Debates of May 26th, 1998

This is page numbers 1401 - 1431 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was education .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Tools For Success Campaign

Speech And Hearing Month

Nunavut Languages Policy Conference

Recognition Of Frankie Noah

NWT Power Corporation Division Plans

Youth Violence

Inuvik Transition House Society

Tribute To Freddie And Bella Greenland

Highway No. 3 Maintenance Problems

Concerns Raised At Yellowknife Constituency Meeting

Recognition Of Efforts And Positive Impacts Of Teachers

Rental Subsidy Program

Pursuing Economic Opportunities In Clyde River

Infant Changing Facilities In Public Buildings

Return To Oral Question 499-13(5): Education Boards' Hardship Program

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Arviat Health Centre Update

Recruitment And Retention Of Nurses

NWT Power Corporation Concerns

Funding For Inuvik Transition House

Termination Benefits For Laid Off Employees

Responding To Gjoa Haven Housing Concerns

Access To Alcohol And Drug Program Funding

Movement Of Grise Fiord Cars Operation

Annual Cost Of Contract And Pay Equity Settlement

Energy Costs In Private Dwellings

Continuation Of Rental Subsidy

Ministerial Administration Procedures

Speed Limit Increase On Highway 3

Delay In The Keewatin Airport Transfer

Hunter And Trapper Compensation Coverage

Breast Cancer Screening Program Implementation

Self-government Considerations In Western Transition

Written Question 12-13(5): Western Arctic Drug And Alcohol Treatment Costs

Written Question 13-15(5): Cost Of Contract Nurses Versus Unionized Employees

Tabled Document 93-13(5): Package Of Letters Regarding Pay Equity/collective Bargaining

Tabled Document 94-13(5): Package Of Letters Regarding Education Funding

Tabled Document 95-13(5): Package Of Letters Regarding The Kids Are Worth It Campaign

Tabled Document 96-13(5): Package Of Letters Regarding Education Funding

Tabled Document 97-13(5): Package Of Letters From Unw Members Regarding Pay Equity/collective Bargaining

Tabled Document 98-13(5): Package Of Letters From Unw Members Regarding Pay Equity/collective Bargaining

Tabled Document 99-13(5): Package Of Letters Regarding Education Funding

Bill 17:

An Act To Amend The Territorial Court Act And The Justices Of The Peace Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Good afternoon. Before we proceed with the session for today, I would like to thank the Languages Commissioner, Ms. Judy Tutcho, for the presentation she made today. As you know, the Languages Commissioner's Report was tabled in the House yesterday. Today, she presented to me, as the Speaker, as the representative of the Legislative Assembly, a framed logo that represents her office. I feel it also represents our efforts as a government to preserve the languages of the north. The framed logo will be placed in the Great Hall later this week.

I would also like to use this time to remind Members of a few events this week. During the afternoon break, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment will be launching Tools for Success in the Great Hall. During tomorrow afternoon's break the Department of Transportation will be showing their video production on a special large screen format. This presentation will take about 20 to 30 minutes to complete. I hope that Members will join me in these events.

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 105-13(5): Tools For Success Campaign

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as you have just mentioned, today is the official launch of the Tools for Success campaign by Education, Culture and Employment.

Tools for Success is designed to encourage junior and senior high school students to consider careers in skilled trades. The campaign is also aimed at people who are considering a change of career. The message of Tools for Success is simple. The best tool for success in an apprenticeship or trades career is a high school education that includes math and science.

There is a high demand for skilled tradespeople and workers in the Northwest Territories. We can help meet this demand by promoting careers in the trades to junior and high school students. However, we must make sure that the students who wish to enter careers in apprenticeship and trades have the right tools - that is, a good math and science education.

The Tools for Success materials have been sent to every school and every regional career centre in the Northwest Territories. Career centres have been provided with information kits as well as other promotional items which can be used as prizes for science fairs, math competitions and scholastic achievements.

To celebrate the launch of this campaign, I would like to invite the Members of the Legislative Assembly to join Richard Edjericon, Chairperson of the Apprenticeship, Trade and Occupations Certification Board, and our invited guests for a reception in the Great Hall at the break. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 105-13(5): Tools For Success Campaign

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 106-13(5): Speech And Hearing Month

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to recognize May as Speech and Hearing Month. This is a time for us to recognize the challenges that people, with communication disorders, face every day. It is also a time to acknowledge the professionals and caregivers who help people living with these challenges reach their full potential.

An estimated ten percent of Canadians suffer from some type of communication disorder. In the NWT this percentage is higher due to a greater incidence of ear infections and noise-induced hearing loss. It is well established that hearing loss can cause significant delays in speech and language development.

Early detection and treatment can alleviate the effects of speech, hearing and language disorders. Through early intervention, children can be provided with the support they need at a critical time in their development. In many cases, this can help lessen the supports required when the child starts school.

There are many professionals who provide valuable work in this field. For example, audiologists specialize in the prevention identification, assessment and treatment of hearing and balance disorders. Speech-language pathologists provide assessment, consultation, therapy and education to clients, their families and other caregivers. They work in the areas of language, articulation, voice, stuttering and alternate forms of communication.

