Debates of Jan. 27th, 2010

This is page numbers 3749 – 3778 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was territories .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 41-16(4): NWT Caribou Conservation Measures

Minister’s Statement 42-16(4): Deh Cho Bridge Project

Minister’s Statement 43-16(4): Mackenzie Gas Project

Minister’s Statement 44-16(4): Notice Of Budget Address

Passing Of Respected Elder Maurice Lockhart

Home-Grown Solutions To Northern Issues

Pan-Territorial Approach To Workers’ Compensation

Mackenzie Gas Project

Condolences To Nunakput Constituents On Passing Of Family Members

Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

Family Literacy Day

Achievements And Contributions Of Lena Pedersen

Condolences To Sahtu Constituents On Passing Of Family Members

Session Priorities

100th Anniversary Of The Hamlet Of Aklavik

Recognitions of Visitors in the Gallery

Clawback Of Income Earned By Gwich’in Elders

Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

Caribou Conservation Measures

Discretionary Decision Making In The Application Of Housing Policies

Mackenzie Gas Project

Impact Of New GNWT Financial System On Income Support Clients

Pan-Territorial Approach To Workers’ Compensation

Returns to Written Questions

Return To Written Question 2-16(4): On-The-Land Alcohol And Drug Treatment Programs

Return To Written Question 3-16(4): Details On Contracts Awarded To Former Ministers

Return To Written Question 4-16(4): Contracts To Former Members Of The Legislative Assembly And Senior Staff

Return To Written Question 6-16(4): Total Cost Of Ecole Allain St-Cyr Expansion

Return To Written Question 7-16(4): Breakdown Of Health Professional Visits To Tsiigehtchic

Return To Written Question 8-16(4): Vacancy Of Public Housing Units

Return To Written Question 9-16(4): Renewable Energy And Cost Of Living Initiatives In The Sahtu Region

Return To Written Question 10-16(4): Infrastructure In The Sahtu Region

Return To Written Question 11-16(4): Income Support Services In Tsiigehtchic

Return To Written Question 12-16(4): GNWT Science Agenda

Return To Written Question 13-16(4): Sahtu Students’ Academic Achievement Levels

Bill 2: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 2009-2010

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Child And Family Services Act Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The

Summary Convictions Act

Tabled Document 56-16(4): Breakdown Of Health Professional Visits To Tsiigehtchic 2008-2009

Tabled Document 57-16(4): NWT Housing Corporation – Public Housing Vacancy Status

Tabled Document 58-16(4): NWT Law Foundation Annual Report For The Fiscal Year Ending June 30, 2009 Tabled Document 59-16(4): Aurora College 2008-2009 Annual Report

Tabled Document 60-16(4): Pension Administration Report – Retiring Allowances Act And Supplementary Retiring Allowances Act March 31, 2009

Tabled Document 61-16(4): Response To Petition 1-16(4): Privatization Or Merger Of The NWT Power Corporation

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:34 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Please be seated. Good afternoon, colleagues, and welcome back as we resume the Fourth Session of the 16th Legislative Assembly.

I know that you have met together in committees earlier this month, but as this is the first time in 2010 that we have come together in this Chamber, I trust it is not too late to extend my personal best wishes to you and to your families and, indeed, to all the residents of the Northwest Territories for a happy and healthy New Year.

On a much sadder note, I wish to extend the sincere sympathies of this House to those affected by the devastating earthquake in Haiti. Although it seems like a great distance exists between Haiti and the NWT, watching the devastation that has occurred draws us all together. We send our thoughts and prayers to the people of Haiti as they attempt to carry on in the face of this disaster.

I also know that some of us have lost friends and loved ones since we were last in this Chamber, and I want to pass on my sincere condolences to the families and communities affected and to let them know that my thoughts and prayers are with them.

I know you are eager to turn your attention to the work at hand, colleagues, and I will close with my customary request. I ask that we work together, as always, in the best interests of the people of the Northwest Territories and that we work with dignity and respect for the institution, for each other and for our constituents.

It is now my duty to advise this House that I have received the following message from the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. It reads:

Dear Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise that I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories, the passage of:

Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2010-2011;

Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 4, 2009-2010;

Supplementary Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2009-2010; and

Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2010-2011

during the Fourth Session of the 16tth Legislative Assembly.

Yours truly, Anthony, W.J. Whitford, Commissioner.

Thank you, colleagues.

Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger . .

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Minister’s Statement 41-16(4): NWT Caribou Conservation Measures

Ministers’ Statements

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, for the last four years Environment and Natural Resources has been working with wildlife co-management boards, aboriginal governments and organizations, communities and user groups, to share information on declining barren-ground caribou herds and develop and implement conservation measures. These have been very difficult decisions but there has been a willingness to work together so that this valuable resource can be sustained for future generations.

As Members are aware, the GNWT, through the NWT Act, has a responsibility to manage game in the NWT. In implementing conservation actions, our government recognizes and respects aboriginal harvesting rights as set out in land claim agreements and treaties and as protected by the Canadian Constitution. The emergency measures implemented January 1st are intended to ensure the

long-term survival of caribou herds so that these rights can indeed be exercised by current and future generations.

I would like to inform Members what has been accomplished by working together and what

remains to be done to conserve caribou in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, caribou numbers cycle over time and both traditional and scientific knowledge have documented these changes. Many factors influence these cycles but there are only a few factors that humans can control. Mr. Speaker, I must stress when caribou numbers are low, the level of harvest will influence the rate of recovery.

In 2005 and 2006 surveys to obtain new estimates of the Cape Bathurst, Bluenose-West, Bluenose-East and Bathurst caribou herds indicated these herds were all in serious decline.

After the 2005 surveys the Inuvialuit, Gwich’in and Sahtu wildlife co-management boards recommended that all resident and outfitted hunting for barren-ground caribou from the Cape Bathurst, Bluenose-West and Bluenose-East cease in their regions. These regulation changes were made in 2006.

After the 2006 surveys the Inuvialuit Wildlife Management Advisory Council (NWT) recommended that all hunting of the Cape Bathurst herd cease. For the Bluenose-West herd, the Inuvialuit, Gwich’in and Sahtu wildlife co-management boards recommended that a total allowable harvest be established at 4 percent of the 2006 herd estimate. This meant a total of 720 tags. The boards had previously developed a formula based on historic harvest to allocate any quota among the three regions. These were implemented in 2007 and 2009.

The good news in 2009 was when new estimates of the Cape Bathurst and Bluenose-West herds were obtained, this data showed that management actions, in combination with good calf survival, had stopped the herds from declining further.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the other herds in the Northwest Territories.

In 2006 the Bluenose-East herd numbered around 66,000 and the Sahtu Renewable Resources Board recommended that hunters should work towards a voluntary total allowable harvest of 4 percent. In 2009 weather prevented completion of a survey to update Bluenose East herd’s estimates; however, there are no indications to suggest this herd has increased.

The Ahiak herd, which is shared with Nunavut and Saskatchewan, has also declined. For the past four years surveys to delineate the calving area have been undertaken and a trend analysis shows a 60 percent decline over the four years.

Unfortunately, weather this past year did not allow for a full survey of the Porcupine herd. Despite this, the GNWT continues to work with the parties to the Porcupine Caribou Management Agreement on the

development of a long-term harvest management plan.

In 1994 survey results indicated that the Beverly herd was estimated at 276,000. Systemic reconnaissance surveys of the Beverly calving grounds in 2007, 2008 and 2009 indicate that the Beverly herd has all but disappeared. Limited collar information suggests that some of the last Beverly cows have shifted to the range of the much larger Ahiak herd.

