Debates of June 13th, 2008

This is page numbers 1249 to 1300 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 66-16(2) Senior Citizens’ Week And World Elder Abuse Awareness Day

Minister’s Statement 67-16(2) Aboriginal Graduation Ceremony

Elder Abuse Awareness Day

Dental Surgery Services In The NWT

Reflections On Father’s Day

Dene Traditional Skills Program

Aklavik Access Road To Gravel Source At Site 467

Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

Renovations To Address Mobility Issues At Aven Court

NWT Housing Corporation Seniors Home Repair Programs

Reflections On Father’s Day

Improvements For Highways In Nahendeh

Water Safety Programs Offered By Town Of Inuvik

Congratulations To Peter Boggis, Recipient Of Millennium Excellence Award

Recognition Of Pages From Deh Cho

Recognition Of Pages From Inuvik Boot Lake

Question 328-16(2) Seniors Home Repair Program

Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

Question 331-16(2) Renovations At Aven Seniors’ Facilities

Question 332-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

Question 333-16(2) Teacher Housing Issues In Nahendeh

Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

Question 335-16(2) Integrating Residential School History Into Curriculum

Question 336-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

Question 337-16(2) Access To Addiction Treatment Services

Question 338-16(2) Land Claim Beneficiary Payments As Part Of Income Support Review

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Question 24–16(2) Costs Of Hauling Gravel

Bill 5

An Act To Amend The Maintenance Orders Enforcement Act Bill 6

An Act To Amend The Residential Tenancies Act

Tabling of Documents

Bill 12

An Act To Amend The Human Rights Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Transportation

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Executive

Committee Motion 61-16(2) To Develop A Strategic Plan To Provide Meaningful Support To The Voluntary Sector (Committee Motion Carried)

Committee Motion 62-16(2) To Respect The Participation Of Regular Members On The Strategic Initiatives Committee (Committee Motion Carried)

Committee Motion 63-16(2) To Develop A Strategy To Increase Aboriginal Employment (Committee Motion Carried)

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Finance

Committee Motion 64-16(2) To Undertake A Functional Review Of The Liquor Commission And The Liquor Licensing Board (Committee Motion Carried)

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Financial Management Board Secretariat

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 10 a.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Welcome to the Chamber. Orders of the Day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Seniors , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Minister’s Statement 66-16(2) Senior Citizens’ Week And World Elder Abuse Awareness Day

Ministers’ Statements

Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, June 15 to 21 is recognized as Senior Citizens’ Week, which is a special opportunity to recognize and acknowledge our seniors and elders. Senior Citizens’ Week is an opportunity to highlight the important contributions of seniors in all our northern communities. The theme this year is Seniors and Elders Leading to a Better Future.

Our seniors are the foundation of our culture, the holders of our tradition and active members of our society. Seniors have a lot of knowledge to share with us and must be respected.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, June 15 is recognized as World Elder Abuse Awareness Day. The international theme of this day is My World… Your World… Our World — Free of Elder Abuse.”

While about 80 per cent of abuse or neglect of seniors is hidden or goes undetected, there is an increasing concern in the NWT about the abuse of seniors. We must work together to confront this issue and put an end to the silent pain many of our seniors endure.

Mr. Speaker, we would like to take this time to recognize the efforts of the NWT Seniors’ Society, a hard-working board of directors, and also many of the elders in the communities across the NWT.

We would also like to show gratitude to the many individual seniors throughout our smaller northern communities who share their knowledge and volunteer their time to organize events. They bring their communities together through these efforts.

We would also like to congratulate Mabel Collinson of Yellowknife, who was the recipient of NWT’s Outstanding Elder Award for her volunteer work. This award is presented by the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, in partnership with Volunteer NWT, to individuals and groups who have helped to improve the quality of life in the NWT through their work as volunteers.

Mr. Speaker, I am joined by all Members in thanking our seniors and elders across the NWT for the strong roles they play in our families and our communities. We pay special recognition to you during Senior Citizens’ Week; however, our seniors remain dear to our hearts all year long.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 66-16(2) Senior Citizens’ Week And World Elder Abuse Awareness Day

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Ministers’ statements. The

honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 67-16(2) Aboriginal Graduation Ceremony

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, this Saturday aboriginal graduates, families and friends will meet at the Yellowknife River to celebrate their educational success. It will be the fourth annual Honour ceremony for aboriginal graduates. This special ceremony, held on traditional aboriginal lands, recognizes the importance of heritage in graduates’ identities as well as their past and future successes.

This year 65 aboriginal graduates have been invited to participate in this celebration, including 30 students from Sir John Franklin High School, 22 from St. Patrick High School, and 13 from Aurora College Yellowknife Campus.

The Honour ceremony was created four years ago to focus on the successes of young aboriginal Northerners and to make a special place for tradition and celebration. It is a true community-based event made possible by the work of many volunteers, led by Jane Arychuk and including Roberta Kendi, Doreen Cleary, Brenda Dragon, Johnny Bowden, and Al MacDonald. This celebration is made possible through broad community financial support, including many local businesses, as well as some in-kind support from the Government of the Northwest Territories and from Indian and Northern Affairs Canada.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to participating in this event this weekend as it shows a glimpse of the success and energy that is building in our communities around us.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 67-16(2) Aboriginal Graduation Ceremony

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Elder Abuse Awareness Day

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and happy Friday the 13th . As mentioned earlier, this Sunday,

June 15, is World Elder Abuse Awareness Day, and I’m going to do my part today to raise the awareness of elder abuse.

Elder abuse is a significant threat to the residents of our communities, as Members well know, and it’s a problem in both small communities and larger centres. For many years elder abuse remained a private matter hidden from view and not talked about. Thankfully, in the last 30 years or so elder abuse has become increasingly more important to our society and is now seen as a public problem needing attention.

The World Health Organization report called Missing Voices stated that “abuse, neglect and financial exploitation of elders are much more common than societies admit.” The same report demonstrates clear links between elder abuse and disempowerment and discrimination of elders.

Elder abuse is defined as any kind of physical, sexual, psychological or economic abuse, as well as neglect. Perhaps surprisingly, male elders are at almost the same risk for abuse as female elders. Family members extort money from their elders or force them to sign over property. Elders are taken advantage of because they are physically frail or have diminished mental capacity. They are an easy target, unfortunately.

It’s probably no surprise to anyone here, Mr.

Speaker, that elder abuse happens in

institutions as well as private homes. Many of us will have seen documentaries profiling the abuse of elders in hospitals, nursing homes and other long-term care facilities. One of the few studies available on elder abuse suggests that 4 to 6 per cent of the elderly have experienced some form of abuse at home.

