Debates of March 2nd, 2015

This is page numbers 5871 – 5908 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Addressing School Attendance Challenges

Public Service In The Northwest Territories

Minister Absent From The House

Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

Aboriginal Languages Month

Norman Wells Blizzard And Power Outage

Hay River Chamber Of Commerce Agm And Awards Ceremony

Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

Kakisa Commercial Fishery

Beaufort-Delta Region 2018 Arctic Winter Games Bid

Re-Profiling Former Hay River Hospital

Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

GNWT Student Recruitment

Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

Contribution Agreements For Aboriginal Languages

Commercial Energy Conservation And Efficiency Program

Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

Bill 47:

An Act To Amend The Child And Family Services Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 38:

An Act To Amend The Jury Act

Bill 41:

An Act To Amend The Partnership Act

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister's Statement 167-17(5): Addressing School Attendance Challenges

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, I have often talked about the Education Renewal Initiative in this House and have updated Members a number of times as to its progress. In our discussions last year, Members said that unless children actually go to school it does not matter what programs and supports are provided. Members encouraged us to create a school attendance advertising campaign and, Mr. Speaker, we have acted upon that advice.

Mr. Speaker, our school attendance rates are not where we want them to be. Students must strive for 100 percent in order to give themselves the best chance to learn. A student who has 80 percent attendance is missing two full years of school by the time they reach Grade 10. In 2014 the average attendance in our small communities was 77 percent compared to 82 percent in the regions and 90 percent in Yellowknife. Seventy-one percent of Northwest Territories Grade 10 students had less than 80 percent attendance. We must work to improve these statistics.

Ensuring students go to school is everyone’s responsibility. Many people can affect a student’s attendance. It is the role of the school to provide thought-providing classes and a safe and warm environment. Parents and caregivers can help their children get out of bed on time and provide a healthy breakfast and a quiet place to do homework. Leaders can speak to the importance of education and can motivate and incent students by showing them how a good education can improve their lives, and government can provide information

and resources to help students become the best they can be and provide leadership to district education councils and authorities and support parents.

Following on the advice of Members, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is undertaking a student attendance campaign that takes our message directly to youth in ways they understand. We are using innovative and modern graphics and “teen-speak.” We have created an infographic which not only poses questions about attendance but offers youth places to go if they need help.

We will be providing these resources to Members for their constituency offices and will be displaying information about attendance, helpline contacts and quick facts in every community in the Northwest Territories. Our goal is to ensure youth make good decisions for themselves and their futures and to make sure they know where to seek help if they need it.

Mr. Speaker, this campaign was, in part, created by youth. They advised us on the look and feel of the campaign, the right wording to use to reach their peers and where to place our messages. I firmly believe that because of their participation in this campaign, we will reach out in the most effective manner to a wider youth audience and will be more successful because of it.

But, Mr. Speaker, this is not all we are doing to increase attendance in schools. Through the Education Renewal Initiative there are several projects underway to improve schools as learning environments. One of the reasons some students do not attend regularly is because they are being bullied. We are addressing this through our Safe and Caring Schools legislation, regulations, School Codes of Conduct and Safe Schools plans.

Another reason some students attend irregularly is because they are hungry. This issue is being addressed, in part, through the Healthy Food in Schools Initiative which is underway this year. Some students do not attend school because the courses they are interested in are not offered. We are addressing this issue through the expanded commitment to distance learning that ERI is supporting this year.

Mr. Speaker, we share a vision of a strong and prosperous NWT. Our youth need to be healthy and educated if they are going to participate in and fully enjoy the benefits of a growing economy. Education renewal is helping prepare them for a successful future. We recognize that attendance is of paramount importance as we move forward with the Education Renewal Initiative and we are working hard in this area on many fronts. These are some of the ways that our renewal of education is tackling the issue of student attendance in the NWT.

I want to thank Members for their advice and guidance on this issue and for their continued support as we work with youth to help them achieve their dreams. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 167-17(5): Addressing School Attendance Challenges

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Minister's Statement 168-17(5): Public Service In The Northwest Territories

Ministers’ Statements

Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Public Works and Services

Mr. Speaker, developing our employees and ensuring the public service is prepared to provide sustainable, quality programs and effective services to our residents in the future are a priority of this government. In 2009 we started a 10-year journey to develop excellence in the public service through 20/20: A Brilliant North, the NWT Public Service Strategic Plan. We are midway through the implementation of 20/20, and now is a good time to review some of our successes.

Our ability to provide sustainable, quality programs and services is strongly linked to recruiting and retaining talented staff who are committed to their professions, their communities and the people they serve. Employee surveys tell us the Government of the Northwest Territories is an inclusive workplace that recognizes and embraces diversity. They tell us we have good programs to support recruitment and the development of Northerners. They also tell us employees see real advantages to working for the GNWT, with its unlimited range and diversity of work and opportunities for career growth, development and advancement.

Mr. Speaker, we have seen good results in developing future senior managers through the leadership, management and Aboriginal development training programs. We have started implementing competency-based performance management to ensure successful performance in our jobs. We have implemented policies and programs to ensure our employees are treated with fairness, dignity and respect. We have partnered with Aboriginal and community governments to develop and sustain the public sector at all levels across the NWT.

The government is focusing on strengthening its occupational health and safety culture. The Department of Human Resources is providing strategic advice on Occupational Health and Safety, or OHS, activities across the GNWT. Twenty-nine departments and agencies have developed or are in the process of developing their OHS programs and have OHS coordinators in place.

However, we recognize there is more we can do to achieve our goals. It is also important that the public service focus on service delivery outcomes. We can achieve this by providing managers a strong framework for human resource management decision-making.

The Department of Human Resources is preparing an HR Management Accountability Framework to align the GNWT with modern best practices in human resource management. The framework will establish the supporting structure to set clear roles and responsibilities and reasonable performance expectations based on legislation, policy and regulations for sound human resource management decisions.

Mr. Speaker, we can improve our ability to acquire and retain talent by modernizing the workforce and workplace. Modernization means offering efficient and effective recruitment programs substantiated by cost-benefit analysis and sound return on investment. The Regional Recruitment Program is assisting with increasing regional employment opportunities by linking residents with local jobs. Nine trainees are in positions learning new skills through on-the-job training and providing service to people in their communities of Inuvik, Fort Simpson, Fort Providence and Fort Smith.

Two more positions are in the process of being filled. Work is underway to improve the program so that it is a proactive tool for hiring managers looking to fill positions.

