Addictions Counselling Profession

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 87

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, March 14th to 20th is Social Work Week in the NWT and I would like to ask you to join me in recognizing the important work done throughout the year by social workers across the Northwest Territories, as we take time to voice our appreciation for the job that social workers do.

I would also like to recognize other important segments of the social work network that are often overlooked and those are the addictions counsellors and addictions workers. It is not only those with a mental health or social work degree background who do social work. Addictions counsellors and addictions workers are a vital component of the health and social services delivery system. Addictions counsellors are frontline workers whose services make a difference in the lives of individuals and families struggling with addictions throughout the NWT. Yet, Mr.

Speaker, addiction counselling has never officially been recognized as a profession in the NWT. It is time for that to be changed, Mr. Speaker. It is time for policymakers to take a more inclusionary position and recognize the reality of who is doing addiction counselling in the NWT and how.

Recognition of the addiction counselling profession will allow for greater accountability for those who provide the services to addiction and mental health clients. This directly translates into better services to clients and better protection to those who work in this field. It's something we can all support.

The Canadian Addiction Counsellor Certification Board has been legally certifying and monitoring addiction counsellors in Canada for over 15 years. Their standards are recognized nationally and internationally. There is a north of 60 regional

chapter in my constituency. In September last year, the Department of Health and Social Services publicly stated that they accept the certification and training of addictions counsellors done by the Canadian Addiction Counsellor Certification Board, however they have yet to recognize this profession.

Mr. Speaker, my colleague, MLA for Hay River North, Mr. Delorey , and I have spoken numerous times in this House on this subject. We have spoken directly to the Minister and we have spoken directly to the department. Mr. Speaker, it is time to take the next step. At the appropriate time, I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services on this subject. Thank you.

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Recognition Of The Addictions Counselling Profession

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Tribute To Rick Tremblay

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I didn't have a Member's statement, but I will tell you that when the Honourable Henry Zoe brought up this dedication to Rick Tremblay, it moved me to stand and say a few words.

Rick Tremblay was a lot of things to many of us. I met him in Fort Simpson when I was a young man. Seeing the dedication of this Inuit-style wrestling manual going in his name is very moving, I am sure, to his family. It surely brings warmth to my spirit and I can only imagine what it means to his family.

Rick, to many of us in Fort Simpson, was a lot of things. He was coach. He taught me wrestling as well as many other things. He always had time for all of us and took the time. He was a teacher as well. I can still remember him bringing his glass eyes to class and always making us laugh with this big belly smile and big beard. He was a mentor because he was somebody we looked up to. He was a class above everyone else.

He was also a friend. His passing in 2001 really hurt a lot of us. Like I say, it doesn't compare, I am sure, to the emotions that that brought to his family. So, Mr. Speaker, in closing I just want to say this book is just one element of a fitting legacy many of us will remember of a man who touched all of us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Tribute To Rick Tremblay

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .

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Poem Of Politics In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since this is a Friday session, I want to put a little poetry into my Member's statement today, a poem written about my wife and I as we travelled into rural Canada to promote and educate people about the Northwest Territories. A local poet by the name of Ken Blacklock wrote this poem on March 7, 2004. I haven't gotten up to recite a poem since my university days at the University of Colorado in 1972 or 1973, so I ask you to indulge me as I may sound awfully rusty. Here goes my concerted effort, Mr. Speaker.

"Though politicians ain't always my friends,

Today I will try to make amends.

I welcome to Alberta and Blue Ridge,

An MLA who is down from the northern fridge.

Roger Allen is the Member of the Northwest

Territories Assemblies

Living in Yellowknife, the Northwest Territories.

With his wife Dodie, a teacher on spring break,

Wants to visit Fort Floyd Sydney, so a holiday

they take.

They have no political parties, just sometimes

after meeting

They sit and talk together, no sides in the seating.

And after they decide the roadwork they will do,

The NWT no longer means "no way through."

So today we give a welcome to Roger and his wife,

A politician that I haven't given any strife.

An Inuit, Gwich'in, Irishman, a territorial blend,

A Canadian gentleman I'd be proud to call my friend."

