Debates of May 27th, 1996

This is page numbers 647 - 688 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

New Handbook - "dealing With Child Abuse"

Presentation Of An Award To St. Patrick's High School Sadd Group

National Access Awareness Week

Proposed Make-up Of Nunavut Government

Recognition Of Brook Mattick In Locating Downed Aircraft Near Fort Simpson

Increase In Fees To Seniors' Facilities

Creative Solutions For Financial Management In The Nwt

Arena For Resolute Bay

Survey On Deficit Elimination Tax

Member's Statement Extending Thanks To Emergency Workers At Plane Crash Site Near Fort Simpson

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Status Of Cabinet Vote On Motor Vehicles Act Amendment

Negotiations For Transfer Of Joe Greenland Centre

Government Training Funds For Nunavut

Federal Responsibility For Aboriginal Health Services

GNWT Security Measures

Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk All-weather Road

Funding For Clyde River Wharf Improvements

Tabling Of Affirmative Action Plan

Community Block Funding Payment

Schedule

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Extended Adjournment

Tabling Of Draft Western Constitution

Appointment Date Of Languages Commissioner

Bill 14: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 3

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Committee Report 3-13(3): Standing Committee On Resource Management And Development Report On The Review Of The 1996-97 Main Estimates

Bill 10: Budget Measures Implementation Act, 1996-97

Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97

Committee Report 2-13(3): Standing Committee On Infrastructure Report On The Review Of The 1996-97 Main Estimates

Committee Report 1-13(3): Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of The 1996-97 Main Estimates

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 10: Budget Measures Implementation Act, 1996- 97

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 71-13(3): New Handbook - "dealing With Child Abuse"

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my department has recently participated in the development of a handbook called 'Dealing with Child Abuse." I believe it will be an important contribution in helping to address a serious issue which I know is of great concern to all of us.

This handbook was developed in cooperation with the departments of Education, Culture and Employment; Health and Social Services; and, Justice, and with the support of the RCMP, Crown prosecutors and the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association. The book has been designed by northerners to be relevant to the northern context. It will build on some important work undertaken by these departments and agencies in recent years to combat the problem of child abuse.

The book explains the signs of child abuse and how to listen for a child's disclosure that they have been interfered with. Too often, children may try to tell someone that they are suffering abuse but the complaint goes unnoticed because those who receive it don't have the knowledge necessary to appreciate what is being said to them. This book will help solve that problem.

The handbook also talks about what to do when a child discloses that they have experienced abuse. Knowing where to go to make sure that the necessary reports are made to get the child some help and to initiate the necessary enquiries is an important step. This book describes how to get those things done.

I am also pleased to report that the work done to prepare this handbook has increased the interest in this important issue among educators. School staff are interested in pursuing more intensive training. We are encouraging them to invite their colleagues in policing, social services and health care to join them in this and in adopting joint planning initiatives to address this issue in their communities.

Adopting a collective approach to tackling the problem of child abuse has already produced results and I believe that much more can be achieved.

Mr. Speaker, departments and agencies which cooperated in the development of the child abuse handbook are also updating an interagency protocol designed to enhance their collective capacity to address child abuse issues. This government, for some time now, has advocated this kind of interagency, holistic approach to social issues and this is one area where real progress is being made.

Mr. Speaker, the goal is to make sure that when a child calls out for help, help will be there and the response will be the best that we can give. Our children can, and must, be able to expect that from us.

Mr. Speaker, we are all aware that we experience disproportionate levels of child abuse and child sexual abuse in the Northwest Territories. That will only change if we are prepared to have the courage and the commitment to confront the problem in every community. The best place to start is in the home; but I believe that we must also act to ensure that our schools are a safe haven where children can find those who will listen and provide help, if and when help is needed.

Regrettably, there have been some occasions when that may not have been the case in the past. It would be an oversight if I failed to mention that there have been some instances when individuals working in our schools, or in other agencies, have themselves been the perpetrators of child abuse.

I note, for example, the recently completed case involving Maurice Cloughly who, after a guilty plea, is now serving a lengthy sentence, and rightly so, for years of abusive behaviour. Students who suffered from that abuse have carried the emotional scars from what happened to them for many years. 1, and I am sure all of us in this Assembly, profoundly regret that such a thing could happen here.

My view is that we need to express a collective apology to all who have experienced abuse in that case and in others. We must commit to continuing to make sure that our schools are an inhospitable climate for those who would abuse children entrusted to their care.

Mr. Speaker, my hope is that, by helping school staff to better understand the dynamics of child abuse, by providing clear information about where to go to get help and by improving interagency and intergovernmental cooperation to address these issues, we are taking the most important steps to combat a problem which demands our attention. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 71-13(3): New Handbook - "dealing With Child Abuse"

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 72-13(3): Presentation Of An Award To St. Patrick's High School Sadd Group

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon to Members of the Legislative Assembly. Last week, I was at St. Patrick's High School to present an award to a volunteer group; Students Against Drinking and Driving. They are part of a national organization of Canadian youth dedicated to solving their own problems. The students at St. Patrick's High School formed their

chapter of Students Against Drinking and Driving in November 1994. The group is not so much opposed to drinking as they believe that people can enjoy themselves at parties and social gatherings without having to drink. They care about their friends and want to protect them from dangerous situations, especially where vehicles are involved. They get their message out to students through school assemblies, red ribbon campaigns, dry graduations and controlled parties.