Mr. Speaker, our vacancy numbers have improved, dropping by 188 positions between last April and October. The GNWT is continuing its focus on training the northern labour force and marketing itself and the jobs available throughout Canada using streamlined recruitment to bring qualified and skilled people into the North to fill hard-to-recruit positions. We will continue to use direct appointments and/or recruitment to attract affirmative action candidates to the GNWT and fill our critical vacant jobs.

We continue to invest in our youth by making jobs available through the Summer Student and Internship programs. While we are making opportunities available to post-secondary students and graduates, they also have a role to play. My advice to them as new job seekers is to be proactive in their search for employment. Research GNWT departments and agencies to find work units related to your field of study. Approach managers in

these units to let them know you are interested in working for their department. Apply now. Hiring is based on the needs of departments and agencies. Managers will contact students directly if an opportunity arises.

Mr. Speaker, implementing an HR accountability framework and improving our HR programs continues to move the GNWT towards the goals and objectives of the NWT Public Service Strategic Plan. With these modernization efforts, we ensure a diverse, competent and sustainable workforce, capable of, and committed to, delivering high quality services to the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 168-17(5): Public Service In The Northwest Territories

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 169-17(5): Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable David Ramsay will be absent from the House this week to attend the Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada Convention in Toronto, Ontario, and the Pacific Northwest Economic Region Arctic Roundtable in Washington, DC. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 169-17(5): Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I read with great interest the editorial in today’s News/North about decentralization. I’m glad that the editor agrees with regional MLAs and supports, “a policy that improves services in remote and isolated communities.”

Certainly we as a government have to continue planning to increase the amount of jobs for our regions. Every job transferred out of Yellowknife brings benefits for a small community and new families that will help the community grow.

In these communities, people with jobs stimulate the service sector as demand rises. For example, the move of the Business Incentive Policy office to Hay River created four jobs. I know that the Department of Public Works and Services assessed all of our communities two years ago, planning for devolution and then decentralization. The office space availability and housing availability rate did not score so well in Fort Simpson. I now can see that the Liidlii Kue First Nation, through

their business arm, Nogha Enterprises Limited, is planning to improve the situation.

The Liidlii Kue First Nation will be building a new office right in the heart of Fort Simpson. This is a joint effort with Parks Canada. They are planning on building additional offices for future growth, and our government should be right there beside them to plan the future growth of Fort Simpson, Mr. Speaker.

During question period I will be calling upon the Minister of Public Works and Services to contact Nogha Enterprises Limited in Simpson and see how they can be helpful as they plan for the next round of decentralization. I believe it is time for our government to seriously consider Fort Simpson for the next round of decentralization. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Aboriginal Languages Month

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In celebration of Aboriginal Languages Month and keeping with my own personal goal of speaking all nine Aboriginal languages in the House, with your indulgence I am honoured to address the North Slavey people today.

[Translation] Thank you. Today I’m going to speak North Slavey. At this month we pick one language I speak. If we lose our language, it will be a sad day. So that that wouldn’t happen, we need to keep it strong. There are five languages but only 500 speak their language. Thank you for celebrating this month with me.

The ducks will be flying again. Good, good, good. Mahsi. [Translation ends]

I am honoured to address the North Slavey people today as they are strong with their language and culture. I want to wish them also a good month of ducks.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I wish to thank our elder, and my teacher, for helping me today, Ms. Sarah Cleary, who is just over my shoulder, sitting behind me in the translator booth. I hope she is proud of her student. Mahsi. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Aboriginal Languages Month

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Wells Blizzard And Power Outage

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

How do you top that, Mr. Speaker? He’s a good student, he’s teachable.

Mr. Speaker, there’s a song Dr. Hook sings, “Storms never last, baby.” Mr. Speaker, listen to

this song because there was a really big storm in the Sahtu over the past weekend here. It was so strong that the storm blew out some transponders, or trippers, in Norman Wells. People were fighting after a couple hours of having no power. When it got to the three hour point, they were getting kind of nervous because they didn’t know what was happening.

I just happened to be there and I called the Minister, and the Minister answered right away. The Minister’s on the ball with this one here, Mr. Speaker, because he got back to me right away. Thank God there were some crews in Norman Wells that saved the day for us. If that wasn’t the case, because I understand even Tuktoyaktuk had some trouble with the power outage, and Inuvik, and right down the Mackenzie Valley. There was a big wind. The Minister was saying that the NTPC had to make some priority choices, some difficult choices for our communities, where to fly into.

Norman Wells was having a blizzard with gusts of wind of about 60 to 80 miles per hour. Thank God, also, it was minus 46, so it wasn’t too bad. But people were getting kind of nervous.

So, I want to say thank you to the good NTPC workers who were there. They found out where the issue was. They restored the power in just over three hours. The Town of Norman Wells staff will do as much as they can. People in the town of Norman Wells were running around seeing that everybody was okay. You know, Mr. Speaker, I understand that it’s also in Tuktoyaktuk and Inuvik, but I think it’s about time that the Sahtu gets its own NTPC crew, linemen, or do something, because if it wasn’t for that crew there, for whatever reason being there, we would have had the same troubles maybe like Tuktoyaktuk, you know, not having our power hooked up in that time the workers were there.

So, I’ll have questions for the Minister. I want to thank the NTPC crew and their staff for the good work they did in the communities. Mahsi.

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Norman Wells Blizzard And Power Outage

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Hay River Chamber Of Commerce Agm And Awards Ceremony

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This weekend, along with my colleague Mrs. Groenewegen , we were able to attend the Hay River Chamber of Commerce. Annually they announce the Citizen of the Year, and I’m proud to say that the winner of this year’s Citizen of the Year is Louise Schumann. Louise has been a long-term Northerner, has lived in Hay River for a long time, has supported play school and minor hockey, and more recently she was one of the driving forces to make the Hay River Skate Park a reality.

They also named the Customer Service Award that went to Juaning Capulso, and the Hay River Business of the Year was Super A Foods, so I’d like to send out congratulations to John and Tracy Hill and Steve Anderson.

At this function they also named the new executive of the Hay River Chamber. The president is Joe Melanson; first vice-president, Steve Anderson; second vice-president, Sherry DaRosa; treasurer, George Blandford; secretary, Allison Steed; and directors are Mark Huntley, Wayne Taylor, Heather Coakwell, Tom Lakusta, Wally Schumann, Kevin Wallington, Tim Hinz and Kelly Schofield.

