Debates of April 27th, 1999

This is page numbers 357 - 395 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was highway .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

International Year Of Older Persons

Preserving Aboriginal Languages

Minister Absent From The House

Contributions Of Seniors To NWT Society

Passing Of Harry Koyina

Shortage Of Teachers In Tsiigehtchic

Chamber Of Commerce Recommendations On Government Contracting

Rental Of Restricted And Adult Movies To Youth

Return To Oral Question 60-13(7): Student Hiring Program

Return To Oral Question 110-13(7): Report To Minister Of Pw&s On Issues Raised By Conflict Of Interest Commissioner

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Vacancies On NWT Development Corporation Board Of Directors

Shortage Of Teachers In Tsiigehtchic

Appointment Of Development Corporation Presidents

Rental Of Restricted And Adult Movies To Youth

Tulita Hotel Project

Oil And Gas Exploration

Treatment Referral Methods

Auditor General's Report On Development Corporation Operations

Development Corporation Project Evaluation Criteria

Written Question 4-13(7): Decentralization Of Human Resources Functions To Departments

Return To Written Question 1-13(7): Report To Minister Of Public Works And Services On Issues Raised By The Conflict Of Interest Commissioner

Budget Reply 4-13(7)

Budget Reply 5-13(7)

Tabled Document 33-13(7): Letter From Inuvik Health And Social Services Board Regarding Northern Addiction Services Treatment Dollars

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Giving Priority To Accelerating Highway 3 Reconstruction

Giving Priority To Accelerating Highway 8 Reconstruction

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 45-13(7): International Year Of Older Persons

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to update this House on the activities that are taking place in the Northwest Territories to celebrate the International Year of Older Persons, 1999. The International Year of Older Persons has been designated by the United Nations to recognize the important role seniors play in society. The Canadian theme for the year is, Canada, a Society for All Ages.

We are pleased to have the Honourable Flora McDonald with us today. Ms. McDonald is the co-chair of the Canada Coordinating Committee for the International Year of Older Persons. Her co-chair, Mr. Don Harron, is unable to be in the NWT to join in today's celebrations. The Canada Coordinating Committee, which has representation from all the provinces and territories, was formed to encourage participation in activities of the International Year of Older Persons. The committee also helps create sponsorships, partnerships and links among the public, voluntary and private sectors.

It encourages collaboration, information exchanges and project coordination across Canada. The committee monitors and evaluates outcomes of the year and reports on progress to the Ministers responsible for Seniors.

Mr. Speaker, the International Year of Older Persons gives us an excellent opportunity to talk about issues relating to aging. It is also an opportunity to celebrate the many valuable contributions seniors and elders have made, and continue to make every day. Activities are well underway all over Canada, as well as in the Northwest Territories. The NWT/Nunavut Coordinating Committee has been established to coordinate and promote activities that support relationships between the generations and honour our elders.

All Northerners over the age of 60 will receive a special commemorative pin. People over the age of 80 will also receive special recognition and gifts. One of the most exciting events being undertaken in Canada and the Northwest Territories is an oral history project. Elders and seniors will be interviewed and their stories will be recorded on audio or videocassettes by students and other members of the community. The coordinating committee will provide prizes for the best submissions. These will be forwarded to a national competition.

Mr. Speaker, this is but a small sketch of the activities that are underway in the Northwest Territories in honour of the International Year of Older Persons. I would like to encourage NWT communities to take

part in activities that will strengthen harmony between generations, and honour our elders. We can support International Year of Older Persons' activities by doing simple things such as hosting a family reunion, volunteering time to support activities for seniors, encouraging information sharing across the generations, and supporting projects to make communities safe for elders.

I am also pleased to announce that I will be presenting a discussion paper on older women's issues at the meeting of Ministers responsible for Seniors, which is to take place in St. John's, Newfoundland, on June 28. The discussion paper was prepared by the Department of Health and Social Services in consultation with other provincial and territorial governments. It highlights the significant barriers to well-being faced by older women. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I ask that we all take the opportunity to celebrate and promote the International Year of Older Persons and to honour our elders. Thank you. Mahsi cho.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 45-13(7): International Year Of Older Persons

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 46-13(7): Preserving Aboriginal Languages

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, one of the things that makes the Northwest Territories unique is the variety of aboriginal lifestyles and languages. There is a very real concern about the possible extinction of some of our aboriginal languages. The efforts we have been making are not enough. Before it is too late, it is important that we step back and find a better way to preserve and in some cases revitalize the languages.

Keeping your language is an important part of keeping your culture. We need to recognize the role of family and communities in sustaining language and culture. Our language should be something that you learn on your mother's knee. Schools can support that language development but cannot replace what a child can learn at home.

I met this morning with the participants at the Aboriginal Languages Communities Conference. They include representatives from the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and the language communities as well as the Languages Commissioner. I have asked this group to put their thoughts over the next two days towards the development of a language strategy. While it should address all official languages, the heart of the strategy must focus on the preservation of aboriginal languages. This strategy cannot be developed in isolation by any one group.

