Debates of Feb. 12th, 1997

This is page numbers 557 - 601 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Television Program On Suicide Prevention

Federal Support For The Western Constitutional Process

Recognition Of Maca Staff By The Yellowknife Women's Society

Notification Of Job Losses

Fire Education Programs

Priorities For The Balance Of The Term

Western Constitutional Process

Impact Of Anti-seal Hunting Groups

Funding For Day Care Centres

Socio-economic Benefit Agreements

Yellowknife Women's Centre

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Fire Education Programs

Notification Of Job Losses

Diamond Evaluation Facility

Student's Concerns With Assistance

Vacant Positions In Rwed

Protection Of Democratic Rights

Staff Training Programs

Funding For Day Care

Education Board Funding

Seniors' Fuel Wood From Correction Centre

Written Question 15-13(4): Information On Grievances

Written Question 16-13(4): Staff Training Participation Levels

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 557

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Good morning. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 45-13(4): Television Program On Suicide Prevention

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 557

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, the suicide rate for teenagers in the Northwest Territories is two and a half times the national average. This is a serious concern for this government, for the education and health care systems, as well as for communities and families. A better understanding of the factors that contribute to teen suicide is essential. Teenagers need information about how to deal with the pressures and stresses of their lives. People who care for, or work with youth need to be able to recognize suicidal behaviour, so they can find help for young people who may be thinking about ending their lives.

This evening, "Live and Well", a television series produced by Education, Culture and Employment, will air a show about teen suicide. The show is called "Facing the Pain: Suicide Prevention for Teens". It is a joint project between Education, Culture and Employment and Health and Social Services. "Facing the Pain" is a television drama created by a group of Fort Smith high school students. It follows the thoughts and actions of two characters as they contemplate suicide. The show includes educational information about how to identify suicidal behaviour.

The ultimate message of the show is that the only way to grow as a person, and the only way to deal effectively with problems, is to face painful situations. The two characters in the TV drama eventually recognize that their lives are valuable and take steps to resolve their problems. The show also emphasizes that talking about suicide and personal problems is the first stop towards healing.

After the drama is aired, people will have the opportunity to phone the show to ask questions or discuss issues. Professional counsellors from various health backgrounds will be screening the calls. Members of the audience will also be able to e-mail or fax their thoughts about the show.

"Facing the Pain" will be shown on Television Northern Canada, that is TVNC, tonight at 6:30 p.m., Mountain Standard Time. It will be repeated on Friday at 11:00 a.m. and Monday night at 8:00 p.m., Mountain Standard Time.

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Minister's Statement 45-13(4): Television Program On Suicide Prevention

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 557

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 46-13(4): Federal Support For The Western Constitutional Process

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 557

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi and I met with the Honourable Ron Irwin, Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs, in Calgary on February 8. I am pleased to inform you that Minister Irwin has announced his continuing support, along with the Government of the Northwest Territories, for the Constitutional Working Group working to have a new constitution in place for the western territory when the NWT is divided in 1999.

Minister Irwin also joined the Government of the Northwest Territories in accepting the general objectives set out by the Constitutional Working Group in Partners in a New Beginning, as the basis for developing a new model of government for the western territory. The bottom line objective in the Partners proposal is to bring together public government and aboriginal self-government at the territorial level in a manner consistent with the constitution of Canada, including the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, treaties, land claims and self-government agreements.

Together with Mr. Irwin, we agree that we must work diligently towards a new Act, passed by Parliament, which will replace the existing Northwest Territories Act which no longer reflects our needs or the realities of the post-division environment.

Partners proposes that the Act be accompanied by a companion self-government agreement which would acknowledge and ratify the new federal Act as a system of government which implements, in part, the aboriginal inherent right of self-government at the territorial level.

Minister Irwin agreed that federal officials will work closely with the Constitutional Working Group over the next few months to help resolve any concerns that have been raised or which may be raised with the current proposal in Partners. He also agreed to seek support from his Cabinet colleagues once an acceptable final proposal is complete. We thank him for this and for his continuing support.

Over the next few months, the Constitutional Working Group will be seeking the views of the public on a constitution for the west, consistent with the objectives in Partners. It is our expectation that, based on reactions from the public and on input from the federal government, the Constitutional Working Group will produce a final constitution, consistent with the principles which we collectively support, that will then be put before the public for ratification.

Mr. Speaker, the date for division is rapidly approaching. It is essential that the Constitutional Working Group has the support and active involvement of the public and the federal government in order to complete a final constitutional proposal and see a new Act passed by Parliament before April 1999.

I acknowledge that the northern agenda is very crowded, but I strongly believe that, in key areas, and this is one, we need to get the job done. This is also the case in relation to establishing Nunavut, negotiating formula financing for both territories, streamlining government in accordance with fiscal restraint, and continuing to negotiate aboriginal land claims and self-government agreements. Some would suggest that we set aside the development of a constitution for the western territory until after division and aboriginal rights agreements are settled. Mr. Speaker, we simply do not have that luxury.

