Debates of Nov. 26th, 1993

This is page numbers 205 - 232 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Supplementary Trapper Support

Telephone Rates And Services

Community Transfer Initiatives

Financial Situation Of Sanikiluaq Housing Association

Insurance Coverage

Proposal For Restructuring Of Public Government

Congratulating Constituent On Receiving Bursary From NWT Science Institute

Quality Of Water Service In Arviat

Using Caution On Ice

Member's Statement Congratulating Student On Achievements

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Quality Of Water On The Mackenzie River System

Capital Improvements To The Cape Dorset Airport

Overcrowding In Pond Inlet School

Issuance Of Timber Licences Near Fort Simpson

Successes/failures Of Negotiated Contracts

Electrical Contract Bid In Pond Inlet

Health Care Coverage Outside Of Canada

Parking Fee Charges To GNWT Employees

Status Of Creation Of A Western Arctic Regional Government

Communities Unable To Fulfil Mcap Provisions

Hamlet Of Sanikiluaq - Housing Association Difficulties

Status Of Community Transfer Initiative

Federal Fiduciary Responsibility For Aboriginal Social Housing

Deadline For Response From Feds On Social Housing

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 3-12(4): Audit Bureau On Iqaluit Social Services Operation

Committee Report 7-12(4): Report On The Committee Review Of Delury And Associates Limited Contracts

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Tabled Document 11-12(4), Report From The Fort Providence/cambridge Bay Strategic Planning Workshops

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Adopt Recommendation 16

To Adopt Recommendation 17

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Pudlat . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 26-12(4): Supplementary Trapper Support

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as we are all aware, trappers have had a difficult time recently because of a number of factors beyond their control. Last winter was particularly difficult. In March, after a very poor trapping season, MLAs in the Assembly requested the Minister of Renewable Resources to find ways to help offset the low income from trapping. In response, the government is providing an additional $375,000 in harvester assistance.

---Applause

This extra support is to help trappers who have been active during the last two years. This has been the time when fur prices have been low, some species' numbers are low because of the cyclical nature of fur bearer populations and trappers were becoming familiar with the new traps.

A trapper's individual incentive grant payments since the late 1980s have been averaged, and an additional payment will be given to each trapper based on this amount. The average payment is $300 and the range is from $25 to $3,500. The department is preparing the cheques now and expects to have them available to trappers in two weeks. The cheques will be provided to the appropriate hunters' and trappers' associations, hunters' and trappers' committee and band councils for distribution.

We will continue to supply whatever support possible to help trappers through these difficult times. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 26-12(4): Supplementary Trapper Support

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 27-12(4): Telephone Rates And Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the last two years Members of this House have been raising concerns about the seven communities that have no telephone service.

During the summer, the CRTC made several rulings that limited the scope of the rate increase. Final arguments were filed in September. The CRTC decision is expected in December. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 27-12(4): Telephone Rates And Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 28-12(4): Community Transfer Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Public Works and Services is working to transfer responsibility for its maintenance programs in Cape Dorset and Holman. The department has entered into a memorandum of understanding with the hamlet of Cape Dorset. The maintenance employees in Cape Dorset now work for the hamlet administrator.

The department has now contracted with the hamlet of Holman for maintenance services in that community. These arrangements are providing the hamlets with maintenance experience before the implementation of community transfer agreements, scheduled for next spring.

I am pleased to be involved with these agreements. The department will continue to cooperate when other communities initiate transfer discussions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 28-12(4): Community Transfer Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Financial Situation Of Sanikiluaq Housing Association

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The hamlet of Sanikiluaq has the authority to run their housing association. The Sanikiluaq Housing Association is having problems with their financial statements. As a Member of that area, we are asking for assistance to get the budget in order. As well, in Iqaluit, the housing corporation office should be able to assist the hamlet to take over the housing authority. I would like to ask the government, Mr. Speaker, to assist the Sanikiluaq Housing Association.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Insurance Coverage

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I rise to speak about certain insurance companies operating in the Northwest Territories. I used to think that sometimes during question period I got the run-around by the honourable Ministers. I wish to state, for the record, that the Ministers are mere amateurs when compared to the run-around I recently received at the hands of my insurance company.

---Laughter

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, I am sure most Members of the House recall the arguments my truck had with the bison.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, the end result of the bison incident was that my truck insurance quadrupled from $600 per year. At the time of the renegotiation -- and I use the term "renegotiation" very loosely -- I determined that under the new and improved rate I was being charged, there would not be much point in getting glass coverage for my vehicle. That was not a hard decision on my part because the insurance company wished to charge me more than what a new windshield was worth for this coverage.

Mr. Speaker, on November 13, the small side window of my truck was broken. As a good, conscientious citizen, and not having had any recent run-ins with the highway patrol, this wanton act of destruction was duly reported to the proper authorities. Now, is where the plot thickens, Mr. Speaker.