It was a great event. We had great entertainment. I’d like to thank Anne Peters, the executive assistant to the Chamber of Commerce for making everything a huge success. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The current system of income assistance in the NWT is not working. It is complex, intrusive and inefficient, and too many dollars are being used up to administer a system that does too little to lift people out of poverty.

In 2013, income support payments of $16 million cost almost $4 million to deliver. Twenty percent of the dollars available went to administration. Given these shortcomings, another approach is needed.

Currently, before a person qualifies for income assistance they must be destitute. All of their assets, right down to their retirement savings and vehicle must be gone. Recipients must report regularly to a case worker and continuously justify their need. The system saps an incredible amount of time and resources and keeps people in their poverty traps.

If an income assistance client finds a part-time job or some other income, it is clawed back, removing some of the incentive to work at least. Contrast this with what many economists, on both the right and left of the political spectrum, feel is a less expensive option with greater positive outcomes, a guaranteed basic income.

This system automatically tops up the incomes of people living in poverty using direct automatic payments through the existing tax system while allowing them to keep the productive assets needed to get off and stay off social assistance. There is no need for an expensive bureaucracy to oversee the system, no need for applications and no need for monitoring. This system encourages people to find work by giving them the security of

an income guarantee without the fear of being worse off by working.

A pilot project in Dauphin, Manitoba, in the mid-70s showed many more positive outcomes, following the implementation of a guaranteed basic income compared to the old welfare-based hospitalizations system. Graduation from Grade 12 spiked, people were healthier, hospitals due to sickness, injury and mental health issues were significantly lower and more young women opted to complete school and wait before having children. The guaranteed basic income allowed families to make plans for the longer term, rather than fighting to free themselves of the welfare system’s poverty traps. It was eight years after the program ended before things reverted, finally, to the old measurements.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Mahsi.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Results from the Dauphin study showed that a guaranteed basic income lifted more people out of poverty than a welfare-based one. Over the past weeks we’ve heard the old-saw “insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting to get different results,” several times in this House. It certainly applies here.

Let’s try something new that has the promise to be effective and efficient. Let’s shift to a guaranteed basic income. Mahsi.

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Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Kakisa Commercial Fishery

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We know that this Assembly wants to foster vibrant communities, communities with healthy, educated residents. Well, local fishers in the community of Kakisa are working to do just that. A number of local fishers work hard to harvest fish from nearby Kakisa Lake. This fresh, fantastic and healthy northern product can be then sold in Hay River, bringing business to both the community and the wider region.

At first this may seem like small fry, but remember the community’s small population. Here, every catch counts.

The community has told me that they are hard at work promoting local sales. Residents are eager to promote local resources and to develop local employment opportunities. For the government, this is an opportunity for youth engagement, education and training like the successful Take a Kid Trapping program. Will the government act on this opportunity?

Small-scale commercial fishing like the kind done in Kakisa is hard work and often with small returns,

but still the community is looking to the future. For instance, they’re also considering possibilities in sport fishing.

In this session we have recently celebrated the launch of the new brand, NWT Fresh Fish from Great Slave Lake, designed to celebrate and promote NWT-based fishery initiatives both here in Yellowknife and in Hay River. I can’t stress enough the importance of encouraging and supporting local fisheries, not to mention education about the industry and its opportunities. Through this we can encourage both local food and community-based businesses. But even in our celebrations, I must be diligent. Communities like Kakisa may be smaller than our regional centres, but we must not forget their worth. These communities also need our support.

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Kakisa Commercial Fishery

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Beaufort-Delta Region 2018 Arctic Winter Games Bid

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, 2015 was a great start for many people in the Beaufort-Delta region, particularly those in the area of sport and recreation. We have seen a lot of achievement so far in this early start to 2015. We had some basketball teams bring in some banners, and we had a young lady from Fort McPherson win a gold medal at the Canada Winter Games. In fact, we had a strong delegation representing the Beaufort-Delta region at the Canada Winter Games. Just recently, our Inuvik women’s team won the territorial championships this past weekend.

This is all a good segue to show my support to the Beaufort-Delta region for their 2018 Arctic Winter Games bid. You’ve heard my colleagues from Hay River speak in support for their bid, and I also support them and wish them the best of luck in moving on this bid.

On January 27th to the 28th , our bid committee from

the Beaufort-Delta region welcomed five members of the Arctic Winter Games International Committee to Inuvik and proceeded to do a tour. Along these tours, obviously, they opened up with the drummers and dancers, which I’ve always showed strong support for and have always mentioned them in the House as strong ambassadors for the Beaufort-Delta region, for the Inuvialuit culture, but for the Northwest Territories as well.

They also toured some of our venues and accommodations, which I have to say have served many events in the past. Most recently there’s been the Circumpolar Games, Traditional Games, the Inuvialuit Circumpolar Conference, national TRC

events as well as the Inuvik Petroleum Show which has been going on every year.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the Inuvik Chamber of Commerce that hosted a breakfast as well as a dinner that had the whole community come out. In fact, strong community support was mentioned from the tour members on their tour.

In the Beaufort-Delta region we have a high cost of travel when we come to tournaments in Yellowknife or go down south. As a result, it’s vice versa. There’s a high cost of travel for teams to go up to the North. In fact, a lot of teams from Yellowknife and the South Slave don’t always get the chance to go up and see what Inuvik has to offer. I think it’s about time that we showcased the Beaufort-Delta and got some of these southern teams, southern communities up to see what the Beaufort-Delta has to offer.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Beaufort-Delta Region 2018 Arctic Winter Games Bid

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Like I said, it’s a high cost of travel. Inuvik comes down to participate in all these events all the time from the Beaufort-Delta region. As well, it’s a great chance to showcase the Beaufort-Delta region. Also, it might be one of the last times to actually drive the ice road, so that’s one thing to also highlight.

Before I finish off my Member’s statement, I would just like to thank the Arctic Winter Games 2018 Bid Committee from the Beaufort-Delta region for their hard work and for doing an excellent job in showcasing what we have to offer in the Beaufort-Delta region.

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Beaufort-Delta Region 2018 Arctic Winter Games Bid

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Re-Profiling Former Hay River Hospital

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to talk about the Hay River Hospital. When the addition was put on the old hospital and the new hospital, it was state-of-the-art, cutting-edge technology with all of the supplies at the door of the rooms. It was an amazing day. I was there in the audience at the ribbon cutting for that new hospital.

That hospital has many happy memories – I had three children in there – and some sad memories. I said goodbye to some dear friends that were there, some elderly folks, and I even had a chance to work there and my husband worked there.