If we allow the April 1999 deadline to pass, the pressure will be off and there may be very little enthusiasm or commitment to see the job done. I believe we need to act when it remains possible to do so.

Mr. Kakfwi and I welcome Minister Irwin's commitment and encourage the Constitutional Working Group to seize this opportunity to move ahead. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 46-13(4): Federal Support For The Western Constitutional Process

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 558

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 47-13(4): Recognition Of Maca Staff By The Yellowknife Women's Society

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 558

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Wednesday, February 5, 1997, I had the pleasure of attending the open house at the Yellowknife Women's Centre. The Yellowknife Women's Society recently received a grant from CMHC to do some long-overdue renovations to their facility. I had the honour of accepting an award in recognition of the many acts of support that the staff of MACA has given the Women's Centre. The award reads, "1997 Humanitarian Award of Notable Achievement and Excellence for the Advancement of Social Development and Community Prosperity".

As some of you may know, the Yellowknife Women's Society provides several services to the women of the Northwest Territories and their families such as: a hot lunch program; a food, clothing and furniture depot; and advocacy and support for women in their dealings with other agencies, employers, landlords, and the legal system.

The Women's Society has received an ongoing contribution of $30,000 from the GNWT, which assists with the core expenses. For the last two years, the Women's Society has received funding from Brighter Futures Canada. This is a federal government program to promote healthy babies and mothers, by providing high-risk pregnant women with information about health care during pregnancy and after delivery.

The efforts of volunteers are indispensable in a not-for-profit organization. Many staff members from MACA have contributed both time and money to helping make the centre flourish. They have taken positions on the Board of Directors. They have provided cooking and baking for the annual Christmas dinner. They have assisted at fund-raising bingos and have made many donations to the food and clothing depots.

I am very proud to be associated with this department. Please join me in expressing my congratulations to my staff. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 47-13(4): Recognition Of Maca Staff By The Yellowknife Women's Society

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 558

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Ministers' statements. Before we go on to Members' statements, I would like to recognize the Member for Yellowknife North , whose birthday it is today. Happy birthday, Mr. Erasmus .

-- Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Notification Of Job Losses

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend I returned home and had a public meeting with the residents of Inuvik. At that meeting, I supplied some information to my constituents on the overall impact of the reductions that are happening in the community.

Mr. Speaker, my concern is that, with as much fluidity in the budget that has been put forward, it is hard to give a definite answer as to what is happening, when it comes to the impacts. One of the things -- I just received a call -- was a concerned person from Inuvik who had heard there were some PY reductions coming. The rumour had started that someone was going to lose their job. Right now, with the information I have, I could only put "potentially" and I think we need to address that. When we go through committees and we are at this stage, the budget is tabled in the House to have fixed information.

When we go to our communities and explain the impacts, or the possible impacts, on a community of these reductions, that we would be giving accurate information. I do not want to be said to be spreading fear in the community that more jobs are being lost. That is the last thing I want to do, especially in the community of Inuvik, which has been hard hit already. So, I will endeavour to find out the correct information from the appropriate Minister during question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Notification Of Job Losses

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 559

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Fire Education Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is regarding to the whole problem that arose yesterday in relation to the fires in Fort McPherson and also other communities in the north. There has to be a mechanism in place to deal with not only the problem, but educating the youth and making them aware of the cause of fires and the destruction of fires and the effects that it has on people and the community.

Mr. Speaker, in the past, this government offered a learning not to burn program. This program raised an awareness amongst youth about the damage caused by fires, only the Department of Safety and Public Service cut this program. Since then we have seen an increase in youth in fires, including the fire in Fort McPherson and incidents involving some children setting fires to other children. Mr. Speaker, this is an urgent matter and has to be dealt with by this government. I believe that education is the way to go in dealing with the youth and making them aware such incidents that have occurred. Mr.

Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of MACA to seriously consider looking at implementing this program in relation to a "Learn Not To Burn" program for the youth in the communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Fire Education Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 559

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Priorities For The Balance Of The Term

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have been in office 16 months now. We took office facing a very difficult and demanding agenda. We are a third of the way through our term and we have 25 months to go until division. The budget and the deficit reduction program has consumed a lot of our time and we only have one year left to implement our next priorities, then, a year left to accomplish that. Our deficit elimination program is underway and, hopefully, under control and seems to be working baring any unforeseen disasters.

I have taken some time to sort out what seemed to be some priorities for the people of the NWT and for myself. There are many, many issues and sometimes the number of issues seems insurmountable. All are very important. But the priorities for me now, with 780 days left until the two new territories are created, division is certainly an area that I feel that we all need to concentrate on. In the division area, there are issues like formula financing, division of assets, GNWT staff employment, and ongoing east/west relationships among some of the issues.

