Debates of Feb. 3rd, 1997

This is page numbers 337 - 369 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Health And Social Services Reform

Ministers' Statement 38-13(4): Results Of Mary-beth Miller And Moira Green (biathlon)

Members' Statement On Constitutional Development And Self-government Processes

Members' Statement On NWT Senior Hockey Championship

Members' Statement On Reductions To NWT Women's Groups

Members' Statement On Impacts Of Deficit Reduction Strategy

Members' Statement On Inaccurate Statements About Yellowknife

Members' Statement On Impact Of Reductions To Women's Groups

Overview Of Shakespeare's "julius Caesar"

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Funding For Regional Libraries

Funding For Constitutional Development

Process For Letting Construction Contracts

GNWT Response To Nwtta Petition

Student Financial Assistance Modifications

Communication Strategy Update

Origin Of Consulting Contractor

Community Library Funding

Liquor Licensing Board Chairmanship

Appointment Of Interim Commissioner

Summer Employment Program

Family Support Programs

Shelving Of Amalgamation Plans

High-temp Heating System Implications

Central Clearing House For Yk Students

Current Departmental Strategic Plan

Details Re: Reform Review Initiative

Funding For Self-government Negotiations

Item 10: Replies To Budget Address

Item 11: Petitions

Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Reconsider The Decision To Reduce Funding To The Status Of Women Council

Amend Committee Motion 6-13(4) To Add Reference To The Native Women's Association

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd , Honourable Manitok Thompson

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Before we proceed with orders of the day, I have a little message here. I would like to inform the House of the unfortunate absence of the Speaker. The Honourable Sam Gargan, due to an illness in the family, had to return home to Fort Providence. I understand that he hopes to be back in the House tomorrow. I trust you will be kind to me today, as I try and fill in as your Speaker. Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger .

Point of Privilege

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Mr. Miltenberger , point of privilege.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of privilege to clarify, at the first available opportunity, a concern about conflict of interest on my part. Mr. Speaker, Members of this House are very conscious of the potential for real or perceived conflict of interest. When we take office, we declare business and financial interests and set ourselves at arm's length from any businesses we might have. When matters arise in the House, which we are directly involved in, such as a loan from a government agency, we excuse ourselves from the discussion.

Mr. Speaker, I am aware of the potential for conflict and try to be careful on what I say in this House. For all of my colleagues, such as Mr. Picco , I have raised concerns about libraries and I have commented on the role of promoting literacy. I see the role of community libraries as a territorial issue. In this light, Mr. Speaker, I asked the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , questions in the House on Friday, January 31, contained on pages 537, 538 and 539 of the unedited Hansard. My questions were intended to address the territorial-wide concerns about community libraries, just as my colleagues have been raising for a number of days.

However, there was, apparently, some concern over possible conflict of interest, since my wife is a community librarian and I was addressing funding for libraries. On territorial issues, Mr. Speaker, it is difficult to know when we can speak. If a Member has a wife who owns a business, can he participate in discussions on BIP, which could benefit her financially? If a Member's wife works for a women's shelter, is it alright for him to question the cuts to funding in women's shelters?

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Point of privilege.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. We have one point of privilege. The Member for Thebacha is raising a point of privilege. Once the Member for Thebacha has concluded the point of privilege, I will recognize Mr. Picco . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Out of respect for the integrity of this House and the potential for perceived conflict of interest, I wish to advise my honourable colleagues, that I will refrain, in future, from raising the issue of funding for community libraries in the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member mentioned, in a veiled way, my earlier response last week on a question to another Minister concerning spousal assault homes. Mr. Speaker, he has infringed upon my rights as a Member, the Member for Thebacha , in his statement, and I would ask the Speaker to rule that he would strike anything from the record infringing on my privilege as a Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger has raised a point of privilege to a statement that he made Friday and Mr. Picco has requested a point of privilege to allow the debate on the point of privilege on Mr. Picco . To the point of privilege, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the point of privilege that I raised, I think, was a good one, in that the point of privilege was in response to Mr. Miltenberger 's point of privilege on the point of privilege which was a point of privilege. And my point, Mr. Speaker, was well taken by the Members of this House, and that was the Member had a veiled reference to me, when I asked a question to the Minister of Health and Social Services on funding cuts and wage cuts, and the increases to such, on behalf of the dedicated, front-line employees that we had working in spousal assault homes.

I do not think, in his return, that he should have mentioned in passing and he infringed on my privileges, as a Member, when he made that statement.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Picco . To the point of privilege, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not want to engage this House in a protracted debate on this particular issue. I just wanted to point out the difficulty in the area when we want to clarify a point of conflict. Where is that line drawn? I am not sure what the point of privilege is. Is it okay to talk about women's shelters, but not community libraries? Where is the line drawn? It poses a very interesting question to me in terms of the freedom of speech for MLAs in this House in the areas that we can feel free to talk about

when we start drawing these kinds of lines. I acknowledge maybe, I will not raise this particular issue for funding for community libraries, because of that concern. I want to point out to this House that it is not a clear-cut, black and white issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . To the point of privilege, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Miltenberger makes a good point because, over the last few days, I have been questioning libraries. As a person who holds a library card, am I in a conflict? I think his point is well-taken and I would respect your ruling tout suite. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Any further point of privilege? Madam Groenewegen.