Mr. Speaker, communication is a vital part of our lives. At this time I would like to recognize our citizens who are living with communication disorders. I would also like to commend the work of the many caregivers across the north who help to make sure that people challenged with these difficulties can lead full and healthy lives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 106-13(5): Speech And Hearing Month

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 425-13(5): Nunavut Languages Policy Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to make a brief statement. There was a meeting of Nunavut Implementation Commission on March 24th to 26th. At that meeting, participants included were people from Nunavut region, Quebec and Labrador. Tommy Enuaraq and I attended as well and the discussion was on languages. The progress on the topic covered was tremendous. We learned a great deal and had a productive meeting. I would like to congratulate the co-chairs John Amagoalik and Peter Ernerk for giving us the opportunity to participate and to say that the Inuit should work to preserve their languages. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 425-13(5): Nunavut Languages Policy Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 426-13(5): Recognition Of Frankie Noah

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize a young man who had rescued his brother in Grise Fiord. On the evening of January 18, 1998, ten year old, Frankie Alorut Noah went out with his 17 year-old brother, Manasie to Brume Point, approximately 6 kilometres from the town to gather ice for drinking water from an iceberg. This Sunday evening the temperature was around minus 45 degrees with poor to zero visibility. While at the iceberg chipping ice, Manasie fell into the water. Frankie attempted to pull his brother from the water, but could not.

At this time Frankie under great pressure left his brother in the water, and in the extreme cold and reduced visibility drove home to get his father to help. With his father and a rescue team, Frankie took them back to the site of his brother. Frankie's actions saved his brother's life. His parents, Parnee Noah and Imooshie Nutaraqjuk are very proud of their son, who has done a great job in order to save his brother. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 426-13(5): Recognition Of Frankie Noah

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 427-13(5): NWT Power Corporation Division Plans

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to speak briefly about the issue of NTPC and how it is a continued concern in the community of Fort Smith. When public hearings were held, presentations were made by myself, the mayor, council and Stand Alone Energies by Mr. Dennis Bevington. Initially, there was resignation to the fact that there would be combined NTPC and that arrangements would be made to try to minimize what the people of Fort Smith saw as a downside to that.

Now that the issue is still at the table and being discussed, the concern is still there and I am getting it from all corners of my constituency. There is concern about the issue of cross-subsidising. My understanding is that 60 percent of the revenue of NTPC is generated out of Yellowknife and south of the lake with a population of about 24,000 and two mines. Yet, none of those 24,000 people have access to this subsidy. The government will say that it is not NTPC that distributes a dividend. It is the government. However, the government owns NTPC and to me, it is a subtle distinction that the people of the west, I know in my constituency, do not appreciate or understand.

There is a concern that in Fort Smith for example, we pay about $600,000 per year as a headquarters' subsidy to run the operations in Hay River. While in Yellowknife, under a different utility they pay about $300,000, even though they have about 12 times the population. It is a disparity that, people once again, do not understand. I believe, I understand the people in Inuvik pay even more than Fort Smith in terms of headquarters' subsidy. There is a concern that the rate increase projected by NTPC, in fact, if you look at it closely, could be challenged.

The five percent they talk about is very debatable, given the fact that NTPC did not really suffer any of the cuts during the last two years of deficit reduction and that they have a very healthy administrative structure at the headquarters' level. In fact, like any good corporation they could absorb any sort of downsizing and not have to transfer a rate increase onto the people of the Western Territory. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 427-13(5): NWT Power Corporation Division Plans

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Miltenberger , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 427-13(5): NWT Power Corporation Division Plans

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, this issue is of concern. Fort Smith, the riding of Thebacha, is a home of a hydro electric development. We are part of the Western Territory and I am getting very clear messages that this is of concern to them and I thought it incumbent of me to bring these to the House. I will be asking the Minister questions about this during question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 427-13(5): NWT Power Corporation Division Plans

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 428-13(5): Youth Violence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Monday of this week, I received a call from Ter Hamer, a local business man and a sports supporter, regarding some vandalism that

happened at the Wade Hamer Mini-Golf facility over the weekend. The Wade Hamer Mini-Golf facility is run primarily by volunteers and it is to raise money for the Wade Hamer Hockey School. It is a school which is one of the major ones in the Northwest Territories and it is open to the youth at very minimal costs to families. The damage to the mini-golf facility means that there may not be sufficient funds in the future to run the hockey school. It is disheartening to see that volunteers, dedicated to community work, seem to receive so little gratitude from some youth in our community.

The vandalism is not an isolated event, Mr. Speaker, just over the last week in Yellowknife, there have been a number of incidents; vehicles parked along the Ingraham Trail had their tires slashed. In another case cars were damaged. Throughout the city windows were smashed on vehicles. Last summer, the city of Yellowknife held a number of meetings regarding violence in the downtown core area and several citizens mentioned the need for a greater responsibility to be placed on the parents and family of youth who commit crimes.

I would like to see this government work with communities to assist in providing legal and administrative tools that allow communities to assume a greater role in administering justice matters. Recently, the Federal Minister of Justice , Anne McLellan proposed a new strategy for dealing with young offenders. The strategy focuses on presentation alternatives, sentencing and harsher sentences for repeat young offenders.

