Debates of Oct. 5th, 1994

This is page numbers 78 - 106 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was standing .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Return To Session

Meeting With Editor

Minister Absent From The House

Budget Address

Motion To Move Minister's Statement 11-12(6): To Committee Of The Whole

Inuvik's Bid To Host 1998 Arctic Winter Games

Outbreak Of Suicide Attempts In Coppermine

Collective Bargaining Negotiations With Unw

Absence Of Mr. Arvaluk

Iqaluit Municipal Election

London Times

Article Re Queen's Visit

Congratulating Organizers Of Queen's Visit

Member's Statement Re Appreciation Of Constituents

Member's Statement Re Sessional Workload

North Baffin Resident's Boat Trip To Greenland

Member's Statement Re Passing Of Charlie Charlo

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Consolidation Of H&ss In Nahendeh And Deh Cho Regions

Rash Of Suicide Attempts In Coppermine

Privatization Of NWT Power Corporation

Impact Of Consolidation Of H&ss On Sanikiluaq

Minister's Authorization Of Housing Advertisement

Reasons For Reassigning Ministerial Portfolios

Return To Written Question 1-12(6): Hiv/aids Related Expenditures For Fiscal Years 1993-94 And 1994-95

Committee Report 2-12(6): Report On Issues Referred By Caucus

Committee Report 3-12(6): Interim Report On The Review Of Bill 5, Mine Health And Safety Act

Committee Report 4-12(6): Report On Bill 6-12(6) - Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Tabled Document 23-12(6), "report Of The Electoral Districts Boundaries Commission Northwest Territories" To Committee Of The Whole

Appearance Of The Honourable Ron Irwin Minister Of Indian And Northern Development

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Committee Report 2-12(6): Report On Issues Referred By Caucus

To Adopt Recommendation 1

To Adopt Recommendation 2

To Adopt Recommendation 3

To Adopt Recommendation 4

To Adopt Recommendation 5

To Adopt Recommendation 6

To Adopt Recommendation 7

To Adopt Recommendation 8

To Adopt Recommendation 9

To Adopt Recommendation 10

To Adopt Recommendation 11

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Liquor Act

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 78

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

I want to welcome Members back for the reconvening of the Sixth Session. I trust that you've all had an enjoyable summer and were able to spend some valuable time with your families. I want to thank the Members for the amount of work you have done during the past several months on our standing committees which have met in communities all across the north.

I was honoured to welcome Queen Elizabeth and His Royal Highness Prince Philip to this chamber on August 21st. It was my understanding that their visit to Yellowknife, Rankin Inlet and Iqaluit was well received and much appreciated by northerners. Her Majesty has advised me that her visit to the territories, only the second time she has been here, was a thoroughly enjoyable experience.

Members, as you know, this is the final day of service for our Commissioner, Mr. Norris, who has served the people of the north faithfully for the past 5 years. I hope you will join me in wishing him, his wife Margaret and their family, all the very best in the coming years.

---Applause

At this time, I would like to recognize the acting Commissioner, Mrs. Helen Maksagak, in the Speaker's gallery.

---Applause

She is accompanied by her husband, Mr. Maksagak. Welcome to our Assembly. I hope Members will join me in expressing gratitude to a former staff member. After five years of service as our Clerk Assistant, Rhoda Perkison, has decided to return with her family to her original home in Baker Lake. We wish her well and thank her for her years of service.

---Applause

Members will note that they have a new Sergeant-at-Arms, Robert Atkinson. He has taken over for Martin Vickers, who we thank for the service he provided since we moved to our new building.

---Applause

I am pleased to advise Members that I, along with the honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , officially launched the Legislative Assembly's education program last month. As part of our responsibility to involve all sectors of society in our unique form of government, this education program will be taught in grades six, seven and eight in all schools of the Northwest Territories.

Members are aware that for the first time, this session is being aired live on northern television. I hope this will allow viewers yet another opportunity to see how their elected representatives carry out business on their behalf.

I want to conclude my remarks by paying tribute to the many noted elders who passed away during the past several months. Without naming any of them specifically, I am sure Members and others will appreciate the legacy of wisdom they have left behind.

There is still a great deal to accomplish as we move into the final year of the life of the 12th Assembly and I wish for all Members an enjoyable and productive Assembly. Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' Statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 11-12(6): Return To Session

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 78

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Members back to the Sixth Session of the Legislative Assembly. I know it was a busy summer for Cabinet and also for committees of this House. Madam Speaker, the $10.8 million federal/territorial infrastructure program was finalized and is being implemented. An $8 million investing in people initiative was signed with the Secretary of State to provide social assistance recipients with specialized counselling, career and employment development, life skills and education opportunities.

As well, a public review of the Liquor Act has been conducted and a legislative action paper is being prepared. In response to the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, the consolidation of the two departments of Health and Social Services is well under way and is reflected in the capital budget. The Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources is working towards finalizing a northern consensus on the energy and minerals accord.

In addition, an ambitious committee

schedule during the summer months has placed us in good position to consider the capital estimates for 1995-96 and the Standing Committee on Legislation was particularly helpful in its review of bills to be presented to this House.

Madam Speaker, while considerable progress has been made during the term of this Assembly, there are still many challenges to be met. We are at a crossroads and our ability to continue making progress will largely depend on maintaining our fiscal integrity and on the development of a common vision shared by the federal and territorial governments, aboriginal organizations and residents of the Northwest Territories. As you know, an enormous agenda for political and constitutional change involving a large number of groups with different objectives is being discussed and negotiated in the Northwest Territories.

The challenges relating to constitutional reform are difficult and require a climate of financial stability and common purpose.

As it heads into its final year of office, the government is particularly anxious to introduce some certainty into the complex issues relating to the financing of division, development of a new western constitution, the settlement of land claims and implementation and negotiation of aboriginal self-government. We are also concerned that various federal government statements regarding self-government and treaty land entitlement in the western NWT have meant different things to different people and are creating a wide range of expectations. We need a greater degree of clarity and certainty about these matters.

