Debates of Feb. 19th, 1997

This is page numbers 687 - 729 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Plan 2000 - A Positive Solution To The Public Housing Shortage

Progress On Community Empowerment Initiatives

NWT Protected Areas Strategy

Minister Absent From The House

Nunavut Leaders' Summit

Drug And Alcohol Program Reductions

Seal Hunting Public Image

Congratulations To Tara Hamer

Clean-up Of Pcb Sites

Foster Parent Training Program

Protected Area Strategy

Nunavut Youth Conference

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Seal Hunting Public Image

Broughton Island Dew Line Site

Re-structuring The Canada Pension Plan

Improvements To After Care Services

Seniors' Fuel Subsidy

Detail On Plan 2000

NWT Protected Area Strategy

Impact Of Communications Privatization

Foster Parent Training

Mining Regulatory Review

Incremental Costs For Division

Utilidor System In Inuvik

Restructuring Of Library Services

Preventing Infant Mortality

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Men's Junior Championship Curling Team

Item 10: Petitions

Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 687

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 51-13(4): Plan 2000 - A Positive Solution To The Public Housing Shortage

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak to Members about a serious concern for many individuals, families and communities in the north, the need for adequate and affordable housing. Accessible, affordable and quality housing is an ongoing and indeed a growing problem for the north where, because of our climate and our geography, the cost of building or purchasing a home is out of reach for many families based on their household income.

As a result, a high percentage of our population relies on the assistance of the government through income support programs and through the NWT Housing Corporation to ensure they have a roof over their heads, or somewhere else to call home. Compounding the day-to-day reality of housing costs, as Members are aware, the federal government has stopped funding the construction of new social housing units. In the Northwest Territories, this translates to an annual loss of about $50 million, which in turn means that several hundred housing units cannot be built each year.

Mr. Speaker, the combination of increasing demand and the decreasing resources has had a devastating effect on the Northwest Territories. (Translation ends) Lower income families who need a place to live are unable to access rental properties, and middle income families who would like to purchase their own home are unable to do so because it is beyond their financial reach.

The NWT Housing Corporation has tried, with some success, to deal with the growing demand for social housing through programs such as the purchase or owner-build programs and the Downpayment Assistance Program. In the process, it has been able to meet some of the need for housing in many communities throughout the north. It has also provided jobs for northerners through housing maintenance and construction and business opportunities for local and northern contractors, suppliers and manufacturers. But, despite these good efforts, the demand for housing continues to increase, and every day the waiting list for access to housing grows longer.

Mr. Speaker, I believe, looking at these circumstances, we can all agree the housing situation in the NWT is at a crisis point. And at a point where we must now take drastic measures in order to prevent the situation from getting worse.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce today that this government believes it has found a way to help address this current housing crisis. Our initiative, which we call Plan 2000, will provide more opportunities than ever before in the history of the NWT for families to become home owners, or to have their homes repaired or expanded. It will also address some of the territories' long-standing housing problems, such as the hundreds of rental and privately-owned property units that do not have proper water and sewage systems.

Mr. Speaker, it is my intention to make detailed presentations to the appropriate standing committees of this House. In the meantime, however, I would like to highlight a few of the things this plan will do to address the housing crisis.

First, the intent of Plan 2000 is to enable the NWT Housing Corporation to provide a more focused use of its funds to ensure it reaches as many people as possible. Mr. Speaker, with Plan 2000, the NWT Housing Corporation is getting out of the mortgage business and into the business of helping families find and access suitable, healthy and affordable housing, no matter what their income level.

Under this plan, we will assist people in shifting their mortgages to lending organizations at a rate and level they can afford. This will be done through the expansion of the DAP program and by marketing the Corporation's current mortgage and loans portfolio to lending institutions. With Plan 2000, we will be proposing an amendment to the NWT Housing Corporation Act to allow for the Corporation to provide banks with mortgage underwriting or guarantees to assist clients wishing to build homes or access bank financing.

Mr. Speaker, we believe this initiative will not only open new opportunities for home ownership, but it will also have a positive effect on the northern economy as well. As designed, Plan 2000 will provide a boost to the northern and local construction industries by creating up to 1,000 additional, seasonal construction, supply and manufacturing jobs a year.

Mr. Speaker, Plan 2000 is an innovative solution to a large problem. We believe this new approach to housing is one of the most positive and effective things this government can do to affect the very heart of our communities and our society. However, as with many other initiatives facing this government today, we must continue to look to the future. We view Plan 2000 as a short-term measure that will help us improve the quality of life for people prior to division, and address the immediate housing needs.

We cannot ignore the fact that the Territories has the highest population growth rates and unemployment rates in the country. Plan 2000 cannot replace the need for the federal government and the two future territorial governments, after division, to address the long-term needs for low cost housing. For today, however, this government believes that Plan 2000 is the best alternative to address the housing crisis. It gives us the opportunity today to make a direct and vital difference in the lives of individuals, families and communities throughout the entire Northwest Territories. And that to me, Mr. Speaker, is good government. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 51-13(4): Plan 2000 - A Positive Solution To The Public Housing Shortage

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 688

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 52-13(4): Progress On Community Empowerment Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, today I will provide Members with an update on community empowerment and the progress our government has made in working with communities.

Last summer, extensive consultation on community empowerment took place and we found positive support for the initiative. In October, Members of this Assembly discussed community empowerment and its implementation. Members were assured that community empowerment is community-driven. That means communities set the pace and communities decide when they want to pursue greater opportunities.