A community-based sentencing that emphasizes the offender's responsibility for harm done appears to be a useful approach for crimes to property such as those experienced at the Wade Hamer Mini-Golf facility.

I trust that the Minister responsible for Justice will take note of my constituent's concerns and that he will inform us about the possibility of making changes to existing young offender sentencing and means for increased community participation in the administration of justice for non-violent crimes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 428-13(5): Youth Violence

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 429-13(5): Inuvik Transition House Society

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak today about the Inuvik Transition House Society. The Inuvik House officially reopened in 1994, their clients come from the communities of Aklavik, Fort McPherson, Tsiigehtchic, Tuktoyaktuk, Sachs Harbour, Paulatuk, Fort Good Hope, Deline, Tulita and Colville Lake. On occasion, the Inuvik Transition House has clients from Yellowknife, Fort Smith and Hay River when their shelters are full.

The shelter has been underfunded since it was reopened. It is an eight-bed shelter that is a regional facility. In order to remain in operation, it requires a minimum of $201,000 per year. The funding that it currently receives is $180,000 per year. The shelter currently employees four full-time employees, these positions are: the executive director, program coordinator, evening caregiver and night security. They also have a half-time child care advocate and four casuals who work eight-hour shifts on the weekends. The shelter workers are front line and most are in high stress positions, for which they receive low wages and no benefits.

The shelter assists the clients with immediate needs and also gives referrals to many agencies such as the Family Counselling Centre, the health and social services mental health worker and social workers, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Inuvik Hospital, income support workers. The majority of the clients who access the shelter are women from abusive relationships and family violence situations. A majority of these women come to the shelter with their children. The clients can stay up to a maximum of six weeks. At times there are clients who stay up to eight weeks in order to find housing in Inuvik.

Mr. Speaker, the women and children who come to the shelter are in crisis situations and need the Inuvik Transition House to remain open. The shelter needs an additional $21,000 in core funding per year to stay in operation. It would be in the best interest of the people to keep this shelter with its important programs and services open, this year and every year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 429-13(5): Inuvik Transition House Society

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 430-13(5): Tribute To Freddie And Bella Greenland

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I rise today, I would like to pay tribute to a well known and respected elderly couple from my constituency, Mr. Freddie Greenland and his wife, Bella. This couple has been blessed with ten girls who were raised and educated for their high school years in the north. This coming Saturday, May 30, 1998, the family will be celebrating the graduation of their youngest daughter, Sharla and their first granddaughter, Kimberly, both in Whitehorse, Yukon. Mr.

Speaker, the Greenland girls were educated in various provinces and territories and a few cities such as Saskatoon, Edmonton, Calgary, Fort Smith and Whitehorse, also in the TEP program that was delivered in Aklavik. They were educated in fields such as social work, teaching in special needs, adult education, nursing and native business management.

Mr. Greenland was educated at George Brown College in Toronto. This is quite an achievement on the part of Mr. and Mrs. Greenland, and they both deserve a round of applause and recognition from our government for a job well done as parents and good role models to their children and grandchildren. I would also like to offer my congratulations to Mrs. Annie Kay on obtaining her Bachelor's degree of Education on Monday at the University of Saskatchewan. I also would like to congratulate her parents, William and Mary Teya of Fort McPherson, who I am sure, are proud of Annie's accomplishments which took a lot of hard work and dedication. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 430-13(5): Tribute To Freddie And Bella Greenland

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr.

Rabesca.

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Member's Statement 431-13(5): Highway No. 3 Maintenance Problems

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned yesterday, regarding the highway, I guess I should have mentioned that the Department of Transportation should also continue to maintain the Highway 3

section between Rae junction and Yellowknife. I realize the department is doing its utmost to ensure this road is kept to a safe and driveable standard. However, over the course of the last week or so, probably since the frost is now out of the road bed, many soft spots have appeared and in some cases have developed into very large holes. These holes are unavoidable as they go from one side of the road to the other. This is very dangerous and if there is no warning which is the case for some of these spots, one can easily damage their vehicle or can cause an accident.

While driving in this morning, the crew was working from the Rae side back toward Yellowknife, grading and levelling the road. There was also one dump truck working in the area where there are numerous potholes. He was dumping gravel and levelling these potholes. Hopefully, within the next few days the road will be up to its normal standard. I do believe that this is just a temporary measure to fix these holes. I would hope that Transportation would find a permanent solution. We all want a road that is in good repair and the ability to concentrate on driving, not fighting the highway for the 100 kilometres of gravel we still have. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 432-13(5): Concerns Raised At Yellowknife Constituency Meeting

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last night the Yellowknife MLAs held a constituency meeting and I just wanted to relay some of the concerns which were brought up. The first thing I wanted to mention was that we had been presented with some letters that I will table later today. I am sure other MLAs will be doing the same with the letters they were presented with. There was a concern about the BIP Policy, whereby, a company was put out of business because the bed and breakfast they were running lost business to a local hotel because the people were given instructions not to utilize the bed and breakfast.

