Debates of Feb. 19th, 1996

This is page numbers 57 - 83 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was ---agreed .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Name Of College Campus In Inuvik

35th Anniversary Of Cbc North Radio In Iqaluit

Support For Arctic Winter Games

New Social Housing Rent Scale

Process Used In Amending Public Service Act

Equipment Donations For Chief Julius School

Awarding Of Baker Lake Group Home Contract

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Consultation Re Effect Of New Social Housing Rent Scale

Purchase Of Canarctic Shipping

Apprenticeship Training Allowances

Time Frame For Construction Of New School In Fort Mcpherson

Changes To Non-insured Health Benefits

Restoration Of Power To Pangnirtung Residents

Baker Lake Group Home Operating Contract

Student Financial Assistance Rates

Government Employees Attending Awg

Creation Of NWT Mining School

Tax Revenues From Alcohol And Tobacco Sales

Community Wellness Worker Training Programs

Application Of Northern Preference Policy On Contracts

Revert To Item 10: Petitions

Bill 1: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 57

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Please be seated. Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 7-13(2): Name Of College Campus In Inuvik

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 57

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Arctic College was divided into two institutions on January 1st of last year. After a round of public consultations, the western institution was named Aurora College. As a result, both the Inuvik campuses and the college were named Aurora.Public consultaition was undertaken last fall and suggstions were collected for a new name for the Inuvik campus. After the election, the new MLAs for the Inuvik region were invited to make recommendations and consult with their constituents.

There was an overwhelming response in the region to keep the present name.After considering the results of the consultation, I am please to announce that Aurora has been confirmed as the name for the college campus in Inuvik.---ApplauseMr. Speaker, I would also like to take this opportunity to bring the Members of this Assembly up to date on some of the excellent work that is being carried out at Aurora College.One of the government's priorities is to work towards healthy communities and community-based problem solving by supporting community wellness.

In response to commuity interest in developing and delivering community wellness projects, Aurora College has been proactive in the development of a community wellness worker training program for the Inuvik region.Initial development has focused on exploring the possibility of developing a one to two-year collge program which would train a core group of people in their home community to deal with a variety of issues with a focus on prevention, healing and treatment. Each community would identify its own needs and the type of work it would like the community wellness workers to carry out.

This community-based approach would offer a holistic approach that addresses the spiritual, emotional, physical and mental needs of community members.College staff have developed a prototype for a community wellness worker certificate to promote discussion about the possibility of establishing such a program, and to help assess the level of interest. Presentations have been made in Inuvik and Fort Good Hope, and reaction has been favourable. It is hoped that this initiavite will continue to receive the support it needs to implement this program. Mr.

Speaker, another exciting initiative in the Inuvik region is the fine arts certificate program. The program started in May of last year and since then, 17 aboriginal students have explored a variety of media, such as sculpture, painting, print-making, drawing, photography and computer graphics. I had a chance to see first hand some of the students' work when I recently visited Inuvik.

Summer practicum have also helped the students develop their skills in a number of areas, including business and marketing.The students have recently been accepted by the Canadian Museum of Civilization and the National Gallery in Ottawa to do a two-week internship in April. The internship will help students expand their artistic horizons and knowledge base through classes or workshops, and through tours of local galleries, churches, the Parliament Buildings and other places of interest.The Canadian Museum and National Gallery will also benefit from the internship, as the students share their cultural knowledge.

The internship includes an additional week at the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre here in Yellowknife.As part of the internship, the students have been asked to present a small exhibit of their artwork at the Canadian Museum of Civilization and National Gallery. Mr. Speaker, this is an opportunity that few artists achieve in the lifetime. The students are currently carrying out the necessary planning and fund-raising for their trip.

We should all feel proud of these NWT artists.I am pleased with the continued development of new training initiatives throughout the college system that are focused on preparing Northerners for a changing employment market.

Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 7-13(2): Name Of College Campus In Inuvik

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 57

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Picco .

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35th Anniversary Of Cbc North Radio In Iqaluit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 58

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently, CBC North Radio broadcasting from lqaluit celebrated its 35th year on the air. Mr. Speaker, CBC Radio was and still is the major communication vehicle for many residents of the Eastern Arctic. Mr. Jonah Kelly by broadcasting in Inuktitut way back then, helped strengthen and preserve the Inuktitut language. Mr. Kelly has been broadcasting for CBC North for the past 30 years and is be to congratulated.

