Debates of Feb. 23rd, 1995

This is page numbers 261 - 280 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was social .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Holding A Spring Election

The Need For An NWT Police Act

Development Of A Policy On Sustainable Development

Gasoline Subsidies For Hunters And Trappers

Innovative Approaches To Community Policing

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Appointments To Awg International Committee

Percentage Of $1 Million Power Cost Carried By Other Communities

Inclusion Of Environmental Analyst In 1995-96 Budget

Value-added Jobs In Diamond Mining Industry

Development Of NWT Police Act

Decrease In Aboriginal Employment

Procedures For Implementing Cabinet Decisions

Structure Of New Rent Scale Effective April 1, 1995

Completion Of Maca Reorganization

Departmental Involvement At Regional Level In Environmental Review

Economic Policies Re Organizations And Businesses

Amalgamation Of Health And Social Services Departments

Status Of Medical Services In Keewatin

Written Question 9-12(7): Accountability Of Cabinet Ministers When Negotiating Contracts

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation 1

To Adopt Recommendation 2

To Adopt Recommendation 3

To Adopt Recommendation 4

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 9:

An Act To Amend The Legal Profession Act

Bill 14: Miscellaneous Statutes Amending Act, 1994

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Petroleum Products Tax Act

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Dental Mechanics Act

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Pudlat . Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements.

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Holding A Spring Election

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier this week one of my colleagues rose to talk about when the next territorial election should be. He said two years ago he argued for an early election but there was no interest. Mr. Speaker, many things have changed over the past two years. The most important to me, as a Member of this Assembly, is the decline in public confidence both in the government and the Legislative Assembly and many things have contributed to that decline.

In the rest of the country, governments are balancing their budgets and reducing their debt. Here, the government has budgeted itself out of an accumulated surplus and into a situation where we will have a debt of $38 million. This comes at a time when the federal government is trying to deal with the national debt. If our federal budget is cut by a large amount next year, we will be in a very bad deficit situation.

As well, in this time of financial trouble, we need to consider the additional cost of holding a by-election in the riding of our former colleague, Mr. Arvaluk. If a spring election were held, the government would not have to spend our limited resources on this by-election. Residents of the riding could elect a new representative as part of the general election. Two years ago, Mr. Speaker, the government had its negotiations with the UNW settled. Now public service employees are about to enter into their second year without a new contract. In fact, we are aware that the government and the UNW have had to go to arbitration.

In the past two years there have been frequent changes to the Cabinet and leadership of the Assembly. For example, when we take the department of MACA, it has had five different Ministers in the past year and a half and a total of seven new Ministers since this Cabinet was formed. Mr. Speaker, although Members adopted a code of ethics and a statement of zero tolerance for violence...

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my Member's statement.

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Holding A Spring Election

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Holding A Spring Election

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. Thank you, honourable Members. Mr. Speaker, although Members adopted a code of ethics and a statement of zero tolerance for violence, the public perception is that these are not being followed. Particularly in the last year, public inquiries, criminal offences, violent situations involving alcohol and, most recently, lawsuits involving Members of the Assembly have frequently been in the news. People are wondering when these things they read are going to come to a stop.

A concern has been raised that if an early election is called, current MLAs will catch potential opponents unaware and will have an unfair advantage. Mr. Speaker, I do not believe this will be the case. All northerners who are interested know this is an election year. Anyone considering running for the Assembly is probably already thinking about it and preparing. I even know that one of my opponents is having an election meeting on February 27th, which I commend him for. In fairness, I'm even giving him free press. This is a democratic process which we enjoy as Canadians.

Decisions about the timing of the next election, Mr. Speaker, are usually made in private. However, Mr. Speaker, I agree with Mr. Lewis that this issue should be decided through public discussion in this Assembly.

---Applause

I sense that the public would prefer to see an election sooner, rather than later and, therefore, I am considering introducing a motion to have the election this spring.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, it is crucial that the people have confidence in their government and in their Legislative Assembly. We must be sure that the people support our efforts on their behalf and the only way to do that is to have a mandate from the people. I believe an early election will give this whole Assembly a very clear and new mandate. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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An Hon. Member

Hear, hear.

