Public Housing Rent, Oral Questions, Conflict Of Interest Act, Fire Prevention Act — 3 March 2011 (16th Assembly, 5th Session, pp. 6337–6378)
2011-03-03, 16th Assembly 5th Session, pp. 6337–6378
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of March 3rd, 2011
This is page numbers 6337 - 6378 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
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Topics
Oral Questions
Members Present
Prayer
Speaker’s Ruling
Minister’s Statement 123-16(5): Public Housing Rent Assessments
Minister’s Statement 124-16(5): National Nutrition Month (March)
Minister’s Statement On 10th Annual Gwich’in Cup Minor Hockey Tournament
Auditor General’s Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Need For Repairs To Highway No. 6
Passing Of Elder In Colville Lake
Cost Of Internet Service In The NWT
Auditor General’s Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Major Telecommunications Outage In Mackenzie Delta And Nunakput Communities
Incidents With Psychiatric Patients Leaving Stanton Territorial Hospital
Myths And Facts About Carbon Taxation
Establishment Of A Territorial Hotel Tax
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Emergency Measures Plans For Natural Disasters
Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Completion Of Highway No. 6
Carbon Taxation
Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Status Of Draft P3 Policy
Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
Establishment Of Municipal Ability To Implement Hotel Tax
Norman Wells Block Land Transfer Lease
Carbon Taxation
Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)
Written Question 25-16(5): Gender-Based Analysis Training
Return To Written Question 19-16(5): Obstetrical And Midwifery Care
Return To Written Question 20-16(5): Births In The Northwest Territories, 2007-2011
Return To Written Question 21-16(5): Locum And Agency Nurses Employed By The Department
Return To Written Question 22-16(5): Statistics On Admissions And Graduation Rates For The Aurora College Nursing Program From 1999 To Present
Tabled Document 165-16(5): NWT Women Giving Birth - Number Of Discharges In And Outside The NWT 2005-06 To 2009-10 Tabled Document 166-16(5): Program Enrolments And Graduates For All Nursing Programs Between 1998-2011 Tabled Document 167-16(5): Bachelor Of Science In Nursing, Enrolments By Ethnicity
Tabled Document 168-16(5): Letter To Minister Lee, Health And Social Services, From Samuel Gargan, Grand Chief, Dehcho First Nations, On An Investigation Into The Allisdair Leishman Incident At Stanton Territorial Hospital Tabled Document 169-16(5): Letter To Minister Lee, Health And Social Services
Elders Teaching In Schools
Recorded Vote
Independent Investigation Of Incident At Stanton Territorial Hospital
Recorded Vote
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Expansion Of Veterinary Services
Community Consultation
Public Education Program On Dogs
Comprehensive Response Within 120 Days
Comprehensive Animal Protection Legislation
Amend Clause 4 Of Bill 16
Recorded Vote
Report of Committee of the Whole
Bill 14:
An Act To Amend The Conflict Of Interest Act
Bill 15:
An Act To Amend The Fire Prevention Act
Bill 17:
An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act
Bill 18:
An Act To Repeal The Settlements Act
Bill 19: Municipal Statutes Amendment Act
Bill 20:
An Act To Amend The Evidence Act
Orders of the Day
The House met at 1:32 p.m.
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Prayer
Prayer
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber.
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Speaker’s Ruling
Prayer
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Before we proceed to orders of the day I wish to provide my ruling on the point of order raised by the honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake during oral questions on Wednesday, March 2, 2011.
The point of order was raised that the Member for Weledeh contravened Rule 23(
h) by, and I quote from unedited Hansard, “making allegations that in fact the government has broken rules in this Legislative Assembly.” Mr. Bromley said, and I quote again from unedited Hansard, “they changed the rules.” Mr. Bromley also clarified that he was echoing the Auditor General of Canada’s words when she said in her report that the “regulations were amended” by the government. So I find that there is no point of order.
However, I would like to caution all Members against asking questions of a Minister on decisions made by a former government. Our Rule 38(2) states that “An oral question shall be concisely and clearly put and shall refer only to a matter which may reasonably be assumed to be within the present knowledge of the Minister to whom it is directed.” Also, Beauschene 409(6) states that “A question must be within the administrative competence of the government. The Minister to whom the question is directed is responsible to the House for his or her present ministry and not for the decisions taken in a previous portfolio.”
Also before I go to orders of the day I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge a special day for two of our colleagues. It happens to be the birthday of the Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee , and the Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert C. McLeod .
---Applause
Happy birthday to both of you.
Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, Mr. Robert C. McLeod .
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Minister’s Statement 123-16(5): Public Housing Rent Assessments
Ministers’ Statements
Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government recognizes that improving the quality of housing services provided to residents will help reduce the cost of living in communities across the Northwest Territories. Today I would like to provide an update to Members on the work of the NWTHC and ECE in improving the assessment process for public housing rents, specifically our success in completing reassessments for tenants who wish to have a review of the rent assessed to them in recent years.
The decrease in rent assessments at that time can largely be attributed to an increase in incomplete applications, meaning that tenants did not provide sufficient paperwork to qualify for a subsidy. The NWT Housing Corporation, ECE and the LHOs continue to promote to tenants the importance of providing proper documentation to qualify for assistance.
As Members are aware, on June 1, 2010, the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation assumed the full responsibility for rental assessments in the Public Housing Program. In the period prior to this date, the number of rent assessments conducted on a monthly basis had declined to 65 percent. Public housing tenants who were not assessed for the PHRS subsidy were assessed maximum unit rents by LHOs. This in turn led to a number of tenants compiling heightened arrears as a result of not being assessed.
Following the June 1
transfer, ECE and the
NWTHC addressed the issue of outstanding assessments by implementing a process for LHOs to submit files for reassessment. Information about the process was provided to all LHOs and LHO tenants in June and December 2010. In the months since this process was implemented, LHOs have reported a significant decrease in the number of outstanding assessments and greatly improved rates of rent assessment on a monthly basis. As of
March 1
, only 123 of our over 2,300 households
still require a reassessment of their rent for the period April 1, 2006, to June 1, 2010. Across the Territory, LHOs have achieved monthly rent assessment rates above 90 percent, which is a significant improvement over the 65 percent rate that we reached in May 2010.
In terms of reassessments, LHOs and regional ECE offices have worked closely to clear their backlog of files needing reassessment and are meeting acceptable standards of rent assessment on a monthly basis. While in most LHOs there are less than 10 percent of files that may be eligible for reassessment, in most cases these individuals are either no longer residing in public housing or have refused to participate in the reassessment process. In those communities where a backlog remains, staff from ECE and the NWT Housing Corp are working closely with these LHOs to clear the backlog and improve awareness within the community of the opportunity for tenants to be reassessed.
Mr. Speaker, as federal funding for the operation of social housing continues to decline, the funds collected through rent is essential to ensure that LHOs have the financial stability to properly operate and maintain the public housing stock. Timely rent assessments are vital to ensure that tenants are properly assessed and able to avoid arrears by paying their rent in full and on time.
