Debates of Sept. 9th, 1999

This is page numbers 41 - 72 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 8th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was information .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Inuvik Gas Project Signals New Era For NWT Power Corporation

Sharing Best Ideas

NWT Highway Strategy

Mdapp Evaluation

Highway System Improvements

The Trans-canada Trail

Curtis Mercredi Wins National Grand Championship

Streamlining Access To Seniors' Programs

"northern House" Aboriginal Students' Residence

Wild Mushroom Industry

Working Together During The Thirteenth Assembly

Reporting Methods Of The "yellowknifer" Newspaper

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Support For Northern House

Seniors' Property Tax Rebate

Home Repair Program Access

GNWT Costs Incurred In Court Cases

Minimum Down Payment Assistance Program

Adult Education Workshop Results

Improving NWT Highway Conditions

Amendments Proposed In Bill 5

Addressing The Teacher Shortage

Addressing Special Needs In NWT Schools

Reply 1-13(8):

Committee Report 1-13(8): Report Of The Special Committee On Western Identity

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Adopt The Diamond As The Official Gemstone

To Adopt The Arctic Grayling As The Official Fish

To Adopt The Tamarack As The Official Tree

To Retire The Old Mace And Adopt The New Mace

To Pass The New Flag And Coat Of Arms Projects To The 14th Assembly

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 2: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1999-2000

Bill 1:

An Act To Amend The Public Colleges Act

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act

Bill 3: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Bill 4: Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Statutes Amendment Act

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 5-13(8): Inuvik Gas Project Signals New Era For NWT Power Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, many Northerners remember the exciting days of the 1970s, and the oil and gas exploration boom in the Mackenzie Delta and Beaufort Sea. We witnessed the discovery of some of the largest reserves of hydrocarbon resources in the world.

Today, along with my colleague, the Honourable Floyd Roland , MLA for Inuvik, I take pleasure in saying that the NWT Power Corporation is one of the first commercial users of these resources. Tomorrow, the NWT Power Corporation will join with the Town of Inuvik and the Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation and their partners, Alta Gas Services Incorporated, and Enbridge Incorporated, in ceremonies to mark the arrival of the first commercial gas deliveries from the Ikhil field. The ceremony will include the start up of two new natural gas driven generators.

Of special significance is the Power Corporation's role as the anchor customer for the system. The corporation's conversion from diesel fuel was the economic key to the project, and brings many benefits to Inuvik power customers.

Over the minimum 15 year life of the project, the new gas supply will replace some 70 barge loads of southern diesel fuel imports to Inuvik. This will save Inuvik power customers an estimated $20 to $25 million by, in part, decreasing the future need for infrastructure to generate electricity.

Greenhouse gas emissions will be cut by some 100,000 tonnes, or 32 percent by new gas driven engines that run cleaner, quieter and more efficiently than diesels. This improvement will help the Corporation, and the NWT, play our

part in achieving Canada's commitment to reduce pollution as part of the 1996 Kyoto clean air accord.

As Inuvik Gas Limited develops the town's gas distribution system, businesses and homeowners will be also able to convert to the new energy source for heating and other uses.

This development holds great promise for similar projects in other NWT communities located near natural gas discoveries or pipelines.

Along with Mr. Roland , I invite this Assembly to join me in congratulating the Town of Inuvik, the Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation and the NWT Power Corporation on their achievement and this exciting new era in northern energy development. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 5-13(8): Inuvik Gas Project Signals New Era For NWT Power Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ministers' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 6-13(8): Sharing Best Ideas

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the summer, I tabled a response to the recommendations of the Forum on Education. One of the areas that were highlighted in the response was the need to share the best ideas of educators across the Northwest Territories. In individual classrooms, teachers or other school staff are using innovative and interesting approaches for teaching different subjects and concepts. These approaches might work for other students in other classrooms but there has not been a good way to share them.

Efforts are underway to find ways to share information between schools and teachers. One excellent example of collaboration and sharing of best practices is a binder of material entitled "Promising Practices, Ideas That Work in Northern Secondary Classrooms" which has just been produced by the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. This document contains the ideas, techniques and strategies that have worked for teachers in northern classrooms.

The binder includes a broad range of topics including general teaching and learning strategies; strategies specific to certain subjects; strategies for program and student support; administration; school spirit and school wide events; and encouraging school/community interaction.

There are more than 104 different ideas in this resource binder. For each strategy, there is information on what the benefits are to the student, what material are needed, detailed how to instructions and a

section called "Keep in Mind" which gives practical tips for making the strategy work for students. Each strategy also identifies the teacher who submitted the strategy and at which school they were teaching.

The binder will be distributed to all schools in the NWT and will also be available electronically. the hope is that this is only the beginning and teachers will continue to contribute their most successful ideas, adding to this initial collection.

Mr. Speaker, this excellent practical support material can only exist with the contributions of those who are working with our students on a daily basis. We appreciate the efforts of the many teachers who contributed to this resource binder and will try to encourage all educators to expand the sharing of ideas and resources. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 6-13(8): Sharing Best Ideas

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Minister's Statement 7-13(8): NWT Highway Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Transportation has been working, since May of 1998, to complete background planning work on four major road projects as part of a strategy for highway development in the NWT. Today I would like to provide you with a status report on this important initiative.

The four projects included in the Highway Strategy are the Slave Geological Province Transportation Corridor, extension of the Mackenzie Valley Highway, a road from Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk and finally, acceleration of Highway 3 reconstruction from Rae to Yellowknife.