However, our gravest and most immediate concern today is for the Bathurst herd, which ranges between Great Slave Lake and Bathurst Inlet. The 2009 survey showed a drastic decline to 32,000 caribou from over 100,000 in 2006. In the 1980s this herd numbered well over 400,000 animals. Small steps were taken in 2007 to reduce both the resident and outfitted harvest. Resident tags were reduced from five to two and only males could be hunted. The number of outfitter tags was reduced from 1,500 to 750.

The department had submitted a proposal for management actions through the Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board to keep harvests below 4 percent of the herd estimate. However, significant public controversy prevented further action.

To address these concerns, a peer review of territorial caribou studies was undertaken by the Alberta Research Council. The peer review recommended some improvements, but, overall, outlined that survey methods were sound and that the data indicating declines were occurring was solid.

In accordance with the Tlicho Agreement, the department and the Tlicho Government submitted a joint proposal for management actions to the Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board in November 2009. These actions related to the three caribou herds that spend part of their winters in the Wekeezhii. Agreement was reached on actions related to resident and outfitted harvests, but there was not agreement on actions related to aboriginal harvests in Wekeezhii.

The department then set up meetings to consult on the joint proposal with communities and user groups in November and December. It was anticipated that recommendations from the board might be received late in 2009, in time to address the winter hunt, which is when the majority of caribou are taken. In early December it became apparent that recommendations would not be received until April 2010 and so the department began to consider the need for interim emergency measures.

In mid-December the department met with aboriginal organizations in the North Slave region to discuss the interim emergency measures and how to address hardships that might result. On January 1, 2010, the interim emergency measures changes were implemented. These were focused

on creating a no-hunting zone where the Bathurst herd was wintering, and eliminating resident and outfitted harvests throughout the North and South Slave regions to reduce the pressure on the neighbouring Bluenose-East and Ahiak herds. Radio and print ads were placed in mid-December to inform people. Aerial and land patrols were undertaken.

The Tlicho Government has been supportive of these interim measures and the Tlicho communities are accessing financial assistance to undertake community hunts and reconnaissance flights. This has been a very difficult but necessary decision by the Tlicho Government.

The Yellowknives Dene First Nation has also recognized the caribou need help. They were the first to take a leadership role when they cancelled their fall caribou hunt. The department continues to meet with the Yellowknives Dene First Nation to address their concerns related to the interim measures.

It is important to note that no rights are absolute. All treaty and aboriginal rights are subject to government measures to ensure conservation. Where conservation measures actions may affect aboriginal harvesting rights, ENR is working directly with the aboriginal governments and organizations to develop solutions that will protect, preserve and ensure the survival of caribou for future generations. It is our responsibility as a government to protect the vulnerable population that without conservation measures may well become extinct in a few short years.

The next step will be the public hearing to be held by the Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board on March 22 to 26, 2010. Recommendations are expected by early June and the department will consult with the Tlicho Government on implementation.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, the department will take steps to work cooperatively with co-management boards to address overlap issues associated with this valuable resource. In 2010 surveys will be undertaken to obtain a new estimate for the Bluenose-East and Ahiak herds. These herds are shared by communities from the Kitikmeot, Inuvialuit, Sahtu, Tlicho, North Slave, South Slave and northern Saskatchewan. The department will work with boards, users and governments to share information and assess management actions.

I look forward to support from Members, aboriginal governments and our co-management partners as we navigate these challenging waters. At the end of the day, Mr. Speaker, we are looking for the same thing: a way to help these herds survive so they in turn can help sustain current and future generations. Thank you.

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Minister’s Statement 41-16(4): NWT Caribou Conservation Measures

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 42-16(4): Deh Cho Bridge Project

Ministers’ Statements

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased to rise today to provide Members and the public with information on the progress made to date on the Deh Cho Bridge Project.

The Deh Cho Bridge Project is being undertaken as a public-private partnership with the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation, which is owned by the Dene and Metis of the community of Fort Providence. In years to come I expect the Deh Cho Bridge will be a symbol of what can be accomplished through community partnerships.

This project has had its share of challenges, but these challenges have been effectively addressed as they have arisen. As a result, I am pleased to note that the project is now 50 percent complete and will soon reach a significant milestone: the completion of the foundation work. That will be the point at which we are out of the water, leaving behind the highest risk component of the entire project.

We’ve also undertaken a detailed review of the bridge superstructure design. The review, which is now essentially complete, will result in a design that is more conventional, simpler to construct and at a lower cost. The new design will ensure that the bridge will serve us well for its entire expected lifespan of 75 years.

The project is on track for completion by November 2011, one year later than originally planned. We will soon have a new general contractor able to complete the remaining two years of the project. The Government of the Northwest Territories and our partner, the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation, have, therefore, risen above the challenges which we have been presented and are ready to complete this project, with benefits to the people of the North Slave region and to all the residents of the Northwest Territories.

The Deh Cho Bridge Project has been talked about and planned for over 50 years. From the time the highway was constructed connecting Yellowknife to the rest of Canada, it has been recognized that the economic life of the North Slave region was connected to the rest of the Northwest Territories by a very fragile thread, with seasonal and occasional interruptions in service affecting road transportation and travel for several weeks of the year.

Through this public-private partnership, the Government of the Northwest Territories at last received the means to move forward with this

important piece of infrastructure, without depleting our limited capital resources which are needed for infrastructure requirements in other parts of the Northwest Territories.

Many benefits come from the construction of the Deh Cho Bridge. Some of the examples include an all-weather road access to and from the North Slave region that will be available for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, and no longer will travellers have to choose air transportation or put off travelling altogether because they chose the wrong time of the year to cross the Mackenzie River.

The bridge toll was also set so that the economic benefits associated with the bridge will be greater than the cost of the toll. The bridge will result in savings from efficiencies and trucking operations. Commercial carriers will be able to operate their fleet year round without interruptions for breakup or during freeze-up. Their drivers will be able to travel the highway 24 hours a day, without overnight waits or even the wait for the ferry to get to their side. More competition can be expected as the risks associated with freight transportation over a ferry and ice crossing system is reduced.

A more efficient trucking system will further reduce the costs for businesses, industries and individuals in the North Slave region.

And let us not forget the environmental and safety risks that exist any time you operate a ferry service or an ice bridge. The risk of fuel spills will be substantially reduced once a permanent bridge is in place. Idling vehicles waiting for the ferry will also no longer be necessary. The need for approximately half a million litres of fuel currently being used by the Merv Hardie will be eliminated, helping the GNWT to meet its greenhouse gas reduction targets, and damage to the ferry from ice will no longer be an occurrence.

There are other benefits that arise any time you improve transportation infrastructure. Residents lose the sense of isolation that comes from being unable to travel when and where one chooses. Potential investors will look more seriously at the region with a reliable transportation system. Employment and economic opportunities increase and people everywhere in the Northwest Territories benefit.

We are looking to the future of the Deh Cho Bridge Project with confidence. A key piece of infrastructure will be put in place without sacrificing roads and bridges that are needed in other parts of the Territory. The completion of the bridge will be a significant achievement for the government and people of the Northwest Territories. In less than two years this will be a reality. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 42-16(4): Deh Cho Bridge Project

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism, and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 43-16(4): Mackenzie Gas Project

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, we have reached a crucial milestone with the Mackenzie Gas Project.

On December 30, 2009, the Joint Review Panel released its long awaited report assessing the environmental and social impacts of the MGP.

