Debates of Dec. 9th, 1998

This is page numbers 623 - 650 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was today .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Status Of Power Corporation Negotiations

Premier's Conference Call

Corporate Plan 1999-2001

Jon Lindell

Passing Of Jon Lindell

The Need For Full-time Fire Chiefs

Arctic Bay Docking Facilities

Financial Stability

Holman Hamlet Councillors

Passing Of Jon Lindell And David Tagoona

The Need For Full-time Fire Chiefs

Highway Reconstruction Between Yellowknife And Rae

Northwestel Phone Service Subsidies

Nahendeh Band Councils

Passing Of Jon Lindell

Independence Programs For Disabled Persons

Notable Events Occurring In The Great Hall

Abuses Suffered By Residential School Students

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Full-time Kitikmeot Fire Chiefs

NWT Power Corporation Transition Agreement

Closure Of Vital Statistics Office In Yellowknife

Arctic Bay Docking Facility

Programs For Disabled Persons

Causes Of Power Outages

Private Meeting Confirmation

Update On The Economic Strategy

Future NWT Tax Revenues

Identification Of Executive Assistant

Move Of The Vital Statistics Office

Identification Of Executive Assistant

Written Question 10-13(6): Actions Of Ministers And Departmental Officials In Dealings With Mlas And Businesses

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 55-13(6): News Release Entitled "conflict Complaint Against Groenewegen Dismissed" Dated July 11, 1998

Tabled Document 56-13(6): Workers' Compensation Board Corporate Plan 1999-2000

Tabled Document 57-13(6): Employee Clearance Certificate

Tabled Document 58-13(6): Friends Of Democracy Document Regarding An Electoral Boundaries Court Challenge

Waiver Of Parliamentary Privilege For Judicial Review Application To Proceed

Bill 32: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1998-99

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 623

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Good afternoon. Before we start today, I would like to inform the House that I have appointed a new Sergeant-at-Arms to serve the Legislative Assembly. I would like to introduce to the Assembly, Mr. Joseph Ouellette.

--Applause

Mr. Ouellette takes over his duties officially today. I am sure Members will join me in welcoming Mr. Ouellette to his work as Sergeant-at-Arms.

At this time, I would like to acknowledge our current Sergeant-at-Arms, Mr. Tony Whitford.

--Applause

Mr. Whitford will be giving up his duties later this month and on behalf of all Members, I would like to express the Assembly's appreciation for the excellent way you have carried out your responsibilities. Mr. Whitford should be congratulated for the work he has done to enhance the stature of the position of Sergeant-at-Arms, not only with the hosting of the 1998 Canadian Sergeant-at-Arms Conference, but his contacts overseas. On your behalf, thank you, Tony, for your work with the Pages and wish you Godspeed in whatever your future holds.

--Applause

I would also like to mention the contribution Mr. Barry Bran brought to the position of Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms and I will be announcing the appointment of a Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms early next year.

Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 95-13(6): Status Of Power Corporation Negotiations

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have an emergency statement. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to inform this House that I will not be proceeding with legislation concerning the Northwest Territories Power Corporation during today's session.

As I previously informed Members, officials have been meeting over the past several months on an agreement that would have seen the corporation continued as a single entity over a three-year transition period. These discussions included the Government of the Northwest Territories, the Office of the Interim Commissioner, Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated and the Western Coalition.

These discussions continued until an hour ago. Tentative agreement was reached on all aspects of the transition agreement with the exception of how to share the dividend payments between the NWT and Nunavut during the transition period. Unfortunately, this fundamental difference of opinion cannot be resolved in time to proceed with legislation in the extremely limited window of opportunity remaining during the current session.

While all parties are disappointed that we have not yet been able to find agreement with respect to the Northwest Territories Power Corporation, I am encouraged by the fact that all parties remain committed to finding a northern resolution to this problem. The parties have agreed to meet again tomorrow afternoon to continue to work through this issue. I will keep Members informed of any new developments as they occur. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 95-13(6): Status Of Power Corporation Negotiations

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 623

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 96-13(6): Premier's Conference Call

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Honourable Kelvin Ng and I participated in a conference call with provincial and territorial Premiers from across the country. It was the first time Premiers have met since Lucien Bouchard won last week's Quebec election. The meeting, chaired by Saskatchewan Premier Romanow, was called to discuss the upcoming federal budget and progress on social union negotiations. As Members may know, the social union became an important issue in the Quebec election campaign.

Canada's Premiers are calling upon the federal government to restore health care funding levels that have been cut over the last several years. We want to emphasize that the amount of money reinvested will need to be substantial. This confirms what all provincial and territorial leaders agreed to, as a first priority, in Saskatoon this past summer. We are asking that social union negotiations recommence after being suspended for the Quebec election. Premiers agreed that we need to step up the pace on these talks, bargain in good faith and come up with a workable solution as soon as is realistically possible.

Mr. Speaker, we are also calling upon the Prime Minister to convene a First Ministers' meeting early in the new year. We propose to use that opportunity to discuss with him the agreement that has been reached and sustained by all provincial and territorial jurisdictions across this country. We would like to meet with the Prime Minister so that we can describe our situation and to make our position as clear as possible. We need to tell him, face to face, about our need to sustain basic health care services.