For a government that says they are billions of dollars in infrastructure deficit, we cannot discard a piece of infrastructure that is still viable. It can’t be

useful one day and ready for the wrecking ball the next.

Maybe we needed a new hospital. Well, we did need a new hospital, and thank you for that, but that doesn’t mean that the old hospital is garbage. If it can’t be used as a hospital, surely it can be used as something else with all of the things that we need in the Northwest Territories.

Let’s list off a few of the things that we send our residents south for: drug detox, alcohol treatment, diabetes treatment and education for families. And we have a growing number of seniors in the Northwest Territories. Surely those nice rooms all with a washroom would make excellent studio-type suites for seniors and that is not something that would require a lot of staff.

This building, in my opinion, can be re-profiled. I know the government gets nervous when we talk about that because all they see is the dollar signs and all the money that it’s going to cost, but we need to get real about our infrastructure here in the North.

We watched Doctors Without Borders on television treating people and providing medical care in grass huts. I mean, we have a building there that works. It’s functional. It’s operational. It’s viable.

I would like to today ask if this government could strike a committee with the Hay River’s Interagency to brainstorm, to come up with some ideas and if the Department of Public Works and Services can do a comprehensive, technical review of this facility so we know exactly what we’re working with and if there’s something that we can re-profile it into that’s useful to the North and to Hay River. Thank you.

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Re-Profiling Former Hay River Hospital

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Member for Range Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I’m representing Frame Lake. I’ve been speaking about income support a lot this sitting and I will again speak about income support today.

There are seemingly endless contradictory policies or rationale for denying clients that apply to income support. Today I have to highlight another one. We have residents who are homeless for any number of reasons. These same residents, if they’re homeless, are generally in need of assistance from Education, Culture and Employment and income support. For some, especially those with families, the only accommodation or housing where they will be accepted is a hotel or motel. But when they apply to income support for housing assistance, they are denied. Why are they denied? Because tenants in hotel or motel accommodations are determined by Education, Culture and Employment

to be living in transitional housing and transitional housing is excluded from the Residential Tenancies Act, and for that reason ECE denies them assistance.

That application of policy contradicts the action ECE takes for tenants at the Salvation Army and the YWCA, tenants living in what is also considered transition housing, tenants who are, therefore, also excluded from the Residential Tenancies Act. Yet these income support clients do get housing assistance from ECE. I can’t argue with the department’s

interpretation of the Residential Tenancies Act. Transition housing is explicitly not covered under that act. Even after considerable consultation undertaken recently around potential amendments to the Residential Tenancies Act, the GNWT Department of Justice has decided to continue to exclude transition housing from the act.

It appears that ECE has decided that tenants of hotels and motels are in transition housing and, therefore, not eligible for housing allowance from income support. ECE has also decided that tenants at the Salvation Army and YWCA accommodations are in transition housing, but those tenants are eligible for a housing allowance under income support.

So I have to ask the Minister, what is the definition of transition housing used by the department? What facilities fall under that definition of why or why not? What is ECE’s policy around transition housing and a client’s eligibility for funding for accommodation if they live in transition housing?

All I’m after is some clarity and consistency in the application of policy and, as the Minister likes to tell me, fairness for all income support clients. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

I would like to welcome everyone in the public gallery here. Thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of NTPC in regards to the power outage in the small communities of Norman Wells and Tuktoyaktuk, and somewhat in Inuvik. Given the weather conditions of the severe unprecedented wind storms that were blowing in the communities, does NTPC have a priority rating

scale as to which communities they should be getting into right away because of the power outage in the communities, given that they were all happening at the same time? Thank you.

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Power Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have an emergency rating system. The folks on the ground in the communities, in Inuvik for example, make determinations. They talk with the folks in the various communities and then they look at the severity of the situation in each community. The one that is the most critical is the one that we try to get to the fastest and the soonest. If you have a community where there are hundreds of people with no power for a great length of time, that is a critical emergency in the wintertime. So, we work to the utmost, working around the weather, keeping safety in mind, but making sure we get response people on the ground there as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The NTPC workers in communities of Norman Wells and Tuk and Inuvik, I certainly appreciate the types of conditions they have to be challenged with in order to get into a community that has a power outage and the emergency rating.

I want to ask the Minister, in regards to the Sahtu region, does the Sahtu region have qualified power linemen that could have fixed the issue in Norman Wells that happened on Sunday? Do we have people in the region who are able to do that work, other than wait for Simpson or Inuvik crews to come in?

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We have some personnel on the ground. We have some that we use and we try to look to work with other folks who have some kind of similar capacity.

In terms of do we have any particular linemen, I would have to confirm and get back to the Member on that. Thank you.

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I certainly appreciate the Minister getting the information back to me. I want to ask the Minister, is there any type of training in the communities where if we do not have that type of staff in our region, because we have to either wait for Inuvik or Simpson to come in with those qualified linesmen, can there be some thought to start training our people in the region so that they can do the work, other than to fly in people from outside the region?

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Power lineman is a very specialized, highly qualified trade where there are electrical skills required but also the ability to work under very significant and extreme circumstances, often on pole trucks, in

some cases climbing poles, so it’s not a type of profession that you can just have folks train partially. But I take the Member’s point and concern about having a permanent facility and capacity based in the region, and I’ll be happy to have a discussion with him possibly tomorrow morning, bright and early at breakfast. Thank you.

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Geez, thank you, Minister. Mr. Speaker, we certainly understand the type of requirements to be a power lineman. We have one fellow actually from Deline who is an NTPC power man, Mr. Kenny. So we know we can do it in the Sahtu.

I’m asking the Minister to look at these challenges. The Sahtu people are up to the challenges. We want to establish a permanent NTPC presence in the Sahtu region because of these types of situations. Thank God it was warm and it didn’t last very long.

I want to ask the Minister if he’s willing to look at, during the life of this budget, this Assembly, if we can see this type of movement into the next infrastructure budget.

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There are 266 days left to the next election. I will commit to the Member to have a fulsome discussion with the chairman and president of the Power Corporation, and I will be able to report back to the Member on the content of the outcome of that discussion. Thank you.

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Question 720-17(5): Emergency Supports For Communities Without Power

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have questions for the Minister of Human Resources today. He spoke today about our positions in getting students jobs. Obviously, it’s a priority of mine. I’ve had questions before in the House. Obviously, the Minister’s statement says we’re going to have the students research GNWT departments and agencies to find units related to their field.