Mr. Speaker, in 1987, my wife and I were travelling to Ottawa. When we arrived at the Ottawa airport, a gentleman come over to us and asked where we were going. My wife and I did not recognize the gentlemen at first, but we certainly knew his voice; it was Mr. Jonah Kelly. This is just a simple example of how well-known the voice of CBC North has become in Nunavut and the Eastern Arctic, northern Quebec and Labrador. Mr. Speaker, the CBC Radio program Tausunni is recognized and listened to all over Nunavut and is picked up in northern offices in the South, including the MP for Nunatsiaq, Mr.

Anawak's office in Ottawa. CBC North Radio is an integral part of life in Nunavut, northern Quebec and Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this time to congratulate CBC Radio Eastern Arctic on its 35 years of broadcasting, and wish them another 35. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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35th Anniversary Of Cbc North Radio In Iqaluit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 58

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Levi Barnabas , Member for High Arctic .

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Support For Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) I wish to speak today in support of the Arctic Winter Games. (Translation ends)

...support of the Arctic Winter Games. It has recently been suggested by another honourable Member that the games are too costly. For example, mentioned was the cost of the preselection of dogteams.

Mr. Speaker, I have found that about 2,400 athletes from 52 communities participated in regional trials. They tried out for the games. In January of this year, another 1,400 athletes from 44 communities competed in the territorial trials. The 370 athletes who will go to Alaska represent only a small number of people from many small communities, like the one I represent, who have a chance to participate in the goal of participating in the games. I believe that these regional and territorial trials encourage people at the community level to compete and train all year round.

As for the cost, I would like to point out that the Arctic Winter Games are run by volunteers. Most of the budget is spent on travel. Most of the money comes from lottery revenues, registration fees paid by the athletes, fund-raising and donations. In fact, if you add up the total number of athletes in Baffin at each of the regional and territorial games themselves and divide that into the total Arctic Winter Games budget of $1.5 million, that works out to a cost of only about $360 per athlete. Most of the money is spent on regional and territorial costs.

When I look at the value of sending an athlete from one of the small communities, experiencing not just the value of the healthy competition

Sorry, Mr. Speaker, can I ask for unanimous consent?

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Support For Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

The honourable Member is asking for unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Barnabas .

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Support For Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. ...not just the value of the healthy competition, but the social and cultural exchange and the opportunity to see other parts of the Territories and the North. I think this is a very good value for a small amount spent per athlete. Members should also be aware, Mr. Speaker, that our government only contributes $300,000 in direct funding to the cost. That works out to a cost for our government of only about $70 per athlete. The rest is raised privately and by volunteer efforts.

I would like to say, Mr. Speaker, that for my constituents, including the dogteam which came all the way from Arctic Bay to demonstrate the tradition going back thousands of years, I believe the Arctic Winter Games are good value for our money. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Support For Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 58

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Qujannamiik, Mr. Barnabas . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Tommy Enuaraq , Member for Baffin Central .

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New Social Housing Rent Scale

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before I start my Members' statement, I would like to make an honourable mention at this financially difficult time. The honourable Premier , Donnie Morin, was kind enough to give me this nice, beautiful tie.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, my concern today is about housing. Last year, a new social housing rent scale was put in place. This followed extensive consultation with communities and representatives in each district at the Housing Corporation in the Northwest Territories. When the new rent scale was put into place by the previous Assembly, the Minister who was then in charge of the Housing Corporation, the honourable Don Morin , stated that ongoing consultation would happen in every community and every region in the following year.

Many of my constituents are hurting because of this new rent scale. I am not sure it has worked out in the way it was intended to. In all cases, Mr. Speaker, I strongly believe that now is the time the new rent scale has to be put into place. We need to consult with the communities and find out how it has been working.

We need to consider whether the new rent scale should be modified where it has caused undue hardships. Communities should also have the opportunity to consider other issues such as housing design; the effectiveness of new home ownership programs should both be done in the community and at the regional level as it was done when the rent scale was being put in place.

Later today, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Housing if he intends to carry on with the commitments for the consultations promised by the previous Housing Minister , Mr. Morin . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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New Social Housing Rent Scale

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Item 3, Members' statements. Are there further Members' statements? Mr. Roland .

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Process Used In Amending Public Service Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 59

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This past weekend, I returned to my home and held a constituency meeting. The majority of people at the meeting were union associated. During this meeting, there were concerns raised about the amendments for the Public Service Act and the process being used at this time.

Mr. Speaker, there is still a question out there that we, as the present government, are carrying on with old practices. Mr. Speaker, in my discussions with the people of Inuvik, I have said we, as a government, are changing the way we do business and I believe this will become evident as the budget unfolds. Mr. Speaker, right now, both government and union negotiators are starting to go through their process behind closed doors. The information is not getting out to the people and the information that is getting out is from a few --some of it true, some of it false --rumours, Mr. Speaker. I believe we can relieve the tension out there by getting information to the people.