The department, Languages Commissioner and the various language communities must all be active participants in its development and in making it a reality.

The strategy needs to look at how we have tried to support languages, Mr. Speaker. We need to determine what has been effective, what has not worked and how we should redesign activities to promote language use and prevent any further loss of language. As a government, we need to make sure our legislation, policies and strategies support the preservation of language. Efforts at the community level also have to focus on preservation and on the family as the key player.

I have asked the conference participants to think about three key issues:

1. How we focus on keeping our unique languages alive and vibrant;

2. How we keep our actions based on family and the community; and

3. How to ensure that government is in tune with language communities.

Mr. Speaker, the purpose of the strategy is not to justify the need for more funding. The strategy will be developed within the budget parameters of the current government budget and any other funds that other interested parties may wish to bring to the table. The people at the table this morning have years of experience and a strong interest in preserving and revitalizing aboriginal languages. They need to be realistic and find what is do-able.

Mr. Speaker, if work goes as planned, we will have an initial draft of the strategy by the fall for comment and consideration. The government and the language communities are really two sides of the same coin trying to preserve languages. We need both parts to work together if we want to be effective and to make a lasting difference. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 46-13(7): Preserving Aboriginal Languages

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 47-13(7): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Jim Antoine is returning from the Deh Cho Territorial Leadership Meeting in Fort Liard and will be arriving late in the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 47-13(7): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 132-13(7): Contributions Of Seniors To NWT Society

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to direct my statement to the issue of seniors living in the Northwest Territories. Our senior citizens bring a special dimension to the quality of life in our communities. In Hay River we have a large contingent of seniors. They are involved in a diverse array of activities, volunteering in the schools, visiting in the hospital, delivering meals on wheels, supporting our service clubs with their efforts and much, much more.

They are organized politically. A force to be reckoned with you might say. They watch the proceedings of this government very carefully. In the near future, we are going to have a Youth Assembly. Young people from our communities will come here and take our seats in this Legislature. It would be very interesting to conduct an Elders Assembly and see what seniors would have to say about the many issues facing our new territory.

As senior citizens of our communities, they are the bastion of historic knowledge about us. If we take the time to listen, they have so many interesting things to tell us about the way things were and even the way things should be. We have benches in front of Riverview Lodge in downtown Hay River. I have enjoyed so much the times I have stopped to sit and chat with a senior that would be sitting there, someone like Lionel Gagnier or Maurice Hyland. Uncle Maurice, as we fondly called him, recently passed away and now I am especially glad for the opportunities I took to sit and visit with him.

I have said this before in this House, but too often we wait until a person has passed on before we stop to honour them. Yesterday I had lunch with Joe McBryan to hear all about his Dad's 80th birthday party. Joe was saying and I totally agree, we need to have more community barbecues, potluck dinners, informal gatherings, not necessarily with any special agenda, just to get together and visit and this would include our seniors.

I appreciate the special camaraderie I observe at the many community functions which our seniors attend. Besides their monthly meetings in Hay River, they also bowl together once a week. They just care about and look out for each other. In this the International Year of Older Persons, it would be good for every community in our territory to honour our seniors with a special community gathering so they will be reminded once again how important they are in our society.

Mr. Speaker, both of my parents are now deceased. When we were young, we were taught to respect our elders. My parents ran a small town, main street, meat market and grocery store. There were many seniors in our community, many, like when we were kids, we thought Saint Mary's was just one big retirement home. Our store took phone orders for groceries and delivered them to the homes. My Dad was the boss. He was a slave-driver, but my mother would send us off to deliver groceries. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 132-13(7): Contributions Of Seniors To NWT Society

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 132-13(7): Contributions Of Seniors To NWT Society

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Sorry Mr. Speaker, I was not observing the time. As I said, I can remember my mother often sending us off to deliver groceries and on the way out the door she would mention to us that Mrs. so-and-so sounded rather down today, so please stop and take time to visit for a little while. When we would get back to the store, Dad was always wondering why were we gone for so long and we would get reprimanded for it, but those were very special times.

I hope I can honour their memory by living what they taught us, to more often do a little extra through a kind word or deed for a senior citizen. Mr. Speaker, some days at the age of 42, I feel like a older person, but I cannot be too old because my baby girl is only ten years old today and I think her energy will keep me young for a long time as I observe myself in her. Happy Birthday, Jillian. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 133-13(7): Passing Of Harry Koyina

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning we had the honour to share lunch with elders from Yellowknife and area in celebrating the International Year of Older Persons. I would like to welcome all that attended the luncheon and who are also sitting in the gallery today. Today, Mr. Speaker, the Dogrib Nation lost one of its traditional statesman who also happened to be my father-in-law. Mr. Harry Koyina was born on December 10, 1910, and was raised by his father because his mother died when he was born.

