Debates of March 5th, 2003

This is page numbers 505 - 540 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Harmonization Of Income Support And Public Housing

International Women's Week, International Women's Day

Premier Absent From The House

Lack Of Affordable Rental Housing In Yellowknife

Beaufort-delta Oil And Gas Development

GNWT Electronic Mail And Internet Usage Policy

Impacts Of Harmonization Of Income Support And Social Housing Strategy

Valuable Work Of Parent Advisory Committees In NWT Schools

Kamba Carnival On Hay River Reserve

New Hay River Playschool Building

Consistency In Government Policies And Initiatives

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Recognition Of Parent Advisory Committees

High School Graduation Requirements In The Nwt

GNWT Definition Of Consultation

Consultation On The Harmonization Initiative

A Single Power Rate Zone And The Energy Strategy

Discretionary Enforcement Of GNWT Human Resource Policies

Need For Changes To The Landlord And Tenancy Act

Re-designation Of Young Offenders Facility In Hay River

Phasing In Of Increases Under Harmonization

Cabinet Deferral Of Harmonization Strategy

Income Support In Small Communities

Harmonization Strategy Creates Three Classes Of Students

Reasonable Approach To Employees' Use Of Internet

Petition 2-14(6): Rental Rates And Affordable Housing In The Nwt

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Consumer Protection Act

Tabled Document 35-14(6): NWT Health And Social Services System: Accountability Framework

Tabled Document 36-14(6): Stanton Territorial Health Authority Operational Review: Implementation Team Status Report - January 31, 2003

Tabled Document 37-14(6): Discussion Paper: Territorial Law To Control Tobacco Use. What Do You Think? January 2003

Tabled Document 38-14(6): Hss System Action Plan 2002-2005: February 2003 Update

Bill 12: Nursing Profession Act

Bill 13: Deh Cho Bridge Act

Bill 14:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Bill 15:

An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act

To Discontinue The Strategy To Harmonize Income Support And Social Housing

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

To Change The Implementation Date Of The Strategy To Harmonize Income Support And Social Housing

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Roger Allen , Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Mr. Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Mr. Roland , Honourable Vince Steen

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Allen .

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Minister's Statement 28-14(6): Harmonization Of Income Support And Public Housing

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the past few weeks, we have heard considerable discussion regarding the implementation of the harmonization of the income support and public housing programs. Some Members have made comments suggesting that changes should be made to the initiative, others have encouraged us to move ahead with the planned April 1st implementation.

My Cabinet colleagues and I have given consideration to the comments that have been made in this House and to the comments of the Standing Committee on Social Programs.

This morning Cabinet agreed to proceed with the implementation of the harmonization initiative on April 1st of this year. We feel that the initiative is important and that the result of the planned changes will be positive.

However, we have also listened carefully to the comments that have been made. As a result, we have made an important change to our plans. This change will mean that seniors living in public housing on April 1, 2003, will not have their incomes assessed for rent purposes. In other words, Mr. Speaker, seniors currently living in public housing will continue to be treated in a similar manner to the way they are treated now.

Mr. Speaker, the harmonization initiative is an important activity for this government. It will result in a consistent rent scale and improved equity in benefits. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 28-14(6): Harmonization Of Income Support And Public Housing

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 505

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 29-14(6): International Women's Week, International Women's Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

This is International Women's Week and this Saturday, March 8th, is International Women's Day. These days provide a forum for people around the world to celebrate and recognize the achievements and contributions of women to our lives.

On behalf of the Premier and Minister responsible for the Status of Women, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , I would like to take this opportunity to recognize the contributions that northern women in particular have made in advancing equality issues for all people of the Northwest Territories.

Last year, we as Members of the Legislative Assembly passed the NWT Human Rights Act. Last week, we pledged to work together to develop and pass effective family violence legislation before the term of our government ends.

Together with the advancement of the GNWT's commitment to the social agenda and the ongoing work of the NWT Family Violence Coalition to develop an action plan on family violence for the Northwest Territories, these undertakings reflect a small part of the immense contributions northern women have made to the well-being of our families, our communities and our territory.

I would also like to recognize the work, guidance and expertise provided by organizations such as the Status of Women Council of the NWT, the Native Women's Association and the numerous community groups and individuals who work so tirelessly on women's equality issues.

Mr. Speaker, 2003 marks the 11th year for the Status of Women Council's Wise Women Awards awarded annually in recognition of the dedication and service women have given to the communities in which they live.

This year, five women were selected by members of the Status of Women Council of the NWT to receive this award: Lena Anikina from Tuktoyaktuk; Edith Squirrel from Fort Providence; Florencia Dacanay, of Yellowknife; Janet Grandjambe of Fort Good Hope; and, Leslie Paulette of Fort Smith.

Mr. Speaker, the positive and caring contribution that these wise women have made to their communities will be formally recognized tomorrow at the Bread and Roses luncheon to be held in the Great Hall beginning at 12:00 noon.