Mr. Speaker, it was also mentioned by the GNWT employees of lnuvik that they understand everyone will be touched by the budget reductions. They do not want it to be a legislated process. They requested me to question the process. They stated that I would be doing them a disservice if I did not question the process being used. Mr. Speaker, it was at this point I stated, as Inuvik's MLA, that I represent everyone in Inuvik; employed and unemployed, union or not. As their representative, I must try to come up with a balance which would give everyone equal representation.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 59

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Equipment Donations For Chief Julius School

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 59

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rose in the House last week and made a statement with regard to the school in Fort McPherson. In consultation with members of the school, teachers and students, there seems to be a real loss in losing such a facility. Things that a lot of us take for granted with regard to having to cope without a gymnasium, regular classrooms and recreation equipment such as cross country skis, hockey equipment and recreation equipment; especially at this time, students don't have the opportunities that most people take for granted.

At this time, I would like to inform all the Members of the House and people in other northern communities that they can contribute to the school in Fort McPherson through the Beaufort Divisional Board of Education and give any equipment they may have by way of skis, hockey equipment, broomball equipment, et cetera. The only facility we have use of at the present time is the recreation complex which is a hockey arena and a small community hall. So anything that can be donated at this time will be greatly appreciated.

Later I will be asking questions to the Minister with regard to the progress of the new renovations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Equipment Donations For Chief Julius School

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 59

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien , Member for Kivallivik .

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Awarding Of Baker Lake Group Home Contract

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 59

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on numerous occasions government has referred to its commitment to buy northern and hire northern through such initiatives as the business incentive policy, the architect and engineering policy with DPW and the affirmative action policy and, Mr. Speaker, in more generic terms, the northern preference policy.

Mr. Speaker, the community transfer initiative, CTI, has been established for a number of reasons, but its primary purpose was to turn over more responsibilities to the hamlets so the communities could have more say in the running of their community.

Mr. Speaker, the overall goal is to empower the communities. I applaud the previously mentioned initiatives, but they cannot be effective if there isn't open and honest dialogue. Mr. Speaker, I believe that this government must take the time to listen more attentively to the concerns and recommendations from each community. Mr. Speaker, I have some serious concerns in my riding of Kivallivik regarding how committed some government departments are in terms of the concerns and recommendations, for example, from Arviat and Baker Lake.

Mr. Speaker, a case in point was the recent awarding of a contract for the running of the group home in Baker Lake. Mr. Speaker, prior to the contract being awarded, I approached the Minister of Health and Social Services on a number of occasions regarding the community's wish to have the group home run by local people as opposed to outsiders. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, my request was not honoured as the contract was awarded without my knowledge and I found out after the fact by one of our local community members.

Mr. Speaker, the real concern here is that the contract was awarded to an outside or southern company without much thought or consideration for the other local groups that applied. Mr. Speaker, the local bids may not have been perfect, but Mr. Speaker, I seek consent to continue my statement.

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Awarding Of Baker Lake Group Home Contract

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

The honourable Member for Kivallivik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. O'Brien , please conclude your statement.

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Awarding Of Baker Lake Group Home Contract

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The other local bids may not have been perfect, but surely some accommodation could have been made to allow local people to run this particular group home. Mr. Speaker, another equally disturbing fact is that the party that won the award was not the low bidder, but was higher by approximately $60,000. Mr. Speaker, in times of fiscal restraint with a looming deficit of $150 million and a commitment by this government for community empowerment, how could this contract be awarded and justified? Mr. Speaker, I will ask further questions during question period regarding this issue. Thank you.

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Awarding Of Baker Lake Group Home Contract

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Item 3, Members' statements. Are there any further Members' statements? Item 4, returns to oral questions. Minister Thompson .

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Return To Question 20-13(2): Advancement Of Maintenance Garage Project In Pangnirtung

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This question was relayed to me by Mr. Enuaraq , MLA for Baffin Central, on February 15, 1996, concerning the 1996-97 capital plan for the hamlet of Pangnirtung.

Regarding the specific request to consider advancing the upgrading of the maintenance garage from the 1998-99 fiscal year to the 1996-97 fiscal year (Translation ends).

...department officials advised that as the department's 1996-97 capital budget would soon be under review as part of the government's business planning process, it would be difficult to make this change at such a late date. If the maintenance garage project for Pangnirtung were to be advanced, then another project would need to be set back.