I decided that since I carried vandalism insurance, it might be possible to recoup from my insurance company the $160 I had to pay to replace my window. Mr. Speaker, this was not to happen. For, you see, Mr. Speaker, vandalism does not cover glass. If someone took a hammer to my vehicle and smashed up the body of my truck, that would be vandalism. However, if the same person took the same hammer and smashed my window, this would not be considered vandalism. For the window to be covered under my insurance, it would have been necessary for the perpetrator of this destructive act to break the window and steal my vehicle. Mr. Speaker, this makes a lot of sense.

---Laughter

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and honourable Members. Mr. Speaker, this makes a lot of sense. If a person who broke a window manages to get the truck started and manages not to roll or wreck it, and if the truck is ever found again, the insurance company will replace the window. However, if the person who broke into your truck is not the brightest thief in the world and can't figure out how to steal your truck, you're out of luck for getting any money out of the insurance company.

Mr. Speaker, now I thought I might be getting somewhere -- I have theft coverage. I thought to myself, what would happen if the next time an incident like this occurred? If the person steals something from my vehicle, something like my gun rack, I would be covered. Would I be reimbursed for my gun rack and my window? Mr. Speaker, apparently, gun racks are not considered part of a vehicle, therefore not only would I not get reimbursed for my gun rack and window, the window would not be covered because nothing was stolen.

---Laughter

I don't know if I'm making any sense here, Mr. Speaker. My gun rack was spared the attack the last time I saw my truck.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, I have advice for any residents of the Northwest Territories. Don't assume anything. Ask questions of your insurance agent. Find out that everything you have is covered. I know the next time I get insurance, I will be making sure that myself and my insurance agent have the same

interpretation on what my insurance actually covers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Gargan . I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome to our Assembly, Mr. Roger Gruben, Chairman of the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, and there's a delegation of other Gwich'in and Inuvialuit leaders, most of whom I introduced yesterday.

---Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Proposal For Restructuring Of Public Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to inform Members of important and significant events in the Beaufort/Delta region. Later today I will be tabling a proposal

for the restructuring of public government in the western Arctic. This proposal acknowledges that community governments are paramount. In fact, it describes regional governments as a partnership of communities. This regional government will be formed by communities.

As Members know, the Gwich'in and the Inuvialuit maintain, by virtue of the Inuvialuit and Gwich'in land claim agreements, the right to negotiate self-government agreements. It is significant to note, however, that the Inuvialuit, Gwich'in and non-aboriginal people have come together to develop a proposal for the restructuring of public government. The preference for a public forum of government reflects the desire of all groups within the Inuvik region to work toward common goals and a common future in the region.

This public government will be equitable, inclusive and universal. The Gwich'in, Inuvialuit and the municipalities believe that since this form of government will be community and regionally-based, it will be cost-effective, efficient and representative.

This regional government will have the authority to pass laws and set standards on a regional level, and will assume certain authority currently held by either the territorial or federal governments. In this way, local and regional decision-making will be maximized. To the greatest extent possible, community governments will assume responsibility for delivering programs.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Koe .

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Proposal For Restructuring Of Public Government

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The proposal maximizes legislative authority in the region, improves the quality of government programs and secures a strong future for the region in a new western territory.

Mr. Speaker, the reshaping of government institutions in the western Arctic can be achieved either through the western constitutional process, self-government negotiations undertaken by the Gwich'in and the Inuvialuit, or a combination of both. I can assure Members that the people of the region are committed to the western constitutional process and are hopeful that it reaches a successful conclusion.

The Constitutional Development Steering Committee process is under way and there should be no difficulty in incorporating this proposal into the work of the committee so that a western Arctic regional government will be compatible with the future structure of a western territorial government. However, I must also point out that the people of the western Arctic know what they want, in terms of restructuring public government, and may pursue any number of measures to achieve their goals.

The Gwich'in, Inuvialuit and municipal governments acknowledge that the reshaping of public government in the west, and the formation of a regional government, must coincide with the establishment of a Nunavut government in the east. This regional government will be governed by a regional council of elected community representatives.

Each member community will elect one regional councillor. Two additional regional councillors and a mayor will be elected at large. In this way, the needs of the communities and the needs of the region can be represented. In this proposal, Mr. Speaker, community governments are recognized as paramount. Communities will also judge this proposal when residents vote, in community by community plebiscites, to opt into the regional government.

The intent of this proposal is not to isolate the western Arctic, but to create new relationships. Just as the people of the western Arctic share common goals and values, residents of the region also share a relationship with the people and institutions that make up the remainder of the Northwest Territories. The creation of regional government will not impair this relationship. The challenge is to create a regional government that can enjoy a complementary relationship with a central government.

Mr. Speaker, in conclusion, let me remind Members that the Northwest Territories is already regionalized. The administration of this government is based on regions. Regions are also defined by geography, language and culture and there are regionally-based land claim agreements.