Then, of the other major issues that are of great importance to me, is job creation. This includes the student employment program. Another item is tackling our social, health, and education programs which always appear to be gigantic, the difficulties that we seem to face there. Another issue is creating a more effective and responsible territorial government. In that I see improving employee morale as a necessity and sorting out the affirmative action policy. Mr. Speaker, these are four major issues that I think we need to concentrate on for the next couple of months and two years in office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Priorities For The Balance Of The Term

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 559

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Western Constitutional Process

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to briefly comment on the issue of the constitution and the process we have laid out before us. Mr. Speaker, last weekend in Fort Smith there were some very clear comments from some of the leaders in regards to their opinions on how this process should unfold and directions that should be taken. I value that kind of input and it is the kind of input that we are going to be seeking from all the people of the western territory. I think it is very important to keep in mind that we have to proceed with the process underway. We have an opportunity that may not come again for awhile to look at what type of government we want in the western territory.

There are very strong opinions on this issue. The document that we put out provoked discussion as it was supposed to do. But I think people have to keep in mind that we have to go through the process and we need to hear from more than just political leaders. We have to hear from the people in the communities, all the communities in the western territory. If at the end of the day, we get a consistent message then I think we will be obligated to reflect that message.

But I think that we have an obligation to very clearly tell the people not only what is in that package, but we have to communicate as effectively as possible all the things that are happening. This is a very fluid situation where there is a rolling draft. The Minister indicated that there has been a meeting with Minister Irwin and that they have made a sufficient move in terms of their involvement.

So, we have an obligation in this House, especially the Members of the western territory and the Constitutional Working Group, to be very effective in how we communicate what is happening so that people have a full picture as they try to make the decision on how we proceed with the constitution for the western territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Western Constitutional Process

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 559

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Impact Of Anti-seal Hunting Groups

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) Many Members of this House spoke about the national media's video of seal hunting in Newfoundland. Today, I would like to talk about this a bit more. I would like to speak about how Inuit often bear the brunt of the media stories created by animal rights activists. The video seen a few days ago on national television showed seals being slaughtered alive. A group described this as cruel, criminal and out of control.

Although this footage was a specific case in Newfoundland, my concern is that all seal hunters, including the Inuit, will be tainted with the same brush. What will Canada or the world think about Inuit people now? These animal rights groups have had a devastating effect on the livelihood of Inuit seal hunters in the Northwest Territories. We all know that aboriginal people have the highest unemployment rate, the highest suicide rate, and the highest alcohol rate in Canada. Mr.

Speaker, these groups play on issues like this but seem to forget about how important it is for Inuit hunters to maintain their culture and traditional way of life. Anti-seal hunting groups say the seal hunt must end. This is not realistic or fair to Inuit hunters. The Inuit hunt not only hunt for fur but for food as well. Our traditional lifestyle is very important to us. We cannot allow people who know nothing about us, to tell us how we should live our lives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Impact Of Anti-seal Hunting Groups

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Funding For Day Care Centres

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Good morning and thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning I would like to take this opportunity to talk about day cares. Mr. Speaker, as the former President of the Iqaluit Childcare Association, and having been and still am accessing day care, it is becoming obvious that the financial implications to students, parents and the different non-profit organizations that are running day cares is becoming of great concern.

Mr. Speaker, over the past couple of years with reductions to wages and increased costs, day cares have had to rely on fund-raising more and more. As we all know with the less dollars available out there, this is starting to have a negative impact on these day cares, because they cannot raise the proper funds to operate the day care. Also the cost of having a child in day care has increased. For example, Mr. Speaker, it costs myself and my wife $320 every two weeks to have our son in day care or $640 a month. Mr. Speaker, in some parts of this country, $640 a month would be a good mortgage payment.

The financial help to help offset these costs are very minimal. Volunteer boards are having to deal with higher operating costs and lower monies being generated from fund- raising because of less money, as I said earlier, in the public's pocket.

Mr. Speaker, day cares provide not only essential services, but are also a place where a child can be brought up in a safer environment. Statistics have shown that children attending day cares have better opportunities to improve academically when they go to school. Mr. Speaker, later today, I will be asking the appropriate territorial government Minister on our support to day cares in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Funding For Day Care Centres

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Socio-economic Benefit Agreements

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to talk about a reference that was made by one of my colleagues yesterday in committee of the whole. The inference made was that the companies that come to do business in the Northwest Territories are just going to automatically deal with northern companies because we are here, because we are competitive and because we are going to go after their business. This was in relation to BHP and the fact that there was business going on between BHP and northern companies prior to any socio-economic agreement being signed or put in place by this government.

In thinking about those and reflecting on those remarks Mr. Speaker, it comes to mind that we have had many things in the north over the years. We have had uranium. We had had oil. We have had gas. We have had gold. We have had zinc mines. We have had many things. We have seen companies come in and reap the benefits of these natural resources that are here in the Northwest Territories and unfortunately many times these benefits have flown right over our heads. There has been nothing and no arrangement in place with teeth in it to keep these jobs and these monies in the Northwest Territories.