I am advised, however, that after the discussion had concluded on this particular item, the hamlet council advised my department officials that they would accept where this project was scheduled in the capital forecasting plan at present. The council further reconfirmed that their highest priority is to proceed with construction of the new sewage treatment facility and the solid waste site.

I am open to discussing this matter with the Member. If the hamlet has reassessed its priorities and wishes to still pursue advancing the maintenance garage, we could consider a deferral of a project of equal value, within the department's capital forecasting plan for the community. I am also open to discussing the scheduling of capital projects planned by other government departments for Pangnirtung during the 1996-97 fiscal year with the Minister responsible.

I wish to assure the Member that I am prepared to work with him to ensure that to the degree possible, the capital plan for Pangnirtung reflects the priorities of the hamlet council. However, given the limited capital budget that is available to allocate in the coming fiscal year to the many pressing there is very little flexibility to make further budget adjustments between communities without discussion and cooperation from other community councils. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 20-13(2): Advancement Of Maintenance Garage Project In Pangnirtung

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, honourable Minister. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services and the Housing Corporation, Mr. Ng .

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Further Return To Question 30-13(2): Social Assistance Policy On Rental Arrears Owed To Lhas

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked February 15th by the honourable Member for Hay River with respect to how much money is owed by public housing tenants to this government at this point in time.

Mr. Speaker, currently there is $5 million owed to the local housing organizations in tenant arrears. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 30-13(2): Social Assistance Policy On Rental Arrears Owed To Lhas

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item, returns to oral questions. Mr. Dent .

Release Of Report On Nunavut Arctic College Program Transfers

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Further Return To Question 30-13(2): Social Assistance Policy On Rental Arrears Owed To Lhas

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Picco on February 16, 1995.

On Friday, February 16th, I faxed a letter to the chairman of the Nunavut Arctic College Board of Governors, Joe Ohokannoak, asking him to consider the appropriateness of tabling a report entitled "Nunavut Arctic College Program Relocation Study," by Hugh Lloyd.

Mr. Ohokannoak phoned this morning to advise me that Mr. Lloyd's report has been available to the public for some time now. Copies can be obtained from the Nunavut Arctic College office in lqaluit. I will table a copy of the report in the House as soon as I receive it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 30-13(2): Social Assistance Policy On Rental Arrears Owed To Lhas

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, honourable Minister. ltern 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 51-13(2): Consultation Re Effect Of New Social Housing Rent Scale

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Housing . Mr. Speaker, as I said in my Member's statement today, there was extensive

consultation leading up to the implementation of the new social housing rent scale last year. The previous Housing Minister promised that the consultation would continue once the rent scale was in place. Will the Minister commit to a process of community and regional consultation in the coming years so the Housing Corporation can consider the effectiveness of the new rent scale and other housing issues? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 51-13(2): Consultation Re Effect Of New Social Housing Rent Scale

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 61

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister for Housing , Mr. Ng .

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Page 61

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the corporation has continued to undertake consultations at a community and at a regional level in following the past practice established by the former Minister. In the case of the honourable Member for Baffin, I am actually advised that with the exception of lqaluit, all communities in the Baffin district have already undertaken community consultations for this current fiscal year. Mr. Speaker, I would like to say that we will continue to look at community consultation readings to address housing concerns. Thank you.

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Question 52-13(2): Purchase Of Canarctic Shipping

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 61

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in a letter to all MLAs and recently in the media, it has come to my attention this government is continuing to look at the possible purchase of Canarctic Shipping. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister for Transportation please confirm to this House that in actuality we, as a government, are negotiating to buy Canarctic?

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Page 61

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The government department and the Cabinet have riot made any decisions on this matter. We're reviewing this matter further and we will get back to the Member as soon as we have any direction on this matter. Thank you.

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Question 53-13(2): Apprenticeship Training Allowances

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 61

James Rabesca

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , on the Human Resources Development Canada notice to apprentices in their income support document. The changes to the apprenticeship program will be effective April 1, 1996. The program will be available to those apprentices who are eligible for UI. If their UI claim starts on or after training start date, the normal UI two-week waiting period will apply. The basic training allowances to offset the waiting period will no longer apply.

Mr. Speaker, if an apprentice submits a record of employment or an application which is incorrectly filed, the first unemployment insurance cheque will not arrive until seven or eight weeks after the training date starts. Apprentices are expected to save enough money to meet their financial commitments for at least four weeks or two months after the commencement of the course because there may be some delays in payment.