I invite all Members to participate in this special occasion. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 29-14(6): International Women's Week, International Women's Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 505

The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 30-14(6): Premier Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House for the remainder of this week to attend the Arctic Gas Symposium in Calgary. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 30-14(6): Premier Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Braden .

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Lack Of Affordable Rental Housing In Yellowknife

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the past three to four years, our territory has been leading Canada as the fastest growing economy in the country. We have been blessed with diamonds and petroleum development that promises to sustain us for years to come, but that superheated economic activity comes with a price, a very tangible price that we are paying as our social infrastructure struggles to keep pace. One of the most pronounced problems we face, and it isn't restricted to the city of Yellowknife, is dramatic pressure on our housing stock. Mr. Speaker, we just can't keep up with the demand.

The consequence, sadly, is what used to be an affordable and relatively available housing market is virtually non-existent. It's played havoc with the lives and the pocketbooks of the low and middle income earners, the single families, the young people trying to get a start on life and the elderly trying to make for a comfortable retirement.

Last fall, two Yellowknife business people, renters themselves, told me they wanted to do something and started a petition. I was pleased that Barry Newman and Mark Zimmer accepted my offer to help and today, Mr. Speaker, I will have the privilege of tabling a petition with the signatures of 405 Yellowknifers who agree with us.

What we are seeing is a better way to end and resolve the sky rocketing costs of rent. We want this government to do more to help developers build affordable rental housing. We want all Northerners to be able to afford to live comfortably, safely and within their means and share in the amazing future we have ahead of us. When I was in the malls and grocery stores looking for signatures, Mr. Speaker, I heard more stories from families and people, young and old, about the daunting rent hikes they are facing. Increases of 10, 12 and 14 percent every year for the past three years.

Grandparents forced to accommodate their own grandchildren who, as young adults, can't afford to strike out on their own. Single-parent students facing a rent bill of over $1,300 a month.

I also heard from landlords, Mr. Speaker, who need better ways of coping with problems that arise when tenants can't or won't hold up their end of the deal. Our objective, Mr. Speaker, is to get the government's attention and recognize that our 15-year-old landlord and tenant legislation just isn't helping us as we move forward into a new economy in the new NWT. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? You have unanimous consent, Mr. Braden .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The problem is that there are too many people with almost no alternatives when it comes to affordable rental housing. Mr. Speaker, the 405 signatures that I will put before the Assembly later today are ample evidence that government needs to look at the situation. To those who have dismissed our efforts as a thinly disguised effort at rent control, I say you are ignoring a very real problem that is affecting many people around us. This is not rent control. I do not want such a blunt and clumsy barrier to development.

Both renters and tenants deserve better ways to resolve issues than our laws afford them today. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Newman, Mr. Zimmer and I are under no illusions that the issues we are bringing forward are going to be solved right away. Finding good answers will take time, good research and a good deal of consultation. I appeal to the government to pay attention to the 405 people I represent today and make that commitment to the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Beaufort-delta Oil And Gas Development

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's been some time since we've heard of the Mackenzie gas project and where it's going. There have been meetings continually held around the North, but not too much news has come out until recently. Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the fact that yesterday Imperial Oil Resources, on behalf of the Mackenzie gas project proponents, announced that work will begin immediately in the Inuvialuit settlement region to help determine the optimum location of facilities in gathering pipelines. Mr.

Speaker, it's good news, indeed, to see we are continuing to move ahead in developing our own resources in the NWT so that someday we may take advantage of those resources and hopefully have some coming back, more so than now, to the Government of the Northwest Territories so that we can truly help our own people.

Mr. Speaker, hopefully we will hear more in the near future as to where they are going to go and how they are proceeding, as many people are waiting to see if there is going to be more movement and this definitely shows the momentum is still there and work is continuing and we will hopefully see the benefits from that throughout the NWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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GNWT Electronic Mail And Internet Usage Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier in this session, I asked the Minister responsible for the FMBS about the policy that we have today covering e-mail and Internet usage. From his response, I am concerned that there is a need to revisit the policy. He read a line from the policy that said, and I quote from unedited Hansard, February 25, 2003: "The use of this equipment or technology for any other purpose is not appropriate." Mr. Speaker, he then went on to say, again according to Hansard, that: "When inappropriate use is detected, employees are normally advised of this." Mr.

Speaker, the policy says no use except business use is acceptable and the Minister has advised us in the House that normally when this happens, employees are advised of it. Later, in speaking to the media, the Minister said the rules are not absolute.

Mr. Speaker, to me that means the policy as it stands is open to manipulation. There is a potential for supervisors to pick and choose when to enforce it. I think that's too arbitrary. It allows for selective enforcement. Right now, the way the policy is written forbids any personal use. Yet, Mr. Speaker, even our telephone policy admits that the GNWT allows, and I quote from that policy: "Employees to have reasonable use of government phones for personal reasons." The entire item covering phone use is about two paragraphs long.

