Debates of Feb. 25th, 2013

This is page numbers 2093 – 2142 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Point Of Order

Highway Tragedy

Supported Housing For Seniors

Sahtu Oil And Gas Development Update

Highway Emergency Response Services

Need For Nurse In Wrigley

Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal Hay River Recipients

Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

Development Of Arts And Culture Industry

2013 Hay River Chamber Of Commerce Gala

Housing Arrears In Fort Providence

Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking) Environmental Concerns

NWT Senior Cager Basketball Tournament

Gasoline Prices In The Northwest Territories

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Displaying NWT Artist Products In Public Buildings

Infrastructure For Addictions Treatment Program

Need For Nurse In Wrigley

Addressing Rental Arrears In Fort Providence

Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

Medical Travel Protocol For Highway Emergencies

Midwifery Services

Insurance Coverage For Bariatric Surgery

Community Preparedness For Highway Emergencies

Residence For Expecting Mothers In Yellowknife

Written Question 15-17(4): Housing For Adults With Disabilities

Tabled Document 27-17(4): Photo Of Gas Prices In Yellowknife

Tabled Document 28-17(4): Society Of Obstetricians And Gynaecologists Of Canada Policy Statement On Returning Birth To Aboriginal, Rural And Remote Communities Tabled Document 29-17(4): Society Of Obstetricians And Gynaecologists Of Canada Report On Best Practices For Returning Birth To Rural And Re

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Establishment Of Midwifery Services In Hay River

Reprofiling Midwifery Coordination Funds In Community Programs

Chronic Disease Prevention And Promotion

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Mr. Hawkins .

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Point Of Order

Prayer

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of order. I’ve waited until today to raise the point of order because I wanted to review the previous day’s Hansard. During an exchange with the Premier regarding the courthouse, I made note that on Friday, February 22, 2013, on page 26 of the Hansard, Premier McLeod makes the following statement: “We did, as the government put it, have that project, called the NWT Law Courts Project, and we put $40 million in the capital budget in 2005-2006. Committee took it out of the budget.” There lays the point of order issue.

So I draw all Members’ attention to Rule 2(

g) of the Rules of the Legislative Assembly which states, “’Point of Order’ means any departure from any written or unwritten rule or custom of this Assembly or of Parliamentary tradition.” It is, in this instance, the House is governed by its own precedence and long-standing parliamentary traditions and convection.

To confirm this, I have searched high and low and combed committee reports, and I have not found any formal position taken on it, so I draw the attention of the House that that was a breach of committee confidentiality. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . I will allow a little bit of debate on the point of order. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Point Of Order

Prayer

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to just make the point that if the Member says that he couldn’t find any reference to it high or low and then he says it’s a breach of committee confidentiality, if in fact there’s no evidence or reference to it, how can it be a breach of committee confidentiality? I think the Member is really reaching here on a fairly specious matter. So I would just put that on the record for your consideration as you look at this particular matter. Thank you.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . To the point of order. Honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that the $40 million was put on the capital budget as a marker. It had considerable opposition. It was my understanding that that’s what happened. So we’ll search as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Hawkins .

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Point Of Order

Prayer

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There was no formal direction on this particular initiative and I have comments that say as such. That only causes me to conclude two things: the discussion of the courthouse future and its followance, missing or absence on any future capital plan, had to have been done in camera; second, with the lack of any formal correspondence, it’s only reasonable to assume the deletion of the courthouse from its capital plan must have formally been done either in Cabinet, which does not include Members. Accordingly, I will speak to the appropriate order, as such, with this sort of supporting documentation.

In terms of precedence, I would like to draw and highlight page 891, dated October 21, 2004, where Speaker Delorey says, on an identical breach – oddly enough by Michael McLeod who was Minister then – says, “I am guided by a ruling by Speaker Whitford on February 14, 2001, in which he rules: “It is an infringement of our rules and contrary to parliamentary practice for Members to refer to committee proceedings that have not been reported to this House. Specifically, I want to caution Members about making reference to what may or may not have been said or who may or may not have been in attendance in any proceedings or events outside of this House.”

Speaker Delorey goes on by saying, “I am also guided by page 885 of Marleau and Montpetit House of Commons Procedures and Practices: ‘It is not in order for Members to allude to committee proceedings or evidence in the House until the committee has presented its report to the House. This restriction applies to both references made by Members in debate or during oral question period.’”

What becomes further relevant here is Speaker Delorey rules that Minister Michael McLeod can quote himself as in any case they can speak to their

decision as a department lead or the department’s position on the particular case, but they cannot quote things that have happened in camera, or a discussion of those meetings.

Speaker Delorey reminds the House that a Minister can quote public documents, again, that have been tabled before the House.

As I cited in my earlier comments, in my research over the weekend I found no comment in Hansard or reports that have been laid before the House, and I’ve studied all relevant information over the 15th and 16th Assemblies, Mr. Speaker. Therefore,

there seems to be an absence of any direction, or the House’s direction, either by the Minister of Justice or by the appropriate Minister.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, the point I’m getting to, is that nothing can be found, so where did this information, “committee took it out of the budget,” come from? It can only be found because the Premier has made a statement and I’m not sure from where.

That’s the crux of the issue. Concluding that this discussion Premier McLeod is referencing is from an unknown in-camera discussion perhaps, it can only be considered maybe from the Cabinet table.

In closing, it’s critical to note that this matter can only be dealt with by way of point of order. Breaches of committee confidentiality are a breach of privilege, Mr. Speaker. I’m sure you are well aware of the rules.

Again, referring to Marleau-Montpetit, my last point here on page 838 of the House of Commons Procedures and Practices, “Divulging any part of our proceedings, an in-camera committee meeting has been ruled by the Speaker to constitute a prima facie matter of privilege.” So Members are often blamed for the release of the findings, or findings of confidential information to the public. My point is such that clearly there’s been one done here. Even Cabinet can be capable at times as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . To the point of order. I will take it under advisement, Mr. Hawkins and Mr. Premier , and I will bring it back to the House at a later day. Thank you.

Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister's Statement 24-17(4): Highway Tragedy

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, last week we learned of the tragic loss of two truck drivers and serious injuries to a third person as a result of a collision between two commercial vehicles. Our thoughts and prayers are extended to the families and friends of those who perished and to the

survivor who is now recovering from the injuries sustained in the collision. This is a tragedy that has had a devastating effect on the families and loved ones involved. Our condolences go out to those affected by this terrible event.

I want to acknowledge the efforts of those who were first on the scene and rescued the survivor, the RCMP officers who are managing a very challenging scene and investigation, the highway staff and highway transport officers who provided support, and the medical personnel from Fort Providence and Yellowknife. These professionals kept the site safe and secure through difficult conditions and long hours.