Successful program and service delivery depends heavily on strengthened partnerships. The NWTHC and ECE continue to cooperate in providing assistance to those LHOs requiring additional support and assistance. I have been pleased with the effort put forth by LHOs and ECE staff during the transition period and their dedication to complete assessments. LHOs and local ECE offices have worked well together to complete reassessments and ensure that service is client focused.
Finally, I want to thank those tenants who have come forward and worked with the LHO to conduct a proper assessment of their income and who have begun dealing with their arrears.
In closing, Mr. Speaker, we face many challenges in the delivery of public housing in our communities, but I am pleased to say that our local delivery agents and many of our tenants are working together to ensure that public housing programs remain an important contributor to the Assembly’s goals of sustainable, vibrant and safe communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister’s Statement 123-16(5): Public Housing Rent Assessments
Ministers’ Statements
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .
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Minister’s Statement 124-16(5): National Nutrition Month (March)
Ministers’ Statements
Range Lake
Sandy Lee
Minister of Health and Social Services
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. March is Nutrition Month in Canada. The national theme continues to be “Celebrate food...from the land to the table!” What we eat plays an important role in our health and well-being. The Department of Health and Social Services recognizes this through one of the goals in its action plan, A Foundation for Change. Communities, families and individuals make healthy choices and are protected from disease. This goal is achieved by promoting healthy living and wellness.
Mr. Speaker, last year we invested $74,000 through our Health Promotion Fund to help community groups and organizations deliver a variety of programs related to healthy living including those that supported healthy eating and active living. One example was the Fort Smith Healthy Eating and Active Living Program (HEAL). Twenty residents completed the 10-week program that combined daily physical activities, weigh-ins and nine healthy living and eating modules. The group as a whole lost almost 200 pounds over the 10 weeks.
Other projects included: men’s cooking classes at the Salvation Army; Tumbling for Tots program in Norman Wells that promoted healthy eating and active living for toddlers ages three to five; a Healthy Living Program in Tulita that focused on healthy eating, not smoking around children and supporting pre and post-natal moms; Kids in the Kitchen in Hay River, as well as the promotion of breastfeeding through Moms, Boobs and Babies, a Yellowknife breastfeeding support group. Our Drop the Pop campaign continues to be successful, with 43 schools participating.
This campaign provides schools with funding to deliver community-based projects that emphasize the importance of healthy foods and avoiding sugary drinks.
Mr. Speaker, in 2009, around 27 percent of NWT residents 18 and over were considered obese and 59 percent were considered physically inactive. This is higher than the rest of Canada, where 18 percent were considered obese and 48 percent physically inactive. Addressing these issues starts with our children and their families. Through programs like Drop the Pop, we are making a healthy choice an easy choice.
Throughout March we will be working in collaboration with partners including the Northern Nutrition Association in celebrating Nutrition Month. We also continue to partner with many territorial groups through our Health Promotion Fund. Community groups looking to support community-led projects can access the Health Promotion Funding. The application form is on our website,
www.hlthss.gov.nt.ca
Mr. Speaker, one of the priorities of this Assembly is to focus on prevention by promoting healthy
choices and lifestyles and the role of personal and family responsibility. We can achieve our goal of healthy, educated people only if we all work together and do our part. Throughout Nutrition Month I would like to challenge our residents to be role models and champions of healthy changes in their communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister’s Statement 124-16(5): National Nutrition Month (March)
Ministers’ Statements
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .
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Minister’s Statement On 10th Annual Gwich’in Cup Minor Hockey Tournament
Members’ Statements
Jackie Jacobson
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I wish to speak on a huge activity that is taking place in Inuvik starting today. It is running through the weekend. It is the 10
Annual Gwich’in Cup.
This event over the years has grown into the largest minor hockey tournament in the NWT, with participants coming from the majority of the communities in the Inuvik region, including communities in my riding of Ulukhaktok, Paulatuk and Tuk.
Mr. Speaker, over 350 kids will be participating this weekend in the tournament. It is always a thrill for all of the youth to participate in this fun-filled weekend with their families and friends from the Beaufort-Delta communities and also from our neighbours in the Sahtu.
I wish to congratulate the Gwich’in Development Corporation and their partners, including the Inuvik Minor Hockey Association and First Air, just to name a few. Conrad Bates and Tom Williams were the first people who really started this about 10 years ago.
I also wish to thank the parents and the coaches and the volunteers who make this happen. I would like to thank the Minister and his staff. We had 65 nervous kids in Tuk when they found out the road was closed and they were looking to charter a plane. So I thank the Minister and his staff and my good friend Gurdev in Inuvik, thank you. I’d like to thank E. Gruben’s Transport and Northwind to make that road possible to get it open for the kids.
Mr. Speaker, lastly I wish to thank the people who had the vision to create such an important event for our youth in the Beaufort-Delta. Again, to all the organizers and all the young hockey players, I wish you all have a good week and success, and enjoy your weekend with your family and friends. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister’s Statement On 10th Annual Gwich’in Cup Minor Hockey Tournament
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .
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Auditor General’s Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Members’ Statements
Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to comment on the Auditor General’s report on the Deh Cho Bridge Project. In general, the findings are not surprising. This massive construction project was forced ahead by this government a number of times, in spite of warning signs which should have slowed or paused the project. Signs such as a financial analysis in 2007, which determined that a conventional approach to the project, instead of a P3, would provide significant savings for the project. Such as, in February 2008 at the time of financial close, the government had not approved the bridge design.
In order to proceed with the project, the need to have design approval by the GNWT was waived. In September of 2007, and again in February 2008, regulations under the Financial Administration Act were amended or waived so the project could proceed. Early in 2009 an independent review of the project management practices showed deficiencies at the construction site. The independent report to the Department of Transport and the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation proposed actions, but not all of the actions were implemented.
At any of these points, Mr. Speaker, and at many others over the last five or more years, the government should have paused and taken the time to thoroughly evaluate whether or not the project should move ahead. It should have been an opportunity for sober second thought, for honest evaluation of the project to that point, for careful consideration of the potential pitfalls if the project went ahead. Instead, decisions were made to push forward; decisions, which in the long run, had highly negative impacts.
This project started with the intention that it would be a P3, a public-private partnership project, and it was to have a focus on community economic development. In a P3 project, risks are supposed to be shared by the partners, but in this case the Auditor General determined that the GNWT assumed all the risk, and as stated in the report, the project morphed into a publicly funded project, more costly than it should have been, with significant risks to the GNWT and little or no economic benefit to the local community.
The Auditor General found that the project risks were not adequately managed, but that does not mean the project is at risk, Mr. Speaker. I certainly do not believe that it is. Risks related to quality control are well looked after at this point and I must congratulate the Department of Transportation for their hard work to manage that risk in both the current construction phase and for going back to ensure quality in phase 1.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
---Unanimous consent granted
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Auditor General’s Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Members’ Statements
Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
I congratulate the department for their hard work to manage the risk in both the current construction phase and for going back to ensure quality in phase 1, but the weaknesses in the management of risk in the other three areas is cause for concern. That concern and that finding and many other findings, Mr. Speaker, deserve comments, but I have no time. You’ve allotted me an extra bit already, thank you very much, and I will have questions for the Premier at the appropriate time. Thank you.