There is no question about the policy, as to what is or what is not permitted under it. There is no room for selective enforcement by supervisors. Mr. Speaker, how can the government monitor whether supervisors are selectively dealing with our Internet policy as it now stands? The Minister stated in this House that there have been individuals disciplined under the policy. I am quite sure that other than those few select individuals, there are many others who use the Internet and e-mail for personal reasons.

Mr. Speaker, GNWT employees are using the Internet for personal use, just as they use the telephone for personal reasons. That's a fact. So why not recognize it as being used and come up with a simple and reasonable policy? If we are going to say it's okay some of the time, then let's say that. Perhaps we should say if you are going to use the Internet or e-mail for personal use, use it during coffee breaks or lunch hour or after work. Let's have something that makes sense and is consistent. Let's develop a policy that is simple, reasonable, clear and one that can be monitored across the board. Let's be fair to everyone. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .

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Impacts Of Harmonization Of Income Support And Social Housing Strategy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last couple of weeks, we have spent a lot of time on harmonization. I never spoke about harmonization until today. Mr. Speaker, my only stand on harmonization is that we are taking one income program we have now and totally changing that and adding something new. The reason for income support, to my understanding, is to help people get the basics. What income support is doing now is trying to make it a little more difficult for clients to be on income support so they could go and get a job. In the NWT, that shouldn't be a problem.

Mr. Speaker, in our smaller communities, that's not an option. If we are going to treat clients with dignity and respect, we should also recognize that there are no jobs that they could just get off income support and get a job. If we are going to be doing that, we should be providing an option for these communities, for these people in communities who are on income support because they don't have a choice, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we are trying to make it more difficult for people to be on income support, so they could go get a job, but what are we doing? We have regional organizations that are just another bureaucracy taking up the jobs, so that they could control communities by making them a social state. Now we have income support that says we are going to make it more difficult for you to be on income support and make it a viable option for you to go get a job, which means leaving town. The resulting factor is moving away from our smaller communities, into the regional centres, into the capital. My colleague, Mr.

Braden , talks about the tight housing market in Yellowknife. They are all coming from our communities. Why? Because we can't give them housing there, we can't give them jobs there. Most of them can't get a job because we haven't educated them well enough. Now we are going to make it more difficult for them to live in public housing, to be on income support, which is a basic right of this government. We don't even understand how income is assessed. We understand that IBA payments will be clawed back. We understand that the child tax benefit will be clawed back.

We understand that parents who get child support will be assessed as well. I asked them in my communities, have you been consulted? Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? You have unanimous consent, Mr. Nitah .

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we live in one of the highest costing environments in Canada and in the world. Yet, we have governments who have people in our communities that assess income on people who win at bingo, Mr. Speaker. While we can't even create jobs in our communities, we have government bureaucrats assessing people who win at bingo as part of their income. That's assessed as an income. Therefore, the next time they go to income support, they get a little bit less and their rent goes up a little bit higher. Does that make sense? Are we running a welfare state in our communities?

What's our definition of consultation? I am going to be asking the Acting Premier this question. There is a court case in British Columbia called Delgamuukw where consultation is a meaningful dialogue between those who are being consulted and those who are doing the consultation. My understanding is that a letter was sent out. That's not consultation, Mr. Speaker. That is just telling them this is what we are going to do. We don't know how you feel, but this is what we are going to do.

Until you provide options to people in our smaller communities with jobs, other than income support, let's try to treat our income support clientele and the housing clientele with a little bit more dignity and respect. They deserve that at least, Mr. Speaker. We fail in other areas, like I said education. That's one area where we fail big time. Now we are trying to degrade them because they have to be on income support. We try to force them to get a job. They are going to have to go to the mines. What happens to their children? There are a lot of single parents in our communities. Have we given them any thoughts?

What training do our staff at local housing authorities have? I don't know, Mr. Speaker. Nobody has told me yet. I have talked to some people in our communities. They try to train them, but because of glitches they never really complete those training courses. So a lot of our frontline workers don't understand harmonization and if they don't understand it, how are they going to deliver it? I will be asking the Minister responsible or the Deputy Premier on the meaning of consultation. What does consultation mean to this government? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

I would just remind Members that there is a time limit on Members' statements. It's two-and-a-half minutes and we hope you can try to do it within the time limit. If you ask for unanimous consent, try to keep it brief and wrap up your statement in a short time frame. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Valuable Work Of Parent Advisory Committees In NWT Schools

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on every first Wednesday of the month since becoming an MLA unless I am out of town, I have attended a parents' advisory group meeting at Range Lake North School. I will be doing that again tonight and, in their honour, I would like to speak about the enormously valuable work they do in the school and in our community. I also know that a similar group exists in all other schools in the city and in the Territories and I would like to honour all of them as well. Mr.