I also wanted to thank the stranded motorists and truck drivers for their patience while everyone worked to make the crash site safe and passable. Your patience and understanding are greatly appreciated.

Now that the crash site has been cleared and the highway re-opened, it is time to begin the healing process. Mr. Speaker, we need to let all the truck drivers know that their work is appreciated and valued. We can’t take the work that these men and women do for granted. Their work is not recognized enough, in part because the transportation system works so well. It isn’t until a disruption in delivery service or a rare tragedy like this happens that we stop and think about the importance of their work. Let this tragedy remind us all of the value of their services.

These skilled men and women drive long distances through challenging conditions to ensure we have fresh produce on our tables and fuel to heat our homes. Their work is essential to our daily lives.

This tragedy should also remind us that we all have a role to play to reduce the risk of collisions, injuries and fatalities on our highways, streets and trails. Check road conditions before you leave, and always give driving your full attention. Use appropriate safety equipment and prepare for the unexpected. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 24-17(4): Highway Tragedy

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Seniors , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 25-17(4): Supported Housing For Seniors

Ministers’ Statements

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to provide an update on plans for supported housing for seniors. One of the priorities of the NWT Housing Corporation’s strategic plan, Building for the Future, was to develop infrastructure based on community needs including approaches to support housing for seniors and aging in place.

Seniors are the fastest growing segment of the territorial population. Currently, there are about 600 seniors that reside in public housing and the NWT

Housing Corporation has units targeted for the senior population in many communities. Providing the opportunity for seniors to live independently in their home communities is an important part of the housing continuum and for the continuum of care for seniors.

We are all aware of the importance of seniors being able to stay in their own communities for as long as possible. Long-term care is necessary for seniors that need more additional support, but many seniors are able to keep living independently with a little help. We also know that it takes a lot of resources and effort to maintain their own house for some seniors, and supported living facilities provide a good option for these residents.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce today that the NWT Housing Corporation is planning to add four seniors facilities in the communities of Fort McPherson, Fort Good Hope, Fort Liard and Whatì.

We will begin planning with these communities, to better understand their needs and to help determine an appropriate location and the types of services that would be available in these facilities. We expect that each facility will contain eight independent housing units, space for the delivery of home care and other services for seniors, and a place for residents and other seniors in the community to gather and to undertake additional programming. There will be caretakers units and security in these facilities.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Health and Social Services and I are working closely on this initiative as the services and programming that will be provided through these facilities are as important as the units themselves. We expect to have the planning and design for these facilities completed during the upcoming fiscal year and to start construction in the summer of 2014.

Mr. Speaker, I also wanted to take this opportunity to update Members on the Joe Greenland Centre in Aklavik. After an extensive review of this facility, we have determined that it will be more cost effective to replace the Joe Greenland Centre than to renovate. We will immediately start to work with Aklavik on planning for a new facility.

The vision of the 17th Legislative Assembly includes

strong individuals, families and communities. The steps that we are taking today will contribute to this vision and I look forward to working with all Members as we continue to work on our priorities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 25-17(4): Supported Housing For Seniors

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister's Statement 26-17(4): Sahtu Oil And Gas Development Update

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Mr. Speaker, oil and gas development has the potential to grow and diversify the Northwest Territories economy, a key priority of this government. Nowhere has this reality been more apparent than in the Sahtu region. Today I would like to give this Assembly an update on the activity in the Sahtu over the past few months and the plans for moving forward.

More than $600 million in work commitments has been pledged for the region over the next few years. As the busy winter work season draws to a close, early indications are that this has been a successful one for the local businesses and for the development companies.

Husky Oil, ConocoPhillips, MGM Energy and Explor Data all performed work in the Sahtu this season. Feedback from all companies has been extremely positive and they have all indicated they are moving forward with their plans for the region. Although there have been challenges, we are pleased to see that they were all addressed in a positive and timely manner to get things back on track. Shell Canada and Imperial Oil were not as active during this past work season but remain committed to development in the area.

This government wants to ensure development continues in a timely yet sustainable way, and that local residents and businesses benefit. By keeping the lines of communication open with resource companies, local residents, business leaders and Aboriginal organizations in the Sahtu, we will ensure development continues in a way that benefits all of our people.

Part of this engagement was the Sahtu Exploration Readiness Session held this past fall. This event was extremely well attended and attendees noted it was an effective platform to discuss our collective goals, objectives and priorities. We intend to continue this sort of initiative every year.

The entire NWT will benefit from the lessons learned as petroleum development progresses in other parts of the territory.

Mr. Speaker, one area of concern highlighted to us this work season is the stresses that oil and gas exploration can have on existing regional infrastructure. As activity continues and even increases, we can expect this stress will only continue to grow. This government will continue to look at ways to improve on and invest in our infrastructure.

Several GNWT departments are working together to address this. Industry, Tourism and Investment, together with the departments of Executive; Justice; Education, Culture and Employment; and Environment and Natural Resources are investing $1.2 million in various programs and initiatives to

that ensure environmental impacts are monitored, that businesses of the Sahtu region continue to benefit from this exploration growth, and that residents are well positioned to seize training and job opportunities.

By taking the time now to address concerns and maintain our consistent dialogue between industry, NWT residents and businesses, and Aboriginal organizations, we will ensure the petroleum resource sector continues to be part of our diversified economy that provides all communities and regions with opportunities and choices. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 26-17(4): Sahtu Oil And Gas Development Update

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Highway Emergency Response Services

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The devastating deadly crash last week just north of Fort Providence has, clearly, troubled many residents of the Northwest Territories. Such accidents, although rare, open the debate about how our government emergency systems work in remote parts of our highway network. One only has to stop and ask, what if that was my wife or kids or neighbour. Even the Minister of Transportation indicated today we all have a role to play. Does our government have the proper rescue and medical support framework to act accordingly? I believe the answer to this question is maybe.

In essence, your chance of survival clearly depends on what location you would be in the event of a severe auto accident. Should this accident happen between Yellowknife and Rae, the Yellowknife Fire Department is under jurisdiction to respond, yet beyond Rae you’re on your own. Although we pray for all families involved, the accident last week clearly proved that our systems of emergency response, patient mobilization, dispatch, medical support and medical transport are in dire need of an overhaul or, at best, a plan.

I say this as non-government and non-industry information has been given to me that clearly begs to ask some serious questions as to emergency response systems and protocol. For example, why did medical travel request a medevac helicopter staffed with two skilled Yellowknife Fire Department EMTs, auto extrication NFPA-1001 certified firemen only to be told to stand down when the chopper was ready to lift off. How did this non-aviation extraction delay the care of the victim, keeping in mind that a round trip to the crash site and back to Stanton Hospital would have been approximately two hours? How is a ground transport to Fort

Providence and eventually medevacced to Stanton Hospital two hours later more efficient than a direct helicopter medevac? Who is making these decisions?