The first question I have is: Is the department going to be proactive and go to the students and make contact? From what we know, they now have the ability to make contact with them. Are they going to contact the students and tell them the positions they have vacant and the positions that are coming up?

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department had an initial open house in

December when the students were back. We let the departments know that they were to post any of the positions that they had that would be available for students, and the students would do a little bit of work getting on to the website and finding jobs that match their field of study. That’s how we’re hoping to match them, not only here in YK but throughout the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, maybe I’m oversimplifying it. It seems like we have a set amount of students. I would say we have maybe 1,000 students. Are we not able to contact those students and tell them that these are the positions we have available, we’re interested in you coming back and doing an internship, so that they’re not looking for jobs in the South and they’re not looking to go anywhere else except come home to the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Last year, just on the campaign that we’ve always launched with departments, we had 598 applicants and we were able to hire 312 students for summer work. This year we’re hoping to widen that and increase that number. We’re hoping that more people can apply and that the departments are looking to place the students.

Right now it’s contingent upon how much money each department has to allocate to the Summer Student Program. Based on that, we target at least 300. If possible, if departments are able to do more, we will do more. Thank you.

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, I’m not looking for the summer students, I’m looking for students who are in their third and fourth year, so they have an opportunity to come back. We have a goal to have 2,000 more people come to the Northwest Territories, and I think getting our students back to the Northwest Territories is key.

Is the department willing to go and talk to those students and tell them we have certain jobs, we have some internship jobs for you, so that they’re not looking to go? I’m not looking for summer jobs where we just say, well, you just apply. I want to know that we’re getting our students who have a degree, who have business certificates, who have trade entrance-type stuff coming back to the Northwest Territories.

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Yes, that’s a good point. I was answering the summer students, but in general, we are going to target the third and fourth year students that are finishing their studies. Part of the plan is to recruit those students back to the territory as part of the overall plan to bring more people to the territory. Bringing our own people back, ensuring that our own people come back to work in the Northwest Territories is part of our plan.

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know I’ve stated in this House before that that’s how I came back to the Northwest Territories after my degree. I had a job coming back.

Are we doing that type of internship where you actually have an employee who is basically finishing up their degree and coming back to the Northwest Territories?

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

In addition to the internship that we have, the plan is to certainly connect with the people who are university students or college students who are graduating, other students who are in post-secondary who are finishing up their post-secondary education to come back and work for the NWT. I can ensure that the deputy minister of Human Resources is in touch with other deputy ministers from all of the departments to see what jobs are available that would match with students who are currently finishing up their post-secondary studies.

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Question 721-17(5): GNWT Student Recruitment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement and ask a bit about the policy or the rationale that the Department of Education, Culture and Employment income support division has with regard to transition housing.

My first question to the Minister is: Can he tell me what definition of transition housing is used by Education, Culture and Employment?

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Income Security Program assists with those individuals who are in need of basic subsidy. Part of the transitional housing obviously falls into that as well. We’re providing a shelter for those individuals who desperately need shelter in the Northwest Territories. It’s not only my department but we work closely with the NWT Housing Corporation to identify those areas. Those are just some of the subsidies that we continue to support those individuals who are in need.

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I didn’t hear a definition in there so I guess I have to assume that the department does not have a definition of transition housing.

I’d like to know from the Minister, if they don’t have a definition of transition housing, is there a written

policy that they use when they are determining whether or not somebody is in transition housing or not? Certainly, there are people who, in the city of Yellowknife, for instance, because of the almost monopoly that Northern Properties has on housing, if they’ve been banned from Northern Properties, if they have a family they can’t get into the Salvation Army, and if the YWCA is full they are left with no option but to use a motel.

I’d like to know from the Minister, is there a written policy that ECE uses for income support clients who are living in transition housing, and if so, what is that policy?

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Through our Income Security Program, the Income Assistance program directs all individuals who are considered transient directly to an emergency shelter. That’s why we work very closely with the NWT Housing Corporation and NGOs to deal with these matters. Depending on the person’s circumstances, an individual’s family may become eligible for income assistance after their stay in an emergency shelter. There is food and shelter available through that venue.

But we, again, work with those NGOs and the Housing Corporation to assist those individual clientele as best as we can as a department through the Income Security Program. Mahsi.

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. So, as I heard the Minister then, I have no home, I have two children and I need some place to stay and the Minister is telling me I have to go to an emergency shelter. So, I’d like to know – the YWCA is full, I’m not accepted at the Salvation Army because I have a family – what emergency shelter is there in the city of Yellowknife for me to go to? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. We’re dealing throughout the whole Northwest Territories, it’s not only Yellowknife. There are other shelters that we work with. Through the NWT Housing Corporation and my department, we find the best solutions that we possibly can for those individuals in an emergency state. If there are no emergency shelters, obviously we work with the Housing Corporation to identify a suitable accommodation on a short-term, temporary basis. We provide income assistance through that venue for how we can assist those individuals.

It’s all based on a case-by-case basis and there are many parties involved, whether it be the Housing Corporation, my department and other NGOs within the communities. Mahsi.

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister: I guess I have to say that I’m asking specifically about Yellowknife. This is my constituency; it’s my community. So, I’ve been

blacklisted by the Housing Corp. I’ve been blacklisted by Northern Properties. There’s absolutely no place that I can get into except to go to a motel.

Why is it that it’s okay for income support clients to get assistance from the YWCA, which is transition housing, but it’s not okay for me to get assistance when I go to a motel because that’s the absolute only place where I can live? Thank you.

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. These are the very reasons why we transferred to NWT Housing Corporation to identify those 75 housing units throughout the Northwest Territories, and Yellowknife is a big factor in that. I believe there were 55 slated for Yellowknife.

These are just some of the areas that we’ve identified as core need and we need to work with it, with the various parties involved.

We’re doing what we can to the best of our ability as income security, along with our partners such as the NWT Housing Corporation and NGOs as well. Mahsi.

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Question 722-17(5): Income Support For Tenants In Transitional Housing

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 723-17(5): Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I was speaking about decentralization earlier and I’d like to ask the Minister of Public Works and Services about when was the last time they had assessed Fort Simpson for suitability for offices and housing availability to help plan for our continued decentralization plans. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t have the date of the last time those evaluations occurred. However, I’m advised recently that the Department of Public Works and Services has had discussions about Nogha Enterprises about possibly creating some office space in Fort Simpson. Thank you.