Mr. Speaker, many of the people I meet are fascinated by our governing system, so I take much pride in promoting our beautiful territory throughout my sojourns. That is how I will share this poem with you, my friends. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Poem Of Politics In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 88

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Caribou Carnival Princess And Queen Contestants

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this Sunday, March 21st, will be the official kick-off of spring, although it doesn't feel like it outside at the moment. Spring in Yellowknife means Caribou Carnival, Mr. Speaker. This is an occasion where all residents, visitors, families, young and old, partake in numerous events that are taking place. This will begin next Friday, Mr. Speaker. Some of the events that we have gotten used to enjoying at this carnival are dog mushing, or a tea boiling contest, or vying to be the owner of the ugliest truck in town. I was going for that until recently when I sold my ugly truck.

Anyway, Mr. Speaker, this being Friday, I thought I would add some humour here. One of the most visible and important parts of this event is the contest to choose the Caribou Carnival queen, princess and, this year, prince. The winner is chosen by the number of tickets sold, but in the process, these contestants become great ambassadors for the events and get people really excited and get the anticipation of the event built. It was in the spirit of joining this excitement, that the Yellowknife MLAs of this Assembly invited all the contestants to join us in the gallery today and to share lunch with us later on.

I believe that most of them were able to join us and I will be recognizing them at the appropriate time later on.

I would just like to thank the contestants, all of them, for putting their names forward in this venture and making an important contribution to this very important event in our city.

I should also thank all the sponsors without whom we couldn't hold these events. If anyone has had a chance to look at the tickets being sold by these contestants, there are some spectacular prizes that are serving as great incentives for everyone to sell as many tickets as possible.

I think that is a very important aspect of it. So, Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to give a plug for our Caribou Carnival which starts next Friday and to invite the Members to come and say hi to their contestants when they get an opportunity throughout the early afternoon today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Caribou Carnival Princess And Queen Contestants

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 89

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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2004 Social Work Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the social workers who have been working in my riding of Nahendeh. I know that they're working very hard. Just on behalf of myself and the people I represent, I would just like to say thank you very much for the work that they're doing. Mahsi cho.

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2004 Social Work Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 89

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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The Importance Of Family Support Systems

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 89

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was thinking last night and this morning what to say in making a Member's statement. Last night, my little boy and my wife came from Tulita, a 17-hour drive, and I was thinking about my appreciation for the role of our families in the life of an MLA. When I left here last night, I met them on the road going home and my little boy was happy to see me. He looked at me and said, "Daddy's ears are cold." He had a little red toque on and he said, "Here, Dad, use these." It's things like that that make it worthwhile, and I want to express appreciation to the families.

I really thought about it last night, how they really make a difference and the sacrifice they make for us to be here and to be away from our families and communities. I was trying to think about what kind of life we're going to leave for little guys like my little boy. We have some very important decisions to make, and owning up to those decisions and taking responsibility for those decisions is one tool that I would like to leave to my son and all other children. It's really important that we do this.

I thought about it last night and though I could stand up and make other statements that are very important for various reasons to our people, it's really important now not to forget our family and to honour them. They're really, really precious. I just have a lot of fun with my little boy, and I think of the other children and I think of the other MLAs' children and grandchildren, and it's really important that at the end of the day it's our children who are going to carry on our legacy.

Our legacy sometimes is very tough; sometimes it's very hard and sometimes we just want to let people know that we're doing our darnedest and our best here in the Legislative Assembly. I want to say I appreciate the people who make our jobs a lot easier, who make us look good in the public, and it's the people who surround us. I want to let the public know, in the Northwest Territories, that family is very important in this job here. So, Mr. Speaker, thank you very much.

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The Importance Of Family Support Systems

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 89

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Lee .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 89

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and colleagues. As I indicated earlier, we have in our presence the contestants for the Caribou Carnival queen, the princess and prince, and I would just like to call their names and if they are there if they could stand up and bow. Mildred Wilke, Jodi Wilson, Elisbeth Fossum, Chelsey Normandin; they are the contestants for queen. For princesses: Alaina Reyes; Blessing Tsar; Danica Wouters; Ramona Normandin; Karlee Turner; and, Stacey Grandjambe. Thank you.

