Debates of Feb. 18th, 1994

This is page numbers 213 - 241 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Payroll Tax

Performance Of Ministers

Health And Safety Concerns Of People Living In The Bush

The Passing Of Wayne Mctaggart

Inuit Archaeology Conference

Telecommunications Technology

Funding Of Family Violence Programs

Native Animal Brotherhood Statement Re Fur For Fashion

Return To Oral Question 96-12(5): Community Contribution Policy For Recreation Facilities

Further Return To Oral Question 36-12(5): Amalgamation Of Rcmp "g" Division With Alberta

Return To Oral Question 108-12(5): Location Of Additional Housing Units

Further Return To Oral Question 90-12(5): Benefits For Off-highway Communities

Further Return To Oral Question 134-12(5): Social Services' Response To Family Law Review Recommendations

Minister's Remarks Re Payroll Tax

Assistance For Preparing Income Tax Returns

Federal Enforcement Officers For Iqaluit Re Contraband

Telecommunication Services To Small Communities

Student Financial Assistance For Coral Harbour Students

Simplifying Change Of Name Procedures

Food For The North Airstage Subsidy Program

Payroll Tax Return Forms

Acceptable Standards For Animal Traps

Location And Status Of Mr. B. Funston

Status Of Medevac Policy

Payroll Tax Calculations

Health's Involvement In Family Law Reform Review

Government Leader's Stationery

Sale Of Power Corporation's Staff House In Pangnirtung

Tenders For Supply Of Trucks

Policy On Sale Of Power Corporation Staff Housing

Item 9: Replies To Budget Address

Use Of "premier" As Government Leader Title

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation 4

To Adopt Recommendation 5

To Adopt Recommendation 6

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Good morning. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Minister's Statement 21-12(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the Honourable John Todd will be absent from the House today and Monday on personal business. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 21-12(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Payroll Tax

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. In February 1993, during debate on the proposed payroll tax initiative, the Minister of Finance made many compassionate pleas and arguments regarding the objectives and merits of the payroll tax. The main argument used, in one of the objectives of the payroll tax, is to obtain tax revenues from individuals who work in the Northwest Territories, but do not reside nor pay income tax in the Northwest Territories.

The Minister also stated that after years of study, the payroll tax system was determined to be the only feasible method to meet the objective of taxing temporary and non-resident workers. In the recent budget speech of February 14, the Minister of Finance stated that, "This government remains convinced that all individuals who are employed in the Northwest Territories must share in the tax burden. The payroll tax is the most effective way we have to ensure that such sharing takes place." However, on February 15, 1994, in response to an oral question made by my colleague, Mr.

Whitford , the Minister of Finance admitted that not everyone who works in the Northwest Territories has been trapped in the net, for example, self-employed people.

Madam Speaker, these comments and statements give some mixed messages. Initially, when the Minister of Finance was seeking support for the payroll tax bill, he used the argument that the burden be placed on workers from outside of the Northwest Territories. Now he states that this government remains convinced that all individuals who are employed in the Northwest Territories must share in the tax burden, through the payroll tax. Madam Speaker, the public deserves a consistent message. Mahsi.

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Payroll Tax

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The Speaker

Thank you. The Speaker would like to recognize in the gallery, Lucy Filion, from Edmonton and Diane Wearden, from Peace River and their competitive skipping team representing the Heart and Stroke Foundation. Welcome.

---Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Performance Of Ministers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, on behalf of the Ordinary Members' Caucus, I have been asked to advise the Premier , through you, Madam Speaker, that we have some concerns. Madam Speaker, in December, Members and Ministers were involved in the mid-term review. During that review, the responsiveness of Ministers was a key factor in reviewing their performance. Ministers were told that we expect them to be prepared and to treat ordinary Members with courtesy and respect.

Madam Speaker, since the review, there seems to be a somewhat disturbing trend taking place among some Ministers, especially during question period. More than once, Ministers have not answered questions saying they have not been in the portfolio long enough. I must say, Members on this side feel that after periods of three to six months, we expect Ministers to be prepared for question period.

Sometimes it has been obvious that Ministers have not been paying attention and questions have had to be asked again or Members have had to point out that Ministers are not prepared to hear a question when they don't speak a language in which the question is being posed. Other times, Members have been told that if a Member wants an answer to a question, they could go directly to the department. Madam Speaker, Members have a privilege in this House of asking questions that they believe the Minister should have the knowledge of. Members expect to get an answer from the Ministers.