Speaker, the Range Lake North School PAC is made up of parents who volunteer their time, knowledge and resources for one reason and one reason only: because they care about the education their children receive and they want to contribute to that process. They don't expect anything else in return and they certainly don't get any remuneration for all their hard work. Sometimes they do get very disappointed when they hear public statements by leaders who seem to have less appreciation for the work they do than they ought to.

From my own experience, Mr. Speaker, I don't know any other organization more focused and effective in achieving their stated mission and objective. I was there at the end of last school year when they divvied up the money they raised by various means throughout the year. They voted to give $3,500 for band instruments and another $3,500 to be divvied between all classes, so that every home room teacher can buy supplies for their students. They also put $1,000 towards a science video collection so that their students could have access to this internationally renowned learning tool.

They provide a snack program, so that every student would have a snack when they need it if they don't have their own for various reasons. In the past, they have provided hats and mitts to students who don't come to school properly dressed, they make available reflective tape for students, so that they can travel safely in the darkness of the winter, they lobbied for flashing lights in school zones near the school to ensure the safety of the children as well. There is so much they do, it's too numerous to mention, Mr. Speaker. We also know about work being done by groups in other schools, Mr. Speaker.

PAC at J.H. Sissons this year made by hand a neck warmer with the school logo for every student. This was not only to keep the students warm, but to promote and enhance the school spirit. They plan to do it for a whole new set of students who will be entering their school next year.

I know that the committee in K'alemi Dene School in Ndilo is the driving force behind the success of that school as well. Mr. Speaker, I must tell you they do much more than organizing a fund raiser. They are deeply involved in every aspect of the functioning of the school. They are there to support teachers when they go through the stress of preparing report cards and parent teacher interviews. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

The Member for Range Lake is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do I hear any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, may I conclude by saying the parents advisory groups and committees are deeply involved in every aspect of the functioning of a school. They are there to support teachers when they go through the stress of preparing report cards and parent teacher interviews .They are intimately aware of the needs and ups and downs of all the staff and keep in close touch with the school administration, who also take active roles in the workings of PAC because they also know happy teachers make for a good learning environment for the students.

Last year, Range Lake North School PAC also organized a forum on class sizes and signed petitions for action and submitted it to the Minister and the school board. Mr. Speaker, I know I speak for every Member in this House when I say we fully appreciate and recognize the important work they do in every school and in every community in the Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

David Krutko

Thank you. I would just like to remind Members in the House, there are certain rules we follow with regard to what we bring into the House. I have been notified that a few jaws are moving. I hope you are chewing ice because we do not allow food in the Chamber. Water is allowed, you can be chewing on your ice. Just a reminder to Members. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Kamba Carnival On Hay River Reserve

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 508

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have been experiencing some very cold weather over the last couple of months, but it's not cold enough to discourage event organizers of the Kamba Carnival to see the show go on. The Kamba Carnival celebrated its 20th anniversary last week on the Hay River Reserve and it's an annual event organized and overseen by many volunteers who donate their time and energy to bring entertainment and fun to the community. It was a time for old friends around the North to come together and for new friends to be made.

This year's event was not unlike others. It was cold, but that didn't deter the many volunteers, the visitors and participants from enjoying the festivities. There were activities and games for all ages. The talent show which includes singing, jigging and break dancing was sold out at the Chief Sunrise Education Centre. The adult talent show was no different. It was filled to capacity with a lot of toe tapping going on. Richard Lafferty, once again, shared his skill on the fiddle. Karen Lafferty and Adrian Ducharme sang their way to first place in the women's and men's singing competition.

A real crowd pleaser, the jigging event, allowed spectators the privilege of watching Anna Coleman and Eddie McKay float and jig their way to first place in the over 50 category.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, another important event is the dog team races. This event is captivating and it not only provides for excitement, but it allows for reflection of the past and the importance of the dog teams as transportation for aboriginal people in the North.

Mr. Speaker, other events included snowshoe races, sled pull, hand games, all of which were well attended and participated in. Mr. Speaker, no event would be complete without some northern delights and no one was disappointed this year as there was plenty of fish, bannock and other types of country foods. Mr. Speaker, the winters are long and cold in the North. The volunteers who make events such as Kamba Carnival help people shake off the winter blues while working to keep the tradition alive and exposing our young people to those traditional ways that were once important to survival.

In closing, I would like to acknowledge and congratulate the Hay River reserve, the many volunteers, the participants and spectators who took

part in and made this year's Kamba Carnival a success. For this, I will applaud them and encourage them to continue the tradition. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .

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New Hay River Playschool Building

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 509

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to bring accolades to a wonderful initiative established by a very dedicated group of parents in Hay River, that being the new Hay River playschool building. The new building has been the dream of many parents in Hay River for several years.