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Page 89

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David Krutko

Welcome to the House. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Braden .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 89

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a pleasure today to recognize four constituents that I know in the Assembly today; of course, Ms. Nancy Trotter; Paul Christopher of the NWT Wrestling Federation; my constituency assistant, Mr. John Argue; and, our royalty in waiting, Mr. Speaker, Mildred Wilke. Thank you.

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Page 89

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. For those people who haven't been recognized, I would like to welcome you to the Legislative Assembly to watch the proceedings today. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 37-15(3): Recognition Of Addiction Counsellor Profession

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 89

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in September of last year, the Department of Health and Social Services publicly stated that they accept and support the certification and training of addictions counsellors done by the Canadian Addiction Counsellors Certification Board. This board has been legally certifying, training and monitoring addiction-specific counsellors throughout Canada for over 15 years. Mr. Speaker, my question today for the Minister of Health and Social Services is will the Minister commit to the next step by moving to officially recognize the addiction counsellor profession? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 89

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David Krutko

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 89

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, we've made some commitments and committed some funds and have taken the direction with addictions where we've now transformed addictions counsellor positions into community wellness workers, where they have, hopefully, the ability to deal with issues over and above just strictly addictions. I recognize the clear and important role that that particular part of their job description covers, and we are working as a government to come up with a training plan and a fixed curriculum that will, in fact, allow them to be properly trained to meet the job description requirements. That is our commitment as a government. Thank you.

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Page 90

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David Krutko

Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 37-15(3): Recognition Of Addiction Counsellor Profession

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister if at the present time there are any standardized credentials required of people working in the addictions field in the NWT. Is there a minimum requirement, or is it just something that's all over the map and not stated as requirements when positions like these are filled? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

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Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the type of training that has been used in the past and is still being used today is the Nechi training which has, I believe, eight components. We continue to access that training where those workers have been hired and are engaged in that activity. Thank you.

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Page 90

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David Krutko

Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, when there are already terms of reference and standards that have already been set nationally and internationally, why would the NWT want to reinvent the process at considerable time and expense when in fact they could adopt something that is already readily recognized? Thank you.

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Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wouldn't consider the Nechi training reinventing the wheel. It brings an important perspective and a type of training to bear in this area that is important. In fact, I have taken a couple of modules myself back when I was involved in the field. Our Member is correct, we are not interested in reinventing the wheel. We have had contact with the people referenced by my colleague, and we're going to continue to stay in contact with them as we try to develop the best training plan possible for community wellness workers. Thank you.

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Page 90

The Speaker

David Krutko

Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Then my last question to the Minister would be when would he anticipate that these standards and recognition and certification would be put in place, and when would the addictions counselling profession be included in the NWT Medical Professions Act? Thank you.

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Page 90

The Speaker

David Krutko

Minister of Health and Social Services , two questions.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will commit to having a package that I can take to the Social Programs committee and to the Members prior to our next gathering of session.

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Page 90

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David Krutko

Item 6, oral questions. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .

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Question 38-15(3): Fuel Assistance For Visitors To The North

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question this morning is to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, and it's in context of my many travels into rural parts of Western Canada and speaking with many of the individuals who would like to come north of 60 to visit our beautiful country. One suggestion they asked me to convey to this Assembly is if the department would consider introducing some form of a gas coupon that they can have once they cross the port of entry at the 60th parallel to see if it would help reduce the cost of their visit to the Territories. I would like to ask the Minister if he's willing to consider such a policy change in that regard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 38-15(3): Fuel Assistance For Visitors To The North

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

The Speaker

David Krutko

Minister of RWED , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a very interesting proposal. While I won't commit to making a policy change at this point or implementing such a scheme, it is something that I would like to take a further look at. I had discussions this morning with the Yukon MP, Larry Bagnell. We had discussions about the need to work collaboratively as three territories to brand Canada's North, or brand the Canadian Arctic. I think we can get more bang for our buck if we work in conjunction.

I had certainly indicated to him that I will be reaching out to the Ministers of Tourism in Yukon and Nunavut, to have discussions about this. The high cost of accessing our areas is certainly something that hurts us in that regard, and so is a lack of infrastructure. I think we have to do a lot to develop products.