Our elders should be respected and honoured. They hold the wisdom, the history and the knowledge of our communities and our territory. We cannot ignore elder abuse, and understanding it gives us the power to fight it. What’s needed is for society to recognize that elder abuse and neglect is occurring and to raise our awareness of the problem. We need to inform health and social service practitioners and the general public about elder abuse — ensure that they can identify the signs and know where to find help.

We need to use the media to change attitudes and reduce stereotyping of the elderly, and we need to educate our elders as well. All of these actions help to bring the problem of elder abuse out into the open, to acknowledge that it is a problem, and then we can start to eradicate it.

On Sunday find an elder, show them the respect they deserve and let them know you care.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Elder Abuse Awareness Day

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Dental Surgery Services In The NWT

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. On

Wednesday the Member for Tu Nedhe asked the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services some questions concerning dental surgery services. I was disappointed to hear that dental surgery services have been discontinued and will not be offered at any health service facilities in the NWT. This decision is causing prolonged pain and suffering for young kids throughout the NWT.

According to the unedited Hansard from Wednesday, June 11, Minister Lee indicated,

“We feel that there is room for us to negotiate, because the dentists are getting most of the coverage for providing that service or are compensated for that. We also feel that the federal government should step in to covering the dental surgery costs, because it is a question of long-term oral health of our residents. I am investigating this, and I’m looking at the possibility of making this service available in either Hay River, where there is room for that, but probably not in Stanton, because they are fully occupied.”

Although I am very pleased to hear that the Minister is investigating the possibility of making services available, I do have a couple of concerns with her statement.

First, oral surgeons are paid for procedures based on a set fee structure. As a result, they are paid exactly the same for the same procedure whether it is performed in a clinic or in an operating room within a health facility. Unfortunately, it is not possible to perform large procedures on small children in clinics, as the children often need to be under general anaesthetic. Expecting the oral surgeons to take a pay cut from this fee structure because they’re performing a procedure on a child in a health facility is unreasonable. The pain and suffering of children should never be used as a bargaining chip.

Second, I don’t understand why Stanton Territorial Hospital won’t be considered. Dental procedures have been performed there in the past. I had all four of my own wisdom teeth removed at Stanton when I was a kid. Stanton keeps an OR room open most days. They have also traditionally closed the OR room for the majority of the summer break. In the best interests of children I believe that room can be found within this

schedule at Stanton, as well as at the Hay River Hospital.

Mr. Speaker, I do agree with the Minister that the federal government should step in and pay the costs that they are responsible for. I continue to encourage the Minister to continue her efforts in this area. There are approximately 430 — 130 in the South Slave, 300 in the rest of the Territories — young children waiting for oral surgery. They are prioritized based on pain. Because of this government’s concern about whether or not dentists take a pay cut to perform surgery in the GNWT facilities, this number is increasing daily and northern children continue to be in pain.

Mr.

Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to

conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Dental Surgery Services In The NWT

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

You may conclude your statement, Mr. Abernethy .

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Dental Surgery Services In The NWT

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If a child waits too long, damage to their teeth can reach a point of no return, resulting in permanent gum, bone and tooth damage — something that will last their lifetime. Is this pain and suffering that the federal government and this government is inflicting on these children really worth the couple of dollars that the Minister is demanding out of oral surgeons and the feds are refusing to pay? I don’t think so.

Currently these suffering children are sent to southern institutions to have their oral surgery completed. This is increasing the waiting list, costing the GNWT additional money — probably a lot less than performing the surgery in the NWT — and does not contribute to the economy of the NWT. I believe that if the Minister were to complete a full cost accounting analysis on this issue, she would find that the best solution, financially and practically, would be to reopen the operating rooms in both Yellowknife and Hay River to local oral surgeons. We can’t afford to wait for the feds to do the right thing.

It’s up to us. Let’s do the right thing. Let’s get this waiting list down now and save these children months and years of pain and suffering.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services some questions on this.

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Dental Surgery Services In The NWT

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Abernethy.

Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Reflections On Father’s Day

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As we all know, Sunday, June 15, is a very special day. It’s Father’s Day. For me, it’s going to be my first Father’s Day.

Applause.

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Reflections On Father’s Day

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, people told me there would be nothing like having a child — holding that child, playing with that child and looking into his or her eyes. I can certainly attest to that. There is nothing like it. Given all the work that we’ve been doing here for the last three and a half weeks, I haven’t been able to spend a lot of time at home, and I’m certainly looking forward to spending Father’s Day with my son, Malachi, and my wife, Amanda.

Mr. Speaker, fathers play a very important role in a person’s life. For me, my father gave me guidance, wisdom, love, strength and courage to be the person that I am today. Once a year I get to thank him for his contribution to my life, and I could never thank my father enough for all he has done for me and for my two brothers.

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to wish my father, Frank Ramsay, who now lives in Moncton, New Brunswick, a very happy Father’s Day. To all the fathers across the Northwest Territories, have a wonderful Father’s Day.

Mahsi.

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Reflections On Father’s Day

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Dene Traditional Skills Program

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister McLeod made a statement in the Legislative Assembly on June 6 on ITI’s traditional skills program with an invitation to the Duck Soup Feast at the Weledeh campsite. I can attest that it was a wonderful feast.

I'd like to share a few notes with a Weledeh focus. Over 200 people from the Yellowknives Dene First Nation community attended the Duck Soup Feast hosted by students and staff of K'alemi Dene School, held at the Weledeh site last Friday. The traditional skills program at the site on the Yellowknife River is wrapping up today with the completion of a birch bark canoe and the tanning of a moose hide. This is an historic event as it has likely been 80 years since the last birch bark canoe has been built in this area. In addition, many other Dene cultural camp activities have come to an end.

Duck plucking, dry fish making and traditional Dene games kept youth busy and learning, with over 200 students ranging from kindergarten to grade 12.

About 100 students attended from K'alemi Dene and Kaw Tay Whee schools, and approximately 100 students from William McDonald School and École Sir John Franklin participated.

For those who can make it, there is a celebration at the Weledeh site today at noon with the Yellowknives Dene and a feeding-the-fire ceremony recognizing the Creator and the spirit of our elders who passed before us.

Guy Erasmus of the Traditional Economy division of ITI spearheaded the project. The project is funded by ITI and the Yellowknives Dene First Nation, the Department of ECE, and Yellowknife Education District No. 1.

Weledeh’s Yellowknives Dene First Nation elders and cultural resource people guided the project and provided traditional skills and instruction. Youth saw elders who in good humour worked hard all week. They just didn't stop demonstrating and teaching the traditional values.

Recognition goes to them for their commitment and hard work: Judith Charlo, Verna Crapeau, Paul and Adeline Mackenzie of Dettah. Youth workers who really guided the canoe project are Ernest Sangris and Brendan Baillargeon of K'alemi Dene School, Joey Poodlat of École Sir John Franklin, and Jarius Stewart of Yellowknife. Don Gardner of Canmore guided the canoe project, and Barb Cameron of Yellowknife coordinated the traditional skills camp.