What I will talk about today is what this government is doing, and has done, to ensure our work on this project is timely and efficient. And I will talk about the potential benefits this proposed project, if done in an environmentally and socially responsible manner, could bring to the Northwest Territories and to Canada. But I am not here today to focus on this report and the response our government is preparing, since the lead department for this is Environment and Natural Resources.

Mr. Speaker, the GNWT was prepared for this report upon its release and we were able to start working on it right away. This government has dedicated significant resources to prepare a response to the report, and we are committed to delivering that response in a timely manner in accordance with the June 2002 cooperation plan. We also await the National Energy Board’s decisions on this project, which is expected by the end of this year.

Mr. Speaker, we do not know what that decision will be regarding the Mackenzie Gas Project. But if it does proceed – and, again, I stress it will only proceed if it can be done in an environmentally and socially responsible manner -- it will provide economic opportunities, lead to infrastructure development, and has the potential to provide a brighter future for the people of the Northwest Territories for generations to come.

It will also offer opportunities for economic diversification, as many of our communities may have access to a secure supply of clean and affordable natural gas.

Aboriginal people of the Northwest Territories in particular, through direct ownership of the pipeline through the Aboriginal Pipeline Group, stand on the cusp of an unprecedented era of sustained prosperity and growth.

Mr. Speaker, the Mackenzie Gas Project will also create jobs, much needed jobs, not just for the Northwest Territories but for the entire country. These jobs will help the Canadian economy recover from the recession that has gripped it for the past two years. The establishment of a related economic activity in the NWT will sustain that recovery for decades.

The project can also help in the fight against climate change, by increasing the continental supply of natural gas, thereby allowing natural gas

to replace dirty coal as the fuel of choice at hundreds of power plants. And our Arctic gas resources will be a critical element in the overall natural gas supply mix, providing a cleaner, more secure energy source for the entire continent.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to conclude my statement by emphasizing once again that done right, the Mackenzie Gas Project presents the Northwest Territories with tremendous opportunities.

The actions we take over the next few years in working to ensure that -- economically, socially and environmentally -- this proposed project benefits the residents of the Northwest Territories, may well be the most significant contribution the 16th Legislative

Assembly makes in meeting its vision of a thriving, strong and economically sustainable Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 43-16(4): Mackenzie Gas Project

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister’s Statement 44-16(4): Notice Of Budget Address

Ministers’ Statements

Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will deliver the budget address on Thursday, January 28, 2010. Thank you.

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Minister’s Statement 44-16(4): Notice Of Budget Address

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Colleagues, before we proceed, I would like to draw your attention to the visitor’s gallery, to the presence of a former Member of the House. Lena Pedersen is in the Chamber today.

---Applause

Also, colleagues, I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge another milestone in the life of this Legislature and in the life of our Clerk. Please join me in wishing Mr. Mercer a very happy birthday today.

---Applause

I may also suggest that you walk not quite so quickly and speak a little slower so that Mr. Mercer adapts to his advanced years. Thank you, colleagues.

Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Passing Of Respected Elder Maurice Lockhart

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Last year two of our elders and residents of Fort Resolution passed away and just recently the oldest resident of Tu Nedhe, Maurice Lockhart of Lutselk’e, passed away. Maurice Lockhart was born to Baptise and Louise Lockhart just after the first snowfall of winter in Lutselk’e. His true age was never verified but he was baptized in 1910. He was born at a time when there was no modern technology. They didn’t even have canvas, which is very valuable to hunters and trappers.

Mr. Speaker, life is sustained only by what Mother Earth provided, which were heat, caribou hides for clothing, and dog teams for travel, and hunting. Maurice spent most of his life on the land mainly near Timber Bay and Artillery Lake area.

Maurice survived the 1925 flu epidemic and did his part to help others through that difficult time. In 1935 he married Judith Casaway of Luselk’e and built a home on an island near the old Lutselk’e. All of his children were born out on the land. Alfred, Emerence and Joe were born at Tthaili, Felix was born near Lutselk’e and Tom was born in Rocher River.

Maurice lived a nomadic lifestyle, travelling with the seasons to hunt and trap in the vast area. He often took his wife, Judith, to visit her family at Nonacho Lake. Maurice is known as a spiritual man. People would tell him their problems and through his dreams he would help them. He prayed for his family members every day, as well as for the community of Lutselk’e. Maurice was well known for his public speaking at political and social gatherings.

Mr. Speaker, one of Maurice’s greatest passions was the love for music. He loved to imitate people in his fiddling and dancing, and the people of Lutselk’e enjoyed his imitating and loved him. Mr. Speaker, that was evident at his funeral, which I had the privilege to attend. There was both the traditional drum dancing, modern fiddling and square dancing. The whole community and many visiting guests took

part in the last dance to remember and honour Maurice Lockhart.

Please join me in honouring this much respected elder in sending our condolences to the children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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Passing Of Respected Elder Maurice Lockhart

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Home-Grown Solutions To Northern Issues

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are back to the budget session, the longest session, the longest sitting of the year for MLAs. Of course the budget is still under lock and key so we can’t talk about any specifics, although we have certainly had some

part in consulting with the government on what it contains in it, and we can talk about a budget in general terms.

Mr. Speaker, we have extensive resources but we also have considerable challenges. How do we measure the well-being of our Territory? It is usually through landscape glimpses, through statistics, which can report good news or bad news. It is our job as legislators here to apply our resources to the needs of the people that we serve. In doing so, even with the best of intentions, I believe that we fall short in one area. Our constant need to look for direction and solutions to our challenges from without, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars every year, has always been a source of great frustration to me.

We as a government, as a way of doing business, have for too long placed too much stock in a consultant or an expert or some other outside resources through the many, many studies and reviews that we undertake.

Mr. Speaker, when I look at the level of our financial resources and the level of our needs here in the North, I am of the strong belief that many of the answers, many of the solutions reside within our people themselves, but we as a government have inadvertently thwarted greater gains in addressing our needs by depriving our own people, our NGOs, our community governments, our leaders, our elders, of the resources that they need to find local solutions to local problems. We have created a culture of dependency as people look to us for answers, which many times often lie within themselves.

People who are passionate about specific needs have the ability to harness resources and input that cannot be bought with any amount of money. It is their own knowledge, experience, culture and traditional knowledge that they have and possess that I believe is the answer to many of the challenges that we face and do not make enough progress on.

As we consider yet another budget in the next six weeks or so, I believe we need to challenge ourselves about the way that we do business and what challenges for social and economic prosperity go unanswered and remain in the rut of the status quo. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Pan-Territorial Approach To Workers’ Compensation

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year the Whitehorse Chamber of Commerce launched a petition asking their government to consider outsourcing the Yukon’s Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board to B.C. The petition was based on a number of employers complaining that the Yukon premiums are too high.

With little consideration of the matter, in the end neither government supported the petition, possibly because when balancing the significant differences between the provincial and territorial workers’ compensation acts and in considering that B.C. has a significantly larger population and administers the WCB differently, then the province would likely have to set separate rates for the Yukon and administer it differently in a way that may conceivably have the Yukon rates increase to their employers when taking in consideration of the service costs.

Mr. Speaker, the Whitehorse Chamber of Commerce petition may have been rejected, but it’s unfair to compare the Workers’ Compensation Board there to B.C., but there is obviously some discontent among their members in the Yukon business community that their WCB for them is starting to look elsewhere for solutions in other jurisdictions. For some people in our Territory this may sound all too familiar when we talk about high costs of rates.