He lived with his family on the land where they travelled vast distances by birchbark canoes and dog teams up to the Great Bear Lake area. He also hunted and trapped within the Dogrib area travelling up to Snare Lakes, Wha Ti, Rae Lakes and as far as Fort Simpson and Lutselk'e. Mr. Koyina married Laiza Mantla on July 31, 1936, an arranged marriage by the old chief, traditional name was Kw'ahitzo. Together they had 13 children and all were raised on the land. They taught their children the ways of both cultures, strong like two people.

Mr. Koyina worked for Rae Rock Mine when it first opened and were the last family to leave the site after the mine shut down. In the late 1950's Mr. Koyina was a band counsellor and worked very hard to meet and serve the needs of the people for 13 years. Mr. Koyina was a man who strongly supported and saw the importance of education. He also took great pride in looking after his family and was a good provider. He was always there to help his friends, families and those who needed his help. His wife and children as well as 35 grandchildren and 8eight great-grandchildren survived Mr.

Koyina All were touched by his love and his traditional knowledge and the skills he had to teach and pass on his knowledge. To this day people called him Kw'ahti. He was a very spiritual elder and will be missed by all. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 133-13(7): Passing Of Harry Koyina

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 134-13(7): Shortage Of Teachers In Tsiigehtchic

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in regard to a grave concern from the residents of Tsiigehtchic. It is in regard to the shortage of teachers in that community. Two weeks ago the principal, Don Rishea, was medevaced out of Tsiigehtchic along with his wife to Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, since then there has been a shortage of teachers in Tsiigehtchic for the last two weeks and I have received calls from parents of Tsiigehtchic concerned that their children will not be able to conclude the school year because of the shortage of teachers in that community. Mr.

Speaker, at the present time the children are not attending school because Tsiigehtchic only has one teacher. Alisha Mortenson is a young lady just out of university and is presently taking care of the children from kindergarten to grade 10. She is presently overworked and she is also trying to play the role of the principal. Mr. Speaker, I do not think it is fair to Ms. Mortenson to do this.

I feel, Mr. Speaker, with the shortage of teachers and also the shortage of staff we find ourselves with in the Beaufort Delta region, that there has to be some effort made to deal with this as an emergency. I strongly feel that we have to make all efforts to assist the community of Tsiigehtchic by bringing in teachers to offset the workload for Ms. Mortenson. Mr.

Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of Education questions on this matter in regard to what does the government do in cases such as this, which as far as I can see is an emergency crisis in a small community, and also for the children of Tsiigehtchic to ensure they are able to conclude their school year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 134-13(7): Shortage Of Teachers In Tsiigehtchic

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 135-13(7): Chamber Of Commerce Recommendations On Government Contracting

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have had several occasions to speak about negotiated contracts and requests for proposals and the concern that is out there. I recently had a

meeting with the Chamber of Commerce Government Affairs Committee of Yellowknife, on the issue of government contract methods. The chamber is pleased with the Minister's announcements that this is under study and that a report will be issued. The study is by the senior management of the territorial government departments. The committee has adopted several recommendations as a draft policy position. The Government Affairs Committee of the Chamber of Commerce would like to recommend that in the quarterly contracting reports of the government that:

1. They encourage the government to include contracting information for all departments and funded agencies. Funded agencies being such areas as the Housing Corporation, NWT Development Corporation, hospital boards and school boards;

2. They would also like to encourage the government to real-time post the report, when it is available, on its publicly-accessible Web sites, with key

definitions;

3. They suggest the government develop a real-time reporting system that allows for the updating of publicly posted data, essentially at the time of the expenditure commitment;

4. The Chamber would like to also meet with the government to discuss possible ways in which the data is stored and presented on the Web site;

5. That the government report all contracts over $1,000 (rather than the current $5,000 guideline); finally

6. That the government provide post-contract award report cards for all RFP and tender competitions.

This report card should show a losing bidder's performance per criterion, against the average and standard deviations for that criterion. Initially unsuccessful northern bidders could then see where they were rated deficient, permitting them to sharpen their future bids for a higher success rate in capturing work. As I said earlier, Mr. Speaker, this subject has been discussed by me on a number of occasions and I wanted to pass on the recommendations of the Yellowknife Chamber of Commerce Government Affairs Committee. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 135-13(7): Chamber Of Commerce Recommendations On Government Contracting

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 136-13(7): Rental Of Restricted And Adult Movies To Youth

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently one of my constituents brought to my attention a bizarre situation that warrants the attention of this government. Presently, in the Northwest Territories, it is illegal for a 12-year-old to attend a restricted movie at a movie theatre unless a parent or guardian accompanies them. However, that same 12-year-old may walk in to any video outlet in the Northwest Territories and without the consent or knowledge of their parents, rent that same movie on video.

The present legislation in the Northwest Territories does not prevent children from renting restricted videos and further, the legislation does not prevent video outlets from renting inappropriate videos to children.

Mr. Speaker, there are video outlets that do take it upon themselves to monitor the age of individuals that rent restricted videos and they should be commended for this. However, Mr. Speaker, there are also those outlets that do not monitor the rental of adult and restricted videos to children and it is with these outlets that I have problems.