British Columbia's Premier, Glen Clark, said a good First Ministers' meeting could also help to smooth the way for successful social union discussions and thus make our country work better. Alberta's Premier, Ralph Klein, and British Columbia's Premier, Glen Clark, have each met with the Prime Minister in the last two days. Each of these Premiers has impressed upon the Prime Minister the importance of restoring health care funding to every jurisdiction in the country.

We view the restoration of primary health care funding from Ottawa to the provinces and territories as the top priority, particularly given the serious stresses and strains on the health care system being experienced in each province and territory.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that it is worth noting that all provincial and territorial leaders have put aside other important issues in order to reaffirm that the proper focus and the proper emphasis should be placed on ensuring that all Canadians enjoy an adequately funded and sustainable health care system. The Government of the Northwest Territories has played an important role in these discussions. we have been successful in bringing the specific issue of aboriginal people's health and well-being to the table and we will remain vigilant in ensuring that this issue receives due attention at the national level.

We will work in concert with our provincial and territorial partners to ensure that our priorities are recognized on the national scene. Mr. Romanow summed up by saying that our goal is to make Canada work better and to deliver health and social programs that work better for all Canadians. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 96-13(6): Premier's Conference Call

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 624

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements.

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Minister's Statement 97-13(6): Corporate Plan 1999-2001

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 624

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister responsible for the NWT Workers' Compensation Board, it will be my pleasure to table, later today, the board's corporate plan for the years 1999 to 2001 in accordance with subsection 91(1) of the Financial Administration Act. The corporate plan, which will guide WCB operations over the next three years, is prepared annually as a result of joint planning sessions involving the WCB's board of directors and its management team. This corporate plan reaffirms many of the strategic issues identified in the board's previous plan.

Improving workplace safety, in particular, remains an important objective for the WCB. Education and inspection activities will target those industries with high accident frequencies, and partnerships with workers and employers will be actively promoted in 1999. The WCB will provide ergonomic training and education to employers, and will develop initiatives aimed at small business, youth and the changing workplace.

Mr. Speaker, the WCB remains committed to excellence in the areas of program and service delivery. This commitment is reflected in a number of initiatives designed to improve the effectiveness and efficiency of its operations, including an evaluation of on-line-access reporting for employers, enhanced return-to-work incentives and a case management model which will provide better and more timely service to injured workers.

Mr. Speaker, as recognized in the board's previous corporate plan, an effective board governance structure is crucial in ensuring that the financial, legislative and program challenges facing the WCB are dealt with in a responsible manner. Effective stakeholder-board interaction is a top priority, as it is every year. Mr. Speaker, the WCB is also proud to be hosting the Association of Workers' Compensation Boards of Canada's 1999 Congress here in Yellowknife.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, the board is committed to protecting the interests of all WCB stakeholders during the division process and post-division. By acting as a resource during the negotiation of an intergovernmental transition agreement, the board is well positioned to support whatever decisions are made at the political level with respect to its structure after division.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to conclude by congratulating, as I have many times, the board of directors, staff and management of the WCB in their efforts to continually improve workers' compensation in the north. These are uncertain times and the WCB has responded to the challenge. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 97-13(6): Corporate Plan 1999-2001

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 624

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 98-13(6): Jon Lindell

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 625

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In our political lives all of us depend on our spouses, our families and our friends for their love, their guidance, their honesty, their understanding and their support. In particular, our wives or husbands have a special role, making sure that we have as normal a life as possible and that our children receive the care and attention they need when we are away doing our jobs. This morning we learned of the sudden and tragic death in Arviat of Mr. Jon Lindell.

Jon, who was in his early forties, was the husband of Nunavut Member of Parliament, Nancy Karetak-Lindell and father to their four children who range in age from eight to 19. Jon, who was active as a volunteer in Arviat, operated an Arviat-based expediting business. He and his four sons had a special love of playing hockey, even including mother Nancy in the odd game.

Nunavut has lost a great man. A real man, who has demonstrated a genuine vision for Nunavut, a vision of reality and strength. Jon Lindell was a key supporter of the Canadian miner and a highly valued friend of many northerners. For this, the people of Nunavut will celebrate his life and visions and carry them through with the pride, sincerity and honesty that Jon was famous for. On behalf of all Members of this Assembly and Northwest Territories residents, I extend our sincere and heartfelt sympathy to Nancy, their four children and family members. Our thoughts are also with the people of Arviat who have suffered a deep loss. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 98-13(6): Jon Lindell

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 625

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Member's Statement 252-13(6): Passing Of Jon Lindell

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 625

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it also gives me great sorrow to share with Members of this House the sad news of Nancy Karetak-Lindell's husband Jon who passed away last night. I really feel a deep hurt for the Lindell family and my prayers including those of Cabinet are with them. I lead a prayer this morning with the government Ministers when we learned of Ms. Karetak-Lindell's lose. We prayed as leaders, to our Heavenly Father that He will answer and comfort the family.