Mr. Speaker, perhaps there is a mutual solution that lies to the east of the Yukon with perhaps joining the NWT and Nunavut WSCC system. Perhaps someone needs to present a pan-territorial vision for the evolution of the WCB that blends similar rates, experiences, problems, solutions and environment into one system that we all could work together. As we all know, the Northwest Territories and Nunavut already work together under the same legislation and administration and thus we provide a clear and excellent example of a multi-jurisdictional approach that works.

Now, if someone had the audacity to think outside of this opportunity and reach for this chance that could tie us together for a new type of venture that could move towards the future rather than finding ways to divide us, a solution may be found.

Mr. Speaker, people see that the three territories have similar businesses, similar people, similar problems. I don’t believe that we’re so dissimilar that an idea like this couldn’t work. Mr. Speaker, the opportunity really lies before us. Let’s not overlook this potential chance that we could be doing

something great for our people as well as our businesses that employ these people. Mr. Speaker, undoubtedly, we could work together in a way that would protect individual autonomy, but yet work better for all Northerners territory to territory to territory.

Mr. Speaker, later today I’ll have questions for the Minister of WSCC about potentially launching a new venture and new vision for our three territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Mackenzie Gas Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to speak today about the Mackenzie Gas Project.

Last month I had the opportunity to accompany Minister Bob McLeod to Calgary, where we met with proponents of the project and industry representatives. Everyone we met with was still very positive about the future of this project, and I believe now that the Joint Review Panel report has been released the time has arrived for our government to ramp up its efforts to demonstrate the tremendous benefits of this project to this Territory and to everyone in this country.

Minister Bob McLeod has done a great job at championing the cause, but we need to show our support as an entire government body to demonstrate that we fully support the MGP and everything it means to the future of our people and Territory. A motion to that effect is in the works.

This project will represent the beginning of an era of prosperity and growth for our Territory. I would expect that the project would proceed in an environmentally and socially responsible manner which will lead to sustained oil and gas activity, economic and infrastructure development, prosperity, stability, and a brighter future for the people of the Northwest Territories for generations to come. All residents have the potential to benefit from this project, not only through access to jobs and business opportunities during the construction phase but also through sustained opportunities as we see the re-emergence of this industry in the Northwest Territories.

This project and resulting diversification of our economic base can also contribute to governments in the Northwest Territories taking on more of a leadership role and demonstrating that we are capable of managing our own destiny. This will be further evidence to strengthen the argument for shifting responsibility and authority to the people of the Northwest Territories.

The benefits of this project will not only accrue to the Northwest Territories but to other parts of this country, particularly Alberta and Ontario which will

see contributions to the economy in the order of $10 billion and $5 billion respectively. The overall contribution to the Canadian economy is expected to be in the neighbourhood of $86 billion. Make no mistake, the Mackenzie Gas Project will be a nation-building exercise.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted.

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Mackenzie Gas Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

It will address the federal government’s commitment to reducing greenhouse gas emissions, to seeing Canada’s North reach its full potential, and a clear expression of Canada’s commitment to Arctic sovereignty. These are lasting legacies that the federal government cannot continue to overlook.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Condolences To Nunakput Constituents On Passing Of Family Members

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Quyanainni, Mr. Speaker. I always start my Member’s statements by paying respect to the people who have passed away, to their families and friends, since the last sitting of this Assembly.

In the community of Tuktoyaktuk we lost Henry Nasogaluak. I’d like to give condolences to his brothers, David, William, Eli, Joe, and Bill; his sister, Sarah Anderson; and his common-law, Viasha; his young son, Henry; and his two sons, Darryl and Jason, who I grew up with back home. Henry will be sadly missed by Tuk Search and Rescue. Anything that was ever needed by the community in that sort, Henry was always there. He was one of the all-round hunters and one of the best sport hunting guides in the Territory.

I’d also like to give condolences to Mavis Chicksi and her family. Her common-law, Brian; her son, Brian Jr.; Aaron, Petra Lisa Alikamik, and to their family.

I’d also like to pay respects to Angus Kikoak; his mother, Susie; his brother, Steven; his sisters, Brenda, Caroline, Lena, and Violet.

I’d like to pay respects to Andrew Gruben, grandson of Eddie Gruben, who will be sadly missed. Condolences to his mother, Louisa Gruben; his father, Peter Louie; brothers, Peter and Matthew; sisters, Kristena, Liz and Effie. Condolences to you guys back home. It was a tough three months.

In the community of Ulukhaktok three well-respected elders -- Jimmy Memogana, Margaret Egotak, and Harry, her husband -- passed away this past winter. They’ll all sadly be missed. Our

communities are small, very tight-knit communities, where everyone knows everyone.

The communities of Ulukhaktok and Tuk are very small, close-knit. The loss of one person impacts us deeply.

I, lastly, wish to give my condolences to the people of the Northwest Territories who lost loved ones in the past few months. Our prayers are with you all and your families.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, last week I was proud to be the hosting MLA at the Dene Nation Leadership Meeting in Fort Simpson. This was the first meeting of the year, in which they are celebrating 40 years of presence in the North, of which I once again extend my congratulations.

---Applause

Given the importance of this event and emerging treaty rights issues with the GNWT temporary hunting ban on the Bathurst caribou herd, I was very dismayed that our Cabinet did not send one ministerial representative to this meeting. Invitations went out to the Premier , the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources, and the rest of the Cabinet in early January, but no response was given by anyone to the Dene Nation. In fact, the Dene national leadership had to pass a motion in their assembly requesting their attendance.

Our GNWT government has taken great pride in recognizing aboriginal governments, but I feel in not responding positively to the request of the Dene national chief to attend this important meeting was a big mistake. The AFN national chief, Mr. Shawn Atleo, took the time to go to Fort Simpson and pay attention to the needs of the Dene Nation, but not our government.

In the week previous to this, the entire Cabinet attended the Beaufort-Delta meetings, which they do often. There was no willingness to attend this Dene Nation Leadership Meeting, yet one could have predicted, from recent media coverage, that issues related to the Government of the Northwest Territories would be high on the agenda. I think that shunning the invitation to Fort Simpson demonstrated a lack of judgment. There is a cost: criticism of the GNWT -- of which I am a representative -- and the weakening of the GNWT working relationship with the Dene National Assembly.

I believe that with a Cabinet ministerial representative, the current issue of the hunting ban on the Bathurst caribou herd, treaty rights, and

consultations could have been better understood by both sides. Regretfully, now we have a situation where we are negotiating and disputing the issues in the media and not face to face.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

This was an opportunity to engage each other on this very important issue. In the future I hope that the GNWT Cabinet members give due respect and attend Dene national leadership meetings and give equal weight to all aboriginal government meetings. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Family Literacy Day

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s nice to be welcomed back to the House and it’s nice to see all Members here ready and eager to get back to work.

Today, January 27th , is Family Literacy Day. Today,

and all this week all over the Territory, communities, schools and families are engaged in activities to celebrate and highlight literacy.

One of this Assembly’s goals is healthy, educated people. But our priorities, unfortunately, do not mention literacy; the value of which is well documented and irrefutable. Literacy, which includes numeracy skills, is necessary for work, for learning and for life in general. Unfortunately, many NWT residents still do not have the necessary life skills -- and that’s literacy and numeracy -- to succeed at a job, at running a home, at volunteering, at helping their children with schoolwork and so on. Without adequate literacy levels, reading the instructions to try out a new recipe is a struggle for a parent.

Without adequate number skills, finding the best price for a sale item when grocery shopping can be a challenge.