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Question 723-17(5): Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. Certainly, I’m glad the Minister is aware that his officials know about the plans for Nogha Enterprises to build a 20,000 square foot office building.

Will the Minister continue to direct his officials to meet with Nogha Enterprises now that they’ve been in contact to see if they can be a part of that plan for future office needs? Thank you.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Yes. We have been advised by Nogha Enterprises in discussions that

they will be submitting some information to us on the description of their project and that there would be a discussion continued between Public Works and Services and Nogha Enterprises in Fort Simpson. Thank you.

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Question 723-17(5): Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. I just want to ask the Minister about the long-term plans for further decentralization into Fort Simpson. Thank you.

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Question 723-17(5): Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

First, if there’s an evaluation being done for office space in Fort Simpson, we know there’s going to be some housing needs before the decision is made on which positions are decentralized to Fort Simpson. My understanding is the overall discussion of all the decentralized positions will continue beyond the plan that we currently have. My understanding is we have decentralized 150 decisions and there will be more discussions and further phases, and Fort Simpson would most likely be part of that discussion. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 723-17(5): Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased that the Minister will be travelling with me this spring to Fort Simpson. Will he make time to meet with Nogha Enterprises on their plans for their new building?

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Question 723-17(5): Decentralization Of GNWT Positions To Fort Simpson

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I would just like to also add that the Housing Corporation will be building duplexes in Fort Simpson. There are three duplexes now slated for Fort Simpson and for all of the Nahendeh there will be eight duplexes being built for future decentralized positions. These are market positions and this is what we will be looking at. When these houses go on the market, that will be an opportunity for positions that will be decentralized to use those houses for accommodations. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 724-17(5): Contribution Agreements For Aboriginal Languages

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With many Aboriginal languages on the decline and with five Aboriginal languages today with less than 500 residents who can speak it, as I said today in my Member’s statement, now, more than ever, if we are not careful these cultures will be lost.

As I referenced on February 24, 2015, with over six competing language directives, plans and strategies, ECE is, “riddled with a crisis of governance, saddled with a lack of coordination and plagued with bureaucracy.” My questions today are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

Mr. Speaker, the Minister has gone on record indicating that his department is undertaking a monitoring, evaluating and accountability plan for Aboriginal languages and culture-based education, or ALCBE, and he’s doing this later this spring. As comforting as it sounds, the Minister has had ample time to evaluate where the over $15 million is distributed annually via his department.

Can the Minister provide reference if there are indeed signed contribution agreements and performance agreements in place for competing Aboriginal language boards and will he table them in the House? Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 724-17(5): Contribution Agreements For Aboriginal Languages

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. We as the Department of Education, Culture and Employment shifted our contribution agreement to Aboriginal language organizations through their cultural funding previously administered by my department. It’s going directly to the regional Aboriginal governments so they can administer these programs.

This funding agreement also allows Aboriginal governments some flexibility, Mr. Speaker, a greater flexibility, accountability and decision-making authority for their revitalization. They are the grassroots people. They know where the solutions live.

The Member is asking if there were any agreements that were signed. There are signed contribution agreements with all Aboriginal governments for the support of the regional language plans. We have five-year plans that are in play now with all the regional groups. We will continue to push that forward. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 724-17(5): Contribution Agreements For Aboriginal Languages

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

As you may hear, I’m trying to find some accountability and transparency for the $15 million that is distributed annually. That is the reason for my question. As I said earlier, redundancy is the Achilles heel of language preservation and revitalization. Interestingly, the Department of ECE is blinded by the obvious and we now wait for a pending MEA review.

Can the Minister confirm if his department has done any evidence-based research on redundancy since implementing the over six levels of governance? If he has, why is he so reluctant to share that with the House? Thank you.

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Question 724-17(5): Contribution Agreements For Aboriginal Languages

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

The fact is there are many players and it is a very complex situation because we are dealing with 11 official languages, nine Aboriginal languages and numerous regional organizations, all of whom are key players when it comes to language revitalization. If he’s referring to GNWT doing the same as Aboriginal governments, I can advise the Member that this is not the case.

Aboriginal governments, as I stated before, are implementing their five-year regional language plan and we are helping along the way. We are not implementing their plan, they are.

When it comes to dealing with Aboriginal governments in the process itself, this government broke down the bureaucracy by ensuring that increases in funding went directly to Aboriginal governments and other partners delivering programs and services. That’s what we’re doing. I believe in empowerment, so that’s where it’s headed. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I also believe in empowerment. But with over six levels of bureaucracy and governance for these NWT languages for preservation, I am looking for accountability and transparency. One must assume that a large portion of this $15 million budget is potentially eaten up in wages, honorariums, per diems and travel.

Can the Minister indicate, the $15 million budget, how much money actually goes into program dollars at the community level for preserving Aboriginal language and culture? Thank you.

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Question 724-17(5): Contribution Agreements For Aboriginal Languages

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

The Member is quite correct in saying this government invests well over $15 million a year in support of Aboriginal language and culture preservation. That is our overall target. The GNWT and the federal government invest over $15 million annually through various programs and grants along the way and also support our goals and objectives.

I’m extremely proud to say that our government has empowered Aboriginal governments and educational authorities.

I can highlight some of the key initiatives of the money that we have allocated directly to the communities: $8.4 million towards the educational authority for K to 12 Aboriginal language culture-based education; $6.2 million administered by the Aboriginal Secretariat; $3.5 million directly distributed to Aboriginal governments to support their language plan; $450,000 for teaching and learning centres; $621,000 for Aboriginal Language and Culture Instructor Program; $422,000 for Aboriginal language broadcasting; and $125,000 for Aboriginal language terminology contribution.

These are just some of the key initiatives, key investments that we’ve come into and will continue to support them. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, this is public money. All I’m looking for is some accountability and transparency. With some of the quick numbers we just heard from the Minister, that totalled well over $18 million. So we are already adding more money to this pot than we are talking about here today.

Speaking about money, under the old Canada-Northwest Territories Cooperation Agreement for French and Aboriginal Languages in the NWT, the federal government invested $1.9 million to fund nine official Aboriginal languages in the Northwest Territories. This number has been static for many years.

Can the Minister indicate what initiatives, if any, are there to renew this federal investment and bring this amount in line with our current needs? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 724-17(5): Contribution Agreements For Aboriginal Languages

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We are currently in negotiations with the federal government on French language and Aboriginal language contribution agreements. We are in the final stages of signing. I am hoping by this summer. It all depends on how the federal government plays. I have met with the Minister of Canadian Heritage and also Official Languages. I met with her in December and also in January during the Ottawa Days. I stressed to her that it’s important to sign off another four- or five-year agreement. So, the message is clear to the federal Minister that we need to have a new agreement with an increase in funding. So, that’s what I’ve been pushing for and I’ll continue to do so. Mahsi.