The motion of support for community empowerment is proof that Members are behind this initiative and willing to help it become a reality in all of our communities. I thank you for this support. I want to assure Members that we are committed to continuously improving this initiative as it proceeds. Your suggestions are important and help influence the thinking and ideas that lead to positive change. Community empowerment is delegating an appropriate level of authority and control from the territorial government to the community level of government. With authority and control comes accountability.

Mr. Speaker, the Standing Committee on Government Operations recommended that the Auditor General of Canada undertake an independent review of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs to assess and determine the financial health of communities through their municipal reporting processes.

I am pleased to report that my department has begun work with the office of the Auditor General to identify and address the accountability issues. Meetings, including a full day presentation by my department on how we monitor municipal financing, have been held with the Auditor General's staff. These meetings have already proven beneficial to both parties and we look forward to receiving and sharing their report on our municipal processes.

Mr. Speaker, my department is updating its Community Development Strategy which will outline the community and government process for reviewing and approving proposals for transfer. A lot of work has also been done on the issues associated with the transfer of infrastructure to communities. While some issues are still outstanding, implementation is proceeding.

Infrastructure transfers will result in communities owning additional infrastructure that they will have control of. With ownership, Mr. Speaker, comes additional responsibility. Regional infrastructure workshops are being planned to assist communities with these new responsibilities. At these workshops, community leaders will have an opportunity to discuss infrastructure transfer issues related to community empowerment.

Mr. Speaker, departments have identified a number of social programs that can be made available for transfer. These include community supervision, Education Act provisions, child and family services, Aboriginal Custom Adoption Act, community wellness funding and social housing programs, including rental and home ownership programs.

Other outstanding issues include financing community empowerment, liability and labour relations issues. Sorting out all the outstanding issues is a complex process, but I am pleased to report that the work is progressing and being prepared for Cabinet's review. I look forward to discussions with Members on these matters.

Mr. Speaker, this government is committed to working with communities to ensure that community empowerment is successful. We have developed a community development approach to help communities identify where they need to develop expertise, skills and capacities to take on greater control, authority and responsibility. Mr. Speaker, I will soon be making another statement explaining the good work that has been done to prepare the community development tools.

To highlight, Mr. Speaker, successful community development starts with planning. Community-based planning is a way for people to work together to improve the existing and future conditions of their community. It is a tool communities can use to establish a vision of what they want to achieve and how to achieve it.

To determine if a community has the resources and capacity to successfully delivery community programs and services, a community assessment is done. Assessments help communities to identify existing community resources, skills, capacity and training needs required to reach their future goals. For those communities with identified training needs, training opportunities are also available.

Communities that are not ready to pursue community empowerment can still benefit from community based planning, assessment and training. We encourage communities to take advantage of these community development opportunities. Regional interdepartmental teams are available now to facilitate the planning and assessment work in communities.

Mr. Speaker, over the next week I am going to speak more specifically on how we are working with communities to build community capacity to take on more responsibility from the territorial government. I will also share with Members examples of our community empowerment successes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 52-13(4): Progress On Community Empowerment Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 53-13(4): NWT Protected Areas Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the most interesting challenges for governments throughout Canada and around the world is to define and maintain a good balance between economic and industrial development, and the protection of the environment. This is particularly challenging here in the north, as we have vast amounts of both natural resources and natural beauty.

I am pleased to report to Members that this government is making progress on the development of a "made in the north" Protected Areas Strategy aimed at finding the right balance that respects the needs of all northerners. The development of this Protected Areas Strategy follows through on a commitment made by this government in 1994, with the signing of the Whitehorse Mining Initiative Accord.

The accord expresses a strategic vision for mining in Canada. The signatories, including this government, with representatives of the mining industry, environmental groups, labour and some aboriginal organizations, made a commitment to advance its principles and goals. The accord is intended to establish a framework for dealing with issues related to mining in Canada in a co-operative and collaborative manner.

The Whitehorse Mining Initiative Leadership Council agreed to a number of principles and goals, one of which related to protected areas. The Leadership Council agreed

"protected area networks are essential contributors to environmental health, biological diversity, and ecological processes, as well as being a fundamental part of the sustainable balance of society, economy, and environment."

Mr. Speaker, they envisioned the development of a protected areas network based on the use of good science, taking into account appropriate economic, environmental and social information and consultation with stakeholders.

The accord covers much more than protected areas. The Leadership Council set a number of principles and goals, too numerous to list here. It should be noted though, that a number of initiatives being undertaken by this government fall within the principles and meet the goals established. As a matter of principle the signatories agreed that "access to land for exploration and development is a fundamental requirement for the industry".

This government agrees and is committed to collaborate with aboriginal organizations and the federal government to pursue continued industry access to lands. The protected areas strategy will further this commitment.

The participants in the Whitehorse Mining Initiative agreed in principle that "the mineral industry requires readily accessible investment capital on a globally competitive basis". We agree. This government is committed to improving the investment climate in the Northwest Territories. We are embarking on a regulatory reform initiative with the view to reducing regulations which create an unnecessary burden on the private sector. Regulations we have respecting the mineral industry will be reviewed as will others,

The Whitehorse Mining Initiative also recognizes that "the success of Canada's mining industry depends on the continuing availability of a skilled, well trained, and mobile workforce operating in a healthy and safe environment". The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment is preparing a labour force development strategy, to ensure that our northern workforce can take best advantage of these opportunities.