The Inuvialuit, Gwich'in and municipalities realize that other people across the western Northwest Territories may be interested in this proposal. They have indicated to me that they are prepared to make presentations to any interested parties to explain the proposal. Mahsi. Qujannamiik.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Koe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Congratulating Constituent On Receiving Bursary From NWT Science Institute

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate Karla Van Pelt, a resident of my constituency, on receiving the James H. Harrison bursary from the Science Institute of the Northwest Territories.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, Ms. Van Pelt was born and raised in Fort Smith and is currently in her third year in paleobiology at the University of Saskatchewan. This is the first year for the awarding of this bursary and I'm proud that a resident of my riding was chosen for this award. This bursary is for the amount of $3,000 and is awarded by the Science Institute, in memory of Dr. James Harrison, who was the founding chair of the Science Institute board of governors.

After Karla Van Pelt finishes her degree, she plans to return to the north, hopefully Fort Smith, and work for either Parks Canada or our own Department of Renewable Resources. Mr. Speaker, we need more northerners trained in the sciences working in our government and helping us, as political leaders, to make intelligent and informed decisions for all the residents of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I congratulate the Science Institute for promoting science as a viable career path for northerners of the territories. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Quality Of Water Service In Arviat

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to, once again, raise an issue that the community of Arviat has been concerned about for many, many years. This issue has to do with the quality of water service to the community. For many years, the community was receiving water which was from a still lake, meaning there was no flow into the lake, nor any flow out of the lake, except to the community reservoir.

This past summer, the Department of Public Works spent funds to correct this problem, with the sponsorship of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. A local contractor was hired to construct a line from a creek where the people of the community go to pick up ice from. I should note that they only hired local people to construct the line.

I was stopped by the Anglican minister when I was last in Arviat, to pass the on communities' appreciation for the new water line to the Minister of Public Works and to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs. Although it was not from a creek which the majority of people would have liked to receive their water from, it is better than Mikilaaq Lake.

I stated before, that a previous Minister of the 11th Assembly was served water with some contaminants. Mr. Speaker, I would therefore like to inform Members of the Cabinet that it is now safe. Now they are invited to come into Arviat any time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Arngna'naaq . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Using Caution On Ice

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past few days following the blizzard we had last week, we have been enjoying some very balmy weather here. Some of the areas of the territories west of us have even been above freezing for quite a while. I think records will indicate that we had a very fine fall and perhaps records set for mildness during November.

But, while some of us are enjoying this mild and early winter, others are not. At this time, it is very critical for the formation of ice. This ice is used by many of our northern people as a means of transportation, such as roads to resources for trappers and hunters. Sadly, Mr. Speaker, we lose people to thin ice accidents.

Last year, the constituents of Tu Nedhe were saddened by the loss of two trappers from Lutsel K'e, on Nonacho Lake. This year already, we have had the deaths of two young people here in Yellowknife from Dettah. They went through the ice across the lake. Although there were heroic efforts to save one of them, two perished. On the Hoarfrost River, within the last couple of weeks, Kristen and Dave Olsen, who have a cabin out there and live out there year round, both went through the ice. Miraculously, Mr. Speaker, both escaped, wet and cold. Fortunately, they were close to their cabin, only a couple of miles away.

But, their dog teams -- two teams totalling 20 dogs -- all drowned and they lost all their equipment.

Right here on Frame Lake -- just outside of our door -- earlier this year, I saw snowmobilers running on ice that had just formed the night before. Two days later there was no ice there. The conditions were very questionable. The message I'm trying to convey to people, Mr. Speaker, is that although we have ice and winter to enjoy, we must use extreme caution at this time of the year. I can't convey that message too strongly, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Member's Statement Congratulating Student On Achievements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. About a week ago, I got a call from a high school teacher, Mieke Cameron, who asked if there was any way we could recognize outstanding academic achievement for grade twelve students. She told me that she had taught an extraordinary student. Her name is Allison Marshall. She wondered what kind of extraordinary achievements deserved to be recognized in a very special way by Members of this House.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Question 78-12(4): Nanisivik Water And Sewage Disposal System

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Pudluk on November 24, regarding the Nanisivik water and sewer disposal system.

The department considers Nanisivik to be the locale where mine personnel are served by the existing municipal type infrastructure, and not an organized community with a recognized level of local government.

The GNWT does not hold, and has never held, a municipal water license for Nanisivik. The only water license in existence is held by the mine and is solely for industrial use.

In its last meeting on July 12, 1993, it was agreed by all that Nanisivik Mines Ltd. should continue to operate and maintain the water and sewer system, and a cost-share agreement, based on the use by all customers, would be developed. The government's position continues to be that the responsibility for the ownership and operation and maintenance of the water and sanitation facilities at Nanisivik rests with the Nanisivik Mine. Therefore, the government has not undertaken any repairs to the system.

Departmental staff have contacted the mine to relay the Water Board's concerns regarding the sewage system and the need to chlorinate drinking water, and requested that repairs be undertaken at the earliest, consistent with the agreement reached with the mine on July 12, 1993. The mine has indicated that the creek into which the sewage is being discharged is still the same one into which Nanisivik Mines Ltd. has been discharging its tailings for years. The whole area has long been well-signed and posted to warn the general public to keep away, therefore, there is no immediate health hazard.