If the Minister isn't prepared to give an answer, he always has the option of taking the question as notice. But it is not considered acceptable, by Members on this side of the House, for a Minister to suggest that a Member should go directly to the department. OMC Members are asking questions which are important to them and to their constituents. Ministers are expected during question period to pay attention and respond as fully as they can. A cooperative relationship will help all of us do a better job for all of our constituents. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Performance Of Ministers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Health And Safety Concerns Of People Living In The Bush

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am not what is called a "linear thinker," Madam Speaker. So I try to get as much in my Member's statement as I possibly can and hope that people can take the messages from it. My statement today owes its origin to three different sources. The fact that we met with the representatives of the Treaty 11 chiefs last night and I had a chance to think about the way things must have been in 1921. This week we also discussed the extension of benefits to hunters and trappers and the fact that there is some concern that perhaps things that go on in the bush are not that serious and we should be looking at their benefits.

Also what prompted my statement today, Madam Speaker, is the continuing debate between smoking and health. I read the other night, Madam Speaker, in the case of snow blindness, many, many years ago it was the custom that if a man were to become snow blind -- on the kinds of days that we're having just about now -- to drag the partner into the bush, open up the eyelids and then proceed to wipe the person's eyeballs with the tongue. That, in fact, cured snow blindness.

However, the text I read from by a Metis elder, which was recorded about 100 years ago, was that you don't allow your partner to do that if he is a smoker. Because, if you smoke and you try to cure snow blindness, then the nicotine from your tongue would, in fact, make your eyes even worse than they were before.

The message I'm giving today is that those people who live in the bush really are afraid of becoming sick, they're afraid of injury, they're very careful and this little incident from the past indicates the degree to which people were really concerned about safety and conducting themselves in a way that make their way of life a safe occupation. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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The Passing Of Wayne Mctaggart

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On behalf of myself and my family, I would like to extend my deepest sympathies and condolences to the family and the many friends of Wayne McTaggart of Fort Norman.

Wayne McTaggart committed suicide a few days ago. A young man who has endured many personal tragedies and difficulties during his lifetime. Wayne had always taken a deep personal interest, in all the years I've known him, in advancing the political cause and fighting for the right and recognition of Metis people, and has done extensive work and has involved himself at great length with the development of the Dene/Metis comprehensive claim that took place during the early and late 1980s. He worked tirelessly for the Metis of his community and the Northwest Territories, and has served as a past executive of the Metis Nation.

More recently, he chaired the Sahtu Land Claim Ratification Committee. He was always seen to approach his work with a sense of commitment and a sense of humour. I must say, in spite of the incredibly difficult issues and conflicts that all of us have endured over the years in our work supporting the cause of Metis people, Dene people, Inuit and Inuvialuit, many of us have found sometimes a need to dip into inflicting upon each other some personal pain, some insults and sarcasm. I must say from a personal point of view, Mr.

McTaggart was one person who has never, in every instance that I've dealt with him, done that to me. In spite of the differences we've had in the approach we want to take to the work, in spite of all his rough edges and his personal background he has never, in my recollection, taken to personalizing the differences that we've come up to on occasion.

He is one person that I know who I've worked with over the years who always conducted himself professionally in working out the many problems and issues that we had to tackle together.

I wish to let the Members know that I've been very, very shaken with the loss of this man. Thank you.

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The Passing Of Wayne Mctaggart

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Inuit Archaeology Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would to inform the House of the meeting that recently took place in one of the communities in my constituency, Igloolik.

During the week of February 7, 1994, the first ever conference on Inuit archaeology in Nunavut took place. The name of the conference was "Ittarnisalirijiit," which means those who deal with ancient artifacts, in Inuktitut. The main purpose of the conference was to find a way for Inuit to work more closely with archaeologists and cultural groups, and also to set up guidelines for a conduct for archaeologists working in Inuit lands.

I've been informed by the co-chair of the conference, Deborah Kigjugalik-Webster, that the meeting went extremely well. I will be tabling, later on during this session, the 20 resolutions that were adopted at the conference. These resolutions range from encouraging archaeologists to involve local people in projects, ensuring projects have the approval of the hamlet councils, the involvement of elders, the translation of reports into Inuktitut, the set-up of regional museums and many others.

I encourage the organizers of the conference to continue with the good work started at this first-ever conference of its type in Nunavut. I want to also assure them that I am committed to actively supporting the continuation of this valuable work in the form of ongoing dialogue and future conferences.

For the information of Members of this House and the public, the conference proceedings will be aired on CBC North, Inuktitut Current Affairs program, "Aqsarniit", on February 23. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Telecommunications Technology

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The other day I was going through some of my things. I was going to clean out my basement and throw out some things. I came across this scrapbook I had that dealt with some newspaper clippings from the launch of the satellite, Anik "A". It's brought back a flood of memories. Back in 1972 when I was attending AVTC -- Adult Vocational Training Centre in Fort Smith -- we had an occasion to participate in this launch of Anik "A" satellite at Cape Kennedy. We raised money and travelled to Florida to be guests of Telesat Canada to see this launch.

It went off almost on

schedule -- a couple of hours late -- but it had a number of firsts, Madam Speaker. It was the first Canadian communication satellite and it was the first satellite that would directly affect the north to the degree that it has. Because it was late, it was also the first nighttime launch of a satellite from the Cape. So it had a little bit of a history to it.