In

summary, Mr. Speaker, we are working on initiatives, in addition to the protected areas strategy that represent follow through on the Whitehorse Mining Initiative. Those who signed the Whitehorse Mining Initiative Accord agreed that protected area networks are essential contributors to environmental health. So, how do we do it? We need a way to protect those areas northerners feel need protecting beyond that which can be done with general laws of application. The development of a protected areas strategy will formally begin in Inuvik at the conference on the week of March 3rd.

The first order of business will be to meet with all users of the land and determine what steps are required to develop a territory wide strategy, to seek commitments to the development of the strategy and to identify people to work with us throughout the process. Representatives from all users of the land have been invited to participate.

Mr. Speaker, could I seek unanimous consent to continue to conclude my statement, please.

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Minister's Statement 53-13(4): NWT Protected Areas Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Sahtu is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Minister's statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Kakfwi , you have unanimous consent.

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Minister's Statement 53-13(4): NWT Protected Areas Strategy

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. There seems to be a great deal of concern about land withdrawals. The process we are undertaking is not one to immediately alienate land. Inevitably there will be land withdrawals. The strategy will help us determine why, when and how land will be withdrawn and which geographic areas are candidates. All land users have been invited to participate with us in determining how this can be done to best meet everyone's needs.

There seems to be a great deal of concern that individuals and organizations not from the Northwest Territories will be participating in the Inuvik meeting and in the development of the strategy. Mr. Speaker, this is true. In private meetings I have invited Cominco, Royal Oak, Canamera, BHP and Diavik, all of whom have head offices elsewhere. The Nature Conservancy has also been invited, as has the World Wildlife Fund, which is an international organization. There is no apology to be made here, Mr. Speaker, as I believe we all want the best advice possible.

There is this myth in the minds of some people that the agenda for the Protected Areas Strategy is being driven by non-northern interests. We may be seeking advice and assistance for non-northern sources, but let me assure that this strategy will be designed to meet our needs.

Many people, allegedly with opposing interests, have been asked to meet, reach agreement and initiate a process to control events that will impact their lives in some way in the future. Perhaps more important, a process that will respect and accommodate the needs and interests of all northerners. Mr. Speaker, if people are concerned, they should ask about the Protected Areas Strategy and what it means. By that I mean that my office is open and I am available. If people have concerns, I would be very pleased to take their calls and to make myself and my staff available to answer concerns and questions and issues that arise as a result of the initiative.

So, how can we accommodate various land uses while protecting environmental habitats and maintaining our unique natural and cultural heritage? How can we make this strategy work in a way that balances the needs and interest of all northerners? I believe by continuing to work in the spirit of respect and co-operation I am more than confident that we will find the right answers to the questions that we have now and we will find the answers that we seek. Thank you.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 53-13(4): NWT Protected Areas Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 54-13(4): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Don Morin will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Council of Fisheries Ministers on behalf of the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi in Ottawa, and to attend a personal matter. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 54-13(4): Minister Absent From The House

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Again, I will remind the Ministers to seek unanimous consent to go back to Ministers' statements, when you wish to make further statements after the 20 minutes are up, Mr. Arlooktoo . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Nunavut Leaders' Summit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Good morning. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as you are aware, Members of the Nunavut Caucus have just returned from the Nunavut Leaders' Summit in Ikaluktutiak. The two day meeting was aptly titled, Decisions 97. While we did indeed make decisions on a number of issues, there is still a lot of work ahead for all leaders in Nunavut as we move closer to April 1, 1999 and division. Much of the discussion on the opening day involved the composition and design of the Nunavut Legislative Assembly. Leaders agreed that the Assembly should have a minimum of 20 Members and a maximum of 22.

Agreement was also reached on the election, electing the Premier of Nunavut at large. If it is possible within the timeframe before division, Nunavut's leaders also want to ensure that a Legislative Assembly is in place to take over on April 1, 1999, and have therefore decided that the first election will be held in January or February of 1999. As you know, Mr. Speaker, gender parity has been one of the most contentious issues in discussion on the design of the Nunavut Legislative Assembly.

I wish to report to the House that the people of Nunavut will decide, by plebiscite, whether or not their Assembly will be elected on the basis of equal representation of men and women. To date, there has not been a clear indication of whether or not the majority of the residents in Nunavut support gender parity. The plebiscite will tell us clearly what the people want. We as a member of Nunavut Caucus, feel it is crucial to protect the democratic process by letting the people who elect us have a say in such a fundamental change, in the way Members of a Legislative Assembly are chosen officials.

From the three signatories to the Nunavut Accord, Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Natilikmiot is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ningark , you have unanimous consent.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you colleagues. From the three signatories to the Nunavut Accord, we will be working on the detail of the plebiscite. More information will be released soon. The three signatories also agreed, in principle, with the design and scheduling for the Nunavut government, as proposed by the Nunavut Implementation Commission in the Footprints 2 Report. Further to this, the three parties have agreed to co-operatively cost the model being proposed by NIC.

I mentioned earlier, Mr. Speaker, that while all three parties, the federal government, Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated and the territorial government through the Nunavut Caucus agreed on some points, many issues remain outstanding, including the transfer of current staff to the new Nunavut government. The Government of the Northwest Territories maintains that current GNWT employees in the western Arctic be transferred to the Nunavut government. Leaders from the Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated agree, but they want the transfer to be based on individual employee's evaluations.