Mr. Speaker, may I have consent to continue my statement?

Unanimous consent granted.

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Dene Traditional Skills Program

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Most importantly, this project teaches the youth about the value of staying connected to the land. Maintaining and strengthening traditional Dene life skills is important to keeping their culture strong.

Our elders recognize that with rapid change, industrialization and globalization it is even more important to recognize the significance of vital skills like providing for our own needs in food, clothing, transportation and community spirit. Mahsi.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Bromley. The

honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Aklavik Access Road To Gravel Source At Site 467

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Some 32 years ago, back in 1976, a study was carried out on Site 467, which is approximately 20 kilometres west of Aklavik, below the Willow River.

The study estimates that the site holds some 20 million cubic yards of gravel materials that are fair to good quality and easily accessible. More studies were done by the Government of the Northwest Territories in the late 1980s and again in 2002 by the Gwich'in Land Administration. I think we have enough studies. After 32 years this government still wants to study this site and hold meetings rather than take action to build an access road so that we can develop this massive gravel source and also take the opportunities for the community of Aklavik and the entire region.

I think the access road to Site 467 is a project that fits many of our 16th Assembly goals and priorities,

including sustainable communities and local economic development opportunities that reduce dependency between regions. It is an exceptional project and the sort of project that we should be looking at through the Building Canada Fund.

We've done all the studies, had all the meetings, so all I ask is: let's get on with it. At the appropriate time I will be asking the Premier questions on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Aklavik Access Road To Gravel Source At Site 467

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Krutko. The

honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Up until last September the social assistance regulations specifically exempted the value of any monies or goods received in accordance with the Inuvialuit Final Agreement from being clawed back from Income Support clients. This changed last year when payments from the land claim agreements were suddenly reclassified as unearned income. According to regulations any unearned income over $1,200 a year will be clawed back. Clients who receive a dividend cheque from their community corporation can easily go over the $1,200 limit if they receive a GST rebate, federal child benefits or small gifts from relatives.

This change to the regulations is not in keeping with the good spirit and the intent of the Inuvialuit Final Agreement. The government specifically exempts payments to the Inuvialuit from taxation by any level of government. Although the government might argue that technically Income Support clawbacks are not taxes, they have the same impact as taxes for those clients who are affected.

Later today I'll be asking the Minister if he is prepared to honour the spirit of the Inuvialuit Final Agreement and reinstate the exemption for any land claim payments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Jacobson. The

honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Renovations To Address Mobility Issues At Aven Court

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the greatest things about representing Yellowknife Centre is that I have the honour of representing the residents of Aven Court, Aven Manor and Aven Ridge.

Many of these seniors remain active in the community or have had important contributions in the past to the quality of life in Yellowknife and the Northwest Territories. But we all know that as we get older, it gets harder to do some things. That is why the Aven complex uses ramps instead of stairs, so that residents with mobility problems can get around easily.

I know that there are a number of residents in Aven Court, which is the independent living part of the complex, who have mobility issues and could use some renovations to the units to make it easier for them to maintain their independence. Probably the most important renovation we could do to some of these units would be to put in walk-in tubs for those residents who have mobility issues.

I have spoken with Aven Court and the NWT Housing Corporation, and there is interest and support for such a concept from both of these organizations. If these were private houses owned by seniors, they would be able to access funding under the Housing Corporation to install a walk-in tub, and that would be great.

But when the Department of Health and Social Services was approached, their answer was very clear and simple: no. This concerns me, Mr. Speaker, Does the Department of Health and Social Services not support our seniors? This can't be.

Mobility is a certain reason we have to stand strong and tall to make sure our seniors continue independent living. If not, they'll be put into costly places such as high-cost, long-term care facilities.

I realize that the costs may be seen as very expensive, at $10,000 for the partnership that Health and Social Services would be on hand for, but I think that could be simply justified by helping maintain the independence of those people. The issue really comes to do: does the government support independent living of our seniors?

I think this is a simple partnership that could be worked out between the Housing Corp. and Health and Social Services. In my mind, we can't lose the end result, which certainly always should be in sight, which is that we could help our seniors, save money and give them that quality of life they so richly deserve. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Hawkins. The

honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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NWT Housing Corporation Seniors Home Repair Programs

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I’m pleased to announce that the Minister of the Housing Corporation , at least for the Tu Nedhe, has advised us that they have taken six new units out of the plan for new acquisition and moved them into repair programs to address complaints from MLAs from this side of the floor that elders were unable to access home repairs and maintenance and so on for their homeownership units. So it’s just a matter now of the Housing Corporation taking the next step, to recontact some elders. I’m not saying that that hasn’t happened already, but I will be asking the Minister some questions on what the plan is and how the plan will be carried out from here on in.

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NWT Housing Corporation Seniors Home Repair Programs

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Beaulieu. The

honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Reflections On Father’s Day

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

Since Sunday is Father’s Day, I would like to speak a little about fathers. It is hard to fully describe the value of fathers’ influence on the lives of their children. The approval, support and nurturing of a father will be felt throughout a person’s entire life.

My own father passed away 11 years ago, but his sayings and advice are often thought of and reminisced about when I have a chance to get together with my siblings. My father never hesitated to share his opinion, and I’m very thankful for that. He wasn’t perfect, but he was a god-fearing man. He took his place as the head of the household and as spiritual leader of our family. He truly loved his children, and no matter what friends, teachers or others had to say about us, we had the steady approval and love of our father. And when I say teachers, I always mention teachers because my teachers didn’t like me for some reason, and I was voted the most likely to completely fail in life.

Laughter.

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Reflections On Father’s Day

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

The father of my own children is also a very big blessing to me, to our children and also now to our grandchildren.

I’d like to today make mention of a special father in Hay River. I mention him because he was born on the same day and the same year as my own father. His name is Eugene Patterson, and he is an amazing individual. He is a father, grandfather and great-grandfather. He has recently turned 88 years old, and he still goes to work every day. Many of you will recognize his name through his long involvement in business in the forest industry.

Now he is very excited and enthused about his greenhouse business, where he grows bedding plants, strawberries and all kinds of vegetables and

is doing a very good job. I just spoke to him on the phone this week. I asked him how he was feeling. He said that he’d had a little health problem, but that did not slow him down at all. I’m just amazed by his resiliency and enthusiasm for life at 88 years. So I wanted to make special mention of Mr. Patterson today.

To all the fathers in the NWT, particularly in Hay River, to you, Mr. Speaker, and to my colleagues in this House who are fathers: Happy Father’s Day. Thank you.

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Reflections On Father’s Day

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs.

Groenewegen.

Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Improvements For Highways In Nahendeh

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much,

Mr. Speaker, the part of the highway system that connects Nahendeh communities to other NWT communities and southern Canada is, quite frankly, a mess. Highway No. 7 between Checkpoint and Fort Liard has been closed intermittently for several weeks, and this has caused a lot of frustration for people in my region.