Mr. Speaker, I have also been informed that as of January 1997, there will not be any more allowances for the apprentices. Mr. Speaker, I ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment if this is in fact true.

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Page 61

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Page 61

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member's understanding of the situation is essentially the case. The changes to the unemployment insurance program will severely impact our ability to put people into the apprenticeship training program in terms of cost. The estimate of costs right now is about $500,000 a year that we are liable to lose through the changes in Ul. In January, I wrote the federal Minister responsible outlining our concerns about this change.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 61

James Rabesca

North Slave

Since most of the apprenticeship technical training is taken in the South, how will the apprentices receive. their training it there won't be any more allowances after January 1997?

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Page 61

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is absolutely right because 50 per cent of our apprentices must attend school in Alberta, Manitoba or New Brunswick in order to complete their trades training. At this point in time, we are still hoping that we will be able to discuss with HRDC an approach that would see them restoring some of the funding. We aren't convinced yet that Human Resources Development Canada have actually recognized the severe impact and the special impact that these changes will have on the North.

We are probably the only jurisdiction in Canada where people undertaking trades training must travel more than 1,000 kilometres to attend the schooling portion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 62

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John Ningark

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko , Member for Mackenzie Delta . I believe the honourable Member for North Slave still has the floor. Mr. Rabesca .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How will eliminating the apprenticeship allowances affect employment programs?

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Page 62

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said, we are hoping to negotiate with Human Resources Development Canada to restore some of the funding. Our hope is that we won't necessarily see any significant change. If we are unable to get the federal government to reconsider their decision, the potential is there for significant impact. That will be something that we will have to explore in more detail in flip future. At this point in time, we haven't given up hope of obtaining some federal funding.

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Thank you. Mr. Rabesca, final supplementary.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

James Rabesca

North Slave

With the changes to the apprenticeship programs, who will be monitoring the program to ensure that they are following standards so that a student will not have to wait two months to receive enough money to remain in the program? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 62

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment will retain responsibility for monitoring aspects of the program. The overall apprenticeship program has set standards and they are administered by a board. It will remain the responsibility of the department to ensure that we can still provide training for people who require it. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for the Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 54-13(2): Time Frame For Construction Of New School In Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . As I mentioned earlier in my statement, in the early morning of January 9th, the Chief Julius School in Fort McPherson was destroyed by a fire at a loss of $7 million to $8 million. Since the time of the blaze, the community of Fort McPherson has rallied amongst themselves in various community buildings, which now double as classrooms and offices --the hamlet office; band council; Gwich'in Tribal Council office; the youth hall; the church; and the nursing station --which house approximately 240 students.

At this time, I would like to ask the Minister what the status is with regard to the building of a new school and what kind of time frames we are looking at.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

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Page 62

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department moved quickly to ensure that the funding was available for temporary classroom space and then had to enter into negotiations on the size of the new school; in other words, the number of classrooms and the number of seats. We now have agreement with the community, the divisional board and the department on the size and number of seats in the school. We still need to be sure that the community is adequately consulted on the design.

Currently, the department is working at finalizing a submission to the Financial Management Board for the capital cost of building a new school.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for lqaluit, Mr. Picco .

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Question 55-13(2): Changes To Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, Health and Welfare Canada has changed several of their non-insured health benefits for Inuit and First Nations people. Mr. Speaker, my question for the Minister is has the GNWT reviewed these changes and implications?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

Changes To Non-insured Health Benefits

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Question 55-13(2): Changes To Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, the department has reviewed the changes. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, these changes were only made known to Inuit and First Nations people in December. Mr. can the Minister inform this House if the GNWT were consulted on these changes, specifically the dental changes, before they were made public?

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Page 63

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we were not consulted on the changes. Health Canada provides the framework for supply of these services and our government merely administers the services on behalf of Health Canada. Thank you.

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Question 56-13(2): Restoration Of Power To Pangnirtung Residents

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 63

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my next question to the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Power Corporation is a most urgent and serious one. Mr. Speaker, I understand that due to the strong winds in Pangnirtung last night, a power line was taken out by an object which flew off a building and about 40 houses were left without power overnight. When will the power be restored to these 40 units in Pangnirtung?

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Page 63

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The Minister for the Power Corporation, Mr. Dent .

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Page 63

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was advised about 15 minutes ago that the power is back on.

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Page 63

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

If there was any damage done to these houses due to the power outage, who would take responsibility for their repairs? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 63

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In most instances, it would be between the home owner and their insurance company. Hopefully they are insured. I don't believe that the Power Corporation provides any guarantees on being able to provide power in the event that

an act of God causes an outage.