The funding allocated to this initiative has been used to undertake economic, environmental, financing and pre-engineering studies for each of the four road projects. The majority of these studies are now complete.

Extensive consultations with all stakeholders were a key element of each of the studies undertaken. These included stakeholder workshops in Yellowknife and other regional centres, public meetings and interviews in each affected community and, one on one interviews with key stakeholders. Stakeholder Advisory Committees were organized to assist the department in establishing the scope for the study areas and reviewing the results.

The Highway Strategy initiative has been successful both in establishing a comprehensive database of information on new road construction in the Northwest Territories, and by involving all stakeholders in this process.

Mr. Speaker, in terms of future activities, the department intends to complete all studies that are currently underway and will undertake additional analysis as needs or opportunities arise. Department officials are currently preparing two reports that will present the results of the work completed to date. The first report will present a concise

summary of the result for each of the studies undertaken. This report will be made available to stakeholders and the general public shortly. The second report will outline the departments's vision of the future NWT highway system and a plan of action to achieve that vision.

In closing Mr. Speaker, I would like to point out that plans are now being made to present the study results and the vision for new roads to Minister Kakfwi 's Economic Strategy Panel. I fully expect the panel will include the results of the Highway Strategy initiative among its recommendations for inclusion in this government's Economic Strategy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 8-13(8): Mdapp Evaluation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to provide the House with a

summary of the success of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation's Minimum Down Payment Assistance Pilot Program or as it is more commonly known MDAPP.

As you know, Mr. Speaker, this pilot program gave people grants towards the down payment of a home. Grants of $10,000 were provided to those living below the treeline and $15,000 grants were provided above the treeline.

As this was a pilot program Cabinet directed that an evaluation be conducted once MDAPP was completed. This was done because MDAPP was the first time a program aimed at stimulating the NWT's economy through housing sales was attempted. According to this review, the following results were achieved:

- almost 75 percent of the families surveyed indicated that they would not have been able to buy their home without the MDAPP grant

- 555 families, in 16 NWT communities became homeowners through MDAPP

- close to $5.6 million was spent under MDAPP which stimulated almost $70 million in real estate transactions

- families who received MDAPP report they expect to spend over $3 million for renovations and improvements to their new homes in the next year

- 22 percent or 118 families assisted through MDAPP moved to the NWT in the last two years

- a further 59 families assisted by MDAPP moved from either another community in the NWT or a Nunavut community in the last two years, many of those surveyed said they had moved because of jobs

- during the pilot program there was no increase in the number of rental units available on the market. It is believed that this was due to a large number of families who sold their homes moved into rental accommodation.

Mr. Speaker, this evaluation shows that the pilot program was successful in meeting its stated objectives, which were:

- stimulate the sales of existing homes on the market which were having a detrimental effect on the demand for new home construction;

- encourage workers and their families from the south to become permanent residents of the NWT;

- encourage workers to move between communities to take advantage of job opportunities, and

- to encourage economic spin-offs through renovations, improvements and home purchases.

Mr. Speaker, while the evaluation met its stated objectives, it is apparent that continuing it may have negative affects on the private rental market and yield diminishing results as the housing market absorbs the assistance through price increases. For this reason there are no plans by the Housing Corporation to reintroduce this program.

Copies of the entire MDAPP evaluation will be presented to Cabinet and will be placed on the Housing Corporations's web page in the near future for public access. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 8-13(8): Mdapp Evaluation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Ministers' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Minister's Statement 9-13(8): Highway System Improvements

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, this year the Department of Transportation will spend over $17 million to complete a large number of needed improvements to our highways. The department tries to find the proper balance between improving safety and level of service and extending the life of the system. At the same time, creating business, employment training and job opportunities for Northerners is a priority.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to present a brief

summary of the larger jobs the department has undertaken. In the South Slave area, construction on the replacement of the West Channel bridge in Hay River will begin later this fall. The project is scheduled for completion in the new fiscal year. The department has completed 33 kilometres of chipseal overlay on the Mackenzie Highway north of the Alberta-NWT Border and a 10 kilometre chipseal overlay on Highway 5 near Buffalo Junction.

In the North Slave area, reconstruction and paving of Highway 3 between Rae-Edzo and Yellowknife began this year. Two projects will result in very noticeable improvements to 17 of the last 90 kilometres of this highway. At the Rae-Edzo end, safety will be enhanced by improving the grade and reducing the number of curves in a 12.5 kilometre

section of the highway from 24 to six. This

section of the road will be open to traffic by the end of this year's construction season. Application of a chipseal surface will complete this project next summer. At the Yellowknife end of Highway 3, a project to rebuild and pave 4.5 kilometres near the airport will be finished in the next few weeks. Finally, a major safety improvement to a short

section of the Ingraham Trail with one of the highest accident occurrence rates on the highway system is underway. The project will be complete this year and will reduce the steepness of the grade and replace the three existing curves on the 2.5 kilometre

section with a single, less severe, curve.

In the Sahtu, area, winter road improvements will continue this year. Permanent bridges will be complete at Canyon and Vermillion Creeks and a new bridge started at the Ochre River. A number of grade improvements will also be completed this winter in continuing efforts to extend the operating window of this important transportation connection to Sahtu communities.