Most people, at the time, hailed this as a great improvement. Something we should be pleased with. But there were sceptics who said it would ruin the north, it would change it forever. It would change the spirit of the north. One thing we do know, Madam Speaker, is that it did change the north. For good or bad, it brought people much closer together. And we took the good with the bad.

In 1979, Madam Speaker, I was there on holidays in Florida, and I also had another occasion to attend the launching of yet another of the Anik class satellites, Anik "C". This was to greatly improve our telecommunications.

Madam Speaker, if I may seek unanimous consent to conclude.

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Telecommunications Technology

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The Speaker

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Whitford .

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Telecommunications Technology

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, colleagues. It would vastly improve our telecommunications network and again substantially improve our lives, as did Anik 1. Today, we don't realize the degree to which we depend on satellites in our everyday living. Members will recall about three weeks ago, we had a major disruption in the north, as a result of solar flares. We lost, not one, but two satellites within a very short period of time. It caused major disruption in the north to telephones, television, fax machines, et cetera. There was a big scramble to get alternate sources of telecommunications as a result of it.

I just wanted to point out that we are dependent on satellite technology and it all began back in November of 1972. A number of northern kids were at that occasion and I am sure they look back with some pride in having participated in that. I just wanted to remember that to the Members, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

-Applause

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Telecommunications Technology

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Funding Of Family Violence Programs

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, last week on the inspiration of Mr. Kakfwi , we had a debate on family violence. It was described in his opening address, "...as a very significant problem that deserves our serious attention." We were reminded that reported violence in the Northwest Territories in the family area is six times the national average. Mr. Kakfwi stated, "This is more than a disgrace, it is a tragedy." And he proposed a demonstration of leadership and commitment in the form of a declaration of zero tolerance.

He acknowledged that this would be a significant step, but cautioned that it would also only be a symbolic step. Madam Speaker, I commend Mr. Kakfwi for clearly leading the way in bringing this critical issue to the fore in this Legislature and in Cabinet and tabling the very thoughtful, Building a Strategy for Dealing with Violence in the Northwest Territories, last fall.

However, Madam Speaker, many people who are anxious for action in this area, are wondering if Mr. Kakfwi is a lone voice in Cabinet. Is he so far ahead of his Cabinet colleagues that he has left the Premier , the Minister of Finance and the Minister of Social Services behind? The Standing Committee on Finance has observed that despite the attention paid by this government to family violence, there is no increase whatsoever in grants and contributions, in family violence prevention services, child sexual abuse programs and family counselling. These are areas where we would have expected to see funding increased in order to make meaningful progress towards zero tolerance.

Madam Speaker, I hope we will soon see that our government's commitment to zero tolerance is more than just words. And I can do no better than quote the presentation from the Status of Women in this House a few days ago. "If this Assembly would commit to healthy citizens as its priority, what then? The dollars, limited as they are, would go to healing first. Everything else waits in line. Do you have the courage to do that?" Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Native Animal Brotherhood Statement Re Fur For Fashion

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have listened with amusement to a CBC Radio interview on February 11 with Peter Hollingsworth, a representative of the Native Animal Brotherhood - Aboriginal People Against Furs for Fashion. In his statement, Mr. Hollingsworth said that the fur trade was morally and ethically wrong and that the fur trade did not exist before the Europeans introduced it to the aboriginal people. Madam Speaker, I would not want to guess what planet this individual is from. What did we wear if we did not use furs for fashion?

When I listened to the interview, the image of natives running around buck naked kept leaping into my mind. I then had this vision of grass skirts and spruce bras.

---Laughter

Perhaps leaves, one for the men, three for the women, step on the blue suede shoes.

---Laughter

Then I thought about the weather up here. Then I thought about the mosquitos. I decided that we probably did wear clothes of some kind. I know for a fact that our people ate wildlife meat and used their skins long before the white man ever showed up. Ceremonial dress, in most aboriginal cultures, involves the use of small animal skins, such as rabbits or beavers.

When this gentlemen says that we, as people, should get out of trapping, that it is no longer economically viable, that our people should become part of the wage economy, that is all well and good, Madam Speaker, when you are from Guelph, Ontario like Mr. Hollingsworth, and have the opportunity to participate in the economy. But I would like to point out to Mr. Hollingsworth that trapping in this day and age is more often a means to an end for aboriginal people.

A person needs to be able to buy guns and bullets in order to hunt so he can eat. To buy these things, you need money. To get money, you have to have a job. There are hardly any jobs up here. So a person has to trap to get money. A vicious cycle, indeed, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker, except for...

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The Speaker

Mr. Gargan , your time has lapsed. Does the honourable Member seek unanimous consent?