Here in the NWT we are lucky to have a number of organizations which exist to help NWT residents, especially adults, improve their literacy and numeracy; organizations such as the NWT Literacy Council, Yellowknife Association for Community Living and Aurora College adult learning centres, to name just a few.

On this day, Family Literacy Day, I encourage all residents to recognize the importance of the three R’s, reading, riting and 'rithmetic, and to take

part in a literacy activity in your community. Or you can be literacy active in your own home with your family. Together you can read a book, play a board game, write stories or letters together for family or friends to enjoy. Good literacy and numeracy provide the

foundation for the learning of all other skills, and a skilled people are a successful people.

So on this day I urge NWT residents to make a promise to each other as a family, that you will do at least one literacy activity each and every week all year long. It will benefit each one of you and the end result is an improved NWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Achievements And Contributions Of Lena Pedersen

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to take this opportunity to recognize the accomplishments of a person who has devoted much to improving the lives and situations of people of the North. This January marks the 40th anniversary of Lena Pedersen’s election to the Legislative Assembly.

---Applause

This anniversary is especially noteworthy, because in 1970 Lena was the first woman to be elected to the Assembly, then called the Territorial Council.

Born and raised in Greenland and upon coming to the Northwest Territories in 1959, Lena has lived and worked throughout the North in communities from Coppermine, Pangnirtung and Cape Dorset to Yellowknife and Rae.

The constituency she represented was the Central Arctic, made up of Pelly Bay, Spence Bay, Gjoa Haven, Cambridge Bay, Bathurst Inlet, Bay Chimo, Coppermine and Holman. One of Lena’s early accomplishments in the Legislative Assembly was getting funding to build the Kitikmeot boarding home for out-of-town patients to stay at when in Yellowknife for medical care. It is named in her honour. During her term Lena was a member of the Housing Corporation and she chaired a special education report. Getting schools built in communities was a very important goal for her. When she was elected many communities had one-room buildings that taught grades 1 through 5.

Another success of Lena’s is how she was able to get an extension on the airstrip in Coppermine. The project was not in the government’s capital budget, but she was able to come up with a creative solution that involved negotiations with Gulf Oil to support the project financially.

Lena’s community activities involvement did not end with her groundbreaking term in office. Over the years she has worked as a drug and alcohol program coordinator in Kugluktuk, served as a board member for the Inuit Tapirisat of Canada, and served as a commissioner for Nunavut’s Law

Review Commission. Her activities in Yellowknife have included time spent working at the Yellowknife Women’s Centre, where she has used traditional and cultural and language activities to help the people build their self-esteem and reduce feelings of isolation that some have experienced.

Lena has been a board member for the Native Women’s Association of the NWT, is an active member of the Yellowknife Seniors’ Society and continues to be involved with Bosco Homes Territorial Children’s Treatment Centre. Throughout, Lena has acknowledged that if a person is going to be able to help improve a situation, listening carefully to the people involved is an important first step. She continues to encourage effective and positive communications between and among people, not just elders and youth or politicians and the people they serve.

I’d like to take this opportunity to thank Lena for all that she has done for the people of the Northwest Territories and the role model that she continues to be.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Condolences To Sahtu Constituents On Passing Of Family Members

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Twenty years ago when I first decided to put the bottle away, I sat down with an elder in Tulita and this elder and I were walking in Tulita along the streets there and the elder was talking about some of the old people that passed away in our community. The elder bent down on the ground -- it was during summer -- picked up the dirt, put his hand in the dirt and the dirt started falling out. The elder told me, he said, “this dirt,” he said “that’s my relatives, it’s in our blood,” he said, all the dirt falling out of his hand. I didn’t understand what the elder was talking about.

The elder was Fred Andrew Sr. The elder was telling me that our relatives that go back into this land, this is our land and that’s where our blood is.

Mr. Speaker, before I came here last Sunday -- we have ceremonies in our communities on Sundays, ceremonies in some of our communities that we go pay respect to the elders and people who passed away over the years in our communities. Some of the elders teaching say that it’s a special day because the angels come on Sunday and they come into the birch trees. That’s where the angels come and that’s where our relatives come to visit us. Sometimes we make fire. Sometimes we cook out there and make offerings to the fire for our relatives.

Mr. Speaker, over the last year in the Sahtu we lost about 16 people, 10 of them were elders. In Deline

we lost Jimmy Mackeinzo; Mary Therese Mackeinzo; my uncle, Adrian Menacho, my auntie, Jane Neyelle; and Margaret Kenny. From Fort Good Hope we lost Eileen and Alfred Orlias, Dorothy Cotchilly -- she raised a blind son by herself, this old lady -- Charlie Gully. We lost some young people also: Tyler Harris, Michael Pierrot, Alana Boniface and Kenda Shae. From Colville Lake we lost a really good elder, Joe Martin Oudzi, and a young trapper named Tommy Kochon. In Norman Wells we lost a young man, Joe Richie.

Mr. Speaker, I want to pay respects to these people and give my condolences to all the people in the Sahtu for their loss and that we pray for them, and that these people here left us some good, strong messages to continue on our life. Mr. Speaker, I want to say to all the other people who we have lost, people in the Northwest Territories, we certainly pray for them also. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Session Priorities

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, greetings to you and all my colleagues, as once again we gather in the House to do important business. Today I begin by reviewing my perspectives and some priorities for this session.

Caribou play a central role in the life of most Northerners, and we are facing some dire situations resulting from a failure to manage this resource properly. We must stop herd declines and build cooperative conservation while political issues get resolved through separate discussions.

As economic recovery has begun in the North, I see the need for renewed focus on economic diversification that will provide more stability for the northern economy at less environmental cost.

Development of biomass projects for heating could be major support to local economies providing labour intensive business development and replacing fossil fuels with clean energy. Enhanced fisheries and agriculture have roles to play. Avalon Minerals’ Nechalacho rare earth metals project and Fortune Minerals’ NICO proposal present regional development opportunities. Maximum benefits will only result if we insist on local renewable energy and human resources for sustainable development.

We have many independent programs for people living in poverty, but we do not have a comprehensive, coordinated and cross-departmental poverty reduction strategy. Other jurisdictions are realizing significant achievements with this approach. As I highlighted last session, we need an NWT anti-poverty strategy.

Our archaic approach to energy supply, with its missed opportunities, must end. Let’s take the

NTPC and rate reviews and build an intelligent energy future. Small hydro developments can serve our communities and replace costly fossil fuel power with clean and cheaper energy.

An ambitious and fully implemented biomass strategy is another good step. Meaningful progress on Taltson hydro could contribute to reductions in greenhouse gas emissions, extend the life and sustainability of our diamond mines and promote success of aboriginal corporations. It is abundantly clear that we must set and plan to meet science-based greenhouse gas reduction targets.

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Paul Delorey

Mr. Bromley , your time for your Member’s statement has expired.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

It is not too early at all to see the implementation of the Heritage Fund. The public and Members are calling for full value from resource revenues and saving some of these funds to build a future. Resources and revenues leave the NWT faster each year. Mines pay down their development costs in no time, yielding huge profits. A revised resource revenue tax is a simple, quick answer to our years of complaint over lost revenues.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, the Joint Review Panel’s report on the Mackenzie Gas Project highlights issues of government capacity and oversight. The panel said all of its recommendations must be met if the project is to go ahead. There is enormous work to be done quickly if we are to responsibly contribute to the next stage in realizing the panel’s vision of a truly sustainable development project. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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100th Anniversary Of The Hamlet Of Aklavik

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to start off this session with a good news story. Mr. Speaker, this year the hamlet of Aklavik is celebrating its 100th anniversary.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, this is a great accomplishment, considering 100 years ago the Hudson Bay Company made a decision to establish a trading post in a location where Aklavik is today, which was built by the late Alexander Stewart.