We now know that a victim was transported from the crash site in a health centre van. Was this a professionally equipped van ambulance or just a passenger van? How was the patient secured? Does this van have any emergency medical transporting standards? What level of care was provided to the patient on his 84-kilometre drive to Fort Providence?

Unfortunately, deadly accidents all too often forces one to review the safety and security of our residents. Our Cabinet has been asked many times in this House about the highway emergency response capabilities and our medical support systems and procedures. Last week’s accident proves that our questioning was warranted. We need a plan, but first we need to ask the appropriate questions. I will have such questions for the first round for the Minister of Health later today.

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Highway Emergency Response Services

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Need For Nurse In Wrigley

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. It is one of our government’s priorities to bring health services as close as possible to the people who need them, but we still have communities without nurses. Wrigley is one of these communities. Three years ago I thought we were making progress towards restoring this critical service for the people there, then the Deh Cho Health and Social Services Authority decided not to go ahead. It seems to have forgotten about it ever since. Why our government has not insisted that nursing service in Wrigley is a priority I do not know. It is time to revisit that decision.

With new oil and gas exploration in the Sahtu region, Wrigley is experiencing more visitors, activity and traffic. It is the only community on the long winter road from the Sahtu to the Mackenzie Highway and it is about halfway between Tulita and Fort Simpson.

The decision to hire a nurse in Wrigley should not depend on the $500 million Pipeline Impact Fund, which was going to be tapped for that back in 2010. We are seeing the impacts of increased development now, but not a pipeline. In any case, the decision should be based on what is best for the health of our people.

I will remind the Minister that there is already a nursing station in Wrigley; a nurse is all that is lacking. People have felt this shortage for far too long. Diagnoses of some illnesses can take longer than it should. In the cases of some cancers, for

example, this can be a matter of life or death. This is a problem in Aboriginal communities across Canada, but I thought we were doing better than the rest.

I will have questions for the Minister at the appropriate time.

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Need For Nurse In Wrigley

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal Hay River Recipients

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This past Friday night I had the pleasure, with my colleague from Hay River North and Minister Ramsay , to present some Queen’s Jubilee celebration medals in Hay River. I’d just like to quickly note some of the folks who received that recognition, and also say that Hay River has many, many wonderful volunteers and wonderful citizens, and we did get a chance to recognize a few.

Pat Bobinski. For the last 40 years, community volunteer, sport builder in cross-country skiing, biathlon and snowshowing, who has been recognized by many as an inspirational coach and mentor to elite athletes in the NWT, including our own Olympian Brendan Green.

His Workship Mayor Andrew Cassidy, recently nominated for this prestigious award by the Federation of Canadian Municipalities. Mayor Cassidy is an accomplished community leader who makes exemplary efforts to make Hay River a great place, and he has a very strong interest in agriculture and healthy lifestyles as well.

Darm Crook – many of you will remember that name – started the union movement in the North as a steward in the early ‘70s and held a variety of progressively more senior regional and local union positions in the UNW, capping his career with a 12-year run as its president from 1985 to 1996. Under his leadership the GNWT greatly extended its reach, organizing workers in towns, hamlets, housing authorities, mines and hospitals across the NWT. Mr. Crook, when he received this award, made comment that it was great as union leader to get recognition at a Chamber of Commerce event.

Mr. Paul Delorey, well known to everyone here, served the people of the North with much distinction and dedication and commitment as a Member of the Legislative Assembly for Hay River North. Mr. Delorey was elected in 1999. During his term as MLA, he served seven years as Speaker of the Legislative Assembly. He retired from politics in 2011 and has an extensive history of volunteering in our community.

Brendan Green, biathlete who was born and raised in Hay River, NWT. He’s a product of Hay River’s

Ski Club Nordic Program and was introduced to the sport by his coach, Pat Bobinski. Brendan now ranks among some of the greatest athletes ever from the Northwest Territories.

Vicki Latour has made a significant contribution to Hay River and the North in general. She’s had a successful career in journalism spanning over 20 years, and owned and operated a local newspaper and publishing company, co-founder and 20-year co-president of the Hay River Museum Society.

Wilson Claude McBryan, better known as Buffalo Joe, as he’s affectionately known around the world, is a vital and key member of the North’s aviation family. In 1970 he founded Buffalo Airways.

Mr. Speaker, could I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, please?

---Unanimous consent granted

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Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal Hay River Recipients

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you so much. In 1970, Joe founded Buffalo Airways, a truly family business, and Joe is known for his vast collection of vintage airplanes and cars, and is the careful and dedicated custodian of an aviation era from World War II.

Ross Potter. Mr. Potter was honourably nominated by the NWT Fire Chiefs Association. Ross Potter is emergency services in Hay River. He’s been with the Hay River Fire Department for over 35 years and is now Hay River’s full-time fire chief.

Lastly, we recognize Jill Taylor, a supporter, mentor and advocate for youth at risk, helping each achieve their truest potential. For many years now she’s been the driving force behind the Hay River Interagency Group, a team of community representatives from many organizations dedicated to helping build a stronger and healthier community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Member for Range Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we continue to consider the budget for the Health department today, I want to talk about a health-related issue.

The NWT has a number of chronic diseases which plague our territory. One of them is diabetes. The rates of diabetes in NWT residents are markedly higher than in the rest of Canada. More than one in four residents in the NWT lives with either diabetes or prediabetes. Prediabetes is a condition which, if left unchecked, puts you at risk for developing type 2 diabetes. Statistics also indicate that, on the whole, NWT residents are overweight compared to the rest of Canada, and that statistic continues to increase.

Some of our residents recognize their overweight condition as obesity, and unsuccessfully struggle to overcome it. In Canada, about 2 percent of men and 4 percent of women are morbidly obese. Obesity-related death rates are at least on par with deaths related to smoking, and the World Health Organization links obesity to a doubled risk of premature death.

The only viable solution for some is bariatric surgery – gastric bypass, for instance – a procedure which is not an insured service for NWT residents. But we would be wise to reconsider that position. The drain on our health resources due to obesity and its associated health conditions is large. Diabetes is one such condition; hypertension, or high blood pressure, another; then there is cardiovascular disease, sleep apnea, liver disease, orthopedic problems and asthma.

In the NWT the rates of diabetes and heart disease are particularly troubling, but studies have shown that 83 percent of patients are cured of their diabetes after bariatric surgery. A similar percentage of patients, 80 percent or more, are cured of other health conditions, as well, after surgery – hypertension, sleep apnea, asthma, liver disease and cardiovascular disease – and there is an 89 percent reduction in the death rate for the morbidly obese.