The need for Ottawa to explain its position on a number of matters within the context of today's fiscal reality was discussed during our last strategic planning workshop in Fort Smith. Since that time, I've had an opportunity to present our concerns in separate meetings with Prime Minister Chretien and Indian Affairs and Northern Development Minister , Mr. Irwin. As a result of these discussions, Mr.

Irwin has indicated that he would be willing to make a statement to the Legislative Assembly that would set out broad principles and provide clarification of federal policies as they relate to public and aboriginal government in the Northwest Territories, to devolution and the federal government's commitment to division.

At the appropriate time, the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs will be presenting a motion which seeks the necessary approval to have Mr. Irwin address the Assembly during the current session. Madam Speaker, it is important to seek clarification of federal positions, as we move towards development of a constitution for the western territory and the formation of Nunavut by 1999.

The need for a common vision and realistic expectations is extremely important, particularly because of federal program and budget reductions. Signals from Ottawa concerning Finance Minister Paul Martin's economic statement, scheduled for mid-October, leaves us to believe that there will be more cuts in federal spending and transfer payments, and that the Northwest Territories will not be able to escape that impact.

As you know, we have already lost nearly $550 million in federal money because of changes made by Ottawa, when it introduced our current five-year formula financing agreement. That number doesn't include over $45 million that was cut in the area of new social housing, the money owed to us under the health billings dispute and the potential of a 38 per cent reduction in the level of federal funding for French and aboriginal language services in the territories.

This will amount to a loss of over $10 million during the next three-year period, if we are not able to persuade Ottawa to restore its contribution to at least the 1993-94 levels. There will have to be significant cuts to existing language programs. Discussions are continuing on this matter and I intend to keep the Assembly and various language interest groups briefed on developments. The Honourable John Pollard will have more to say on the state of the federal/territorial fiscal situation when he presents an economic overview and the government's capital estimates on Friday.

In addition, the Honourable Richard Nerysoo will be providing the House with an analysis of the federal government's proposals of reforming national social programs. The Minister is currently developing our own program of change and will be consulting with his federal counterparts on the impact of the federal proposals on our social income reform initiatives.

In conclusion, it is appropriate at this time to recognize the work of Mr. Daniel Norris, who has served as Commissioner of the Northwest Territories since October of 1989. Mr. Norris considered himself honoured to have been chosen to serve in this capacity and was particularly proud to be the first Commissioner chosen from the aboriginal people of the north.

On behalf of the residents of the Northwest Territories, I want to take this opportunity to thank him for taking on this responsibility and to invite Members to join me in recognizing his years of dedicated effort and service.

---Applause

Madam Speaker, the appreciation of Members should also be extended to the committee Members and hundreds of volunteers in Yellowknife, Rankin and Iqaluit, who organized this summer's visit of the Queen and Prince Philip. Without their assistance, the royal visit would not have been the success it was. On this note, thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 11-12(6): Return To Session

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 79

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The Honourable Rebecca Mike .

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Minister's Statement 12-12(6): Meeting With Editor

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 79

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to take this opportunity to apologize for any embarrassment a recent editorial in Nunatsiaq News may have caused the government, my colleagues and Members of this Assembly.

I want to assure Members that my remarks during a dinner with news editor, Todd Phillips, and Iqaluit businessman, Jim Currie, were not intended as a threat, implied or otherwise, that I agree with the principles of free press and that it was wrong of me to suggest that I felt like withholding advertising from the newspaper.

It is regrettable that the full context of my comments and my offer of cooperation in helping the editor of the newspaper communicate with my office was not reported. Later today, I will be tabling a letter relating to this matter that was sent to the publisher of Nunatsiaq News by Mr. Currie. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 12-12(6): Meeting With Editor

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 80

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 13-12(6): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 80

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I wish to advise Members of the House that the Honourable John Todd will be absent from the House today to attend a meeting with the Council of Transportation Ministers, to discuss the national highways policy. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 13-12(6): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 80

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The Honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Minister's Statement 14-12(6): Budget Address

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 80

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker, good afternoon. Madam Speaker, I give notice that on Friday, October 7, 1994, I will deliver the capital budget address. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 14-12(6): Budget Address

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 80

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Motion To Move Minister's Statement 11-12(6): To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 80

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Madam Speaker, with permission, I would like to make a motion to move the Premier 's return to session statement into committee of the whole. Therefore, Madam Premier , I move, seconded by the Member for Natilikmiot , that Minister's Statement 11-12(6) be moved into committee of the whole.

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Motion To Move Minister's Statement 11-12(6): To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 80

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. The motion is in order.

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Motion To Move Minister's Statement 11-12(6): To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 80

An Hon. Member

Question.

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Motion To Move Minister's Statement 11-12(6): To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 80

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Inuvik's Bid To Host 1998 Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 80

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, on September 26th and September 27th there was a significant happening in Inuvik, where the town of Inuvik, its residents and people from the surrounding communities, the Beaufort and the Mackenzie Delta communities, had the opportunity to put its best foot forward and put on a show to impress the people from the Arctic Winter Games international committee, who visited the town to look at the facilities, the town itself, and assess the capabilities of the region to host the 1998 Arctic Winter Games. The town, residents and visitors from the surrounding communities did a bang-up job. There was enthusiasm, great spirit...

---Applause

...and many, many people at all the events, including the parades, the demonstration of Arctic sports, the community feast - we had over 1,000 at the school -- and it was very impressive. Most of the members on the bid committee from Inuvik were also very impressed with the turnout. So on your desk, we have a little memento from Inuvik called, "Together We Can Make It Happen." It is the logo for the 1998 Arctic Winter Games. I urge you all to support Inuvik in its bid to host the games. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Inuvik's Bid To Host 1998 Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 80

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Outbreak Of Suicide Attempts In Coppermine

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 80

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I am going to speak on a very sensitive issue, one which we are all aware of, yet rarely discuss; suicide. My decision to speak on this issue is made after careful consultation with many of my constituents, as it has directly affected them in recent weeks past. Residents of Coppermine have been undergoing particularly difficult and emotional times. Within the past three weeks, there has been a series of successful and unsuccessful suicide attempts by youth in the community.