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Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to rise on point of privilege today with respect to Mr. Miltenberger 's remarks in this House. If Mr. Miltenberger feels that he said something on Friday that he should not have said, he has every opportunity to stand up and retract those and apologize for them. He does not need to try and implicate everyone else or other Members of this House in his mistake. I do take exception to him referring to the business incentive policy and people who may have a spouse that owns a business.

I not only have a spouse that owns a business, I also own a business and I believe that he is misleading this House, by suggesting that all business deals need to take place in an arm's length fashion.

In fact, if you refer to the Conflict of Interest Act, it says: "When a member or a spouse or dependent child of a member, has significant, private interests that afford the member, or the spouse or dependent child of the member, the opportunity to directly or indirectly benefit from the performance of any of the duties of their office, they are in conflict." I would like to suggest that Mr.

Miltenberger , by his comments, not on a territorial basis, but in reference to Fort Smith specifically and community libraries specifically on Friday, was probably over the line, and he can stand up and he can speak about that and he can retract that, but he does not need to implicate the rest of us by talking about the business incentive policy, which is truly territorial.

He does not need to refer to Members of this House, who may have a loan with the government because he is trying to implicate us all. I do not appreciate that and I do feel he has infringed on my integrity by his remarks. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. I am advised that now we have two points of privilege here. We have a new point of privilege to be raised, I will reserve ruling and provide it to the House. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Mr. Morin , thank you. The Premier .

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Don Morin

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just on the point of privilege, while you are looking at the whole issue under point of privilege and reviewing Hansard, I would request you, at the same time, to review the Member from Hay River's statement. I may not have heard it very correctly but it is my understanding that the general public have available to them, as well as Members of this Legislative Assembly, a process if they feel a Member is in conflict with his duties and that process is through the Conflict Commissioner's office, not to make unfounded accusations across the floor of the House. So that is basically what I am requesting you look at. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The Speaker will be ruling on the point of privileges made in this House. By that matter, we will be checking the Hansard tomorrow. Thank you. If there are no further points of privilege, I have item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 37-13(4): Health And Social Services Reform

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the health and social services system in the Northwest Territories is in need of fundamental reform. As our population grows, the demands placed on the system grow as well. But at the same time, the resources available for meeting that need have been declining. We need to make changes now, to make sure that the health and social services system of the future will be able to meet northerners' continuing needs. This is essential, if we are to maintain and improve the services offered to our residents in the face of shrinking financial resources.

Reform has to be planned and strategic. We need to make changes for the future now, while still meeting the needs of today.

During the development of the 1997/98 business plan, the Department of Health and Social Services received approval to begin the process of strategic reform. We have done this by committing to a principle-based approach and by beginning to work with our partners in the health care system towards the development of a comprehensive, strategic plan.

The strategic plan will give us a vision of the health and social services system of the future and will show us the steps that must be taken to get there.

In his budget address, last week, my colleague, the Honourable Mr. Todd , referenced this strategic planning process, which will provide the basis for the future development of two, sustainable health care systems.

We are committed to a broad and timely public consultation as an integral part of this process. We need to hear from people across the north about what is important to them, about their expectations and needs and about their ideas on how we can reform the system to meet our goals.

In order to prepare fully for such a public consultation, we must first complete a comprehensive analysis of the current system and a detailed assessment of the challenges facing us and the options facing us. In doing this, we also need to take into consideration the extensive work done by the regional boards, especially the needs assessments already completed. We need to build on the work already done by both board and departmental staff.

To help us with the task of integrating our knowledge and experience into a comprehensive and accurate strategic plan, while still allowing staff to continue their essential work of program delivery, the Department of Health and Social Services has taken the step of contracting with a multi-disciplinary group of health and social services specialists.

This consultant group, Med-Emerg International Incorporated, will provide us with an objective look at the data we have collected. They will review the work we have already done on health and social services reform, identify any information gaps, and ensure that our conclusions are logical and consistent with other initiatives at the territorial, provincial, and federal levels of government.

A team from Med-Emerg will begin visits to the NWT during the next two weeks. They will be meeting with employees of the department and boards, our partners, and our clients. In the weeks following, Med-Emerg will review the data and prepare a draft strategic directions document, which will serve as the basis for the plan to be taken to broad public consultation beginning this summer.