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Native Animal Brotherhood Statement Re Fur For Fashion

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Native Animal Brotherhood Statement Re Fur For Fashion

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker and honourable Members. Madam Speaker, except for the natives who sold Manhattan Island for $26 in glass beads, our people are some of the smartest, most resourceful and environmentally conscious people in the world. We have adapted to the most inhospitable climate and conditions in the world. I do not blame my ancestors for wanting to trade with the Europeans for things that would make their lives easier in this harsh land. If the white man wanted ten muskrat pelts for a tin pot, it seemed like a good deal at the time.

Madam Speaker, my message to this House, and to the media, is to please not give too much credence to the position of the Native Animal Brotherhood of Guelph, Ontario, an organization that I think has lost touch with most of their identity and does not speak for a majority of aboriginal people in Canada. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Kivallivik , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Return To Oral Question 96-12(5): Community Contribution Policy For Recreation Facilities

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Gargan on February 14, 1994, regarding community contribution policy for recreation facilities.

The policy with regard to municipal capital infrastructure has evolved over the years in order to reflect the current needs of communities in the Northwest Territories.

The most recent change in policy regarding community contributions to recreation facilities has come as a result of Cabinet's approval of the municipal capital assistance policy, which will take effect April 1, 1994.

The municipal capital assistance policy is a comprehensive policy that applies to all communities in the Northwest Territories for all Municipal and Community Affairs capital programs. MCAP, as it is referred to, ensures a consistent, equitable and fair distribution of all capital programs of the department.

Community contributions under MCAP are based on an ability-to-pay criteria. As a result, all communities will benefit. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Return To Oral Question 96-12(5): Community Contribution Policy For Recreation Facilities

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Further Return To Oral Question 36-12(5): Amalgamation Of Rcmp "g" Division With Alberta

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 216

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is in response to a question asked by Mr. Whitford on February 9 regarding the federal plans for the RCMP "G" division.

We've checked with the department and what we've ascertained is that there are no plans afoot, presently, with the RCMP to amalgamate "G" division with "K" division in Alberta. The RCMP are, however, looking at whether there are any economies of scale to be achieved by having some functions for both divisions served from either Yellowknife or Edmonton. This is what is being looked at, not amalgamation. The RCMP, like other government organizations, is looking for ways to save money without reducing service. Across the country, administration costs are higher in the smaller divisions.

It is in this light that the RCMP administration is examining its organizational structures. This examination, as I understand, is in a preliminary stage. It is not apparent that true economies of scale would be achieved in combining any administrative services for Alberta and the Northwest Territories, mainly because of the great distances involved.

There are also cultural differences between Alberta and the NWT and, therefore, if there is to be a move toward shared services for some functions, we will be encouraging the RCMP to explore the possibility of sharing with "M" division, which serves the Yukon. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 217

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Madam Speaker, I have three returns to oral questions. The first one was asked by Mr. Patterson on February 16, 1994, regarding the location of additional housing units.

The Financial Management Board approved 16 new staff housing units to meet the 1994-95 staff housing shortfall.

The 16 units approved by FMB are for the following communities: Pangnirtung, one unit; Igloolik, two units; Cape Dorset, two units; Broughton Island, one unit; Clyde River, two units; Pond Inlet, one unit; Sanikiluaq, one unit; Arviat, one unit; Coral Harbour, one unit; Pelly Bay, one unit; Fort Good Hope, one unit; Rae Lakes, one unit; and, Snare Lake, one unit.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Madam Speaker, I have another return asked by Mr. Gargan on February 15, 1994, regarding communities considered as off-highway.

Madam Speaker, on February 15, 1994, Mr. Gargan , the Member for Deh Cho , asked me for a list of the communities that are considered off the highway system for the purposes of government benefits. This question arose from the earlier discussion about the settlement allowances being provided for the staff of the alcohol and drug treatment centres. When Mr. Gargan originally asked me why the staff of the Hay River Alcohol and Drug Treatment Centre were not eligible to receive the settlement allowances, I incorrectly indicated that it was because Hay River was on the highway system and settlement allowance was not payable on the highway system.

Rather than providing the list Mr. Gargan requested, I would like to correct the record and provide more accurate information. I decided to provide settlement allowances to treatment centre staff equivalent to those provided to government employees. These settlement allowances are outlined in the collective agreement between the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Union of Northern Workers. The allowances are intended to compensate staff for the higher cost of living in communities outside of Yellowknife and are not related to whether or not the community is on or off the highway system.

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Further Return To Oral Question 134-12(5): Social Services' Response To Family Law Review Recommendations

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 217

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

My third return to oral question asked by Mr. Dent on February 17, 1994, regarding Social Services' response to family law review recommendations.

Yesterday, Mr. Dent asked when the discussion paper from Social Services on the family law review would be available for distribution. The paper will be mailed this weekend to a wide distribution list including Members of the Legislative Assembly, hamlet and band councils, aboriginal organizations, the Native Women's Association and Pauktuutit.

This paper was prepared in consultation with the Department of Justice and is intended to provide potential solutions to the problems identified in the family law review.