In the longer term, the principle of user-pay will be adopted by all parties applied to the water and sewer systems for Nanisivik. The GNWT, as a customer, will be responsible to the mine as the owner and operator of the system for the costs of services to the GNWT buildings. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 209

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 209

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a response to a question asked by Mr. Pudluk on November 19, 1993, concerning payment of health bills for foreign resident.

Mr. Speaker, visitors from outside Canada are not eligible for coverage under the health care plan. Individuals from outside of Canada who take up residency in the Northwest Territories are required to provide valid immigration papers to qualify for NWT health care plan benefits. The immigration documents that are acceptable for the purpose of NWT health care coverage are a student visa, a working visa, or a landed immigrant visa. If the individual has any of these items he could be eligible for coverage under the NWT health care plan from the day of his arrival in the Northwest Territories.

The individual in the Member's community should contact the nurse in charge at the local health centre regarding coverage under the NWT health care plan. Further information is available from the Baffin Regional Health Board or the supervisor of registration in the Northwest Territories' health care plan. The number there is 1-800-661-0786.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, if the honourable Member wishes to provide me with additional information on the individual, I will look into the matter further. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 209

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 209

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In responding to a question yesterday, asked by my honourable colleague, Mr. Allooloo , with regard to the pupil/teacher ratio under the collective agreement, I just want to inform the honourable Members here that the pupil/teacher ratio is not a matter under the collective agreement, but rather a policy within government.

The other matter is that I will be, in future, making a ministerial statement on this matter to inform the Members of this House on how that particular matter is dealt with in assigning teachers to each school.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 209

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

In this case, the Member is correcting the record as opposed to a formal reply to an oral question. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Question 102-12(4): Quality Of Water On The Mackenzie River System

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 209

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Renewable Resources and is with regard to water. Mr. Speaker, there has been a concern in my community and in the Deh Cho region, in particular, about the water in the Mackenzie River and whether the pulp mills in the south actually have an affect on the quality of water in the Mackenzie River.

On a number of occasions, Mr. Speaker, people in Providence have caught fish that didn't look normal. It does concern the community. I would like to ask the Minister whether this government has any kind of strategic plan with regard to protecting watersheds? I'm referring, specifically, to places like Kakisa and Willow Lake. Those all have fairly good quality water that might have to be used eventually if quality of water in the Mackenzie doesn't get better.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, for a number of years I know that the federal government and a number of provinces -- Saskatchewan, British Columbia, the Yukon as well as ourselves here in the Northwest Territories -- have been attempting to negotiate a trans-boundary water agreement. They have reached a stage where they have drafted what they call a master agreement. This is an attempt to try to come to some sort of agreement on how to conduct ourselves as public governments in our various jurisdictions, so we take into account the concerns of people, especially downstream from us.

In our case, we are sometimes downstream from British Columbia and, particularly, Alberta. There has been a master agreement reached during the course of the summer. As I understand it, there were some concerns raised by representatives of the Treaty 8 First Nations. At this time, the agreement is momentarily held, as we are trying to deal with some of these concerns before signatures are made to this master agreement.

Once that is done, it sets the context for any other work the department might be able to do, with regard to some of the smaller watersheds that feed into the Mackenzie that are inside the boundaries of the Northwest Territories.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Question 102-12(4): Quality Of Water On The Mackenzie River System

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Arctic Red River is a heritage river and it is identified as such, I think. I would like to ask the government whether we have legislation in place right now that can actually identify those lakes as protected areas so that we don't have people dumping into those lakes or developing around them. This is so that, in the future, we at least have water that we can actually use in the event that the quality gets worse in the Mackenzie. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 102-12(4): Quality Of Water On The Mackenzie River System

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, certain lakes are considered sanctuaries for wildlife and they have different legislation to protect them. As to what particular pieces of territorial legislation we have to protect our different lakes, and for what reasons, is not clear to me. I would have to get back to the Member with a detailed response at a later date. I will be taking the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 102-12(4): Quality Of Water On The Mackenzie River System

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The question has been taken as notice. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 103-12(4): Capital Improvements To The Cape Dorset Airport

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Transportation . He answered some of my questions, but I would also like to ask him something else. We have had problems in Cape Dorset, it is not as bad in the winter-time, but in the spring and summer there are problems with the airport. Perhaps the Minister of Transportation could consider improving this airport in the capital budget.

Mr. Speaker, the problems we have had with the Cape Dorset airport have existed for a long time. I would like to ask the Minister if he could consider the problem in Cape Dorset. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Todd .

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Page 210

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to assure my honourable colleague that we are taking the issue of the Cape Dorset runway very seriously. This past summer, there were some runway repairs completed and some geotechnical, survey and design work was also completed in the plan. It is our intent to rehabilitate that air field and the runway lighting in 1994-95. We intend to do that this coming summer. There will be a new air terminal building for Cape Dorset, should the budget be approved, in 1995-96.