I could give you an example here. I have had research pull out some old newspaper articles from Hay River. When Colomac, before they fired up their operation, their gold mine, Royal Oak Mines, big newspaper headlines in Hay River read "Colomac Chooses Hay River as Base", "Hay River Pickup Point for Colomac Mine", and how excited we were when we heard these things in Hay River. As time went on, eventually the pickup point, the contract was cancelled.

Now today we know that there has been recently a memo sent out to staff of Colomac telling them that they can pick up their quick tickets at the airport here to come out of Edmonton. We were down to eight residents in Hay River that were actually working for that mine. Now for something like $200 a rotation, they can get picked up in Edmonton and dropped off at the mine.

So, I think it is very clear and my point is, Mr. Speaker, that it is about time that we did have agreements with these companies that come here and tap and take advantage of our natural resources. It is about time that those agreements did have some teeth in them. I really would like to applaud the effects of Minister Kakfwi and of his department on putting such an agreement in place, because I am still quite convinced that if history repeats itself, we would not be reaping those benefits but for those efforts and that agreement. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Yellowknife Women's Centre

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister for MACA just made a statement concerning the Yellowknife Women's Centre. I too had the pleasure of attending the recent re-opening of the centre which underwent extensive renovations following a flood last summer. While I was there, I spoke extensively with the staff. The centre is a non-profit organization established by the Yellowknife Women's Society in 1990. Women and their families are welcome to use the centre's programs. Their services include: soup kitchen; emergency food bank; donated clothing and furniture depots; and kitchen, shower, laundry facilities.

They also provide programs of advocacy and support services, family support services, lifeskills, literacy, parenting classes, nutritional counselling, and support to new and expecting mothers. Mr. Speaker, the centre is also used as an emergency shelter. All programs and services are free. I must stress that most clients are low income women and their families from the communities, not people from Yellowknife. These are people who are either passing through or have moved to Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, there are problems. The centre is run out of a house which has been converted to an office building. They receive program funding from the federal and territorial governments, but the money is simply not enough. They have to rely on donations from people like the Yellowknife Dene Bands, from the Yellowknife businesses, also from their own fund raising activities, and through the efforts of volunteers and staff. I have been informed that many of the staff are paid part-time wages but they work full time and even more, putting more hours than a regular full time position would do.

As I indicated, the building is simply not big enough. There are over 100 people using the centre each day. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Yellowknife Women's Centre

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife Women's Centre has over 100 people using the centre each day. The programs and services are being run out of the house which has been converted to office space basically. Meanwhile we have Akaitcho Hall sitting there virtually empty. We are spending money to keep it heated and water running and the rest of that. There are still 100 bedrooms or more in there. It has not been renovated to take the bedrooms out of there.

I believe we should turn this building over to the women so they can run a proper emergency shelter for the homeless and for the women, in transition and, of course, the children that are with those women. This way they can properly run all their programs and services.

Mr. Speaker, I commend the women who are running the shelter, primarily on a volunteer basis, but they need help. We are in a position to provide that help. I believe we should do so. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 561

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 561

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am fortunate today to have many constituents in the gallery, primarily as a result of a workshop conference being held by Nunavut Arctic College. I would like to recognize the adult educators and the program instructors from my constituency. From Kugluktuk, there is Gordon Bolduc and Mr. Al Phillips. From Cambridge Bay, there is Elizabeth Hadlari, Vicki Bobinski, John Power, Nicole Babiuk, Nancy Piirainen, Carol Gregor, Mark Bates and, with them, they have the campus director, Mr. Carl Isnor. I also have three other constituents I would like to recognize, Mr.

Speaker, that is Larry Aknavigak, his wife Vivian, and their daughter Hilary Ovilok-Aknavigak. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to respectfully recognize Jeremie Roy from Gjoa Haven, an adult educator, Dennis Doyle, Pelly Bay, Paulette Tymko, Gjoa Haven, Cheryl Campbell, Gjoa Haven, Rick Morin, Taloyoak. Welcome.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize the adult educator for the community of Holman Island, Marsha Martin.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Are there any further recognitions of visitors in the gallery? Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 296-13(4): Fire Education Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 561

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of MACA . In the past, the government offered a "Learn Not To Burn" program to raise awareness amongst the youth about the damage caused by fire. Originally, it was delivered through the Department of Safety and Public Services. Through the cuts and the dismantling of that department, the program has been eliminated.

Since there seems to be an increase in youth fires in relation to the fire in Fort McPherson and incidents of youth setting fire to children, can the Minister assist towards re-implementing the "Learn Not To Burn" program through the Department of MACA, in relation to the Fire Marshal's office, to assist communities teaching the youth about fires and the damage caused by fires? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware of the program "Learn Not to Burn". I know that it is being implemented in the schools because one of my sons was talking to me about it. He is only seven years old and he was planning his fire escape in our house. So, I know it is being offered in the schools. I will make sure that the school in Fort McPherson is using that program because I know it is still in existence. We will look after it for the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the government and the large cost to this government in relation to incidents involving youth and fire, such as the loss of a school or damages to community infrastructure, I think we need to educate children about the damages caused by fire and dealing with them effectively. Will the Minister commit to looking at reintroducing this type of program, either through the Department of Education or through the Fire Marshal's office?