There was a lot of concern about pay equity, the fact that it should be taken off the table from the contract talks and be separate. There was a concern expressed that only the people affected should be voting on the pay equity issue. One person felt that it was against the Canadian Labour Relations Law to have all the membership vote on it. There was also concern that we seem to be paying for a lot of different plans, the Willis plan, the JEPS process, now the Hay Plan. What is next? There was concern expressed about education, the fact that things have to be done.

The Power Corporation people are concerned that they will no longer belong to the public service once things occur, whether it will remain as one entity or whether it will split into two after division.

There also was quite a bit of concern expressed about the fact that there was a lot of legislation which is outdated or there simply is no legislation in place. For instance, enduring power of attorney, there is no legislation in place for this to occur and we explained that it was because of the lack of manpower, the rest of that, but there still is a lot of concern. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 432-13(5): Concerns Raised At Yellowknife Constituency Meeting

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 432-13(5): Concerns Raised At Yellowknife Constituency Meeting

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I was indicating, there were concerns about the fact that there is a lot of legislation that should be happening and perhaps is being put on the back burner because we are preparing for Nunavut. There is also concern brought forward by people who were involved in the transfer of the Arctic airports, who are supposed to be getting an update on the special equalization packages. It seems as though there is a problem and they are hoping that the ministry can make some movement on this soon because it appears as though there is a July 1st deadline.

There also was a concern brought forward that federal inmates should be repatriated and the Social Programs Committee had been looking at this last year and perhaps, it is time this issue was brought back to light since it does not seem as though the department has done much since they basically told us that it should be left to the communities and the federal government. Nothing seems to be happening. There was also a concern brought forward about the amendments to outfitters regulations. It appears as though most of the outfitters are against the changes of the regulations. This issue will not go away.

There are the Workers' Compensation Board amendments that were considered, which was brought up here last session, the last time we were sitting by the Member for Yellowknife South , myself and others. People are wondering if the amendment is actually going to occur so that it is no longer possible for the Workers' Compensation Board to sue employees to recover costs for various things. There also was a concern from a retired teacher, well he is no longer teaching, he brought up concerns about education, but he was also very concerned about youths. He would like to see more things being done for youths.

We certainly agree with that. One other area, there was another person who come up with the need for legislation in the diving area. There were several different areas that were brought up where the legislation is lacking or there is no legislation. It does seem to be a great concern of our constituents that more legislation be put into place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 432-13(5): Concerns Raised At Yellowknife Constituency Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1404

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Again, I would like to remind the Members that when Members ask for unanimous consent to conclude their statement that you are allowed a reasonable time to do it. If you go beyond that, I will remind the Members. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 433-13(5): Recognition Of Efforts And Positive Impacts Of Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1405

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have all heard in recent days the concern that has been expressed by different Members of this House on the state of education in the north. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to applaud the efforts put forward by the teachers of the Northwest Territories. In these times of diminishing fiscal resources, it is gratifying to me to know that there are caring professionals whose greatest concern is the quality of education that our children receive. I do not think, Mr.

Speaker, that there is anyone in this room whose life has not been positively impacted by a teacher at some point in their schooling. A teacher can be a friend, confidante, nurse, counsellor and even, sometimes a surrogate parent. Teachers are worthy of our respect and support. Too often, Mr. Speaker, I believe that teachers do not receive the respect and admiration they so richly deserve from society. We must work to instill respect for teaching as an institution. Teaching is an honourable profession, and we must encourage this regard. Moral support is not enough, however, Mr. Speaker.

We must also deal with the very real outside issues that affect the ability of teachers to perform their jobs in a competent and professional manner. There must be adequate and affordable housing in the smaller communities to meet the needs of teachers. We must ensure that teachers have sufficient supplies and support to deliver the curriculum. Teachers spending their own money to buy necessary supplies is unacceptable. The issue of discipline and safety in schools must be dealt with. I believe that we must be pro-active in dealing with the teachers in the north.

We must listen to their concerns and, where possible, act upon those concerns.

Mr. Speaker, as Members of this Assembly, we have the same concerns as the teachers do. We all want an education system that responds to the needs of our students. We all want the best education system possible for our students. I ask the Members to join me in applauding the teachers of the Northwest Territories. I would also like to throw out a challenge to the Members of the Legislature.

When you return to your ridings after this session is over, I would challenge you to contact one of your local schools and volunteer to attend for one day as a classroom assistant, have coffee and chat with the teachers and hear what they have to say on the issues of education. I will be doing that when I get home. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1405

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 434-13(5): Rental Subsidy Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1405

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, several times over the past sessions, I have raised a concern with the GNWT employees in Iqaluit with regard to their housing and rent increases. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Todd , as Minister for FMBS, implemented a program with renters at the FDL and other properties to ease the transition from subsidized rental rates to market values. The government agreed they would increase the rents charged to employees by increments of ten percent, while at the same time the lessors would lower the rents charged by 10 percent. Mr.

Speaker, this pro-active move by the government was well received by Iqaluit residents. However, Mr. Speaker, as of December 31, 1998, the Subsidy Program is set to end, sending hundreds of employees to the situation where their rents could increase by 40 or 50 percent. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Todd and I worked cooperatively on this issue two years ago. Mr. Todd came to Iqaluit and met with the parties involved, and the solution I just spoke about was worked out. Mr.