It may cost our health system a bit more for surgery in the beginning than just treating the systems of obesity, but in the long run our costs are significantly reduced and the quality of life for the patient very much improved.

Elsewhere in Canada, all provinces cover at least lap band surgery; some cover both lap band and gastric bypass surgeries. We would do well to do the same.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent approved

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Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

The GNWT’s own description of NWT insured health services states, “The Minister may add, change or delete insured hospital services.” With that authority, the Minister and his department must consider including bariatric surgery as an insured service for NWT residents. It will mean gains for everyone involved.

I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Development Of Arts And Culture Industry

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Huge benefits accrue from investing in our artists and their industry. The 2011-12 economic review shows

the arts and crafts industry produced about $7 million. Three thousand NWT residents participated in producing some form of art or craft for sale, although most earned less than $1,000 a year on their sales.

Spending in the cultural sector multiplies enormously. For every million dollars of output, the arts sector generates 13 jobs, compared to only one job by the diamond mining industry. We have a good start, and since 2007 we have increased annual arts funding from about $900,000 to about $2 million. That’s good, but doing more will yield even greater benefits.

It’s a growing sector. In 2008 national consumer spending on cultural products increased by 49 percent. Canadians spent twice as much attending performances as on sporting events. Arts events don’t just sell tickets, they sell sales of meals, accommodation, recordings and artwork. Two-thirds of Canadians read. Let’s sell them a book.

Employing 100 people with full-time jobs, our film industry contributed $9 million to the economy and paid $5 million in wages in ’11-12. Film products are attracting attention from North America and the world, and are putting the NWT and our people on the map. The free tourism promotion is enormous, but relative to other jurisdictions like Yukon, Nunavut and the provinces, our industry support is still nickel and dime compared to what’s needed. The talent is demonstrated. Let’s learn from our neighbours and take the next steps with a significant film granting and local job support programs.

Social benefits are equally impressive. A recent study shows at-risk youth who take arts instruction succeed more in school, drop out less, go on to college, and volunteer and participate more in society. I attended the Yellowknife performance of the renowned Gryphon Trio on Saturday at NACC and was pleased to learn that wasn’t just a Yellowknife event. With NACC staff efforts and government support, audiences in Hay River, Inuvik, Fort Simpson and Norman Wells were also able to take in shows and enjoyed master’s workshops for aspiring musicians.

Increased support will swell the opportunities for fulfilling careers here at home. Performance, crafts and artwork, recording, publishing, news media. Add them up with the spinoffs in spending to other sectors and the social well-being created, the arts makes sense. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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2013 Hay River Chamber Of Commerce Gala

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As my colleague indicated, we had the honour of attending the 2013 Chamber of Commerce gala in Hay River on Friday night. Typically this is one of the big events of the year in Hay River, where the Citizen of the Year is named. This Citizen of the Year is Lilian Crook. Lilian Crook is a long-time Hay River resident. She’s a valuable asset to the community of Hay River. She does a great deal of volunteering in the community. She is the leader of the Hay River Persons with Disabilities and she’s the successful award winner of this year’s Citizen of the Year.

During this awards presentation they also recognized Customer Service Person of the Year and this year’s recipient is Steve Campbell. Steve can be seen at the Hay River town pool assisting all of the people that are there, a very enthusiastic young individual. The town should be proud of a staff member like that.

I’d like to at this time take an opportunity, on behalf of the chamber and my colleague Mrs. Groenewegen , to thank the Minister of ITI and Transportation , Mr. Ramsay , for attending the gala and coming down to Hay River for the event. I’d also like to send out congratulations to all the award winners of the Queen’s Jubilee. I’d like to thank the chamber themselves and the hardworking individuals who helped make this a successful event. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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2013 Hay River Chamber Of Commerce Gala

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Housing Arrears In Fort Providence

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Housing continues to be a major problem in my home community of Fort Providence. There are people who are in desperate need of housing. For example, I know a few people that live at the winter crossing. I also know of a few people that live with their parents or their family.

I hope all Members will think about that, especially the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation . It’s not acceptable to leave families out in the cold when there are alternatives and practical ways to help them. I think that last summer there were five empty houses, housing units in Fort Providence. I believe some are still vacant. They could be allocated to people who need them if some decisions were made to do it.

One of the major barriers is arrears to the Housing Corporation. People become ineligible for programs and assistance if they have previous arrears. I’m

not sure of the origin of these arrears, or if past arrears of former housing clients are being reduced in the corporation’s current re-evaluation of arrears. I know that that will help some current tenants, if the reduction of arrears could also be available to former tenants.

I don’t know where some families are going to find the money to clear their housing arrears. There are lots of jobs here in Yellowknife, but none in Fort Providence. With the opening of the Deh Cho Bridge, Fort Providence has lost jobs. There were 13 jobs on the ferry alone, plus some more on the ice crossing. It remains to be seen whether the Deh Cho Bridge will bring any new business and job opportunities.

What I see, Mr. Speaker, is hard times for people who lack health and housing, and few ways that they can escape that predicament entirely on their own. The only solution for now is better management of our housing programs and filling empty units. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking) Environmental Concerns

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is said water is life and life is water. Hydraulic fracking will be a big issue for the Northwest Territories now. During the review of the Department of Natural Resources’ budget, some of the Members of this side of the House shared some concerns about fracking because of the oil and gas development in the Sahtu, and that it’s putting pressure on the Government of the Northwest Territories, federal regulatory and Aboriginal organizations to make decisions about the use of this technology.

Fracking would make us wealthy, but at what cost? The process involves blasting thousands of gallons of water treated with chemicals deep underground to release the oil and gas resources. Flowback from the wells is very polluted and often pumped back underground. When we take the water and put it underground, it can never be used again. Are we putting our water quality at risk?

The sand used in fracking is in such high demand it creates its own industry. Entire hillsides are being excavated, landscapes changed in order to mine the sand for fracking wells. The sand is just one of the many loads that our ice roads will have to carry if we allow fracking in the Sahtu. This winter we have seen hundreds of truckloads of supplies on our winter roads, putting demand on our infrastructure like never before.

There are some concerns. Fracking is completely banned in some places and very controversial in other jurisdictions. We in the Sahtu need to know

the unknowns about fracking. Canada has invested a lot of education and publicity on the hydraulic fracking. Provinces such as BC and Alberta have regulatory systems that handle issues such as water use and drilling procedures. Their inspectors have substantial enforcement powers. We will need that in the Northwest Territories. For example, the National Energy Board’s recent action with Husky Oil in the Sahtu demonstrates that effective enforcement is possible in the Northwest Territories as well.