We are taking action as quickly as we can. It is our intention to bring the Cape Dorset runway up to grade this summer and to construct a new air terminal building in 1995. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 103-12(4): Capital Improvements To The Cape Dorset Airport

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister, for responding to my question. This is a big problem in Cape Dorset, and it has existed for some time. Looking through the capital budget, I was expecting to see the problem we have in Cape Dorset addressed in this capital budget. Perhaps this can be in the spring budget plan for this coming year. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Todd .

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Question 103-12(4): Capital Improvements To The Cape Dorset Airport

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Let me assure my honourable colleague that there is money in the budget to rehabilitate the Cape Dorset airstrip this coming summer, in 1994-95. Should the money be approved for the air terminal building, there will be a new air terminal building in 1995-96. I want to assure him again that this summer we are going to rehabilitate the Cape Dorset runway and improve the airfield lighting system as well. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 210

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 104-12(4): Overcrowding In Pond Inlet School

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 211

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today, the Minister responsible for Education corrected the record. I just want to confirm what he said yesterday, "If the situation where the student/teacher ratio is higher than what is agreed to in the collective agreement, certainly we would respond." Mr. Speaker, my question is, even though this might not be in the collective agreement, would the Minister respond to the situation in Pond Inlet? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 211

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Nerysoo .

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Page 211

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, just to reiterate the point I made earlier, the whole matter of the teacher/pupil ratio is not a matter under the collective agreement. In terms of responding to the need teachers, that is done on a normal basis after the calculations of the numbers of students in the school at the end of October or mid-November and, based on policy, we will respond accordingly.

I will also, Mr. Speaker, be making a statement in the House about the whole matter so there is an understanding of how this works. I will talk about how the calculations for the need for teachers works and the requirements that we have to meet generally.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Question 105-12(4): Issuance Of Timber Licences Near Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 211

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for Renewable Resources . In the Fort Simpson area, the band there has a resource management group that is looking into all the resources in their traditional area. I'm told that the Department of Renewable Resources had issued a timber license to a sawmill company in that area. There is a great concern on the part of people in the traditional area. They don't agree with that license. They want to deal with resource management comprehensively before they start getting into logging.

I would like to ask the Minister responsible, if it is indeed true that Renewable Resources have issued a timber licence in that Martin Hills area near Fort Simpson. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 211

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Minister Kakfwi .

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Page 211

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the timber licence was issued around October 1, by the Department of Renewable Resources.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Question 105-12(4): Issuance Of Timber Licences Near Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 211

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

I would like to ask the Minister if the concerns of the people in the band who's traditional area is Martin Hills, if they were consulted before this timber license was issued. I say this because there was a petition issued by all the people who use that area traditionally, that they didn't want any logging to go on in that area. I would like to know if they were consulted. Mahsi.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 105-12(4): Issuance Of Timber Licences Near Fort Simpson

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 211

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I understand, from the department that letters were sent out following a request by a company or business to undertake some logging in the Martin Hills area. Letters were sent out informing the different groups and organizations in Fort Simpson. There was objection from the Dene band, but none of the other groups indicated any opposition, at the time. This is my recollection from the information I have reviewed recently.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 211

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. So, it's the position of the Minister responsible and the government that the aboriginal people who traditionally use their land -- even though their objections to logging have been voiced -- doesn't mean anything. It's their land and if they have objection to it, their position should be taken into consideration. I would like to ask the Minister responsible if that's the case. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Page 211

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, what I've asked is to review the legislation that binds this government in dealing with timber licensing. I understand it's viewed as rather archaic and not at all the type of legislation we should feel compelled to be bound under at this time.

I've asked the department, two days ago, if they would come forward with some recommendations about the type of changes that should be made under this legislation, with a view to sitting down with the MLA from the Deh Cho and other parties as well, to see if we can make some changes to the legislation that is politically more plausible to all Members, but also something that, I think, we can set up a process to make sure that the interests of everyone, particularly aboriginal people, are given the weight they should. I understand, under this present legislation it does not do that.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Your final supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. The Minister made reference to policies. As an aboriginal person involved in this institution, I know a lot of policies were made a long time ago, when we were not involved. Many of these policies and regulations didn't take into consideration our views at that time. Many of those regulations have to be changed today. I'd like to ask the Minister if the timber license that was issued on October 2, could be held until we've cleared this up because we're heading into some problems if we don't. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, again in the brief time I've had this department, I understand the legislation allows for the issuing of timber licenses and allows for appeal if a license is not issued. Once a license is issued, there is no recourse for the government or any other party to respond in any way to terminate the validity of a license. This is why I've asked the department to come to me in the next week or so with some suggestions so we can sit down with the MLA from the Deh Cho, and certainly other Members and parties, to look at ways in which we could try to resolve this situation and prevent others from happening in the future.

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Question 106-12(4): Successes/failures Of Negotiated Contracts

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, on Wednesday, the Minister told us how successful the Department of Transportation has been at increasing northern and local content in transportation contracts. I think all Members welcome programs which increase the number of jobs for northerners. However, Mr. Speaker, as the Minister noted in his statement, there is often a premium paid for some of the approaches taken, such as negotiated contracts. While there may be support for this approach, we've never heard in this House what those premiums might be.