Mr. Speaker, Nancy Karetak-Lindell, like myself, has been a mother, a wife and a political leader for the Keewatin. Excuse me, Mr. Speaker. She is my colleague, my close relative, her loss is very close to home for me. I am returning to Rankin this Friday to be with my husband and my boys. I need a hug from my husband. Mr. Speaker, I encourage everyone in the territories to pray for Nancy Lindell and her family at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 252-13(6): Passing Of Jon Lindell

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 625

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 253-13(6): The Need For Full-time Fire Chiefs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 625

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Also, my condolences go to the Lindell family. Mr. Speaker, the Kitikmeot Leaders Forum recognizes and understands the actual work being done provided by volunteer fire departments throughout the north and throughout the Nunavut area. Mr. Speaker, I think we all recognize and acknowledge the importance of volunteer fire departments across the north. We will continue to rely on their services and their expertise, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the Kitikmeot Leaders Forum also recognizes the Kitikmeot communities are continuing to grow in both population and infrastructure. Mr. Speaker, we recognize that these developments require specialized training and planning, but are beyond the capabilities of volunteer fire departments. We need to seriously look and support the provision of funding for full-time fire chiefs in the region. I think that every Member of this House who represents small communities understands and recognizes that you need a full-time fire chief in small communities, remote communities, regardless of the size, where you have major infrastructure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 253-13(6): The Need For Full-time Fire Chiefs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 625

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 254-13(6): Arctic Bay Docking Facilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 625

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I was at home, I was told by my representatives in Arctic Bay, the dock in Arctic Bay that was built in the 1990s is too short for the community. When most of the hunters are using the dock, especially in the fall, they extend the dock in Arctic Bay, but up till now it is still too short for the number of boats in Arctic Bay. They had to go elsewhere to dock their boats in the community. I would like to inform the House that I will be asking questions regarding this issue to the Minister later on today. (Translation ends.)

Mr. Speaker, I also would like to give my condolences to our Member of Parliament, Nancy Karetak-Lindell and her family. I would also like to send my condolences to the past mayor of Baker Lake, David Kagoona. I would like to say what David Kagoona told me when I got elected. When I first met him he told me never to fear to ask questions. He told me, if you do not ask questions, you will never get the answers. That, I will remember. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 254-13(6): Arctic Bay Docking Facilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 625

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 255-13(6): Financial Stability

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 625

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in about 100 days, we will be starting two new territories. This is pretty well the last time that we are going to meet as a Legislature, except for possibly a brief session in March. As two new territories, we are starting with a financial arrangement that is going to allow us to maintain programs and services, but we all know from the briefings we had that the increased population and demands for services will put a huge pressure on us and our limited financial resources. We are also going to want to try to, in fact, start new programs to improve social conditions, education and economic opportunities.

Mr. Speaker, we all know that as it now stands, our revenues are pretty well flat from here on in, unless they are pegged to population. We have no capability to, in fact, increase those revenues. It would appear the current government in Ottawa has opened the door to reviewing our tax structure and has given us a tax window, so to speak. For us, in the north, as resource activity grows, as it will have no choice but to given the resources we have here, we need a chance for more resources to stay, more taxes to stay in the north, rather than going straight to Ottawa.

With less than 100 days left, it is critical for us to move on this initiative that is now underway and to try to bring it to some closure before the end of March. As we look down the road with the time left in this Assembly, this has got to be one of the most critical issues facing us: a stable monetary source and the possibility, in fact, to increase those resources and allow us to meet the demands of the people that we serve. I would urge the government and Cabinet to ensure that we pursue this with all the efforts and resources at our disposal. We have 100 days left and the window will not be there forever. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 255-13(6): Financial Stability

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 256-13(6): Holman Hamlet Councillors

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 626

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to bring the attention of the House to this matter. On November 9th, nominations closed for appointments for elections to the hamlet council in Holman. Since there were only five positions and five names, all the members were acclaimed. I would like to advise the House that for a two-year term, Elsie Ovilok, Robert Kuptana, Mel Pretty and Nancy Goose have been acclaimed for a one-year term with Trudy Anne Kuptana. Mr. Speaker, with the upcoming municipal elections on Monday, December 14th, I would encourage the other three of my communities, all the members of the public, to come out and vote on that day. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 256-13(6): Holman Hamlet Councillors

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 257-13(6): Passing Of Jon Lindell And David Tagoona

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know if I can add much more to comments that were spoken by Mr. Arlooktoo , Ms. Thompson and Mr. Barnabas , regarding the death of a very good friend of mine, a trusted confidante, an advisor, Jon Lindell, who passed away late last night. Mr. Speaker, Jon will be missed greatly by all people in the community, all the people of the region. He gave a lot of himself to his wife, to his family, and I think to the residents of Nunavut.

Mr. Speaker, this only adds to the sadness when earlier this week, I announced the death of Mayor David Tagoona, another good friend of mine. Mr. Speaker, for the record, we realize that the media coverage of Mr. Tagoona's death was somewhat contorted, even misleading. As of this morning, the medical directors acknowledged and announced that Mr. Tagoona died from a massive heart attack on Sunday. Mr. Speaker, I will ask my fellow colleagues to join me in offering our sincere condolences and our prayers to Nancy, sister Charlotte, all the family members and the children at their time of need. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 257-13(6): Passing Of Jon Lindell And David Tagoona

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 258-13(6): The Need For Full-time Fire Chiefs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 626

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to raise a concern that affects all of our smaller communities. Currently, in all our smaller communities, we have volunteer fire departments and fire chiefs. They do a very good job when called upon. Their work is often very difficult considering fire does not wait for anyone. It could happen in the cold of winter, at night or during the day. These volunteers drop whatever they are doing to try and save the house, school or any other building.

However, these departments need to have updated equipment and up-to-date knowledge on the science of fire. In order for the departments to operate efficiently, they need to have professional guidance. That is the reason I support the idea of having full-time, qualified professional fire chiefs in all the communities. Most people do not recognize the importance and knowledge a full-time fire chief can bring to a community. He can increase prevention and awareness of fire in the community. It would be his position to also train the volunteer department, as well as other interested individuals, wishing to volunteer.