They were recognized for their achievements earlier this year when they received an award at the national conference of Canadian Youth Against Impaired Driving in Regina. I want to commend their work and thank them for their helpful participation in the strategy to reduce impaired driving, with the Department of Transportation. With their cooperation, a

chapter of Students Against Drinking and Driving has been formed at Sir John Franklin High School in Yellowknife. I think Students Against Drinking and Driving is a positive example of students giving of their time and energy for the betterment of their communities. I would like to see more students at other high schools across the Northwest Territories get involved in preventing the needless deaths and injuries that so often result from drinking and driving. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 72-13(3): Presentation Of An Award To St. Patrick's High School Sadd Group

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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National Access Awareness Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since 1988, National Action Awareness Week has been challenging Canadians in the communities where they live, to take collective action to eradicate the barriers faced by people with disabilities. Participation in the Canadian labour force for those who are between the ages of 15 and 64 years of age is 80 per cent. Among Canadians with disabilities, it is 50 per cent.

Active employment seekers in the disabled community are unemployed at a rate of 30 per cent, compared to the national figure of 10 per cent in the non-disabled population. In 1990, the average income from all sources for working age adults with disabilities was $20,710. The average income for adults without disabilities for this period was higher, at $26,210.

The GNWT affirmative action policy identifies four target groups: aboriginal people, women in management or non-traditional jobs, indigenous non-aboriginal people and people with disabilities. While aboriginal people have the first priority under the current policy, it is important to bear in mind that all four target groups are underrepresented in the workforce. We must implement strategies to include all members of our communities in employment. Affirmative action for people with disabilities means making accommodations for the disabled.

This includes setting goals and timetables for increasing the representation of people with disabilities in the workplace; consulting with representatives of the disabled community; developing training initiatives that are suitable to the target population; making special efforts to contact suitable prospective employees who are disabled...

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Natilikmiot is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. ...developing training initiatives that are suitable for the target population; making special efforts to contact suitable prospective employees who are disabled; providing physical access to buildings and access technology, and so on.

Eighty per cent of job accommodations for people with disabilities cost less than $1,000. With careful planning, measures such as ramps, railings, convenient parking, lower reception and service counters, accessible placement of merchandise, wider entrances and exits, and larger and more easy-to-read signs and advertising need not involve great expense. Without such improvements, though, people with disabilities are prevented from offering businesses their patronage as consumers, or their services as employees.

Figures from the International Association of Machinists Centre for Administering Rehabilitation and Employment Services, a federally and privately-funded program in Canada and the United States, shows that employing people with disabilities can considerably reduce social assistance payments and public welfare costs. American figures, for example, indicated that employing people with disabilities saved American taxpayers about $12 million for each $1.5 million invested. Employing people with disabilities, then, Mr. Speaker, can reduce the cost of public services and thereby reduce taxation levels. Money spent on education and training is an investment.

At a recent community meeting held in Gjoa Haven and hosted by the NWT Council for Disabled Persons, members of QuIlik Society of People with Disabilities voiced their concern about the transition from school to community living for young adults. In that community, Mr. Speaker, there are a number of young adults who are "finished school, but not finished learning," according to Mary Kikoak, the president of Gullik Society.

A day program that would offer both work skills and daily living skills to benefit these young adults is considered suitable by the members of Qullik Society in Gjoa Haven. Thank you.

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National Access Awareness Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Proposed Make-up Of Nunavut Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to make a few comments regarding the proposed make-up of the Nunavut government. I am very unhappy because I am becoming more and more convinced that there has been a lie told to communities in Nunavut.

During the capital campaign that occurred last year, people were told that their new government would be highly decentralized. This would see Cape Dorset benefit from 67 new jobs; Igloolik, 93.5 jobs; Pangnirtung, 80 jobs; Pond Inlet, 77 jobs, and so on. These promises were made on a model conceived by the Nunavut Implementation Commission and widely used by the Iqaluit Campaign Committee.

Mr. Speaker, that is the reason my constituents voted for Iqaluit. If the Rankin Inlet model would have had more benefits for my communities, then we would have voted for Rankin Inlet.

Mr. Speaker, a grave disservice has been done to my constituents due to recent announcements by the federal government to fund the incremental costs at a lower level than required. I have tried to bring this matter up with NTI, but I have been answered with accusations of trying to unravel their special deal with the federal government to own and construct all the incremental infrastructure required.

Mr. Speaker, where NTI came up with this logic escapes me. My children and I, as beneficiaries, are shareholders in these institutions. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo , your time is up.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said last week, the health of the Nunavut economy will be better with a larger number and broader base of individual businesses, rather than the economy relying on four large corporations, regardless of who the owners are.

This is a straightforward and logical argument for me, especially if we put in controls to ensure that the Inuit population will get its fair and proportionate share. I understand that the president of NTI has been invited to the Baffin Leaders' Summit next month, and I look forward to discussing this further with him at that time.