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Auditor General’s Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .
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Need For Repairs To Highway No. 6
Members’ Statements
Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I will be talking about Deninu K’ue in Fort Resolution. I’d like to thank the Minister of Transportation and his department for the work done on Highway No. 6 to date. It’s a very good job. The job is not finished, however, Mr. Speaker. Highway No. 6 is 90 kilometres long and at this time there’s still about 40 kilometres that are gravel. Mr. Speaker, the department has done a very good job in addressing the worst areas first, but Highway No. 6 needs to be brought to a chipseal stage from the beginning to end.
Mr. Speaker, the majority of that 40 kilometres that’s still gravel is in pretty good condition. However, about 15 kilometres of that portion is very soft and dangerous if not rebuilt.
Twenty-four kilometres of Highway No. 6 was chipsealed over 30 years ago because of the existence of Pine Point. Even though Pine Point only existed from 1961 to 1987, the citizens enjoyed a paved highway for the majority of the town’s existence. Fort Resolution has existed before vehicles did and it will be 2011 before a portion of Highway No. 6 leading into that community is chipsealed.
The community wants all of Highway No. 6 to be chipsealed and this government must put some more infrastructure dollars into chipsealing this highway from beginning to end. A chipsealed highway into Fort Resolution will let the community know that the GNWT is working on equalizing services between smaller and larger communities.
I have spoken to members of Fort Resolution and they are looking forward to chipsealing their community and gaining the economies of scale when chipsealing from Little Buffalo River to Fort Resolution occurs this coming summer.
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Need For Repairs To Highway No. 6
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .
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Passing Of Elder In Colville Lake
Members’ Statements
Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Throughout our lives in whatever jobs that we do and how we interact with people as a Member or a private citizen or businessperson, we run into a lot of good people in the Northwest Territories. I was very surprised to hear of an elder in Colville Lake who went missing. I thought back in January when I saw him and spoke to him and he talked about his life on the land. He actually gave me some fish and some meat and he talked about living out on the land and being out there in Colville Lake.
I was saddened to hear, when I phoned Colville Lake yesterday, that they still hadn’t found this elder and that the people were coming together and helping out with the search and being there for the family. Later on this morning I heard that they located Mr. Alexis Blancho, who was an elder and very independent man. I was saddened to hear of the passing of him.
I want to say that these elders that go on to the next world, when we go visit them and they talk to us, they usually give us very good advice; really good advice. Sometimes it takes a while to figure out what the advice is about. Mr. Blancho said that we should be working together on issues. Talk about issues that are really hard in front of us. We need to work together and how to survive on the land and how to survive in the community. This guy, when I went to him, had hopes for his grandchildren, his children, and he knew the different lifestyles. He also knew the importance of working together and doing what we had to do.
I want to thank people from around the Sahtu and communities for giving support to Colville Lake at this time. I know they are really heavy hearted. They said when the phone calls come in, it lifts their spirits up. I want to thank people who made phone calls to Colville Lake and thank a lot of people for helping out.
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Passing Of Elder In Colville Lake
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Cost Of Internet Service In The NWT
Members’ Statements
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was recently approached by a constituent who had serious concerns about the cost of Internet services in the Northwest Territories. Internet usage, transferring data, is estimated to cost about 3 to 5 cents per gigabyte in the provinces down south. Up north, once you go over your bandwidth cap, NorthwesTel, our main Internet service provider, charges Northerners at least $10 a
gigabyte compared to only $2 to $5 per gigabyte down south.
In a recent agreement with wholesalers down south, Bell Canada sells 40 gigabytes of data for $4.25 and still makes a profit. That demonstrates that even in the South the price of Internet usage is very inflated.
True, Internet service may cost more in the North and it’s fair that those who use more should pay more, but at $10 per gigabyte it appears that NorthwesTel is making a 4,000 percent increase over their costs. According to its website, NorthwesTel set its limits “to ensure network reliability and make sure that all high-speed Internet users enjoy a fun, fast and reliable Internet experience.” But does that justify a $10 surcharge for every gigabyte over the limit?
Research estimates that monthly Internet traffic in North America has grown by as much as 50 percent in the last 10 years and that Internet traffic will quadruple between 2009 and 2014. The average Canadian downloads twice as much data as they did two years ago, but their Internet use is offset by increasingly powerful and efficient machines. The Internet continues to offer more and more to users. It is a communication lifeline in our small communities.
There is evidence that our federal regulator, the CRTC, is failing to deliver competitive Internet services in Canada and this problem is only magnified in the North. As the GNWT negotiates a new digital service contract, it should take into account the true cost of service. As private users we should do all we can to seek greater accountability in this area and, as one technology watchdog, the Globe and Mail, put it, make sure that the rates we pay are based on reality.
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Cost Of Internet Service In The NWT
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .
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Auditor General’s Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Members’ Statements
David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to speak today about the Auditor General’s report on the Deh Cho Bridge Project. I want to start by saying that I appreciate the time and effort that Ms. Sheila Fraser and her staff have provided on this audit.
The Auditor General’s report confirms clearly and concisely that the concerns I have repeatedly expressed the past seven years on the decision to proceed with the project and its subsequent management are legitimate and real. What becomes abundantly clear is this project, as it was sold to Members and the public as a P3 project, was not a P3 project and it was rushed into during
the dying days of the last government. Regulations were amended on Thursday, September 27
casting aside the requirement to give Members 14 days’ notice. Then on September 28
, on a Friday
afternoon, three days before the territorial election, which is clear evidence that the last government knew full well what it was doing. All in an effort, it would seem, to leave that lasting legacy. The disregard for due process and risk management prior to the signing of the concession agreement is truly disgusting.
Throughout my seven and a half years here I have questioned this project at every turn in an attempt to protect the taxpayers in our Territory. This project was questionable right from the very beginning. What is most important to me is accountability and responsibility for decisions regarding this project. Now that the project is clearly in the hands of this government, I will continue to ask questions about the management and the risks associated with the project.
I’m very concerned about this project because if we see significant delays in construction, this will undoubtedly lead to further costs and, quite frankly, we cannot afford much more than we have already paid for this project.
The government has always hid behind the facade that was the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation and it does not surprise me that they continue to be evasive when it comes to answering questions about the contract for $92 million with Ruskin. The Auditor General herself could not get a final figure for the amount spent to date because the external audit of the corporation’s financial statements was not finalized.
I’ve previously referred to this project as a boondoggle and I may have been too generous.
I’ll have questions for the Minister of Transportation at the appropriate time.
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Auditor General’s Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .
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Auditor General’s Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Members’ Statements
Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Translation] I will also be talking about the Deh Cho Bridge and in reference to the...and it seems that it’s costing a lot of money and it doesn’t seem like they’re working it as well as they could be. [Translation ends]
...Deh Cho Bridge Project and ask questions every time I go home. Many were never convinced that it would be on time and on budget for the original $165 million. There did not seem to be a good plan in place. The recent Auditor General’s report and comments in the media does say that she, too, is not convinced herself that the new cost of $182
million will be enough. The Auditor General also pointed out the risks, mostly financial, were never properly assessed or used as a decision point to re-evaluate the project as they move forward and to minimize the costs.
In general, my constituents are supportive of the bridge because one day it is our dream that we will have one across the Liard. My colleague Mr. Ramsay has always pointed out the inconsistencies in the project and raised accountability issues from day one about the impacts on our future budgets. The Auditor General’s report did point out that this was not a real P3 and that there were many risks that occurred over the project that led us to taking over the project.
Increased costs do lead to increased government expenditures, therefore, affecting how we use our budget in the Northwest Territories. I stand with my colleagues when we say we simply must learn from this, because we will have large public infrastructure projects and we want to have real P3 projects. I also note that we are in discussions in developing a P3 project and I look forward to fully discussing that and having input from this side of the House.
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Auditor General’s Report On The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .
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Major Telecommunications Outage In Mackenzie Delta And Nunakput Communities
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A storm hit the Beaufort-Delta and the Sahtu regions last week for five days, with winds over 100 kilometres an hour. At one point the James Creek, where the NorthwesTel tower was disrupted knocking out all telecommunications in that service, was clocked at over 160 kilometres an hour. This was one of the most fierce storms that we’ve had for some time, in which it knocked out the telecommunication systems and Internet systems, not being able to access the Internet and banking services. It completely shut off our communities by way of road closures, airport closures, and not even able to provide municipal services because of the ferocity of the weather.
We also realized that we had power outages and fluctuations of power and freeze-ups of municipal services and individuals’ homes. I think we also have to realize that from that, communities are shovelling themselves out of their homes, municipalities, and the Department of Transportation is getting the roads open and services are now getting back in operation. Also the Internet and telecommunications are up and running.
I think this is a real eye-opener for people not only in the Mackenzie Delta, Beaufort Sea and Sahtu, but the rest of the Northwest Territories.
Facing the reality of climate change and the weather patterns that we see in the world, we are not immune to what’s going on around us or even in what we’re seeing in major shifts in weather, wind storms are increasing, and as a government and Legislature and for the people of the Northwest Territories, realizing we have to adapt in some manner or some way, realizing there’s a cost associated with all these storms and the effect it will have on the fiscal climate in the Northwest Territories by way of adaptation to climate change and facing the reality that our world is changing.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .
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Incidents With Psychiatric Patients Leaving Stanton Territorial Hospital
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Glen Abernethy
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last couple of weeks a number of my colleagues have made statements in this House and asked questions of the Minister of Health and Social Services on mental health issues and Stanton Territorial Hospital; in particular, patients in the psychiatric unit on the third floor. The newspaper and the media over the last couple of weeks have also identified a situation where a patient was able to come and go when they were supposed to be under the care of the psychiatric unit.
If we go back even a little bit further, in November, a young resident of the Northwest Territories who was in the psychiatric unit and released on a temporary pass, left her home and has never been seen again. If we go back in time further and further, there are many, many incidents and situations of people who have been in the psychiatric unit who have left either on a day pass or on their own, with conditions to come back, who have never been seen again.
These are troubling. It goes to what the policies and procedures are within Stanton and what allows a release or what kind of supervised release people should be under. We need to make sure that our hospital is a safe place and that people who need care and treatment, even when they’re being released on a temporary basis, have some protocols in place to ensure that we can track those individuals and make sure that they’re healthy once they’re out.
Later today I’ll be asking the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services what types of review have been done on the system to ensure that people with mental health issues who are being released on a temporary basis are monitored and that we have certainty that they are being released
in a safe manner so that they do come back safe and sound rather than disappear forever. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .
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Myths And Facts About Carbon Taxation
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The myths and facts of carbon taxation need some discussion. A recent roundtable on a carbon tax in the NWT sponsored by the partnership of Ecology North, Sustainable Prosperity and the GNWT and involving diverse representatives from across the Territory has contributed to that discussion.
First, why a tax? Well, first, climate change through carbon emissions is destroying our planet, as we heard from my colleague, especially the North, leading to high costs from cultural loss to loss of building foundations.
Second, we are at the mercy of rising and volatile oil prices which drain dollars from our economy and increase uncertainty. Traditional life, the prosperity and safety of our children, our hopes for economic stability all are at risk until we reduce our carbon emissions.
Other jurisdictions have taken action by putting a tax on carbon emissions. This government has consulted on a carbon tax option, with some questions and positive feedback. Let’s examine the costs and benefits, the facts and myths.
Myth: Carbon taxes hurt economies. Not true. Three provinces and many European countries have introduced carbon taxes with no negative effect on their economies. In fact, stable energy prices and deriving renewable energy locally has boosted some economies.
Myth: Carbon taxes are felt most by individual consumers, especially low-income earners. Not true. A smart carbon tax is typically offset by reducing rates of income and corporate tax. Taxes can also be carefully constructed to protect people who don’t enjoy a tax savings in wages. We know how to protect our low-income residents in remote communities.
Myth: A carbon tax will drive away industry. Not true. By cutting the corporate tax rate to offset the new tax, there’s a zero cost change to business. The carbon tax is an efficient tool for creating business incentive to cut costs by investing in energy efficiency and promoting energy diversification.
The biggest myth is that we can do nothing. Our main fuel, oil, is constantly jumping in price. Delay in taking action on climate change also means rising costs of climate change impacts later when
we can least afford it. For the NWT to lead will set an example that will be noted by the world and influence concerted action.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
---Unanimous consent granted
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Mr. Speaker, change is difficult, but a smart carbon tax will create the economic incentive to take action. Places that have acted have benefited. Like shopping bag fees, the hoopla has disappeared shortly after these changes have been implemented. Let’s get it done. Mahsi.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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Establishment Of A Territorial Hotel Tax
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to speak to the matter of a hotel tax again, as I did a few days ago in my Member’s statement.
The concept of implementing a territorial hotel tax was first proposed back in 2000 and has been raised in many forms ever since. Mr. Speaker, even in October of last year it was once again raised and supported in the discussions hosted by the Finance Minister ‘s revenue consultation. In early 2010 even the NWT Association of Communities passed a resolution asking the GNWT to grant municipal authority over the hotel tax issue. As many will recall, even a motion was supported by NWT Tourism on this particular matter.
The vision being proposed is quite simple, Mr. Speaker: one, the hotel tax revenue earned in a municipality would be used for local tourism marketing and development; and two, collection of the tax would not reduce GNWT’s contributions to tourism but, rather, enhance the work that’s already being done.
Although I prefer the drafting of this particular authority be drawn up the Department of Finance, however, I know very clearly that a small amendment could be made to the municipality legislation to allow them to do so. Such an amendment would empower municipal governments, if they so chose, to implement a progressive tax opportunity to enhance their tourism activities.