To guide the strategic planning process, I am chairing a steering committee comprised of the chairs of the Baffin and Inuvik Regional Health Boards and the chair of the Northwest Territories Health Care Association.

Mr. Speaker, we need to move quickly to develop this new health and social services system. The benefits of health system reform will take years to realize.

One of the challenges we face is ensuring the infrastructure which supports the provision of public health services. Adequate funding is essential for construction of appropriate facilities. However, this is only one very small part of the total health and social services system.

As my honourable colleague, the Minister of Finance noted, simply increasing funding for social programs is not a long-term solution for the future of the health and social services system. Steps must be taken now to reduce future needs for our services. Through the steps we have taken, the Department of Health and Social Services is moving to develop a health and social services system that will continue to meet the basic needs of northerners for years to come.

By fall of this year, we hope to have a completed strategic plan that will serve as the basis for the development of effective, sustainable health and social services systems in two territories well into the next century.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to consulting further with all of you as we move forward with this plan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 37-13(4): Health And Social Services Reform

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Ministers' statements. Mrs. Manitok Thompson . Thank you.

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Ministers' Statement 38-13(4): Results Of Mary-beth Miller And Moira Green (biathlon)

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the World Winter University Games were held recently in Muju, South Korea. I would like to congratulate two NWT biathlon athletes on their strong showing at this competition. Mary-Beth Miller of Yellowknife, was the top Canadian in the women's 7.5 kilometre biathlon, finishing 26th, with a total time of 30 minutes, 36.2 seconds. Moira Green of Hay River, finished 30th in the 7.5 kilometre biathlon, with a time of 40 minutes, 27.2 seconds.

These two young women are also excellent role models for our youth in the NWT through their devotion they have shown to their sport and the many hours they have dedicated to training to achieve success at both the national and international level. They are examples of what our youth are capable of.

Members may remember that both of these athletes were also part of the biathlon team that represented the NWT at the 1995 Canada Games, winning a bronze medal in the relay event.

We should also recognize the support that these elite athletes have received and continue to receive from their parents and their fellow team members, which has assisted them in getting to the level that they are at today.

Mr. Speaker, I am sure that Members will join me in congratulating Mary-Beth Miller and Moira Green for their fine performances in biathlon at the World Winter University Games. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers' Statement 38-13(4): Results Of Mary-beth Miller And Moira Green (biathlon)

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements. Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Members' Statement On Constitutional Development And Self-government Processes

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to support the people in Nunavut, and commend them for the hard work they are doing in regards to their inventions for a government for the east in 1999. But I would also like to state,

in regards to the west, that when it comes to the whole question of constitutional development and division, that the people in the west have to put their differences aside and work towards a process that we can all live with, and the adequate resources have to be there.

Mr. Speaker, the other process that I would like to touch on is the whole question about self-government in regards to the process that aboriginal people and groups are presently under. Mr. Speaker, there have been comments made in this House about the whole question about a million dollars which is going to be spent for constitutional development and self-government. I would like the people to be aware that there are land claims agreements which have been signed with this government and the federal government which clearly states an obligation to settle the whole question about constitutional development and self-government.

Also, I would like to state that the adequate funding for aboriginal organizations in regards to core funding for funding constitutional for self-government talks has not been adequate to date. Yet, we bicker amongst ourselves in this House when it comes to that issue. I would like to state that myself, I do support aboriginal initiatives when it comes to claim settlements, self government talks, and the constitutional process.

But what kind of a message are we sending to the people in the west when it comes to the whole question about funding a process which will either mean to resolve outstanding issues the question about constitutional development for the west.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I hope that we can put aside our differences and assure the aboriginal community and the people of the north that we will work to resolve these issues and not bicker about them in the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members' Statement On Constitutional Development And Self-government Processes

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger , Member for Thebacha .

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Members' Statement On NWT Senior Hockey Championship

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last weekend, in Fort Smith, the community was treated to some extremely high calibre, high intensity hockey with the territorial senior men's championship being held there. Mr. Speaker, there were teams from across the NWT, as well as northern Alberta. There was a team from Iqaluit, Rankin, from the Sahtu, from Yellowknife, Fort Simpson, and Hay River, Fort Chipewyan, and two teams from Fort Smith.

Mr. Speaker, a tournament of this magnitude has a lot of logistical issues to deal with inside and out of the community, and I would like to acknowledge the work done by the person who spear-headed the move to have the territorial championships in Fort Smith, Mr. Danny Brookson. They did most ably by Mr. John Chee and Chris Podiak. Mr. Speaker, as an aging senior hockey player and now an old-timer, I was very impressed by the calibre of hockey across the north. There are some very, very high calibre players that we have the privilege of having live in this territory.

Mr. Speaker, Fort Smith ended up in third place. Yellowknife, unfortunately, ended up in second, and the top prize for this hard fought tournament went to Hay River, the Hay River Ice, and they were a team that was definitely worthy of being champions in this instance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members' Statement On NWT Senior Hockey Championship

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Keewatin, Mr. O'Brien .