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Question 57-13(2): Baker Lake Group Home Operating Contract

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 63

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr.

Speaker, in reference to my Member's statement, I wish to ask the Minister if he was aware of the Baker Lake group home contract prior to the contract being awarded; and, if so, it he would kindly justify to this House the rationale behind the award. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 63

The Deputy Speaker

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 63

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

HON, KELVIN NG : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I was aware of the tender for the operation of the Baker Lake group home because the honourable Member had brought it up to me. The contract awarded was based on the most qualified contractor being awarded the contract. Thank you.

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Question 58-13(2): Student Financial Assistance Rates

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 63

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Finally a question for my friend, the Minister of Education . During this past fall and during my election, it became very evident that student financial assistance, or SFA, is inadequate. Mr. Speaker, in lqaluit, students attending the college had to go out hunting caribou because their SFA cheques did not arrive on time and because they were out of food. My question to the Minister of Education is, has this problem been rectified.

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Page 63

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I understand that in almost all cases cheques are now being issued within 10 days of an application being received, which is in fact the standard that we had set as a department.

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Thank you. First supplementary, Member for lqaluit.

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Page 63

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm very pleased to hear that. Mr. Speaker, will the Minister review the current remuneration rates of SFA to ensure that students are receiving enough to live on?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in fact there is a study under way at this time. We've had consultants working with the department to undertake a total review of the student financial assistance program. I expect that the results will not be available until later this

spring. I was intending to bring the proposal forward for discussion in the House in the fall.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes , Member for Yellowknile Centre.

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Question 59-13(2): Government Employees Attending Awg

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 64

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs with regard to the Arctic Winter Games. There is a tremendous concern about our projected deficit in the Territories and I would like to know from the Minister if she could advise us how many government personnel may be slated to go out to the Arctic Winter Games and how many personnel from this Legislature may be going from the Executive. Thank you.

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Thank you. Honourable Minister.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will be discussing this matter this week with regard to the number of people who will be attending the winter games. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 60-13(2): Creation Of NWT Mining School

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 64

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the course of my consultations during my campaign, I spoke to many people and some of them mentioned the possibility of starting a mining school in Yellowknife. My question is to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources . As there is only one mining school in Canada and mining plays such a very important role in our lives, I'm wondering if the Minister has ever considered putting forward some resources to starting a mining school that would train northern people to work in the northern mines. Thank you.

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Page 64

The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. The honourable Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources , Mr. Don Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have talked to many people who are also interested in being trained to enable them to go into the mining industry, whether it means in the production end or the exploration end. My understanding is that there is a program presently sponsored by BHP that Mr. Dent , the Minister of Education , is involved in with some of the communities to get people ready for the mining industry, We also sponsor a prospectors' program that makes dollars available for people to go out on the land to prospect for certain minerals. Yesterday, I visited an outpost camp run by Trevor Teed.

In talking to them out there, they also expressed interest in possibly having an educational program for the trappers so the trappers themselves can recognize rocks that contain certain types of minerals. So I think it's worthwhile looking at. We definitely need them. Thank you.

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Thank you, honourable Minister. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 61-13(2): Tax Revenues From Alcohol And Tobacco Sales

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 64

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . I would like to know what this government realizes in revenues from the taxes of alcohol and cigarettes. Thank you.

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Thank you. The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have those numbers at my fingertips, I'll have to take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 62-13(2): Community Wellness Worker Training Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 64

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education . The Minister had indicated in his presentation earlier that Aurora Campus was involved in community wellness worker training. I'm just wondering if this would only be offered at the Aurora Campus or is this being looked at throughout the Northwest Territories. I know that the community wellness strategy is a Territories-wide strategy and it would be a shame if the other communities were not allowed to train workers in this area as well. Is this initiative being looked at Territories-wide?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, currently, the program is like a pilot project that is being looked at. It is under development and is being developed at the one campus. As to whether or not it would be offered throughout the Territories, I can't say right now. The colleges do not necessarily offer all programs at all campuses; for instance, the recreation leaders' program is not offered at all campuses, it's only offered at the Inuvik campus.

In terms of the size of our jurisdiction, it isn't economically feasible at all times to offer all of the programs at all of the campuses. Having said that, the board of governors are always examining which programs it makes sense to offer at which locations. After this one is fully developed, the board may consider expanding it to other campuses.

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John Ningark

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. First supplementary, the honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Erasmus .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The funds that are being expended towards this program, are those territorial government funding or is that through, perhaps, Gwich'in land claims funding or is this being done through some type of a third-party contract that the college often enters into?