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that our department's officials are already working with the schools with this program. I will make sure that they are doing that in the Member's community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the program is needed, not only in my community, but across the north in all communities. I would like to ask the Minister if she can attempt to implement this program across the board to all communities in the north and deliver it to all schools, so that everyone will be able to receive this needed program in "Learn Not To Burn". Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is what I am saying. It has already been implemented in all the schools. Because I was involved in education, I know, for sure, that the teachers are implementing it in their programs. But I will make sure that the Fire Safety office in my department is working with the teachers in that particular community because I know it is in their curriculums already for the school programs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister ensure that there is adequate funding in place to ensure that this program is implemented in the next fiscal year and years to come? To ensure that this needed program, especially in relation to the youth, is implemented and making sure that adequate resources are there in the upcoming years? Thank you.

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Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Adequate resources are already there because the teachers are teaching it in the classrooms and they use the resource person in the community to implement the program. It is in their curriculums. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 297-13(4): Notification Of Job Losses

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 562

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated earlier, in my Member's statement, when I went back to my home community of Inuvik, I shared information on the potential impacts of this budget on the community of Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, in the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, they identified the potential for four regional positions being taken out. I would like to know if the Minister has come up with where this might happen or if it is still in the books. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Can I ask the Member for Inuvik if he can rephrase his question? The Member is seeking information from the Minister based on a rumour. Perhaps you might want to rephrase your question? Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question I am asking is from the presentation we were given from the Department of Education during briefings. I would like to know if the Minister of the department has finalized those discussions as to where these positions or, will these positions, be taken out? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Page 562

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is right that our plans for the 1997/98 budget do show a reduction of four PYs in the regional offices. There are six regional offices and we are not, at this time,

certain where the reductions will actually take place, or if they will be full person year reductions or, perhaps, partial person year reductions in some of the offices. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister have this information out once this process is finalized, the work we are doing on the budget? Right now, the people involved in the regional office in Inuvik were unaware of this and I have caused some concern amongst the workers by bringing this information out, although I did not think it was confidential. I would like to know if we will be able to identify, in the short term here, so I can send back information or the Minister might forward that information to the community so that people are made aware of this at the earliest time. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that we are sensitive to the concerns of our employees and would like to deal with them in as caring and quick a manner as possible. However, these changes will result because of changes in the funding formula for how career and development programs are going to be offered across the Territories. I cannot promise the Member that, within the next two or three weeks, those answers will be forthcoming.

But, as I said, given that there are four PYs that we are expecting to see reduced, there are six regional centres and we are not certain, whether or not there might be only partial PY reductions, the impact will not be significant on any one regional centre. We are not sure that it will affect every regional centre. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated before, the community of Inuvik is already reeling from all the budget reductions our community has felt in all areas of the departments. I think it would be only prudent to bring this information out and identify where these are coming from as we are in the budget process now and we will be dealing with specific departments while we are in Session. My concern is that, if we are approving budgets and formulas are not identified or are not set, what are we approving? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are sensitive to the cuts that have been taken in centres across the Territories and we will endeavour to get the information out as quickly as possible. In response to the Member's specific question, what we are doing is approving a final dollar figure and many times the formula is juggled to fit the dollars that are available. Putting it bluntly, that is what we are looking at in this situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for RWED regarding the diamond evaluation facility. This is one of the key components to the development of diamond mining in the north. I am wondering if the Minister could update this House as to the status of those negotiations with the federal government and the industry in terms of having that facility located in the north. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories has lobbied the federal government to make certain that the evaluation facility, which would take rough diamonds that are produced here in the north for the purpose of evaluating before they are moved elsewhere, is located in the north. I think we have met with some degree of success. First of all, the Minister Ron Irwin has indicated his support for locating such a facility here in the Northwest Territories provided we work out the logistics and technical details and address the cost of building and maintaining such a facility. We have agreed to work on that together.

Our Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin-Andrew, has also met with the Finance Minister , Paul Martin. Mr. Martin has indicated to her, I understand, his support for locating such a facility here in the Northwest Territories as well. We have also gone ahead to contract a diamond valuer out of Britain to give us a report on how these types of facilities are managed and funded in other jurisdictions, and to look at the requirements and feasibility of having a facility here in the Northwest Territories and how we would go about developing that. This report will be available in the next couple of weeks.