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Holding A Spring Election

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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The Need For An NWT Police Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Members are aware, police services in the Northwest Territories in general, and in Yellowknife in particular, have come under increasing criticism during the past several months. Whether or not such criticism is supported by statistics, there is a definite perception among our citizens that property crimes and crimes of violence have been steadily increasing over the past couple of years in Yellowknife.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, our citizens have become more and more apprehensive in the wake of an alarming number of break-ins, armed robberies, gang-related violence and sexual assaults. Mr. Speaker, our police services appear to be stretched to the limit. With the present fiscal climate of the country, we must find new and innovative solutions to this social dilemma to ensure our safety and the sanctity of our communities.

Mr. Speaker, many provinces have police acts which allow communities to augment their level of protection outside the police service agreement with the federal government. I see the development of a Northwest Territories police act as something that would add to our own options for addressing our present inability to curb criminal activities in our communities. The present territorial police services agreement provides that the Minister of Justice for the Northwest Territories and the Commissioner of the RCMP shall determine the minimum standard of policing and they shall further determine the level of policing services which shall not be less than the minimum standard.

Beyond that determination of our policing requirements, Mr. Speaker, I don't see provisions in the agreement that allow for creative or innovative methods of augmenting our present police services. Perhaps such provisions could be best embodied in a police act, specifically designed for such a purpose.

I would also like to note, Mr. Speaker, that because we don't have a police act, there is presently no legislative mandate for the government or the Minister of Justice to ensure that an adequate and effective level of policing is maintained throughout the Northwest Territories. This is a key element of other police acts across the country.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the Department of Justice has done some work towards development of a police act for the Northwest Territories. I support these efforts as the best way to begin to address our present policing problems. However, time is of the essence and there is a need to move forward as quickly as possible on this initiative. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Dent .

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The Need For An NWT Police Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First, a police act would provide the fundamental legislative responsibility for this government to ensure that adequate and effective policing is maintained for its citizens.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the time for such solutions has arrived and I would like to strongly encourage the Minister of Justice to move forward as quickly as possible in the development of a police act for the Northwest Territories. Our law-abiding citizens deserve adequate and effective protection and we must strive to ensure that they receive no less. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Development Of A Policy On Sustainable Development

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Four years ago, Mr. Chairman...Sorry, Mr. Speaker. Four years ago, the government established a round table on the economy and the environment and agreed to develop a policy on sustainable development. The government, in 1991, disbanded the round table on the economy and the environment and it still has no clear position on sustainable development.

Our Special Committee on the Northern Economy in the 11th Assembly made a strong recommendation to this government to get its act together to prepare for major economic development. The Government of the Northwest Territories has no policy on sustainable development and lacks focus in addressing the major projects associated with mineral development.

I mentioned previously in this House the problems we face because we have no policy on sustainable development. Any time we raise mining and mining issues, we are deemed by many to be in support of development at all cost, full-steam ahead and don't worry about the consequences. If we raise environmental issues, many assume we are anti-development and very likely raving radicals.

Our government has had ample opportunity to develop a sustainable development policy, which everyone has the chance to buy into. It hasn't done this, Mr. Speaker. We have only a very small say in the development of mining in the Northwest Territories. What small say we do have, must be coherent. We can't speak in an ambiguous way. Without a policy, it is becoming a free-for-all. The public really doesn't know who is responsible for what. Before we do take over mining from the feds, we had better have a sustainable development policy, Mr. Speaker.

The Minister of Renewable Resources in his statement yesterday, made reference to sustainable development, but we are still waiting to hear whether the government has any intention of developing one. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Gasoline Subsidies For Hunters And Trappers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday in committee of the whole, the committee approved amendments to Bill 6,

An Act to Amend the Petroleum Products Tax Act. The Petroleum Products Tax Act sets the rates by which the tax on various petroleum products are calculated. The only issues concerning some of my constituents when it comes to purchasing gasoline products is that of the road tax imposed on the price of a litre of gasoline. This government currently has a two-tiered tax system based on where the fuel is delivered. There is a zone A or on-road tax, and a zone B, an off-road tax. I believe zone A taxes are 10 cents a litre and zone B taxes are six cents per litre.