The environmental impact of hydraulic fracking is a global issue.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking) Environmental Concerns

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I encourage the Department of Environment and Natural Resources to begin to pay close attention to all developments in the areas of protection and environmental stewardship, and to study best practices in other jurisdictions. We need to make the best choice and find ways to mitigate the impacts of this technology on our land, water, people and animals. Life flows from our water.

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Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking) Environmental Concerns

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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NWT Senior Cager Basketball Tournament

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This past weekend I had an opportunity to become a fan of a tournament that I’d been part of growing up in Inuvik and participating in the NWT Senior Cager Basketball tournament. While I was watching the tournament, it was great to see all the kids having a good time and seeing the teamwork, the great camaraderie amongst teammates and the teams playing each other.

Just in regard to following up with last week’s Education Week and all the hard work that our educators do, what I noticed was sitting on the benches with the kids was a lot of teachers who were also coaches. Some of these coaches are also parents back home.

Today I just want to take the time to recognize and acknowledge all the hard work and dedicated staff that we have in the Department of Education that also provide a lot of time and services to community projects and developing students outside of the classroom in such sports as basketball, and all the effort that they put into making this past weekend a success, and giving these kids the opportunity to experience such a great basketball tournament.

Not only was it the coaches, but also the volunteers, parents, referees that spent a lot of time

all weekend, from early in the morning until late at night, to make sure these kids had a great time, had a safe and fun weekend, and also made a lot of new friends.

My experience with the tournament is when kids come in, it enhances them in so many different areas. It enhances new coaching techniques for the coaches and the teachers that do come and participate in the event. It allows the participants to make lifelong friends. It also helps these student athletes develop life skills through leadership, through strategic planning, through team play, through respect, and also building sportsmanship among one another. This is great. The tournament has been very amazing in that it allows to build these life skills in our youth.

In closing, it was a great event, very successful, and I just want to congratulate all the teams from the communities that came into Yellowknife, and thank Yellowknife for being a great host for such a great tournament.

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NWT Senior Cager Basketball Tournament

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Gasoline Prices In The Northwest Territories

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Inflation is at a three-year low. Why? Because of cheaper gas prices across Canada, everywhere but the Northwest Territories. The Canadian Consumer Price Index is saying that it is at its lowest since 2009 in January. Why? Because of gasoline prices, yet again everywhere but the NWT.

I visited the fuel pumps this week, like many Northerners, and we all continue to experience the high prices of gasoline here in the Northwest Territories. Since raising this issue almost four weeks ago, Northerners keep telling me that they feel like they’re at the mercy of the local market controlling the gas prices, which are truly not reflective of what should be considered fair market price. Northerners, like all Canadians, are willing to pay their fair share, but are Northerners being taken advantage of?

I’m not a fan of needless, useless, continuous government regulation, but we need, maybe, regulation in this particular case to ensure that Northerners are protected and are defended from price poaching.

Gas prices in Saskatchewan dropped almost nine cents. Almost 7.5 cents they were lower in Alberta and that led the country. They’re dropping everywhere but the Northwest Territories. How much longer do the people of the Northwest Territories have to be held victim or hostage to gas poaching?

In short, we need consumer protection that speaks for Northerners, that protects, Northerners because we cannot allow this any further. I again stress that regulation may be the answer and it’s important that the government steps to the plate, leads by example, and shows that they are interested in protecting Northerners. If they are not, who knows who is, because I can tell you that gas sellers are not.

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Gasoline Prices In The Northwest Territories

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Bouchard .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize two Pages from Hay River North: Nadia Wood and my niece, Sherisse Bouchard. Also in the gallery is my sister-in-law Leslie Bouchard, who is their guardian for the week.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . I’d like to welcome all visitors in the public gallery here today. Thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are directed to the Minister of ENR regarding the fracking technology that will possibly be used in the Sahtu. I want to ask the Minister regarding this technology what the Environment and Natural Resources baseline data information he’s using to measure the impacts and quality of land, air, water, animals. What type of information does he have to look at the types of impacts that fracking could cause in our region?

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Environment and Natural Resources

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government’s working collectively to assess the potential impacts of fracking. We’re working, and have involved the committee, to pull together guidelines and best practices. We intend to come forward in the next couple of months with what we think are guidelines for consideration as it pertains to fracking. We’re working, as well, to establish baseline information on groundwater, surface water, wildlife habitat issues working with, of course, the Environmental Research and Studies Fund that exists. It is funded partially by industry. We want to pull all this information together. This is

not going to be a short-term commitment, it’s going to be a longer-term commitment as we look at the potential in the central Mackenzie Valley.

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The oil companies are very encouraged with the Canol shale play in the Sahtu. I want to ask the Minister, within the next couple months, I believe even by next month, there might be possibly an application going in for horizontal fracking in the Sahtu. The Minister has talked about the long term. Is there anything in the short term between now and the application that has reached the regulatory boards? Is this information going to be sufficient for us to judge it on the merits of this procedure?

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Environment and Natural Resources

Every application, as far as I’m aware, has to do in their area some initial drilling to set a baseline so they know exactly what is going to be taking place in the ground beneath their feet. There are processes the application will have to go through and we will see what is contained in the detail of the application. It will go through the appropriation processes and the determinations will be made in due course.

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the process of the application for fracking does go through in the Sahtu possibly next month, possibly this summer, do we have enough protection for the people of the Northwest Territories, protection for the people in the Sahtu region that we could withstand the test of the application saying yes, we have the baseline information? Can the Minister assure me we have the baseline information on the animals, the water, the air, the things that need to be to ensure our lifestyle will remain intact, even if we go ahead with the fracking?

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Environment and Natural Resources

I can tell the Member that we’re hard at work putting all the pieces in place, doing the proper groundwork to make sure we have the procedures and practices that are necessary if horizontal hydraulic fracturing is going to be considered and contemplated, and to get ready for the use of that technology.

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Part of the application for the hydraulic horizontal fracking would be, of course, the application. Is our government going to wait to see what type of information the application is going to be calling for, or are we going to go ahead and say, well, we have to look at the baseline for the water, quality of the air, the animals? I’m trying to get a sense that we have a good stance in terms of responding to the application that when it does come through, it is coming through.

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Environment and Natural Resources

We have been hard at work on this now for well over a year, gathering information, doing our planning work.

We’ve had meetings with the National Energy Board. There is a clear recognition that we’re coming into a territory where there are some gaps in terms of groundwater, surface water and wildlife data that have to be made up. Each project will be looked at on its merit as we continue to do the broader required work in terms of gathering the baseline data.

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Question 132-17(4): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 133-17(4): Displaying NWT Artist Products In Public Buildings

Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are in follow-up to my Member’s statement earlier today and are addressed to the Minister of Public Works and Services . In May I raised the idea of providing space in GNWT buildings for the display of artist products supported with government policy. The Minister said he thought this was a great idea and that he would work with his colleagues and have conversations with some of the local artist organizations to gather their input. Could the Minister inform us of his progress on that work?