I'd like to ask if the Minister will agree to table a report this session, outlining the details of the failures he referred to in his statement.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. Will the Minister further agree to table a report outlining the details of the successes to which he has referred?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I'd be only too happy to. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. Will the Minister also provide us with a report outlining the premium we've paid for the past two years in transportation contracts, and an indication of the net benefits for northerners which this premium has brought?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I'd like to point out, Mr. Speaker, that in all cases we didn't pay a premium. In some cases we met the budget that was assigned to the projects. I'd be only too happy to demonstrate to this House and to all the Members, the benefits of negotiated contracts with aboriginal people in communities where jobs are desperately required.

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Question 107-12(4): Electrical Contract Bid In Pond Inlet

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This being Friday, I would like to ask the Minister responsible for well over 500 questions that he posed to me in his and my former lives. It appears to me that the math I learned in the hallways and foyers of schools in Pond Inlet might be different than the math he learned in the proper classrooms, south of the lake. My question is, Mr. Speaker, to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . Is it the understanding of the Minister and his corporation staff, that 26,000 is greater than 24,000? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister "mathematical" Morin.

---Laughter

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, that depends whether or not you apply to the business incentive policy.

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Supplementary, Mr. Allooloo . This is number two for you, Mr. Allooloo , 498 to go.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The reason why I asked the question is because there was a case where a local business person in Pond Inlet and a business person from the Northwest Territories bid on the same contract. The local business person's bid was $24,000. The outsider's bid was $26,000. The corporation gave the contract to the higher bidder. I want to know why that was done. We keep hearing this. The resources are scarce in our government. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Allooloo is correct on some of the information. We did receive two bids on an electrical contract for the housing corporation in Pond Inlet. One bid was from Merkosak Construction in Pond Inlet for the amount of $24,000. Another bid came from Kheraj Enterprises Ltd. of Resolute Bay for the amount of $26,900. That was for the labour only, to install electrical systems and three access systems in houses in Pond Inlet.

The bids were evaluated. The business incentive policy was applied. In his bid, Merkosak was going to use an electrician who is qualified, but he was a resident of Quebec so he couldn't get the business incentive policy for that portion of the contract. In his bid, Kheraj's northern content and local content named an electrician from the Northwest Territories, so the business incentive policy was applied and Kheraj ended up with the low bid, because of the 15 per cent.

It was brought to the Housing Corporation's attention, by Mr. Allooloo , that Kheraj did not use the electrician from the Northwest Territories. He ended up using an electrician from Newfoundland.

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Some Hon. Members

Shame, shame.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

I would like to thank Mr. Allooloo for bringing that to my attention. We will be dealing with this. We have two options open to us because it is misleading to the Housing Corporation when a contractor does not follow his contract specifications. We will deal with it.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, this is not the first time that this has happened. I have been working with the Minister during the last few months, and also with the Premier , on this issue. It has to be resolved. Those contractors who say they will use northern businesses, and who don't use them, have to be dealt with. It is unfair to local small business people. On the bids, they normally have to follow what they say they will do and bigger businesses have other options. Mr. Speaker, this has to be resolved.

I would like to thank the Minister for his immediate attention to this. When is he going to deal with this problem?

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Minister Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In as much as Mr. Kheraj has misrepresented information to our office in his bid, what I am asking for now is an opinion from Justice whether this represents a breach of contract. If Justice gives me that opinion, I have two options. I can terminate the contract with Kheraj Enterprises and then I can award the balance of the contract to a northern firm, using a northern electrician. This is the route I would prefer to go, but I need an opinion from Justice so I don't get sued. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister responsible for Health . Mr. Speaker, it is getting close to that time of the year when a lot of people are going to be travelling out of the country for warmer climates. In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, quite a number of people travel on business by international travel.

Inevitably, one of these travellers is going to get sick or get into an accident and find themselves with a problem, in whatever foreign country they're in. I'd like to know whether our NWT health care would cover people if they get hurt or get sick in a foreign country. What coverage would the territorial health care give them?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, there is coverage for residents of the Northwest Territories when they are travelling in other regions of Canada. There is some coverage for them when they are outside of Canada. I remember, several years ago, having a constituent, and the Department of Health eventually settled their bills in Africa and brought them home. I think we are always willing to look at such situations outside of Canada.

What we mostly do, Mr. Speaker, is encourage people -- at the time they are making their travel plans and seeing their travel agents -- to take out extra insurance for when they are travelling outside of Canada. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure how well the people who travel -- who have health cards -- understand the implications of foreign and international travel, as far as health coverage is concerned. I wonder what action is being taken to inform persons holding NWT health care -- prior to their travelling, or upon issuance of their health care cards -- about what coverage they can expect and what they should do in situations they may face.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, this is not the first time this issue has come up in this House. Over the past few years, it has been raised a couple of times. At those times, departments did take action. It is my understanding that they asked travel agents to advise their patrons of the necessity to carry insurance. I will undertake to do that again. As Mr. Whitford says, there is a need to perhaps revitalize that information because people will be often travelling this winter to warmer climates.