This is one of the areas that needs further work and will probably be one issue that the interim commissioner, once appointed, will have a key role in addressing.

Mr. Speaker, this meeting was critical. While we did not reach consensus on all issues, I feel that we have taken some positive steps to work forward on the road to Nunavut. Many challenges still lie ahead. There are many substantial issues, including finances, infrastructure development and employment, that need our attention. I encourage all parties to deal responsively when considering these matters. Mr. Speaker, with little more than two years ahead until division, we have to move decisively and efficiently if we are to reach our goal. It is going to take the co-operation of everyone involved in the process.

Finally, I would like to once again, on behalf of all Members of Nunavut Caucus, to thank the mayor, Mr. Wilcox, the people of Cambridge Bay, and all the leaders and staff who have participated in the meetings. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Drug And Alcohol Program Reductions

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my Member's statement today is on the issue of drug and alcohol reductions. Everyone has to make decisions. These decisions, in this day and time, are difficult. I think that when we make these decisions, we look at the pros and cons of any of the decisions we have to take

part in. What are the options? And, after looking at all possible angles, decide where we are heading with these decisions. I hope that this approach is taken by the Minister of Health and Social Services when it comes to the area of drug and alcohol reform. I was told that when they had met with the treatment directors, they were using those meetings and the experiences of the past as to what worked and what did not work in making these decisions. I knew the Minister was looking at shutting down an alcohol and drug facility and assumed that he had carefully looked at all the pros and cons and weighed those out.

Since the announcement of the Delta House closure, many questions have been raised, such as basing decisions on an average number of treatment beds in comparison to other jurisdictions, especially when the NWT alcohol and drug abuse is far beyond southern levels. Also, with all the higher problems we have, there is a greater need for treatment. The project team stressed the importance of having treatment and support close to home. I question this when we are shutting down the only facility operating in the region of Inuvik.

If regional beds are not being used, should you not address the referral process, which allows people to by-pass local facilities, before shutting things down?

Mr. Speaker, these are questions that I feel need to be addressed. The example you used for closing Delta House was the financial aspect of running these facilities. I think there are things that have to be looked at in this. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Inuvik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Roland , you have unanimous consent.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. I believe this is the first time I have asked for that. Mr. Speaker, as I was saying, the cost of the facility to operate and maintain was used as part of the reasons for closing the Delta House facility. I believe the cost of transportation to send these people to other places and the cost to maintain this unit, versus newer, larger ones elsewhere, when the total amount being funded to this facility was $650,000. That ran the whole operation, employees, people coming to the facility, rental of the unit itself.

I would like to know if this was taken into consideration. People in Inuvik are saying that the reason they shut Delta House was a cost issue, that was what they were being told. When they questioned it, they did not seem to have the hard numbers to justify the costs. The people in Inuvik already questioned what these were and there were no numbers to back it up. I am also concerned how the decision was made and the logic that was used. I hope the Minister has answers when we begin the budget for Health and Social Services today.

I also hope he will work with the community of Inuvik to find options for the alcohol and drug centre to support the structure already in place. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Seal Hunting Public Image

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 691

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, many of my honourable colleagues have talked about the damage caused by TV programs about seal hunting. These community programs show seal hunters as violent people. These programs hurt the reputation of the Inuit people. We have always hunted, but do so with great respect for the animals we share the land and water with. We are not violent people. We hunt to support ourselves and our families.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 692

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Congratulations To Tara Hamer

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 692

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to pass on congratulations to Tara Hamer of Yellowknife who, over the past few weeks, was a member of the winning team in the Canadian Junior Ladies' Curling Championships. She will be off to Japan soon representing Team Canada in the World Championships. Tara established a Canadian record for most appearances at the Canadian Junior Ladies' Championships, and she is the first lady to represent two entities, namely the Northwest Territories and Nova Scotia. We have never had a northerner win a Canadian curling championship before, Mr. Speaker.

Tara was born and raised in Yellowknife. She is the daughter of Ter and Julaine Hamer. She graduated from St. Pat's High School here in Yellowknife, and is now a student at Mount St. Vincent University in Halifax. Obviously, she is an awesome curler, and my congratulations go out to her. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 692

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Clean-up Of Pcb Sites

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 692

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning colleagues. I want to talk about diseases that are acquired from PCB. PCB has been a major concern in some of the communities in my riding, particularly in Clyde River and Broughton Island. There is a place called Cape Christian and some scientists have found some PCBs in this area, in as many as 40 barrels. There was some work done on cleaning up PCB sites. Today, Mr. Speaker, I want to say that, as I was visiting Broughton Island, I have had the opportunity to go to a DEW Line site and see this for myself.

There are some older buildings on this site and these older, abandoned units have not been cleaned up. There has not been any cleaning up on these sites. During question period, I will be asking the Minister responsible for the environment with regard to the clean-up site on the DEW Line. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Foster Parent Training Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 692

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week there was a lot of talk about heart in the House. Today I would like to speak about a group of people who open their hearts every day, that being foster parents. Mr. Speaker, in a perfect world, every child would grow up in the loving and caring arms of their parents. However, sometimes that just is not possible. Across the north, foster parents fill this important role for many of our children. They open their homes to children whenever they are needed. As of December, 1996, about 280 children were being cared for in 140 foster homes.