Mr. Speaker, the building that the playschool had previously been housed in was built back in the 1950s and the playschool took occupancy in 1993. By 1999, through a number of fundraising initiatives, the playschool managed to pay off the mortgage and even accumulate a sizable building fund. This was no small feat, Mr. Speaker. Due to the extremely poor condition of the building by year 2000 or so, the playschool executive knew that something had to be done with the building. In looking at the amount of renovation that it would take to bring the building up to standard, it was determined that their only option was to build a new building.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity, once again, to thank the Honourable Roger Allen , Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation for the donations of two Housing Corporation lots in Hay River to the playschool. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce that as I speak, the floor is being laid in the new playschool building, the electrical, heating, mechanical and carpentry finishing will commence within the next couple of days.

The final inspection on the building is scheduled for March 31st and it is the playschool's hope that they can move into their new building over the spring break in April. Mr. Speaker, it goes without saying that a tremendous amount of work has been done over several years by the parents, volunteers, towards this very worthwhile project.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to recognize these parents. The members of the past building committee were Candy Carlton, Kathy Sperry, Ron Tordiff, Donna Dean, Leanne McLeod, Heather Desautels and Robert Fraser. Mr. Speaker, the current board building committee members are Louise Schumann, who is the building committee chairperson, Melanie Carter, Tracey Hill, Laurie Fraser and Rhonda Latimer, who is the playschool coordinator and also a teacher at the playschool. Mr. Speaker, I would like my colleagues to join me in congratulating the parents of the Hay River playschool on a job well done.

---Applause

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Consistency In Government Policies And Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to address the need for this government to be consistent in the initiatives that it brings forward. I would like to focus on two examples which have come up during the last year, which emphasizes how important it is to build on a common vision in order to create a unified territory, which is the goal of the document Towards A Better Tomorrow.

One of the much talked about issues during this session has been the government's proposed harmonization initiative. There has been a lot of debate about this initiative, both for and against, Mr. Speaker. During the discussions, I have been deeply disturbed at the lack of knowledge that Cabinet has about what impact this initiative will have on seniors, students and single parents. Mr. Speaker, I am concerned that Cabinet is promoting a strategy that is set to begin on April 1st without having considered its impact on target groups. At the other extreme, Mr.

Speaker, Cabinet refuses to address the issue of a one-rate zone for power throughout the Territories. We have information on what power users are paying in the communities and the Northwest Territories. The Power Corporation has a profit margin that they have to meet and using this, the Public Utilities Board could easily establish a one-rate zone for the territories. Mr. Speaker, on February 20th, I asked the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation to put the issue of a one-rate zone back on the table for discussion. I was told that I would have to wait until the energy strategy was done.

We have all the information, but Cabinet refuses to discuss this issue.

This is where we are not consistent in the way we do things. In this case, we have all the information we need to proceed and we know what the impact will be, both positive and negative, but Cabinet refuses to discuss this issue. In the case of harmonization, information is not available, impacts are unknown, but Cabinet is still going ahead with this. As we know, the harmonization initiative and Cabinet dropping the one-rate zone for electric power will both have a negative impact for the smaller communities. I think this government needs to look at why we are here. Is it to meet the needs of all Northerners or is it to follow the wishes of Cabinet? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Lafferty on February 27, 2003 regarding the amount of rent paid by Education, Culture and Employment for income support clients that are currently living in public housing. For the 2002 calendar year, the amount paid was approximately $155,000.00. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Ms. Lee .

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Question 154-14(6): Recognition Of Parent Advisory Committees

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 510

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to follow up on my Member's statement about the important role that the parents' advisory group and parent advisory committees play at many levels, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . My colleague from Hay River North talked about establishing something formal to recognize the work that is being done by firefighters. Has the Minister considered or has he ever communicated with these parents' advisory committees and groups to show that their work is valuable and appreciated? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We don't have a formal process, Mr. Speaker, to recognize the many individuals that are involved in the education system from administrators to teachers to classroom assistants, support teachers and so forth, including the volunteer groups like the DEAs in some cases and certainly the volunteer groups that are in the parent advisory groups. We should do that, Mr. Speaker, and I'm glad that the Member brought that up. Thank you.

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Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think this is a

section of our community that gives a lot that has been ignored. These are not boards that are appointed, they are not remunerated, they don't run for the office, they just silently go about doing their work, but they do important work. I wonder if the Minister could commit to look into this and see what sort of things he can do as a Minister to recognize and show that their work is appreciated? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is absolutely correct. These are volunteer individuals who spend a lot of time providing assistance and guidance to our educational bodies. I agree with the Member that we should formalize a method by which we can recognize these individuals and I'll proceed to do that, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister's willingness to look into this and to take action on it. May I ask the Minister to conclude that deliberation and advise us by June session as to what precise action that he would be taking in that regard? Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will certainly work on it immediately. I'm not sure if we can give the details as to what we can possibly do for recognition by the end of this session, but I'm sure that we can get some things rolling fairly quickly, Mr. Speaker, because we will be nearing the year end within a couple of months and we want to ensure that those parent advisory groups are recognized and the individuals that are working on them. Thank you.