I would also like to note, Mr. Speaker, that it appears that the largest newspaper in Nunavut, which is also the local paper for Iqaluit, appears to be actively discouraging discussions on the low level of incremental funding through means available to it. I hope that is not the case and I look forward to seeing much more debate on this matter in future editions.

I must say that I could not blame them for trying to limit debate since, as the funding stands now, Iqaluit will get most of the positions, most of the buildings and so on. Nunatsiaq News has a vested interest in making sure that the jobs do not go out to other communities and obviously a larger population and more government jobs would be very good for that paper.

Mr. Speaker, there was also a popular argument recently that the GNWT did this to itself by not responding to the NIC report. I will concede that there has been no formal written document issued until recently, entitled "Response to the NIC Report." However, I do know that the GNWT has made a tremendous effort, through correspondence and face-to-face meetings, to influence the federal Cabinet submission on the funding needed for incremental costs for the Nunavut government.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I must advise all residents of Nunavut that I will not stay quiet on these issues, despite the pathetic tactics by those trying to protect their own interests in the building of our new government. I look forward to meeting and dealing with these challenges head on in the next 33 months leading up to Nunavut. I especially welcome the opportunity to work with the NTI Board of Directors to build the best future we can for all the people of Nunavut. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Recognition Of Brook Mattick In Locating Downed Aircraft Near Fort Simpson

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to bring some good news and some not-so-good news. A former Government Leader of this Assembly had the opportunity to witness the marriage of his daughter. Mr. Speaker, that leader was Mr. Nick Sibbeston.

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Nick and Karen Sibbeston's daughter, Janice, was joined in marriage in Fort Simpson to Timothy McClelland, son of Nelson and Marjorie McClelland; long-time Yellowknifers. The ceremony and festivities were somewhat overshadowed by an aircraft accident of guests flying in to join the wedding celebrations at Fort Simpson.

Mr. Speaker, CBC reported this morning and gave a lot of credit to myself for finding the downed aircraft near Fort Simpson on Saturday. While this is true, credit should go to the skill and ability of another passenger: Brook Mattick, who is a flight instructor and pilot with Air Tindi in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, Brook had the knowledge, skill, ability and experience to fly our aircraft at lower speeds and altitudes and in the vicinity of other traffic, which gave Pat Scott -who is a CBC news reporter who was on the job -- and myself total freedom to give full time and attention to look for the downed aircraft which we found. From my perspective, full credit should go to Brook for a job well done.

I am pleased to report that both Lee Penney, the pilot, and Marie Benoit, the passenger of the downed aircraft, are in critical condition but are recovering in an Edmonton hospital. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Increase In Fees To Seniors' Facilities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

My comment in the House today is with regard to the Joe Greenland Centre in Aklavik, which is presently in the process of being negotiated for community transfer powers to the Aklavik aboriginal council, which consists of the hamlet, Inuvialuit and Gwich'in members of that community.

One of the problems they seem to have run into through these community transfers is the current financial problems with the increase in fees the seniors will have to pay for staying in these facilities. The aboriginal council has been in negotiations with this government for a number of months. They are asking if this government would seriously consider, because they are in the negotiation process, not allowing the June 1st increases to affect those negotiations. That is one item that is presently under negotiation.

There has been an outcry by the seniors about the impact these increases will have throughout the North, not only in Aklavik. They have asked that they be assisted in that. I will be asking the Minister a question on this matter with regard to those negotiations which have been under way for a number of months. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Creative Solutions For Financial Management In The Nwt

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The last six months have been trying times for us as legislators. We have struggled since November with the threat of an enormous deficit. At times, it seems that everything we have done has been driven by this dark shadow. With the limited time available to us, we have had to rely on the kind of difficult, painful solutions that have been employed elsewhere in Canada: job cuts; public service wage reductions; cuts and benefits to those in need; and, cuts to needed programs to serve northerners.

We have incorporated all of these into the budget we are reviewing this month. We have at least pushed most of the shadow back. Now, as we wind down the session and as government departments start planning their budgets for next year, it is time we looked at other ways of managing the resources available to us. We have to find solutions which do not hurt northerners. This will take a lot of effort and creativity on the part of all northerners. We have to look at creative ways of attracting financial resources to the North.

We have to encourage responsible development in the North, but do so in a way that keeps as much of the money and benefits in the North as possible. For example, if diamond miners live in Yellowknife, rather than flying in and out of the South, more personal income tax will come into our coffers instead of the provinces. We could use our tax rate, the lowest personal income tax rate in the country, as a selling point to potential employees in new mines.

We also have to consider creative ways to keep corporate benefits from new development in the North. Some suggest raising corporate tax rates and others suggest lowering them in the hopes of attracting more corporate income to flow into the North and to generate more of our revenue to pay for the programs we need. We have to work with the federal government to finalize the northern accord and ensure that a reasonable portion of mineral royalties from new mines and existing ones stay in the North.