I know it's certainly expensive to travel in this part of the world. Anything we can do that would help offset that I think is welcome. So I would like to sit down with the Member and discuss the proposal further. I think there are probably a lot of good ideas from people in the field. I rely on the NWT Arctic Tourism Association to come up with suggestions, as well, but I would really be interested in hearing from the Regular Members with any proposals that they have. Thank you.

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Page 90

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David Krutko

Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 39-15(3): Promoting Travel And Tourism In The North

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 90

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just in follow up to that, my question is also to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . As Mr. Allen has stated, many of us, and I'm sure many people in the public service as well, travel

extensively throughout Canada. We hand out business cards on a regular basis. There was an idea that had come forward some time back about utilizing the business cards that we hand out as an opportunity to promote travel and tourism in the Northwest Territories. I would like to know what the Minister could do to support that idea. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Minister of RWED , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 91

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it's a very inexpensive and great way to promote our territory. I believe the Development Corporation currently does it, and I would certainly be willing to talk to the departmental officials and to the Premier about seeing if we couldn't do this with a government-wide approach. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 91

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had observed on some NWT employee's business cards a word that says tourism...Or, it's two words. It says tourism information and a 1-800 number. It's just in regular print. Would the Minister commit to working with his department to develop something that looks a little more interesting, that might be a little more eye catching than just a regular print with a telephone number beside it? Perhaps a different font with some aurora passing through it, or something that we would be happy to put on our business cards. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you. For Members of the Assembly, that's a decision the Board of Management would have to make, but I think it's a good idea. I think that reference to a web site is probably more helpful than a 1-800 number. I see no reason why we wouldn't look at something like this. It's a very inexpensive way to promote the Territories. It would have to go to the Board of Management. Where it relates to RWED, I'll certainly have discussions about that with my staff. But I think it's something the Member should bring to the attention of the board. Thank you.

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Mrs. Groenewegen , supplementary.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would be happy to work with my colleagues on the Governance and Economic Development committee, under which tourism falls, to bring that to the Board of Management. Would the Minister undertake to have a prototype designed of something that would be standardized, so that we don't have a lot of different logos and symbols and words out there? Would he commit to have that design undertaken, then allow us to bring that back to our Board of Management which would at least get it on the business cards of the Members in this House, and perhaps others as well? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Certainly, we can do that. I will do that. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 40-15(3): Changes To The Territorial Parks Regulations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 91

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the honourable Minister of RWED . My question is with regard to a matter earlier brought up in the House regarding a 14-day maximum stay in our territorial parks. It has been brought to my attention that this policy has been updated, and I'm enquiring to the honourable Member if he would make that policy available for all Members of AOC when the update is completed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister of RWED , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Certainly, I will do that. I have had my staff approach the AOC committee staff to make sure that we put the offer out there for a briefing on this policy. I know that we're very jammed up here trying to get a budget through by the 31st, and it's likely something that will happen after session, but I would like to come before committee and talk about it. I'm not sure if it was the GED committee or the AOC committee; I'll certainly check. Obviously we can make that available to all Regular Members. Thank you.

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Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Page 91

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the honourable Minister would speak just in general at this time about some of the anticipated changes -- maybe not specifics if we're not in a position to do that -- if the honourable Minister could speak to the types of changes we should be expecting. I note that the committee that this may go to would probably be GED, and I would appreciate if it goes to all Members by a copy of the letter. Thank you.

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Page 91

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David Krutko

Minister of RWED , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is right; the offer has been made to GED. I don't know how the protocol will work in this Assembly, but certainly in the past committees were able to invite other Regular Members who had an interest in participating to participate in those meetings. If that's not the case, then I will certainly make the offer to AOC.

I would say that the nature of this policy change is related to the 14-day stay at territorial campgrounds. I know that it has been a difficulty, especially here locally and in Hay River, that the local residents can only stay in any territorial campground for 14 days. It's a problem, especially with the proximity of the campground here at Fred Henne Park to the city. It's very convenient for local residents. We want to make sure that camp spots are available for tourists, but we have to also be able to accommodate the local population who obviously want to enjoy our beautiful campgrounds, as well.