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Final supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was going along so well and it looks like I hit a bump there. Mr. Speaker, what I was suggesting to the Minister is to have a response by June session, not by the end of this session. I believe that is enough time for the Minister to... I don't mean a lot of money or anything like that, but I think there is a lot that can be done to recognize them and to show them that they are appreciated. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we can certainly do that. It would be my desire to have this done before June, Mr. Speaker, because, as I said, the representation on some of the parent advisory groups may change next year and school year end is approaching at the end of June. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Question 155-14(6): High School Graduation Requirements In The Nwt

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the last couple of days, I've questioned the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment on the quality of the education in our schools and some of the testing that goes on and what it actually means. I would like to continue with that, Mr. Speaker. The question I have for the Minister is, at one point in the Northwest Territories and throughout Canada a Grade 12 diploma meant something, it told potential employers that you'd achieved a certain quality and that you were able to step into the workforce and begin some tasks in that scenario. Mr.

Speaker, what I understand now is that a Grade 12 certificate is not of much value nowadays and I would like to confirm if it is or not by asking the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment if, in fact, a Grade 12 diploma is required when students to go college or university.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, my understanding is that for university programs, a high school graduation certificate is required and in order to get that high school certificate, the student must pass 100 credits of coursework, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So what is required to receive a Grade 12 diploma in the NWT? What is required? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have that information at hand here, whether that would apply to any and all courses that a student wishes to enter into at university. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to get back to the Member with the number of students who would be in that category.

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Question 156-14(6): GNWT Definition Of Consultation

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Under harmonization, we've been told that communities, community governments, Aboriginal governments and non-governmental organizations have been consulted. Our frontline workers have been trained to deliver harmonization. I would like to ask the Deputy Premier , Mr. Antoine , what is the policy of this government in terms of consultation. What does consultation mean to this government?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in this particular case on harmonization, my understanding is once this issue was agreed upon by Cabinet, there was a communication strategy put together by the Housing Corporation to move this initiative forward. So, as Cabinet, we agreed upon a strategy and that's what's being implemented. In terms of what I think consultation means to us as a government, whenever there is an initiative we need to get that information out and there are different forms of communication, either through letters, newspaper or radio or TV. We have staff out there.

As Ministers, we try to do it as personally as possible, but in this case, the Housing Corporation initiated their staff to go out and do that work. Thank you.

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Deputy Premier mentioned a communications strategy. When I called the people that I represent, they haven't been communicated with. The Delgamuukw decision on consultation is adequate consultation and informed consent. That means the other party has to understand what they've been told. As far as I am concerned, there is no understanding of harmonization. So I ask the Minister, has the communications strategy been...What is the communications strategy and has that been used? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In this case, from what I have been told and my information here, the NWT Housing Corporation has been working with the staff in the regions, as early as last September, to start looking at how they could implement this. I understand there were letters that went out to individuals and regions. I have seen copies of the letter. In this case, I don't know the detail of what happened in the communities, but from what I am told, the work is to try to get the information to the people who are going to be affected and that is the responsibility of the people in the region to provide that consultation. Thank you.

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recognizing the Supreme Court of Canada put a legal definition on consultation, is the Deputy Premier comfortable that his government's departments have consulted and gotten informed consent from the clients and those who represent the clients at the community level, so that the government could go out and assess their bingo incomes, their IBA incomes, their child tax income, their support payment incomes and use that as assessed income which would be put towards their rent in public housing and the amount of money they would get from income support?

Is the Minister comfortable with the legal definition of consultation and that his government's departments have done this consultation and gotten informed consent from the communities and people that represent the clients of public housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not familiar with that detail of consultation at the community level. The Minister responsible, Minister Roger Allen , has that detail, so I would refer that question to him for the detail. Thank you.

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a pretty detailed question. Our obligation under the harmonization policy was to consult with all the stakeholders, the local housing organizations who are, under legal statutes, an agent of the NWT Housing Corporation. So they have assumed that mandate. Now if it requires consultation of the leadership, then we have already developed that process. We have consulted with those who have a vested interest in the administration of social housing in the communities, as well as in the regions. We have certainly addressed those key interest groups. Thank you.

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Mr. Nitah , your final supplementary.

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, people in the communities, a great many of them are in public housing. They make up part of the fabric of the community. As such, their local elected leaders, the chief and council, the Metis council, the mayors, have to deal with this clientele. If members of the communities have been assessed as income earners, that affects the fabric of the community.