In closing, I would hope the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs would consider this very important issue that affects all our communities and residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 258-13(6): The Need For Full-time Fire Chiefs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 259-13(6): Highway Reconstruction Between Yellowknife And Rae

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to speak today again on the highway between Yellowknife and Rae which has been the subject of much discussion and many comments in this Legislature. Under the current strategy, the highway between these two communities, will not be completed for another ten years, although we have started a good program this year to commence part of the construction.

We simply need this road completed as soon as possible. There have been more than 14 deaths on this highway in its history. It is a narrow, winding road, one that is slippery and extremely dangerous at certain times. For a road that carries 62 percent of all vehicle traffic in the north, 62 percent, Mr. Speaker, such road conditions are a tremendous hazard.

We need to press by whatever means we can to complete this road, be it that we look at the federal government to re-institute a program such as the Highways or Roads to Resources, which at one time existed. After all, what we have got to look at is that the federal government does get a tremendous amount of royalties from the resources of the Northwest Territories and specifically from our diamond mines now. The road is the access route for much of the traffic to these particular mines, so I think the federal government should have a responsibility in dealing with this issue.

Possibly, our government's current economic strategy may identify money for this particular thrust and the road infrastructure that we need, but we need to be able to concentrate on this fairly quickly. Public safety, including residential, industrial and tourism traffic is all at stake in this. I want to, again, emphasize that we, as a Legislative Assembly, should address this question, Mr. Speaker, and push wherever we can to get this completed. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 259-13(6): Highway Reconstruction Between Yellowknife And Rae

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 626

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 260-13(6): Northwestel Phone Service Subsidies

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 627

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I listened with interest, great interest, to the statements made by the

honourable Member for Thebacha over the past couple of days about NorthwesTel. NorthwesTel is a monopoly. NorthwesTel delivers a service in a protected market. NorthwesTel is a subsidiary of the multinational Bell Corporation.

Mr. Speaker, residents will happily accept to subsidize a high-cost telecommunications system, including the higher-cost communities, only when they know for certain what the detailed cost structure is. Let me put it another way. No subsidization without detailed disclosure on costs, lists of salaries of executives, list of contracts, and failing these, you can be sure, Mr. Speaker, that our resident consumers in any kind of a market will want to drop the use of dead dog, inefficient suppliers at the first opportunity.

How? By moving to alternate suppliers such as AT&T, Sprint, London Telecommunications or Westcom. Why are not these alternate suppliers allowed to operate here, Mr. Speaker? Residents will no longer accept the compulsive anti-market interference in our marketplace. Why do we not have market phone services here, Mr. Speaker? If we are going to have a subsidization system working in the territories, then we must simply have full accountability for the monies that are spent. For instance, what is the return that NorthwesTel makes on its Northwest Territories operations? Have they shared those numbers with us?

Perhaps the honourable Member who gave such an impassioned speech over the last couple of days could provide those to the House.

Another instance, Mr. Speaker, why is it that NorthwesTel has a fleet of late model trucks in their yard on the old airport road here in Yellowknife when many citizens of this territory are driving vehicles that are ten years old if they have one. All the while, these same citizens struggle to pay the phone long distance rates, Mr. Speaker, that are sometimes between four and six times higher than in the mainstream. There is something very wrong here, Mr. Speaker. Does all of this sound familiar, Mr. Speaker?

It should because this is the same theme that we have been talking about in this House for some days and years now. When NorthwesTel finally releases and makes public the aforementioned, then and only then can or should we look at a subsidy or other government help. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Member's Statement 261-13(6): Nahendeh Band Councils

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 627

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are elections happening all over the north all the time and there are people at the community level who make commitments to help their own people in their communities by putting their name to stand for different positions.

Mr. Speaker, in the case of some of the communities I represent in the Nahendeh constituency, I want to go over some of the communities and chiefs who were elected recently. Going back to July 6th, in Nahanni Butte, I would like to congratulate Peter Marcellais who became chief there along with councillors Jane Konisenta, Lena Marcellais, Isadore Ekotla, William Konisenta and Raymond Vital with elders Jonas and Elsie Marcellais.

Jean Marie River, September 12th, election for the band council, Chief Yvonne Norwegian was re-elected there along with councillors Margaret Ireland, Jonas Sanguez, Isadore Simon, Melvin Sake, Earnest Hardisty and elder Sarah Hardisty. On November 10th, Trout Lake had an election for chief and Tom Kotchea, I would like to congratulate him as the new elected chief in Trout Lake along with councillors Maggie Jumbo, Dolphus Jumbo, Violet Sanguez, Bertha Deneron and Phoebe Punch.

On December 4th, Mr. Speaker, in the community of Wrigley there was an election for the Pehdzeh Ki First Nation, I would like you to congratulate Mary-Alise Christopher as the elected chief there along with Michael Neyelle, Elsie Hardisty, Raymond Pellissey, Ruby Ekenole-Watt, Archie Williams and Adele Hardisty. Finally, Mr. Speaker, yesterday there was an election in Fort Liard for the Acho Dene First Nation Chief. I would like to congratulate the re-election of Chief Harry Deneron to the position for two years, along with councillors Stephen Kotchea and Stanley Bertrand.