Mr.

Speaker, I am relieved to hear that the

Department of Transportation has a plan to reconstruct the road and has begun the work. I am also pleased that the Department of Transportation is investing in Highway No. 7 through the capital plan. I hope this investment includes the chipsealing of that road. This would make road travel safer by reducing dust, washboards and soft spots as well as potentially reducing the amounts of maintenance and repairs.

The other challenge to our road system in Nahendeh is Highway No. 1 from the junction of Highway No. 3 to Fort Simpson. This stretch of road is in rough shape, and it, too, needs to be chipsealed. Mr. Speaker, I urge the Minister of Transportation to make chipsealing that

section of Highway No. 1 to Fort Simpson a priority and include it in the department’s Capital Acquisition Plan. This will greatly improve the road system for both residents and visitors to the Deh Cho region. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Menicoche. The

honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Water Safety Programs Offered By Town Of Inuvik

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the ice being gone and people out boating, every year across the Northwest Territories you hear reports of people drowning. After an accident in Inuvik last year the town of Inuvik recognized that something needed to be done, so they’ve taken it upon themselves to put together a really important initiative, and that’s to make sure that every kid in Inuvik knows how to swim. Along with some partners that pay for pool time — the pool time is free — the kids would be able to go there and learn how to swim. It’s a very important initiative in the town.

What they’ve also done is they want to provide life jackets for pretty well every kid in Inuvik that goes out boating.

I think the town recognizes that this is a problem, and they’ve taken the steps to try to do something about it. Mr. Speaker, we don’t want to have to hear in Inuvik or anywhere across the Northwest Territories this year about people drowning.

I’d like to commend the town of Inuvik and their partners for taking the important initiative of donating free pool time, providing life jackets and making sure the kids know how to swim. It may not seem like much now, Mr. Speaker, but in a few years or maybe even this summer whatever these children have been taught may come in handy. If this whole program saves one life, then it was a job well done. I’d like to commend the town for that.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. The

honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Congratulations To Peter Boggis, Recipient Of Millennium Excellence Award

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, today I offer my congratulations to Peter Boggis, a graduating student from École St. Patrick High School, on being named one of two Yellowknife recipients of a Millennium Excellence award. This award is a national competition for university and/or college entrance scholarships. Mr. Boggis has won the award in recognition of his dedication to environmental awareness and his participation with his school community.

Peter is a member of the École St. Patrick High School Green Team that promoted the establishment of a recycling program at his school, which in turn generates money for the school yearbook. Peter is also an active facilitator for Development and Peace’s Think Fast campaign, which raises funds for charitable organizations in

Africa, Asia and Latin America. He has worked to raise awareness about injustices in Third World countries.

Peter will receive a $4,000 scholarship. Mr. Boggis is intending to enrol at the University of Alberta to study biomedical engineering. Please join me in congratulating this exceptional young man with a very bright future.

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Congratulations To Peter Boggis, Recipient Of Millennium Excellence Award

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. The

honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr.

Michael

McLeod.

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Recognition Of Pages From Deh Cho

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to take this opportunity to thank all our pages that have been working for us this week here at the Legislative Assembly. I’m very pleased to recognize today Ms.

Shiana Sabourin and

Ms. Lynette Sabourin, both young ladies from my riding of Deh Cho. Ms. Shiana Sabourin is in grade 8 at the Deh Gáh School, Fort Providence, and Lynette is also at the same school in grade 9.

I want to also thank the Legislative Assembly staff for all the support they’ve given our pages over this past week. I also want to thank Rachel Vanderveen for accompanying our pages and wish them very safe travels home.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition Of Pages From Deh Cho

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Recognition Of Pages From Inuvik Boot Lake

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, as well, would like to recognize the two pages that have come down from Samuel Hearne Secondary School in Inuvik, young Michael Fehr and Karlie Robert, who have helped us get the work done and spent some late nights in this Assembly. I’m sure they’ll have some stories to tell their friends back home in Inuvik.

I’d also like to thank their chaperone, Mrs. Anick Jenks, who is also a teacher at Samuel Hearne Secondary School.

As well, I’d like to thank the staff of the Legislative Assembly who helped set this up. With our late hours we haven’t, as Members, been able to spend much time with the pages who’ve come down.

So I’d just like to wish them a safe journey back home. Thank you.

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Recognition Of Pages From Inuvik Boot Lake

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 328-16(2) Seniors Home Repair Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I have a question for the Minister of Housing . I’d like to ask the Minister: how quickly can the staff from both the North Slave and South Slave offices go back to visit the elders in Fort Resolution and Lutselk’e to review projects to see if the elders can be helped before winter?

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Question 328-16(2) Seniors Home Repair Program

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Beaulieu. The

honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 328-16(2) Seniors Home Repair Program

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you,

Mr. Speaker. The first step, of course, is predicated on the passage of the budget, hopefully this coming week. The commitment’s been made, and the planning is there. We’re also committed to sit down with the Members, EDI, to look at the concerns raised about the structure of the care program and the fact that there are concerns about the Seniors’ Home Repair Program being so fully imbedded in the CARE program and ways to do that policy improvement.

So the planning is underway. Everybody’s listening eagerly for the final assent to be given to the budget so that the very many initiatives we have as a Legislature and a government can start to unfold.

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Question 328-16(2) Seniors Home Repair Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, for planning purposes, I would like to ask the Minister if he has advised senior staff to proceed with this project.

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Question 328-16(2) Seniors Home Repair Program

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, we worked with the Housing Corporation, the president and his staff, to come up with the plan and the movement of the money back into the repair area at the suggestion of the Legislature. So yes, we have been working closely with the Housing Corporation to get geared up for this.

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Question 328-16(2) Seniors Home Repair Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, has the Minister given direction to Housing Corporation staff on the level of security and documentation that’s required to complete elders’ files for these repairs?

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Question 328-16(2) Seniors Home Repair Program

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There is a lot of work that’s there. As in most cases, there is more demand than there are resources. Now that we’ve put more resources back into the mix, we’ll have the ability across the Northwest Territories to look at the files and provide greater service in terms of repairs than we were going to previously be able to.

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Question 328-16(2) Seniors Home Repair Program

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I spoke about Income Support monies being clawed back by the government because of beneficiary dividend payouts. My questions are to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Is the Minister prepared to reinstate the exemption for the beneficiary dividend payouts from the income support clawback?

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Jacobson. The

honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We’ve dealt with these issues in the past where the IBA payments were an issue and also some land claim dollars that may be coming in to factor.