Since the federal deficit is a driving force behind our deficit, we have to encourage the federal government to be more creative in generating revenue. The Auditor General suggests that every dollar spent on tax auditing generates many more dollars in additional revenues from tax evaders. Some economists suggest using a very small tax on currency transactions to generate revenue and to stabilize global currency markets. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have

any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All of these ideas have good points and bad points. Most need a great deal of careful analysis before they are implemented. We need to look at new and creative solutions and give them careful analysis so we can solve our financial problems with less pain and suffering for our citizens. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

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Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Arena For Resolute Bay

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have stated before, the constituents of Grise Fiord and Resolute ... (Translation ends) ... those communities are colder, darker, windier and further north than most other communities in the NWT. In fact, as we know, Grise Fiord is the most northern community in North America.

Mr. Speaker, I had a little research done about the climate in Resolute Bay. I learned, for example, that the temperature in Resolute Bay, on average, never goes above minus eight Celsius during May. That is the warmest it gets in Resolute Bay in an average month of May.

If you think May in Resolute Bay is cool, the winter months are extreme. For example, in January, February and March, on average, the warmest it gets is between minus 27 to minus 29 Celsius. The coldest temperature in February and March, on average, is minus 36 to minus 37 degrees Celsius. Added to those cold temperatures, it is a steady north wind which averages over 20 kilometres per hour all year round. These are tough conditions in which to expect little children to skate outdoors. In contrast, Yellowknife, for example, can warm up to an average of plus 10 degrees Celsius in May, and as warm as minus 12 or minus 20 Celsius in April or March, on average.

Mr. Speaker, I know that the Minister and her staff are looking at ways of dealing with these problems. I thank her for that. However, Mr. Speaker, I want Members of this Assembly to appreciate that we have a good reason for asking for modifications to the community outdoor rink program ... (Microphone turned off)

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Barnabas , could you repeat your last sentence? It isn't on record. You were cut off before you were finished.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. However, Mr. Speaker, I want Members of this Assembly to appreciate that we have a good reason for asking for modifications to the community outdoor rink program. We are asking for shelter for our young skaters because of our climate. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Survey On Deficit Elimination Tax

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From time to time, the Canadian Federation of Independent Business surveys its membership with various questions. Mr. Erasmus referred to various possibilities that could have been looked at, such as taxation. We have to look at alternatives.

One of the surveys and ballots that caught my eye is the question should the territorial government introduce a deficit elimination tax. Normally, they provide background, supporters' comments and opponents' comments. We all know the background to this. We have a deficit and we have to get rid of it. How do we get rid of it? The creation of new taxes is being considered as part of a balanced approach to getting rid of the deficit.

The supporters believe that taxes of this nature are the only fair way to allocate the burden of reducing deficits across a broad

section of the population. They argue that deliberate item-specific taxes, which have a life span only as long as the problem they are set up to address, are the best method to quickly address budget deficits. The opponents contend that any new tax will have a negative effect on the economy and, thus, reduce the overall tax revenue eventually collected by the government. They believe there is no such thing as a temporary tax and are suspicious that any new tax created to fight the deficit will become permanent.

I agree with the results of this survey, Mr. Speaker. The question is should the territorial government introduce a deficit elimination tax. Yes, at five per cent in support; and, no, at 95 per cent. So I think there are alternatives for us to tackle our deficit by looking at items such as Mr. Erasmus raised and looking at more employment in the Territories so there is more income tax. Use the Territories as a base to have corporations have their headquarters so we can take advantage of the tax situation that we have here and thus benefit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements Mr. Antoine .

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Member's Statement Extending Thanks To Emergency Workers At Plane Crash Site Near Fort Simpson

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the weekend, I, along with Mr. Henry and many other people, joined to celebrate with friends and families of Janice and Tim on their wedding. This wedding was a very joyous occasion for the new couple beginning a new life together. I would like to congratulate Janice and Tim on behalf of my family.

Mr. Speaker, I also wanted to mention the tragedy that happened during this wedding day where two people were in the accident in which the plane went down. One of the victims was the aunt to the bride, who is now in hospital and is in good medical hands, as well as in the hands of God. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize the people who helped in the rescue that occurred. I would like to recognize the people who performed very professionally and are all volunteers in the Fort Simpson area; they should be recognized. They are members of the volunteer firefighters, the ambulance personnel, helicopter pilots.

There was the Fort Simpson Hospital staff, the doctor and especially the nurse who went to the crash site and took the victims out to Edmonton.

Mr. Speaker, it is impressive that there was volunteer rescue help. It is good to know that we have people in the communities who are trained and ready to jump into emergency situations and function on a professional level. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Lydia Bardak. Welcome.

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Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I would also like to recognize Lydia Bardak and thank her for the show she put on on Friday with the puppets, for Members of the Legislative Assembly. Lydia is the executive director of the NWT Council for Disabled Persons.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the press who have been here time and time again, day in and day out. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 317-13(3): Status Of Cabinet Vote On Motor Vehicles Act Amendment

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 652

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . Later this week, we will be discussing an amendment to the Motor Vehicles Act that I am introducing, to make it mandatory to use headlights at all times. Since this isn't a government bill, will the Premier allow all Cabinet Members to vote freely as they please?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 652

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This issue has not been discussed with my Cabinet colleagues as of yet. Once we have the opportunity to discuss it, I will let the Member know.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 652

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Premier let the House know whether Cabinet will be voting as a block or not when they discuss it?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Definitely.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 318-13(3): Negotiations For Transfer Of Joe Greenland Centre

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 652

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Kelvin Ng . It is with regard to the Joe Greenland Centre, which is in the process of being negotiated for community transfer to the Aklavik Aboriginal Committee, which consists of the hamlet, the band and the Inuvialuit.