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Members' Statement On Reductions To NWT Women's Groups

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to address the proposed budget cuts to the women's groups of the NWT. Mr. Speaker, I can not support this reduction, and find it unacceptable that such a cut is being recommended at this time. Mr. Speaker, I have said many times in this House over the past year, that I agree that we can not carry a huge debt into division, but that I was more concerned with how and where the cuts were being applied. Surely, we are not at the point where we are cutting programs that deliver the most benefit and are most needed. Mr.

Speaker, at the front lines and in the trenches are women's groups working with the many horrendous, and damaging social problems and issues that we unfortunately are plagued with in the NWT. Mr. Speaker, on one hand we are increasing the budget for our social envelope by $9,000,000. On the other hand, we are cutting the funds for the individuals who would provide these essential and humanistic services to our ill and less fortunate northerners. Mr. Speaker, I would strongly suggest that the approximate $30,000 cut be reconsidered for our women's groups and organizations, and for the good work that they do.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Ootes .

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Members' Statement On Impacts Of Deficit Reduction Strategy

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our financial game plan of eliminating the deficit is working. We are completing downsizing of government. We have reduced the capital budget by $50,000,000. We have reduced the PYs this year, or are proposing to reduce them, by about 400 PYs and last year by 400 PYs. Our deficit elimination plan is a success, but we are also creating a northern slump with that process, something never experienced in the history of the government of the north.

While balancing the books is necessary, it is time to move forward, to create a solid future. One of the ways to deal with the social malaise we have here in the north and the fiscal problems, is to induce more jobs and growth. Northerners want jobs; jobs with a future. We need the government to provide a job strategy, a plan of action that involves the resources and energy of every government department and it should involve the partnership with industry, government and business, working together.

Meaningful job opportunities do not just happen. They are created as a result of initiative, and that is what the government is here for, to take that initiative. Two initiatives come to mind: youth employment and infrastructure building.

Last year, I spoke about the need for a youth employment program. Young people face a real challenge here in the north. More than half under the age of 24 are unemployed. We need to increase the number of jobs for summer students.

We need to create hope and opportunity for young people. It should be high on our priority list. We need a strategy to place those who graduate from our colleges and schools and universities. With regard to infrastructure building, this is an area that is an excellent example of job creation. One solution is to form partnerships with the private sector to raise large sums of capital that can be used to build infrastructure and thus create work.

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Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Thank you, Mr. Ootes . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? No nays, continue Mr. Ootes .

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Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in politics we all take liberties, but I have to take exception when public figures make statements about my community that are misleading and inaccurate. Mr. Speaker, in his reply to the budget address last Friday, the MLA from Thebacha made misleading and inaccurate statements in this House about Yellowknife.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

I quote from the January 31, 1997 unedited Hansard on page 552, which states, and I quote, "Mr. Speaker, as well I would like to point out for the benefit of people that things like transfer north of recent military air squadron which brought a huge pile of jobs to the community of Yellowknife, is there, while other communities have experienced a steady erosion as well of federal positions" end quote. I would attempt to respond to what I believe that he is saying regarding the position of the statement about the huge pile of jobs created by the 440 Air Squadron relocated to Yellowknife.

I had discussions with the Department of National Defence officials in Yellowknife, and I am informed that there were 12 jobs created by the installation of the recent military air squadron located in Yellowknife airport.

Not exactly a huge pile of jobs. The MLA's statement which, I believe, also refers to an increase in federal employee growth in Yellowknife is also inaccurate. The reality is that Yellowknife has suffered its share of federal cut backs, with decreases of 27 positions alone at CBC North, as well as reductions at Environment Canada's Atmospheric Weather Service. Human Resources Canada in Yellowknife is down a number of positions from last year. Indian and Northern Affairs' employees are down 4 percent from last year. Mr.

Miltenberger talked about the community of Yellowknife having quadrupled in size since it became the capital in 1967. This may be true, but he neglected to say that Yellowknife was built by private individuals who responded to the needs of the Government of the Northwest Territories, federal government and private sector for office and retail space and other services

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Seamus Henry

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Yellowknife was built by industrious individuals who went to financial institutions and borrowed money. Yes, Mr. Speaker, borrowed money to augment their hard earned cash and invested in infrastructure...