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Thank you. The honourable Minister for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not absolutely certain where all the funds may have been coming from for this program so I will take the question as notice.

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Thank you. The honourable Minister has taken the question as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien , Member for Kivallivik .

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Question 63-13(2): Application Of Northern Preference Policy On Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 65

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minster of Health and Social Services. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell me whether or not the department applied the northern preference policy while making the selection for this award? Thank you.

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John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable...The question is unclear. Would the honourable Member clarity what contract was awarded so the Minister can be in a position to respond to you?

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The contract I'm referring to is the awarding of the Baker Lake group home project. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, honourable Member for Kivallivik . The honourable Minister, Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there were four proponents to the contract that the honourable Member is referring to. The one that was awarded the contract was the only proponent that was registered for the business incentive policy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Mr. O'Brien , first supplementary.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

MR, O'BRIEN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell me whether there are any plans at the present time or any discussions with regard to changing the status or the classification of the Baker Lake group home? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the group home in question is currently a residential home for children at this time. Yes, there are plans to try to convert it to a residential treatment centre for children in the future. Thank you.

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Thank you. Second supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again in reference to my Members' statement, I referred to consultation and empowering communities and so on. Can the Minister tell me whether there have been any discussions or dialogue with the hamlet or the community leaders regarding the change in status of the classification of this particular building? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure whether or not there have been consultations or to the extent of those consultations, so I will investigate that and report back to the Member. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister assure me that if consultations have not taken place that they will, and that the community leaders will be involved if there should be a change in status regarding this particular operation? Thank you.

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Question 63-13(2): Application Of Northern Preference Policy On Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 65

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I can make that commitment. Thank you.

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Question 63-13(2): Application Of Northern Preference Policy On Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 65

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I was just trying to get the attention of a Page.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 66

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to return to item 10, petitions. Thank you.

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Question 63-13(2): Application Of Northern Preference Policy On Contracts

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Page 66

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member, Mr. Enuaraq , is seeking unanimous consent to go back to item 10, petitions. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Revert To Item 10: Petitions

Revert To Item 10: Petitions

Page 66

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table Petition No. 2-13(2) signed by 241 residents of the community of Clyde River, supporting more public housing for the community. Mr. Speaker, the Clyde River Housing Association has only 98 public housing units available and there are 72 people now on the waiting list for public housing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Revert To Item 10: Petitions

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Page 66

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Item 13, tabling of documents. Before we move to item 14, notices of motion, I would like to acknowledge the Scouts who are with us today as Pages.

---Applause

Forgive me if I am not able to pronounce your names right. They are Sam Bartlett, Shane Wallis, Stewart Mackenzie, Jonathan Bilodeau, Andrew Bishop, Ben Singer, Jeff Nungaq, Nathan Arngna'naaq.

---Applause

Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 1: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 66

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by my honourable colleague from Tu Nedhe, that Bill 1, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96 , be read for the first time.

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John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd . The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 66

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Question is being called. All those in favour of the motion, please signify in the usual manner. Thank you. All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 1, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96 , has had first reading. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 1: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 66

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by my honourable colleague from Tu Nedhe, that Bill 1, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96 , be read for the second time.

Mr. Speaker, this bill makes supplementary appropriations for the Government of the Northwest Territories for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1996.

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Page 66

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd . The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill.

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Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 66

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Question is being called. All those in favour of Bill 1 , please signify. All those opposed to the second reading of Bill 1 ? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 1 has had second reading and, accordingly, the bill stands referred to Committee of the Whole. Thank you. Item 18, second reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 66

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , that Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Public Service Act , be read for the second time.

The bill also amends the act to establish an offence for unlawfully striking or declaring a strike; it sets out a process for the making of agreements to identify what are essential services and which employees in the bargaining unit are required to work during a strike to provide an essential service or to respond to an emergency; it establishes bargaining units and clarifies which positions are excluded from the collective agreement.

The bill also consequentially amends the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association Act and the Union of Northern Workers Act.

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Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 66

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. To the principle of the bill. Mr. Picco .

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 66

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I said publicly in this House on Friday that I would speak against this bill to amend the Public Service Act. Mr. Speaker, as a former UNW local president

and a former member of the UNW bargaining team, I think I understand the ramifications of this act. The carrot in the act was to give the union the right to strike. But the government proposes to set out a process for the making of agreements to identity which are essential services and which employees of the bargaining unit are required to work during a strike. Thus, the process will negate many members of the bargaining unit to actually strike.