As stated the other day, a hotel tax is a very common thing across Canada and if a tax was implemented in the Northwest Territories at 1 percent, last year it would have garnered over $200,000 of new money, Mr. Speaker.
Municipalities in partnership with NWT Tourism know best how to attract tourists to their communities. Mr. Speaker, this type of levy would
enhance that activity to let them do so. Many of our municipal governments have proven themselves time after time that they have the ability and certainly the know-how of how to manage their own affairs better than anyone else. Accordingly, this government should find ways to work to empower these communities in a manner that allows them to find new revenue sources rather than hold them back.
Mr. Speaker, clearly, providing legislation to allow municipalities to collect a hotel tax is a good thing, so, Mr. Speaker, let’s give them the choice. I urge the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs to put forward a progressive opportunity to allow legislation to be amended that would allow them to have the authority to make a hotel tax if a municipality so chose to. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize two doctors in the gallery. One is our very own CPHO, public health officer, Dr. Kami Kandola, and the other is Dr. Lorne Clearsky, who is visiting us for three days with the possibility of working up here. I’m not sure if he’s decided, but as the Minister of Health I’m just saying that this is a very exciting environment in which to practice medicine. It can be challenging but very rewarding, and when the Deh Cho Bridge is built, it’s going to beautiful, and we might even throw in free Internet. Mr.
Speaker, if I could ask my colleagues in welcoming Dr. Clearsky, who in three days really impressed our colleagues here, and we are very excited that he’s here. Thank you.
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize the well-known Dick Abernethy, a Member of the Weledeh riding and the father of my colleague Mr. Abernethy . I’d also like to recognize Weledeh constituent Ryan McCord, a well-known musician and known also for his fearless sky walking at great heights. Also, I’d like to recognize Della Green, the victims services coordinator. Mahsi.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize in the visitor’s gallery today my new friends Peter and Tony from Haliburton,
Ontario. They’re on a very long road trip. They have had careers in police work and in forestry and they’re here visiting us today. We welcome them to the Assembly. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Speaker, I’d like to welcome Stephanie Heidl to the gallery, formerly of Inuvik, I think now taking a social services course here in Yellowknife, I believe. Welcome.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. I’d like to recognize Wendy Morgan in the gallery, a former defector of Hay River now living in Yellowknife.
If we’ve missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the Chamber. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings.
Item 7, acknowledgements. Item 8, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .
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Question 566-16(5): Emergency Measures Plans For Natural Disasters
Oral Questions
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs in regard to the emergency measures plans we have in place in light of the storm that hit the Beaufort-Delta and Sahtu last week. I think it should be a real eye-opener for ourselves and municipalities and the people that we serve that we are going to see some severe challenges.
I’d just like to ask the Minister, has your department, working through the local governments and the different affected departments, Transportation and also Public Works and Services, and more importantly, NorthwesTel in regard to the effect that this storm has had on not only the communities but the whole service provider, considered forming some sort of a working group to do an assessment of that storm, the effects that it has and what can we do as governments and municipal governments and our service providers face these challenges realizing that this storm is probably something that we will see more of going forward? Is the department in communication with those other groups? Thank you.
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Question 566-16(5): Emergency Measures Plans For Natural Disasters
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .
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Question 566-16(5): Emergency Measures Plans For Natural Disasters
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I blame that lapse of concentration on age. We will continue to monitor and work with the local municipal governments to deal with some of
the affects of the storm that has been had on their communities. Obviously, now that this is over, they can go over the situation and see where improvements can be made. But I can commit to the Member that we will see what we can do as a department to do our part and work with the communities to ensure that they are well prepared in the future. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Mr. Speaker, I for one feel that it is critically important that we do formulate some sort of a working relationship with all of the parties that were affected by the storm. Like I say, the winds were clocked at 167 kilometres at James Creek. That was where they knocked out the NorthwesTel communication system which totally knocked out communications in the Beaufort Sea/Mackenzie Delta and even the Sahtu. Also, by road closures and everything else, the cost it is going to take to reopen all of these roads are costs that we weren’t really aware of.
I would just like to ask if the Minister can formulate some sort of a working group between those different government agencies and possibly look at consideration of adapting these types of situations to our emergency measures plans.
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Speaker, we have had our share of storms in the past. This seems to be a more common occurrence. It is one that I think communities will have to take steps in addressing. I have always been impressed with the resilience of a lot of communities that are able to dig their way out of a storm immediately after it happens. I will commit to the Member that I will have a discussion with senior management and we will see what we can do about forming a group to take stock of the situation that happened and how we can best be prepared for it in the future. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Mr. Speaker, also in light of the loss of life in the storm that affected a resident who was lost in Colville Lake. I think also a lot of our residents were stuck or trapped in other locations, either going to Inuvik or basically getting in and out of our communities, where it came so fast people just weren’t able to get back home and they were stranded in a lot of different communities. More importantly, even the airline companies couldn’t get in and out of our communities and the same thing because of the road closures.
As part of their review, could they consider the whole response in regards to responding to communities, making them aware that these storms are coming, and work to ensure that we are able to respond to these various storms well ahead of time so that the warnings are out there and people are aware that we are going to be hit by a severe storm? Thank you.
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Speaker, I will commit to the Member that we will look at all the different situations. In a lot of the smaller
communities, I think we rely a lot on the elders that are in there, because they seem to know before anybody else that a storm is coming and they warn folks. I can assure the Member that a warning system could be one of the issues that is looked at by this working group. Thank you.
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Question 566-16(5): Emergency Measures Plans For Natural Disasters
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Krutko .
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This storm will also probably put us straight on financial resources of municipalities, government departments and whatnot. I would like to ask the Minister if he could possibly come back with a cost assessment of what this storm has cost by way of costs to basically not only react to the storm but also the cost to dig ourselves out. The Department of Highways I know were having to put Cats and everything on the roads because graders just couldn’t cut it. I would like to know if the Minister can look at the financial implications of the storm. Thank you.
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Speaker, we will be able to have a fairly good idea of what it may have cost in the communities themselves and municipal governments to do a lot of the work that happened as a result of the storm. Clearing the snow and that are part of their daily activities that they would take care of after any type of snowfall, but I will do what I can to try and get the numbers as to what it may have cost the municipal governments after this particular storm and relay them on to the Member. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .
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Question 567-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will ask questions to the Minister of Transportation regarding the Deh Cho Bridge on decisions made by this current government under their watch today.
Mr. Speaker, in reading the Auditor General’s report, it would appear that an external audit of the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation’s financial statements had not been done while the Auditor General was looking at this project. That means that trying to put a figure on the cost to date on that project just leaves a lot to be questioned. Does the Minister have a cost to date on the Deh Cho Bridge Project? Thank you.
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Question 567-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Michael McLeod .
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Question 567-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
Oral Questions
Deh Cho
Michael McLeod
Minister of Transportation
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we have the figures. The Auditor General reviews and audits the bridge project on an
annual basis. They have been since the project started. They also have the information. Thank you.