I and my colleague, the Minister of Justice , realize the need for a timely response to this report and for an early start on the legislative changes that will be required.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Those are my responses.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 135-12(5): Minister's Remarks Re Payroll Tax

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 217

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. The Payroll Tax Act is now implemented and taxes are being collected. I have a question for the Minister of Finance , based on the statement made in the budget address dated February 14. Can the Minister clarify what is meant by the statement made in the budget address, and I quote, "The government remains convinced that all individuals who are employed in the Northwest Territories must share in the tax burden. This tax is the most effective way we have to ensure that such sharing takes place." Mahsi.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. What that means is that people who earn a living in the Northwest Territories and pay taxes elsewhere in Canada and other jurisdictions were not contributing to the Northwest Territories, prior to the payroll tax being introduced. So what I'm saying

is that we remain convinced that those individuals who earn a living here and file their income taxes elsewhere in Canada, should share in the tax burden of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Question 135-12(5): Minister's Remarks Re Payroll Tax

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

I thank the Minister for that response but I don't read those things into that statement. My supplementary question to the Minister is, have the objectives of the payroll tax now changed whereby all residents of the Northwest Territories who are employed or who work are expected to share in the tax burden through the payroll tax equally with those of out-of-province employees?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Question 135-12(5): Minister's Remarks Re Payroll Tax

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 218

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. People who reside in the Northwest Territories and file taxes here, who earn a pay cheque, are entitled to a tax credit that only people who file in the Northwest Territories can get. That means that most of the people in the Northwest Territories who are employed here contribute to the payroll tax and they are entitled to the tax credit.

I say most of them because there are a number of people who earn investment income, people who draw dividends from companies, people who are shareholders in companies and have some form of receiving funds from those companies, who do not pay the payroll tax. That has been a matter of concern with the Standing Committee on Finance and it has been raised in this House, Madam Speaker. We are aware of the fact and I have tried numerous ways to get all of the people in the payroll tax and I haven't come up with a way to capture those other people yet. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 135-12(5): Minister's Remarks Re Payroll Tax

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Question 135-12(5): Minister's Remarks Re Payroll Tax

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. The Minister mentioned the payroll tax credit for northern residents. If most people are like myself, I usually file on the last possible day, which is near the end of March. Can the Minister, in the near future, table in this House the forms that residents will have to use in claiming this tax credit?

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Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, those forms are provided to people in their tax package that comes from Revenue Canada. I will table a facsimile of that form. As I said earlier, we will be putting ads in papers and advising people across the Northwest Territories that they should fill in that form to get their tax credit from the Government of the Northwest Territories and they should also fill in the forms with regard to child tax credits. Yes, I will table a facsimile in this House, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 136-12(5): Assistance For Preparing Income Tax Returns

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 218

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance . It has been a day or two since I indicated that the unemployed people are numerous in the Northwest Territories and they are having difficulty getting their income tax returns done. Can the Minister of Finance indicate to me whether he has considered the concerns I addressed during my Member's statement regarding income tax returns? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, I am more aware now of the problem raised by the Member. I am looking at the situation, but I must tell this House, that the government has no program whereby it could send accountants into communities. I am looking at the problem. We have also been in touch with the federal Department of Revenue and sent down information with regard to the difficulty people have in filling out their tax forms, the language difficulty and I have taken the liberty of sending down copies of letters that I have sent to Mr.

Pudlat in his own language, to make the federal Finance Department more aware of the problem. So I am looking at it. I don't have an answer, at the present time, but I will next week, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 137-12(5): Federal Enforcement Officers For Iqaluit Re Contraband

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 218

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Minister of Justice will recall my statement expressing concern about the presently serious and possibly growing problem of contraband in Iqaluit. I wonder if the Minister has had an opportunity, as I had suggested, to pursue the matter of acquiring federal enforcement officers in Iqaluit, and perhaps elsewhere in the Northwest Territories, through the RCMP? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Page 218

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The staff within the Department of Justice is meeting with officials

from the RCMP this morning and, following this meeting, there will be more information available as to an assessment in response to the question the Member asked earlier. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 219

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am pleased to hear that. I would like to ask the Minister, was my assumption correct that these, I think they are called FES officers, if they are approved, would be paid for 100 per cent by the federal government, rather than under the cost-sharing arrangement for regular members of the RCMP? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 219

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

I am not clear on that question, Madam Speaker. I do know that before we provide any sort of response to the issue regarding customs and smuggling, illegal sale and transportation of goods in the eastern Arctic, we need to meet with the RCMP to have them share their assessment of the situation to get some idea of their perspective on the situation. Following that, we will have more information to share with the Member. Hopefully, that will be within the next couple of hours. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would also like to ask the Minister if I am correct that part of the federal government's response to the cigarette smuggling issue in Quebec and Ontario has been to allocate more money to the RCMP nationally to deal with this smuggling problem in Canada? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, it is with interest that I have been following some of the coverage through CBC and other networks. I thought I saw an old friend being interviewed on the CBC special the other night.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Question 138-12(5): Telecommunication Services To Small Communities

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 219

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of DPW and it is with regard to telecommunication services to small communities. I understand that this government hasn't supported NorthwesTel's rate increase because of the fact they are not providing some services to small communities. I appreciate that. But has any progress been made with regard to NorthwesTel providing telephone services to the small communities such as Kakisa, Jean Marie River, Trout Lake, Colville Lake, Nahanni, et cetera?