So the policy change surrounds that 14-day stay, and we're looking at relaxing that 14-day maximum in the shoulder seasons. I don't have those exact dates before me, but we're talking about spring and fall. In the peak times, I think we'll still have to maintain the 14-day standard, but I think we can relax that when there's less demand on the park. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 41-15(3): Promotional Slogan For The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 92

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this being Friday, I would also like to touch on a lighter topic, but an important point and it has been raised by two other Members already. It is with regard to the messages and slogans, sort of the branding of the Territories. I do believe the previous questions focussed on this idea as a tourism strategy. But someone has brought to my attention -- I believe she's in the gallery -- the fact that the NWT does not have an NWT-wide label or a brand name or a slogan or something that we use repeatedly that is recognizable around the world.

I can think of departments having that. For example, the Department of Transportation has a sign that says "On the Move." I think that's a good name that recognizes the department.

My question is to the Minister of RWED . In his deliberations and considerations of the points that were raised earlier, would the Minister consider adding into that a slogan for the NWT? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 92

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David Krutko

Minister of RWED , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 92

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

I will certainly bring this point and this discussion to the Premier 's attention. I think it's important if we're going to have a corporate message for the Government of the Northwest Territories, that obviously it's his department that needs to take the lead. But as the Territories are concerned, territorial-wide and as it relates to tourism, I think we do need to do and make more of an effort to brand the Northwest Territories around the world. It's a competitive market for tourism expenditures and there are many countries and many jurisdictions in the world for tourists to visit.

We'd like to make sure that they come here. I think it does make sense to have a consistent message when the various pieces of this government and other agencies outside the government are out and are speaking about the Northwest Territories. A clear, concise and consistent message coming forward on behalf of the Northwest Territories would certainly be helpful. I'd like to speak to my departmental officials in tourism about that, but, most importantly, the NWT Arctic Tourism folks who I think have done a lot of good work in this regard, and see where we are at this point. Thank you.

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Question 41-15(3): Promotional Slogan For The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 92

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Following on that, would the Minister consider conducting a contest among the residents of the Territories? Not a huge money-spending venture, but a contest on a web site or polling where people could click on with different ideas of what the slogans are. Maybe we could end up with the top three and then we could have a final match. Would the Minister consider something like that? Thank you.

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Page 92

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David Krutko

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Page 92

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

It is a very interesting idea. I suppose I would ask the Member if she is proposing that we revisit the "Within Reach but Beyond Belief" message or slogan that we have had on behalf of the Arctic in the past. Is that the suggestion, that we need to sort of retool that and come up with another message? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 92

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just want to be clear that I am going beyond the message for tourism. I think that message for the tourism industry is a good one and it has been used for a long time. I am suggesting something different, a little slogan for the whole Territories, NWT government or the NWT as a whole. In British Columbia, for example, they use the slogan "Beautiful British Columbia," I don't know if this is for tourism. I think PEI has a short message that everybody understands, which I can't remember at the moment; sorry. So I am looking for something beyond tourism ideas.

Something that is for the NWT, something like "On the Move" for transportation, that works for the department, but something short and precise. I don't know; I am not going to suggest that now, but something short for the NWT. Would he consider that? Thank you.

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Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

I think it is probably best at this point, before I try to propose something and embarrass myself thoroughly, that I take this to the Premier and we have some discussion about this as a government. Thank you.

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Page 92

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David Krutko

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 42-15(3): Social Impacts Of Pipeline Development

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 93

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank God it is Friday.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, it was interesting hearing from the Minister of Health and Social Services on the aspect of the Nechi training. I am also a product of the Nechi training that was held in the Northwest Territories. I would like to ask the question to the Minister, would he continue his support for the Nechi training, especially in the Sahtu region, in light of the potential impacts that may happen down the Mackenzie Valley? My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Would he continue on with the Nechi training in the North? Thank you.

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Page 93

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David Krutko

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Page 93

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, currently I understand there are five staff that are engaged in taking Nechi training. As I committed to the Member for Hay River South , we will be coming forward with a package which we will share with the Social Programs committee to get their feedback and advice so that we can come up with the best plan possible for community wellness workers so that we have some formal training that clearly encompasses the addictions component, as well as other areas of their job description. Thank you.

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Page 93

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Minister. The Sahtu region got together on March 2nd, 3rd and 4th. One of the themes that came out of that leaders meeting for our future government in Norman Wells was the social impact of potential resources that may happen down the Mackenzie Valley. I would like to ask the Minister if he would work with the other Ministers in terms of preparing for the potential development in the Mackenzie Valley, especially the Sahtu region where they voiced a lot of concern in regard to preparing for some potential development in the region. Thank you.