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Mr. Henry , your time has run out. Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

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Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Thank you. Can we have order in the House? The honourable Member has the same privilege as any other Member to make a Member's statement without being disrupted. Mr. Henry is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It takes a little longer to make a statement with all the catcalls and that. Mr. Speaker, something that I think is worth repeating, Yellowknife was built by industrious individuals who went to financial institutions and borrowed money. Yes, Mr. Speaker, borrowed money to augment their hard earned cash and invested in an infrastructure to supply those needs.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

That is how you build a business community. You identify needs that are not being supplied in your community. Go to your local bank. Take out a mortgage. Put up your own cash, and take the risk that goes with. Mr. Speaker, I would like to add that it is a darn sight more productive to do it this way, than complaining about what another community's industrious individuals have, that yours does not have.

person across the NWT has been $1,400. In Yellowknife, it has been $783, which is almost half the territorial average. My fellow Member from Thebacha alluded to Yellowknife as having the largest government budget since it became capital. While this may be true by virtue of our larger population, it certainly does not reflect in the amount Yellowknife receives in capital funding, Mr. Speaker.

There were several glowing accolades to the government on its initiatives, included in the 1997/98 budget by the MLA for Thebacha outlined. I also admit that there are some very good things in this budget, like balancing the books, and not increasing taxes. While the government could have achieved the same result in another fashion is what I believe needs discussing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Members' statements. Madam Groenewegen.

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Members' Statement On Impact Of Reductions To Women's Groups

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Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to provide this House with some examples of the impact that the government's 10 percent cuts will have on women's organizations in the NWT. Ten percent might not seem like much when people are losing their jobs, but we have to look at the impact of 10 percent. Women's Initiatives Grants Program is a source of money for community women's groups, and other organizations. These are the foundation projects that can have a real impact on local people through community women who know what is needed, who are working to reduce social problems where this government is facing the largest incremental costs.

The Status of Women Council is doing other work, like the study on the needs of breast cancer survivors, another on human rights legislation affecting women, work that will help young women to enter non-traditional occupations, work on community wellness, and a long list of other projects, Mr. Speaker. Its ability to continue this work and to provide this knowledge to government and to community women will be hampered. Women's groups at the community level have almost no money to operate, yet the Council will likely be forced to charge them for the information and workshops it has always provided for free.

Women's groups, especially those just starting out, want and need help with board development, proposal writing, workshops on self-esteem, healthy parenting, healthy relationships, family violence, but the Council's already tiny budget for the community worker to give workshops will be cut. Often the Council helps these groups access sources of money outside of the NWT, but that will also be reduced.

Staff of women's organizations already earn less than equivalent government positions, and putting long hours of voluntary overtime because of their dedication, yet because some expenses are fixed, the organizations will have to look at more than 10 percent cut to salaries, when the government only asked their staff to take 6.25 percent. I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, Mr. Speaker, thank you.

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John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Hay River is requesting unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? No nays. Conclude your statement, please. Thank you.

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Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Women are asking, are these cuts fair? Women are wondering what this says about this government's stated commitment to work for women's equality, when it is willing to place so little value on the work of women who are working for women. Mr. Speaker, I hope this Legislature will reconsider its decision to cut women's program funding by ten percent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Picco .

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Overview Of Shakespeare's "julius Caesar"

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, good representation usually brings good government. This morning I spent over an hour and a half attempting to download information on William Shakespeare. There were 1,832 matches for the site. Mr. Speaker, I will now give an overview of William Shakespeare's play, Julius Caesar. The three villains in the play, Julius Caesar, are Cassius, Brutus and Anthony through the use of their rhetoric and deceitfulness. Cassius is the first character that really stands out as a villain. He uses his craftiness early on in the play to win Brutus to the conspirator's side.

"If I have a veil, my look, I turn the trouble of my countenance merely upon myself". Brutus, Act I, scene II. Cassius is consumed with jealousy. His talent for rhetoric is displayed when Cassius goes to any means necessary to convince both the other conspirators and the crowd that Caesar was a totalitarian dictator. Another villain of Julius Caesar is Brutus. The only reason that Brutus fits into the category of a villain is because of the way he betrays a friend. Brutus could have handled Caesar his own way.

He did not have to give in to the crowd, so instead of working out a solution himself, he gave into a solution that would yes, solve the problem but would take a man's life as pay out.

The last villain in Julius Caesar is Anthony. Anthony takes a severe turn for the worse after Caesar dies. While Caesar is alive, he is a very loyal and just to his friend who he appears to admire and respect, but when he sees the opening for power, he does a 180 degrees turn.

What epitomizes this is when he trades his cousin's life for an uncle. I do not believe that Julius Caesar had a snowball's chance in Hades to actually live the rest of his life. When he became that successful, he signed his own death warrant. The three villains who helped him sign that warrant were Cassius, Brutus and Anthony. All doing it for the good of Rome.

Mr. Speaker, my point, of course, is that the information highway and modern technology, the Minister of Education is hoping will replace books is a long way off. The same information, I just read out, would have taken me about five minutes using the tried and true Dewey Decimal system to find and research as facilitated by the regional local libraries and librarians who will not be there if the proposed layoffs and reductions continue. Et tu, Assembly? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Return To Question 93-13(4): Decision To Replace Chair Of The Liquor Licensing Board

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Henry on January 23, with respect to the chair of the Liquor Licensing Board. Mr. Speaker, I have been informed that a letter was indeed sent to Mr. Williams on December 10, 1996, by the former Minister responsible for the Liquor Licensing Board, the Honourable Jim Antoine , informing Mr. Williams that his appointment was revoked effective December 13, 1996. Unfortunately, this letter was returned undelivered by the post office. Mr.