Madam Speaker, my constituents and I are unaware of the reasons for this sudden outbreak of suicide attempts. We can only speculate on the reasons, as only the individuals attempting to take their own lives know or can give indications as to what issues caused them to take such drastic action. For two individuals, we will never know, as tragically their suicide attempts were successful.

Madam Speaker, the residents of Coppermine are requesting assistance before there are any escalations in suicide attempts. I call upon our government to immediately place a suicide specialist and other related support services into Coppermine to address and assist the community in dealing with the recent outbreak of suicide attempts. Mahsi.

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Outbreak Of Suicide Attempts In Coppermine

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 80

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Collective Bargaining Negotiations With Unw

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 81

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On September 15th, Madam Speaker, I attended a meeting held by the Union of Northern Workers for its membership, at the Yellowknife Inn. The subject, of course, was the upcoming collective bargaining which is due to begin on the 19th.

The Yellowknife MLAs were invited to get support for allowing this process to continue according to the tradition of collective bargaining. I've had many letters from my constituents, Madam Speaker, suggesting that the government may once more attempt to legislate a contract or legislate conditions of work. Previously, in this House, I stood and said I would not support legislation of this kind.

So I'm standing today to tell my constituents, since many of them have written -- some of the signatures are not legible, some of the addresses are not quite clear -- that my position has not changed and I will not support legislation, and we should -- other Members, too -- allow the collective bargaining process to continue in the way it was intended.

---Applause

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Collective Bargaining Negotiations With Unw

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 81

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Absence Of Mr. Arvaluk

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 81

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to inform this House, as the chairperson of the Ordinary Members' Caucus, that the MLA for Aivilik, Mr. James Arvaluk , will not be in the House until Thursday, October 6, 1994. Mr. Arvaluk had to return to Coral Harbour to deal with an urgent constituency matter. Thank you.

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Absence Of Mr. Arvaluk

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 81

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Iqaluit Municipal Election

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 81

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I am delighted to rise today to hail the restoration of democracy in Iqaluit.

---Applause

Hallelujah!

I wish to give my warmest congratulations to the new mayor of Iqaluit, Mr. Joe Adla Kunuk.

Mr. Kunuk's election as mayor is particularly noteworthy because he is the first Inuk mayor of Iqaluit since Mr. Joe Tikivik was mayor in the early 1970s.

---Applause

Congratulations, Joe Kunuk.

The new councillors are, in order of votes obtained: Mr. Ben Ell; Ms. Natsiq Kango; Mr. Jimmy "Flash" Kilabuk; Mr. Abe Okpik; Mr. Tom Demcheson; Mr. Bryan Hellwig; Mr. Kenn Harper; and, Mr. Geosah Uniuqsaraq.

I would like to thank the hard-working members of the municipal advisory committee which was ably co-chaired by Anne Crawford and Bob Hanson; Mr. Mike Ferris, municipal administrator; and, Mr. Bill Collings, acting senior administration officer.

The Big Mac, as it was called, accomplished a great deal under difficult circumstances, including the resolution of the residential lot land crisis we faced earlier this summer. They were ably supported by Mr. Ferris and Mr. Collings.

I would like to thank the former Minister of MACA, the Honourable Silas Arngna'naaq , for meeting with the community and the municipal advisory committee, in April, while he was Minister, and for making some critical decisions at that time, including agreeing to call the election September 27, 1994.

I would also like to thank the present Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, the Honourable Rebecca Mike , for being present in Iqaluit on election night to welcome the new mayor and council, and for her public pledge of continued, ongoing support from her department. May I say to Ms. Mike , if she would ever like advice from me about which one of my constituents she should or should not have dinner with, I would be pleased to give it any time. Thank you.

---Laughter

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Iqaluit Municipal Election

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 81

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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London Times

Article Re Queen's Visit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 81

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I, along with everyone else, read with amusement the accounts of the Queen's visit as it appeared in the Times of London.

Madam Speaker, I have not read such creative fiction since the guy who wrote the book on Cosmos 954, described the present area where this Assembly site is as frozen tundra that you could see from the sixth floor of the Explorer Hotel.

Madam Speaker, as a politician, I understand that the media will sometimes dwell on the negative and sensational aspect of the story or events in an attempt to impress and startle their readers. However, Madam Speaker, to dwell on the negative aspect of life in the Northwest Territories with no mention of progress that has been made and the progress that is being planned for our children and our children's children, makes light of all of the work being done by the government and the native organizations, such as the Dene Cultural Institute.

Madam Speaker, as a member of one of the various ethnic groups who, as you can see occasionally, wears colourful traditional clothing, I must state for the record, that to my knowledge and that of my colleagues in this House, and my contacts in private life, there is no way that any native organization was involved with the bomb threats made against the Queen. We are proud people, Madam Speaker, and as such have started to negotiate from a position of strength, our future role in confederation and indeed the commonwealth. We need no bombs to get our points across.

In conclusion, Madam Speaker, I would like to point out to the readers of the London Times that ours is a territory that is indeed filled with challenges and hard decisions for years to come, but we are working on it. The beauty of the land and the people can far outweigh the social problems we are presently experiencing. Come and see it for yourself. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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London Times

Article Re Queen's Visit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 82

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Congratulating Organizers Of Queen's Visit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 82

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this may be an appropriate time for me to express the pleasure and honour that our city of Yellowknife had in welcoming the royal couple this summer. You are well aware of all the events that took place in the city, and I only wish that the royal couple were able to go to more communities in the territories. But, failing that, people did come from all over the territories to be here and to participate in the excitement and the fond memories that this royal visit created will last a very, very long time.