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Question 724-17(5): Contribution Agreements For Aboriginal Languages

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 725-17(5): Commercial Energy Conservation And Efficiency Program

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.Today I’ll have questions for the Minister of Public Works and Services . Last week I had questions in the House about the Net Metering Program and some questions around energy. I know this department has taken over the responsibility for energy. I’d like to ask the Minister, in regards to supporting small businesses, I understand there’s a business support program within his department and I want to ask the Minister, when was that program last reviewed in terms of supporting businesses in the Northwest Territories?

Under this program, this program is designed to help businesses in the NWT implement renewable energy and energy-efficient projects. As we know, the cost of doing business in the North is fairly high.

I’d like to ask the Minister, first of all, when was that program last reviewed, and is there an increase in dollars projected for the future? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 725-17(5): Commercial Energy Conservation And Efficiency Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister of Public Works , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 725-17(5): Commercial Energy Conservation And Efficiency Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Business Incentive Program is an ongoing program that is administered by the Arctic Energy Alliance. Last year we had $200,000. It was not

fully subscribed at that point; however, we’re going to continue with that funding, and if there’s more uptake we would consider looking around for additional funds to fund that program. It is considered to be very important. Thank you.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

It’s a shame to hear that the program wasn’t fully utilized in previous years, and I do understand that the department does have a partnership with the Arctic Energy Alliance.

I was wondering when was the last time the Minister met with the Arctic Energy Alliance and looked at this policy to see what barriers and challenges are preventing our businesses from actually participating in this program that can potentially help businesses succeed, get a higher revenue but also cut down on our carbon emissions.

I’d like to ask him, when was the last time that his department and staff met with Arctic Energy Alliance to review this policy and address any barriers that might prevent businesses from accessing this funding? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 725-17(5): Commercial Energy Conservation And Efficiency Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The department is in regular contact with the Arctic Energy Alliance, as they deliver quite a few programs for the Government of the Northwest Territories. Specifically when this particular program was last reviewed, I don’t have that date. It seems to be a program that is working well. It is almost fully subscribed, so we expect that when we start our energy division and we start to have more communications with Arctic Energy Alliance and its clientele, we expect that all of the money that we give to Arctic Energy Alliance will be fully subscribed. Thank you.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

It’s possible that there might be limits on the amount of dollars that a small business can access. We all know that when you’re putting in infrastructure such as solar energy, that high cost of shipping materials up to, let’s say, the Beaufort-Delta region and then installing them, it does come at a very high cost, and with the amount of sunlight we get during the summer there’s a short window to get any kind of profit on that.

Would the Minister also look at a solar energy program, a program that promotes the use of solar energy technologies in the NWT and work with Arctic Energy Alliance to address those challenges and how we can make it better for the small businesses to actually invest in this type of project? Thank you.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The Alternative Energy Program, which looks at all of the alternatives to energy, is a program that is currently being delivered by Arctic Energy Alliance, and that program has $800,000 to look at a lot of various programs. An example is there is a more energy-efficient hot water replacement program so that it

cuts down on energy use, greenhouse gas emissions and so on. In that program alone the Arctic Energy Alliance expended $300,000 last year. There are other programs that are available under that program and also looking at the various technologies under alternative energy, also programs that Arctic Energy Alliance delivers for the GNWT.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under the energy department there is an area under solar energy, and for the last couple of years it has received funding in the area of maybe about $625,000.

Can I ask the Minister if that funding has been fully utilized throughout the Northwest Territories as well?

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I don’t have that information here with me. I can have that information specific to the utilization of the solar energy budget given to me and I can provide that to the Member.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement with questions for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The pilot program in Dauphin, Manitoba, showed that the guaranteed basic income saved money in the long run through decreased costs in health care and provided better outcomes for clients. We have all the same issues as were prevalent in Dauphin, only in spades.

Given our ongoing record of failure of income support to save money, reduce health care needs, improve graduation rates and reduce unemployment rates, all things that the Dauphin five-year pilot turned around, why is our present system failing to address these same issues here in the Northwest Territories?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My department provides income security to those individuals who are in need of subsidy, we’re not failing those people. We’re providing subsidy to those individuals. When the Member talks about Manitoba, the Mincome, in 1974 they subsidized 1,000 families with monthly cheques. At that time the federal and provincial governments collectively spent $17 million in 1974. Just imagine the cost factor today.

This is an area that my department will do what we can to provide the basic needs to those individual clients based on their needs. There has been a request for an increase in our funding, so that’s what we’re after right now. In 2007 we made substantial changes, and we’re going through another round of changes in 2015-16.

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The Minister failed to address the savings and the cost benefits of that program. They did invest money, and that’s what I’m suggesting we do instead of $20 million without getting any results.

In his ’13-14 review of income assistance, the Auditor General noted that in half of the NWT files examined, client eligibility was not confirmed. In half of the files, income was not verified. In 20 percent of the files requiring Productive Choices were not committed to, and in 30 percent of the files the participation in Productive Choices were not monitored. In one-third of the files, payments made to clients were inaccurate. The system is unwieldy, inaccurate, inefficient and intrusive.

Will the Minister thoroughly explore the opportunity for these issues to be resolved through the implementation of a guaranteed basic income program instead of the current approach and report back to this House?

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Obviously, if we had $20 million or $30 million today this is an area we can possibly explore, but we don’t have that kind of funding available to us to date. At the same time, as I stated earlier, we are making some changes effective April 1, 2015. We are proposing to increase our overall food benefits under income assistance programming. This is from a recommendation and also suggestions from the clientele, the general public that it’s time that we change our programming, and we’ve done that in 2007 and again in 2015 to meet the needs of those individual clients. That’s what we’re doing as a department.

We provide directly to those individual clients with a subsidy that’s available to them.

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I greatly appreciate that move on the part of the Minister, but what we are committing to here is an ongoing, ever-increasing subsidy, as the Minister said in his own words in response to my first question.

In 2013 the Auditor General’s report found that 90 percent of the income assistance files they reviewed did not meet one or more key system requirements. Not only is this a huge administrative cost, we are not getting value for money. The system is broken and we are no longer closer to the considerable improvements required. We have an opportunity to start from square one with a guaranteed basic income that will save money and has better outcomes, according to the research that’s been done.