Mr. Speaker, the amendment also provides that the renewal provisions in the current collective agreements are no longer in effect. This will ensure that the bargaining units will have to negotiate a collective agreement with one hand tied behind their back. Mr. Speaker, this act would also establish bargaining units and clarity which positions are excluded from collective bargaining. This means that many of the people who are now included under individual bargaining units could be excluded.

The amendments to the act also mean that the disagreements arising from collective bargaining will no longer be referred to an arbitrator. Mr. Speaker, this change will mean that independent dispute reconciliation methods will no longer be present, giving the employer an unfair advantage over the employees.

Mr. Speaker, it would seem to me that the changes in the Public Service Act have been tailored to emasculate the union. Mr. Speaker, the amendments asked for will consequentially mean that the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association Act and the Union of Northern Workers Act will also have to be amended. Thus, the proposed amendments to the act will have far- reaching effects.

Mr. Speaker, everyone in the NWT now realizes the depth of our financial problems. Everyone in the NWT realizes that there will have to be cutbacks. Everyone in the NWT also realizes that the way the GNWT does business will have to change. Mr. Speaker, I also agree and know these things. However, Mr. Speaker, I feel that the collective bargaining process should be carried through its culmination, and to introduce this act is a provocation to our employees.

Mr. Speaker, the government knew last summer that it was facing a severe budget shortfall. It is my opinion that the government should have begun discussion with our unions and our public service at that time to work out common solutions to fiscal situation. This was not done and now the 13th Assembly is put in a very difficult situation.

Mr. Speaker, the window of opportunity for the 13th Assembly to balance its budget and to get our fiscal house in order is narrowing, Mr. Speaker, I realize this and I also realize that the changes in the Public Service Act are made to make this so. Mr. Speaker, the far-ranging effects of this one act cannot be contemplated in one day or one week. Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Public Service Act , being introduced before the public service bargaining units sit down to negotiate with the government sets a dangerous precedent for the collective bargaining process in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the history of organized labour in the Northwest Territories has been a colourful one. In the 1990s and the upcoming 21st century, unions will still be needed to provide the checks and balances that are needed in our northern workplaces. After these changes are implemented, the public service union of our employees will be a shadow of its former sell, and that will be a poor legacy for the 13th Assembly.

Mr. Speaker, I request a recorded vote on the proposed amendment, when it comes to a vote in this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 67

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, honourable Member. To the principle of Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Public Service Act. Mr. Erasmus , to the principle of the bill.

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 67

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to indicate that I don't appreciate calls for a question that are happening so quickly. Many people don't understand what's going on here.

I, too, am concerned that a lot of people may be pulled out of the bargaining unit by being classified as essential people. I need to be reassured that this is not a ploy to do that. We have heard reports that perhaps up to 30 per cent of employees may be classified as essential or unable to participate in strikes. I need to be reassured that this is not the case. Thank you.

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 67

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. To the principle of Bill 2 , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 67

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The document we are talking about only became public information this past Friday and as a Member representing Hay River and having many respected representatives of various unions in my community, I have not had a chance to go back to them to discuss this with them to hear what other options there may be to this. Unfortunately, when it comes to the recorded vote, I will have to abstain. Thank you.

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John Ningark

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An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Question is being called. Are we ready for the question? A recorded vote has been requested. All those in favour of Bill 2 , please stand.

Recorded Vote

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 67

Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Todd , Mr. Morin , Mr. Kakfwi , Mr. Antoine , Mrs. Thompson , Mr. Ng , Mr, Henry, Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Krutko , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Dent , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. All those opposed, please stand.

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An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

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Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. All those abstaining, please stand.

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Clerk Of The House

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Mr. Rabesca , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 68

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. There are 14 for the motion, six against and two abstentions. The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 2 has had second reading. Mr. Todd .

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An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 68

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 69(2) and have Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Public Service Act , placed on the orders paper for Committee of the Whole today.

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An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 68

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Keewatin Central , Mr. Todd , is seeking unanimous consent to waive Rule 69(2) to have Bill 2 moved into Committee of the Whole for today. Are there any nays?

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Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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An Hon. Member

Nay.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

There is a nay. Therefore, accordingly, Bill 2 stands referred to a committee. Thank you.

Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 1, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96 , with the Member for Hay River , Mrs. Groenewegen , in the chair.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 68

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

I call the committee to order. We will recess for 15 minutes. Thank you.

---SHORT RECESS

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Bill 1: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 68

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

I will call Committee of the Whole back to order. We're dealing with Bill 1, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96. I will ask the Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd , to introduce the bill.

Minister's Introductory Comments

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Bill 1: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matter