With that in mind, we did make some changes to our Income Support assistance. The exemption that the Member is referring to, that $1,200, is new. That was implemented September 1, 2007. We have listened to the Members and the North as well. They’ve asked us to put in some exemption. If they received money, then they are exempted up to $1,200 a year. That’s what we’ve done. It wasn’t there before. We laid it out so those individuals that are receiving their — I believe it was — $1,001 can certainly apply that to the exemption program that we have.

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Can the Minister tell this House how the provisions of the Inuvialuit Final Agreement were taken into account and how the Inuvialuit were consulted about these changes?

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Before this change came into effect, it went through committee consultation by the Cabinet. With any changes to legislation or regulations there is always consultation that takes place and also debate in this House. That certainly did occur. With that, the communities were also notified through our client service officers and the regional representatives. They do have that information, since September 1, 2007. It is out there. Maybe some individuals or committee

members are not fully aware of it. We can certainly relay that message out there again.

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Can the Minister tell me what the rationale was for including beneficiary dividend payouts as unearned income?

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

The $1,200 exemption was based on the actual payouts that were happening in the region. Whether it be the IBA payouts or unearned income — that means besides working, earning income — there are other incomes that may come in. One of them is the Inuvialuit payout. That was considered as a factor to have an exemption of $1,200 to apply in that area.

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Will the Minister commit to a review of these issues and report back to this House next week?

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

This process is also in line with the social assistance regulations that we have in place. We did make the changes, because there was an outcry in the North and also by the Members. We did listen to them. We made some changes. I believe they were positive changes. They were not there before. I can certainly commit to the Member that I can work with him and others so that if we need to enhance our program, which we’ve done already, those are the areas that we need to work on. It is a planning process, and I will continue to work with the Members.

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Question 329-16(2) Reclassification Of Income Support Payments

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. Oral

questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to my Member’s statement and Site 467, the amount of gravel we’re talking about is some 20 million cubic yards of gravel. That’s a massive gravel source that this territory will need in the future and, more importantly, the residents of Aklavik. Also, the amount of money that’s been spent by this government on floods over the last number of years…. I would like to ask the Premier : when Cabinet came up with this list of Building Canada Fund projects, what consideration did they give to the payback of those projects in terms of economic development and improved conditions in small communities?

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Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First and foremost, we must recognize that the Building Canada Fund and projects are a seven-year plan, and we’re going through those final stages of getting a funding agreement in place with Canada.

At that point, we’ll be able to get some confirmation as to what projects will actually flow out of there. The federal government will still have a say in that.

The process used for identifying projects that will flow from there came from a number of sources of existing capital plans, the work that was done on cost-sharing arrangements — because that requires cost sharing — and that impact on the existing budget. So there were a number of factors that did play a role there. Transportation initiatives were on a 20-year needs assessment, or the joint plans that have been put out there, whether it was the Corridors for Canada 1 or 2 program and, as well, the joint initiative between the three territories.

Municipal and Community Affairs worked with the communities to come up with a list of projects, the ones that were most critical that we were unable to fund in the past. Those are the ones that started the process, but we still have a number of years to identify projects, and we’ll continue on that process.

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Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

The priorities of the Legislature are clear. We’re trying to improve communities by way of having stable communities, but also looking at economic development opportunities for isolated communities. I would like to ask the Premier if he would agree to revisit the Building Canada Fund listing and consider including the access road to the Aklavik source on that list.

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Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

As I said, it’s a seven-year process of funding that will come on an annual basis. So as we proceed, and as the Member had asked the Minister of Transportation questions, as well as myself, earlier during the session, the commitment’s there to sit down with the community to come up with a cost-sharing arrangement to get a program in place to look at what the actual cost would be of looking for an access to that site. We’re not looking at studying the gravel access itself. There are enough reports there, as the Member has pointed out.

We’ve got seven years of opportunity to get this into the plan, and this would be the start of it, by working together with the community to come up with a joint initiative on a plan to move forward.

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Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I’d like to ask the Premier for a commitment here, if he can commit to include the access road to Site 467 in the Infrastructure Acquisition Plan so that we can see it this fall.

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Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

I think we have, in a sense, made that commitment by committing to work with the committee on cost-sharing arrangements to come up with a plan that we can move forward on. Right now there are a couple of numbers out there, whether it’s a million dollars or $30 million. We need to work together with the community, come up with a plan, agree on a set of numbers, and then

decide how we can proceed there. So here’s the first step of that: we can work with the Member and the community to come up with an arrangement for a plan to move forward.

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Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Roland. Final

supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. This

government has to find a way that these types of small community projects, and initiatives too, are able to take advantage of the Building Canada Fund. I’d like to ask the Premier to do whatever he can do to ensure that communities are able to benefit from the Building Canada Fund, simply because of their geography or the size of that community. We have to find ways of using those federal funds to the advantage of our smaller communities also. So I’d just like to get a commitment from the Premier on that.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, as we’ve discussed in this Assembly and within our Strategic initiatives, we talk about building sustainable communities, so that is always a part of the equation when we look at how we expend the resources we have available. As well, we have conditions put on the Building Canada Fund, not by ourselves but by the federal government. We’re going to try to find a way to work within that, but we have other opportunities within what we have available, whether it is our own Infrastructure Acquisition Plan….

There are opportunities for some movement in that area, but as well, for example, some communities do get gas tax funding. We could also work with that with the community. So as I said to the Member, we’re going to work with the Member and the community, come up with a plan to proceed forward on this and see what initiative and in what area we can see this start to proceed.

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Question 330-16(2) Community Access To Building Canada Funding

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Roland. Oral

questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 331-16(2) Renovations At Aven Seniors’ Facilities

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about the need for a walk-in tub in Aven Manor. That would help facilitate at least 50 constituents of mine in that area, to help give them that quality of life they so rightly deserve. So for the record, is the Minister of the Housing Corp. still behind this project? I’d like to hear today what he is doing to work toward making sure that Aven will get that walk-in tub that they so rightly deserve.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Hawkins. The

honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you,

Mr. Speaker. We’re committed to a process that ensures that the residents and clients have access to all the amenities, including the ability to be able to bathe properly.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I’m pleased to hear that, and I’m sure my constituents at Aven are very pleased to hear that. As I understand it, this first was proposed through a partnership where NWT Housing Corp. would pay part of the expense and hopefully Health and Social Services would pay the other half of the expense. Is the Minister of the Housing Corp. willing to pick up the full tab if the Department of Health and Social Services refuses to pick up their share of the cost?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, as a government, we’ll collectively work together to make sure that the needs of seniors are met. We do that on an ongoing basis. We have some of the best seniors’ benefits in the country, and we’ll continue with that commitment, and we’ll continue to work through this particular issue.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr.