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Question 567-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Mr. Speaker, that would be true for the Department of Transportation’s role in the Deh Cho Bridge Project, but I am talking about the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation and their financial records. Has an external audit of the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation’s financial records been audited? If so, can we see it? Thank you.
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Question 567-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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Deh Cho
Michael McLeod
Minister of Transportation
Mr. Speaker, I believe the audit is a comprehensive audit that includes the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation’s financial statements. I think that is all available for this year very shortly. I understand an audit has been completed just in the recent weeks. I can certainly try to get my hands on it for the Member. Thank you.
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Question 567-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Mr. Speaker, I also wanted to ask a question today about concerns over the design. Also in the Auditor General’s report it talks about concerns over the design being brought forward by the Department of Transportation and somebody somewhere overriding a recommendation of the department to continue to waive the requirement for the design being done and to proceed with construction. It is paragraph 27, if the Minister wants to have a look at that. I would like to ask how that could happen. Thank you.
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Question 567-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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Deh Cho
Michael McLeod
Minister of Transportation
Mr. Speaker, we do have a design sign-off on all components of the bridge project. As I indicated yesterday, we have also had our own independent design engineers, our experts, review the design. They all approve it. What the Auditor General is looking for is one signature to approve all components. Right now we have a designer that approved the piers and we have a designer that approved the superstructure. Although the superstructure is 85 percent of the overall design, her desire is to have us have one designer approve all the different components and that would bring comfort. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
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Question 567-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you. My job is to get the bridge built, to steer it to a final product. It’s very difficult if I have to try to steer it while looking in the rear-view mirror all the time. Mr.
Speaker, I’d have to respond to the Member by stating that the design and the amendment to the concession agreement was made on the advice of the department, it was signed off by the Minister of the day with authorization from Cabinet of the day. Thank you.
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Question 567-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today in my Member’s statement I talked about the completion of Highway No. 6. I’d like to ask the Minister of DOT some questions on that. Mr. Speaker, could the Minister tell me what the plan is for addressing the chipseal stage of Highway No. 6 from kilometre 67 to kilometre 90? Thank you.
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. Michael McLeod .
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I commend the Member for raising the issue on a consistent basis to bring attention to the need for improvement to our infrastructure, and in particular Highway No. 6. We have been working very hard with the Member and the Member’s community to move the project forward. We’ve done a lot of work on Highway No. 6. It needed a lot of work to ensure that the preservation of the road was intact.
We have been working and focusing on the area from Buffalo River to the community of Fort Resolution. We had identified a little over $7 million to do the work on that
section of road. We’ve done a lot of work in terms of design. We have done a lot of work focusing on an issue that has challenges and that’s the drainage conditions. I think we’ve resolved a number of these issues. We have, for this coming year, approved for chipsealing, a budget. I don’t have the particulars as to the amount and the actual areas. I could commit to the Member to find that and provide it to him, but I can assure him there will be some chipsealing that will be done on Highway No. 6 this coming season. Thank you.
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Thank you. Could the Minister tell me what the plan is for the rest of the highway, the highway that goes from -- they’re planning on chipsealing to Res, not that portion -- but the portion that goes from Little Buffalo River towards Pine Point? Thank you.
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you. As we come to the end of the season and the commitment this coming year, we need to focus on the additional stretch of road on Highway No. 6. Highway No. 6 is 90 kilometres long. It’s going to take further investment and we recognize it’s going
to be difficult to commit to putting all the dollars in the budget over a short period of time. So we’ve decided that we have to put this in the needs for the upcoming budget or the new budget, the new government, and we have identified that it’s going to need roughly $15 million over the next five years to conclude the work on this road. So that’s something that we’ll be including in the needs. Thank you.
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Thank you. Can the Minister place that number into the infrastructure plan for the department, $15 million? Thank you.
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you. I can assure the Member that the $15 million requirement is in the needs assessment, the five-year needs assessment. It will be the decision of the next government to ensure that these dollars are indentified and invested into that stretch of road. I can’t commit that that’s going to happen, but as I pointed out to the Member, that’s what it’s going to need and we are aware of that and that’s what we’ve put in our transition documents. Thank you.
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the chipsealing project this summer, can the Minister direct his staff to work with MACA and the hamlet, try to gain some economies of scale, because the community is planning on doing chipsealing in the community as well this summer. I’m just wondering if this Minister could work with the hamlet and Minister of MACA to complete the chipsealing of the community while they’re chipsealing from Buffalo River. Thank you.
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Certainly, Mr. Speaker, it’s our practice to work with communities and in some cases we’ve been able to combine efforts and lower the cost of chipsealing. In some cases we’ve actually stepped in and provided some of the technical expertise that the community was lacking. We’d certainly want to sit down well in advance of this project moving forward, to have that discussion and see if there’s any way that the community can take advantage of the work that’s being done in the area. Thank you.
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Question 568-16(5): Completion Of Highway No. 6
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .
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Question 569-16(5): Carbon Taxation
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Finance . The Minister of Finance was complimented at last week’s public meeting on carbon taxation for being the Minister promoting discussion on this opportunity. Three MLAs and three Ministers attended the roundtable to get the facts and they are to be congratulated too. Participation from
Finance and Environment and Natural Resources officials added to the discussion. With the Minister’s leadership, this discussion is well underway. Can the Minister say what the next steps will be in pursuing this work? Mahsi.
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Question 569-16(5): Carbon Taxation
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Question 569-16(5): Carbon Taxation
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Finance
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There’s a number of fronts on this particular initiative where we’re looking at the Greenhouse Gas Strategy, which is underway. It will be done sometime this spring and summer and that will encompass the broad discussion of how do we control our emissions and our carbon footprint and what are the things we have to do in terms of standards and other options in terms of moving forward to be as responsible as possible. We’ve also committed through the Finance side to do work on the carbon tax.
We’ve assisted with this workshop that the Member was at last week and that myself and Minister Bob McLeod attended. That work is going to help inform the work that’s being pulled together and all that will be part of the transition document going forward for the 17
Assembly’s consideration as soon as they take office next fall. Thank you.
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Question 569-16(5): Carbon Taxation
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thanks for those comments from the Minister. I appreciate all the work that is being done there and is underway. I’d like to confirm that the Minister’s portfolios are gathering the necessary data we’ll need, recognizing that the NWT is likely a bit different than the rest of the jurisdictions where this has been applied. So we’ll have to customize such a tool to make sure it benefits us to the greatest extent.
So is the Minister ensuring that all the data that will be needed to make good decisions is being collected? Mahsi.
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Question 569-16(5): Carbon Taxation
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Finance
Thank you. We appreciate the Member’s point and we are of the same mind, that whatever we do has to be tailored and reflect the realities of the Northwest Territories as an individual and unique jurisdiction. We are doing the work in both areas, both on the Finance side and Environment and Natural Resource side, to pull together the best information that’s available so that we can set all the pieces in place for the incoming Assembly to make an informed decision, hopefully as quickly as possible. Thank you.