Mr. Speaker, my concern is that there are many hunters, trappers, fishermen and other people who spend a lot of time out on the land. Most of these people purchase gasoline for their outboard motors, skidoos and four-wheelers from in-town gas stations and suppliers. They have to pay the 10 cents extra tax on this product. However, the majority of their travel and use are off-road, in the bush or on the tundra. They use the gas for subsistence gathering or to supplement their traditional lifestyles.

Mr. Speaker, I don't think that this is fair. I know in agricultural country, farmers get breaks on their gasoline taxes and are able to use something called "purple gas." I am not sure if the east coast or west coast fishermen also get breaks on their gas, but in the north we should definitely look at changing our taxation levies on our gasoline products to support our hunters, trappers, fishermen and people following traditional pursuits.

I strongly urge the Minister of Finance to review these on-road and off-road taxes and maybe even consider dying the colour of our gasoline to assist our northerners in maintaining healthy lifestyles through the purchase of cheaper gas. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Koe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Innovative Approaches To Community Policing

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like my colleague, Mr. Dent , I would like to talk about the rising crime rate in the Northwest Territories, especially here in Yellowknife. For the last few years, I, along with other MLAs, have talked about the rise in crime; the increase in the use of drugs and the numbers of break and enters in Yellowknife. We have made many statements about the problem. The Minister has told us many times that the problem is being studied. We have projects in a few communities regarding community policing.

The Minister has also made a commitment for more police in this year's budget. As my colleague has said, what we would really like is the Minister and the department to look at some innovative approaches to community policing that don't cost a lot of money. We need more police and the Minister has committed to more police, but at some point in time, at $150,000 for an RCMP officer, that won't be the only way we are going to solve this problem. The Minister has committed to sit down with the Yellowknife MLAs, the mayor and the police.

Before that meeting, I would like to have the Minister take a very serious look at some of the options that have been put forward; changes to the police act, auxiliary police, enhancing Crime Stoppers, et cetera. A concept I have put forward a number of times is trying to find some kind of a program in cooperation with municipalities to cost-share clerical support for the police. It would be a lot cheaper than hiring new police officers.

The point we are making, as the Yellowknife MLAs, is the problem is serious. People in this town are taking it very seriously. We recognize that dollars are limited, so we really ask the Minister to sit down with his staff and really crunch some numbers and some of these suggestions we have made. When we get together in this meeting, we can go forward with some concrete approaches. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Further Return To Question 134-12(7): Policy On Use Of Aboriginal Languages In Court

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is in response to a question asked by Mr. Antoine on the 22nd of this month. Mr. Antoine asked the question as to what the policy is with respect to using aboriginal languages in the courts. I would like to assure Mr. Antoine that it is the practice of the courts in the Northwest Territories to allow an aboriginal person, whether an accused or a witness, to use an aboriginal language during court proceedings. The department has directed considerable efforts in the training of aboriginal language legal interpreters.

Interpreters have been provided to permit an accused person to be effectively present at his trial, to understand the proceedings and to make full answer in defence. In those cases where it appears this opportunity has not been provided, an accused has the right of appeal to a higher court. In this particular case, the accused exercised his rights in this regard and was successful in gaining a new preliminary inquiry.

It's not proper to comment any further on the case, other than to say that the case demonstrates that the court process works: the language rights of the people within the Northwest Territories are guarded by the courts. To add more than this would put us at risk of interfering with the independence of the courts. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions.

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Question 142-12(7): Appointments To Awg International Committee

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the new Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. I would like to congratulate him on his appointment.

Mr. Speaker, last fall there was a lot of controversy about the awarding of the Arctic Winter Games to the city of Yellowknife. In the furore of this process of securing a bid for the Arctic Winter Games, the members on the Arctic Winter Games International Committee which represent the Northwest Territories both resigned. I would like to ask the Minister, when will he be making appointments to the Arctic Winter Games International Committee?

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Question 142-12(7): Appointments To Awg International Committee

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Ng .