It is our expectation that the consultant will be here in Yellowknife in the first week of March to meet with us and other parties to work out and explain the implications and the expectations of having such a facility here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether the talks have focused to the level as

to whether there is going to be a commitment to have it not only in the north, but in a community in the north, as opposed to on-site at the mine? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is our suggestion that the facility be located in an existing community in the Northwest Territories, yes.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate to this House, so we could have an idea of the scope of this project, the proposed size of such a facility in terms of jobs and that kind of thing? Are we looking at a large operation? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

And as close to site as possible. I think we have moved a great deal since those early indications were given. Once we have established, with certainty, that the diamond evaluation facility will be located in the Northwest Territories, then we will look at specifically where it should be. It is my expectation that should we win this first stage of agreement, then other spin-off activities such as sorting and cutting of these diamonds will then be possible as a result of locating the facility here in the north. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister provide some background information on this facility to give a little more sense of what the process is and indicate as well what timelines he is looking at in terms of a final decision possibly being made in regards to this facility and its location? Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education , Mr. Dent . The other day I received a letter from Yvette Schreder, who is a constituent and now a student at the Southern Institute of Technology in Calgary. She had encountered a problem with her student financial assistance. I prepared a number of questions for today, that I was going to pose today, but I understand that the problem has been solved. I want to compliment the Minister for intervening so fast and for turning this around in a day. But could the Minister confirm that this problem has been solved for Ms. Schreder? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the appeal by Ms. Schreder, has been upheld. Ms. Schreder has been contacted and advised that her cheque is in the mail. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if the Minister could tell if they have looked into similar situations, if other students may be encountering similar difficulties under this particular basic grant and primary loan program?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it appears that the applicant was forthright in her application. The problem was that the staff who were examining the application did not understand that the program being applied for was an upgrading program. Therefore there will be an adjustment made on application forms so that our staff and the applicants will all be very clear as to what the program is when they are applying for student financial assistance. Hopefully, this will ensure we do not encounter this kind of problem again where assistance is offered initially and found not to be applicable. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Could the Minister tell us if it has come to his attention that other students were affected in a similar way?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that some students had received support and that the department had not been aware that the program was for upgrading and therefore, students in similar situations would be looked at, I would say, in a similar manner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to Mr. Kakfwi , the Minister of RWED . Mr. Speaker, I have had comments made to me in the last few days that the Department of RWED has at least 90 positions that are vacant. Could the Minister confirm, deny or advise me how many positions are vacant within the Department of RWED? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I can confirm that, yes.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, the Minister was short in his comment there and I missed it. He usually goes on much longer so I missed that little short one. I was not prepared. Sorry, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I was just accepting your point to try to be brief sometimes.

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Bravo!

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there are some 90 odd positions that are vacant in the new department at this time. It does look unusual, but there is an explanation for it. There are about 20 seasonal positions that are vacant at this time. Fifty odd positions we were holding pending the decision of some staff. That is, there were about 50 positions that were effected. We thought of people who could apply for positions, so we were holding some 50 odd positions for effected employees within the departments. It appears that some may be requesting voluntary layoffs.

In fact, there are only about 20 vacant positions that were being held and most of these positions are now about ready to be advertised, since our effected employees will not be applying for some of these positions. It is not the anomaly that it appears to be. It is just that when you play around with the statistics, it can set off undue alarms. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that information. Do I understand it correctly, the Minister is telling me there are only about 20 positions available and if so, could laid off employees from other departments have filled those positions? I am definitely concerned because I listened to the Minister of Finance when he was presenting his budget, that they have in fact paid out over $6 million in packages. I think it would be an awful shame if the government paid out packages to one group of employees and had to hire people with similar qualifications to fill positions in another department.

My question to the Minister, what type of positions are these? Are they positions that could be filled? These 20 positions, are they positions that could be filled by people that have been laid off from other departments? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I do not want to mislead the Member. There are in fact 18 seasonal positions

that are vacant which will be filled once the spring and summer season is upon. There are 72 full time positions that are vacant within the department at this time. Of those we thought that some 52 positions could be potentially filled by affected employees. But as it turns out, there are 52 employees who have chosen to be laid off. So, there will be some 73 positions that will be advertised and filled through due processes by this government. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, there are 50 positions. Can the Minister, and I anticipate that he would not have this information available to him now, but of the 50 positions that have to be filled, I would like the Minister to present to this House a detailed layout of the number of positions that have to be filled and also, the categories of those positions. If he could present that information to the House at a later date, I would appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I just want to draw attention to the Member, again, to what I said. There are 73 vacant positions. Of those 73 there are some 20 odd vacancies which is sort of normal, I would say, for a department of this size. Of the 73 that are currently vacant, about 52 of them we had thought, could potentially be filled by affected employees, but in fact there are 52 employees who have requested and have chosen voluntary layoff. So, that is what led us to have the 73 vacant positions at this time. We are in position now to get into staffing.

Most of our jobs, the newer jobs created as a result of amalgamation, have been detailed. They have gone through the process of having the proper job descriptions, terms of reference and all the necessary paperwork done in order for them to be advertised. We will be advertising them over the next few weeks. The information that the Member has requested, I think is available, and we will provide it to the Member. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are directed towards Mr. Antoine , Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs . Mr. Speaker, I would like to pursue a line of questioning I have done for the last two days. Mr. Speaker, yesterday we heard from the Minister that in the negotiation processes at the negotiating table for the Gwich'in and Inuvialuit, the GNWT plans to be present to protect the interest of the NWT residents, in particular towards constitutional rights and democratic rights of the citizens. Mr.