Will the Minister commit to researching the feasibility of a guaranteed basic income, streamlining the system and freeing up money, freeing up money wasted on administration that could be put to better use helping the people who need it?

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Our system is not broken. We still provide funding. We still provide subsidy to those Northwest Territories clientele on income security, and we will continue to do. We always make improvements as well.

Again, I have to reiterate, in 2007 we made substantial changes to our food programming and we will continue to do so. Again, in 2015 we’re going to have another increase. I’m not sure. The Member is referring to a feasibility study. These are the changes that we heard and we’re moving forward on the changes from the recommendation of the general public. We’re making changes to our policy every now and then and this is one of them.

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, indeed, we will continue to pour money down this drain ad infinitum without achieving what we want to achieve as opposed to the Dauphin study which the positive benefits lasted eight years after the money stopped. What more can you say? What we are doing now has not worked for some time and shows no promise of getting better. This government needs to admit that the welfare system has no future and, more importantly, that the clients who depend on it have no future either. That’s the point that’s being made here.

When will the Minister begin to move towards a system that is proven to work: the guaranteed basic income?

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We are indeed pouring money into where it’s needed. The most clientele necessity, the most basic needs we’re providing funding towards that. That is our overall goal and objective to look after those who most need it. The ones who are in poverty, we’re providing a subsidy to them. We’re making changes to our programming, as I stated. This is what we’re doing as the Department of Education, Culture and Employment responsible for the Income Security Program. This is an area that we’ve made some considerable improvement, as I stated before, but we are putting money where our mouth is to the clientele who most need it.

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Question 726-17(5): Guaranteed Basic Income Proposal

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . I’d like to ask him some questions around a strategy which has been under development for quite some time. We all know that our health costs are very high. It’s the largest department that we have within this government. We also know that within that department that drug costs are probably the highest or it’s a very large percentage of that total budget. Both nationally and provincially people are looking to try and reduce those costs.

Members have been hearing since January of 2013 about the development of a pharmaceutical strategy from either the current Minister or the previous Minister. About a year ago the Minister advised committee about a number of things that they were doing in terms of the development of a strategy, that they were hiring people, they were looking into this, they were looking into that. Last month Mr. Dolynny asked some questions and we were advised the same thing. We were looking into this, we were looking into that.

So my first question is, where is the development of a pharmaceutical strategy as of today? Thank you.

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The pharmaceutical strategy isn’t completed at this point. We have had difficulty finding permanent pharmacy or a pharmacist to actually participate in this in the department and we have actually done some contract work with pharmacists to actually start moving on this. So it’s not done. We are continuing to move forward. I don’t anticipate the pharmaceutical strategy will be fully 100 percent concluded in the life of this government, but many of the components will be well on their way to being completed during the life of this government.

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. That’s unfortunate because on February 6th the Minister

said to Mr. Dolynny that the final report is expected this winter. Now I just heard the Minister say that we’re not going to get it within this Assembly, so that’s disturbing. It’s more than two years that we’ve been waiting for this pharmaceutical strategy. I can appreciate the difficulties with getting expertise to deal with it, but that seems like a very long time.

The Program Review Office has been involved somehow in developing this strategy and assisting the department. I’d like to know from the Minister what the role of the Program Review Office has been in this development. Thank you.

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

A pharmaceutical strategy and the research and analysis are two different things. We will have a lot of that information prepared during the life of this government, but the full rollout of a comprehensive pharmaceutical strategy will take a little bit longer.

The Program Review Office has been doing some analysis into the costs and the implementation of distribution of pharmaceuticals through the health care system and they’re going to continue to do that work. Thank you.

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. So, we’re going to have some work done, and I appreciate it’s going to take longer to roll it out, but when can committee expect to see a report or a draft, some kind of concrete progress on a pharmaceutical strategy? Thank you.

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

We have been working on it. I can’t remember the exact date that we plan to have something available for the committee, but I will review my notes and talk to the department to get a concrete date for the Member. Thank you.

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. I wait anxiously for that information on timing.

I’d like to know from the Minister if he can advise me and advise the public what kind of an impact having a pharmaceutical strategy is going to have on our Extended Health Benefits Program in terms of impact to individuals and impact on our costs. Thank you.

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

There are going to be many components of a pharmaceutical strategy and they don’t necessarily relate directly to the extended benefits that we provide at this time. Previously, Mr. Dolynny was talking about a catastrophic drug program for those large, expensive pharmaceutical treatments that we don’t provide support to now. Those will cover those for residents of the Northwest Territories who have incredibly high costs. We need to do the financial analysis, but many of those costs are hard to predict because many of these particular drugs or treatment programs are very rare or not used on a regular basis.

But just as a note, they are not part of the Extended Health Benefits Program at this time, so it will not adversely affect that program. Thank you.

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Question 727-17(5): Development Of Pharmaceutical Strategy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Item 8, written questions. Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to opening address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16,

notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Mr. Abernethy .

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Bill 47:

An Act To Amend The Child And Family Services Act

First Reading of Bills

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Thebacha , that Bill 47,

An Act to Amend the Child and Family Services Act , be read for the first time.

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Bill 47:

An Act To Amend The Child And Family Services Act

First Reading of Bills

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Bill 47,

An Act to Amend the Child and Family Services Act has had first reading.

---Carried

Item 19, second reading of bills.

Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 12 , Northern Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Act; Bill 36, Health and Social Services Professions Act ; Bill 46, Deline Final Self-Government Agreement Act ; Committee Report 10-17(5), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2013-2014 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories; Tabled Document 188-17(5), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2015-2016; Tabled Document 205-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditure), No. 5, 2014-2015; Tabled Document 206-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditure), No. 3, 2014-2015; and Tabled Document 207-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2015-2016, with Mr.

Dolynny in the chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Daryl Dolynny

I call Committee of the Whole to order. Ms. Bisaro , what is the wish of the committee?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We would like to deal with Tabled Document 188-17(5) today, the NWT Main Estimates for 2015-2016. We’d like to continue with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and, time permitting, the Department of Lands. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Does committee agree?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Daryl Dolynny

Thank you. We will commence after a short recess.

---SHORT RECESS

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Daryl Dolynny

I’d like to call Committee of the Whole back to order. Committee, as per earlier today, we’re going to continue with the main estimates for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. With that, we have the Minister responsible. Do you have any witnesses you would like to bring into the House, Mr. McLeod?

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