I wish to use this opportunity, as well, Madam Speaker, to compliment the organizers of this event, the countless volunteers and the entertainers for a job well done. Some of them, I note, are here in the gallery today.

Personally, my wife and I had the pleasure of meeting Her Majesty on two separate occasions. We found them to be very warm people, very personable people. They talked quite a lot with folks from Yellowknife about family and day-to-day things, as well, Madam Speaker. I'm sure that the comments that her majesty made when she shook hands with me at the airport, "Thank you very much for the wonderful time" is a reflection of her feelings to the people across the north.

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Page 82

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Member's Statement Re Appreciation Of Constituents

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 82

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to thank all the Members here, especially my constituents, I especially wish to thank them for giving me support for the responsibilities I have. Tima, Madam Speaker, you will have to put on your listening device as I will be talking in my language. I'll be getting assistance from the interpreters. We have a heavy workload in front of us. I just wanted to make a brief statement. I wanted to thank my constituents. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Member's Statement Re Appreciation Of Constituents

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Page 82

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Member's Statement Re Sessional Workload

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 82

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. Now that the Legislative Assembly has started...From the previous time we had met and then we had the whole summer, I have worked on a lot of things and I'm sure all the MLAs had a busy summer, too.

This summer we had a lot of forest fires. A lot of work was done trying to put out fires. Now that we have started, I think we have about two months to sit here. There are some things I want to bring up, but I will bring them up later. I'd just like to welcome everybody back. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 82

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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North Baffin Resident's Boat Trip To Greenland

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 82

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Last summer, an historical occasion happened in my constituency that not too many people know about in the Northwest Territories. A constituent of mine started out from Pond Inlet to go to Greenland by boat. He was successful and came back to Pond Inlet, as was traditionally done. I believe the last one that took place by dogteam and canoe was in the early 1800s.

As you know, Madam Speaker, the north Baffin people have distant relatives in Greenland, and that enforces the strength shown by my constituents and I was really proud of that.

Madam Speaker, as you know, my language is an international language. I can communicate with Greenlanders, Labrador and to some extent the Alaskans and Soviet Inuit. In that, we would like to show, as north Baffin people, that we are an international community and as such, we take care of the environment. Thank you.

---Applause

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Page 82

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Member's Statement Re Passing Of Charlie Charlo

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 82

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I rise today to pay my respect to an important member of the Dogrib Nation who passed away recently. Madam Speaker, Charlie Charlo passed away on October 1st after a nine-month battle with cancer. He had just turned 50 years old when he passed away. He was born in Rae on September 25, 1944. He was the son of the late Alexis Charlo and Elizabeth Megwi.

Madam Speaker, Charlie attended school in Rae-Edzo in his early childhood. He continued on with his schooling at Grandin College in Fort Smith where he completed his grade 12. After returning home, Madam Speaker, Charlie became deeply involved in the community of Rae-Edzo. He did many things for the community in order for it to be a better place to live and also to provide more opportunities for the young people in that community.

In 1976, Madam Speaker, Charlie was elected chief of the Rae Dene Band. Under his leadership, Rae grew with new housing and also with the new Nishi-Khon complex and the Dene store.

Madam Speaker, he was the force behind getting economic development and also in creating the development corporation and forestry services in that community. Charlie also became Rae's first mayor and spent the next ten years serving in that capacity for the community of Rae-Edzo.

Madam Speaker, Charlie was the kind of person you could always go to and talk to. He always had time to listen to you. Above all, Charlie was a visionary person who worked very hard to create new opportunities for the people of Rae and also the region.

We will miss Charlie very much. His passing is a big loss to the Dogrib people. My deep condolences go to his wife Lena and his children Myles, Charlette and Cherolyn and also to his extended family. Mahsi.

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Page 83

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Return To Question 41-12(6): Commercial Caribou Harvest

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 83

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have three returns. The first one is from April 7th asked by Mr. Dent regarding commercial caribou harvest. I believe the honourable Member has been provided with the information he requested on the commercial caribou harvest conducted in the North Slave in March, 1994.

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Return To Question 29-12(6): Method Of Informing Public Of Hunting Seasons

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 83

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

The second response, Madam Speaker, if I may, was to a question asked by Mr. Ng on April 7, 1994 on the method of informing the public of hunting seasons. The Department of Renewable Resources uses several methods to make the public aware of hunting regulations. Each year, the Department of Renewable Resources prepares a

summary of hunting regulations. These are provided to each person who applies for a resident or non-resident hunting licence. The Department of Renewable Resources consults with local and regional hunters' and trappers' associations on any changes to hunting regulations and advises hunters of changes at meetings of HTAs. This consultation on regulation changes is a requirement within the completed land claim agreements.

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Further Return To Question 40-12(6): Investigation Into Hunting Charge In Coppermine

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 83

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

My third return to oral question was asked by Mr. Ng on April 7, 1994 on the investigation on hunting charge in Coppermine. The Department of Renewable Resources will place notices in public places in communities where there are changes to hunting regulations that may affect general hunting licence holders, with specific reference to the payment for wolverine carcasses. The notice was revised in September, 1993 and now states "Renewable Resources would like to buy the carcasses from all the wolverine you take during the hunting season". I believe these changes will prevent any confusion in the future. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 83

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. The

honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 83

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, in the Premier 's statement, Return to Session, she stated that the consolidation of the departments of Health and Social Services is well under way. My question to the Premier -- who is also the Minister of Health and Social Services -- is what is being done to consolidate the two departments?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 83

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 83

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, as the Member is aware, there have been management functions in the head office in Social Services, as well as management and support in Health. Those two areas are being consolidated so that we have one internal management support organization to serve both Health and Social Services. As well, to reflect that initiative, the realignment of one deputy minister of Health and Social Services has been put in place and there has been consolidation in other areas. The requirements at the directorship level have been reviewed and have been rationalized. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 83

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Supplementary To Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 83

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Both departments are very large and are located in all our regions and in most of the communities. I'm just wondering what time frame the Minister is looking at for achieving this consolidation at headquarters, in the regions and in the communities.