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Question 142-12(7): Appointments To Awg International Committee

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I've written letters to all Members of this Assembly and to a couple of other organizations requesting nominations be put forward for consideration as there are two board members that our government appoints to the Arctic Winter Games International Committee. One of them, by by-law, has to be a senior government representative and the other individual is normally selected by the Arctic Winter Games International Committee with the two nominations that come forward from the department. After I receive interested nominees, then I'll be making a decision on that, and I anticipate that that will be done before the end of March. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Question 142-12(7): Appointments To Awg International Committee

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

It's interesting that one of the appointments has to be a senior government representative. I assume when you say that, that could be any government representative or any government employee from any department. Or, does it have to be from the sport and recreation division of MACA?

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Question 142-12(7): Appointments To Awg International Committee

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Question 142-12(7): Appointments To Awg International Committee

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's my understanding that the individual who would be the government representative would have to be in the capacity of sport and recreation; a senior government official from that area. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. So that really limits the choices then that are available, and I think I disagree if that's one of the criteria. What other criteria will be the Minister be using to select the other position? If the criteria is already established for one of these positions, what criteria will the Minister be using to select the non-government appointment?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

I'll probably have to consider whether or not that individual was from the Inuvik area. No, I would consider whether or not the individual has a broad, general background in sports and what kind of community support and territorial support that individual would have and his qualifications. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. It's nice that there will be some criteria, and, of course, I would prefer someone from the Inuvik region, but being a Member of this House and representing all residents of the north, I hope that everyone has an equal opportunity if they're capable. I'm just wondering again, what time frame are you looking at with soliciting nominations and then when are you going to consider making an appointment?

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The nomination call letters have gone forward now, so I expect within the next couple of weeks that we'll receive them. As I stated earlier, prior to the end of March is when I anticipate making a decision. Thank you.

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Question 143-12(7): Percentage Of $1 Million Power Cost Carried By Other Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation . Mr. Speaker, we all know that the PUB has made a decision with regard to adding a rider to the power rates for the low-water rate; better known as low-water rate rider, on our Power Corporation bills. This initial decision was to recover some $4.8 million which was expended here in Yellowknife. I want to indicate to the public that my constituents are very concerned about this and did not agree with the decision, however, are accordingly paying their power bills.

Mr. Speaker, this particular decision to allow for the rest of the territories to absorb this $1 million cost and the $3 million to be absorbed by Yellowknife residents...Can the Minister indicate to this House if she knows the percentage of this $1 million cost to other territorial residents which should reflect on their power bill? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I'll take the question as notice.

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Question 144-12(7): Inclusion Of Environmental Analyst In 1995-96 Budget

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I hope this question, Mr. Speaker, to the Minister responsible for Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources won't aggravate the whole environmental development debate. I would like to ask the Minister is it true that in this year's estimates -- since I'm not privy to all the finance stuff since I don't belong to the Finance committee -- is it true that he has an environmental analyst planned in this year's budget?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure off the top of my head whether we have a provision for an environmental analyst. I will look into that; I can't remember, quite frankly. I know that the department is taking a great deal more interest in environmental issues as they relate to exploration because it is becoming very high profile and we need to be much more proactive in making sure that the mining industry meets the requirements of the different types of panels that are before us, like the EARP panel that is currently reviewing the BHP application.

This is done in a spirit of cooperation in trying to expedite timely decision-making on the issues surrounding the development of the industry as it relates to the environment. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

(Microphone turned off)...does have -- and I know he's very well aware of it -- provision for an analyst and the Minister has given us an explanation of why he wants to have that. I would like to ask the Minister, since we already -- and I quote some people in the mining industry -- have "environmentalists up the yin yang in government," why is this government adding even one more?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't believe that we're adding an environmentalist to the staff complement. I think what we're doing, which we haven't done in the past, is taking a much more active interest in the environmental aspects of the industry, if I'm correct. And we're trying to assist the mining industry and others in moving forward with their applications to develop different mines and different infrastructure. We're trying to assist them so that we can move quickly to meet the requirements of the environmental review-type panels that the industry has to face. Certainly, it isn't our intent to add to the growing environmental groups, as there are enough of them out there. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Renewable Resources -- and I don't have the precise numbers -- has a large number of people involved in environmental matters and they have them because there is a concern that industrial development has to be balanced and it could have an impact on wildlife. So, what I would like to ask the Minister is, what impact can wildlife have on the industry? Since you now want to have your own, are you afraid of moose knocking over people or bears killing people? What is the purpose of you having an environmental person in your department? So that the mining industry will be protected from these animals?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, I thought I had answered the question by saying that one of the shortcomings, if you want, of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources in previous years was our inability to give the industry -- which I believe we're advocates of -- the right kind of advice that relates to the applications they have to put before hearing committees. I believe that is a proactive approach which this government and certainly my ministry endorses. That is our intention with this position and with the resources we are going to give to it.