New councillors are Dan Lomen, Floyd Diamond C and Judy Kotchea. I would like to congratulate all of these people in the communities for letting their names stand for representing the people in the community. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Member's Statement 262-13(6): Passing Of Jon Lindell

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I met Nancy Karetak-Lindell years ago as the Minister of Education . I was very sad to hear this morning that her husband has passed away. I am particularly sad because of the children. She is serving the people of Nunavut as their Member of Parliament so it will have an impact on the people of Nunavut. She is serving in public life and so this tragedy has a different dimension from all the other ones that face each of us every day.

It reminds me that the difficulties and the worries and little issues that I have myself are not so great as those facing Nancy and her children today. I wanted to express my condolences and my prayers to Nancy and her family. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 263-13(6): Independence Programs For Disabled Persons

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 628

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I listened with interest last Thursday to the Minister of Health and Social Services speak of the International Day of Disabled Persons. I would have spoken to that issue that day, Mr. Speaker, but as you know other events were crowding our agenda. Mr. Speaker, this support for the International Day of Disabled Persons by the government perhaps paints a slightly rosier picture than disabled persons actually live under in the Northwest Territories.

This government has income support programs and subsidies for seniors so that they can maintain their independence in their own homes, but has no similar programs for people of working age who cannot work because of disability.

I am aware of one case in Hay River where a disabled homeowner is having trouble making ends meet on his federal disability pension. This person has a shortfall in income of approximately $200 per month. When he tried to access income support he was made to feel that there should be no need for him to do so, considering he received a disability pension. In any event, he was denied. Mr. Speaker, I have seen this person's monthly budget and it is not extravagant. It is barely enough for him to live in dignity and maintain his independence in his own home. Mr. Speaker, where does this leave us?

We have a disabled person under great stress and in fear of losing his home. For what, Mr. Speaker, $200 a month or $2,400 a year? The logic of government policies escapes me sometimes. If this disabled person loses his home, he will probably end up in social housing at a significantly higher cost to this government.

Mr. Speaker, this government talks the talk when it comes to supporting disabled persons. It is time to take action and develop streamlined policies and programs between ECE and Health and Social services that deal with the needs of disabled persons in the Northwest Territories instead of foisting the problem off on volunteer agencies. I will be following up on this important matter in question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 264-13(6): Notable Events Occurring In The Great Hall

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Page 628

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a couple of very significant and noteworthy events took place in the Great Hall this past Sunday. The first was a rally to commemorate the memory of the 14 women who died in Montreal, commonly known as the Montreal massacre. The second was the Fifth Annual night of Christmas music at the Legislature. Both events, Mr. Speaker were very well attended, especially when one considers the number of events that happen in my community on any day or evening.

The public rally to commemorate the Montreal massacre should continue to keep the individual and collective disgust of the act of violence against women forefront in the minds of all in our homes, our community and our territory.

On a brighter note, Mr. Speaker, many people gathered in the evening for the Night of Christmas music at the Legislature and were entertained by many fine voices in the following groups: Koinonia Christian School Choir, Dave and Sherry, St. Patrick's High School Choral Society, Ceilidh and Friends, Zion and Harmony. It was followed by refreshments which were provided compliments of Javaroma. There were food donations collected at the door and that was donated to the Yellowknife Women's Centre. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 628

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 265-13(6): Abuses Suffered By Residential School Students

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 628

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday I made a statement indicating that perhaps there should be a public inquiry into the residential schools and the people who had gone to them. I wanted to indicate today some of the research that I have had done indicates some of the abuses which occurred include sexual assault; performing private inspections of genitals of girls and boys; arranging or inducing abortions in female children impregnated by men in authority; burning, scalding and beating children into unconsciousness; using electric shock devices on physically restrained children. Mr. Speaker, those are just a few.

There are about 20 other items people indicated that were done to them and you can imagine the repercussions to a child's brain and how that would effect them for the rest of their lives.

Mr. Speaker, I have also received from members of the Grollier Hall Residential School a couple of other ideas. Perhaps other than an inquiry, there could be a special commission on residential schools which could include a whole panel of people and they could go around and hold hearings or interviews for people who did not want to be in a hearing or they could have one special commissioner going around doing this.

Another thing they have indicated is that perhaps there could be a residential schools aftermath advisor to the Premier who would provide the Premier with support and advice on a wide range of residential school issues as well as government policies, legislation, programs and activities relating to residential schools.

Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this is to indicate that perhaps an inquiry may not be the answer, but we have to do something. Mr. Speaker, we have to do something to help people to heal and take advantage of the federal healing fund that the federal government has made available. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 628

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a reply to a question asked by Mr. Ootes on December 8, 1998. Mr. Speaker, teachers are defined by the Education Act as persons who are professionally certified as teachers and who are also members of the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association. As of December 1, 1998, there are 1,271 teachers working in schools throughout the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, this includes 616 teachers in the western Northwest Territories and 655 in Nunavut. There are an additional 40 teachers on leave. Mr.

Speaker, this number does not include qualified teachers who may be working in colleges, in non-teaching positions in the Department of Education, Culture and Employment or in positions that do not require teaching qualifications. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 629

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a constituent of Cambridge Bay, Mr. Tom Brown. Thank you.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 629

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 285-13(6): Full-time Kitikmeot Fire Chiefs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 629

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of MACA , my honourable friend, Ms. Thompson . Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement, I recognized the excellent work the volunteer fire department in small and large communities across the board have done in the past years. I am sure every Member of this House recognizes their unique help in a community.