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Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 83

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Further Return To Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 83

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, this consolidation will be reflected in the present capital budget, and the other changes in operations and maintenance will be reflected in the April 1, 1995 budget. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

Fred Koe

Inuvik

I know there have to be budget preparations, but what time frame are you looking at for having these consolidations done? Is it October 1st, November 1st, or March 31, 1995? What time frame are you looking at for achieving this consolidation?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the planned

schedule for regional consolidation is April 1, 1995. One manager in each region will be responsible for the delivery of all health and social services. The complete consolidation and integration of services is planned for April 1, 1996. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. There is going to be a big impact on our communities and regions and there are staff in many of these places. I'm just wondering what type of consultation the department is doing to involve the people in the communities in this consolidation.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Question 46-12(6): Consolidation Of Departments Of Health And Social Services

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, in terms of the regional consolidation, the new deputy minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Lovely, has been to all regions to begin discussions with staff and with organizations that would be affected by the consolidation. As well, I have personally attended various meetings that I have been invited to, to start discussions on what things have to be done and what type of work has to be communicated to the people presently working in the two departments.

Consultation and communication has begun. There has been at least one visit to each region and each regional grouping. We have also consulted with workers at the primary level. This will continue in order to make the turnover as positive as possible.

We know that the regions and the communities will both be affected by the change. Therefore, there is quite a hectic

schedule to make sure we deal directly with those who are going to be affected. Thank you.

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Page 84

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Question 47-12(6): Consolidation Of H&ss In Nahendeh And Deh Cho Regions

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services in regards to the consolidation of the two departments. I would like to know, Madam Speaker, what the department is doing in the Nahendeh constituency where we don't have many boards at all. The Mackenzie Regional Health Board was looking after my constituency as well as other constituencies in the south Slave. What is going on with consolidation in this area? Mahsi.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services, Madam Premier .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, as the Member is aware, there was a meeting held with representatives from those two areas about the next step they would want to take in looking at a board structure. Subsequently, I dealt with the representatives in the different regions about how to take the next steps.

Those representatives were supposed to reply to myself or the department so that we can look at what has been done up to this time and to see if they've digested the information and the options that were put to them so that we could make some changes, whether it is the formation of a full-blown board or to continue more support services in the regions. I am still awaiting our next consultation to deal with that. Thank you.

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Page 84

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister a supplementary question about the Mackenzie Regional Health Board, which is located in Yellowknife. Are there plans to move some of the positions of the Mackenzie Regional Health Board to the communities, in Fort Simpson, for example, or Rae? Are there plans of this nature? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Page 84

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, that issue has been discussed and that is part of the reorganization. Thank you.

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Page 84

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 48-12(6): Rash Of Suicide Attempts In Coppermine

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 84

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Earlier in my Member's statement, I spoke on the issue of suicides. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. I would like to ask

the Minister if she's aware of the recent increase of suicide attempts in the community of Coppermine? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services, Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, yes, I am aware of the incidents in Coppermine as well as a number of incidents in other Members' constituencies. I concur with the Member in relationship to his original statement. In our attempt to rationalize needs and requirements in the communities, one of the areas that I am trying to address is what type of people are needed in the communities, what type of support and where are they best deployed. We are trying to address that matter. Presently, there are many positions and programs out there now that are probably not serving their original purpose, although they may originally have been relevant.

I know communities are suggesting that a different type of support be provided to the communities. In relationship to suicide prevention and mental health, I believe we can refocus on these two areas rather than continuing the redundant programs we are providing right now. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister when her department will address the issue of increased suicide attempts, not only in Coppermine but in other communities as well?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I believe this is one of the areas we did not discuss at the recent meeting with the health care givers that was held in Cambridge Bay a couple of days ago. While the issue is being dealt with at the regional level in the Inuvik area, I believe that some of the initiatives they have taken in terms of redeploying person years or help to communities, in support of mental health, are some of the areas I would like to discuss with the region.

However, I have asked the department to pay some immediate attention to Coppermine and their requirements because there was an incident. We look at that on an interim basis, but in overall planning, we have to look at where we are providing services and what kind. I suggested to the regional group that if they want meetings, it would have to be over the weekend. They are looking at when we can have this discussion. I would like to have some opinion as to what can be redirected for suicide and mental health.

I would like to have that discussion with the communities involved, because it appears to me there are different ways people want to handle these issues from region to region and community to community. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister what type of resources are currently available in the department to address suicide prevention in the Northwest Territories.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, we have specialists in suicide or the allocation of funds, which with the former Minister, were recently allocated to the regions. As well, under the Department of Social Services, not only are there social workers, but there are mental health workers available. I can't tell you exactly what is available in Coppermine. I will provide that information, as well as what the department is planning to do as an interim measure for that community. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 49-12(6): Privatization Of NWT Power Corporation

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 85

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Premier . It has been six months since we sat in formal session. Over the past six months, we were made to understand that she would be consulting with various groups throughout the territories, who may be interested in gaining equity through the privatization of the Power Corporation. I would like to ask the Premier if she could give us an update on who she has met with over the last six months, not all the details, but give us some examples of what the progress has been.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, there isn't one particular aboriginal organization that I haven't met with. In a number of the regional meetings that I have attended, this topic has come up for discussion. In terms of all the organizations, they have all been present in one discussion or the other. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In meeting with the various groups, whether they be aboriginal organizations or not, in an attempt to find whether there is interest of these groups in purchasing some equity in the Power Corporation, if

it were to be privatized, what kind of financial arrangements are being discussed?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, all the discussions and the issue of the presentation on my part was based on the Abbott report that was tabled in the Legislative Assembly. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