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The Speaker

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Page 219

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As Members know, I made a presentation to CRTC and we intervened on NorthwesTel's application to raise the rates in the Northwest Territories. It must have done some good because CRTC didn't allow them to raise the rates. CRTC also directed them to come up with a plan by June 20, 1994 to present back to them as to how they would service the non-serviced communities, and also how they would upgrade the service in those that have minimum service. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Aivilik .

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Question 139-12(5): Student Financial Assistance For Coral Harbour Students

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 219

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education . Respecting my question yesterday, I was still unsure from his response whether there is a mutual understanding and acceptance from his department, especially from student services and Arctic College, respecting Mr. Comerford's letter rejecting the applications for financial assistance for Coral Harbour arts students that are being held right now.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Minister of Education , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just to indicate to the honourable Member that from the analysis that has been done, the program and project that has been proposed in Coral Harbour does not fit within the guidelines of the student financial assistance program. What I will do and commit to the honourable Member is to review the circumstances and ensure that there is a fairly reasonable

understanding about how the financial support can be provided to that particular program. But under the present circumstances the program falls outside the student financial assistance program.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Is the Minister then indicating to me that there is disagreement between Arctic College and the Department of Education, financial assistance

section regarding this particular arts course?

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This particular course I'm talking about is sponsored in Coppermine, Coral Harbour and Hall Beach. Three communities in which the same course is organized and sponsored by Arctic College. Isn't it ordinarily the case that students in most Arctic College sponsored courses are automatically approved for Northwest Territories student financial assistance?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

No, Madam Speaker, thank you. No, not all students are automatically approved. It depends on the program itself, the manner in which that program is designed, and whether or not it is an acceptable credited program, and as such is considered to fall within the student financial assistance. There are some other financial programs that are available to students. It depends on what financial programs they are associated with.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My final supplementary, will the Minister find out why there was a disagreement between Arctic College, if there are any, in Mr. Ernie Comerford's letter of rejection, and show the cause why there is particular...This case seemed to be kind of remote because most of the Arctic College sponsored ones are usually accepted by the Department of Education, naturally. Would the Minister report why this one is somewhat odd?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, I will look into the matter. However, again, I want to advise the honourable Members of this House that not all programs are financed under the student financial assistance program because they don't fall within the categories of the assignments that are made. I will look into the matter for the honourable Member and advise him of the nature of the discrepancies and the differences of the program that is offered by Arctic College.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice with regard to a change of name procedure issue which was raised during the last session, and the difficulties in the legalities and the costs associated with the process. At the time, the Minister stated he would look into the matter and prepare some sort of response. At this time, I would like to ask the Minister what kind of progress he has made in that regard. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, yesterday I asked the department to provide me with a briefing note as to the work done to date on this request, and I haven't received it as of yet. Probably by Monday I will be sharing information with the Member since I know it's something that has been a serious request made and taken seriously, however I'm not clear on where the department is in preparing a response to it. So I will commit to providing that on Monday. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 141-12(5): Food For The North Airstage Subsidy Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct for the Minister responsible for Government Services, under whose jurisdiction I believe this might fall. He can correct me, if it isn't. It's a matter concerning the eastern Arctic communities. I think my honourable colleagues are more than well aware of how expensive it is to provide fresh food into the communities, other than country food, but things that are of a necessity in the communities.

Over the years, a program had been developed through Indian and Northern Affairs and Canada Post, I think it was called food for the north airstage subsidy program. I believed, and so did the Members believe, that it was designed to offset the cost to individuals for bringing in food. This program is, of course, very costly and it comes under review. I think we discussed this in the House a few years ago, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister what is the intention of this program, perhaps more, who is it there to serve?