It is not to take away from, it is to add to the kind of expertise and support we can provide the industry to expeditiously meet the requirements of the environmental review committees. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. This is the budget session, Mr. Speaker, and I've already been told that we have lots of people who are great at analysing things. So, I would like to ask the Minister, instead of adding to the public service, did he consider the possibility of seconding somebody from somewhere else inside the government so we wouldn't have to increase the costs to this government of adding more staff?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that Mr. Lewis and some of his colleagues from Yellowknife want to see an orderly, expeditious development of the mineral industry. I believe this position enhances that, it doesn't take away from that. It provides us with the expertise to provide advice to the industry so it can hopefully avoid some of the delays we have seen recently because the industry didn't address all the issues the RERC wanted, and that was the BHP application. I suppose we perhaps could have considered secondment. We didn't and that's why it is in the budget. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 145-12(7): Value-added Jobs In Diamond Mining Industry

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. I have a question, Mr. Speaker, for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism and it also has to do with diamond mining. I'm not as concerned as my colleague about the process or about this particular position, but what I am concerned about, though, are what steps the department has taken to look at the possibility of value-added jobs, whether they are in a sorting facility or in a cutting factory. At the end of the day, what my constituents are worried about are some real jobs and some real benefits. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We're currently doing some of that research and investigating under the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, actually. I believe we've hired some of the top knowledgeable diamond people in the world and I say that without risk of being questioned on it. Right now we have these people working on evaluating, sorting, polishing, et cetera. In the reports they are doing for us, they are showing us the net fiscal benefits should these activities take place.

Again, if it were to be viewed that some of this work could be done in the north we would, once a decision to develop a diamond mine has been made, have to sit down and negotiate with the mining industry to determine what we could do in the north. But, it is certainly our intent to encourage and prepare documentation that shows that some of this work can be done. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister is aware that estimates have been done about the loss of government jobs in Yellowknife because of Nunavut, and they are somewhere in the order of 300 jobs. My understanding is that a sorting factory could probably provide 100 to 150 jobs, so it could be a very significant addition to Yellowknife, if that's the way it comes out. My question to the Minister is, has the Minister made it clear to BHP that our government will aggressively pursue these value-added opportunities to stay here in the Northwest Territories?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have explained to BHP -- as a matter of fact, I met with Mr. Hickman earlier last week -- that with or without an accord, if there is no value-added fiscal component to this development that we are going to be heading towards a difference of opinion about whether this development should move forward or not. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. To follow along the same line of questioning, I, along with other people, have a real concern because the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs has that responsibility and I'm not convinced they hold dear the interests of the Northwest Territories as deeply as our government does. My question to the Minister is, has the Minister made it very clear to the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs that we consider it imperative that we have some of these value-added opportunities here in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would hope that we have made it clear. I've certainly spoken to the Minister about the issue of the mineral accord, in general. We all know that, to some extent -- and only to some extent -- that diamonds are driving the agenda a little more aggressively than perhaps it has in the past. We've indicated to him at some length -- not only myself, but my colleagues, Mr. Pollard and the Premier -- that we would like to see significant value-added benefits accrued from this development. I want to reiterate what I have said on a number of occasions. These are northern diamonds, therefore some benefits should accrue to northerners. Thank you.