Speaker, I appreciate the

commitments from the Minister, but it didn’t actually say anything. So would the Minister tell me and this House today: is he committed to getting behind this project to make it happen as soon as possible?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I ask the Member to check Hansard, where I made a very clear commitment that as a government, with the departments of Health and Housing Corporation, we’ve been working together, and we’ll continue to work together. The Member’s raised an issue; he’d like to see resolution, as would we all. It’s an issue not only of concern in Yellowknife, but we want to make sure that seniors across the land have the same kind of access and benefits. So we’re going to look at how we can best do that as a government.

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Question 331-16(2) Renovations At Aven Seniors’ Facilities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 331-16(2) Renovations At Aven Seniors’ Facilities

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, the quality of life is being held up at Stanton because of the bureaucracy and the approach that’s being taken on this project. I brought this project to the Housing Corp. approximately a year ago. The fact is this is $16,000, maybe even as high as $18,000 in total. This is a project we could get done and be very proud of. Would the Minister be willing to step up the pressure to make sure this gets done in a timely way?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I in fact looked at those tubs personally when I was contemplating one, when my mother was living with me, and I went online and looked at it. I got the information, and yes, they’re about $16,000 a tub. There are a couple of makes. They have some pluses; they have some negatives. The issue is: are the seniors getting the services they need to allow them to do the basics like morning ablutions, regular bathing? We’re going to work to do that. We’re committed, across the land, to provide the best level of service possible to seniors. This particular issue is one of those on our list.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Miltenberger. The

honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 332-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s a little depressing to me that, as we stand here in this House and debate the issue of providing scheduled surgery services in hospitals, there are over 400 children with teeth rotting out of their heads — decay, bones diminishing. These are problems that are going to last forever — their entire lives — and are going to cost this system more money as we have to provide greater levels of health care to them later on in life.

I applaud the Minister of Health and Social Services , obviously, as I did in my statement, for the work she’s doing to try to solve this problem, but I think we have a fundamental problem here. One of the problems is we’re negotiating. We’re trying to get money out of people we’re not necessarily going to get money out of, such as the feds. We’re asking doctors to take a pay cut in order to work in the hospitals.

I’d like to ask the Minister if she’d be willing to stop the talks and start helping the children. Specifically, why are we asking the dentists to take a pay cut? They have a fee structure. They get paid whether they do the surgery in a clinic or an operating room. Let’s get rid of that aspect of this negotiation, and let’s focus in on what’s important, which is getting money out of the feds. If we’re not getting money out of the feds, let’s pay now and continue to fight the feds.

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Question 332-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Abernethy. The

honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 332-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

Obviously, we do want to do as much as we can for our residents, but especially children who are suffering from pain. What should be kept in mind is that dental services are not an insured service

anywhere in Canada. Nobody gets dental service from the government. I, on the other hand, a Minister with a heart, am trying to do something about it.

Mr. Speaker, right now dental services, including dental surgeries, are covered by third-party insurance, whether it’s private insurance or NIHB in the case of aboriginal children. Surely, as the Minister of Health , I know better than to ask any doctor for a pay cut. That is not what I’m asking them to do.

What I’m saying is: for any regular dental service for adults, they are able to be done in private dental clinics, and dentists, as business operators, cover those costs. We’re not asking them to take a pay cut; they will get all the insured services there. The outstanding fee has to do with the use of the hospital. We are asking to see if we could have some negotiation on that, because they are getting covered for everything.

Because this is not a government program, we are looking at creative ways of doing it. I am considering all options, and I’m talking to everybody I can to solve this situation. I agree with the Member that we need a solution for all those children — 120 in the South Slave region; we have children in Yellowknife, all over the North — and I’m trying to look for ways to solve that.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I’m glad to hear that. I’m glad that you’re continuing to look for solutions. When it comes to the dentists themselves, they would happily, I’m sure, provide those services within their clinics because they’ve got the infrastructure; they’ve got all the equipment. They’ve got everything they need. They’ve got the expert staff, the technicians and whatnot there to do it. Unfortunately, when we’re talking about small children with small mouths who need a number of procedures done at the same time, the only way that can be done in a safe and practical manner is for the children to be put under general anaesthetic, which means they basically need to go to a hospital.

I go back to my first question. I mean, we’re asking the dentists to go out of pocket to help these children. I’m not sure that is necessarily the best solution. Meanwhile we’re saying, “No, we’re not going to do it in Stanton.” But I know that Stanton is shut down for a couple months every summer, plus they always have one OR room. Would the Minister look at opening up Stanton, in addition to Hay River, to help get this waiting list down and stop the pain and suffering of these children?

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I am looking at all options, but there are two things the Member and the public need to know. Mr. Abernethy is very familiar with this issue. Because children move around, they

need to be put to sleep for this procedure in a way that adults don’t, for safety purposes.

In southern jurisdictions private clinics have surgery units that can do dental surgery for children. The costs are covered by the private sector. We have a situation in the North: no private clinics have that facility. But in the south, they have them and they cover them. Government does not pay for those.

Government is trying to step in to see what we can do. On the question about why not Stanton: Stanton does have a third OR room, but this is a kind of service that doesn’t need the full spectrum of surgery services. I think it is important for us to consider where services can be provided outside of Yellowknife, and we should consider that. We have an active proposal from the dentist community in Hay River, and they have a surgery unit that is not being used. We have 120 children on the waiting list in the South Slave region. It’s all documented; they are ready to go, and that’s why I am considering that option.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Once again, all well and good. The bottom line is there are children suffering. We know we can agree to that. I think our real negotiations should be with the feds. I think the debate we’re having with the oral surgeons is kind of defeating the purpose. We need to get those kids in, and we need to get them in now. Can you tell me a little bit about the negotiations that are going on with the feds and how that’s going to help us solve the problem for our suffering youth?

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

This is under active negotiation. The deputy ministers are having their meeting in preparation for the ministers’ meeting. The deputy minister of Health for the NWT is going to the DMs meeting next week. This issue is on the table. We have been negotiating hard to get NIHB to step up to the plate and pay for the full service for children who are eligible for NIHB. In the meantime, I agree with the Member that we need…. You know, we have to consider all options to take care of the children, while the adults argue about who’s going to pay for this. This is why I am making some proposals that I’m hoping the Members will support us on.

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Question 332-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms.

Lee. Final

supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m glad to hear that. In my Member’s statement I mentioned a full cost accounting on this issue. To me, sending youth south seems like an expensive proposition as opposed to dealing with them here in the North. If we were to do a full cost accounting, we’d think about the benefits of supporting our local economy, getting our children dealt with faster.

The dentists here in Yellowknife are an example, as they are in Hay River…. They are ready and willing. They are ready to go in tomorrow and start helping these youths solve their problems and fix their teeth, therefore supporting the long-term health of these kids. But we’re not doing it. We’re still standing up here in the House debating the issue. Will the Minister commit to doing a full cost-accounting analysis of this situation that will show it is beneficial to have them wait, which I hope it doesn’t, and that it’s more cost effective to send them south, which I don’t believe? Would the Minister commit to that?