In the case of those organizations that have not yet concluded their land claims and, therefore, do not have funds to purchase equity in the Power Corporation, are there opportunities for those organizations also to get equity in the Power Corporation?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the opportunity is the same to any organization, whether they have a claim settlement or not. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a question to the Government Leader with regard to the consolidation of Health and Social Services. Madam Speaker, the people of Sanikiluaq get their health services through the Keewatin region and they get their services also from the Baffin region. Would it cause any problems, as far as Sanikiluaq is concerned, in having two centres? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the issue of Sanikiluaq and the circumstances that they are presently operating under has been brought up in a few meetings. The issue will be discussed with the relevant boards or agencies that are presently dealing with this, in particular with Sanikiluaq, as we move towards a consolidation of these services. The community of Sanikiluaq will have to discuss this issue to see what makes sense and how we deal with consolidating these two services. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 51-12(6): Minister's Authorization Of Housing Advertisement

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 86

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, we heard in the Premier 's opening statement today, that our government has suffered from a staggering $45 million cut in social housing. Yet, I see in the fall 1994 issue of the airline in-flight magazine, Above and Beyond, a lavish 16-page glossy coloured ad spread on the NWT Housing Corporation, including a beautiful picture of the Minister, the Honourable Don Morin .

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Some Hon. Members

Nay.

---Applause

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

There are 16 pages here and I am told the magazine charges $2,500 a page. I would like to ask the Minister -- and this

article has extensive quotes from him and his senior staff -- did the Minister authorize this costly ad spread? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Housing , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the deputy minister has the authority to authorize that type of ad. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I am told that this magazine charges $2,500 a page for advertising. Even at a bargain rate of $2,000, this is probably a $25,000 or $30,000 ad spread. I would like to ask the Minister of Housing , how far would $25,000 go towards building a home ownership unit in one of our communities in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Housing , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It depends on what region you would like to build in. For example, in the South Slave region, it would be around $140,000. In the Baffin, it is about $160,000. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Morin , may I correct you, I am not Mr. Speaker. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, Assuming that the Housing Corporation had an important message to

communicate to the people of the Northwest Territories, at a quarter of the cost of a home ownership unit, I would like to ask the Minister if he's aware that Above and Beyond magazine includes in its circulation list; 6,000 copies to the Edmonton Chamber of Commerce; several thousand copies to the Ottawa Board of Trade; and, to the Greenland Chamber of Commerce. I would like to ask the Minister if there's an important message that the Housing Corporation wishes to convey, and if so, is it necessary to convey that message to Edmonton, Ottawa and Greenland? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

No, it's not necessary. Thank you, Madam Speaker. It would be nice to convey the message to Ottawa, but the other places are not relevant. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I would like to ask the Minister, Madam Speaker, if the corporation has determined to spend its precious funds on advertising -- which I think is perhaps a questionable use of its money in light of the critical social housing shortage -- did the corporation give any consideration to spending the money for advertising on publications such as community newspapers which are distributed in communities and households in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Morin .

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Question 51-12(6): Minister's Authorization Of Housing Advertisement

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 87

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would consider that, yes. Thank you.

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Question 51-12(6): Minister's Authorization Of Housing Advertisement

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 87

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 52-12(6): Reasons For Reassigning Ministerial Portfolios

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 87

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is a question to the Government Leader . It's been about three years since we've been Members of the Legislature. Madam Speaker, we are all aware and have been made aware that the Ministers change their portfolios. I just wondered why they have to give them different portfolios. We have been given information as to which Minister is doing which portfolio. Perhaps there is a problem. Because they change their portfolios so often, maybe they're not really getting used to what they're used to doing. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Madam Premier .

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Question 52-12(6): Reasons For Reassigning Ministerial Portfolios

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 87

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, one of the reasons why we change portfolios is to adjust workload and also to take into consideration that many of the Ministers have changed, as well. So you try to do the best in fitting interest to portfolios. There are many reasons why Ministers have changed. However, in the end, the Cabinet works as a group, that the changes in themselves should provide a positive approach to the changing times. The government itself, right now with all the new initiatives and the financial restraints is changing itself.

So I believe that the Ministers given the responsibility are deemed to be people who could handle change and various portfolios. Right now, what we try to do in looking at government expenditures and how we operate is that many of the different departments overlap in responsibility from one department to the other. So we're working very hard to make some sense and avoid duplication. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.

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Return To Written Question 1-12(6): Hiv/aids Related Expenditures For Fiscal Years 1993-94 And 1994-95

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Page 87

Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

Madam Speaker, Return to Written Question 1-12(6), asked by Mr. Dent and replied to by the Minister of Health and Social Services concerning HIV/AIDS related expenditures for the fiscal years 1993-94 and 1994-95.

Mr. Dent asked for a detailed outline of HIV/AIDS related expenditures made in the fiscal year 1993-94 and those planned for 1994-95.

I provided the honourable Member with this information in a letter dated May 16, 1994.

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Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, petitions. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Committee Report 2-12(6): Report On Issues Referred By Caucus

Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 87

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges would like to present its report on issues referred by Caucus.

Madam Speaker, the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges has the responsibility to review the rules and procedures of the Legislative Assembly and matters brought to our attention by Members.

The committee received referrals from Caucus, requesting that the standing committee review the following issues:

a) rules requiring a Member to stand when speaking in the House as they might affect a person with a physical disability;

b) procedures regarding the recognition of visitors in the gallery;

c) an options paper prepared by the Chairs' Liaison Committee on the operation and accountability of standing committees; and,

d) recall legislation.

The standing committee has examined these issues and is pleased to report our findings.