At the present time, those negotiations have been proceeding for a number of months. They are looking at possible conclusion of those negotiations this fall. I would like to ask the Minister if he can assure me that he will allow the negotiations to be completed and not impose on those negotiations. They should allow that to succeed in the free spirit of negotiations Could I get that assurance from the Minister? Will he allow those negotiations to proceed without interference, especially with regard to the fees that have been imposed on others?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng ,

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 652

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it isn't the intent of the department to impose any kind of barriers or restrictions in the negotiating process between the Aklavik Aboriginal Committee and the department, in trying to finalize an agreement to turn over this facility. It is my understanding that negotiations continue to be advanced and we are hopeful that there will be a successful conclusion to that.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for that statement. It is good to know we can work things out. I would also like to ask, with regard to timing, that we look at a time frame and have these negotiations completed no later than the end of August. You can also try to ensure that it be a speedy resolution to this matter so we could have it completed as soon as possible. I would hope you put the adequate human resources into this to have it completed as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I see no problems in trying to meet the end of August deadline in trying to finalize these negotiations. Like I said earlier, I believe progress is being made, so it's just a matter of continuing on in trying to resolve any outstanding issues, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 653

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the question about negotiations for community empowerment for priorities for communities. If there are any negotiations proceeding for any other communities looking at taking over health facilities or elders' facilities, such as in Tsiigehtchic or Fort McPherson, can we also consider those as part of the community transfer initiative? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If there are local groups interested in taking on the programs and services that we offer in any community, in conjunction with the community empowerment initiative of this government, there would be no problems entering into those types of discussions and trying to make progress. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 319-13(3): Government Training Funds For Nunavut

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 653

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , the Honourable Charles Dent . (Translation ends) This government has announced that about $40 million will be available to train people to work in the Nunavut government. Education and training is the responsibility of the Government of the Northwest

Territories. I would like to ask the Minister if it is our government's position that these new training funds be managed by our government, through the Nunavut Arctic College and our community learning centres. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the government recognizes that we must work with our partners in this issue but, as the northern public government, we are interested in direct responsibility for coordination and management of human resource development activities and in ensuring that, wherever possible, the identified incremental monies are spent in the North.

As northerners, we have a significant investment in our public colleges and feel that, rather than having to reinvent the wheel and start over again, the monies would most likely be most efficiently spent through the college system.

Mr. Speaker, we have commenced meetings with NTI, NIC and the Nunavut Implementation Training Commission, as well as the federal government, to discuss what each of our roles will be in administering these funds. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister said, I believe Nunavut Tunngavik has recommended that consideration be given to putting these training funds for Nunavut into what they call the Nunavut education and training trust fund; a fund which would be managed by three parties. I would like to ask the Minister whether the government has considered this option.

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Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have heard this suggestion from NTI but, I think, as I indicated earlier, it sounds to me sort of like setting up another structure to administer the funds. I would be concerned that, in doing that, we would risk not getting as much of the funds into training and losing a significant portion of the funds to administration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question I have for the Minister is that time is set up for a new approach for training. That was suggested by NTI. How are we going to know if we're going to have enough management trained within three and a half years? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, timing is obviously a concern. I think the Member has raised a valid point. I would be very concerned if we had to set up a brand-new structure to try to achieve as much training as possible. On top of that, I'm concerned about the amount of funds that are being provided. I understand that we have about $39.8 million that has been offered by the federal government, about $20 million of which is targeted at skills training, another $18 million on academic and job preparedness with the balance to go towards stay-in-school initiatives.

I would point out, Mr. Speaker, that this government and my department had estimated that it would cost about $110 million between 1996 and 2008 to achieve a representative workforce in Nunavut. NTI's own estimates were in the area of $236 million. So when you consider the three years we have to do the work and the amount of money that's available, I think it's imperative that we use the structures we have in place and that we look for a way to work with our partners to ensure that a majority of the money goes into training and not into administration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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their comments. I believe we will have the information back in time for me to take the draft plans to Cabinet in mid-June and to ensure that we can respond to concerns and still complete the posting of the plans as required by July 9th of this year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 320-13(3): Federal Responsibility For Aboriginal Health Services

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister responsible for Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs. Mr. Speaker, to my understanding, Health Canada stated that it provides health services to First Nations, only as a matter of policy and not as a fiduciary treaty or a constitutional right. Is this true?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that is the position that we've been receiving through my colleagues attending different ministerial meetings in Ottawa. Apparently, that's the position that the federal government is taking. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister be clarifying this directly with the federal Department of Health? Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

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Qujannamiik, Uqaqtii.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

The Minister has answered some of this, but I'll ask anyway. Early in this session, the Minister referred to the plan being developed by his department for human resource planning for the government in Nunavut. I would like to ask the Minister what the latest status of the plan is and when it is likely to be completed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the plans are actually being developed by each of the individual departments. The overall coordination of the plans is being handled by Education, Culture and Employment. The initial drafts of the plans are completed right now and have been sent out to NTI and NIC to receive