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Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 93

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are currently working groups that are at work due to the issue of the social impact of major resource development, as well as the government through the social agenda policy conference that was held. Our response to that conference was we committed $1 million to do some pilot projects in the impacted areas to try to help the communities get ready for the impact of major resource development. We have just concluded the first year of that process. We are evaluating what has been done to date.

We were somewhat late getting started, but we are committing to that process as well, and will be coming back to Cabinet with the results of the first year. So, yes, Mr. Speaker, we are committed to working with the affected regions and the communities as a government as we try to deal with and anticipate the impact of major resource development. Thank you.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, replies to budget address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Mr. Braden .

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Tabled Document 1-15(3): Alternatives North: Stop The NWT Clawback Of The National Child Tax Benefit Supplement

Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Page 93

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I referred to a study on the National Child Benefit Supplement, and I would like to table the document this morning offered by Alternatives North called "Stop the NWT Clawback of the National Child Tax Benefit Supplement." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Page 93

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 14, tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Mr. Roland .

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Bill 4: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2003-2004

Item 16: Notices Of Motion For First Reading Of Bills

Page 93

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Monday, March 22, 2004, I will move that Bill 4, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2003-2004, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Mr. Roland .

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Item 18: First Reading Of Bills

Page 93

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Thebacha , that Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act , be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Item 18: First Reading Of Bills

Page 93

The Speaker

David Krutko

Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 2 has had first reading. Item 18, first reading of bills. Minister Roland .

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Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, No. 2

Item 18: First Reading Of Bills

Page 94

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for North Slave , that Bill 3,

An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act, No. 2 , be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, No. 2

Item 18: First Reading Of Bills

Page 94

The Speaker

David Krutko

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 3 has had first reading. Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 1 , Appropriation Act, 2004-2005; Committee Report 1-15(3): Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight Report on the Review of the Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates; and, Committee Report 2-15(3): Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Review of the Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates, with Mrs. Groenewegen in the chair.

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Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 94

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

I call Committee of the Whole to order. Yesterday we left off working on Bill 1 , Appropriation Act, 2004-2005, under the Department of Finance. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Allen .

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Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 94

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would strongly suggest that we conclude or continue to review the Department of Finance, and if we conclude in time, that we move on to the report on the Financial Management Board Secretariat. With that, Madam Chair, that is what I would suggest. Thank you.

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Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 94

The Chair

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Okay, does the committee agree?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Yes, Madam Chair, I would like to have the witnesses come in. It might be a few minutes before they can make it down here.

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Okay, well, maybe we will just have a very brief break while we are giving the Minister a chance to get set up. Thank you.

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I will call Committee of the Whole back to order and ask the Minister if he would like to bring officials in.

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Thank you. I will ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to escort the witnesses in.

Mr. Minister, could you please introduce your witnesses, for the record, please?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. To my right is the deputy minister of the Department of Finance, Margaret Melhorn; and, to my left is Mr. Mel Enge, director of finance and administration.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. On my questions, yesterday we left off on page 3-20 as you indicated, Madam Chair. In response to my last question before the time ran out, Mr. Roland 's officials had indicated under Liquor Licensing Board revenue, licensing fees and fines were the break...If they can give me an indication of how that breaks out. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. My understanding is they are getting information on the other income portion, the $180,000 for 2004-05 and what that was made up of. I believe we did provide some information on the Liquor Licensing Board revenue of $632,000. So can we have some clarification on which area?

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Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. Basically I am trying to get an idea of what the breakdown is of that $632,000. Is that 90 percent fines or 90 percent licence fees? I just want to get an idea of what that composition is. I suspect it's just two line items as you had mentioned yesterday. If you could give us a further breakdown on that.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. The breakdown of that, I don't have the specific numbers, but the majority of that are the fees that are charged to the organizations. The fines make up a small portion of that $632,000. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

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Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. Minister. That's more than satisfactory on that. Unless, of course, someone else has concern, I'm completely fine with that.