Review Of The Rules Regarding Standing When Speaking In The House

On November 24, 1993, the committee received a referral from Caucus concerning the rules regarding standing as they might affect a disabled person. Some Members felt that our rules should permit Members to remain seated if "disabled or in discomfort." Caucus shared the concerns stated by these Members. Rule 21 currently states "Every Member recognized shall stand in his or her place and address the Speaker." There are other rules that also require Members to stand; for recorded votes; and, at the time of adjournment.

When Caucus first considered this matter, it was agreed that the Speaker would seek unanimous consent to permit a Member with a physical disability to remain seated when speaking during formal session. This was to be an interim measure pending the result of the review by the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges. The standing committee examined the procedures that are used in other jurisdictions. It was found that each jurisdiction handles these situations on a case-by-case basis.

During our review, the committee felt that asking for unanimous consent to waive the rules would draw attention unnecessarily to the fact that a Member is disabled. Committee Members considered the fact that there may be a Member elected who had a permanent disability, or that a Member may suffer from an injury during the course of his or her term that might also make them unable to stand as required by the rules. Members may not wish to bring attention to the disability, therefore it was felt that an alternative method should be developed.

The committee agreed that Members who suffer from permanent or temporary physical disability which would require the waiving of the rules for standing, should request, in writing, to the Speaker their need to waive the rules which govern standing. And the Speaker, after due consideration, will indicate to the House at the first opportunity that the rules have been waived for the Member for a specific period of time.

Recommendation 1

Therefore, this committee recommends that rule 18 be amended to add, under (3), "Notwithstanding rule 18(1) does not apply to rule 6(1), 21 and 61(2) if the Member has been granted approval by the Speaker to waive those rules for a specified period of time.

Recognizing Visitors In The Gallery

On March 4, 1994, the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges received a request to review the possibility of developing an additional procedure by which Members of the Assembly could recognize visitors in the gallery. Five Legislatures in Canada include an item for the recognition of people in the gallery on their order paper. This allows Members of these particular Assemblies to recognize certain persons in the gallery without having to go through the Speaker.

Current practice in our Legislature provides that the Speaker has the authority to recognize people in the gallery. This serves to avoid the recognition of people for political reasons and protects the dignity and standards of the Chamber. However, the standing committee felt that placing an additional item on the order paper would allow Members to recognize people in the gallery who may not fall within the guidelines the Speaker currently applies and would eliminate the problem of the Speaker having to make the decision of who may or may not be recognized. It would allow the Member to introduce those persons who, in the Member's opinion, may be worthy of recognition.

The committee feels that most Members of the Assembly would still prefer to have the Speaker recognize guests. The authority to recognize guests should remain with the Speaker as much as possible. However, for those less obvious cases, a formal means for Members to recognize people in the gallery should be available.

Recommendation 2

Therefore, the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges recommends that more liberal guidelines on the recognition of visitors be developed for application by the Speaker.

The committee is of the opinion that the rules should be amended to include an item on the order paper titled "Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery". This item should be placed immediately before oral questions and should appear on the order paper on a provisional basis for the remainder of the 12th Assembly. Each introduction shall be limited to 30 seconds in duration.

Recommendation 3

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges recommends that rules 27(1) and (2) be amended by adding the new item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery, to the orders of the day. And further, that all items following the new item 5 be renumbered sequentially.

Recommendation 4

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges also recommends that the rules be amended by adding the following new rule: recognition of visitors in the gallery.

Rule 37(1) under the item recognition of visitors in the gallery, a Member may make a statement of introduction of visitors here in the gallery.

Rule 37(2), introduction made under Rule 37(1) shall not exceed 30 seconds.

And further, that the rules be renumbered to reflect the addition of the new rule 37. And furthermore, that these rule changes come into effect on the first sitting day after adoption and remain in effect on a provisional basis for the remainder of the 12th Assembly.

Operation And Accountability Of Standing Committees

On April 21, 1994, the standing committee received a referral from Caucus to review a paper on the operation and accountability of the standing committees, which was developed by the Chairs' Liaison Committee. The paper presented guidelines to aid in the operation and accountability of standing committees with respect to:

- how Members are assigned or reassigned to committees;

- balancing workloads amongst Members;

- disciplining committee Members; and,

- guidelines for processing living allowances, indemnities and travel expenses.

When developing the guidelines for the operation and accountability of standing committees, the Chairs' Liaison Committee addresses a broad range of issues surrounding committees. The assignment of committee work and balancing workloads was addressed in a

section on committee size, allocating of committee seats, length of term of Members and selection of committee chairs.

Committee discipline was addressed in this

section on committee expectation and discipline, review of committee performance and committee resources. The Chairs' Liaison Committee made several recommendations which Caucus and the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges reviewed. The following recommendations emerged from these reviews.

Review Of The Discussion Paper On Committee Operation And Accountability

The Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories currently has a large number of committees and caucuses. Some involve both Ministers and ordinary Members. Recently, some committee chairs voiced concern over the lack of attendance by Members and the difficulties in getting a quorum for meetings. The number of committees compared to the number of MLAs means Members are worn thin. As a result, they may place less emphasis on committees which are not of keen interest to them.

Between committee meetings and sittings of the Assembly, NWT Members are currently spending an average of 47 per cent of their work day in meetings. The volume of work does not allow individual Members to become immersed in any one of their committees. Aside from special committees and caucuses, most Members sit as regular Members on two or three standing committees.

Given the significant use of alternates, it appears that it's difficult for Members to become as involved as they may like. Smaller committees would give Members the opportunity to become more involved with them. The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges feels that with smaller

committees and improved committee guidelines, it should be easier to meet quorum requirements.

Recommendation 5

Therefore, the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges recommends that the membership of the Standing Committee should be reduced to five Members and further, that the quorum for standing committees be lowered to four Members based on a membership of five. Furthermore, that the number of alternates should remain at three Members. Furthermore, that the rules of the Legislative Assembly be amended to reflect the approved changes regarding membership and quorum and that the changes to the rules come into force on the first day of the first session of the 13th Assembly.