As a government, we try to support the efforts of foster parents. I believe that we could, and should, be doing more. Foster parents are provided with a modest allowance to cover the cost of caring for each child. This allowance ranges from $24 per day, depending on the community's cost of living, and the special needs of the child. Fostering is not easy and foster parents need support. Social workers have the responsibility of providing support to foster parents. Some regions also have designated workers to provide general support.

Mr. Speaker, it takes a special person to open their heart and home to a young person who needs them, maybe for a week, for a day, for a year. I would like to say thank you to all the foster parents across the Northwest Territories for all they do for our children and for this government. Later, I will be questioning the Minister of Health and Social Services with regard to the training provided to our foster parents.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Protected Area Strategy

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 692

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have heard about the Protected Area Strategy over the past few months, and the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development spoke as recently as today in the House about it. He also talked about the upcoming conference to be held in Inuvik next March. Mr. Speaker, I cannot help but remain concerned on what impact the strategy will have in many areas. Specifically, the negative impact of this process on the money markets which are the greatest source of mineral exploration and development funds.

Now, more than ever, we need a welcoming, investment environment which encourages job production and the development of these resources. We would be sadly mistaken if we relied on tourism only as a means of producing growth in our economy. We must look to the mining industry as a significant producer of jobs in our economy.

Mr. Speaker, common sense also forces me to wonder what impact this Protected Areas Strategy will have on land claim agreements. Will the beneficiaries of settled land claim areas have a say in designating protected areas in their claim area? What about other areas that have been staked, drilled, and investment dollars spent on? The Protected Areas Strategy makes reference to identifying protected sites, which will effect future generation and interested resource opportunities that may come our way. Later today, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Honourable Mr. Kakfwi questions on the strategy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Nunavut Youth Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 693

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend while the Nunavut leaders met in Cambridge Bay, the next generation of Nunavut leaders, the youth, met in Iqaluit. Mr. Speaker, it is important to note that a jurisdiction, a country, a territory, or a province, is judged by its present and future leadership. Mr. Speaker, Nunavut is blessed with the work and quality of leadership shown by people like Raurri Alsworth and Jimmy Onalik.

I invite this House, with the people of the Northwest Territories, to check out a program called the n-files, prepared by the various youth counsels on the present and future view of Nunavut from their perspective. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to take this opportunity to congratulate our youth for the direction, and as Mr. Onalik demonstrated so ably in Cambridge Bay, wisdom beyond their years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 693

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Member's statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Question 178-13(4): Nwt Diamonds Project Environmental Agreement

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 693

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been some time since I had to do this. This in regard to a question asked by Mr. Henry on January 30, 1997. It is with regards to the NWT Diamonds Mine Project on the environmental agreement. Under this environmental agreement, BHP is responsible for providing adequate funding to the environmental monitoring agency. The monitoring agency will be formally established on April 6, 1997. During the first two years of operation, BHP will contribute $350,000 per year to the monitoring agency.

The federal government has agreed to provide $100,000 to the monitoring agency during the first year of operation and thereafter has no further obligation to provide funding. The Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development has agreed to provide $100,000 to the monitoring agency during its second year of operation, and thereafter has no further obligation to provide funding. Therefore, for the first two years of operation, the monitoring agency will have an annual budget of $450,000 per year.

For the third and subsequent years of operation, the environmental monitoring agency will prepare an operating budget for BHP's approval. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 693

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 335-13(4): Seal Hunting Public Image

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 693

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Recent TV programs about seal hunting in southern Canada have hurt all hunters of seals, particularly the Inuit in our communities. The pelts from the seals are a means of income for people in Nunavut. What is the government doing to let people know at the international level how important seal hunting is to the Inuit? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 693

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 335-13(4): Seal Hunting Public Image

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 693

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, on an overall basis to protect and promote the fur industry and the trapping and harvesting of furs, this government initiated a few years ago a minimum price program that allows us to guarantee minimum prices for certain species that our people have traditionally harvested. We are also looking at trying to establish Asian markets, an alternative market for some of our furs, particularly seal, as well as the traditional pelts that we have harvested. Instead of focusing solely on European markets to buy these furs, we are now at this time looking at ways to establish a market in Asia as well. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 693

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 335-13(4): Seal Hunting Public Image

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 693

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is a need to educate people in our area and in other parts of Canada as well. What steps are the government taking to inform other Canadians about our way of life? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 335-13(4): Seal Hunting Public Image

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 693

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 336-13(4): Broughton Island Dew Line Site

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 694

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During my Member's statement, I spoke about PCBs, and when I visited one of my communities we visited one of the buildings. My question is directed to Stephen Kakfwi . I would like to find out what is being done with the old buildings in Broughton Island in the DEW Line site? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 694

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Resources, Wildlife, and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 694

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the DEW Line sites and the assets and buildings that sit on these sites, are currently the property of the federal government. The Department of Public Works is looking at ways to dispose of these assets. Many of the buildings on the DEW Line sites contain paint with a high level of PCBs. The federal Department of Public Works is looking for buyers for these assets. They are also looking for agreement with aboriginal groups on finding a mutually acceptable way of disposing of these assets that contain the paint.