Mr. Speaker, Aklavik has a great history. Becoming a trading post, a commerce for people in regards to the fur trade back in the early 1900s and then working its way to becoming a major regional centre for commerce from governments, programs and services by way of regional hospitals, education facilities for schools, and also the military played a major role in regards to the early centre, which was established in Aklavik.

Mr. Speaker, it was the main centre of government for the people in the Beaufort-Delta and also played a major role as a regional centre.

Mr. Speaker, Aklavik has a rich history of families that live there, and continue to live there today, and a place where the Mad Trapper remains.

More importantly, Mr. Speaker, the community has had a slogan for 50 years, when a decision was made by some bureaucrat in Ottawa to move the community of Aklavik to East Three, which is known today as Inuvik and celebrated its 50th anniversary

a year ago. Again, they’re missing out on the big celebration, which is 100 years, which is Aklavik’s celebration and takes place this year.

Mr. Speaker, the people of Aklavik invite all residents of the Northwest Territories and elsewhere to celebrate with them. Over this year they are having carnivals, dances, bonspiels, the famous Pokiak Music Festival, consideration of the Northern Games taking place in Aklavik this year, the Gwich’in Assembly and also hosting canoe races, dog races and many special events over the year.

Mr. Speaker, at this time I would like to send an invitation to all the residents of the Northwest Territories to mark on their calendar that they will make an attempt to celebrate with the people of Aklavik.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted.

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100th Anniversary Of The Hamlet Of Aklavik

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I would like to send an invitation to all the residents of the Northwest Territories to mark on their calendar that they will make an attempt to visit the community of Aklavik and celebrate with them on their 100th anniversary;

more importantly, to take the time to realize a part of the Northwest Territories which most people have never been to or have never had the opportunity. Mr. Speaker, the opportunity is now. Celebrate the 100th anniversary with the people of

Aklavik. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Recognitions of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Lena Pedersen, a former Member of the Legislature and a constituent of the Great Slave riding.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Monfwi , Mr. Lafferty .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize our two interns who are here in the gallery from the Department of Justice. Mr. Blake Buckle and Emily Ingarfield are here with us. Welcome. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it’s my honour to recognize the parents, or at least the mother, of my esteemed colleague Mr. Abernethy , the wonderful Loretta Abernethy, a constituent of Weledeh. Welcome.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

…the Gameti Land Corporation president, Mr. Peter Menacho from Deline.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. McLeod.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize Mr. Larry Elkin and his wife, Cappy. Mr. Elkin is a very long-time deputy minister with the Government of the Northwest Territories. He commented to me the other day that he had a letter of thanks from 40 years ago for intervening at the Mackenzie Gas Pipeline hearing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize the Elkin family, Cappy and Larry. I know they watch our Assembly quite regularly on television, as well as follow our proceedings quite closely through the community. I suspect that they are not here just to watch us. Their granddaughter, who also is a Yellowknife Centre constituent, Paige Elkin is here to help us today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . If we have missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the Chamber. I hope you are enjoying the proceedings. It is always nice to have an audience

here, especially when we are starting out in a new session.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 186-16(4): Clawback Of Income Earned By Gwich’in Elders

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are directed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The Gwich’in Assembly passed a motion last year directing the Gwich’in Tribal Council to make an elders payout for elders over the age of 70 and then also they made a second payment to elders 60 and over to age 69. Mr. Speaker, under the Gwich’in Land Claim Agreement it is pretty clear in regards to these payments not being clawed back by governments, regardless if it is the federal government or the Government of the Northwest Territories. But it is pretty apparent, Mr.

Speaker, that those elders, especially the ones 60 and over who depend on income support have had their payments clawed back.

Mr. Speaker, there is a letter written to the Premier and the Minister of Health and Social Services and also a letter to the Department of Education on this matter. I would like to ask the Minister exactly why is it that this government clawed back the elders’ payment to the Gwich’in elders in regards to their portion of income, which was somewhere around $2,600, but again those people weren’t allowed any income support payments or support for the whole month of December because of these payments which they were left without. I would just like to ask: why is the government doing that, knowing that it is an exemption in the agreement?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 186-16(4): Clawback Of Income Earned By Gwich’in Elders

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The clawback has been addressed the last several years now, so we made some changes to our existing programming, the policy that we have in place. After numerous discussions that we had in the Legislative Assembly, the standing committee and the general public, we decided that there was an exemption that was put on the table, a $1,200 exemption on individuals that can qualify. The $3,500 that the Member is referring to, there have been payouts by the organization in the Beaufort-Delta, but we are currently looking into that specific area through the initial justice system to find out what is in the agreement. They are tax exempt as if from land claims money as if from a

business arm, so those are the discussions that we are having currently ongoing. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 186-16(4): Clawback Of Income Earned By Gwich’in Elders

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Under the Gwich’in Land Claim Agreement under

Chapter 11, which is the taxation chapter, it clearly states that the Gwich’in Settlement Corporation is exempt from any federal, territorial or local government taxes and similar charges are exempt from the settlement corporation and such. Any capital distribution to elders over the age of 60 years are, therefore, exempt from taxes and other charges, including clawbacks of their income support. So I’d just like to ask the Minister, knowing that that provision falls under the land claim agreement under

section 11, which legislation is the government considering in light of this land claim provision, which clearly stipulates that no exemptions would be taken on those type of payments.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. Those are the detailed information that we need to address within our Department of ECE, the Department of Justice and the organization itself. When we talk about chapters, there are different chapters where the funding has been allocated. So, certainly, those are areas that we need to look at. The detail of are they tax exempt and if they are what can we do as a department on a going forward basis, we’ve been having this discussion just since the issuance of the $3,500 has been dispersed. So we are in the process of going forward and talking to organizations. Mahsi.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. I hope that the department and the Minister’s department can try to bring a quick resolution to this, because the seniors, the reason that they did this is because we are losing a lot of seniors and we’re hoping that we can get this money into their hands so that they can at least have an opportunity to spend it and use it to their expense and not have it clawed back. So I’d like to ask the Minister if he can give me some assurance that they will try to remedy this situation as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Question 186-16(4): Clawback Of Income Earned By Gwich’in Elders

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. That is what we are currently discussing to look further into the actual agreement itself and our policy. We need to resolve this issue, because it doesn’t only impact in that area but also other land claim settlement areas as well. So we’re being cautious of moving forward. So, certainly, that information will certainly be shared with the standing committee as we move forward. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Your final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 186-16(4): Clawback Of Income Earned By Gwich’in Elders

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hopefully we are able to compensate those individuals who were basically affected by this by way of not allowing them. So I’d just like to ask the Minister if he could somehow work with the Gwich’in Tribal Council and those elders that are affected by the

clawback and see if we can work with them to notify them that there is a possibility of being reimbursed for those loses by way of the clawback. Thank you.

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Question 186-16(4): Clawback Of Income Earned By Gwich’in Elders

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. We all depend on the agreement that we have in place, whether it be with the Gwich’in, the Beaufort-Delta, within our GNWT system. So, yes, we are going to continue having those types of discussions and we want to expedite the process so we can come out with a solution. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 187-16(4): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, can the Premier tell this House why wasn’t he or the Minister of ENR or any other Ministers in attendance at the Dene Nation Leadership Meeting? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 187-16(4): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The situation that has occurred there, one is it’s unfortunate in the sense that we were not able to have Ministers in attendance, but we need to set some of the facts straight in what led up to this.