In the Mackenzie Delta, the Dempster Highway celebrated its 20th Anniversary on August 18. A new gravel surface was applied to 34 kilometres of the highway between the Yukon boarder and the Peal River, and, 35 kilometres of the highway between Fort McPherson and Tsiigehtchic were reconstructed and widened. The amount of dust free surface on the Dempster Highway increased from 30 to 106 kilometres. Mr. Speaker, I drove this highway from Inuvik to Eagle Plains last weekend and I am proud to say that the condition of the Dempster Highway in the NWT is now considerably better than that in the Yukon.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, our job is not done. In fact, we have a long ways to go. Our transportation goals can only be achieved if new money is found to invest in transportation infrastructure. It is with that in mind, Mr. Speaker, that I look forward to attending a meeting of all of Canada's Transportation Minister 's at the end of September. While there, I will continue to lobby hard for the federal government to commit, in its next budget, long term funding for a national highway system. I will also call for an equitable method of allocating federal funding to smaller jurisdictions such as the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I want to assure the Members today that the Department of Transportation takes its responsibility for the safety of the highway system very seriously. While the department may not have the resources to do all of the work that we would like it to do, or to do the work as quickly as the travelling public might wish, we are making significant progress. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 9-13(8): Highway System Improvements

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Minister's Statement 10-13(8): The Trans-canada Trail

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to speak to you about the Trans-Canada Trail, one of Canada's millennium projects. This project will establish 16,000 kilometres of trail from coast to coast to coast. The NWT Recreation and Parks Association is working with local communities, government departments and the Trans-Canada Trail Foundation to develop the trail in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, I was asked to lend my support, on behalf of this government, to the designation of the Northwest Territories sections of the Trans-Canada Trail. These sections reflect the traditional and modern aspects of our transportation heritage in the Northwest Territories. The first

section of the trail follows the Mackenzie River from Fort Providence at Great Slave Lake to Tuktoyaktuk on the Beaufort Sea. This is the territory's natural and historic transportation route. The other

section is the Dempster Highway from the Yukon Border to Inuvik representing our modern transportation system.

The NWT Recreation and Parks Association is also planning the grand opening of the Trans-Canada Trail with an event called Relay 2000. The trailhead in Tuktoyaktuk will be the official start point of the relay. Water will be taken from the Arctic Ocean on February 19, 2000 and will be relayed along the Mackenzie River. Water will also be drawn in a similar fashion from the two other trailheads on the west and east coasts of Canada. A ceremony was held will be held in Hull, Quebec on September 9, 2000 to commemorate the end of Relay 2000 and the official opening of the Trans-Canada Trail.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive rule 34(6) so that all Ministers' statements filed with the Clerk can be delivered today. Thank you.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. You still have a minute and a half. The Member for Nunakput is seeking unanimous consent to wave his rules 34(6). Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Steen , you have unanimous consent.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, an official announcement of the designation of the NWT routes was made at a regional press conference at Yellowknife City Hall today at 11:00 am. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Minister's Statement 11-13(8): Curtis Mercredi Wins National Grand Championship

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I recognized Mr. Curtis Mercredi in the visitor's gallery to call attention to the award of National Grand Champion he won in the National Airfield Maintenance Roadeo this August at the Vancouver International Airport. Today, I would like to tell the Assembly a little bit more about Mr. Mercredi and his award.

Curtis is an employee of the Department of Transportation who has worked at the Yellowknife airport since 1987; first as a trainee and then as a permanent employee in 1988. A father of two children, he was born and raised in the Northwest Territories and is a long term resident of Yellowknife.

To qualify for the national competition, Curtis came first at the Territorial Roadeo held at the Fort Smith Airport in June. Last year at the Winnipeg Airport, he placed second in the National Airfield Maintenance Roadeo. This year at Vancouver, he took first place.

The roadeo requires competitors from airports across Canada to run three pieces of airfield maintenance equipment through obstacle courses designed to resemble situations they regularly encounter in winter operations. The technician with the highest combined points is the over-all winner. At Vancouver, competing against the very best in the industry, Curtis placed first on two pieces of equipment and second on the third.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Transportation is proud to have employees like Mr. Mercredi on its staff. As passengers, we fly in and out of our airports all the time without a second thought for our safety or security. It is thanks to our maintenance crews and workers like Curtis Mercredi, that we can travel so casually, at ease and in confidence.

I know the Assembly will join me in congratulating our National Grand Champion on his award and for a job well done in representing the Department of Transportation and the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Member's statement. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 14-13(8): Streamlining Access To Seniors' Programs

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to raise an issue I have raised in this House several times, and it still continues to burden the people that we are supposed to serve and make things simpler so they can understand and be able to access programs and services for this government. Mr. Speaker, I am talking about our seniors. Regarding the seniors' property tax collection notice, there is an opportunity for our seniors to be exempt from property taxes. Mr.

Speaker, year after year, our seniors have the difficulty of being given notices and then having to fill out applications to be re-established on the tax exemption list. The same thing applies, Mr. Speaker, in the seniors' fuel subsidy. Year after year, our seniors are put into the situation of having to continue to fill out applications. Mr. Speaker, I have raised this issue in this House and so have several other Members.

I, for one, believe there is a simpler solution and that this government should seriously consider looking at the possibility of streamlining these programs by simply allowing an elder to consent that information relevant to different programs be accessed by those particular departments.

You hear concerns from the department saying well, there is a question about conflict in regards to access to information and their pensions.