Williams is therefore correct that he did not receive official written notification of the termination of his appointment. Mr. Speaker, I again wish to apologize to Mr. Williams for this unfortunate situation, as I indicated in my earlier response to Mr. Henry . This is not an acceptable standard and it should not have happened. I will ensure that a new letter is immediately sent to Mr. Williams, advising him of these developments, and I sincerely hope that he will accept my apology on behalf of myself, the former Minister Mr. Antoine , and the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Todd . Returns to oral questions. Madame Thompson.

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Return To Question 51-13(4): Status Of Transfer Of An Edo To Hall Beach

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two returns to oral questions. The first one was asked by Mr. Barnabas on November 29, 1996, that is of the EDO transfer to Arctic Bay community empowerment. A letter was sent to the Member on December 12, 1996 during session break to advise him of the situation in Arctic Bay. I stated in the letter the municipal office is fairly new having been completed in 1993. It is able to accommodate perhaps two more people. In addition, there is a possibility that some GNWT office space might become available for the hamlet depending on the nature of future program transfers.

The Economic Development Division of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development is working with the hamlet on the transfer of the economic development function. A draft agreement was provided to the hamlet on Friday, January 24, 1997. Our superintendent in Iqaluit is continuing to facilitate the community empowerment process and will work with the community and departments in the Baffin Region on program transfers.

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Return To Question 147-13(4): Adm For Community Empowerment

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

I have another return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on January 28, the question of the ADM for community empowerment. I am able to advise the Member and this House that four candidates were interviewed for the position of assistant deputy minister, Community Development and Empowerment. Two candidates were northern applicants; two candidates were southern Canadian applicants. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Ningark

Thank you, honourable Minister. Returns to oral questions. Are there further returns to oral questions? Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a former member of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, who is now with the Anglican Church here in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Patrick Scott.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Pat Thomas of the NWTTA who is keeping a close eye on Mr. Todd , for sure. Welcome to the House.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Welcome to the House. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure whether they are here but they said they were going to be. I would like to recognize Mr. Don Webb and his wife, Gwen Webb, two constituents of mine from Fort Smith who are on some business in Yellowknife.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . That was very kind of you but unfortunately, they are not here. Thank you anyway. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 200-13(4): Funding For Regional Libraries

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand that the proposed new funding formula for libraries seems to be very unfair on several levels. Using a formula based solely on population fails to recognize the higher costs

in Nunavut and the dis-economies of scale of providing services to smaller communities. The result is that Yellowknife, yes Yellowknife, the richest community in the Northwest Territories, will have its funding increased at the expense of every other community which currently has a library. In total, funding for communities in the western Northwest Territories, will increase by $100 thousand, while funding for communities in Nunavut, will decrease by $60 thousand. This is not acceptable, Mr. Speaker.

This method of calculating funding levels sets a very dangerous precedent in the division of the Northwest Territories' assets and liabilities. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Can he explain this formula for me?

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we have a proposed formula, I will be happy to explain it to the Member. The Member seems to have obtained a draft, which was not intended for public consultation. As I told the House last week, there was a first cut sent out to regional superintendents for comment before being refined further. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are proposals and then there are prophecies. Some times the prophecy follows the proposal. After saying that, someone else once said that you can find any word in the dictionary, but only if you know how to spell it first. This is the same for the Internet. You have to know how to use it before you can get information from it. So, my question to the Minister is, we do not have supportive regional librarians, and you are reducing the funding as supposedly proposed, can the Minister explain to me who will be providing these supportive services at the community level?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have told Members in this House, the other regions in the Northwest Territories seem to be able to get the services quite adequately. I am confident that we will continue to be able to provide those services in the Baffin and Keewatin after the two positions are eliminated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is very hard to argue against the Minister when he says that this debate, I should not use the word argue because I am not trying to argue, when he says, and probably rightfully so, that those positions will be eliminated. What does that mean when he says eliminated? I have to ask. Does that mean we are not going to have any libraries? Because a library is more than just the people, it is also the services that these people are providing. It is my understanding, Mr. Speaker, that there is a possible increase to the Yellowknife library budget.