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

There are a number of factors to that. Because this is not a government service, government is not paying anything right now. We don’t want to pay for the facility service unless we have to. Those who are covered by third-party insurance get covered to go to Edmonton, or wherever else, by their insurance companies. It’s just that no insurance coverage will pay for the facility service.

NIHB clients get all the dentist costs covered under NIHB. It’s just that NIHB won’t pay for the facility either. So the only factor that we have to look into, and the government is considering, is the facility fee that was absorbed before in Stanton and Hay River when those services were rendered. That cost is about $244 out of $950 that it costs to do 90 minutes of anaesthesia, which is the biggest cost of delivering this service. Obviously, there are other services our hospital would have to cover. Hay River Hospital is equipped and ready to do that in a way that Stanton is not.

Stanton has about one day available every eight weeks to have extra surgery above what they are already carrying. Hay River has offered up to ten weeks steady to clear the backlog. I think it’s an option, for economic purposes too, because Hay River has facilities, human infrastructure and a dentistry community that’s willing to step up. We have accurate proposals.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 333-16(2) Teacher Housing Issues In Nahendeh

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister of ECE some questions with regard to the teacher housing issue.

I know that the divisional councils commissioned a study on teacher housing, and they made some reference to how some other jurisdictions treat housing for professionals.

I know the Minister was working with a couple other Ministers on trying to develop a strategy or plan. I'm

hoping to look at it this coming fall. If the Minister could speak to that.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Menicoche. The

honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Yes, certainly we are working, as Ministers, myself and Housing, just to deal with this particular housing shortage in the North. It has become a bigger issue, and it has been going on for a number of years.

At the same time, we did meet with the chairpersons of all five regions, including Yellowknife, and also the superintendents. In Norman Wells one of the main topics was, of course, housing. Every single individual spoke on this particular topic. We did meet with the Deh Cho representative, Mr.

Swartzentruber — the

superintendent for that region — and he made a presentation to us as Ministers.

We are moving forward. Particularly, we focused on whether it will be this fall or next year. We’re going to get some inventory from each respective riding on what kinds of units are available through the Housing Corporation. So I think we are making progress. Nolan himself will certainly work with his superintendents and the communities as well. I think we are moving in the right direction to deal with the housing crunch.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

It showed up, of course, in my riding again last fall. The Minister of Housing was involved, and we were able to resolve a couple of issues.

But just once again: when do you expect the strategy the Minister is working on, and can we see some action by this fall?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr.

Speaker, what we

could provide to the Members and the committee would be the kind of inventory we have at the community level and at the regional level. That’s what Mr. Swartzentruber is working on with his fellow colleagues. They will be providing that back to our Ministers — myself, Miltenberger and Bob McLeod as HR. Once we get the facts from the community, we’ll be more than happy to share with the committee members.

On the long-term plans, there is a strategy that’s been developed and also planning stages to deal with the housing in the communities, whether it be guaranteed financing for housing — that’s one area. Another area is identifying the communities that do not have any units for professional staff. Those are the options we’re working with, with the superintendents. There’ll be ongoing discussion, and we’ll certainly keep the Members posted on that.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Indeed, accommodations are critical. I think I mentioned to the Minister last week that one of the jurisdictions in B.C. said they call it temporary accommodations. I don’t think anybody wants to go long term. I think that’s one of the reasons our government got out of it initially. But if we can strive and work toward that, that will be a long ways from where we’re at there.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, I believe part of this discussion is also to deal with the temporary basis as we stand now. We are fulfilling the teachers’ positions. As I’ve told the Member for Nunakput , I do believe, we are fulfilling most of the positions for teaching and also principals throughout the North. So we should be at that point. We’re almost fully complete. There may be some outstanding, certainly. With the housing issue, it’s always come up during the interview process.

On a temporary basis we are working with the communities to identify what units are available through the Housing Corporation, so they can have that available for teachers or principals in the communities, the new recruits or the returning positions.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 333-16(2) Teacher Housing Issues In Nahendeh

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much,

Mr. Speaker. I think, at a minimum, there should be something in the orientation packages for the new teachers — a strategy in case they do come here and then there’s a change in the housing arrangements that they had.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . I’m not sure if there was a question there. I’ll allow the Minister to respond. Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker. I

think it is important to have that documentation. If there are changes, whether it be in housing, certainly the message will be relayed to the communities. The superintendents are working together. They do work under the boards. So all the boards will be notified, and all the staff will be fully informed of the changes that are coming, whether it be this fall or next year. There will still be a clear message on the specifics and also on the long-term strategy to deal with the housing crunch.

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Question 333-16(2) Teacher Housing Issues In Nahendeh

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. The

honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask questions of the Minister of Health and Social Services on the dental surgery, again, today.

I’d like to thank the Minister for coming to Hay River and taking the time out of her

schedule to meet with the Hay River Dental Clinic — with the staff and the dentist there. The dentist in Hay River has been there for over 30 years — Dr. James Tennant. Hay River has been performing dental surgery for as long as I can remember. Obviously, for this backlog to have developed, there must have been a departure from that practice. I’m assuming that it had to do with the dispute with NIHB.

I’d like to thank the Minister for recognizing that while this financial issue needs to be settled, there are children who need to have this dental surgery.

I’d like to ask the Minister for clarity on this issue. Is she aware of any other dental practice in the Northwest Territories that is interested in undertaking dental surgery, other than Hay River?

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have the largest number of dentists in Yellowknife, and they would perform that procedure. But I do not have any other access proposal on the table to deliver this service, other than the one I received in Hay River during my recent visit.

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Does the Minister consider it would be feasible, both logistically and financially, to have Hay River designated as a centre of program delivery for this need for dental surgery — to deal with not just the backlog that’s been referred to from the South Slave but also for the entire Northwest Territories?

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I see that as a possibility for a number of reasons. One is that there have been — I should also state the reason why — dental surgeries, especially for children, being done in Hay River and Stanton. They’d have to make internal forces to stop those, because all authorities are under a deficit operating situation. This is one of those non-insured services. When compared to insured services, priority has to be given to the insured service.

In looking at the cost of doing these procedures in the Inuvik Hospital, Hay River Hospital and Stanton Hospital, Hay River Hospital’s cost is comparable to Stanton. It does cost a little bit more to do it there than Stanton, but we need to consider the fact that Stanton is running a constant overtime deficit, and they have lots of demands in that facility. I think, as a territorial government, if we’re looking at where the services can be offered…. If we have a situation where a community outside of Yellowknife could offer a service at a comparable cost and at a comparable level, and if it means an economic

spin-off in those communities, I think we should definitely consider that.

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

To the issue of prevention — which is still in keeping with the whole reason why we’re ending at this number of children who need dental surgery — how are we making out as a department and as a government in dealing with contracting dental hygienists who can work in the communities to educate and make parents aware of the kinds of things to avoid, to improve their children’s dental health?