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as one of the Members on Cabinet, this is a concern, as well as to people who have treaties in the Northwest Territories. The position that I've taken in the past -- as a treaty person, and now being on Cabinet -- is that it's a fiduciary responsibility of the federal government. They've chosen to interpret this particular situation close to their regulation in calling it a policy.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, the rest of the Cabinet will have to discuss this. This is an item that was raised by the Minister of Health and Social Services . We will be discussing this and see what kind of position we take on this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This will be my last supplementary. Will the Minister be pushing for this to be put into legislation at the federal level? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this issue is an ongoing issue. I remember during the last government this was raised. We don't like it, but that's what the government is pushing forward. Like I said, I will have to discuss it with the rest of my colleagues on the Cabinet and look at what it really means, then we will take a position on it. Thank you.

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Question 321-13(3): GNWT Security Measures

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . We've all heard about past problems of people having sticky fingers with government money, embezzlement fraud and that type of stuff; particularly, our most prominent case involved a senior manager in Social Services. Has this government taken steps to tighten up security measures to ensure that these fraudulent practices don't occur anymore?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's my understanding that the government has taken steps to tighten up on its purse strings so it can't be defrauded out of dollars, or dollars cannot be stolen by employees. However, with a big organization like this, those things do happen. I know of some cases in other communities where this has happened, as well. Every time it happens, we learn from that and we try to tighten up as best we can but, along with the responsibility, you give employees accountability in how you get people who are stealing dollars from you. It is usually picked up through the FMBS or through audits. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Are there any investigations going on right now? I'm not asking for any names, but are there any investigations going on now?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been my experience -- as a Minister in this government for the past four years and as the Premier for the past seven months or so -- that it is safe to say there probably is an investigation going on right now in one community or another in the Northwest Territories. There normally is. Thank you.

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Does the Premier know of any investigations that are going on within the government? I'm not talking about community organizations or that type of stuff; I'm wondering about the government itself. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be pleased to check that out with the Minister of the Financial Management Board . He would know better than I if there is an investigation in government going on right now. I would be pleased to get back to the Member before we adjourn this session. Thank you.

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Thank you. Again to remind the Members, Mr. Krutko , I believe, was referring to certain Members with regard to the term 'the right honourable.' You only address the Prime Minister by that title. In this House, you address Members as "the honourable." Just something in the learning process. Mr. Roland , item 6, oral questions.

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Question 322-13(3): Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk All-weather Road

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This time my question will be directed to the Minister of Transportation . There was a study done on an all-weather road between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk by the department in 1990. I'm wondering what the costs were based on in this report.

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Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The cost of the study itself is unknown to me at the present time. I will get that information to the honourable Member before this House closes. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not looking for the cost of the report, but they came up with a figure of, I believe, $160 million for the length of the road. How did they come about those figures, is what I'm after. What class of road was it based on? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize for my misunderstanding. Mr. Speaker, this study was done in 1990 just to look at what the costs would be to build a road from Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk. What this study did was look at three scenarios and it varied in cost. It looked at the terrain, the types of rivers and creeks that have to be crossed, and where the material would come from to build this road. As you know, we're talking about the Mackenzie Delta which has very silty-type terrain. In order to build a proper road, you need a good base of gravel. Therefore, you have to go quite a ways to haul this material.

All this was worked into the study. As a result of it, they estimated the cost to be $160 million to do this

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is there a class of road on the highway systems; for example, A, B or C, and what would they correspond to? That is in line with my other question of the cost. Was it based on what level of road, if there are such classes? Thank you.

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Question 322-13(3): Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk All-weather Road

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my recollection, after looking at that study, I would say that the study was done to build the types of roads we have now in the Delta. That is the total cost of the road. Yes, there are different classes of roads. There are different types of highways. As you know, a lot of the

section of the highway between here and the Alberta border is paved or chipsealed, so it's a higher class of road. As you get into other parts of the North, you have gravel sections. Now we're building a fair-weather access road into Jean Marie River which is a smaller type of road system with a single lane. It's not built to have too many places where you have two-way traffic; the bridges are even single lane.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, there are different types of highways in the North. The type of highway that was looked at in the study was similar to the type of roads that are in existence in the Delta at the present time. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 323-13(3): Funding For Clyde River Wharf Improvements

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Transportation . I have a concern about the wharf in Clyde River. Is it possible to get some funding from the Coast Guard to fix up this wharf in Clyde River? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the honourable Member representing Clyde River. I was in Clyde River last winter, Mr. Speaker, and I know what the Member is talking about. The people in Clyde River want to have the wharf work done as soon as possible. The position of the Department of Transportation is that, yes, we intend to build a wharf. However, we'd like to do a study of the area first, perhaps this summer. We would then move on and build a wharf the following summer. The request was to see if we could get the funding to accelerate the construction of the wharf and that we would look at other sources of funding.