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Question 146-12(7): Development Of NWT Police Act

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Justice . Following up on my statement on policing earlier today, I would like to ask the Minister if his department is, in fact, working on development of a police act for the Northwest Territories?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the department at this time has only expressed some initial interest in flushing out some thoughts in that area. It is nowhere near the point where we can say substantively that we've done any work on it. Only that some initial thoughts have started to focus on the area and the need for it. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. Since the Minister indicates that it is very early on in the process, I was wondering if he could advise the House if he has plans to insist that the department make this a priority and try to move the process along during the life of this government.

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The Speaker

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there are many areas that I, as a Minister, am interested in exploring and investigating. Much of the department, at this time, is working flat out with the present workload, just trying to get the business done for the government on issues that are current and work that we are trying to finish up. Somewhere in there, we can say that it is a priority because of our work in trying to move towards community-oriented justice and policing initiatives. Specifically with regard to a police act, we have not done substantive work. As I say, we have 1,000 priorities and it is in there somewhere. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, several provincial jurisdictions that I am aware of provide for the appointment of auxiliary or special constables in their police acts. Since the Minister has just mentioned the need for community police resources, can he tell me if there are any other mechanism by which a police auxiliary or community patrols could be authorized, other than a police act?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, a police act, as I understand it, would allow for mechanisms and ways in which this government, municipalities and regional groups can provide for alternative policing than what we have presently. There is no act, just a contract for the RCMP to provide overall policing for the whole of the Northwest Territories. A police act would allow for that present scenario to continue and possibly with provisions for aboriginal police forces; for instance, the Yellowknife police force, which is a municipal police force. It would allow for regional or territorial police forces.

So you may look at a police force for a particular region or the whole of a certain territory. At this time, as I said, we have looked at it and there has been some initial thought given to it, but we're not at the point where we can say with any certainty that we will get beyond that.

As Members know, we have an intensive amount of work to get done in the course of this session and before the next government, but we will, in our discussions with Yellowknife Members, perhaps be open to more discussions in order to flush out our thinking on it. We are prepared to consider a preliminary discussion paper for consideration of the next government as part of the transition paper, if that is what is being called for. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister appears, in his answer, to agree that some action may be necessary. For certainty, I would like to ask the Minister if he would not agree that the appointment, training, qualifications and administration of civilian or community patrols engaged to assist the RCMP in surveillance or neighbourhood watch activities, would best be set out in legislation rather than an agreement. Legislation could then set out duties, responsibilities, authority and jurisdiction in addition to legal liability. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I can't give an opinion on that, other than to say that is a consideration to be evaluated in the course of discussions. At this time, we are looking positively at the merits of a police act, but we are not yet at the stage where we could give any substantive arguments for or against. Therefore, it is at a very preliminary stage. Thank you.

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Question 147-12(7): Decrease In Aboriginal Employment

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, this government has spent a great deal of time and resources on

the issue of employment creation for aboriginal people in the north. I would like to ask the Minister, given the obvious efforts that have been made over the past five years to increase the number of aboriginal people in the employed labour force, how does he explain the fact that the employment share of aboriginal people in the western Arctic has decreased between 1989 and 1994? It has decreased from 28 per cent of total employment in 1989 to 27 per cent of employment in 1994. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is a detailed question that I don't have the statistics for. It is all statistical and it has to be dealt with in the context of the information the honourable Member is reading from.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

No, Mr. Speaker. I indicated that the information the Member is using is statistical and I don't know the basis on which the question is being asked. I don't know the information that is being used. Therefore, it is very difficult for me to respond to the honourable Member. It requires a technical response.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Let me rephrase it. Mr. Speaker, over a number of years, our government has indicated that employment creation, especially for aboriginal people in the north, is a priority. We have been spending a lot of money in that area. In 1989, the average for the western Arctic was 28 per cent. This past year, 1994, it went down to 27 per cent. So with all these efforts that our government has been making, our percentage has dropped down. I would like to ask the Minister if he is aware of this problem and what is causing this problem for the aboriginal people in the western Arctic. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The problem is, with great respect, the honourable Member has to look at all the labour information in its context. I can indicate to the honourable Member that the results of the 1994 labour force survey indicated both positive and negative developments and I think that the honourable Member is only pointing out the negative.