I believe there is a process that we can use, which is a consent of the senior and the person who applies to these programs, once they apply they consent through a form and the department automatically puts their name into the system and every year it rolls itself off where these people do not have to continue with the burden of filling out these applications year after year and be able to access these programs and services without having to worry about another concern and which they should be enjoying their retirement and enjoying the time that they have with us so that they can continue on with life knowing that they have put their time in, they paid their taxes and now let us help them out to have the rest that they earned without having to bear the burden of filling out applications year after year.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 15-13(8): "northern House" Aboriginal Students' Residence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to speak about an innovative idea that has been put into place at the University of Alberta, namely the Northern House that has been sponsored by the Native Student Services Department. I might add that it is also being supported and promoted by

various other departments within the University of Alberta.

Mr. Speaker, the Northern House is a project that is actually a residence for aboriginal students from the Northwest Territories and Nunavut and currently has a support person and three students were enrolled in the first year of programs. The purpose, of course, is to provide support to these students who are away from their aboriginal cultures for long, long periods of time. The purpose is that they provide support to each other, as well as support from other staff persons. Mr.

Speaker, this facility is just being started this year, and they do need a little bit of help for furniture, basic kitchen utensils, essentials, and a computer. They need a one-time small infusion of cash. I believe that this would be a very, very worthwhile project with this government as I know what it is like to be going to school. Fortunately, I had my family with me when I went to school, but this establishment is for single students, particularly for young students who, as you can see, are all in their first year of programs. So at the appropriate time, Mr.

Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Education some questions on this particular project for support. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Member's statement. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 16-13(8): Wild Mushroom Industry

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to speak today about an economic issue which we know very little about but that has tremendous potential for a number of our people and our communities, but it is fraught with some real challenges. This past summer, we saw the first organized wild moral mushroom harvest here in the North Slave region. Last year's forest fire burn around the Tibbit Lake region, I am told, had the potential to harvest moral mushroom worth in the millions of dollars. That can be picked in a four to six week period.

But this is a whole new venture for Northerners, and so only a small group went out to pick. One group of seven entrepreneurs harvested over $50,000 worth, and I am told it is much more than that, but that is the official reported, of morals early in the summer. Unfortunately, inexperience with international buyers resulted in the group losing much of their profit to individuals purportedly connected with organized crime. People were also physically assaulted, I am told, though charges have yet to be laid. The forest fire season this summer meant numerous new mushroom fields may be available next summer.

Morals are only one of several lucrative mushroom species for which there is a huge demand on world markets. The NWT may well be the most sought-after pine mushroom harvesting area next fall. Pine mushrooms sell anywhere from $15 a pound to $300 a pound, depending on the supply and demand at the time. While there is a huge potential for harvesting and income, it is also a sure thing that possibly violence and possible crime can follow. Next spring, it is possible that hundreds of pickers will come to the NWT for mushroom harvesting.

The NWT needs to react quickly to this possible lucrative market, and we need to monitor and manage this resource for our own people. We need to be proactive on this. A first step could be to add mushrooms to the list of plants and animals protected under the Wildlife Act. This would give protection against exploitation of Northerners and their resources. Tomorrow I hope to be able to follow up with some questions on this, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 16-13(8): Wild Mushroom Industry

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Member's statement. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 17-13(8): Working Together During The Thirteenth Assembly

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 45

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We now have been working together for close to four years, and during that time, we collectively have had many issues to deal with. Some have been a pleasure, while others have tried our form of government to the limits. We have worked together to make the best decisions possible for our residents and believe that we have succeeded. We have accomplished a great deal over the life if this Assembly, and I feel proud to have participated in it all.

We worked very hard to ensure our constituencies have a say and our communities are treated equally and fairly. However, if it was not for the staff of this building and a good working relationship that is present here, we could not do nearly as much. To this, I would like to thank all the Assembly staff and the hard work and the perseverance. They are the people that really do most of the work.

There are still many issues that must be dealt with, however, our time is up and we must move on. The next Assembly will take up where we left off, and eventually we will have a territory we can be proud of. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Member's statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 18-13(8): Reporting Methods Of The "yellowknifer" Newspaper

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 45

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, after much consideration and encouragement from the people in this community, I feel that I must respond on the manner in which the staff of the Yellowknifer has reported on my involvement with the extension of a commercial grant from the City of Yellowknife to a local business of which I am a part owner. Since July 10, 1998 there had been no few than five editorial comments and numerous articles, some with a decided personal slant published on the subject.

While I supposed I should be honoured to be Yellowknife's biggest news, I feel that the Yellowknifer's coverage of this story has gone far beyond objective, fact-finding and has steadily degenerated into a scathing, personal attack on my credibility and reputation as an MLA and a business person.

As a public figure, I expect a reasonable amount of criticism. After all, no one is perfect. I have come to realize that accountability plays a big

part in the life of the public servant. Furthermore, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are guaranteed rights under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The freedom to speak and write freely about public administration is one of the many benefits of living in a democratic society. Without these freedoms, our government cannot function properly, so we all understand that the Yellowknifer has a duty to report on the way in which government officials, myself included, do their jobs. However, the editors of the Yellowknifer need to be reminded that freedom always comes with responsibility.

Since when does objective reporting necessitate the kind of damming, brutal remarks published about me by the Yellowknifer again and again over the past several months? I ask why has the Yellowknifer set out to so damage my perception in this community that the well-being of my family has been affected?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 18-13(8): Reporting Methods Of The "yellowknifer" Newspaper

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. For this reason, the people of Yellowknife deserve to know that what they read in the newspaper is reported on fairly, objectively, and accurately. They also deserve to know that the paper cannot be used as an indiscriminate weapon.