I indicated in my Member's statement when I attended the Kitikmeot Leaders Forum, we have indicated that they wanted to see the funding of the full-time fire fighters in the Kitikmeot region in every community, that is recognized and have major infrastructure in that community, like school, health centres and so on.

My question to the honourable Minister, Mr. Speaker, is will the Minister look seriously at the possibility of funding the full-time Fire Chief Program in communities in the Kitikmeot region? I think we have about six communities in that region. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will seriously look at the request by the Member for the Kitikmeot leaders. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Question 285-13(6): Full-time Kitikmeot Fire Chiefs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Having learned from the past that having a time frame for requesting funding and so on, will the Minister respond to the Kitikmeot Leaders Forum by January 1, 1999? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will answer as quickly as possible to the Kitikmeot leadership in which forum, I do not know. I will be communicating with them. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same honourable Minister. How soon is as soon as possible, by January 1, 1999? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It might be January 2nd. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the honourable Minister. Will it be by January 15, 1999? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member can pick a date and I will answer on that date. It can be on the 15th of January. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 286-13(6): NWT Power Corporation Transition Agreement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 629

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are directed to the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation, it is in regard to his emergency statement. The fact that at the 11th hour, there has no been no agreement on a transitional arrangement apparently signed off, even though we have the bills ready to go. Could the Minister indicate possible time frames? We are only sitting till...today is our last day and a short session on Friday. Could you sketch out time frames in terms of trying to bring resolution to this issue if it is possible? Thank you.

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Question 286-13(6): NWT Power Corporation Transition Agreement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 629

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Does the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Power Corporation feel comfortable to answer it?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is difficult for me to say with any certainty what the timetable might look like. As I said in my statement, I am encouraged by the fact that all parties have agreed to meet tomorrow to continue to work the issue through. If it is possible for us to achieve a sign-off by all parties within the next day and a half, I would endeavour to introduce the legislation again in the Seventh Session on Friday. That would mean we would only get to first and second readings this week and trust that we will be able to conclude third reading in

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether, in fact, waiting until March, possibly to sign it off would give enough time to take the steps necessary to implement the agreement? If there is no agreement, will it then be a case of an automatic split or a formation of a separate power corporation in the east? Thank you?

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Thank you. Mr. Dent . Two questions.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In answer to the first question, the important aspect is to get the parties to sign-off on the transition agreement. If we have a sign-off on the transition agreement, I believe that the will is there for us to proceed as if the legislation will be successful in March. Given the fact that all parties are represented at the table, I have every reason to believe that we would be successful getting the legislation through. So, no, there will be no problem if we can get everybody to initial the agreement. I am confident that this will be enough to ensure continuity of service.

If we are not able to achieve an agreement in the next few days, I cannot say at this point in time what the next step would be. I am confident we will find a way to ensure that the power continues to be delivered both east and west, after April 1st. Will that be through two separate utilities or through one continued one? The fact of the matter is, there is not time to set up a new headquarters operation in Nunavut for April 1st, 1999.

I would expect that whether through contracting provisions or some other approach, there will still be management of power delivery in Nunavut by the NWT Power Corporation after April 1st for some period of time, even if we technically have two power corporations on that date. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Minister's statement, he indicates a tentative agreement has been reached on all aspects of the transition agreement with the exception of how to share the dividend payments between the NWT and Nunavut during the transition period. Could the Minister elaborate on that difference and give us a sense of how far apart the parties are and is it a reconcilable difference? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I did not bring with me into the House the formula that is being considered at the table right now, so, I cannot answer the Member's specific question. The parties are very close and that is why there has been an agreement to meet tomorrow to try and see if we cannot work through the issue that is separating the parties and bring this to some resolution. I cannot give him the precise numbers that he has asked for, but it would be safe to say that the difference is not a large one. I believe we will see the parties agree. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to Mr. Ng , the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , regarding the closure of the Vital Statistics Office in Yellowknife. The Minister of Health and Social Services recently confirmed his knowledge of the closure of the Vital Statistics Office in Yellowknife, the duties and responsibilities of the officers being transferred to Inuvik and Rankin Inlet. My question to the Minister is, could the Minister of Health and Social Services advise this House when the decision was made to close the Yellowknife office and transfer the functions to Inuvik and Rankin Inlet and when the employees were advised? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding it was part of the reorganization plan with the health services administration being headquarters, with the department being moved out, with division coming on April 1st. I do not know the actual dates of when the decision was made or when the employees would have been advised, but I will get that information and provide it to the Member.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Minister could advise me as to what options are being provided to the employees in Yellowknife for being affected by this closure and reallocation of responsibilities to Inuvik and Rankin Inlet?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have the details of what options are provided. We made a commitment to this government that nobody would be laid-off, so there would be other alternate positions that would be provided to them. Again, I do not have the specifics with me and I will

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister, Mr. Speaker, provide a thumbnail sketch of the responsibilities of the office of Vital Statistics, as to whether the roles and responsibilities they have are more to the general public or is it internal to the government, itself?

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Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will try to provide that information along with the rest of the response to him. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During my Member's statement, I made a statement and I would like to add further, in a question to the Minister of Transportation . I am wondering if there can be some additional funding for the Arctic Bay docking facility? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during this division time, any capital projects the department on the western side here, it is a different process now. So, any new requests we are hearing, we are making recommendations to the new government in Nunavut, particularly if there is a new department being formed in Nunavut starting April 1, 1999. There is transportation, housing and community government. They have a deputy minister acting now who is Mike Ferris.