Speaker, I have, on occasion, tried to constructively criticize the government, but for the Subsidy Program, I congratulate the Minister and the government for that pro-active move.

Mr. Speaker, later today I will be asking the Minister for FMBS, Mr. Todd , about the continuance of the subsidy and the direction the government will be taking on this important matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1405

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 435-13(5): Pursuing Economic Opportunities In Clyde River

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1405

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to tell you today about how my home community of Clyde River is preparing to meet the challenges of Nunavut, particularly in the area of economic development. In view of the necessity for economic growth, a group of my constituents have, over the past two years, banded together to form the Apitak Development Corporation. Named for one of the forefathers of our community, this corporation is comprised of 30 Inuit shareholders who have committed themselves to establishing training and business ventures that at once reflect the desires and the needs of the community and stimulate the economy.

Over the past 18 months, Apitak has established a visitor's centre, taxi services and staff housing for some teachers. It has trained six cooks and four community tourist guides. It has purchased carving stone to sell back to the carvers of the community. It has supported the Prenatal Nutrition Project in the community and has recently taken over the administration of the Igutaq Arts and Crafts Group. It has taken over the POI fuel contract in the community.

In conjunction with Apitak Development Corporation, a tourism industry is developing slowly but surely in Clyde River as well. Qullikkut Guides Ltd, which is owned by a group of hunters from our community, has attracted over $40,000 tourism dollars in the last month alone.

Employing ten men from the community, Qullikkut runs tours dealing with dog team and snowmobile trips in the spring and boat tours in the summer. Visitors are drawn to our community by the spectacular scenery and wildlife such as polar bears and the bowhead whales I mentioned last week. Sam Ford Fiord, in particular, is becoming a world renowned site for the big wall climbers, and a National Geographic team is presently on site making a television production and a magazine

article of the area.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that this kind of grassroots community development that is from the people and for the people is the basis upon which Nunavut will come to be a reality. Mr. Speaker, I would like to conclude my statement, please.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1405

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin Centre is seeking

unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Enuaraq , you have unanimous consent.

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Page 1406

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope this Assembly and the new Assembly of Nunavut will see fit to support the initiative of Apitak Development Corporation, and Quillikkut Guides and other community-based development organizations in the future.

The good news in Clyde River continues. I am pleased to tell this House that I was privileged to open Ilisaqsivik on March 2nd during one of my visits to my home community. Ilisaqsivik is a family resource centre housing the Health Children Programs, the community library, two counselling units, the Elders' office, and the office for Suqqaqkut, the Clyde River Women's Group. This centre has already had many positive repercussions in the community and has become a focus for groups and individuals from the community itself who are dedicated to supporting functional family life and social well-being in general.

There is great potential in this project and others like it to build Nunavut on a solid foundation.

Mr. Speaker, I intend to do my best to support these initiatives by lobbying for funds and other kinds of support to maintain community development such as this in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 1406

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 436-13(5): Infant Changing Facilities In Public Buildings

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1406

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have many laws and regulations governing public and their safety. Public facilities have many requirements to fulfil before they can open their doors for new businesses. However, Mr. Speaker, concerns have been brought to my attention over the lack of public facilities for parents with infants who require change room facilities. Many public areas do not have any facilities for parents who, in many cases, are forced to change their infants on dirty washroom floors or atop public tables.

Some newer facilities are now providing a wall mounted change table in their washrooms as a courtesy to their customers, and they are to be commended for this because it is not a requirement. I understand this piece of equipment retails for less than $300 and are sometimes installed in disabled washrooms, which are more spacious but can also be found in both men and women's washrooms in newer facilities.

Across the north, where we have such a young population, parents and caregivers are sometimes forced to use open areas or washroom floors to change infants which, as I am aware and I am sure all Members are aware, they are not always the most sanitary or safe. I would ask the Minister to consider incorporating a requirement for public washrooms to include changing facilities for infants such as a wall mounted change table in future amendments that he may be proposing for the act.

A new amendment to legislation to put the requirement of this small piece of equipment in public facilities would certainly be accommodating for the vast number of infants we have across the territories who require this facility. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Return To Oral Question 499-13(5): Education Boards' Hardship Program

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1406

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Barnabas on May 20, 1998, regarding the Education Board's Hardship Program.

Mr. Speaker, all teachers employed by divisional education councils are Government of the NWT public servants and fall into the same rental programs as other employees. Divisional education councils are not funded to provide specific rental subsidy programs for their employees and none have a program in place at this time.

For some time, however, the Government of the Northwest Territories has had the Shelter Assistance Program in place. This program is administered by the Financial Management Board Secretariat and is available to all Government of the Northwest Territories indeterminate employees who are tenants in housing where the government is the landlord. The program is designed to assist employees in situations where the shelter costs, which include rent and utilities, exceed 30 percent of the gross household income. Employees who meet these criteria may be eligible to have their rent adjusted downward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1406

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1406

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to introduce members of my family in the public gallery, my son George, my granddaughter Georgina, my grandson Jonathan, and my staff member, Patsy. Thank you.