Speaker, I indicated yesterday, the Inuvialuit along with the Inuit from Nunavut are probably one of the most receptive aboriginal groups as far as accepting democratic process.

So, my question to the Minister, he has indicated that he intends to keep a sharp eye on the Inuvialuit and the Gwich'in to assure that democratic rights are protected at that table. Now, I would like to ask the Minister, would he assure us that the democratic rights of the citizens of this territory are just as well protected in the four communities that he mentioned in his riding whereby democratic rights are not protected at the community level? I would like to ask the Minister, would he assure that those rights are just as well protected in his riding as they are in my riding? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 566

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member makes a very good point in regards to rights in the north. For many years in the Northwest Territories there was concern by the aboriginal first nations, Metis, in regards to their rights, in regards to the federal government, on treaties and aboriginal rights. I think that over the years this government has taken a position and has followed through with their commitment and their positions in regards to supporting land claims, supporting the self-government talks. We are talking about rights here.

As a third party in the discussions in regards to self-government, we are dealing with the rights of people in the communities. Yes, we are assuring everybody the intention here is not to eliminate anybody's rights, to try to recognize these rights that are there, the inherent right to see self-government. We are trying to define it. We are trying to see how it is going to work. We are talking about individual rights as well as collective rights.

As I said yesterday, we are dealing with a new era here where we are more or less taking the forefront in the west here in regards to aboriginal right to self-government. As we move along in the negotiations we will be seeing how they evolve. I would like to just maybe simply make a commitment here that yes, we are there to ensure that the rights of everyone is protected at the communities. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Steen .

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Page 566

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has indicated that yes, we are going to protect this government. We will protect the existing rights of the citizens of this territories. I would like to hear from the Minister, is he prepared to go into these communities and advise these people that, in order to receive funding from this government, they should consider amending their local community level government's policy to allow all citizens of this territory, if they conform to resident's clause, to vote at this community level? Now, I would like to ask the Minister.

Can I expect him to go into these communities this summer, or whenever and advise the groups that the process that they are following is not democratic or can I expect him to come into my communities and say it is okay if we do not let Dene vote? It is okay if we do not let Metis vote. It is okay if we do not let others vote.

According to the Minister in the Hansard on pages 858 and 859, it is the reality of the day. I would like to hear this government's position on that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Page 567

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member is making reference to chief and band councils, and these four communities in my constituency that are the community governments. These chief and band councils, they have Treaty 11 with the federal government. In there, that whole area is still in dispute. They have not sat down and negotiated with the federal government in regards to the rights that they have under the treaties. This is the Deh Cho region.

I have always said that whatever arrangements the chief and council have in regards to how the government itself is with the federal government, this is for the treaties. This territorial government here came in after those treaties were put in place. Therefore, there is dispute. This is why, I believe, that the Inuvialuits went and settled their claims to resolve the land and resource issue, the same as the Gwich'in and the Sahtu. Now the Dogribs are negotiating. The Treaty 8 and the Fort Smith South Salt First Nations are also beginning to negotiate.

They are dealing with the federal government first to initiate it. Now, we are having cases of self-government which deals with the governments of how the communities will govern themselves, in this case the Gwich'in and the Dogribs where the chief and councils are in there.

So that the whole question of the rights at the community level, yes, is a serious question. It still has to be resolved. It is between the chief and band councils and the federal government. That is the reality of the day. It is something that still has to be resolved. In the Deh Cho area, they are slowly evolving into a position where they are saying that they want to sit down and negotiate with the federal government based on the inherent right to self-government. I think that the position that this government has taken is that we support land claims discussions and want to move that along at the same time as self-government discussions, so that these areas could be explored and resolved.

I cannot go into a community, to a chief and band council and tell them that this government is not going to give you any money unless you conform to the way we want you to operate. We have to respect that. In the small communities, there are non-aboriginal people that live in these communities, but the large majority are the aboriginal people. I think that another department, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, has attempted over the years to try to resolve this issue. Where you have a municipal government like a hamlet, it is easy.

But then, in some cases in some communities, you have a hamlet council which is a municipal government created under the Government of the Northwest Territories. At the same time, you have the band council which has been there for many years through the treaties and then we have Metis locals as well involved. In the west, it is a little different from the east but here we have to respect the situation and each case is different in these communities.

For example, in Fort Simpson, the village council and the band and the Metis internally formed a tri-council arrangement to see how they could work together. This is why I am saying that it is important to develop a constitution that is reflective of what is a reality in the north and sure I go to the communities and we talk about programs and services. The First Nations want to settle their claims. In some cases they are. I think the Deh Cho is the last area where there is no formal negotiations under way.