A possible solution to this problem would be to change the present legislation to require the licensing of video rental outlets. As the NWT uses Alberta's film classification system there would be no cost for doing classifications. It would be the responsibility of the outlet to ensure that the films are labelled appropriately. Mr. Speaker, presently, the Film Classification Act of the Northwest Territories noticeably avoids the mention of addressing video movies. By taking this approach, I can only wonder if this government is saying that renting restricted and adult videos to children is acceptable? Or, Mr. Speaker, is this government prepared to do something about it? Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 136-13(7): Rental Of Restricted And Adult Movies To Youth

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Return To Oral Question 60-13(7): Student Hiring Program

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question on behalf of the Premier , the Honourable Jim Antoine . The question was asked on March 29, 1999, by Mr. Erasmus .

1. What types of plans does this government have in place to ensure that as many students as possible receive jobs when they get back here?

2. Is there going to be a central hiring agency or would the government commit to having a central hiring agency, particularly in a large centre like Yellowknife, so that students do not have to go all over the place with their resumes, just go through one central agency?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Oral Question 60-13(7): Student Hiring Program

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Returns to oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Return To Oral Question 110-13(7): Report To Minister Of Pw&s On Issues Raised By Conflict Of Interest Commissioner

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question asked by Mrs. Groenewegen on April 23, 1999.

The decision to proceed with an independent third party review of the issues raised in the Report of the Conflict of Interest Commissioner was taken by the deputy minister of the Department of Public Works and Services, in consultation with the former Minister of Public Works and Services , the Honourable Floyd Roland .

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Oral Question 110-13(7): Report To Minister Of Pw&s On Issues Raised By Conflict Of Interest Commissioner

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Roland .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to recognize a guest who has travelled to the Northwest Territories, the Honourable Flora McDonald, co-chair of the National Committee for the International Year of Older Persons. As well, joining us in the Gallery is Mr. Lloyd Brunes, chairman of the NWT Seniors Advisory Council and Mr. Dusty Miller, member of the NWT Seniors Advisory Council. I must apologize for not having the names of many of the others that joined us for our luncheon that we had, but I would like to welcome them to the gallery.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 361

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize a constituent of mine from Hay River, Mr. Lloyd Brunes, and thank him for his work with the seniors. Also, my new constituency assistant, Wendy Morgan from Hay River, who has just come to Yellowknife for the first time. Thank you.

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Page 361

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Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a number of people, but first I would like to recognize several of my constituents first. Dr. George Gibson and I believe Dusty and Mrs. Miller, but I believe they are in Mr. Henry 's riding, so forgive me for that. I will introduce several other people and then Mr. Henry may wish to introduce some. Pete Fraser, Bea Campbell, Lloyd Brunes, who Mrs. Groenewegen has referenced, Dusty and Mrs. Miller, Gladys Eggenberger, Annie Yourchenko, Diane Mercredi and Cathy Praamsma and that is all we can see from down here, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am no longer sitting beside my colleague, Mr. Ootes , but he still recognizes some of my constituents. I would also like to rise to recognize Mrs. Bea Campbell, president of the NWT Seniors Society and a long-time resident of Fort Smith.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have a great viewing position from this location, but for all the wonderful residents of Yellowknife South that my colleague, Mr. Ootes , neglected to mention, I would recognize them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think there may be only two other people left that Mr. Ootes forgot to mention.

--Laughter

They are most probably Mr. Ootes 's constituents so I had better recognize them on his behalf.

--Laughter

I would like to recognize a pioneer from Yellowknife, Mr. D'arcy Arden, and his wife, June Van Dine.

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Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just in case we missed somebody, I would like to recognize those people that have not been recognized.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Rabesca .

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, too would like to recognize some long-time associates with some of the elders in Yellowknife, such members as Dusty Miller and a long-time resident of Yellowknife, and no stranger to this Assembly, Mr. Pete Fraser from Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Thank you. Recognitions of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. While I do not have the opportunity to see who is in the gallery as well as Mr. Henry , I would like to welcome all of the guests up there who are from the Yellowknife North constituency. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize Pete Fraser, a former Member of the House, a

resident of Fort Resolution who just moved to Yellowknife, as well as the other elders in the gallery. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 132-13(7): Vacancies On NWT Development Corporation Board Of Directors

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Speaker, we heard the other day that the NWT Development Corporation Act stipulates that there must be a minimum of seven board members appointed at any one time. On Friday, the Minister for the NWT Development Corporation said that it was not really a breach to have less than a full board, that Members have resigned because of division, so the board has less than the minimum required. When he was asked when there last was a minimum of seven board members, he indicated he did not know so he took the question as notice.

On Monday, in reply to another question, he said that there had only been five board members since 1996, which of course we all know is less then seven. There had been only five board members since 1996 even thought the staff had brought this up several times. What he was saying, is that since he is the person responsible for appointing board members, is that he had refused to adhere to the act for at least two years. He deliberately disregarded the act where it says there are supposed to be seven board members, so what I would like to ask the Minister is, who advises the Minister which parts of the act to adhere to and which parts to disregard? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the board members of the Development Corporation are appointed by the Commissioner, Executive Council. My job as a Minister is to politically ask Members of the Legislature to forward names for consideration by Cabinet for appointment to the board. I have been doing that since my appointment to this portfolio, and Members have not always come up with names. We have waited, sometimes months, for good names to come forward.