Nick Russell, in a leading textbook on morals and the media in Canada, points out that freedom of the press continues to be earned or lost, depending on performance, and it brings with it clear responsibilities of stewardship. What does this mean in practical terms for the editorial staff at the Yellowknifer? Mr. Russell thinks it means that newspaper publishers who are, after all, only in the business to make money, do not own freedom of the press, the people do.

Despite what the editors may think, the Yellowknifer does not have some kind of license allowing it to systematically and vindictively destroy someone's perception in the community. Our own Legislative Assembly agrees with Mr. Russell and has seen fit to protect members of the public from this type of behaviour by passing the Defamation Act. Under the act, a newspaper can be sued for publishing statements about a person, which are designed to harm their reputation, rather than simply reporting on the facts.

For example, a few years ago, a Hay River businessman successfully sued the local newspaper for publishing a defamatory cartoon about him. The court said that the suggestions were made by the paper about the businessman's character that were not fair comments and were intended to make people in the community ridicule him.

Judging from the conveniently anonymous editorial comment published in the Yellowknifer on Friday, July 17, 1998, July 31, 1998, August 7, 1998, May 7, 1999, and finally August 27, 1999, the editors seem to have embarked on a self-appointed mission to portray me as a shameless profiteer in the eyes of the people of Yellowknife.

The fact is that the business of which I am a part owner strengthens the economic well-being of this community and of the Territories and employs upward of 100 people in entry level positions and is a viable part of the Yellowknife business community, and I contribute to the tax base of this city.

In the editorial comment published on Friday, August 27, 1997, the editorial suggested that all MLAs who own their own business should place them in blind trusts. As an ordinary MLA, this requirement is duly unrestrictive and will discourage some business people from entering the public arena. In my view, a Legislative Assembly that does not have the opportunity to hear from and benefit from the expertise of the North's business people will suffer a loss. Along with the rights to speak freely, citizens of this country also enjoy the right of free enterprise. This is one of the reasons Canadians enjoy such a high standard of living.

Mr.

Speaker, in 1981, the Kent Commission on newspapers realized the kind of impact a newspaper such as the Yellowknifer can have on individuals who fall out of its good graces when it said, "In a one-newspaper town, it means nothing except the right of a proprietor to do what he will with his own...freedom of the press." The commission concluded that sometimes the practical reality in a one-newspaper town is that because "enormous influence without responsibility is conferred on a handful of people...(its) over-riding responsibility is to the society which protects and provides its freedom." Is the Yellowknifer living up to its responsibility to the people of Yellowknife by writing with a poisoned pen, shrouded in the anonymity of an editorial?

I am out and about in this community as an MLA, as a business person, a volunteer, a church member, and a parent. I, too, see and hear what people in this community have to say. What I do not understand is why Mr. Valpy, and I wonder how he can say that you are reflecting the views of the community. I went and visited this gentleman in his office regarding one of the editorials and was very surprised to see that I had never seen the gentleman before, and I have lived here for 23 years. I had thought I would surely recognize him considering his position in the community which apparently represents the views.

I have never seem him at public meetings, I have never seen him within the business community, I have never seem him in my children's school, I have never seen him anywhere. So then I ask, where do you get your worldly perspective from? Where are you that you hear all these opinions and have all these people, why not have them put their views in writing or bring them to me directly?

Another author, J.L. Hulteng, warns newspapers against abusing their right to freedom of the press in his book, "Playing it Straight: A Practical Discussion of the Ethical Principles of the American Society of Newspaper Editors". In it he wrote, "To prevent further erosion, editors and reporters should refrain from excessive or unjustified appeals to public opinion . A knee-jerk invocation of press freedom every time some public official or special interest representative criticizes the performance of the press will only harm the cause. Cry "Wolf" only when a genuine predator is on the prowl." This is something which the lampoonists at the Yellowknife should keep in mind.

In closing, I wish to remind the editorial staff of the Yellowknifer to heed the ethics of their own profession. Like public officials, they too owe a duty of fairness and stewardship to the public they sever, lest they offend the very principles for which freedom of the press was enshrined in the Charter in the first place. And before calling anyone a profiteer, they should take a good, long look in the mirror.

Mr. Speaker, I have not yet come to a decision as to whether I will allow my name to stand as a candidate in the December election. I will reserve that judgement for the next couple of week. I would like to sincerely thank my fellow colleagues for allowing me to continue with my statement, and I thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 18-13(8): Reporting Methods Of The "yellowknifer" Newspaper

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 47

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Again, to remind the Members that Member's statements is up to two and a half minutes and, Mr. Henry , you have made a statement equivalent to three Member's statements, but I do appreciate you consulting with me and requesting that extension. Member's statement. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the Gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 47

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Pat Thomas with the NWTTA. There is only one more day to go Ms. Thomas, so see you tomorrow.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 47

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 47

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize, this might be the last chance to recognize Pat Thomas, president of the NWTTA. She was running for president of that organization about the time I was running for MLA and if I would have known she was going to be here everyday I could have stayed home. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Antoine .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Ray Sonfrere, Band Councillor from Hay River Reserve. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions.

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 47

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we are all aware, there are concerns with regard to the Giant Mine situation and I have a number of questions I would like to ask today. I will start with the first one for Mr. Kakfwi regarding the 15 day period here in which the union can formulate a possible proposal and work with other parties that might be an alternative to the current proposal that is before the receiver. I wonder if Mr. Kakfwi could tell me what the government's position is in regard to or in relationship to providing assistance to the union itself in developing a community-based proposal to take over the Giant Mine?