They have indicated that they want to sit down with the federal government to start talks and the ball is really in the federal government's court whether they are going to talk formally, in a negotiation-type setting with the Deh Cho First Nations. Mr. Speaker, it is a very complicated issue as you are aware of. Yes, this government is funding the communities to provide services. They do not get the full amount of funding that a hamlet gets, so there is a program under MACA called SOAP that provides basic services. There is a contract with the First Nations to provide those services.

I think this government is going to continue to do that and hopefully down the line there will be a time when these communities will be sitting down with the federal government to do their land claim discussions or the inherent right to self-government discussions. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Steen . I would like to remind the Members about their supplementaries, to keep them short.

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Page 567

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has indicated that there are two types of funding in these communities. The funding for the bands from the federal government and the funding the communities receive through what is called a SOAP program. At this point, Mr. Speaker, I want to make clear I am not referring to band funding and the ability for people to vote as to what is done with band money. I am talking about funds for the SOAP program. Mr.

Speaker, the Minister has indicated that over and above the SOAP program, communities also receive other benefits such as forest fire protection services, they receive capital funding for capital infrastructure. Therefore these communities do receive a lot of money from this government. What I am asking the Minister is, will the Minister consider going into these communities and perhaps more strongly requesting these communities to come up with a formal government which would allow all residents of the Territories to address the funding from this government, not from the federal government?

The Minister has also indicated that there are some communities that have already accepted this policy and amended their structures at Good Hope, Fort Franklin. So, all I am asking, is the Minister willing to go into these communities and perhaps have another look at these SOAP policies? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I would also like to remind the Ministers to be brief in their response. Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in a lot of cases it is really up to the communities, the chief and band councils to run the communities the way that is most economical and feasible for them. Perhaps there are some non-aboriginal people who are there, that live in the community for perhaps jobs or because they choose to live there. They may feel that they do not have a say in the way funds are spent in the communities. In that case, it is difficult for me to go into communities and tell them to see if these people could be included. I think this government has been doing it over the years.

I think it will continue to do it. I think there has been attempts in the past by MACA to see if they could find a way to do what the honourable Member is saying. Yes, I think the policy of the government here is to continue to do it. I think the department that is taking the lead role in this endeavour for chartered communities is the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Jointly, we could continue to talk about different options that are out there. Again, at the same time, there are bilateral arrangements between the chiefs and the federal government.

The view that the chief and band councils take is that whatever happens on their land in their communities is through the treaties. If this government is providing money for infrastructure, for programs and services then this government is saying everybody is entitled to it. That is the reality of the day. Yes, I could tell the Member that whenever I go into the community we have these discussions, we talk about these things and we will continue to do that. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if the Minister feels it would not be productive to go into the communities, could the Minister consider taking his concern to Cabinet and asking Cabinet whether or not the SOAP program policy could be reviewed again whereby it could be suggested that this type of concern has to be addressed in order to receive this funding? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member is asking me if I would go to Cabinet and see if we could reconsider this program that goes into the small communities. I want to say that this program is fairly new. It has been in existence for maybe three years now, but in the past these communities still needed to get their garbage collected, water delivered, the roads cleaned and so forth. This is the kind of money we are talking about. We will still continue to provide that type of funding to the communities.

Whatever is said here, as a Member of the Cabinet, I am aware that other Cabinet Members are fully aware of the discussion that goes on in this House and whatever is said is taken very seriously and we will take the honourable Member's suggestion very seriously as well. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 302-13(4): Staff Training Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 568

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, one of the phrases we often hear from the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is "life-long learning." I assume this emphasis on life-long learning also applies to government staff. Can the Minister indicate what programs are in place to support staff training? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what programs are available largely depends on what training departments see as being necessary for their staff at any given time because departments pay the cost of staff training. The staff training is typically offered through the colleges in a coordinated manner. The colleges and departments discuss what training will be needed, what departments are prepared to pay for, and those offerings are then made.

I do know that this year, at least as of September 30th, all three campuses in the west saw a decline in the number of full-time students and a significant increase in part-time registration. This is as a result of career development courses which were added due to the demand for Government of the Northwest Territories staff training. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is good to know that through the colleges the GNWT offers many training opportunities to its staff. I am curious about how staff are supposed to access this training. Do they request it or do supervisors suggest they take specific courses? In other words, can the Minister explain how staff become eligible for this type of training?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it can happen both ways. The staff person can go to their supervisor and suggest training that they see as being useful or a supervisor could suggest to a staff person that they believe that the training program being offered would be useful. Programs are publicized through HP Desk and regular communications offered by the colleges to ensure that people are aware of which programs will be offered, their locations and their costs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For a number of reasons an employee may not know what is available or that a certain course would be helpful to them. What is the role of the supervisor in identifying and encouraging training opportunities for their staff?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think the role of any supervisor is to ensure that their employees are made aware of opportunities to be more productive and to advance their careers. Every supervisor, whether they are in government or in private industry, has a responsibility to look out for the interest of their employees to ensure they are given whate