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Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Food mail subsidy program is a program of the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development. The Department of Indian Affairs has made an annual contribution of $15 million to Canada Post Corporation, since 1991. The reason for this program is to bring down the rates of mailing food to isolated northern communities. That program has been successful in reducing the costs of shipping nutritious and perishable foods, such as dairy products and vegetables, to a number of remote communities in the Northwest Territories that are only serviced by air. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In discussion with my colleagues, they certainly appreciate the value of this program, and they are concerned that if it would ever be terminated because of the high costs. Is this program, Madam Speaker, designed to assist construction companies that go into build buildings in communities? Say, this budding mining industry, exploration companies, are they part of this program as well?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My understanding is that this program is designed to service the remote communities, it's not designed to be a subsidy for mining companies or construction companies. I guess there has been some concern raised because there is a possibility that there might be a reduction in this program. So I have written a letter to the Minister of Indian Affairs on this issue, already, basically letting him know how valuable a program it is for Northwest Territories residents and encouraging him to keep it in his budget. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Am I correct to understand that the Minister has undertaken to look at the concerns that my colleagues and I are expressing concerning the misuse of this program?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to thank the Member for raising this issue in the House and raising it to the public. I was unaware that mining companies or other people were trying to use this program, other than it being used for getting food into small, remote communities. I will follow up on that issue. I have followed up already on the issue that people have raised a concern of a reduction in the program, but I will follow up to see if people are trying to misuse the program. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 142-12(5): Payroll Tax Return Forms

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance . It also has to do with the payroll tax. Madam Speaker, I have in my hand today a copy of the payroll tax annual return which many businesses in the Northwest Territories will have just gotten a copy of, or recently gotten a copy of, because it required to be filed with this government by the end of February. Madam Speaker, looking at the form it's clear that the Department of Finance is probably as confused as any of the people who have to try to fill this form out.

It's very interesting that, for instance, Madam Speaker, the word remuneration is used four times in the text on the form, and twice it's spelled incorrectly and twice it's spelled correctly. I would think that on a government form we could at least check the spelling before we send them out.

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Madam Speaker, according to this form -- and here's my question for the Minister -- the employer must provide the name of each employee who worked in the NWT in the year. I would like to ask the Minister, what is the purpose of asking that question.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, it has to do with cross-referencing who was working for what companies and whether they were from the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. I'm not sure I understand why we would have to cross-reference them, but I guess I can assume that's the reason employers would also have to supply the social insurance number of all employees who worked in the Northwest Territories. The form also asks for employers to provide the gross annual remuneration -- actually, it says renumeration here -- subject to payroll tax of each employee, the gross remuneration paid to each employee and the total amount of tax collected from each employee.

Still, Madam Speaker, I'm not sure why we need all of this information other than perhaps a big brother syndrome. In particular, why does the department need to know the total amount of tax collected from each employee? This form doesn't say payroll tax, it says tax collected. So why does this department need to know how much total tax was collected from each employee?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I'll have to go and check whether it means payroll tax or it means total tax. I would point out to Members that in the legislation, as I recall, there are allowances in there for overpayment or underpayment by employees. So I think what we're looking for is to ascertain if employees paid too much tax or too little tax, mostly if they paid too much tax because I think in the legislation they have the ability to appeal that they have been taxed too much. I think that's our way of checking it. I'll take the question as notice and provide an answer next week, Madam Speaker.

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Question 143-12(5): Acceptable Standards For Animal Traps

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 222

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Renewable Resources . In his statement earlier this week, he mentioned that the European market for furs is very important and we need to protect it. I agree with that statement. I know, Madam Speaker, that there has been a group who are working on trapping standards. This is an international group, to make sure that the trapping research is done by each country and province. I wonder, Madam Speaker, what stage are they at in terms of allowing the trappers to use methods that are acceptable to the trappers. Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, there is an organization called the International Standards Organization which has been working on behalf of a great many countries to develop and draft proposed standards for what would be called acceptable standards for trapping. Those are considered humane or fall within the definition of quick kill. As Members should be aware, it's our belief that organizations such as the international animal rights organizations, when they first proposed to try to wipe out the fur industry, by demanding certain standards they thought we would not be able to meet them.

However, we have, for instance, banned the leghold trap for most small species. The progress we've made in meeting the demands of the Europeans, but also ourselves within Canada has been very good. Now that they see the progress, it is our view that many of the animal rights activists are now trying to discredit the work to develop acceptable standards for any type of trapping. They are suggesting that all trapping is inhumane and, therefore, no standard is acceptable. One of the organizations that is now being attacked is this International Standards Organization.

It met recently in Ottawa and some of the animal rights activists came in from Europe and were directly involved in some of the discussions and lobbying. What has resulted is no decisions by this organization to accept the draft standards. They will defer to individual countries to make up their own mind to be decided later if standards are acceptable or not. So there is some cause for concern. Those are the developments to date. Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Is the request from Canada to extend the period for one more year to allow trappers to use the old method still in place?

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Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. Madam Speaker, the European Commissioner, part of the European Parliament, is set up by the member countries. It is the administrator/management body that works and carries out some of the decisions made by the European Parliament.

It is this commission that has asked its underlings to draft a report that would assess whether or not the regulations passed by the European Parliament are being met, what is the definition of "significant progress," and whether these middle-management staff can muster up some substantive arguments for saying certain countries, for instance Canada, has made significant progress, therefore, should be granted the additional year as laid out in the regulation. Again, we have questions about that, and some concerns I personally have, because some of the staff involved are known animal rights activists.