When communities stop reporting bingo winners on local radios because they are afraid that this government is going to use that information to claw back the money, then you should consult the leaders of the community to make sure that when you are clawing back IBA payments to band members who negotiate based on treaties... I know this government doesn't want to get into the legal definition of that, but you should consult the chief and councils on that issue.

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As far as I am concerned, there is no consent here. Will the government go and consult the leaders of communities, the clientele of public housing and get informed consent before they push this harmonization through and disrupt community life? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are sensitive to the situation, but if we want to talk about legal terms, then the local housing organizations are a legally elected board. They are responsible for acting as agents of the NWT Housing Corporation and this government in this specific area of questioning here. So we have those who deal with those legal boards and legal authorities and will continue to do so. If it involves other leadership in the communities, yes, we are prepared to sit down and talk to them to see what their issues are. But in the context of the question, we do have a legal authority which we have dealt with. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 157-14(6): Consultation On The Harmonization Initiative

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is also to Minister Roger Allen , Minister of Housing . I listened with interest as he made a weak attempt to repair this terrible initiative that's been thrown in our laps. I wanted to ask the Minister, I have had the opportunity to follow up on some of his comments stating that there has been a communication plan and he's contacted the people in the different communities. Well, I am not finding that. I can't find that. I have talked to people from the seniors' society who state they don't support some of this initiative.

In this day and age, where we are moving into land claim settlements and self-government negotiations, we have to take into consideration other governments that are out there. I want to ask the Minister responsible, if you could give me a list of all the band councils, all the aboriginal organizations, the Metis councils and the town councils who were informed of these changes that are going to be brought about as a result of the harmonization strategy and if he's also talked to the Aboriginal Summit, Mr. Speaker.

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hear another question and rightfully so, but again we are talking about a communication strategy that has been followed through, definitely. Yes, I have a series of dates, times and who participated in those workshops. Also, Mr. Speaker, one of the things that we have done was that the people on the Standing Committee on Social Programs on several occasions, as well as AOC, briefed members what was involved in the policy. It's pretty difficult to defend the rationale here. If the questions arise, I will speak definitely to the South Slave.

One of the workshops was held at the Fort Providence Snowshoe Inn February 4 and 5, 2002; with district staff, February 6 to 8, 2002; with LHO staff, and it goes on to list a number of other agencies: Hay River Housing Authority, Fort Providence Housing Association, Fort Resolution Housing Authority, Fort Smith Housing Authority, Fort Simpson Housing Authority. So there have been a number of attempts to provide training sessions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has given us a long list of his staff and his LHOs. My question was what political bodies has he talked to? Mr. Speaker, the Minister states it's hard to define his position. Well, it's hard for us to support it because we've asked for financial information which he has not provided to us. How do we know what the financial implications of this whole document are going to be if we have not seen any information on the cost implications of this whole initiative? Can the Minister supply that to us, Mr. Speaker?

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been asked through a written question by a Member. I have been asked by AOC to provide a detailed analysis of the cost. I have been asked a number of questions and I said I needed sufficient time to have our officials from the NWT Housing Corporation detail those responses and they will respond as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, we are running out of time. This House is going to be concluding soon. I would like to ask the Minister if he could provide this information we have been asking for by Monday? Can we have that before the closing of this House?

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I have requested transcripts of a number of meetings and a number of requests. The unfortunate

part is much of the information that is requested is detailed specifically to a committee or a series of committees and that is taking a bit of time to compile, but I will find out as soon as I can, Mr. Speaker.

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Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Along with that commitment, would the Minister also commit to providing information as to what organizations were contacted, what governments were contacted and when. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will concur with that request. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said in my statement, there is an energy strategy out there. I am sorry, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the honourable Member for Nahendeh , the Deputy Premier . Since we have an energy strategy happening, we are using that as an excuse not to go with a one-rate zone for electrical power in the communities. Why, if we have all the information we need already, do we have to wait for the energy strategy to go forward with putting one rate zone in the NWT? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The energy strategy that this government initiated about a year-and-a-half ago is scheduled to be in place by June. We are going through community-by-community consultations at this point in time. We are trying to develop the whole strategy. The one-rate zone is part of that whole package. To pull it out of that whole package to pursue it, we didn't go down that track because we want to have it in one single package, along with everything else. Thank you.

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Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we heard questions about harmonization and we heard what it might do to our people, we don't have all the information but we are going forward with it. I would like to ask the Deputy Minister what the difference is between the one-rate zone versus harmonization? What is the difference? We have more information here, but we don't go forward. Why don't we go forward? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are lots of differences and a lot of similarities, as well. But I guess the main difference is in terms of the strategy, we wanted to look at all the different ways we view energy in the NWT. One aspect of it is the way we provide power in our communities. Some communities have hydro, some communities have diesel, and now we have communities that have natural gas up in Inuvik. So there are different forms of energy.