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Question 569-16(5): Carbon Taxation
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .
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Question 570-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Premier today and I want to speak to some of the questions that have arisen from the Auditor General’s report.
In February of 2008, when the project was at financial close and things were in a bit of a critical situation, I believe that the Department of Transport expressed concern that the bridge design was not complete, and at that point, according to what the Minister of Transportation said earlier, there was a decision by Cabinet to go ahead with the project without design approval. I’d like to know on what basis, if the Premier can advise on what basis Cabinet made that decision to go ahead with the construction of the bridge. Thank you.
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Question 570-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .
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Question 570-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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Inuvik Boot Lake
Floyd Roland
Premier
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let’s be clear on this: Cabinet did not overrule Transportation. The fact is this project was under the Department of Transportation and it is the initiative of the department and Minister to bring forward papers for discussions on that process.
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Question 570-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
I didn’t hear an answer to the question there. If a department brings forward a proposal, there must have been some basis on which a decision is made to go on one side or the other. I didn’t hear an answer as to what basis that decision was made on.
I’d like to know also from the Premier , when this decision was being considered, was there an evaluation of the risk to the project, for instance, cost overruns, if the project went ahead to construction without approval of bridge design?
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Question 570-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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Inuvik Boot Lake
Floyd Roland
Premier
The process of any construction project coming forward, number one, the specific department would have to do a number of analyses in coming forward with a request for a decision. In this case, the Department of Transportation looked at many of those options and came forward with their paper. Decisions were made based on that.
Now, as well, I must say, as we’re talking about a decision made back in February at the request of Members of this Assembly to myself, I had authorized the Department of Executive to work with the departments involved, that was Transportation, Justice and Finance at the time, to do a review. We submitted that paper to the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure on March 3, 2008, going over a number of the concerns that were raised by Members at that time.
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
I didn’t really hear an answer to my question about what kind of evaluation was done at the time that the decision was made so I guess I’m not going to get one.
I’d like to ask the Premier , in February of 2008 as well we’ve understood from the Auditor General’s report that regulations to the Financial Administration Act were amended and at that time the requirement for 14 days’ advance notice to Members was also waived. I’d like to know from the Premier why Members were not advised of the waiving or the amendment to the regulations even if it had to be after the fact.
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Inuvik Boot Lake
Floyd Roland
Premier
There was no waiving of notice of Members. It is a natural part of the decision to provide an exemption to indemnification where the process that was followed is a standard practice and has been in place since 1999. This decision to do that as a normal part of business -- and governments across the land use this as a tool -- was to address the need to indemnify, in the initial case, the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation and then follow up with the lenders. We could read out exactly what that indemnification meant.
Again, in the paper, in the response that I gave to committee we did reflect on the need to adjust the current processes going forward and reference the work that was ongoing, for example, in the Financial Administration Act. That work is still ongoing that would look towards those issues.
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Question 570-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .
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Question 570-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Premier for that response. I guess maybe if that information went to the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure I did not see it as I’m not on that committee. I’d like to ask the Premier if he would commit to providing the information that went to Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure relative to the amendment of these regulations. If he could commit to provide that to me and Members on this side of the House.
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Question 570-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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Inuvik Boot Lake
Floyd Roland
Premier
Again, the notifications particular to what the Member just stated about the amendment to indemnifications, the list is attached to the regulations. The Minister of Finance can provide a list of those that are included in the regulations. Again, this process does not, it is a normal part of business and it foregoes the 14-day process that we’ve gone through. That was discussed with Members. In fact, again, the letter I wrote to the chair of Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure and the attachment highlighted the need for looking at a modernization of the Financial Administration Act and the area of loan guarantees and indemnities.
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Question 570-16(5): Auditor General’s Report On The Special Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .
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Question 571-16(5): Status Of Draft P3 Policy
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I spoke about the P3 policy that government is working with the Priorities and Planning committee to develop. I’d like to ask the Minister of Finance , we had seen it I think it was last fall and we hadn’t had any more discussion on it. I’d just like to ask the Minister where the P3 policy is right now.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Finance
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’re still working on the document we’ve had. As the Member indicated, we visited committee and we presented the work that we’ve done. We presented the work that was coming out of Canada in terms of their thresholds and how they approached the issue.
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Question 571-16(5): Status Of Draft P3 Policy
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
As I recall, it was quite an extensive document and given the context of the Auditor General’s report on the Deh Cho Bridge Project, when establishing P3s that’s something that should be real and tangible. Does that document speak to that?
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Finance
The Member has touched on a key point in terms of the risk and the tangible benefits. We do have an extensive list of feedback from the committee that we received in December and that work is still being reviewed in looking at how we can incorporate it into the policy going forward.
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Question 571-16(5): Status Of Draft P3 Policy
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
That’s something certainly this side of the House would like to support and engage once we come down to a good policy that will protect us in the future and give us positive benefits not only for ourselves but for all Northerners. I’d like to ask the Minister what the next stage is. I think our side of the House is waiting for government’s response on what the next steps are in developing our P3 policy.
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Question 571-16(5): Status Of Draft P3 Policy
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Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Finance
In the next number of weeks we will conclude looking at what feedback we got from committee and we will look at how we can adjust the policy which we will then send back to committee for their review.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Working with the P3 policy I think the next step is to sit down with committee. I’d just like to ask the Minister, I don’t know how much detail is in there, but what would be the size of the projects that are actually listed in there by financial value? What is the minimum for a P3 project?
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Thebacha
Michael Miltenberger
Minister of Finance
That’s going to be part of the challenge. As we look at, for example, the federal approach to P3s, they have a fairly high threshold of $50 million. We’ve heard the concerns from the committee that in the North that’s going to put most projects out of reach. That’s one of the areas where we have to come to a final agreement on.
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Question 571-16(5): Status Of Draft P3 Policy
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .
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Question 572-16(5): Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
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Glen Abernethy
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services and follow up on my Member’s statement earlier today where I talked about mental health issues and Stanton.
I’m wondering if the Minister could tell me how often and what criteria is used for reviewing internal policies to ensure safety and security of staff, patients and public within Stanton.
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Question 572-16(5): Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .
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Question 572-16(5): Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That’s a pretty broad question. Being a facility that it is and the services it provides, there are any number of processes in place to review incidents and happenings at the hospital. If the Member wants to be more specific, I can try to address those.
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Question 572-16(5): Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
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Glen Abernethy
Great Slave
I’ll try to be a little bit more specific. I’m talking primarily about the psychiatric unit. In November last year a young lady was released on a weekend pass and she disappeared over the weekend and nobody has seen her since. In the last couple of weeks we’ve heard a number of reports of patients from the psychiatric unit coming and going almost as they please.
I’m wondering what it takes for us to get in there and review the policies, protocols and procedures of that unit so that we can ensure that when people do leave, that we know they’re coming back, or that there’s some requirement for them to be supervised while they’re released so that we don’t get these situations where people walk out of their homes on a November day and don’t come back, as well as, you know, our patients who are going down for a cigarette or something, we have confidence that our procedures allow or ensure that they come back safe. What does it take?