At the present time, I have to tell the Member that the plan that we laid out is still in place and that we haven't received any additional funding to accelerate this project for this summer. We are aware of their concern. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 324-13(3): Tabling Of Affirmative Action Plan

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . I wonder if he could tell us about the affirmative action plan -- I had expected a reply today -- to see when that might be tabled in the House. Could the Premier could tell us when we could expect that?

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Question 324-13(3): Tabling Of Affirmative Action Plan

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Premier , Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I expect Mr. Todd will be back today. He is the Minister responsible for tabling the affirmative action plan in this House. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Premier tell us if he will table this? Obviously, it will have to wait until tomorrow or, perhaps, it can still be done today.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the Minister responsible, Mr. Todd , had made a commitment to Members to try and get that to this House prior to adjournment. We will try and get it here as soon as we can. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Obviously, we're running out of time to be able to spend a lot of time reviewing that report. I wonder if the Premier could give us a commitment that no major changes will happen and that we, as Members, will have an opportunity to have some input into this policy if changes are being proposed.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member well knows, and the other Members of this House know, that is the way this government does business; it includes all Members of this House. It's guaranteed that Members of this Legislative Assembly will have the opportunity to have input into that policy and the rewriting of that policy. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 325-13(3): Community Block Funding Payment

Schedule

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. My question is directed to the honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Mr. Speaker, the honourable Minister has indicated to this House, during consideration of Committee of the Whole, her intention to give block funding community empowerment to communities within the Territories. I embrace the idea of giving more power to the communities and giving them block funding.

When the question arose from the discussion about funding arrangements, the honourable Minister indicated that the funding arrangement will be given on a monthly basis. To me, and to some of the Members of this House, funding on a monthly basis will require more administrative costs, it will not be cost-effective, it will not allow communities to get into short-term financing with the banks, and it will not allow the municipalities to earn interest in order to come up with more programs and services for the communities. In fact, I think it's going to be an administrative nightmare.

I would have thought that a quarterly basis would be more economical. Is your decision to fund the communities on a monthly basis a final decision of the department? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a Cabinet Committee on Social Programs and Community Empowerment. The issues regarding block funding concerns that are addressed by the Member can be brought to that committee and we will discuss his concerns at the committee level. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to Opening Address. Mr. Steen .

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Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Steen 's Reply

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Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the budget review draws to a close, Members can see what each and every region is receiving in the way of capital works and O and M expenditures for this fiscal year, as well as a forecast for the next year. Some regions are fortunate, in that millions of dollars worth of capital work will be undertaken over the next couple of years; capital works such as new schools, highway construction, marine facilities and land development. In comparison, other regions, such as my region, will see very little in the way of capital works. This is very unfortunate.

Mr. Speaker, those living in the southern part of the Territories do not seem to realize how fortunate they really are. They take for granted their paved roads, modern airports and all the luxuries of the city and large towns. For example, the other morning, while on my way to work in this Assembly building, I watched a large cleaning machine washing the streets and I thought it ironic that some areas can afford to wash their roads while some communities don't even have a decent road to drive on; never mind washing it.

Another example is the number of schools for some communities, whereby the residents can afford to choose where to enrol their children based on religious beliefs. Other communities receive new schools, even though the numbers don't justify the need at this time. Meanwhile, those communities that have schools that are in need of repairs or extensions are told to make due for another year or two.

Mr. Speaker, Members are told that the capital works budget is based on the needs identified by the communities. This government has the responsibility to ensure that each community has the fundamental community infrastructure before granting extras to other communities.

Mr. Speaker, I urge this government to assure this basic fundamental rule of good government is strictly adhered to. I suggest Members representing large communities in the southern part of the Territories should travel to the small, northern communities and see for themselves what we don't have, before asking for more capital in their regions.

Mr. Speaker, discrimination, in this and future budgets of this government, against the far northern regions of the Territories will only serve to feed the determination of people, of my people, for regional government and self-determination. No doubt, they feel there are other options available to them, but there are no other options available to them for proper expansion and economic development opportunities in their region.

Mr. Speaker, this is very unfortunate as this desire for regional government will serve to divide this territory into many different pieces. Recent decisions by the federal government, with regard to funding for the creation of a Nunavut government, suggest to me that the feds aren't too impressed with the way this government operates. I suggest the feds may be just as receptive to suggestions that regional governments are the way to go to assure equal distribution of resources and economic opportunities. It makes me wonder what this territory will consist of come 1999.

Mr. Speaker, when I came to this House last October, it was with the thought that this quest for regional government was not justified and, therefore, not necessary. I must say my thinking is rapidly changing and, unless there are drastic changes in the thinking patterns of this government, I will soon find myself in full support of this move to regional government. There will be no other alternative ways to respond to this discrimination against the have-not regions.

As an example, Mr. Speaker, within the past three months, my communities, on two separate occasions, requested the opportunity to negotiate construction contracts. On both occasions, they were turned down. Yet, this government continues to negotiate contracts in other regions. New policies are being created which are applicable only to a certain region of this territory.

Another example is the access road program of this government. It seems to apply only to certain regions at this time. Mr. Speaker, I don't believe the request for work and economic opportunities brought forward to this House for my people can be considered extravagant or unreasonable.