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Question 133-17(4): Displaying NWT Artist Products In Public Buildings

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Glen Abernethy .

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Question 133-17(4): Displaying NWT Artist Products In Public Buildings

Oral Questions

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Public Works and Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I still think it’s a good idea, and to that end we’ve actually formed a working committee or working group that consists of Education, Culture and Employment; Industry, Tourism and Investment; Transportation; as well as Public Works and Services. We’ve had a number of meetings. We had some meetings prior to Christmas, where we actually had some input from art organizations in the Northwest Territories. The most recent meeting, trying to put together a plan – and Public Works and Services is taking the lead on the development of a program or policy – was just last week or the week before, February 12th . I don’t

have the information from that last meeting but what I’ll do is I’ll get a recent or current update and provide that information to the Member and committee.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Just to remind the Minister, he didn’t say good idea, he said great idea. I just want to keep things going there.

As we know, a brand new GNWT office building is going up right here in Yellowknife. One of the things taken into account in the design of the building is, or should be, the design of viewing spaces. This is established practice in Europe, integrating culture into public life. The new office building presents an ideal opportunity to develop and implement the

policy while ensuring a start on rolling this practice out across our facilities.

Will the Minister commit to pursue and complete this policy soon, identifying the physical space requirements, beginning the arrangement with producers that need to be put in place and making this happen at our new building?

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Public Works and Services

We plan to have this policy done long before the building is open. Interestingly enough, it is a great idea. I will stick to great.

In talking to some of the arts communities, different ideas were brought forward. One of the ideas that was brought forward was, rather than having dedicated space for a hanging or painting, it may be better to bring in screens that have rotating art on them so that we can see carvings, paintings, many different art forms on a rotational basis. That means we’ll get a greater degree of artists being presented on a regular basis. We can do things like this in airports, in other areas where we have screens available.

We’re just trying to work out some of the details that will actually create the greatest amount of awareness and the largest number of artists that we can support. If we stuck with just a painting on a wall that just rotated every once in a while, the number of artists who would get exposure would be far less.

So we’re very excited by some of the ideas being brought forward. As I indicated before, as we move forward, I will certainly bring that information to the Member and committee. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Minister. The Minister had some great ideas there. It shows the value of consulting with the artist, which I very much appreciate.

Concerns were also expressed that such an arrangement would create competition with art retailers, and I supported checking with businesses to see if they had a problem with this art display opportunity. Clearly, the government would not be selling the art.

In his early effort to develop the policy, has the Minister consulted with our business organizations to solicit their feedback and learn whether this would be a good promotion or a problem for them? Mahsi.

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Public Works and Services

I will get back to the Member on that. Thank you.

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Question 133-17(4): Displaying NWT Artist Products In Public Buildings

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 134-17(4): Infrastructure For Addictions Treatment Program

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had some questions that I wanted to address in terms of one of our priorities in the 17th Legislative Assembly,

and that deals with investing in prevention and education and also enhancing our addiction treatment programs. Really, we only have one treatment program in the Northwest Territories and that’s on the K’atlodeeche First Nation Reserve. I wanted to talk to the Minister in terms of what he is doing, just get an update of where we are in enhancing those treatment programs, and also looking at existing infrastructure in the Northwest Territories that will be able to provide such services and programs for those in need.

Can I ask the Minister of Health and Social Services , has he identified, to date, any existing infrastructure in the Northwest Territories that would be suitable to operate as an addictions treatment centre that would provide the adequate and appropriate programs and service for those that are suffering from addictions? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 134-17(4): Infrastructure For Addictions Treatment Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are waiting on recommendations from the Ministers’ Forum on Addictions and Community Wellness. We do suspect that one of their recommendations may be to place an additional treatment facility somewhere. Once we get their recommendations, if that is one of the recommendations, we will weigh those against the current treatment centre we have in place and then move forward from there.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

I’m glad the Minister has mentioned that he’s waiting for recommendations from the Ministers’ Forum. With that said, would the recommendations from the Mental Health Addictions Plan, the recommendations from the Beaufort-Delta meeting Building on our Foundation, Regional Dialogues, 2010-2011, the budget dialogues from this year, would those recommendations not say the same thing, and why are we waiting when I’ve got one, two, three, four, five, six reports here that say the same thing? I’m just trying to prove a point here that we need to start creating action rather than continue to consult and make these reports to tell us what we already know.

I would ask the Minister of Health and Social Services if he hasn’t found any existing infrastructure to date – we have a lot of great NGOs in the Northwest Territories that are doing a lot of great work in these services but they need the program and service dollars – would he commit to looking at these NGOs, partnering with them,

providing them with the dollars they need, whose main mandate is to provide programs and services for addictions treatment? Would he commit to working with these NGOs and help them and support them so they can support ones that are in need? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I recognize that we do have several reports. What I also recognize is, up until 16 months ago when I became Minister of Health and Social Services , there seemed to be a lot of issues surrounding a lack of treatment to the individuals suffering from addictions. So this forum was struck so we could go out and hear from the people firsthand. I’m not sure that those reports had full across-the-board community consultation like we’re doing with the Ministers’ Forum.

We do try to fit what we have into the system, but so far we are hearing some preliminary things from the forum that we haven’t thought of that aren’t in those reports. So once we get that information back, then yes, we will work in other reports, as well, to see how they line up with what the Ministers’ Forum tells us and we will move forward from there. We are almost there. We are now just entering into March and the plan is to have the report back from the forum at the end of March. Thank you.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

I did make reference to reports, but I didn’t ask the question specifically on the reports. I asked the question: Is the Minister willing to work with these NGOs that are providing good services and programs on a very stretched dollar? Would he be willing to work with them, provide funding dollars so they can provide more adequate and appropriate services for those people that are in need in the regional centres, here in Yellowknife, and doing the work in the NWT? Would he commit to working with the NGOs… Not work with them, support them financially so they can provide the services.

I’m not asking him to work with them, but provide them with the appropriate resources so they can deliver these programs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

If additional financial resources are going to be issued to NGOs that are not currently in the budget, we would have to go back through the business planning process. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to ask one quick question here. The Minister said that he was waiting to hear back from the forum. I just want to know if the Minister is familiar with the Health and Social Services Regional Dialogue, 2010-2011. Can he just answer yes or no? Does he see the recommendations and directions that came from all the regional communities in the Northwest Territories, because he says he’s waiting to hear those recommendations. Is he familiar with any of these dialogues, yes or no? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 135-17(4): Need For Nurse In Wrigley

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just want to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services a question regarding nursing in Wrigley. I know when he was a Regular MLA, he certainly supported my cause in putting a nurse in Wrigley during the 16th Assembly and that was

much appreciated. Now that there’s increased demand for it, will the Minister of Health and Social Services commit to re-examining and reopening the nursing station in Wrigley? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will commit to re-examining the possibility of having nursing services in Wrigley. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I guess it involves working with the Deh Cho Health and Social Services Authority. Just moving forward to the next step towards that commitment, I would like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services to examine it and can he commit to research it to see what kind of resources we need to establish nursing services in Wrigley.