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 47

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 47

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the government has advised the union this morning that should they wish to undertake developing a proposal to forward to the receiver that they will receive assistance as would be provided to any other type of initiative from a business community, but that the government will not be party to the development of the proposal itself, we will not be actively helping to develop such a proposal, but we will also not be entertaining any suggestion that we would become owners of any type in a proposal. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 47

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Can the Minister tell me what form of assistance can be provided by this government to the union?

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 47

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there is assistance provided to individuals or groups that wish to develop proposals such as financing, in part feasibility aspects of proposals. Once a proposal, if it is developed, on the part of the union and other parties in partnership with the union, we will respond if we are requested to provide some sort of assistance financially for the development of a proposal.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 47

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 47

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Can the Minister tell me if they can provide any

assistance beyond just financial assistance?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the conditions that the Government of the Northwest Territories accepted in dealing with this issue of Giant Mine being put into receivership and subsequently the receiver seeking to accept proposals for potential buyers was that once proposals were received, the government had undertaken to keep confidential all and any information that was received by us through the actions of the receiver sharing the information of the proposals with us and also with the parties themselves.

We will not allow ourselves to be put in the position where we may be alleged to have used information that we received in that undertaking to advance alternate proposals at this time. We will step back and not be supporting any proposals. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a concern here in relationship to the responsibility to the employees. That is their pensions, their separation pay, other issues with relationship to their current working conditions. Now the federal government has the Canada Labour Code. Are we going to support the employees to protect their rights? What is this government doing in order to help our people to ensure that their rights are protected and that all that is due and owed to them is met? Can the Minister tell me that?

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 21-13(8): GNWT Position On Assistance To Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories has advanced certain positions with the federal government and the receiver. We have said that we want to ensure that the employees of Giant Mine receive fair treatment, that they are not treated frivolously or that parties do not undertake action which would undermine the status and the benefits that should be honoured and which should flow to the employees. We have said that to the federal government and we have stated that as well to the receiver.

We will also look to proposals to maximize the economic benefits to the North, which includes trying to maintain as many jobs as possible. We have also said that it is fairly fundamental that the federal government commit to a reclamation plan in partnership with whoever will wish to purchase and take ownership of the existing mine. Those are positions that we have taken, we have shared those with the union, with the federal government and with the receiver. We will continue to work on that.

You should note that most of the labour issues and the environmental issues are all issues that can only be dealt with and addressed by the federal government. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 22-13(8): Support For Northern House

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Before I start I would like to congratulate the Minister on this new initiative, with the binder entitled, Promising and Practices, Ideas at Work in Northern Secondary Classrooms. It sounds like a very, very good initiative. Similarly, I hope that he will support this initiative that is being started by the Native Student Services at the University of Alberta which is for housing aboriginal students from the North. As I had indicated in my statement, Mr.

Speaker, the students require a small one time cash infusion to help them purchase some furniture and a computer and I am wondering if the Minister could indicate whether the department is in a position to help them? As I indicated it is a very, very small, teeny amount of money and I am sure that it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware of the request. I have not had an opportunity yet to talk to the deputy about it, but it will be looked at within the context of the many other requests we get for funding, many of them in themselves could be considered teeny, but when added together come to a substantial sum. I appreciate the intent of what the folks are trying to do at the University of Alberta, so yes, we will be looking at this and it will be given serious consideration. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that the equipment and the furniture is obviously, it is a one time infusion and it is a start up cost, so I would ask the Minister if he could do this, if he could endeavour to have a look at this as quickly as possible as there are people staying there now and they need this equipment as quickly as possible. Thank you.

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Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will commit to looking at this as quickly as possible. I recognize the urgency as the Member has indicated. Thank you.

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Question 23-13(8): Seniors' Property Tax Rebate

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 48

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . It is regarding my

opening statement with regard to the seniors and trying to find a way to dealing with the property tax rebate that is given to them. One of the problems that we seem to keep running into in the smaller communities is that they have to reapply for such a program every year. I would like to ask the Minister, what is his department doing to try and find ways to resolve this and streamline it so it is a simpler process in which, once you become a senior, you are automatically put into the system that they know which property you own.

It would be in the computer systems through MACA or the lands title system so people would know that you are a pensioner, because you receive a pension from the Canadian Pension Plan. I would like to ask the Minister, what is his department doing to streamline this program so it is simpler for people to receive the rebate and not have to deal with reapplying every year?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker in response to the Member's question, the department has been working with other departments including the Department of Finance to try to address this particular situation. It appears that because it is a rebate there is some requirement for the people involved to actually apply for a rebate on an annual basis. I know the department has included on the back of the invoices, there is a statement on the back of the invoice advising whoever is getting the bill that they are entitled to a rebate if they apply for it.

Also, they have the ability to apply even before they actually make payments under taxes. They have the ability to apply for a rebate. Therefore they do not have to come up with the money, that they can have a rebate anyway. Also, Mr. Speaker, the department is working with the social committee to try to come up with some form of plan to put all the programs that seniors would be exempt from into one. However, right now we are still in the planning stage and we are working with the social committee on this plan, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is the problem with the rebate program is that you have to apply for it every year and I think that is where the concerns of the seniors are. Is there a better system that say, instead of having to apply every year that automatically once you become a pensioner, I mean you are not going to get any younger, you are eventually going to get older, so once you receive your pension you should be automatically put into the system. Rebates for programs such as your property tax assessment and your fuel subsidy, should be automatically given every year.