Committee Assignments

The two most common ways to allocate positions on committees are by interest and by ability. It is felt that the best way to allocate positions on committees is based on the combination of interest, ability and experience. Members are more likely to attend and participate fully if committee work is a topic of personal interest.

Members should be asked to provide to the Striking Committee a brief written request for the committee on which they are interested in holding a position. The Chairs' Liaison Committee's report proposes that Members provide a description of how their experience and interest would contribute to the work of each committee position requested. The Striking Committee would then try to balance the workload of Members.

Recommendation 6

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges recommends that the Members provide brief written information explaining the reason they are requesting an appointment to a particular committee or committees.

And further, that when assigning Members to committees, the Striking Committee should consider the interest, ability and experience of the Member while trying to maintain an east/west balance where possible.

---Applause

Appointment To Committees

Currently, committee Members are appointed at the beginning of each Assembly and unless there are changes in the status of the Member, they remain with those committees for the four-year term. This is the preferable way of handling the length of term for committee Members.

Some Members have suggested that committee membership should be rotated annually. There is always a learning curve associated with committee work and the Members become more proficient and aware of the committee's specific needs over time. Continuity of committee Members allows committees to be more effective in their approach.

Recommendation 7

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges recommends that committee Members continue to be appointed for the term of an Assembly.

Selection Of Committee Chairs

Chairs must have the confidence and support of their committees, particularly since they are ultimately responsible for committee discipline and budget expenditures. Chairs should be selected by each committee through a secret ballot election administered by the clerk of the committee.

Recommendation 8

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges recommends that chairs should continue to be selected through a secret ballot election administered by the clerk of the committee.

Committee Discipline

In order for committees to function effectively, there must be a commitment and dedication among Members to the work of the committee. It is important that upon initial formation, committees clearly outline their expectations for Members in terms of preparation, participation and attendance at committee meetings. Currently, chairs have no authority to discipline Members who are not making a fair contribution to committee work. Chairs should have avenues for disciplining Members who apparently do not take their task seriously. Stability and consistency in committee membership is important. One way to encourage committee attendance is to tie attendance to monetary items.

Recommendation 9

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges recommends that the payment of committee indemnities and living allowances be conditional upon attendance at committee meetings and, further, that committee chairs and ultimately the committee, be given authority to discipline a Member of that committee.

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Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Committee Accountability

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Committee Report 2-12(6): Report On Issues Referred By Caucus

Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 90

Henry Zoe

North Slave

The Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories has decided that one way to hold Ministers accountable for their actions is through a mid-term review of ministerial performance. However, in a consensus government system, the committees are also powerful in terms of their ability to influence government action. The Chairs' Liaison Committee stated in their report that committees should be required to outline their goals and workplan on a regular basis and that an annual report should be tabled each year outlining the committee's activities for the past year and their proposed workplan for the upcoming year.

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges feels that the goals, workplan and principles for each committee are clearly stated in the terms of reference for each committee and that the reports that are presented to the House serve as the committees' accountability mechanism.

Therefore, the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges does not feel that a recommendation is necessary in this regard.

Legislative Assembly Guidelines For Committees

The role of ordinary Members is very important. The committee system is the way in which ordinary Members can influence the decision of Cabinet and make recommendations to the Legislature for action. Each committee has the responsibility for examining its own procedures to ensure that the work of the committee is carried out in an efficient, economic and effective manner. It is important to the work of the committees that Members attend regularly and on time. The standing committee, with the guidance of the Chairs' Liaison Committee, has developed guidelines for committees of the Legislative Assembly. It is attached to Appendix A.

These guidelines have been forwarded to the Management and Services Board for approval and adoption into policy. The guidelines would apply to all committees of the Legislative Assembly.

Recommendation 10

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges recommends that the committee guidelines be adopted by the Management and Services Board as policy for the administrative operation of the Legislative Assembly.

Recall Legislation

Recall is the legal mechanism whereby a specified percentage of voters can petition for a vote to remove an elected official. If the vote is in favour of removal, there will be a bi-election to fill the vacancy. Caucus asked that the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges examine this issue in more detail as it might relate to the NWT Legislative Assembly.

The committee studied the various strengths and weaknesses of this aspect of direct democracy. Although there are special problems in using recall in a Parliamentary system, implementation in the Northwest Territories is a possibility. If the concept of recall was approved in the Northwest Territories Legislature, it would be up to the government to devise and implement the recall procedures by way of legislation.

Factors which will have to be addressed in detail in the legislation would include:

1. Should there be specific grounds for recall, such as misconduct or incompetence and should the grounds for recall be unlimited?

2. Should there be periods during which representatives are immune from recall attempts?

3. How many signatures would be required for a successful petition for recall?

4. Should there be restrictions on spending during the petition process and who pays for the costs associated

during the petition process? Should there be a fee for the

petition and what would that fee be? Should there be limits to the number of petition attempts?

5. Should there be a time limit for gathering petition signatures? What signature verification process would there be?

6. How long after a successful recall vote should a by-election be held?

7. Should there be a recall vote or should a successful petition remove the elected official from their seat?

8. Which voters are eligible to vote in a recall election?

The standing committee reviewed the issue of recall and feels that, although the issue is important and deserves serious consideration, this committee does not have the authority to pursue the issue to its conclusion.

Recommendation 11

Therefore, the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges recommends that the government develop a legislative action paper on the issue of recall of Members of the Legislative Assembly for tabling in the House.

Madam Speaker, this concludes the review of the issues referred to our committee by Caucus and the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges would like to thank the Members for their continued interest and support in these issues which affect us all. Suggestions for improving our rules and procedures are always welcome and appreciated. Mahsi.

Madam Speaker, that concludes the report of the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges.

Motion To Move Committee Report 2-12(6) To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Therefore, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Iqaluit , that the report of the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges on issues referred by Caucus be received by the Assembly and moved into committee of the whole for today. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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