Part of this is supposed to go towards supporting interlibrary services in the east. However, I understand the Yellowknife library has a policy that they service their clients first and then send materials out. Can the Minister explain how increasing funding to the Yellowknife library will help provide better services to the Baffin and Keewatin communities, which he is telling me will not suffer? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. I would like to remind all the Members of this House that question period is there to seek information, not to provoke debate. Secondly, I would also like to remind all the Members of this House, when you ask an initial question, you are allowed

preamble. Supplementaries you do not need to come up with a

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are two issues. The Member seems to have confused them by putting them together. One issue is regional librarians. The elimination of two regional librarian positions is contained in the 1997-98 budget. That has nothing to do with books, Mr. Speaker. The regional librarians provide services to support community libraries. The community libraries are not going to receive any less funding in the 1997-98 budget. There has not been any proposed change there at all. What we have started, is the process of consultation, to look at how we might more equitably provide support to community libraries across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Ningark

Thank you. At the same time, I would like to remind the Ministers that are responding to Members to try to be concise with the answer.

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Mr. Picco , final supplementary.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you. My final supplementary then. If there are no proposed changes, then what is this proposal that he is looking at? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. The honourable Minister Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I said there was some consultation that has just started. The process has just started to take a look at whether or not we can more equitably support libraries in every

community across the Northwest Territories. It is a different issue from the regional librarians, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 201-13(4): Funding For Constitutional Development

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Antoine . It is in relation to my statement I made in the House earlier. In regards to the whole question about funding for aboriginal organizations, in regards to self-government talks or the constitutional process, I would like to know exactly how much money has been spent directly to aboriginal organizations for self-government talks? Also, how much money has been spent on the constitutional process to date for the west?

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . I am informed that perhaps it should have been a written question, but I will allow the honourable Mr. Antoine , the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Constitutional Affairs. Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, you are right it is a detailed question and I do not have the figures at my finger tips so, I would like to take this question as notice and provide the answer at a later time. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister is taking the question as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 202-13(4): Process For Letting Construction Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Public Works . Last week I asked several questions in regard to the types of contracts that the government let, and reference was made to public tender, sole-sourced and negotiated. Then in the course of questions, it was revealed that we have requests for proposals, also construction management proposals and site superintendent services. Dealing with the construction management proposal, there is no information released when a contract is awarded under this system.

The price and the reasons for the award are not available to the contractor, nor to those submitting proposals, nor to the public at large. Individual contractors are not allowed to see their own ratings after a contract has been awarded. They should be able to see this, Mr. Speaker, and I would ask the Minister, since this is an issue of disclosure, if he could tell us if my information is, first of all, correct?

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John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the process is that, when a contractor that has bid on a project is unsuccessful, the Department of Public Works writes letters to all unsuccessful bidders on who the winner was and they are given an opportunity to ask questions or ask for clarifications and at that point in time the department is available to discuss the pros and cons of their proposal.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under the construction management proposal, it has been brought to my attention that the amount of the successful bid is not revealed and the criteria for ratings is not revealed to the contractor submitting the proposal. Would the Minister ensure that those contractors who did submit proposals are given their rating sheets, Mr. Speaker?

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Thank you. The honourable Minister for Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, if there is a specific contract that the Member is talking about I would be interested in perhaps getting the file and looking into it. As I said, the process was that if an unsuccessful contractor is interested in how they did and wishes to talk to the people that appraised their proposal and get comments and feedback on how they did and how they can improve, they can in fact do that.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that it is general policy in the construction management proposals that the amount of the award is not revealed and the criteria for making the ratings of the contractors is not revealed. I will ask the Minister again, will he ensure that information is revealed under the construction management proposals for the contractors? Thank you.

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Thank you. The honourable Minister for Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I can certainly look into that. The unsuccessful bidders can, in fact, go and talk with the Public Works and Services staff about their own proposal, but a lot of the times the information in those documents is privileged and confidential, therefore we do not make them available to any others. But I will look into the Member's concerns.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The contractors are not allowed to see their own ratings sheets nor is it announced to the public or to other contractors how much the bids were

for. Will the Minister reveal that information on ratings sheets for individual contractors to those particular contractors?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, there is a process in place and the prices that individual contractors put forward are in fact made public as far as I understand. However, bid documents often contain very private and confidential matters about individual companies, and that was the area that I was talking about. There are changes required to the process on how some of the things are given out to companies. I will look into those concerns.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Honourable Member for Hay River , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The NWT Teachers' Association has filed a petition with the federal government asking for the overturn of the GNWT's Public Service Act, which was recently used to impose a new contract on teachers. It is my understanding that the president of the association, Pat Thomas, has indicated that the petition represents an effort to take every step possible to get an acceptable contract for the teachers. I wonder if the Minister of Finance could please advise the House of the current status of this government's response to that most recent action? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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The Honourable Minister responsible for Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have no response. The NWTTA has filed an appeal to the federal Cabinet to overturn legislation and I say good luck to them.