The president of the Development Corporation, in my view, is the chief executive officer of the Corporation and it is the president that has been advising me over the last few years when we have not had a minimum of seven appointed. Each time that was done, letters were sent out to Members of the Legislature asking for nominees to be put forward.

My understanding is that a breach is considered, at least by the legal advice I have received to date, perhaps too strong a term. Not complying with the act is much more my preference. So we have not been complying with the act in making sure the minimum of seven were, but there is absolutely no doubt there has been a concerted effort on my part to make sure the Executive Council was able to comply with the act by trying to advance names, by soliciting names from Members, and by sending letters out. That has been, in

summary, what we have been doing. It is my view that Cabinet is responsible for ensuring that the board is properly constituted at all times. It is not the prerogative of the president or myself as a Minister to advance names, appoint names without politically seeking the support and nominees from the Members of the Legislature, and we also require that the Cabinet endorses and appoints those members. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had asked the Minister who advises him on which parts of the act to adhere to and which parts to disregard, but he disregarded that question and did not answer it, so what I will ask him now, is what criteria he uses when he wants to disregard

an act that governs his department or Crown corporation that he is responsible for? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is no intent on my part as a Minister, no intent on the part of Cabinet, not to comply with the act as it is set out. There is no intent whatsoever, thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister indicated there was no intent to disregard any part of any act. At this time then, I would like to ask the Minister if he wants to inform us of any other parts of the NWT Development Corporation Act that he is currently disregarding.

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if the Member is fishing then I do not think it is the responsible way to go. If there is something specific that he wishes to ask me about, I would be quite happy to try and answer the question. Members of the Legislature should be aware that following concerns by the auditor general, the Financial Management Board, in February, directed that I undertake an operational audit of the Development Corporation. That is underway at this time, it will be conducted and we will look at the way the Development Corporation has operated in the last few years, since there are major concerns with the auditor general that need to be addressed. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr.

Erasmus.

Point of Order

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of order. The Minister had indicated that I am fishing. I do not stand here today with any fishing gear in my hands. I stand here asking him questions and replies to the answers he is giving us. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Are you going to come up with your point of order? Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had intended to mention that the Minister is inferring motives that I am simply fishing. I am simply asking questions in response to the answers that he is providing and that is all I am doing. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. There is nothing there to impute motive. Again, perhaps the Member is overreacting. These are normal questions and normal responses by the Minister. In all jurisdictions the Members ask questions, they are fishing, or they might not be fishing, but normally that is the principle of question period is to ask, to fish and to do whatever you can to get the fish. There is no point of order. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Miltenberger . It is in regard to the Member's statement that I made where the community of Tsiigehtchic find themselves in a pretty grave situation, where they have lost their principal and also a teacher because of a medical emergency. The individual was medevaced out of Tsiigehtchic along with his wife, and who may not be returning because of the emergency. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister exactly what can his department do to assist the community of Tsiigehtchic?

They have not heard anything back from the divisional board of education in Inuvik, they have not gone into the community to see how they can assist, so I would like to ask the Minister what can he do as the Minister of Education to assist the community of Tsiigehtchic in this grave time of emergency, especially in consideration of the quality of education and the welfare of the children of Tsiigehtchic to conclude this school year? Can the Minister state exactly what he can do to assist the community of Tsiigehtchic?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I first became aware of this issue as the Member was making his statement and what I can tell the Member is that, in fact, senior officials from the department here are in contact with the DEC. We are aware of the situation and we are attempting to locate teachers as we speak until at least the end of the school year. We will see what happens with the medical emergency that my colleague mentioned and we are going to be making every effort to try to find from a rapidly shrinking pool, mind you, of teachers, to go in to fill in as soon as we possibly can so that, in fact, there is no loss of any educational time in the community. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to hear that from the Minister, but I would like to get some assurances from the Minister that the individuals that they do send into the community are qualified and do have their doctorate in education, or whatnot, so we do have qualified teachers in the community to assist at this time.