We are requesting work rather than welfare. We see millions and millions of dollars being spent on the southern portion of the highway system and next to nothing on the northern portions. The response we get is the funding this government receives for highway construction is earmarked only for existing highway infrastructure and can't be used for the construction of new highways. However, I note this government had no problem using federal funds earmarked specifically for construction of two new hospitals for other purposes.

This fact cannot be denied as this funding is not in our coffers at this time. Mr. Speaker, I wonder what these hospital capital funds were spent on and in what region. One thing I am sure of, there was nothing in my region, at least not in this budget.

Mr. Speaker, in the first draft of the budget, the Minister of Transportation identified expenditures of $9 million over the next three years, towards the construction of an all-weather road north of Yellowknife. I thought this was a very positive move and a way of indicating to the federal government that this Assembly was in support of this project continuing on to its conclusion on the shores of the Beaufort Sea. Unfortunately, along comes the Standing Committee on Resource Management and out goes the majority of this funding ensuring we are continuing with the hard topping of the highway south of Yellowknife.

I urge the Minister to reintroduce this project in next year's budget. I also urge the Resource committee Members to be more considerate of other people's needs and aspirations when doing future draft budgets.

Mr. Speaker, since the signing of the final agreement in 1994, the Inuvialuit have not been sitting back idle waiting for development to come to them. For example, they have planned to take advantage of an overabundance of muskox on Banks Island.

The Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation is in the process of developing a viable natural gas which could serve to supply the town of Inuvik with a cheaper source of energy. We also have the only herd of reindeer in the NWT, which can still be expanded into a more economic project. The Inuvialuit believe both the muskox harvesting project and the reindeer herding project could be made more viable through the establishment of a meat processing plant within one of these communities. This would serve to reduce freight costs which is the major factor in preventing these projects from succeeding at the present time.

Mr. Speaker, you would think that, with the fear in Europe of widespread mad cow disease, these disease-free meat products would market better. I urge the Minister of Economic Development to work closely with these business groups towards this end.

Mr. Speaker, the people in my region were not high from solvent abuse when we put forward the natural gas proposal. We are not inflicted with mad cow disease when we talk about muskox and reindeer harvesting. The conclusion of the highway to Tuk is not a wacky-backy pipe dream, like some people would like to believe. Let me assure you that we believe these are viable projects that would benefit both the region and this territory as a whole.

Mr. Speaker, the Premier has requested economic development ideas that would benefit this territory. I suggest he send his representatives to talk to the business people in my region, if he is unable to come himself. No matter who comes, they must come with a positive attitude

in order for the meetings to be successful. Mr. Speaker, I believe the Premier started off on the right foot when he appointed Mr. Newmark to serve on the Economic Development Advisory Panel. I thank him for his positive attitude in accepting this nomination brought forward by me as a representative of my people.

Mr. Speaker, while reviewing the Department of Public Works and Services in Committee of the Whole, I brought forward a motion to suspend the business incentive policy until this government can present a balanced budget. Mr. Speaker, I did not expect this motion to pass and it didn't. My true purpose was to see what measures this Assembly was willing to support in order to achieve this goal. It was also a way to force Members to show their true colours, so to speak.

Members have stated in the past that they do not support cuts to programs for the needy, in favour of continuing with subsidy programs with the business sector. Only one Member present in the House at that time, other than myself, backed up their words with action.

My honourable colleague from Hay River even went as far as to suggest this government would be shooting itself in the foot if we suspended the BIP at this time. Mr. Speaker, the more I think about this suggestion, the more I believe it could be a very honourable move on the part of this government. By all means, this government should take a pot shot at its own foot.

--- Laughter

However, Mr. Speaker, if the honourable Premier or the Finance Minister do decide to carry out these suggestions, then I suggest they obtain a heavy calibre weapon, such as a 50 calibre size buffalo gun. That way, if they should flinch at the last moment and miss the proverbial foot, they might by accident nail that sacred cow right between the eyes.

--- Laughter

--- Applause

Then we can all say good riddance. Then this government could justly boast that everyone is being made to bear their equal share of the pain. Then we may avoid a strike by employees this summer, as the employees would be able to see that this government is not asking them to bear all the pain.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise my honourable colleague for Hay River that there are many business people in my region, as well as in other parts of this territory, who have indicated to me that the suspension of the BIP would not affect them in the least. Some say their business was never established through the subsidy program while others say they will continue to operate successfully in the NWT, regardless of

Business people believe this government is responsible for the high cost of living in this territory. The BIP is the largest contributing factor in the formula. Many people have stated that they would gladly do without the subsidy, but because this government has made the subsidy available to one business person, they must make it available to all. Mr. Speaker, I urge this Assembly to reconsider and support the suspension of this subsidy in future, possibly when we return in the fall.

Mr. Speaker, as my honourable colleague, Mr. Henry , has stated in the past, the business community believes the Finance Minister can balance the budget and wipe out this government's cumulative deficit. If he and the rest of this Assembly have the political will to do so, I believe this is possible. The Finance Minister , the Honourable John Todd , has stated that he will accomplish this next year or the year after. These are very encouraging promises, Mr. Speaker. However, until the Finance Minister introduces further cuts to other subsidy programs such as the BIP, there are some