That is what I am asking, is there a possibility of automatically having these programs given to all the seniors in the western territory automatically without having to go through the rebate?

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department, like I said, is in the process of trying to address this particular issue. We are working with the social committee, we are working with all the departments, we are open to any suggestions from the communities or from the Members as to how to address this particular situation. I am told there are some legalities involved here where there may be a requirement for people to actually apply for rebates because it is a rebate. It is therefore hard to tie it in with other programs that are not rebates.

We are not sure if we can streamline this all into one, but we are in the process of trying to plan and find a way to address this position. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the suggestions that I put forth in my Member's statement is the possibility, through the Department of Justice and the Minister's Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, to come up with a consent form process where the senior automatically will consent to have their name renewed every year and any information that is relevant to the program, the government will be able to access that information through a consent form process so you do not have to go through this process year after year. Has the department considered looking at such a proposal as a means of making this system a little easier?

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the proposal, as suggested by the Member or any proposal, for that matter, will be taken into consideration by the department. If there are any benefits to the proposals, we will certainly include them in whatever the outcome of the plan is. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister made reference to the possibility of having people call the department with suggestions and maybe even look at public meetings. Is the department willing to consider maybe a 1-800 line so that they can take suggestions from seniors instead of going through the process of public meetings so that seniors can have a say in how they would like the program developed? Is the Minister willing to consider that process for consultation?

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we will consider all proposal and all suggestions from the

Members or from the communities or from the general public, and we will use whatever proposals are put forward that would, in fact, address the issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 24-13(8): Home Repair Program Access

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. To follow up on his very enlightening report on the MDAPP evaluation which I think they spent close to $6 million to help people buy houses without any means test or anything placed on the people who are able to purchase houses, whether they made a million dollars a year or $50,000. Mr. Speaker, several of my constituents have come forward with dilapidated houses, their sidings falling off, windows in disrepair, that type of thing.

What they are wondering is if there are any repair programs in the Housing Corporation's current programs that they are eligible for here in Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of programs that are available through the Housing Corporation for homeowners. The level of service or assistance they were to receive all depends on the income they would have. The biggest program we have is through the EDAP program, there is the Independent Housing Program, there is also a seniors' program and we do have, within the EDAP system, programs where people can get monies to do some repairs to their existing homes. But again, all those programs are based on the amount of income that would be received in the households. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister's report had indicated that the MDAPP had put in $5.6 million into their program, and there was no means test whatsoever. What I am wondering is, could the Minister increase the amount of money that is in that repair program so that people who have bought their houses on their own, with their own money, can repair their houses. Because many of them are now in very dire straits. I am wondering, could the Minister increase the repair program to maybe only half of what they put into the MDAPP, maybe only $2 million, $2.5 million?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that is an issue that can be dealt with in the next business planning process, that the Housing Corporation can look at trying to increase those levels of support we provide at present Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering the fact that there was no means test put in place for being eligible for the MDAPP, would the Minister also look at increasing the maximum amount of yearly family income before they are regarded as ineligible for accessing this program? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department, on a regular basis, looks at its programs to see if the standards being set are too extreme or not. As I said earlier, we will be going through a business planning process and can be looking at those things. We have to keep in mind one of the factors of increasing our limits would place more demand on already shrinking resources within the Housing Corporation. A lot of the MDAPP funding that was used was through supplementary appropriation put through this House.

We did use some of our own resources and thankfully, we are able to cover the rest of that from within because of some of the planning that was done from within the department. So all of this other information on trying to change the programs can be reviewed through the business planning processing and dealing with committees. As well, we will be looking at what we can reasonably provide residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi . It is regarding the potential costs incurred in the form of personnel costs or dollar amounts incurred by his department in the defence of government officials regarding that law suit against the government and various parties by Workers' Compensation. My question to the Minister is, can he confirm that indeed the department is incurring personnel or dollar costs in defending actions in that particular case? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 26-13(8): Minimum Down Payment Assistance Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a few questions with respect to Minister Floyd Roland 's Minister's statement on the MDAPP evaluation. Since I can remember living in the Northwest Territories, we have continued to hear about the housing crises in the North, about overcrowding, and about lack of facilities in homes. I was just wondering how this $5.6 million spent under the MDAPP, in the evaluation it fails to indicate how that responded to that housing crisis? Perhaps the Minister could draw that correlation for us. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the MDAPP program had a number of objectives it set out to try and meet. One is to stimulate the economy through housing sales, one is to have families move to communities that have jobs and have people working from southern Canada move to the North and establish their homes. As well, part of the program freed up some of the public housing units that right now have families in them with a higher income levels. They were able to use the program to purchase their own home, move into their own home thereby freeing up some of the public housing units.

As well, with that I should state that the majority of the uptake on this was in the larger communities, so that had an impact as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister stated that one of the goals was to have people from southern Canada take up residency in the Northwest Territories, that was one of the stated objectives of the program. Could the Minister tell me how many homes were purchased from people outside of the Northwest Territories?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe I heard the question right, how many homes were purchased from people outside of the Northwest Territories. I do not have that information available. I do not believe we have had people selling houses that do not live in the Northwest Territories. I do not know if there were people who had homes that left prior to this program coming up and then having their homes sold on the market.