How do you take these buildings and equipment apart, and dispose of them in a landfill site without causing an environmental concern? That is the situation today. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 336-13(4): Broughton Island Dew Line Site

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 694

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you also to the Honourable Minister, Mr. Kakfwi . In Broughton Island, the DEW Line site, I have a concern about the building. I have a concern about whether it is spreading around the area. Can the Minister get his officials to review or look at how far the damage has gone? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 694

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, earlier this year there was an agreement amongst Ministers to agree to a complete ban on land filling waste with materials that have a concentration of PCBs in excess of 50 parts per million. We had originally suggested that more thought be given to this before implementation, however, it was implemented. Now, the Department of National Defence is asking for an exemption, so they can take these buildings and put them into landfill sites since we know that most of these have concentrations as high as 10,000 parts per million. There is no scientific evidence that shows that there is any leaking of these toxins into the environment when you leave them mostly intact.

There is a suggestion that it can be done in an environmentally acceptable way. The Department of National Defence is seeking an exemption from the Minister of Environment at the federal level. They are engaging in discussions with aboriginal organizations to seek potential landfill sites. They are looking for people with a degree to help them dispose of these materials and landfill sites. They are prepared to accept liability for the possible future contamination as a result of this undertaking and would agree to do the monitoring. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Picco .

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Question 337-13(4): Re-structuring The Canada Pension Plan

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 694

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the federal Finance Minister , Paul Martin, recently announced the restructuring of the Canada Pension Plan, or the CPP. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister of Finance from the Northwest Territories Government update this House on what is involved in this restructuring and how it affects us here in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 694

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 694

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have the fine details with me, with respect to the changes under the CPP, but I can give my colleague a general comment on the discussions that took place over the last eight to ten months. There was an overall effort on the part of the Finance Minister to make sure that the CPP is funded appropriately, so we can continue with pensions for generations to come. I think it would be fair to say that, what we call the baby boomers, have put a tremendous strain on the Canada Pension Plan.

There were a number of suggestions brought forward by the federal Minister as to how we could determine some fiscal stability to this long term plan. Suggestions such as: moving up the contributions, increasing the years of eligibility, reducing the company pensions that we have, and a variety of other measures that I do not have at my finger tips at this time. It is my understanding that the consensus has been reached by a number of provincial jurisdictions, and as my colleague pointed out, the federal Minister of Finance made an announcement on Thursday that he was going to proceed with those changes.

I apologize, I am not able to provide as detailed a response as my colleague would like. I can provide him with a full briefing on that issue later on next week. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the fact that the Minister does not have the full details. I do have a supplementary question though. I do understand that a couple of provinces have actually opted out of buying into the new restructure of the CPP. Has the Northwest Territories bought in? If so, what is the impact then for us on buying into the program?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, I thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have supported the federal Finance Minister in the changes that he recommended that were necessary to sustain the Canadian Pension Plan for now and for generations to come. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

My final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister commit next week to providing a briefing to this House and people of the Northwest Territories in this forum so that we can be updated on this situation. There are some Members in this House who are reaching pensionable age, who would be very interested in knowing what is going to happen with the CPP over the next 10 to 12 years, the honourable Minister included. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I am assuming Mr. Picco is talking about himself. Anyway, Mr. Speaker, I do have a full briefing on this and I inadvertently left it in my office. I will provide the undercovering letter to all Members so they understand the ramifications and the changes that will be put into place to sustain the Canada Pension Plan for generations to come, including Mr. Picco 's generation. Thank you.

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Question 338-13(4): Improvements To After Care Services

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , in the area of drug and alcohol. Mr. Speaker, a couple of years ago, a Special Committee on Health and Social Services provided some clear direction to start dealing with health and social issues. In that report, they stated alcohol and drug abuse was identified by front line workers as being the largest concern we face. The report raised concern over lack of certain services. One of the services was inadequate after care. Can the Minister indicate what has been done since early 1995 to improve after care services?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would say that there would be a limited amount of work that had been done since that report came out. That is one of the reasons that we have undergone a major reform of the alcohol and drug treatment programs, and funding throughout the Northwest Territories that was initiated late last year and is coming to a conclusion early this year. Mr. Speaker, thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on that. In the report, it also stresses the need for more detox services to ensure people are ready for treatment. Can the Minister indicate what his department is doing to address the suggestion that there is a need for more detox services to support the efforts of the treatment centres?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has indicated that Delta House needed to be shut down because we have too many treatment beds; however, there is a clear indication that more detox spaces are needed to make effective use of treatment time. Would the Minister be willing to consider the use of Delta House as a detox facility, in cooperation with other treatment centres? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would be hesitant to commit to that at this time, because of the fact that, similar to alcohol and drug treatment dollars, the detox dollars for the Northwest Territories is a flat amount. If we were to offer those services outside of the current programs that we fund for detox, it would create a ripple effect throughout the system. Again, it would have to be taken in the overall context of the alcohol and drug reform throughout the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have heard a number of times that we are waiting for the conclusion of this alcohol reform paper. When will we see that? Will it be in the near future, so that everybody in the territories, in the facilities, the community alcohol drug workers will know where we are heading? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe a lot of organizations, communities and treatment centres have had an opportunity to see the discussion paper that is out there. The thrust of some of the major initiatives is to put the dollars for alcohol and drug treatment to the communities, whether it is through a regional board structure, or directly to the communities to allow them that flexibility to make the decisions in respect to alcohol and drug programming. I think it would be safe to say, Mr. Speaker, that for all intents and purposes, we are almost there as far as a conclusion.