Before we get any further into it and rushing into it, we wanted to get the views of people in the NWT and come out with a good, comprehensive energy strategy that looks at all of these different approaches. We are talking about a natural gas pipeline coming down the valley and how we are going to deal with it. Are we going to ask for the pipeline to be close to communities, so we can access natural gas or is it going to be far away from them? All these different ideas are out there. There is talk about hydro as well.

So, that is the approach that we're taking and I really believe that we need to have a good energy strategy and it takes time to have a high level of discussion in the communities and that is what people are saying in the communities, from the reports I've been getting. Thank you.

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North Slave

Thank you, that was a long answer but it wasn't the answer I was looking for. I would like to ask the Deputy Premier if he can answer my question: why the government doesn't want to go forward, if they have all the information because the strategy is going to be in June. Right now people are paying different rates of power in the community. In Rae-Edzo, they are paying almost twice the power as Yellowknife, and we are on the same hydro line, so, it is not fair to tell the smaller communities to pay more when everybody is trying to say, well, we're harmonized, we make everybody equal.

Well, if we want the same medical care but then this government is doing wrong to the other thing, not trying to be fair and equal. I would like to ask the Deputy Minister, will he talk to his Cabinet and see if they can push forward without waiting for the strategy. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the one-rate zone is not the only option but a lot of people in the House know this, that there are different options to look at it. Yes, I will address Cabinet to see if we could look at it in light of the fact that there is still a strategy process in place. I don't know how that is going to be done but I will ask. Thank you.

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Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to remind the Deputy Minister in the Cabinet that there was no strategy in place and they did try to implement the one-rate zone and we almost had it and then it was scrapped for whatever reason. I would like to ask him if he can work with the Regular MLAs on this side and see how we can work together as a consensus government. Thank you.

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Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I always like to work with Members on the other side. We are all here for one reason, to work with and for people in the whole North, that is, every community in the North and certainly we hear what the Member is saying and we will address that at the cabinet. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for FMBS . Mr. Speaker, we in the government pride ourselves on having a dedicated and professional civil service and I know that our supervisors are doing their best to ensure that they are being fair. I expect that the Minister would agree that we don't want to put supervisors in a position where they can be accused of selectively enforcing personnel policies. I think we have that right now with our Internet and e-mail policy. I would like to ask the Minister; is it common, in other personnel policies other than the Internet and e-mail, for it to be left up to the supervisor whether or not they are enforced?

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Joe Handley

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Mr. Speaker, certainly there is always discretion with managers, supervisors. Managing people, managing an office environment is a matter of following the policies but also using a lot of common sense, and we do allow managers and supervisors that ability to make good decisions and maintain a good working environment, so, certainly they have some discretion. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, so if there is a level of discretion, let's say for instance, when a government employee is conducting a private business from their office, does the supervisor have the opportunity to ignore that or turn a blind eye to government offices being used for private business.

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Joe Handley

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Mr. Speaker, the policy with regard to the code of conduct and use of e-mail and Internet is very clear, that people cannot conduct a private business from their office. In that kind of situation where the manager is absolutely clear that this is what is happening, then there is no discretion and the manager should not be overlooking that. That is very clear in our policies. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the policy is written on Internet and e-mail use, it is absolutely prohibited to be used for personal use. So, given that that is practically unenforceable, would the Minister undertake to see if a reasonable policy, like the one covering phones, can be developed for e-mail and Internet use?

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Joe Handley

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Mr. Speaker, certainly I can do that. I don't know what the Member is referring to as a policy on telephones. There is a

section of the code of conduct that deals with using government equipment and property. So, maybe that is the

section you are referring to. The Internet and e-mail policy is also very clear. Now, there are always some areas where some discretion is allowed and, Mr. Speaker, I'd say that we cannot ask of our civil service any more than we ask of ourselves. I would say to all of us, we are managers too, we all have staff, we manage, we use these things. I think we have to put this same test to ourselves and I'm certainly prepared to do that, take a look at what is happening and ensure that we have a policy that is workable... maybe start right here in our Legislative Assembly. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, maybe the Minister wasn't listening to my statement. I didn't say that I thought we should have a policy that prohibited use; I said that is the way the policy reads now. I say that our policy, right now, is wrong. Let's recognize that it is wrong and let's develop a policy that is fair to our employees and recognizes that the Internet and e-mail services are being used. Can the Minister undertake to examine our policy with that in mind?

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Joe Handley

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Mr. Speaker, I do not believe our policy is wrong. I believe our policy allows discretion in the use, for example, of e-mail and Internet and I think that the managers and the employees have to use good judgment in how they are using it, but there are some areas that are absolutely prohibited. Running a business in your office is prohibited but using the Internet or using a telephone to check on the weather tomorrow, that may be something that is accepted in an office. So, this doesn't make the policy wrong, Mr. Speaker. We have to allow some discretion.

The world isn't all black and white and there is no way you are ever going to manager-proof every office in any government organization, whether it is here or in one of the government departments downtown. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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