The highlights of the survey results are as follows: the unemployment rate went up from 16 per cent in 1989 to 17 per cent in 1994, however, it is very difficult for job creation to keep up with the large number of people who join the labour force every year in the Northwest Territories due to both the population increase and the rising participation rate; second, the participation rate for aboriginal people increased from 56 per cent in 1989 to 61 per cent in 1994. This means that aboriginal people are more interested in wage employment and are pursuing wage employment more actively.

Aboriginal people made some gains in the overall employment share, from 38 per cent of the total employment in 1989 to 39 per cent in 1994.

The overall labour market of the NWT performed well to absorb so many new workers with only a slight increase in the unemployment rate and a small improvement in the employment/population ratio. The problem is that the information that the honourable Member has does not consider all these factors, and if you look at all the highlights, obviously there is both growth, and in some cases a reduction in the employment opportunities.

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Question 148-12(7): Procedures For Implementing Cabinet Decisions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, last year with regard to the Cabinet, they had given direction with respect to the fire management program. Direction was given to a Minister on how to address a component of the fire management program. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Premier , are there any written procedures and guidelines which govern a Minister's actions in carrying out the decisions of Cabinet, aside from the general, broad direction provided by Cabinet? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, there would be records of decision. Any other policy matters that came out of the records of decision would be available for direction in the fire management program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe the Premier didn't hear my question. I would like to ask again, are there any written procedures and guidelines which govern a Minister's actions in carrying out the decision of Cabinet, aside from the general, broad policies and directions that are provided by Cabinet? I would like to know whether there are any guidelines that you have as a Cabinet. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I may not be understanding the question, but to my knowledge there are no written procedures to follow what would be available for a Minister to carry out his duties, in addition to those records of decision or general policy guidelines. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. So is the Premier indicating to the public that if there are no written procedures or guidelines, Cabinet Ministers are fully on their own when they're attempting to implement a Cabinet direction? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, as I have indicated before, there are records of decision and there are also general policies. On those decisions, it's expected that the Minister will carry out those responsibilities and those directions that had come out of these policies and records of decision, unless the record of decision had indicated that the Minister had additional provisions that would direct the Minister to come back to Cabinet for reconfirming a certain aspect of the record of decision. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recognizing that, basically Ministers attempt to implement Cabinet direction in a vacuum because of the absence of written procedures or written guidelines, no policies to adhere to, even though there are policies with a general direction, as the Premier has stated, on the decision; basically, it appears that Ministers are implementing Cabinet direction in a total vacuum. Would the Premier consider developing written procedures and guidelines for her Ministers when implementing Cabinet direction? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I wouldn't suggest that Ministers were carrying out their responsibilities in a vacuum. Most Members generally complain more that there are too many policies, too many directives, too many guidelines; that often there's not that flexibility to bend to circumstances as they arise.

I believe that the general procedures are on how business is carried out, and the policies are part of a department; for example, if we looked at forest fire fighting, there is a very long procedure on when a fire gets fought, when it doesn't get fought, what type of guidelines a Minister would follow in running the forest fire prevention program. To put in another level in the procedures, I don't know how that would be done, but I will certainly look at it and just see if that would help circumstances. However, there are already quite a large number of procedural guidelines that Ministers have to follow. Thank you.

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Question 149-12(7): Structure Of New Rent Scale Effective April 1, 1995

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of the Housing Corporation . In April 1995, I understand that rents will be increasing. I just want to ask the Minister what kind of structured rates they will have when increasing the rents, as my constituents would like to know more about this. As we all know, the housing rates will be increasing. I just want to know what differences there will be in 1995 from previous years. This is my question to the Minister. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The new rent scale will come into effect on April 1, 1995 and it will vary from the old rent scale by quite a bit. In some cases, rent will decrease for some of the lower-income people in social housing. For elders, the rent will be $1 a year. But, for family members living with them in social housing, their income will

be assessed. Also, there will be a new cost-of-living adjustment for all people living in the Northwest Territories and higher-income people will be encouraged to move into home ownership. I can arrange a complete briefing for the Member if he would like that done and then he will be right up to date on the issue. Thank you.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just for clarification, the Minister indicated that there will be some increases and also some decreases in social housing. The Minister indicated that there will be a decrease to $1 a year rent for those people on social assistance. I just want to get further clarification on that, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, it would not mean that those people on social assistance will only pay $1 a year for rent. It is for seniors only. If a person is on social assistance, their rent is going to stay the same, regardless. It will be $32 a month. It is only after you make more than $1,800 a month, that your rent will go up. For those who make less than $1,800, the rent should decrease.