Mr. Speaker, number one, not all Ministers attended the Gwich’in leaders and the Beaufort-Delta leaders meetings. Both Minister Bob McLeod and Minister Michael Miltenberger were not at those meetings. Two, the request for attendance at those meetings and the request to make presentations on departmental responsibilities were made months in advance so that we could set the time aside for those meetings. For the notice to the Cabinet Ministers of the Dene Assembly, the meetings that were occurring, we can provide Members notice that a notice was received by a number of the Ministers on January 13th and responded to in the

case of, for example, Minister Michael McLeod responded two days after the fact to the organization. Minister Lafferty , the same thing, within a few days responded to the Dene leadership about the invitation. Upon receiving the agenda it was clearly noted that the issues and the requests for ministerial presentations were not on the agenda, and by that time Ministers were well committed to quite a number of meetings beforehand.

In speaking to the Dene national chief, Mr. Bill Erasmus, I confirmed with him that we were prepared to sit down with him and the folks that he would want to on the issues arising from that meeting. As the Members know in this House, we as the Government of the Northwest Territories have stepped up our involvement and meetings with the regional aboriginal leaders and governments to build on a solid relationship. We’re prepared to sit down, given enough advance notice, to set time aside to make the appropriate presentations to aboriginal governments as well. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. But the fact remains that no Ministers were in attendance, and for me personally it kind of gauges the importance that our Cabinet gives the Dene National Assembly. So I’m just not clear. I know that we make time for other aboriginal organizations, even cancelling meetings and having an excuse that they need months of planning, it’s just not appropriate there, Mr. Speaker.

Once again, given the importance of the matters being discussed at the Dene National Leadership in Fort Simpson, I don’t know why there was only one department that sent officials. We’ve got to pay more attention to the Dene National Assembly and that’s the frustration that I felt, that’s a frustration the people felt in Fort Simpson. Once again I’d like to ask the Minister why wasn’t more attention by this Cabinet given to the Dene National Leadership Meeting in Fort Simpson.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you. In preparing for whether it’s meetings with aboriginal governments, with provincial governments, with the federal government, there is much advanced time in trying to allocate time and resources and meeting times of Ministers with the appropriate parties. So we are always prepared to sit down and set that time aside, with enough advance notice and that’s the concern here. The notice, the invitations that were given to Ministers, came in in mid-January, a week before the meetings.

The commitment was already made by Ministers at other meetings and events, whether it was in this Territory or within the capital or in other parts of the country as well. When you do look at the agenda that was provided to Ministers at that time, the issue of having

Ministers make presentations was not on the agenda as well.

As I said before, we’re committed to working with our aboriginal partners across the Territory, and with advance timing and notice we are glad to make the time available so that we can sit down together and hear what’s being raised, as well as make the presentations from the department responsibilities as well. Thank you.

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Question 187-16(4): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. I still don’t believe that timing is the issue, but I think the issue for myself and the people at the Dene National Leadership Meeting in Fort Simpson was government’s inattention to the needs and the issues that were on the floor. The other thing, too, is how much time does government spend paying attention to other aboriginal organizations, which is an issue as well. I believe that we’re a consensus style government and that we must pay attention to all aboriginal organizations and governments, and that’s the question I’d like to ask the Premier . How much time do they spend with all our aboriginal organizations? I’d like to see it equally balanced.

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Question 187-16(4): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

The fact that we meet regularly, we’ve had seven regional leaders meetings with the grand chiefs and presidents of the aboriginal governments across this Territory. We just held our seventh meeting in November, in Dettah. In fact, the executive reports that were given at the Dene Leadership Meeting by these grand chiefs and presidents, they were in attendance at our regional leaders meeting. In fact, at our regional leaders' meeting we also had some discussion about the issue of caribou conservation. In fact, I believe our press release may even have touched on that topic.

The fact that before this meeting there were numerous meetings held with aboriginal governments and organizations about the issue of conservation of caribou across the Northwest Territories, working with co-management boards.

So the simple fact is we continue to meet with the regional leadership, with aboriginal governments and organizations, and we’ll continue to do that. We’ll work jointly on initiatives, given that we’re provided enough time so that we could make sure that we marshal up the resources to be in attendance.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Premier Roland. Your final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

We are prepared, as I said, and continue to work with our aboriginal partners across the Northwest Territories and will set the time aside to sit down with them. In fact, we’re working on the next Regional Leaders Meeting to be at the end of March. We’ll continue to work with them. For example, those that made the presentations from the executive reports at that Dene Leadership Meeting, we’re hoping to have all of them in attendance, including Mr. Bill Erasmus, national chief of the Dene Nation.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 188-16(3): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, want to just follow up with Mr. Menicoche ’s questions in terms of the leadership meeting in Fort Simpson with the Dene Nation national chiefs. Listening from the communities, the reception, what I’m hearing is that it wasn’t very good to have our government Ministers not there at a very important meeting with the leadership. It didn’t seem that this government here cared to sit down with the chiefs, to listen to them, especially on the issue of caribou. It was quite volatile.

I want to ask the Premier , the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , in terms of leadership meetings such as the Dene Nation Leadership Meeting, is there a policy that at these type of meetings that you’ll have several Ministers at these meetings to listen to the chiefs on some of these important issues.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The process we have in place for meetings with aboriginal governments and leaders is, one, first and foremost, that is really formally structured now. The regional aboriginal leadership meetings are attended by the seven regions and the grand chiefs and presidents of those aboriginal governments. As well, when advance time is given and we’re requested to be on the agenda, we would have the appropriate Minister -- if they can’t be in attendance, the appropriate deputy minister -- to present what has been requested.

In the case, for example, of the Beaufort-Delta regional leaders, the practice has been months in advance they make the request that we be in attendance. They actually request the Ministers and put them on the agenda to make presentations at the meeting. We do that with the Gwich’in leaders. At the regional leaders table we, as well, have a joint initiative where the regional leaders can put items on the agenda, along with ourselves, and we have the appropriate Ministers show up at those. We continue to work with those. Along the side the regional leaders’

meetings, we’ve made a commitment as the Government of the Northwest Territories that we will have a bilateral with the grand chief and the chiefs of a region on an annual basis as well. So when they make that request, we set up to do that.

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Question 188-16(3): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

When you have over 30 chiefs sitting there, these are the level of aboriginal governments that are going to be established in the Northwest Territories. We’re asking another government to participate. I’m asking the Minister or the Premier in terms of is it something that is going to be a policy where when you have 30 chiefs sitting down, that the Premier or the Cabinet would send one or two Ministers to be there out of courtesy to sit with another level of government.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

We have a process in place now that we meet with the regional leadership and have a bilateral process. In fact, as I just said earlier, we just finished a meeting with regional leaders in November and we’re already into planning preparations for the end of March with the regional leaders. So it takes a long time to get the agendas together, to get the necessary information together, so that we can have these meetings. We will do the same in advance notice of the Dene Leadership Meetings.

There are many examples where we have Ministers and myself who have been to the leadership meetings to make presentations as well. It’s just unfortunate that the notice came late and we already had commitments by the Ministers that had invitations. When you look at the agenda, there was no request, we were not on the agenda as Ministers making presentations.