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Oral health and dental health issues, for children especially, are a huge issue for us. In my recent tours of Deh Cho region, in six communities, that was the most mentioned issue and one that surprised me. That’s something that I’m learning as the Minister.

In talking to the department, obviously, we have made a concerted effort to educate the people, especially parents with young children, that there are things that should not be fed in a bottle, which really impact children’s teeth and have a lasting impact.

Another thing is there are children who are born with what’s known as soft teeth. There are children with conditions such as FASD who, no matter at what age, even as young teenagers, need to be put to sleep to have dental surgery performed. There are a number of reasons why people in general, but especially young children, need to be put to sleep to have simple procedures,

whereas this would not be required for adults.

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms.

Lee. Final

supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

Again, in keeping with the idea of prevention, so that we don’t have so many children ending up with this dire need for dental surgery — quite a major intervention, really, to have to get a general anaesthetic and have surgery — how are we doing on the uptake on contracts or positions? I’m not sure if everything is delivered by contract or if there are actual GNWT positions for dental hygienists. How are we doing in terms of vacancy, or uptake on contracts, to deliver these programs in the community? Would encouraging young people to pursue careers in this area to serve the North be something the department is working on?

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, this is one area that suffers from problems with recruiting and retaining not only dental hygienists but dental therapists and contract service for dentists.

In Deh Cho region, even though they have a budget allocated for dentists’ visits, they have not been able to fill their contract. There were no operators in

the NWT who could take that on or were interested. They are paying for services from a dentist in Quebec, so they’re hoping to reinstate that.

We currently have only 34 per cent of 11 dental therapist positions filled. There are huge numbers of vacancies, and it’s not an area that lots of people are going into. It’s one that we need to continue to work on, because dental therapists are the ones who provide dental care in many of our communities where there are no dentists.

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Question 334-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 335-16(2) Integrating Residential School History Into Curriculum

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. After the Prime Minister’s apology regarding the residential schools program, media coverage revealed that there are still some people who are unaware of the residential school program and its impacts and implications for aboriginal people. Even some aboriginal children may be unaware of this critical part of our history in Canada.

A question for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment : is there a place in the NWT where this part of our sad history is profiled, so that the public and our children can become aware of this?

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Question 335-16(2) Integrating Residential School History Into Curriculum

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Bromley. The

honourable

Minister responsible for Education ,

Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 335-16(2) Integrating Residential School History Into Curriculum

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker.

Certainly there are avenues that these individuals can turn to. There is our department, Education, Culture and Employment, the income support avenue; Health and Social Services, the counselling area; and through INAC, in the Greenstone Building, there is a representative out there as well. So we do have these.

Also, Mr. Speaker, there is an NWT interagency committee that’s been formed to deal with those individuals who are submitting their applications now, during the hard times that people are going through once they receive their payments. That committee will be meeting this fall to deal specifically with the outcome of the announcement and also with what’s happening to date.

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Question 335-16(2) Integrating Residential School History Into Curriculum

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you for those comments from the Minister. I believe the Minister missed my question. It’s not really about counselling and so on. I’m aware of those many programs that are going on and the excellent, desperately needed services there.

What I’m asking the Minister is: is there an educational centre, a centre that is dedicated to profiling this part of our history so that school classes and the public — sort of in the way of a museum, say — could attend and learn about this part of our history and develop the context necessary for understanding the situation of many people in Canada?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, that was one of the questions raised by the Member for Nahendeh , I do believe. Part of the program has been delivered, I believe, in the past through northern studies and also the aboriginal curriculum programs that we do offer here in the Northwest Territories.

There is some curriculum that we utilize from the south, the First Nations schools out there. We do utilize those services here in the North, as well, to deliver to the students the impact of residential schools and going through the process.

So we do deliver. It may not be particularly our curriculum per se, but we are identifying that as part of the curriculum that we deliver through the Alberta jurisdiction.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you for the comments from the Minister. That’s excellent to hear, very good to hear that there is some profile for this issue in our educational system.

Mr.

Speaker, my constituents and people are

contacting me, expressing an interest in a centre that’s dedicated to this that’s available to schools and the public as well. Would the Minister commit to working with partners to seek the resources that would develop an educational centre or even, for example, dedicate a room in the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre or some other museum-type facility in the Northwest Territories that would provide this service and profile this part of our history to the public?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, certainly that’s one of the areas I believe the committee that I just referred to — the interagency committee — will be discussing.

Also, it’s not only them; there are other parties that are involved. Dene Nation, of course, has been a key player in the process of the announcement of the Prime Minister’s statement, and also other agencies. So it’s not only us as the education area. There’s Health and Social Services, and there are NGOs in the community.

So we need to come together and highlight this important milestone that just occurred. The Member’s referring to a centre, whether it be a museum or other facility. I’m sure that will be the

key discussion, perhaps this fall. There will be ongoing discussion in that particular area.

I’m sure the Members may be involved in that area, and they’re certainly welcome to attend as well.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. Final

supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 335-16(2) Integrating Residential School History Into Curriculum

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thanks again for those comments. Will the Minister commit to taking a lead role in bringing this subject to the table of that interagency committee, in his role on that committee?

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Question 335-16(2) Integrating Residential School History Into Curriculum

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, we’ve been involved with the process of filling out the applications for the residential schools. Again, we need to work with the Dene Nation. If we as the ECE take the lead role, I need to consult with them. Certainly we’ll play a role in this process, whether it be the lead role or…. I need to get their consensus as well.

Like I said, Dene Nation played a huge role, and also the Assembly of First Nations. We at the GNWT will continue to work with them and provide any support that we possibly can. We’ll definitely be involved in that process. Mahsi.

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Question 335-16(2) Integrating Residential School History Into Curriculum

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. The

honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 336-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was sitting here thinking about the Minister’s responses to my previous questions, and I realized that I didn’t actually hear an answer to my last question, which was about the cost analysis.

There’s a lot of opportunity here to save money in the future — save our money, GNWT money. If a child’s teeth go bad, if they lose their teeth, it’s going to have serious ramifications on their physical health for the rest of their lives. We could see spending money up front as actually saving us money, so that’s my question: would the Minister commit to completing a bit of a cost analysis on the ramifications of not supporting these children now?

If the child were to fall and break his arm, we’d fix it immediately and figure out where the money’s coming from later. By not fixing these teeth, we’re actually going to put kids in a situation where it’s going to cost us a lot more money later on in their lives.

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Question 336-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Abernethy. The

honourable

Minister responsible for Health and

Social Services, Ms. Lee .

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Question 336-16(2) Dental Surgery Services For Children

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is obviously no question that prevention is always better than treatment. It is generally accepted that governments and departments of health all across the nation spend a lot more money dealing with the impacts