What we are doing is, we ensure that any requests we hear in regard to infrastructure such as a docking facility, we are making recommendations to them that this is a very important issue and we are passing that information over to them. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement today, I made reference to the lack of consideration that the Income Support Program gave to a disabled constituent in Hay River. The process required to access income support is cumbersome and does not take into consideration the realities of disabled people. Can the Minister tell me if there are any other programs like those designed for seniors available for disabled persons? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Income Support Program is not supposed to be difficult to access and I am concerned about the Member's comment in her statement that a disabled person found it difficult to gain access to the program. We will commit to investigating that concern, Mr. Speaker. The Income Support Program is set up so that anybody who demonstrates their needs are at a certain level can access the program to provide them with support. There are, of course, limits that are set on the program due to fiscal realities that, unfortunately, we have to live with in terms of total dollars available for the program. If a person demonstrates need, the program will provide support.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell us if the Income Support Program takes into account the required expenses of a disabled person who is living in their own home? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All of a person's expenses are taken into account. In terms of providing assistance for housing, that disabled person's assistance is provided at full cost. There may be a problem if a disabled person is paying a mortgage instead of rent. That may create a situation where the program would dictate the provision of funding for accommodation for this person for a certain amount of money. If that amount is exceeded through the paying of a mortgage, for instance, then the mortgage payment may not be allowed. Instead, a suggestion would be made for a tenancy, rather than ownership. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell me if the Income Support Program looks at the financial implications of supporting a disabled person in their own home, versus the costs that will be incurred by the government, if the disabled person is forced to move into social housing because they cannot afford to live in their home? Is any consideration given to that cost? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would expect that such a comparison would not be made. The standards of the program are set to ensure that people have the ability to live in accommodation that is suitable, and not necessarily their own. The program is set up with certain standards. As it is delivered across the territories, the same standard applies everywhere. A comparison would not necessarily be made to other programs that this government might offer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think everyone would agree that compassion and common sense should go hand in hand in the

interpretation of the income support guidelines. Can the Minister explain the process the disabled person on a fixed pension would go through to access income support? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will get to that in a moment. It occurred to me that I missed, in my previous answer to the Member, an important aspect that I think she will find interesting. For the past, year or so, the Housing Corporation, Education, Culture and Employment, and Health and Social Services have been working on a project to try to integrate our programs of support to people in the territories. Firstly, people will, it is hoped, be able to have one window to enter to discuss all of these programs.

Number two, one of the problems we face is that there are different standards in each of our programs in terms of qualifying incomes. We are working at trying to establish a common set of standards. Work is being undertaken currently by this government to try and bring some uniformity to our programs.

In response to the Member's second question, the person applying for income support should be able to apply to an income support worker and have that income support worker assist them, in completing the form, which basically sets out what the person's income is and their expenses. are. At the end of the form, these are totalled and if there is a need for a subsidy, the income support program subsidizes the person. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to Mr. Dent , Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. I think it is fair to say that we have experienced recent power outages at the City of Yellowknife in the last while. I would like the Minister to tell the House and, particularly the residents of my community, what has caused these power outages? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The raven did it. Mr. Speaker, I am assuming that the Member is talking about the two power outages that were experienced in Yellowknife on Saturday. Those are the most recent ones that I am aware of. On Saturday, about 11:00 a.m., there was a power outage that did result from a raven on the Bluefish line. Approximately noon, there was a second outage which was as a result of frost build up on the Snare hydro line. This caused the line to sag and thus experience a ground fault interruption.

Earlier this month there was a power failure on the Snare line, again caused by frost build up which had been noticed in a helicopter surveillance flight. There was a team scheduled to remove the frost the next day, but before they could get to the site, the frost build up caused the line to sag and cause a ground fault.

Mr. Speaker, there have been some mechanical failures at the Snare hydro site this month that we have not been able to identify as to why those outages happened, other than something causes the breakers to trip mechanically.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that. From his answer, I would assume that the cause of the problem is NWT Power Corporation's, as opposed to the local distributor. My question to the Minister is, what avenues of compensation are available to customers whose equipment is damaged, for example, motors, ballasts and refrigerators that are sensitive to power reductions or bumps? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would expect in a situation where a raven has caused the power outage or where frost build up has caused the power outage, it would be difficult to say that it was

an act of negligence on the part of the Power Corporation. Therefore, the Power Corporation could not be expected to be liable in that situation. The homeowner should check first with their insurance company to see if they are covered, but I do not believe the Power Corporation carries any insurance to compensate people for natural acts such as the ones we have experienced here.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am starting to get a better handle on the items that the Power Corporation would not cover and we know that ravens are one of them. They do not cover the outages from that. Could the Minister, maybe tell me some examples of what damages the Power Corporation would cover, or if there has been any examples in recent history of where the Power Corporation has covered costs for the examples that I talked about in my earlier statement? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There was a recent outage in Fort Resolution where the corporation did establish an office to look at areas where damage had resulted from an extreme over-voltage situation in the community. There was some compensation provided to individuals there and I will have my office develop a comprehensive answer and provide it to the Member, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister, in response to my first question, suggested it was a raven that did it. I think all people in Yellowknife have heard that reason given numerous times before. For the benefit of myself and residents of my community, I am sure there is a good reason, could the Minister explain how it actually happens that a raven sitting on a wire, or whatever it is, causes a power outage? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, technically what happens is the raven becomes a conductor for the electricity to go to ground. That causes a ground fault which, in turn, causes the breakers to trip. If the bird happens to be situated close to the high voltage line and close to a part of the transformer, for instance, that is grounded, the circuit is closed and goes to ground causing the breaker to trip. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is my first question for seven years since I have been acting as Premier.