At this moment, would the Minister be able to answer further questions as I enquired about on other income with regard to the end result of the refunded bottles? Or should I at this point bow to the Chair and someone to take the mike if he's not prepared to answer those? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. We do have more information on bottle deposits in the NWT, and we can provide that hard copy to Members or I can read it off.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. For the benefit of maybe all Members, I would be more than happy if he provided a hard copy while we have a discussion at this moment. If I or any other Member at the time is citing any concerns, we can perhaps ask to go back to page 3-20. So just to move forward, I would be happy to accept a hard copy at this time. Thank you.

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Thank you. I'm not exactly sure how readily available copies of that would be. If they can be distributed... Mr. Hawkins , we're almost at the end of this particular department, we only have a couple more pages and then the department

summary. So I'm afraid that if we conclude this, I don't know if there will be an opportunity to go back to this department, unless you want to defer it. Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

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Thank you, Madam Chair. Then at this time, maybe if the Minister will walk us through it just quickly. Specifically, I'm more so interested in what happens, how the agreement works out with regard to the refunding process, who retains ownership of the bottles once they have been refunded, and is that built into the contract fee with the vendor who does the return of the bottle process. Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will go through what we are now handing out to Members. As well, I would just like to inform Members that as the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development moves forward on its recycling initiative, this portion of it will change because it will be incorporated into the program that is now going to be administered through Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development.

So the information we have now is we currently have bottle return depots in Fort Simpson, Fort Smith, Yellowknife, Inuvik and Hay River. In Norman Wells, a local volunteer group collects containers and then ships them out to Hay River once a year. The containers that carry an NWT deposit are accepted and refunded by the bottle depot. In turn, we reimburse the bottle depots upon receipt of proof of refund to the customer. The containers are then destroyed at the depot; cans are shredded and bottles are crushed.

Some depot operators then ship the shredded cans to a recycling plant in the South, while glass is disposed of as there is no economically-viable means of recycling at this time. The depots are also paid a handling fee per unit to cover their operating costs, and that's four cents per bottle or can. The Liquor Commission provides shredding equipment at a nominal charge of $1 per year. Molson and Labatts bottles are not included in the NWT deposit refund system as they are dealt with directly by the brewery and with the depot operator.

These deposits vary between communities and are available directly from the depot operator. Molson and Labatts bottles are returned to the breweries.

The deposit fees are as follows: spirits and wine bottles, 25 cents each; cans, cider and cooler bottles, 10 cents each; and the depot handling fees are four cents per bottle or can. There were 6.2 million containers sold during 2002-2003, of which 3.9 million were returned. This accounts for approximately 63 percent of all containers sold for the year. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

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Thank you, Madam Chair. If I may, at the discretion of the committee, expand a little further, my question now goes into who retains ownership of the returned and sometimes destroyed containers, be it can or bottle.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Once the bottles are returned to the depots, they are theirs to dispose of. As stated, the bottles are crushed and in different locations, different communities...I'll use an example I am familiar with. In Inuvik at times, instead of using crushed rock, they would use the crushed bottles in sanding areas. As stated, the depots have shredders that are supplied by the Liquor Commission. They shred them and send them to the southern facilities for recycling. Again, for Molson and Labatts bottles the depot is the one that deals with them, sends them south and gets any further refund from them. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. I didn't hear the last couple words of the Minister there, even though I have the earpiece. Maybe he can answer it as I ask this. Does the Department of Finance recognize in any way that value of the returned bottles to the depots, whether they're crushed, shredded or other means? Do they recognize that in the contract,

whereas the depot may be setting themselves for a refund? Therefore, they would be receiving, quite potentially as I see it, four cents for each bottle or can, plus the value of cashing them in at a southern location through that recycling process. I tread on thin ice as I suggest the double dipping of this particular case, so maybe if the Minister could expand a little further. Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. The last part of the earlier response was that the depots take care of the Molson and Labatts bottles through their operations and send them south for refund from those outfits. One of the factors involved in giving the handling fee to the depots as well as providing the refund to them is to pay the people that bring back the bottles and cans for returns, that is when they ship their containers south to recycling centres, they have to pay for the handling fees themselves. So the handling fees and freight are taken out of the earnings that they would receive from that.

That is one of the reasons we don't count and collect the money from them. We just give them the handling fee and go forward from there.

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