We could go back and find that out, but I think we were asked on the objectives of this program and we have compared on a questionnaire that went out to a lot of the people that took advantage of the program and they supplied information, but the questions on that were not related to who was out of the Territories when they sold their homes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess I did not make that question clear enough. Part of the objectives of the MDAPP program were to encourage people to take up permanent residency in the Northwest Territories and to purchase homes here. How many of those 555 families, even approximately, just give us a ballpark figure, were related to that particular objective? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for that clarification. I misunderstood your earlier question. From the questionnaire, the information that they received, they were able to extrapolate that approximately 22 percent of those that used the MDAPP program moved from southern Canada into the Northwest Territories within the last two years. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is one statistic in the Minister's report here which I find just a little bit, I do not want to say misleading, what other word could I use, we will not use that word, but it is interesting that 555 families in 16 NWT communities became homeowners. This leads the reader to believe that this was a widely taken up program and that it was a widespread benefit to quite a number of northern communities. If the real statistics were actually included in this, what would it look like? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the information we provided in my Minister's statement states that families within 16 communities used the program. Yes, I have stated, department officials have stated, that the largest uptake has been in the larger centres such as Yellowknife, Inuvik, Hay River, Fort Smith, Norman Wells. We have had for example in Enterprise, one home was purchased through the MDAPP. Fort McPherson, Fort Good Hope and Nahanni Butte, communities of that nature have used the program.

Again, as I stated earlier, and in a previous Session to this it was brought up, the fact that this program was benefiting the larger communities and we have said that was not a fact. There have been 16 communities that families have used this program to purchase homes and we have been open and up

front about that. Thank you.

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Question 27-13(8): Adult Education Workshop Results

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for Mr. Miltenberger , the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . During the last Session, Mr. Speaker, I asked the Minister a number of questions about the departments adult education initiatives and the Minister, I specifically refer to a meeting that we had attended here in Yellowknife, where the Minister was good enough to attend with the four Yellowknife MLAs, with a group of adult educators here in our community. There was some concern expressed there about a number of matters.

In any event, the Minister stated that a workshop was planned for August and that a review was being done and a plan developed. I wonder if the Minister could tell me if a workshop has been held and what may have been the results of that?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Attempts were made in August to try and organize the meetings that had been planned, but due to summer holidays for various parties it never did happen. There are two meetings planned for this month. One with the department and all the NGOs and one with the NGOs to discuss the issues and try to move forward on the matters that were raised back in June. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Another concern at the time was predetermined funding for organizations, year to year funding was a concern. At the end of the year or near the end of the year a lot of these organizations do not know whether they will be able to obtain funding for the following year and it results in the layoff of staff. It was another item that the adult educators brought up at this meeting. I wonder if the Minister could tell me if he has been able to address that issue.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is our intent as a department to, in fact, look at the issue of multi-year funding with an eye towards accommodating that request, recognizing the very problems that my colleague has raised in terms of uncertainty, inability to plan and pressures on staff who are never sure whether they are going to be extended one year to the next. We recognize that is an issue and we are trying to address that with the funds that we have available. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, referring back to my original question with regard to the approach in adult education, could the Minister tell me if he is looking at a comprehensive approach to adult education throughout the territory? I am familiar with the Yellowknife situation, but my understanding is that it may be similar in all of the areas. I wonder if the Minister could tell me, he mentioned that they are looking at meeting here to look at some of the issues here in Yellowknife, but is this going to be applied across the Territories so we get a comprehensive policy being developed.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is another good point that my colleague raises and, in fact, yes, we are moving ahead with that commitment to look at adult basic education curriculum and reviewing the current policies with an eye towards trying to make sure that they are integrated and standardized. I have seen the first draft of the document that has been put together by the education, culture and employment staff. We would anticipate in the next few weeks hopefully to have something to be put on the table to discuss with the people that are involved in the business. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Minister could advise, once they have a comprehensive plan if they could consult the stakeholders. Naturally the people in my community would be very interested in possibly providing advice and input into this. Could he tell me if he could pass it on once they have a comprehensive document of some sort if they could consult with the stakeholders?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, it is a working group of government officials and some NGO staff that are working on this particular review and document. There is an intent to make sure that once we have a working document that it gets circulated and we do get a chance for some feedback from the people that are in the field. Thank you.

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Question 28-13(8): Improving NWT Highway Conditions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is in response to the Minister of Transportation , Highway System Improvements statement. I would like to thank the Minister for taking a drive down the Dempster Highway from Inuvik to Eagle Plains. I think he picked the time when the highway was probably in the best condition. He should have been there two weeks earlier when it rained for two weeks, in which we had potholes galore. I would like to thank the transportation staff and the people that maintained the Dempster Highway because I believe with their hard work and effort they did bring the highway up to a suitable standard.

My concern is that we have to find new means of improving the road conditions not only on the Dempster Highway, but the Liard Highway. The highway systems are presently gravelled surface.

I would like to ask the Minister in light of his trip to Ottawa to meet with the Canadian Transport Minister and also in consideration of National Highway Strategy, would he also consider meeting with the Research Council of Canada to find possible new methods and new means of resurfacing the highway systems which are presently being constructed with gravel and the ones that are presently not being paved or where chipseal is being used, if we can find an alternative source to maintain the surface of those highway systems so that we do have a better highway system so when it does rain for ten days or two weeks that it does not turn into a washboard and that we have potholes all over the place.

Will the Minister, consider if this is a possibility of something that he can look at with his department, federal counterparts and also the federal Minister of Transportation ?

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Member for his comments on the condition of the highways. It was not my choice th