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
I acknowledge that we have had some incidents at the hospital in that specific unit. In general, every pass, the patients in the
psychiatric unit are allowed to have temporary passes depending on their conditions and situations. It’s a rare situation where patients are held there without having any passes. There are medical assessments and lots of work done to make sure that one can and is allowed to have a temporary pass, whether it is to go out for a cigarette or sometimes they are allowed to go to visit families. The primary objective for that service is to eventually be able to integrate these patients back into the community. It’s on a case-by-case basis but the staff and providers do constant assessment of the patients on leave.
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Question 572-16(5): Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
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Glen Abernethy
Great Slave
Thanks to the Minister for that response. I accept the need and encourage the use of temporary passes. My concern is more along the lines that over the years -- and we can go way back to the beginning of Stanton -- we’ve had situations where people have gone who were supposed to come back and were never able to come back. I’m curious; at what point do we do a bit of an internal review on those passes and whether or not we have to have situations where families have to be a supervisor or guardian of a person who is released? We want to help these people. I know the Minister wants to help these people.
I’m more concerned about the processes right now to make sure that these unfortunate situations don’t happen.
We need to learn from the unfortunate situations that have occurred and fix our policies and procedures so that they work in the best interest. I’m still curious; will she commit to doing a review, of having Stanton doing a review of the policies and procedures in that unit within Stanton to make sure that we have a greater sense of security and greater sense of confidence that our patients and public and our staff will be safe?
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Question 572-16(5): Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
We are talking about I think two things here. On both counts we are doing a review. One, the Member is aware of the mental health and addictions review that we are undertaking as an entire mental health programming at the hospital as well as in communities. We acknowledge that there is room for improvement in that area and we have hired a study team, consulting team who have been here and talked to the stakeholders. We’re looking forward to having recommendations on that to improve our Mental Health and Addictions Program as a whole.
With respect to the psychiatric unit, every incident where they’ve had situations that the Member describes, yes, we have done the review and they are working and put safeguards in place to prevent those incidents from happening again. It is acknowledged, though, that the patients do get to go on a pass without having an escort at all times. I mean, in many cases the passes work and the
patients benefit from that. It’s just that we have unfortunate situations where mishaps do happen.
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Question 572-16(5): Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .
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Question 572-16(5): Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
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Glen Abernethy
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister for that response. I’d be interested in seeing the recommendations that have come out of those reviews of the psychiatric unit to learn what lessons we have learned and what changes have been made to improve the services and protect our staff, patients and the public. Can the Minister share those recommended changes with the Members of this House so that we have some confidence that things are being done in that unit for the safety of our patients, staff and public? Thank you.
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Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Yes, I will do that.
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Question 572-16(5): Safety And Security Of Staff And Psychiatric Patients At Stanton Territorial Hospital
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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Question 573-16(5): Establishment Of Municipal Ability To Implement Hotel Tax
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I raised again the issue of a hotel tax. I feel very strongly that that could be one method our government could do to empower municipalities and give them a chance to raise new revenues to help encourage the tourism industry in good partnership with NWT Tourism. My question would be directly to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , because any modification for the municipal statutes, obviously, would be directed at him.
Does the Department of MACA have a position on the possible amendments to the municipal statutes that could allow municipalities to achieve this type of authority and if they so chose to implement a hotel tax they would be enabled to do so? Thank you.
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Question 573-16(5): Establishment Of Municipal Ability To Implement Hotel Tax
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .
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Question 573-16(5): Establishment Of Municipal Ability To Implement Hotel Tax
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Obviously, the NWTAC, as the Member had mentioned in his Member’s statement, had passed a motion asking for the municipalities to have the authority to levy hotel taxes. That being the case, we obviously have to listen to that and do our consultations and see what support is out there. This was something that was tried, I believe, in 2000, to levy a hotel tax, and a lot of the stakeholders that were opposed to it at that time are now speaking out in support of it. It’s one obviously we’d have to have a look at and see how we can go forward from there. Thank you.
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Question 573-16(5): Establishment Of Municipal Ability To Implement Hotel Tax
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Clearly, with that great answer you can tell that the Minister is obviously having a
very good birthday, because that was a very good answer.
Mr. Speaker, I’d like to continue in the same positive vein in the sense of the answer he provided. He is correct; back in 2000, actually it was groups like the Hotel Association that were completely against these types of things, as well as others, but just to name one in this particular case. Mr. Speaker, will the Minister be willing to commit to doing a review on this particular initiative that is being jointly proposed by individual municipalities, the NWT Association of Communities, and certainly is being supported by the hotel industry and NWT Tourism?
We’ve got a lot of partners that would like this particular initiative, certainly the authority. I should highlight, Mr. Speaker, that not everyone wants this and this is not something everyone would use, but it’s about empowering those municipalities who would like this. Would the Minister be willing to take that type of initiative on and do some work on it right away? Thank you.
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Speaker, this is one that does seem to be picking up steam and it’s one that we’d definitely have to have a look at. I will commit to the Member that we will take up the discussion. It is one where there is going to be some consultations that need to be done. All interested stakeholders that have something in this will have to be consulted and I’m not sure if during the life of this Assembly we would have time. It’s one issue that we could put in the transition document for the 17
Assembly to have a look at.
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Question 573-16(5): Establishment Of Municipal Ability To Implement Hotel Tax
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Mr. Speaker, with the research that I’ve done on this particular issue I’ve seen that the Manitoba government has empowered their municipalities to make these types of amendments. What I’m wondering is, first, I appreciate the commitment provided by the Minister thus far, but I’m wondering if he can take it a little further.
If I’d provide that example and perhaps maybe if other people from industry support by providing other examples, would the Minister empower his own officials to see if they could do some work on this in advance of the upcoming NWT Association of Communities meeting, which is in about three months from now? It would certainly be a good particular issue for them to evaluate among their peers of what work can be done and what work could be done and see what type of feelings and perhaps support around the room when they actually see the type of wording that could be considered. Thank you.
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Speaker, the department has already started some of the work in comparison to some of the other jurisdictions in the South and how they deal with the issue that we’re discussing today. I’m sure as they go into the NWTAC annual general meeting to be held in Tuktoyaktuk this year that they’ll have some
information, because obviously they’re going to get questions on it, and as they normally do, they go there very well prepared and I believe they will be on this one too. Thank you.
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Question 573-16(5): Establishment Of Municipal Ability To Implement Hotel Tax
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Your final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .
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Question 573-16(5): Establishment Of Municipal Ability To Implement Hotel Tax
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister seems to be quite well on top of this particular issue and it’s good to see. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister, finally, on a particular issue, be willing to commit to provide me a
summary of the work that’s been done to date? I have a number of interested constituents on this particular matter and I want to assure them that the work is being done, as well as I want to see what work is being done from my own point of view to help support the department if that’s th