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

I will commit to researching, working with the Deh Cho Health and Social Services, to see exactly what type of medical services are needed in Wrigley, specifically nursing services, and get back to the Member on what is needed.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, the last time I went down this road, our government gave all kinds of reasons not to establish nursing services in Wrigley. I think here I was using the point that there is extra development and extra impact on the community of Wrigley because of the development in the Sahtu. That alone makes the case that we should examine the need for nursing in Wrigley. Can he also include the impacts of development on Wrigley in his assessment? Thank you.

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, yes, we will look at the impacts of exploration that’s happening in the Sahtu on Wrigley when we examine the need for nursing in Wrigley. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I am also well aware that our budget is very limited and stressed, as the Minister of Finance is quick to point out to Members on this side. Also, I think this strategy of introducing

nursing in Wrigley involves working with our federal counterparts.

Will the Minister also work with our federal counterparts to see if impact funding is needed for this development? That way, I think we can work towards getting nursing in Wrigley. Thank you.

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, each time there’s an opportunity for the federal government to participate in any of our medical health services, we always take the opportunity to try to work with them. Yes, I can discuss this with our federal counterparts. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 136-17(4): Addressing Rental Arrears In Fort Providence

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are to the Minister of the Housing Corporation . Just over the course of a few years, there has been a trend of people moving to the winter crossing. These are people that have gone through the housing programs, and most of the time they have been evicted or else they have arrears with the Housing Corporation. There have been noticeably several houses that have been sitting empty in Fort Providence that the Housing Corporation owns. How much longer will those empty houses sit there idle and empty? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. McLeod.

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have a few empty houses in Fort Providence. There are a number of reasons people are evicted. Arrears is one of them. There could have been noise and disturbance, and a number of other issues that they are evicted from public housing. Usually there is opportunity there for them, if they enter into some kind of agreement, to try and get back on to the public housing waiting list and hopefully back into public housing.

Our goal as NWT Housing Corporation is to house people, not to evict them. But at the same time, as a partnership, they have to work with us. Many times we have exhausted all other options and eviction is the last resort. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I’d like to thank the Minister for outlining at least the process of trying to exhaust all options. The focus of my questioning is not so much the eviction practice but to try and highlight just the issue of arrears. Most of the time people are facing obstacles in small communities as it is, so it becomes an obstacle.

Will the NWT Housing Corporation remove the barriers of these obstacles standing between

homeless families and empty houses in Fort Providence? Mahsi.

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Mr. Speaker, the NWT Housing Corporation will do our

part in trying to get people into units. At the same time, the clients themselves have to remove some of their own obstacles. In many cases all we ask is that they enter into some kind of an agreement with the LHO, and not only enter into it just to get back on the waiting list, but we would like them to honour it. We’ve seen situations in the past in a number of our communities, where a lot of clients that have been evicted have entered into a repayment plan or some kind of option with the LHO and they have honoured it. We’ve seen some success stories in that. A lot of times it is just a partnership that has to be worked out between the client and the local LHO.

I repeat again, Housing is not in the business of evicting people. We are in the business of housing them, but they have to work with us also. Thank you.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, will the arrears be adjusted for previous public housing tenants as they will be for current tenants, so they have at least a starting chance to restore their credit ratings and eligibility for housing programs? Mahsi.

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Mr. Speaker, no, we will not adjust their arrears. There have been opportunities in the past through a number of different programs where the arrears have been adjusted, the latest one being when it was transferred. The role of the assessment was transferred back to the Housing Corporation or the LHOs from ECE. A lot of adjustments were made at the time and there was a significant decrease in arrears.

Again, a lot of times it’s a matter of the client coming in, verifying their income, because if you don’t verify your income, you are automatically assessed at market rate and that tends to have their arrears build up. But there is always opportunity for adjustment. Again, verification of income is the biggest one. If they feel that they have been charged too much, then they can verify their income and adjustments will be made. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Aside from evictions and looking at a repayment plan, at least there are options for clients or previous clients, what level of assurance can the Minister provide in terms of looking at some immediate options in terms of addressing people with arrears that want to get into the housing system? Mahsi.

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Inuvik Twin Lakes

Robert C. McLeod

Minister Responsible for NWT Housing Corporation

Mr. Speaker, the first thing that could happen is the tenants themselves

could make a point of going into the LHOs and working out some kind of plan with the local housing authority, and then they can honour the plan. I believe that once they do that and they show good faith, I think good faith will be shown on the LHO’s part.

As I said before, it is a partnership. We will work with them, but they have to be willing to work with us also. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The realignment of the Tlicho winter road was Premier -directed, not a Cabinet initiative or brought forward by the Members-at-large as Caucus. It has been my understanding that there has been some type of formal instructions with Fortune Minerals about creating a year-round road out all the way to the community of Whati and even to Gameti.

I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation , if this is the case, what is actually happening out there that Regular Members have not been informed of. Thank you.

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We continue discussions with the Tlicho Government on the winter road realignment and trying to identify monies going forward to allow us to carry out that work. As far as the road the Member talks about to Fortune Minerals, nothing has been decided in that case. Thank you.

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, as many of us know, this is approximately a 120-kilometre road which could run anywhere about a $2 million project. In speaking to some people who work for Fortune, they’ve coined it as a deal has been struck to work on a framework to do this road and that they’re planning for investment.

I’m trying to find out what has been struck in the form of a deal with Fortune Minerals in order to either build a road, lease back a road, or create a road. What is happening on this issue? Thank you.

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, in my role as Minister of ITI I do meet frequently with industry representatives. I have met with Fortune Minerals a number of times in the past. Certainly, a road to the project is really fundamental to the project going ahead.

We haven’t signed any agreements. We haven’t entered into any negotiations on a road. None of this has happened. It’s all, I guess, just guesswork

on the Member’s part. When that does happen, you can rest assured Members of this House, the Member and his committee will know about it. Thank you.

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, the Minister can say it’s guesswork on my part, but it was a Fortune Minerals person who told me they were in discussion with the Department of Transportation on this. So if he would like to change departments on the discussion, that’s up to the Minister. In this case, it happens to be the same person which obviously can mean it is.