--Applause

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Page 1406

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1406

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize John Quirke, who will be the future Clerk of the Nunavut Assembly. Mr. Quirke is a constituent of Yellowknife South, and we will hate to lose him. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 538-13(5): Arviat Health Centre Update

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1407

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . I wonder if the Minister could give this House an update as to the status of the proposed new Arviat Health Centre? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1407

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, as the Minister of Finance answered last week, it is one of the projects that is identified under the P3 pilots. With that as a consideration, there is going to be a request for qualified bids and request for proposals' outlines over the course of the next two to three weeks. In respect to the actual facility and a functional program in that facility itself, I know there is still work continuing on into the size and which programs are going to be required for that facility. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I did pose this question last week, and unfortunately, was not able to get all of the information I requested. Therefore, the second part of my question to the Minister is, does he have a timeframe in mind that the people of Arviat can look forward to as to when the process will be started? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the process has been underway for quite a well in respect to some of the initial planning for the facility. Could the Member clarify his question, is he referring to substantive construction, the hope is to get as far as possible so that we could possibly start some foundation work this year, certainly, with some of the more substantive building construction early in the next year? Right now, it is a matter of timing in respect to how quickly we can get out these proposal calls, how quickly the response is to come in and they are evaluated and signed off, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker that is exactly what I was referring to. I was looking for an approximate date as to when the tenders or the RFPs, whatever, will go out if they already have not gone out, and what the timeframe on a response on that would be? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated, all the projects are falling under the auspices of the Financial Management Board Secretariat in respect to the P3 projects. It is my understanding it is within two weeks minimum and four weeks maximum that it is expected to get through this request for qualified bidders and the request for proposals for all of the P3 projects with the exception of regional facilities that are on a different track, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could the Minister confirm whether or not consideration is being given to include a birthing centre within the new complex? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have the specific details of what programs are being considered at this stage. As I indicated, there is some work ongoing in respect to which programs and services will be provided for the Arviat Health Centre. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 539-13(5): Recruitment And Retention Of Nurses

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1407

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question, Mr. Speaker, is to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng . We have heard of the difficulties of a nursing shortage in the north and the problems that the GNWT is having in retaining medical staff, especially in the remote communities. Concerns have been raised regarding excess costs this government is now incurring given this problem. There are some questions I would like to direct to the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng , on this matter. First question, Mr.

Speaker, could the Minister of Health advise the House of the number of nursing positions currently vacant in the north where contract employees are presently providing the nursing services? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that is a fairly detailed question. I will take it as notice and provide the information. Thank you.

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Question 540-13(5): NWT Power Corporation Concerns

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for NTPC. I would like him to speak to the questions I referenced in my Member's statement in regard to the constituency concerns regarding NTPC and its current structure and the possibility of keeping it as a joint corporation. The first issue I would like him to address in that regard would be the issue of subsidies, could he speak to both issues of cross-subsidies given the fact that the majority revenues are generated in the west and the headquarters' subsidies as well? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is interesting that the subject of cross-subsidization comes up almost all the time when we discuss the Power Corporation, particularly, when we talk about continuing the corporation as one. It is a legitimate concern. People need to be assured there is no cross-subsidy. I would like to remind all Members this issue was put to bed once and for all last summer when the Public Utilities Board, after five years of painstaking work, came out with a decision, approved rates that ensured there was no subsidy going across the east/west boundaries.

Western communities are in no way subsidizing any Nunavut communities. The target over the next few years is to make sure all communities are paying their own cost of power.

In terms of there being a perception of unequal support for the headquarters operation, again, all of the costs and the expenditures of the NWT Power Corporation are examined in excruciating detail by the Public Utilities Board and by a number of lawyers representing all of the intervenors. We have, I am afraid to say, over the last five years killed a large number of trees to make enough paper, when stacked, darn nearly reach the ceiling in this Chamber, Mr. Speaker, to prove that there is a rationale behind the rates and that there is no inequality in the subsidy or the cost of headquarters apportioned to each community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, regarding the reference to the headquarters' subsidy is being apportioned out fairly, in relation to the communities that are serviced by another utility. There seems to be, like Northlands in Yellowknife, a distinct difference of disparities, especially given the difference in population of the communities. Could the Minister explain that balance and how it figures into the equation and how is that justified when some place like Fort Smith pays something like $600,000, and a community like Yellowknife I understand pays about $300,000 for the same kind of headquarters subsidy to Northlands? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would not want to confirm the figures that the Member has just used. What I will commit to doing is providing the Members of this House with clarification of what the numbers are in terms of the support for headquarters operations for those two communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the other issues in relation to the NTPC is the concern that the figure put forward of a five percent increase is a $5 million cost to the west if there is a split. This question, in light of the fact, the perception we will have headquarters for NTPC is, I do not know if fat is the word, but is perceived to be very ample that the corporation did not, in fact, experience the same magnitude of cuts that other programs and departments did, and that any corporation with good planning could absorb that kind of restructuring without passing on a rate increase. I am wondering if the Minister could to speak to that particular concern, as well? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the corporation is, in fact, a very lean operation. It has over the years since this government has taken over made itself even more efficient. Again, the Public Utilities Board acts as a proxy for competition and represents the interests of the public to guarantee that all of the operations of the corporation are examined in detail to ensure there are no extra employees, that the costs of headquarters are not being driven up by added payrolls. That, in fact, is what guarantee the members of the public that the corporation is run efficiently.