First of all, I will undertake to find out if there's anything we can do, generally, through the Department of Health in our health centres, our hospitals, doctors offices, regional offices and so on and so forth. I will also undertake to send a letter to all travel agents and airlines in the Northwest Territories to reiterate to them that they should advise people, who travel

internationally, that a little bit of extra insurance would go a long way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the efforts that the Minister will undertake in this matter. We've had some very serious incidents, not too long ago, where a northern person was found to be in need in Thailand. It was pretty scary.

The supplementary question, Mr. Speaker, that I would to direct to the Minister of Health is, on the other side of the coin, we have a lot of visitors coming in. This particular area, Yellowknife, is well-known for its northern lights this time of the year. We have a lot of people coming in from Japan, for example, who spend a night out on the lake watching the northern lights. How would these people be covered if an accident or illness of a lengthy nature takes place? Would we would be responsible for all the costs incurred in bringing the person back to health?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, the blade cuts both ways. Canadians are generally treated well when they are in foreign countries. Northwest Territories' residents are generally treated well by health professionals when they are travelling and get sick outside of Canada and outside of this territory. Conversely, when people are visiting the Northwest Territories, if they get sick or injured, the first thing we're concerned about is their well-being.

I would inform this House that they are, first and foremost, treated and we don't worry at that particular time who is eventually going to pay the bill, Mr. Speaker. The majority of visitors to the Northwest Territories -- particularly the Japanese people who Mr. Whitford referred to -- are very well organized by their travel agents and tour agents.

The majority of them are carrying insurance. Some of them carry insurance from their employers. The majority of American visitors to the Northwest Territories have some kind of insurance. If we exhaust those insurance aspects, we would eventually go to the person and ask them to pay. But, certainly, we wouldn't be sending them bills while they're in their hospital bed, Mr. Speaker. We would do it in a sensible manner. However, we would try to recover the costs from those people who don't carry any kind of insurance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 109-12(4): Parking Fee Charges To GNWT Employees

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of DPW. Mr. Speaker, recently I received a couple of letters from my constituents. Prior to the session, I heard many concerns with regard to the parking fee that is imposed by this government. The fee is apparently for plugging in the vehicles or parking the vehicles.

I did write to the Minister of DPW to see if there was a policy developed on the fee that is imposed on many of the government employees. In responding, the Minister indicated that there was no policy developed and the user-pay was in the system in Yellowknife, Inuvik and Fort Smith and it would be implemented in Hay River, Fort Simpson and Iqaluit.

First of all, I would like to ask the Minister, what exactly is the charge for? Is it for a fee for the vehicle to be plugged in or is it for the parking space? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The fee is for both.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In addition to that, the Minister indicated that the user-pay is in place in Yellowknife, Inuvik and Fort Smith but it is not in place yet in Hay River, Fort Simpson or Iqaluit. I would like to ask why was this parking fee not imposed in an equitable fashion in every community in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't know.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems it is difficult for the Cabinet to know why things are not done in an equitable and fair manner. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if he would, by any chance, have available to him now -- through his briefing notes -- the rates imposed for parking? What are the user-pay rates that are being imposed? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The rates in Yellowknife are $45 monthly and $15 in the summer. This includes average winter and summer electricity costs -- which are $180 annually -- and winter and summer maintenance -- which averages $180 annually -- for a total of $360. It is spread out over the 12 months. Private parking lot rates in Yellowknife are $120 per month at the Centre Square indoor parking lot, $90 monthly at the Centre Square outdoor parking lot, and other downtown outdoor lots with no plug-ins cost $50 per month. The Legislative Assembly building parking rates are not set by the regional office, they are set right here. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the private rates in Yellowknife are imposed by a private firm. There is no doubt there is possibly a need to provide parking for the residents of Yellowknife, but across the territories there is a lot of room and a private enterprise would go broke if they brought forth parking fees to park a vehicle. There is a lot of room in many of the communities. This is why I can not understand why this government is trying to implement a user-fee system for parking.

This fee is being imposed on my constituents at a rate of $30 a month right across the board, for $360 a year. It is a burden, especially on single people. I would like to ask the Minister if he would review -- since he has already said that it hasn't been implemented in a fair manner -- this parking fee for the communities of the territories, with the view that if it is needed it be done in a fair manner? Thank you.

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Don Morin

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Agreed.

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Question 110-12(4): Status Of Creation Of A Western Arctic Regional Government

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I'm tempted to carry on with this line of questioning about parking but I'm resisting, even though it is Friday, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of aboriginal rights and constitutional development. This week we had a delegation come from the Inuvik region with a very, very carefully thought out proposal which was described in some detail by my colleague, Mr. Koe , this morning, in his Member's statement.

I would like to ask the Minister what exactly is the status of this proposal with regard to the development of a regional government in the Inuvik region?