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Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a fast-breaking issue. My latest note is, in fact, that there are a couple of teachers being interviewed tonight about possibly going up to the community. We are hopeful that we can get teachers in there in the next day or so to address this issue. I will make a commitment, as well, to keep the Member fully apprised of all and any developments that are happening in this regard, now that I am aware of it. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to this incident, which is an emergency, I believe that no one knew that this would happen, I would like to ask the Minister since the community was without a principal and a teacher for two weeks, does the department have a policy to deal with such emergencies, so when there is an incident such as this in Tsiigehtchic that the government can respond a lot faster to fill in these vacancies?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I must confess I am not aware of a policy, if one exists. I know that our intent is that when an emergency arises we bring all of our resources and forces to bear to try to deal with it. We do not have a pool of teachers that we can just tap into that are on a sort of casual substitute basis, unfortunately, but the department, like all departments in the government, wants to respond as quickly and expediently as it can to any emergency that arises, such as this. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe this is an incident where I would suggest maybe we consider, or the Minister considers, looking at such a policy so that when other emergencies do occur in the future that this department is prepared and ready to deal with the incident, and that we have some contingency plans in place so that we are able to react a lot sooner.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am always ready to take good suggestions like my colleague has put on the table and I will take that suggestion to my department and we will look at what we can do to, in fact, make sure that we are prepared. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 134-13(7): Appointment Of Development Corporation Presidents

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There has been some questioning the day before yesterday, yesterday and today on the Development Corporation of the Northwest Territories and the Minister mentioned earlier that some methodology by which members are appointed to the board. I have a number of questions on the Development Corporation, Mr. Speaker. Some concern the board and some concern the reference to some financial matters. My first question, though, concerns the appointment of the executives. Could the Minister tell me how and who appointed the previous president, I believe, of the corporation, Mr. Soloy?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Again I want to remind the Members that you could be having another question besides the appointment to the board. If it is, it will be a new question. I will not allow the Members to have two different questions in the same if you have a

preamble, you say your

preamble and then three supplementaries on that. The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe the former Premier made the decision to appoint Mr. Soloy. The present Premier made the decision to appoint Mr. Koe as the new president. The decision to have Mr. Soloy terminate his employment with our government was initiated by our Premier in consultation with myself. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Point of order. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I believe that this Minister is deliberately misleading this House and the reason I say that, Mr. Speaker, is when he answered my colleague just a few minutes ago on board appointments he said at that time it is the responsibility of Cabinet to do that, of Cabinet and Executive Council. Those were his exact words. Now, in answering Mr. Ootes on his question, he is saying it is the responsibility of the Premier to do that. Ultimately, it is the recommendation of any given Minister that is in charge of the responsibility to Cabinet.

Then Cabinet will pass a motion on whether or not they accept that. By doing this and saying this he is deliberately misleading this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I would like to remind the Members, first of all, regarding information and decisions of Cabinet, Members must not ask or seek information about matters that are secret, such as the decision or proceedings of Cabinet. Also, with regard to the reference to Premiers, we have Members in this House that have served in those capacities and it is a very delicate and dangerous situation in which we have to be careful how we address questions, as well as respond, knowing full well that we do have Members that have served on Cabinet, as well as served as Ordinary Members.

We do not have a point of order, but I would be very careful on how we ask questions. If Members wish to ask questions on the legislation that governs certain departments and the responsibility of those Ministers in those areas, then you can ask, but for Members to ask on proceedings of Cabinet, it will not be allowed. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes . Mr. Henry .

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Question 135-13(7): Rental Of Restricted And Adult Movies To Youth

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Page 364

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will lighten up just a little bit. My question is to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen . Earlier today I expressed concerns about the lack of legislation in the Northwest Territories preventing the rental of restricted adult videos to children. Other jurisdictions in Canada have included provisions for restricting video rentals in their motion picture legislation. Recently the NWT revised its legislation dealing with movie classifications. I was wondering if the Minister could supply the rationale as to why video movies were not addressed in that new legislation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I do not know if we have any jurisdiction regarding the licensing of videos, but Mr. Steen , do you wish to answer? The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have that information and I will try and get back to the Member. The question is taken as notice.

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Samuel Gargan

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Question 136-13(7): Tulita Hotel Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of RWED . Mr. Minister, I know that you are very busy and I know that you cannot pay attention to the complete details of every given nook and cranny of your department, but I also

see from the presentation that was given to our committee that the Sahtu region, which you are also MLA for, has several projects from the NWT Development Corporation. One of those projects is called Two River Development Group Ltd., Tulita Hotel. Is the Minister aware of this project and, if so, has the Minister ever been involved in any decision-making on this project? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi . Two questions.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware of the project and generally the history, the development of the project at the time that the department and the Development Corporation were, perhaps, asked to intervene. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Was the Minister's office involved in giving any direction for this project, Two River Development Group Ltd., Tulita Hotel? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The project in Tulita was a community initiative that sought to establish a hotel in the community, a community that required a hotel to be established. As I recall, the project was underway and construction had already started when, because of design deficiencies, there were cost overruns that were incurred and the government, I think myself as a Minister, was approached for assistance.