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Can the Acting Premier inform this House whether or not he ever had a private meeting with another business individual, as well as the Hay River MLA in the 13th Assembly? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Member is asking me whether or not I have had a meeting with the Member for Hay River and another business person, in the last few years, I would say, yes, it probably occurred a couple of times. I have met with most of the MLAs on many private occasions and sometimes with, and sometimes without constituents, some business people, some private people. It is possible. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I commend the Acting Premier on taking the time to meet with business people from the Northwest Territories. Has he ever met with the MLA from Hay River and a business person to discuss private interest business that the MLA was involved in? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier this week I think we heard something in the House concerning the economic strategy. I wonder if Mr. Todd could update us on the fiscal side of the economic strategy and the direction that it has taken. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Economic strategy update, Mr. Speaker, I will try to make it short and succinct. We have a draft report that the working committee is looking at, that is, the deputies. The Ministers will be given an opportunity to take a look at. It is a working document. It is not complete by any means. I have looked at it myself and there are, as other Ministers have told me, some loopholes in it. We intend to add to and subtract to the report as it currently sits. We hope that we can conclude in the next couple of weeks.

I apologize for it taking so long, but there have been a great deal of difficulties which have occurred in the last little while that have involved some of the people. We hope to, in the next couple of weeks, get a working document put together that we can then communicate with the stakeholders out there as a working document, seek their ongoing input and eventually put in place a document that this government and future governments, hopefully, will move forward in advance.

The overriding emphasis, if you want, at least from my perspective, and I believe from my colleagues, is that there are four or five critical components to the way in which we do government. I have said on a number of occasions I really feel that perhaps economic strategy is not quite the appropriate way to describe it. Maybe it is investment north, I do not know. The four important ingredients are, as we said, in the west particularly, getting governance right and that is an important issue for the aboriginal and non-aboriginal constituency.

We need a new fiscal relationship with Canada and in particular, in my opinion anyway, on the non-renewable resource side. I will be talking about that later on today and in the tax window. We need to take a look at the infrastructure needs in partnership with the federal government which includes all the Ministers, Mr. Antoine in Transportation; Mr. Dent in Education, Culture and Employment; Mr. Ng , et cetera, in his field and of course, Mr. Kakfwi , who is very active in economic programs. Our intent is to advance that agenda, at the end of the day, both north and south.

In my opinion, if I may, Mr. Speaker, there really are two audiences here. Obviously, you have an audience for domestic consumption as they say, and we need to do a self-analysis of what we are doing. I think that is a healthy thing to do. That is what we are currently doing and see if, in fact, the current programs that we are doing, we could do better. Mr. Kakfwi is working aggressively on a new economic agreement. I am optimistic, as others are, that we will be able to conclude, hopefully, soon, with the federal government, an understanding that additional dollars will flow.

There have to be an examination internally if you want to know what we are doing. There has to be significant discussions with the stakeholders out there to ensure that we have a balanced point of view. Ultimately, the second audience is the federal government. That is the Minister of DIAND, Ms. Stewart. All of us are working very aggressively in that field and we need to, at some point, bring Mr. Martin into the equation so that we can get at least his tacit support on entering a new fiscal relationship in the tax window.

There is a great deal more to it than that, but in brief, in

summary, as they say, I am working along with my Cabinet colleagues to move as quickly as I can to make sure the report encompasses both the large agenda, as well as a community-based one. I am optimistic that in the next two weeks, three weeks, we will be able to conclude that so that we can then get it out there to the constituency at large. Recognizing - let me be clear - that this is a working document and there has been - I freely admit - limited discussion at the stakeholder level; and we need to ensure that we find a mechanism or process to do that. I am confident we can.

At the end of the day I hope that the document will be one document of many that will help guide and provide some advice to the remaining three months of this government, and more importantly, to the new government should they choose to take the document and move forward on it. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in this draft report that Mr. Todd is hoping to have available to stakeholders in a couple of weeks, what type of consultation was done? Mr. Todd has said, indeed, that consultation was not at the level that probably was expected at the beginning and that it was not at the level that probably the stakeholders would like to see. I am wondering what type of consultation was done to look at the new tax window for Nunavut and for resource development and, look at securing the financial health of Nunavut for our children, because at the end of the day that is what the economic strategy was developed for, for two territories and not just for one territory.

I wonder if Mr. Todd could back up a little bit in his verbiage on the discussion of the availability of this draft economic strategic plan and look at securing the financial health of Nunavut, look at the resource windows and look at the other type of tax plans for that southern marketplace for Miss Jane Stewart and take it from there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Todd , I heard several questions, but to you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I may, I have an urgent call I have to make and I will try to answer my colleague's question and come back as quickly as I can. Mr. Speaker, my honourable colleague is correct. As a Nunavut MLA and Cabinet Minister, I certainly want to ensure and work very hard to bring stability to the economic conditions the east and west can provide a solid base for two new governments. You are correct. We need to move to the next step. It is our intention, certainly on the large picture side, to do exactly that. Whatever you do in a tax window or tax initiatives in the west has to be done in the east. There is no question. Mr. Martin made that