With the old scale, once you made over $450 a month, your rent jumped up automatically to 25 per cent of your gross income so the new scale is better for low-income people. Those people who will pay higher rents are those people who can afford to own their own homes and they will be encouraged to go into home ownership programs, rather than taking social housing stock needed for low-income people. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. Can the Minister tell us whether or not the reorganization of the department at headquarters is complete?

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Kelvin Ng

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Sorry, was the Member referring to the study or the reorganization of the department?

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I hope this is not considered a supplementary, but a clarification.

---Laughter

I didn't refer to any study. I want to know whether or not the reorganization at headquarters is complete.

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Yes, Mr. Speaker, the reorganization is complete. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

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Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister then be tabling in this House the new organizational charts on the restructuring and in these charts, will he be including the names of the incumbents of each position?

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Kelvin Ng

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If that is the Member's wish, it can certainly be done, yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you. I will be looking forward to that information. As a result of the reorganization of headquarters, can the Minister indicate what has been the overall impact on the number of person years? Have the numbers of person years in the department increased or decreased?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There has been an overall effect on one employee. Some members have taken workforce adjustment and some members have moved into other positions. I can certainly provide a detailed analysis, along with the reorganization charts to the Member.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I will certainly be waiting for that information also. So, as the reorganization of headquarters is now complete, as the Minister indicated, will the Minister now be concentrating on the restructuring of the department at regional and community levels?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is one of the objectives of the department that I will be looking at, to see whether or not that will be required, especially as it relates overall to the impending division of the Northwest Territories. Yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I asked the Minister of Renewable Resources some questions yesterday about the 28-kilometre road between the Koala pulp sampling plant, operated by BHP, and Misery Lake and I didn't get a very clear answer. But, I've learned that the regional environmental review committee did complete a review of this and the government, at least this department, was very positive about having done all the work. They said with certain conditions, this was all right. I would like to ask the Minister, what other departments were involved in giving input to the environmental review at the regional level?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The regional environmental review committee, which was formed by the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs, consists of Government of the Northwest Territories membership of three departments: one is the Department of Economic Development and Tourism; one is the Department of Renewable Resources; and, the third is the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brian Lewis

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe also the Department of Education, Culture and Employment because there are archaeological sites of a cultural interest so that department was also involved. I would like to ask the Minister, since this is an environmental issue, did the government have one position on this road, or did it have three or four departmental positions on this road?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not able to respond on behalf of the other departments, but I believe that the Department of Renewable Resources, as the arm of the government which considers environmental impact across the Northwest Territories, has taken a very thorough look at the situation and what impact it may have on the environment surrounding the BHP mine. The results of this technical committee, which is basically what it is -- it is an advisory committee to the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs -- have agreed that, in fact, the road which BHP is proposing will have minimal impact on the environment around the proposed mine. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. BHP's application to have an amendment to its land use permit in N93C043 is obviously supported by all the government departments in the Northwest Territories. I am not quite sure if the whole government supports it, but individual departments have agreed that this should go ahead. So now that those recommendations have been made to the chairman of the regional committee, I would like to ask the Minister, what other groups have been involved? Have any of them opposed this particular project?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As this is an advisory committee to the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs, I am not aware of which other stakeholders are involved in the process. The only information I have at the present time is that the Department of Renewable Resources is involved and the other two departments of the Government of the Northwest Territories. I am able to respond to questions on behalf of the Department of Renewable Resources. But when it comes to the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs, I am not able to respond on their behalf. This is as much information as I have at the present time with regard to the regional environmental review committee. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Since this has been raised in this House so many times as the biggest project this territory has ever seen, and since BHP has to know by March 15th whether this road will go or not because it has to get equipment in by the summer, and since this Minister is the Minister responsible for environmental matters that affect all the people of the Northwest Terr