I would say that this issue is a red herring and I would say to the public that I am confident this is an extremely efficiently run corporation and is not one that has room to cut its operations and absorb a smaller size, if you will, without any increase. In fact, I have commissioned three different accounting firms to examine those figures and not one of them came back at less than a five percent increase across the west to support our own

headquarters if the corporation is forced divided. Just so that Members know from the Nunavut side, the numbers, depending upon which of the accounting firms we used, ranged between seven and just over nine percent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the Minister for his responses, and I would like to get from him a time line as to when he would be able to provide the information he referenced in terms of subsidies in relation to headquarters and the communities of Yellowknife and Hay River. In fact, I would appreciate it for all of the larger communities, if possible. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that information is all available right now. It has been filed with the Public Utilities Board and is public information. As I have stated, there is a lot of paper to go through and copied, which will take some time, but I will endeavour to make the information available to the Members before the end of this session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question at this time would be directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . As in my Member's statement, the Transition House in Inuvik has for sometime now been trying to get extra funding to fulfil and continue on a yearly basis. Every year they run into problems and had to consider closing its doors for a number of months to continue the following year. I brought this up with the Minister in the past, actually before the funding was transferred to the health board.

I would like to know from the Minister if there is any funding available for the shelters, especially since I have brought it up before that shelter in Inuvik was not funded at the same ratio as other shelters across the territories.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is correct. The funding has been transferred for shelters to all of the regional health and social services boards. I will commit to try and facilitate with them as to whether or not they can come up with some additional funding to meet the needs of this specific Inuvik Transition House. I would like to point out, Mr. Speaker, there are a lot of communities in some regions that do not have these types of facilities available, unfortunately. The main goal is to provide shelters in all communities.

It may not be at a specific shelter, but, certainly, to have some safe houses or a place where individuals needing assistance can be placed for their protection, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for endeavouring to facilitate this, but what I would like to know is, before it was transferred, was there discussion on increasing the funding to allow them to continue yearly operation without running into difficulties on the year end? When the transfer happened, was there any discussion at that time? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot recall any specific discussions on that matter, but as I indicated I am aware of the specific deficiencies throughout the Northwest Territories in not being able to meet or provide a shelter in every community, one that is totally funded by this government. As I indicated, our main priority is to be able to provide some protection for individuals in those circumstances where they require it, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the shelters, would the Minister endeavour to provide me with information on the existing facilities that are funded through this government and the amount of funding they received and continue to receive, whether it is through GNWT headquarters or the health boards? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I would be glad to provide that information to the Member. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last February, I had asked some questions of the Minister of the Executive , the Premier , to whom I wish to address my question regarding the termination benefits of laidoff employees. There was some concern that each employee be offered the same sort of benefit package as other employees. I have in hand a written return from the Premier which states there are cases where employees who have been laid off take court action against the government. Some cases have included allegations that the package provided is not adequate or appropriate in particular circumstances.

My question for the Premier is, has the government identified one central specialist charged with implementing the guidelines to ensure all employees are treated the same and fairly?

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Samuel Gargan

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take that question as notice. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to Minister Arlooktoo , Minister responsible for Housing . Mr. Speaker, there is a situation in one of my communities that the Minister is aware of. Mr. Speaker, I will not go into detail so as not to disclose the identity of the person in question. Sometimes we get into a situation, not by choice but by circumstances. The point is, can the Minister help this individual? Of course, he can. The question is, will the Minister help the individual to find time in order to find a solution to his problem? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. Do you wish to respond, Mr. Arlooktoo ?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been dealing with several housing issues in the community of Gjoa Haven, as we have in practically all communities across the NWT. At this point, I would not want to guess in the House which one that is, but what I would commit to, is talking to the Member and the housing client to ensure the client knows all of the options available.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same honourable Minister, as the Minister will not be guessing, it is the situation that I was talking to earlier today. Will the Minister look at this situation seriously and get back to me? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I do recall now the situation. It has to do with an individual who is in some financial difficulty with a number of sources, including housing, Revenue Canada, et cetera. What we can do is provide some advice as to which sources to go to, to get some help. The Housing Corporation programs are somewhat limited these days to people who can get bank financing unless someone is trying to get into social housing. Even in that case, we do require some financial responsibility. Yes, we can talk to the individual and once again, make sure the individual knows all the options. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the situation is serious. The individual is about to be evicted at the end of the month and as to finding a temporary solution, will the Minister provide temporary housing for this person until financial arrangements are made so the person can have shelter for his family? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The responsibility for housing in Gjoa Haven rests with the hamlet of Gjoa Haven. We transferred the power and authority and money to the hamlet this winter in a signing ceremony that I was involved in. What I will do is give the information to the hamlet council there to see if they can assist. We will do what we can to help in the housing field, but as I understand the case, there are other agencies that are involved, so our help will be limited to the housing area, but we will do what we can. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me borrow a phrase from the Minister. As I understand it, the individual has exhausted all efforts at the local level to find a solution. Will the Minister influence the community so that there is, in fact, a place for them to stay until a permanent solution is found? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I will suggest to the Housing Corporation is that they tell individual contacts, Revenue Canada and other creditors to ensure they are aware of the situation to see if some arrangements could be made for an extension of credit, et cetera, and also with the individual's landlord. In the end, it is up to the individual to ensure their personal finances and bills are paid. It is somewhat limited what the government can do, but as I say, we will do what we can to help. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 544-13(5): Access To Alcohol And Drug Program Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Health and Social Services . Two questions.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot say if the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services Board is giving the Tl'oondih Healing Society a difficult time or not. I do not have the information in respect to what was submitted. I would like to say that in an effort to try to make services more responsive, we have supported boards in their effort to have decision-making at the regional level.