I am looking forward to some of the discussions with committee of the whole on this issue, so that I can get a feel of the acceptability, or the issues that would surround it not being concluded. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 339-13(4): Seniors' Fuel Subsidy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment , in regards to the seniors' fuel subsidy. I raised the issue on Friday and the Minister adroitly and tenaciously stick-handled around the issue with a level of skill that could have put him in the NHL. I would just like to ask if, over the weekend, he has had a chance to ponder on this particular issue, and reconsider whether he would be prepared to say, very simply, that the fuel subsidy program will be included for next year? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, looking at the Hansard for Friday, it appears to me that I have answered this question. I have said that I will ensure that the program will be available to seniors in the next year, and that we will do everything we can, once we have our budget approved, to find out where the funds will come from. I am not certain that we will be able to follow the direction provided by the motion in this House to get the funds from rents, but I do believe that once our budget is approved, we will have the ability to find some area from which to reallocate funds from within, to ensure that there is a program this fall for seniors. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When the Minister was an ordinary MLA, I recollect him coming to the communities on a Special Committee for Social Programs, where he was characterized with a straight shooting, John Wayne kind of manner. It took a bit of work, but can I ask the Minister to confirm, as I sift through his comments today, that ensure means yes?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I do not happen to have a dictionary in my holster at the moment. If my recollection is right, ensure, does mean to make sure, which is very close to saying yes, if not exactly the same. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 340-13(4): Detail On Plan 2000

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation. In the Minister's statement this morning, he indicated that the proposed Plan 2000 will provide for approximately 2000 families to be accommodated into adequate housing. Mr. Speaker, that is probably the best news that we have heard in this House all year. I realize that the Minister indicate that there will be a more technical and detailed briefing forth coming. I believe this type of good news is worth repeating. My question to the Minister is: Can the Minister be more precise, and bottom line just how this will be accomplished? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the initiative that I announced this morning is doubling of the number of houses that we build and fix up each year. One of the ways we plan to do it is to convert the mortgages that are held by clients now through the Housing Corporation system and get back financing. In other words, instead of the Housing Corporation acting as a bank and lending out money, we will facilitate it, and act as a backup to certain clients. We are expanding the Downpayment Assistance Program to encompass more people. We are also planning to install water and sewer systems to at least 240 units during this time, to replace on the old northern rental units.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just one final question. When does the Minister anticipate the target date for this proposal to be commenced?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as we have received the green light from Cabinet to go ahead with this, we will be preceding immediately to implement the plans. Due to the shipping season, I think it would be too optimistic to say that the new houses would be in this year's sealift. It would have to be in the next one. In the western Arctic, with the road system, the extra houses, extra materials needed to start this program will be done later this year.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 341-13(4): NWT Protected Area Strategy

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . The Minister presented a document in the House today, and talked about the strategy. I would like to congratulate the Minister. I think that he talked about many positive initiatives in this document, and about this strategy. I believe it is extremely timely, as we have a resource development industry that is extremely nervous. I think it is fair to say that the concern from that constituency, is that this project will be hijacked by environmental groups and so forth.

I would suggest that the Minister's comments this morning have gone a long way to alleviate those concerns.

My question to the Minister is; I have read other documents from jurisdictions on how they have developed their protected areas, and I understand that there has been financial compensation given to individuals and businesses who can prove a loss of revenue due to the protected areas being designated. Could the Minister inform the House how this strategy that he will develop will determine compensation, if any, to those affected? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think it is important for all stakeholders, including the mining companies, to remember that it is the federal government that announced a requirement to develop a Protected Areas Strategy by 1998. It was the mining industry as well that called for a Protected Areas Strategy when they signed the Whitehorse Mining Initiative Accord. The aboriginal organizations all called for some sort of a protected area strategy in their submissions to the BHP hearings. This government has consistently said that we also support the need to come up with a Protected Areas Strategy.

What is important for people to remember is that it is the federal government that has the jurisdiction over lands and inland waters in the Northwest Territories at this time. It will be the federal government that will be concerning itself with the liability that would arise, if third party interests are unduly compromised as a result of a strategy. It should be very clear that the Protected Areas Strategy conference is being done in partnership with the federal government.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that every effort will be made to recognize existing third party interests, which the mining companies have a great concern about. If third party interests are not respected and are being compromised, then the question of liability will come up. It will be the federal government that will be answering those questions. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to hear that the federal government will have to take on any financial obligations or fall out from areas that may potentially be removed from development. I think that we have all heard the horror stories of the British Columbia government. What they had to pay out in the Windy Craggy situation to Royal Oak. I do not believe that this government could afford to even consider that. Mr. Speaker, I talked about the positiveness of the Minister's statement. That is public record.

The Minister did make additional information available to MLAs on protected strategies a couple of weeks ago. I believe there is excellent information there. My question to the Minister, will he make this information available to the public? I believe it would put additional information out there, and provide much better assurances to all parties. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Yes, Mr. Speaker. We have provided the updated information packages to the participants and the stakeholders who have been invited to take

part in the conference in Inuvik. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 342-13(4): Impact Of Communications Privatization

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services . It is regarding the privatization of voice communications responsibilities and how this has affected the internal GNWT switchboard and the green book, as it is called, which was the government's telephone directory. I have received a message that these services are no longer available due to privatization. I was wondering if the Minister could give us an update on what is happening, particularly with the green book and GNWT switchboard?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I saw that same message that the Member is referring to, which was on the e-mail system for all to be seen. I do not have the details in front of me. I will take the question as notice and provide an answer to the House.