The question was put to the department and I believe discussions were held with the Development Corporation as well that saw both the department and the Development Corporation initiate some action to address the difficulties that, that project faced in the latter part of construction. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Minister for the answer and I commend the department as well as the Development Corporation for assisting the community of Tulita. It is a community project. The Minister gave us quite a bit of detail on this community project in the Sahtu. Does the Minister pay more attention to the detail of the projects in his riding than they do in any other riding? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to think that I pay attention to all the community initiatives and projects that I am responsible for. I have been advised that some Members of the Legislature were keenly interested in looking for a possible reason which I, as a Minister, may have tried to keep heavy benefits in my constituency as a result of myself being responsible for the Development Corporation and the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. So I had, some time ago, reviewed all areas where money had been spent in my department and in the Development Corporation in my constituency to see if, inadvertently, I might have used my position.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Point of order, Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On a point of order, the Minister just said that there were Members on this side of the House basically that are looking to see if he was basically pork-barrelling his riding as a Minister, to put it in simple words. Mr. Speaker, the only reason that we ask questions from this side of the House is to get information. This Minister is no different than any other Member on this side of the House. He has every right to have money, government money, spent in his riding. There is no question about that. So I take issue, Mr. Speaker, on him imputing motives.

All we are doing is asking for information. I do not care if he spends money in his riding, as long as proper programs and proper policies are followed in this government, money can be spent in the Sahtu, and it should be spent in the Sahtu just like it should be spent in any other riding. But I do take issue, Mr. Speaker, on him imputing the motive that what we are doing is trying to show the public in general that he is pork-barrelling. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Again, we do not have a point of order. The Minister is only responding to what the Member for Tu Nedhe said. You have to be careful when you make reference to imputing a motive. That line with regard to imputing motive or casting aspirations upon any person could be seen if the Member for Tu Nedhe is suggesting that he is paying special attention to his constituency as a Minister. That is imputing a motive. The Minister is only responding to what would be considered, like, if any Member rose on a point, then there might have been imputing a motive here.

But the Minister is only responding to what would be considered that motive. Mr. Kakfwi , I know that you were still responding when there was a point of order raised.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the good members of the public as well as this Legislature, I think, always have to be vigilant in ensuring that, as Ministers, we go about carrying out our duties as fairly and as impartially as possible. So it holds equally that those that may hypothetically want to see my demise are in the same position as those who want to see me excel in my ministerial duties by pointing out those things that I am doing deficiently and those things I am sort of going overboard on, to make sure that all of us remain vigilant in ensuring that we, as Ministers, carry out our duties in as fair a way as possible.

I take that very seriously. That is why I always ask my staff to make sure the decisions that I make and am involved in are always reviewed by everyone that I work with to ensure that there is no way that anyone can impute that I am doing it for self-serving reasons. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 137-13(7): Oil And Gas Exploration

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . It has to do with oil and gas exploration. On a very positive note, we have much activity going on in the south Mackenzie in the area of oil and gas exploration. What role does this government play in the approval process for applications for oil and gas exploration, companies coming in from other jurisdictions to perform oil and gas exploration? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This government has no jurisdiction in regard to land and waters, exploration permits, any type of authority governing the activities of oil and gas and exploration companies in the Northwest Territories. What our department does is keep informed about the interest, the environment under which exploration companies have to operate, to lobby for benefits for communities to ensure that the oil companies, as well as our communities and business people, have the best possible environment under which to engage in business dialogue so that any possible benefits, if there are to be any, can be reaped by our people here in the north. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary. Mrs Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If not in the approval process, does our government have any role to play whereby the benefits to which the Minister is referring are ensured through the application process? Is there anything in the actual application process which guarantees or requires or makes it mandatory that northerners and northern companies benefit from these operations taking place in our territory? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are different processes that are followed. In the case of lands that are covered by comprehensive claims agreements, very often the benefits packages are expected to be negotiated with the claimant groups. In cases outside regions like the Deh Cho and the South Slave, particularly Deh Cho, where there is no claim in place, federal legislation covers the benefits that should flow to communities that are neighbouring the area where the exploration permit is granted, or the exploration licence. And very often, the exploration licence is granted and then the company is expected, after the fact, to negotiate a benefits package with communities. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, does the Minister, through his department, have any way of policing or following up, monitoring would be a better word, whether or not these negotiations with the beneficiary communities are followed through on by these companies after the fact? After their application has been approved and they have commenced work in the area what, if any, monitoring function does this government have? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do not have any monitoring function, but we do keep in touch with the oil companies, the companies operating and the communities involved to ensure that the relationship, that if there is one, and the commitments made by the two parties are adhered to and if there are difficulties, then to offer our support and assistance to make sure that the benefits and the commitments made, the understanding that is reached, is adhered to by both parties. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in some instances where drilling and oil and gas exploration companies have come into the Northwest Territories, I have heard from my constituents, business constituents in Hay River, that their names, their company names were used as a part of an application process. They were not always aware that their company name was being used as a supplier of goods or services and that they may have inadvertently or coincidentally come upon this information. Is there any process or activity of the Minister's department that could close that gap and preclude that kind of thing from happening? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that we can look at this with the federal government, federal officials that work to make sure that their federal legislation is complied with, to see what we can do to make sure that it is actually being complied with and benefits are to flow and people are mentioned as possible beneficiaries of exploration programs that they, in fact, are real beneficiaries. Thank you.

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Question 138-13(7): Treatment Referral Methods

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the question I asked the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland , on Friday, April 23rd, 1999, support for the Tl'oondih Healing Society, the Minister states, "I would like to assure Members that the department is in no way intending to centralize the services that are out there." But, Mr.