That is reflective in establishing alcohol and drug specialists at a regional level to work directly with the communities to beef up some of the services that are available in each community throughout the Northwest Territories. If there is a specific problem with a specific proposal that the Member wants clarification on, on the process or the determinism of why it was or was not dealt with, then certainly I would be more than glad to assist him in getting that information, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is there any possible way that we can basically try and find a way to downsize the regional bureaucracy? This is who is probably sucking up all the money, the bureaucracy you are setting up at the Inuvik Regional Office which seems to be five or six people with basically no funds being accessed by the community. I have heard the same concern out of Aklavik that they are scrounging around trying to get funding just to deliver programs in their communities. Why is that? Why is the bureaucracy taking so much money, yet money is being allocated in the communities?

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as you know, the boards have the autonomy to design their administrative component given, I believe, they are as streamlined as the government, if not more so. I cannot speak on which positions are or are not there. I certainly am favourable or supportive of taking a look to see if there are specific problems in that area of the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services Board and would be more than glad to report back to the Member on that issue, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I found it awfully enlightening that the Minister is going to do something considering there was a motion passed in Committee of the Whole with regard to the Tl'oondih Healing Program. There have been meetings and a committee formulated within this House including the Premier , Minister of Finance , and yourself. It has been almost three years in the process, yet nothing has been done to try to eradicate the problem. I would like to ask the Minister, when and how soon could he basically try to resolve this problem and do an investigation on exactly why this is taking so long to resolve?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in respect to what I have made commitments on, we will do that as soon as possible. I would like to speak specifically on the Tl'oondih issue that the honourable Member has raised on numerous occasions. It is a two-sided sword, I guess, in respect that we ask for some information from the Tl'oondih Society in respect to the assessment that they had done by an independent consultant.

It is my understanding that some of that information was not received or followed up on by the society as well, but certainly, it is an issue that, because of the importance to the Member, I am more than happy to once again try to sit down with him and try to make some accommodation and try to assist him in moving this forward. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 545-13(5): Movement Of Grise Fiord Cars Operation

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1412

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation . I understand, in the community of Grise Fiord, the CAR station is in the hamlet office. A new ATB will be built by the airport. I understand that NAV Canada is not willing to move the CARS station to the new ATB. Will the Minister ensure that the CAR station is moved to the ATB building? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is true that we are building a new ATB in the community of Grise Fiord this summer. There should be provisions in this new building to accommodate a CAR operation, and at the present time we provide about 40 hours a week. We negotiated on behalf of the community with NAV Canada to provide this service, and I will look into the matter and make sure that if there are provisions in the ATB, then the CARS operation should move to the new ATB. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Question 546-13(5): Annual Cost Of Contract And Pay Equity Settlement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1412

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd . Mr. Speaker, we have been advised that pay equity is going to cost a one-time payment of $40 million and also, we have been told that connected to the bargaining offer is a $12 million signing bonus. I would like to ask the Minister what is the ongoing cost to this government if this collective offer is accepted and the pay equity offer is accepted? What are the ongoing costs to this government, on an annual basis, to assure that these employees receive their raise in pay and for northern allowance, et cetera? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleague for the question. As I said many times and I will try to clarify it today, $25 million is on the retroactive side, in other words, the money that is owed employees. There would be $9 million in ongoing costs associated with the Hay Plan Job Evaluation, and it would be approximately $6 million worth of ongoing costs over and above that. The ongoing continuous costs to the government would be around $15 million a year, give or take. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 547-13(5): Energy Costs In Private Dwellings

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1412

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation concerning privately owned housing regarding the energy and the utilities that come with it. As of April, we understand that the utility costs will be raised by 15 percent. This is the information that was passed on to me and I was asked to ask this in the House. Are we to expect rate increases for utilities for private housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned in my answer to Mr. Miltenberger earlier today, after five years of hearings before the Public Utilities Board, the Public Utilities Board directed that the Power Corporation set its rates to reflect the actual cost of service. In the past, what has happened in many communities is that the government rate has been higher than the cost of service and the private residential and private business rates were lower than the cost of service.

The Public Utilities Board has directed us to change the rates so that both government and the private residential and business people pay the same rates. This means that government rates are coming down and private rates are increasing in many communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Spea