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Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that the contract with the NWT Teachers' Association is just one of several contracts that are negotiated with territorial employees and the public service, and I was wondering if this is the last and only outstanding contract to be dealt with? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, as you know, we did make an arrangement with the UNW earlier in the year. My understanding is that the NWT Power Corporation has finalized their negotiations and the union is seeking ratification for that. We do not know what the result will be of that. I am advised that their union is going to recommend that the changes that they negotiated, subject to the NWT Power Corporation ratifying their agreement, the only agreement left would be the NWT Teachers' Association.

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Page 346

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John Ningark

Thank you. Oral questions. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 204-13(4): Student Financial Assistance Modifications

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 346

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to direct to the honourable Member Charles Dent , Minister of Education, Culture, and Employment . (Translation ends) student financial assistance. Can the Minister for Education and Cultural Careers confirm this? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The Honourable Minister for Education, Culture, and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can say that I have advised the Standing Committee on Social Programs that, in order to ensure the fiscal sustainability of the program in future years, we are going to have to look at making some changes. It is my intention to introduce into this House a discussion paper later this year to follow up on that process.

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John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Barnabas , supplementary.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Can the Minister tell this House who he will be consulting with in his department? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the intention is to consult not just within the department, but by introducing the paper in this House to ensure that the public has an opportunity to provide comments on how the students financial assistance program should be modified. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Second supplementary, Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) adult student in these reductions.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not certain that I caught all of the Member's question, but it would be premature for me to now outline any significant program changes. There are no changes financially to the amount of support available to students planned for the '97/98 academic year. If we make significant changes, which might effect the financial arrangements, that would be in the '98/99 fiscal year. We are planning to undertake extensive consultations in the interim to ascertain what the public feels is acceptable in terms of changes to the program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 205-13(4): Communication Strategy Update

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 347

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . Last Saturday I met with quite a number of business people in Fort Smith to discuss the economy and issues of concern in the community. They made it abundantly clear to me the negative impacts that they have felt as a result of the government restructuring and downsizing. There is also repeated reference to the lack of awareness of any government plan, other than cutting. In spite of, Mr. Speaker, the work that we have done in other areas and the plans that we have tried to lay out.

Which speaks to the issue that has been before this House for a number of months, in fact since we have been elected, and that is the whole of the communication plan for this government that will clearly outline what we are planning to do, what we have done, our successes, areas we have to work on, and most importantly, where we are going. Can the Minister indicate the status of this particular initiative that has been in the works now for some time? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The Honourable Premier , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Presently Cabinet has approved a communication strategy for this government. We are in the process now of tidying it up and taking it to committee, hopefully it will get to committee this week, or next week, so that we can

schedule a meeting, and next week into Caucus. Hopefully, we will be ready for that. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry , the honourable Member for Yellowknife South .

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Question 206-13(4): Origin Of Consulting Contractor

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 347

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng . Mr. Ng advised us today about the health and social services reform review. Going through this review, I notice the name of Med-Emerg International Incorporated. Can the Minister advise the House if this is a northern company and what their expertise is, as opposed to others in this field. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a company that is based in Toronto. We did take a look at whether or not there was northern expertise, not only in the Northwest Territories, but throughout Canada in this area of medical consultants. It is a very specialized field, and that is one of the main reasons why we picked this group, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Roland .

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Question 207-13(4): Community Library Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 347

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions will be directed to the Minister of Education . Mr. Speaker, I have heard concerns being raised in the community of Inuvik concerning community libraries and their funding. As I heard the Minister respond to the Member from Iqaluit on the proposal that is out there, can the Minister confirm for me, and Members of this House, that there will be no changes to the community library funding situation for this fiscal year? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what I can confirm is that there are no changes proposed at this point in time. We have started the process to take a look at how we might more equitably provide service to all of the communities in the Northwest Territories. I am sure that the honourable Member for Inuvik will recognize that, for instance, the Member who sits beside him in the House has communities that receive absolutely no funding for community libraries. We have to find some way to address that situation. What has happened so far, Mr.

Speaker, is that the first draft of the paper was sent out to ask our regional superintendents for advice on how they felt that draft should be restructured before we broaden the scope of the consultation process. I can commit that I will come back to the committee and this forum will have a chance to comment on any change before it is put in place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister then inform me as to the time line that this would take, for having the consultation broaden out and having input from community members? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know what the time table would be. I would expect that the earliest we could be back with a refined discussion paper would probably be in time for the next session, which might occur in late May, early June. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Second supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform me if the communities that do have libraries functioning, will they be able to receive their contributions for this fiscal year? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are no changes planned currently. We are trying to look at a system that might more equitably provide service across the Northwest Territories. One of the things that is contributing to this, is the development of the digital communications network, which we feel will help provide services in more communities. I do not think that I should say that there will be any change to what the libraries will see in the near future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister be a little more clear? He does not think he can inform me that there will be any change, or will not be any change? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are no changes planned currently. We are looking at changes that may take place eventually, but before any changes take place, they will be discussed in this forum. Members will have a chance to comment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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