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Question 188-16(3): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

When you have 30 leaders, 30 chiefs sitting down, it’s just obvious that this government should send one or two Ministers to a meeting out of courtesy to listen to the chiefs. Sometimes we don’t go by an agenda. Sometimes the issues come outside the agenda. It’s just obvious that this government, as leaders, attend a national territorial leadership meeting. Again, I want to ask the Premier in terms of not a process, but is there some type of policy that in the future that Ministers would be attending the Dene national chiefs meeting.

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Question 188-16(3): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

We make every effort to attend the aboriginal leadership meetings across the Northwest Territories. We can provide the information of how many meetings we have attended. It is important that we work together on that basis. That is why, for example, we’re trying to solidify an ongoing relationship that is put in place and recognized at the regional leaders’ table. For example, the last meeting we tabled -- the example is the Council of the Federation -- that with the regional leaders. We hope to build on that going forward.

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Question 188-16(3): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Premier Roland. Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 188-16(3): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Sometimes when important meetings are called about such issues as the caribou, it’s very important to people in my region here. It would seem that it would be a given that the Minister of at least ENR or another Minister attend this meeting with some heavy discussions here. Again, it’s called meeting some of the needs of our people here. I would ask again if it’s a policy of this government or Cabinet can be looked at and see if future meetings can be attended by some of the Ministers as a standard policy.

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Question 188-16(3): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

First and foremost we are putting in place the relationship that we have with regional leaders. Mr. Bill Erasmus is involved in that by notification of our meetings, the agendas and so on. We have been, for example in Lutselk’e at that Dene Assembly there, attended with a number of our Ministers, including myself. When we’re given enough notice, we try to be as flexible as possible and we’ll continue to do that. I’ll sit down with the Dene national chief, Bill Erasmus, to talk about a process we can set in place and that hopefully he can provide us enough lead time so we can work on making sure we have appropriate representation. Thank you.

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Question 188-16(3): Ministers’ Absence At Dene Leadership Meetings

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Colleagues, I’m going to request that you consider keeping your questions and answers maybe a little bit shorter. We’ll be lucky to get eight Members to ask questions at the rate we’re going today so… The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I gave a Member’s statement on Mr. Maurice Lockhart. It was interesting that at the time of his passing Maurice Lockhart was doing repairs and painting his house. I have questions for the Minister responsible for Seniors .

Mr. Speaker, in many of our aboriginal communities it’s very common for elders living in their homes. However, when it comes to assistance, sometimes the assistance comes very slowly. Can the Minister responsible for Seniors tell me if there are any discussions with other Ministers to ensure our government provides the seniors with expedient and quality service? Thank you.

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister responsible for Seniors , Ms. Lee .

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Member for the questions. Mr. Speaker, I am honoured to be the Minister responsible for Seniors and I do deal with issues that deal with seniors that goes across the government. But when

it comes to administering programs and delivering services to our people, whether it be in income security or in housing or in health and social services and other areas, each department is responsible for delivering those programs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, will the Minister commit to developing a protocol where there is regular dialogue with other Ministers on seniors’ services and seniors’ issues? Thank you.

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Yes, I would be happy to look into that. We do, as social service Ministers, or social envelope Ministers have met and we do meet, but with the Strategic Initiatives committees under Building Our Future, a lot of our work falls under that, so we’ve been doing that work under that committee. But I will be happy to undertake this task and work with the Member as the chair of the committee to see how we can refine this process. Thank you.

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

It’s not a health question. Mr. Speaker, another major concern, however, is health. Can the Minister tell me if she has developed some sort of strategy to ensure that the seniors in our small, isolated communities are given the best possible and timely care? Thank you.

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Seniors issues and the provision of services in Health and Social Services for seniors is not just a small issue in a small community, but it’s emerging as one of the biggest challenges that our government faces and will continue to face. It is a big area of work and task and challenge that the department is working on. So I think in coming days we will be discussing more on that. So I want to put that out there and specifically to small communities, yes, we continually work with the communities, regional health authorities and every partner to deliver and improve our services to seniors. Thank you.

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister commit to working with the other Ministers on creating a centre for seniors programs to create sort of a consolidated approach to assisting the seniors to decrease any delays for services to seniors? Thank you.

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

I believe an issue similar to this was looked at before, and I’d be happy to share with the Member and the committee on that front. Mr. Speaker, I think in making sure that our seniors get the services they need, whether it’s housing, transportation, health and social services, income security, whether it’s the tax provision or income deduction, I think the fastest service is delivered when an issue comes up. It’s dealt with at the department level right away, and it’s something that we do. All the Ministers do that on a daily basis

and, obviously, we could continue to work on improving that, but, yes, we do that. That’s our core business. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 189-16(4): Protocols For Delivery Of Seniors Programs And Services

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources, and it’s on caribou. I want to follow up and get some more details on what’s transpired to date. But I’d like to start by asking how could this have happened. Obviously, dropping from 400,000-plus down to 32,000 is a tremendous decline, and I understand that happened over a period of time, that we clearly have responsibility here for that management. How could this have happened and are we capturing that to ensure that we learn and do better from now on? Thank you.

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I think it’s clearly important that we do that. I didn’t really hear harvest mentioned as a factor, but many of us that were hunting in the ‘90s clearly remember the big two-ton trucks of caribou, 150 animals in a truck, heading down the highway, and expressed a lot of concern without any action being taken. I hope that’s included in the thinking on what caused this.

But moving on, what support was received during consultations prior to establishing the hunting ban through consultation with aboriginal governments and co-management boards? Thank you.

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Member is correct; the harvesting, the more the numbers dropped, the greater the impact of the harvesting, especially if harvesting levels stay the same as when the herd was healthy. In a state of decline, if we don’t affect those numbers, the impact is significant.

This whole process, Mr. Speaker, keeping in mind your caution about short answers, initially it was going to be worked through the Wekeezhii process, with our report to them with our recommendations, ourselves and the Tlicho Government. The dates that the Wekeezhii Board were able to do things moved, and as we got into December we recognized the need for measures, because there wasn’t going to be a report in time to get a response out in a timely manner, and we started the compressed process to consult with all the aboriginal groups to be ready to have some recommendations in place by the end of December.

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate that response. Given that Yellowknife, Ndilo and Dettah are right in the middle of this quite large geographic area that is now closed to hunting, what opportunities do the Yellowknives and other people have to harvest caribou or other alternatives so that they can replace the caribou meat that they’re missing? Thank you.

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There are two key things that are available. We’ve made the offer in the Tlicho and with the Akaitcho and the Yellowknives to work with them to go to access some of the caribou in a controlled way, the Ahiak and the Bluenose-East, that we would work with them and assist them to do that, recognizing that these herds are under stress themselves, but we think we’re able to be able to manage that kind of harvest. We’ve also adjusted the bison tags so that both the Tlicho and the Akaitcho have access to a greater number of bison tags over the interim period. Thank you.

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final question really is recognizing the important intents and emotional issues that are being raised about aboriginal rights in response to the hunting ban. How will the Minister ensure that the conservation of the caribou is front and centre through all of this, recognizing that those are important issues as well? Thank you.

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Question 190-16(4): Caribou Conservation Measures

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Our whole initiative is predicated and has been initiated by the recognition that we have a wildlife emergency and it’s a conservation issue that has to be addressed over this hunting period. That recognition and acknowledgement are keeping in mind the respect and can lead to respect the aboriginal rights and treaty rights and rights to hunt. But our fundamental obligation is to look after the wildlife; in this case, the Bathurst herd. Those two are linked and our rationale is that there was a gap here. There is an emergency. The hunting season had to be addressed. We took these very measured and carefully considered steps. Thank you.

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