Maybe for the record officially in this House, what work is being done on that road to the communities of Whati and Gameti and, specifically, how much has been the investment on that work to those communities, because I’m not aware of anything specifically asked for in any budget. I just want to make sure that’s clear in the House today.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you very much. I’ll get that information for the Member. Thank you.

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue I’m raising here is not that I’m not in favour of the road. The fact is, is it seems like we’re in the dark. So I guess my next question is the issue of what threshold of work agreement, compliance or negotiation is needed in order to bring Members into the fold of the discussion. It seems as if there’s some type of discussion and work going on behind the scenes, but Members, in the context of transparency, are in a position where we don’t know anything, but yet industry is coming to tell us work is being done. Thank you.

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you. The Member would know the Government of the Northwest Territories is not in a financial position to spend $150 million on a road to Fortune Minerals. That’s not something that we have the financial wherewithal to accomplish. I’m not sure who the Member is speaking to at Fortune, but I will talk to the folks at Fortune Minerals, and the next time they are in Yellowknife, I will set up a meeting through the Member and have Fortune Minerals sit down with the Member and his committee, and I’d certainly make myself available to attend the same meeting so that we’re all on the same page. Thank you.

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Question 137-17(4): Fortune Minerals And Tlicho Winter Road Alignment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . I want to follow up on my

statement. I mentioned a number of statistics in my statement and I want to provide a few more.

Diabetes prevalence rates among Aboriginal populations are at least three times higher than the general population. Aboriginal populations face higher risks for prediabetes and obesity, and Aboriginal women are particularly vulnerable to diabetes. They have four times the rate of non-Aboriginal women. They also have a higher risk for gestational diabetes.

I spoke to the cost of diabetes to our system, to our health system, to our government, and in the NWT those costs are fully borne by the government. Diabetes treatment is fully covered as an insured service. So I would like to say to the Minister that we are managing this problem and this is an opportunity to solve the problem. I’d ask the Minister to explain to me and to the House the rationale for the exclusion of bariatric surgery in the list of ensured services for the NWT. Thank you.

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Health and Social Services recognizes, and also in discussion with many people recognize that bariatric surgery and other issues or other medical services that could address obesity are something that we are looking at adding to our insured services. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I’m glad to hear that this is something that may be on the horizon. The Minister mentioned he’s in discussion and that the department, I gather, is looking into this. I’d like to know from the Minister what kind of discussions are these, are these taking us forward to action and when might that action be. Thank you.

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. As Minister I have the authority to add, delete or amend insured services. In May 2012 we had put a committee together with the NWT Medical Association, and now we’re in the process of developing the terms of reference for that so that we can look at making those changes to the medical services through looking at the regulations of the act. Thank you.

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I didn’t mean a committee that was established almost a year ago. I hope he meant terms of reference for including bariatric surgery under our insured services.

Since we don’t currently provide insurance coverage for bariatric surgery, I’d like to know from the Minister if an individual in the NWT chooses to improve themselves, chooses to go and get the surgery done on their own and pay for it on their own, why do we not then assist them with any follow-up procedures, follow-up consultations that are required because there is very often, following

the surgery, several visitations to doctors that are necessary and we refuse to do that. So why do we do that? Thank you.

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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Tom Beaulieu

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That committee will be looking at bariatric surgery. Why currently the physicians are refusing to assist individuals that have bariatric surgery, I don’t know, but it’s on the agenda for that committee to look at, at specifically the whole area of bariatric surgery, the whole area of obesity and how it impacts and how it has a direct correlation on chronic disease such as diabetes. Thank you.

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. I don’t know if the Minister understood my question. I’m not asking him at this point to cover the cost of the surgery, but following surgery there are very often follow-up consultations and follow-up procedures that are required and the Minister says physicians are refusing that. If the Minister gives direction for the system to cover the costs of follow-up, if people are trying to improve themselves, I don’t understand why we would not assist them in doing that. Thank you.

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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Tom Beaulieu

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Thank you. Yes, I did misunderstand the question. I thought she was telling me that the physicians were refusing and I said I didn’t know why that was happening. But again, we are looking at that. We think that is one of the emerging issues in the whole issue of chronic disease management, and we recognize that this is an issue and we’re hoping that once the committee is able to discuss this, that changes can be made in the system and it can become part of the insured services. Thank you.

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Question 138-17(4): Diabetes, Obesity And Bariatric Surgery

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 139-17(4): Medical Travel Protocol For Highway Emergencies

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise as a follow-up to my Member’s statement earlier today, which put into light last week’s devastating deadly highway crash near Fort Providence. However, before I proceed, I wish to once again indicate our prayers to all families involved.

I realize there is still an RCMP investigation involved with this. However, my questions today do not deal with this accident, but more importantly deal with the level of first responder care, patient immobilization, dispatch, medical support and transport.

Of course, I realize that there are really three Ministers involved with such questioning: the Minister of Transportation , the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs and the Minister of Health

and Social Services. Therefore, today I will begin my questions with the Minister of Health and Social Services .

Can the Minister of Health and Social Services describe the role of medical travel in the event of a highway or road accident that requires immediate triage, patient immobilization and medical support? Thank you.

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Question 139-17(4): Medical Travel Protocol For Highway Emergencies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 139-17(4): Medical Travel Protocol For Highway Emergencies

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Tom Beaulieu

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t have the information here that specifically provides the role of the whole medical travel area, the medevac area. What I know about that so far is that the medical travel, essentially, is taking people from the communities into a medical point where they need to go to get a service and that could be done through a medevac or it could be done through regular medical travel. But I don’t have any information indicating that we have to go away from the outside of the range of where there might be some ground ambulance service and how we go and get those people. I don’t have that information with me. Thank you.

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Question 139-17(4): Medical Travel Protocol For Highway Emergencies

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I appreciate the Minister’s response. Can the Minister indicate what protocol or what algorithm of care is used by medical travel to make decisions of highway air ambulance patient extraction, and is this protocol communicated with all levels of NWT first responders such as RCMP and fire departments across the Northwest Territories?

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Question 139-17(4): Medical Travel Protocol For Highway Emergencies

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Tom Beaulieu

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Again, if there’s an accident and someone is in an accident that is on a highway that is out of one of the communities and it’s not something covered by medical travel or medevac services, as for the information I have, I’m not familiar with what the protocol is for getting people on the highways for such an accident as this. The first responders recognize that we’re trying to put regulations in to add emergency medical services in the medical professional umbrella legislation so that we can have that, so that we can have ambulance services where people would be qualified and insurable to be able to do that kind of work on the highway.

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Question 139-17(4): Medical Travel Protocol For Highway Emergencies

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Can the Minister of Health and Social Services also indicate what criteria are used by medical travel when making a decision to abort a mission for highway air ambulance patient extraction?

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