Speaker, I received a letter from the Inuvik Regional Health Board in which they moved a motion which basically states that the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services Boards wish to express their concerns with the Department of Health and Social Services decision to give all health treatment per diem rates directly to Nats' ejee K'eh treatment facility, and we feel that equitable responsibility of their treatment services may be affected because there is no cost effort to individual boards.

Then there is a motion which was passed that directs that the Minister be asked to return northern referral treatment dollars to Inuvik Region Health and Social Services Board for administration of our regional needs. I would like to ask the Minister, on the one hand, he is saying that there are no drastic changes to the Department of Health and Social Services when it comes to treatment dollars, yet there is a motion from the Inuvik Regional Health Board which states exactly that is happening. Can the Minister state exactly what is happening within his department?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do indeed stand by what I said earlier in response to the Member on a question of funding that we are not intending to centralize the services provided to residents of the Northwest Territories. This is an interim measure that was taken in respect to the funding situation and concerns raised with one of our facilities in the territories. The referrals for treatment to the facility will continue to be processed by the boards and, at this existing time, I have been made aware that funding is being held at headquarters, but the referral process will still happen through the boards. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, for one, thought this government was looking in the way of community empowerment and regionalizing programs and services to assist regions and communities to deal with their problems at home or within the region. So does this Minister state that there will be no opportunities in the future for regional health boards or regional organizations to take on the role of dealing with alcohol and drug treatment in the regional centres?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, as Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, am not and will not be doing work or directing the staff to be working in any way which would reduce services to the regions. In fact, we will continue to see what we can do to improve services in the region. The step that has been taken has just been a recent and interim measure as a result of concerns raised with, as I said earlier, one of our facilities and its possible re-profiling which remains or leaves us, in this territory, with one facility.

But we will be looking at how we provide services to residents in regions and communities, and that will also be looked at part of the Minister's Forum that will be going out this spring. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the Minister's Forum dealing with health and social services, the Minister states that they will be considering health services and drug and alcohol programs as part of the criteria for this committee to consider. Are there any other drastic changes that we can be made aware of which are presently in the works before this committee gets struck and goes out for public hearings?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this incident that has happened with the referral dollars being held at headquarters is a temporary one and will not be happening for the long term. As I said earlier, we are looking at the impacts of re-profiling a facility. I have committed again, as stated by the Member, that through the Minister's Forum that will be going out, we will be looking at how we deliver services to regions and communities and how we can best get the quality that the people are looking for without having an impact on the dollars that are available today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me what is the status of the other alcohol treatment centres which are presently out there? If this is an emergency situation, what implications does this have on the other treatment facilities which we presently have in the Northwest Territories such as the ones in Yellowknife and the Hay River treatment facilities? Can the Minister tell me exactly what is the problem with these treatment facilities we presently have in place?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The facilities we have in the Northwest Territories, the one in Hay River, Nats' Ejee K'eh, is operating in a satisfactory manner and will continue to do so. I believe that their program is highly subscribed to and will continue to be so. The NAS facility is undergoing some review as to what we can, as the Department of Health and Social Services, carry out at that facility, and that is ongoing at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 139-13(7): Auditor General's Report On Development Corporation Operations

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to again address some questions to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development on the matter of the NWT Development Corporation. The auditor general, Mr. Speaker, prepared a report for March, 1996, which was issued in the summer of 1997 and made available to us that fall. In that report, the auditor general, in the early part of his review of the Development Corporation, made reference to a number of areas. The first one was, it said "set specific measurable objectives for each business or corporate activity as part of the overall mandate".

My question for the Minister is, were measurable objectives prepared by the board and the president of the Development Corporation for the marketing operations in the south? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Following the concerns by the auditor general in his report that was given to us as a government, there were procedures set out for approving the business plans of each of the subsidiaries. We asked that each subsidiary develop a business plan which would include all the financial information including projected revenues and expenses, that these plans would then be reviewed and evaluated by the subsidiary managers and the business advisors within the NWT Development Corporation.

The business plans would then go and be reviewed and approved by the corporation president and given then to the board of directors for their consideration and approval. It would then also go to the Minister and the Financial Management Board. We also set out that the Minister should submit a list of the recommended contribution agreements for each subsidiary to the Financial Management Board for approval. Those were the processes used in considering the measurable objectives that were asked for by the auditor general.

For the marketing operations down south, one of the major indicators of success, we thought, was the amount of sales generated and if those exceeded the cost of operations, that would tell us whether we are making a profit or not. I am not sure if Members are aware, but we did set up these outlets so that there were weekly and monthly figures coming out, so that the president could monitor very closely the performance of each of these outlets down to the point of tracking the sales. The fact is, all these outlets, even with subsidies, were losing money generously.

That led to the decision by the executive of the Arctic Canada Trading Company to begin shutting down those outlets and for Arctic Canada Trading to look at other ways to market and sell our products. Thank you.

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