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the process in the western territory is called the Constitutional Development Steering Committee process. The agreement reached a year and a half ago, under the initiative and the leadership of the Gwich'in and Inuvialuit, was that the process to develop a new constitution and to set up a political process for arriving at it in the western territories should recognize that the process should start at the community level. The Inuvialuit original proposal for regional government, called WARM, has gone through some changes because the Gwich'in have formed a partnership with them.

That regional government proposal reflects that start, that agreement that the Inuvialuit and Gwich'in reached with everyone else in the Mackenzie Valley. The regional government proposal -- as Mr. Koe said earlier -- reflects the commitment that community governments are paramount.

Again, a year and a half ago when we decided to initiate this constitutional process again, we also agreed it would be logical for communities to decide what powers and authority, rules and responsibilities they want for themselves. From there, it would progress to what they think they can and want to manage, administer and govern at the regional level. From there, it would go to a central government level. They figured that was a logical way to proceed.

This regional proposal, as it is, is a natural progression of that commitment made a year and a half ago. The status of the proposal, at this time, is in constitutional talks. The official discussion paper and position of the Gwich'in, Inuvialuit and, as I understand, the town of Inuvik, being used as a basis to pursue their objectives in that area.

There are a couple of possibilities, as I understand it. One, they will inform as many people as they can of the elements of the proposal, take it to the Constitutional Development Steering Committee meeting in December, and push for some early recognition and adoption of this paper and this position by other regions. They would seek some assurance that all or most of the elements contained in there will be supported by the other people, and try to figure out what work plan and process will have them arrive at a table with the federal government in the near future to negotiate recognition of this proposal.

The other option is for them to consider, unilaterally, approaching the federal government very early on, to recognize and adopt this proposal. It's unclear at this time what options they may choose. They may elect to go to the meeting in December, then make their decisions from there. They may approach the federal government on their own, earlier than that, to seek federal response, since it's the federal government that's going to be negotiating any changes to the NWT Act and negotiating any new forms of government.

At some time or other, the federal government, I would hope, would be prepared to indicate the parameters of what is negotiable in that forum. For them not to do that would be an indication of what may be their agenda.

The status of that, as I say, is a discussion paper. They feel very strong that that's what they want to arrive at, at the end of this process, which is a six year process. I believe, as I've said, there are very positive elements in the paper. What is missing, at this time, is a collective sense, strategically, of what we should all be doing to arrive at some sort of satisfactory solution for all of us in the near future.

One of the dangers, of course, is the federal government could be open to entertain any and all proposals, only to suggest that the status quo should be maintained at the end, since we're unable to come to any sensible agreement on what we want collectively in the western territory.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. I can always depend on the Minister to give me a complete, comprehensive and exhaustive response to a question which asks him about the status. My question asked him about the status, and his answer was that this is a discussion paper. My question is, since the people from the Inuvik region have met with the western Members and have said to the western Members, "We know what we want. You've gone ahead devolving powers to communities.

Let us go ahead with this regional government because we know what it is we want." My question to the Minister is -- although he was part of that group of western MLAs -- have the same people approached the Minister as a Member of our Cabinet responsible for aboriginal affairs and constitutional development, to get on with it because the people know what they want?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I haven't discussed with the Minister any suggested processes as of this date. The agreement was -- and both the Inuvialuit and Gwich'in agreed -- that, at this time, the process set up by the Constitutional Development Steering Committee will be followed. In December, we'll be meeting and we will discuss a work plan and a budget, as well as hear from this regional group how they would like to advance their proposal.

It was a long-winded response to the earlier question simply because of the word "status" in the region itself. The paper they have has good status. It's supported by the region, by the leaders and it's being pushed. It's been blessed by every citizen in that particular region. The Members of the Legislative Assembly have given it some positive status by receiving it. The government has said it has some good, positive elements. It's a natural part of the process that was set up, but it has no status with the federal government at this time. That is the reason for my attempt at rationalizing why I gave such a long response earlier. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I'm not objecting to long, exhaustive responses, as long as they advance their case. I appreciate what the Minister has told me. However, the answer I was just given was an answer to another question which I didn't ask. My question to the Minister is, has that group requested the Minister -- since government goes on, life goes on -- outside of the work of constitutional development, to get on with this, to do something about it? It's no different than developing government at the community level. People know what they want. They want this regional government. Have they asked him, as a Cabinet Minister, to get on with it, to do something, because people know what they want.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, those suggestions have been made, although not on paper. I know some suggestions have been made that the Members of Parliament, Jack Anawak and Ethel Blondin-Andrew, because the two groups are within their constituencies, may be called on -- if they haven't already been -- to consider advising it directly to the Minister. It's been suggested to me they might consider doing that. In the absence of any collective strategy, any time given to thinking out strategically how that may impede or impair the chances for achieving the many things we want, I haven't been prepared to respond positively. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Since this group is an aggressive group -- and in my opinion have jumped the gun, but all good will to them -- people want to get on with something. I'd like to ask the Minister, has he any information about any other organizations or redefinitions of districts or regions that would like to do something similar to what's being proposed by the people from Inuvik?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it has been understood by everyone who has been involved in this process that all the Dene/Metis co