I am hoping that they carry out the work professionally, aside from their own very strong personal biases and follow the spirit and intent of the regulations, which would be very clear that Canada has made significant progress and should be allowed the additional one year to meet the remainder of the demands set out under the European regulations. Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The international working group that was setting standards met in Ottawa. My information is that the meeting -- I believe there are 12 counties involved in that working group to set up a trapping standard -- broke down. Eight countries didn't want to pursue trapping research. Only four countries agreed that they should work towards trapping standards. Does that group still exist or has it been abandoned by eight countries? Thank you.

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Thank you. If I could just remind Members, when you are doing your supplementary, please keep it as brief as possible. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

There was a technical committee set up by the international standards organization, which has approximately 120 countries that belong to it. The technical committee set up had seven countries involved in it. One of the things the animal rights activists are doing now is questioning whether or not these member countries are unbiased enough to present credible work. So the credibility of the member countries has been under attack by the animal rights activists. As I said, the technical committee presented its work.

There is no agreement on how to proceed except to give member countries some time to decide whether or not to accept the work of the technical committee to date. The technical committee may or may not have finished their work or may be at an impasse at this time. But the International Standards Organization continues to exist.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. If the technical committee of that group no longer exists, what are the consequences to the trappers in the Northwest Territories, for them to be allowed to sell furs to the Europeans?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, under the decisions of the European Parliament, December of 1994 is the closing date for the import of wild furs caught by leghold traps. The debate right now is whether we have to comply with all of the demands of the European Parliament across Canada before we are allowed to continue exporting wild fur to Europe. The consequence of a decision by the European Parliament not to allow extensions or to be very rigid in saying that all of their demands have to be met before they will allow further import of wild fur, would wipe out trapping as an economic activity for the people of the Northwest Territories, and Canada for that matter. That would be the consequence.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 144-12(5): Location And Status Of Mr. B. Funston

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs . I had the pleasure, three years ago, of serving with the Minister on our constitutional committee. I learned a lot from it. Prior to that process, there was a transfer of one person from Yellowknife to Ottawa because this person was our constitutional expert. I got to know him and I think he is an incredibly able individual. Would Mr. Kakfwi indicate whether Mr. Funston is still in Ottawa and still working on constitutional matters.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the person who the honourable Member is referring to is presently having discussions with myself and the deputy minister to discuss what areas of work we have identified, which I outlined roughly the other day. What areas he may be interested in, if any, and what type of other opportunities may be available to him within the ministry and perhaps in other areas of the government. That has not been concluded at this time. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Since there were several people who were dedicated to that task of working with the Minister on renewal of our Canadian constitution, and since that is dead now, and the only constitution that is going on that we are directly involved in is developing the constitution for the western Arctic, has some thought been given to returning those individuals to assist with that process, even though I know it is not a government-run project, we still support it.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the government and myself, as Minister, have given that some serious thought. The message has been conveyed to the chairman of the Constitutional Development Steering Committee that if there is staff available in the government who they are interested in and if the Members who make up the steering committee wish to request government staff, they have been told to feel free to do so. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 145-12(5): Status Of Medevac Policy

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health . It is my understanding that the department is developing a medevac policy for air carriers. I would like to ask the Minister what the status of that policy is and what areas are taken into consideration in that policy?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The department has developed two papers. One deals with medevac standards for the aircraft and the other one deals with staff. Those two papers have been given to the health boards and we are anticipating their responses in the next little while. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Are regionally-based air charter operations taken into account in the development of these policies?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It doesn't deal with where the aircraft comes from. That is the next stage. This merely deals with the standards of the aircraft that are required to medevac patients between communities in the Northwest Territories and out of the Northwest Territories. Once we have established those and the boards have agreed with us on the standards, we will sit down with the boards in April, in Spence Bay, and discuss how we go about making aircraft available to health boards for the efficient transportation of people in the Northwest Territories who need urgent medical care. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Currently, who determines where the aircraft originate for medevacs? Thank you.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, the medevac area is very complex and I am approaching it with some caution. So you will have to excuse me. There was a problem that brought this to light and it was raised by Mr. Dent some time ago. So we are working our way through the process now. We have developed the terms of reference and standards for the medevac policy, in consultation with the experts in the field and have provided that to the health boards.

The health boards have advised me that they will look at these documents and this is a good step, but we want to be actively involved with you in how to decide which aircraft to choose and where those aircraft should be located. I will say that I have told the health boards that I am more interested in regional aircraft, than having one central aircraft facility. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 146-12(5): Payroll Tax Calculations

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Finance concerning the payroll tax. Again, referring to the form, as the Minister looks into the details of what is on this form, there is another real problem. Taxpayers are asked to put down their gross annual remuneration and the calculation is times .01 to get their payroll tax calculation. The problem, of course, is this was started on July 1. So if they put their gross annual remuneration times .01, they will pay twice as much tax as they shou