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Samuel Gargan

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 343-13(4): Foster Parent Training

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Following up on this government's many statements declaring that our youth and our children are our most valuable resource, and the recognized importance of early intervention where children may be at risk, children requiring foster care are amongst the most vulnerable and defenceless in our society. The ability of foster parents to meet the needs of these children is dependent, in part, on the level of preparedness and knowledge of foster parents.

What training opportunities are made available to existing and potential foster parents by this government? Mr. Speaker, it is a well known fact that many good homes are lost as foster parenting homes, out of frustration. I notice that recently the Yellowknife newspaper is advertising for more foster homes. I would like to know what the government's position is on training and preparing these homes. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the social workers responsible for child welfare work, on a limited basis, with the foster parents that are recruited. I know it is an issue that we are fully aware of. That is why one of the initiatives in the current budget, within the social envelope, frees up a lot of social worker time in communities. I am speaking of the community supervision initiative with the Department of Justice that will free up that supervision aspect that social workers are currently carrying out in many of our communities.

The income support initiative, which will free up that aspect again of the duties of social workers, to allow them to spend more time on child welfare issues and support issues and working with the foster parents and with parents generally in the communities, to try to bring up that level of child support. Mr. Speaker, thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In terms of a more defined training framework, I am wondering if the Minister, or his department, is aware of the Alberta model, which I understand provides training to foster homes. Then subsequently, when the training has been received, gives them some form of accreditation on a level of one to four, which would then identify them for appropriate placements in their home. I am wondering if the Minister is aware of that very structured training program in Alberta. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of the specifics that the honourable Member is referring to. I can speak on the matter in that the early childhood intervention consultant within our department has been doing some work with the Yellowknife Foster Family Association. In fact, I am pleased to report that they have organized for March 17th to 20th, an intensive training program for foster parents throughout the Northwest Territories that have children with FAS/FAE. That is one of the support mechanisms that is out there, along with any others that we would be working on, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am questioning what kind of co-ordination there is for the resources in training amongst the various departments. I recently ran into a fellow in the Hay River airport, who advised me he had just been down there providing a workshop on abuse. I further checked with some of the foster parents in Hay River to find out if they had been invited to that presentation, and in fact they had not been. Is there someone in the department that actually co-ordinates the activities of someone as capable as this individual was, to make sure that everyone who deals with children that may be affected by abuse would be able to access and take advantage of such workshops and training?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would say that yes, we would try to work with our partners in trying to have it as co-ordinated as possible. In the specific example that the honourable Member has mentioned, I am not sure about the details of that. It may have been for staff, and it might not have been. If it was, it was not meant to be specifically geared towards staff, and certainly it should have been accessible to all interested members of the community, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister alluded to the extra dollars that were identified in the budget address under early intervention. Am I to understand that some of those dollars are going to be accessed, or could be accessed for additional foster parent training? Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot really get into the details of that yet, because it is a joint initiative with Education, Culture and Employment. The Honourable Charles Dent has a lead on that. I know the framework is still being developed, and has not been finalized yet, although we are getting closer to the April 1 implementation date. Mr. Speaker, thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. We have 19 minutes and 34 seconds left in question period. The next Member will be Mr. Ootes . We will recess to 1:30 p.m.

-- Recess

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Samuel Gargan

The House will come to order. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 344-13(4): Mining Regulatory Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, we need to encourage the mining and exploration industry. I was very pleased with the statement that the government agrees with and is committed to, collaborate with aboriginal organizations and the federal government, to pursue continued industry access to lands. Access to lands is a prime need for exploration and mining companies. I was also glad they see the need for a regulatory review identified in the statement this morning. The mining community needs that. Mining companies need harmonization of regulations and an efficient, single system.

They also need land claims settled quickly and fairly, so mining groups can approach land claim groups. They need a data base for geo-science information, access to such a library infrastructure to house human resources and a trained workforce.

My concern, Mr. Speaker, is in several areas here, one being on the regulatory reform. I wonder if the Minister could tell us when the department will start working on regulatory reform. Secondly, how long this may take so that the mining industry can have some indication of what program is being instituted? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I cannot tell the Member at this time, exactly what the timeframes for the review are, specifically the review of those regulations that affect the mining industry. I will take the question as notice and prepare a more thorough response to the question.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance who is looking after division-related issues. Could the Minister indicate, as a result of his meeting in Cambridge Bay this past weekend and time with Mr. Irwin, whether there was any discussion on finances, in regards to the incremental costs? I do not want to interrupt the conversation between you and the Deputy Premier, but if the Minister could indicate what kind of discussions he had with Mr. Martin in regards to costs related to division, specifically incremental costs? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. An electrifying question. Mr. Speaker, unfortunately in terms of the public discussion, I think it would be fair to say that I felt a little disappointed that there was not more discussion on the fiscal framework, as to the new Nunavut government. However, in terms of my discussions with Mr. Irwin, I think there is clearly a recognition on the part of the federal government that we have to move as quickly as we can to start the discussions.

The one thing there was agreement on at the meeting, which I was pleased with, was that NTI, NIC and ourselves concurred that we would, in partnership, move quickly to cost the NIC model, which is showing a decentralized model of government. We would hopefully, when we work out the details, sign off on the costs, in terms of what we think it is going to cost. Then we would move quickly to the negotiating table with the federal government. I think it would be fair to say that there was not as much debate or discussion on the fiscal side of things than I would have liked to have seen. Thank you.

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