Debates of Sept. 21st, 1998

This is page numbers 97 - 123 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was aboriginal .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Child Abuse Prevention

Status Of NWT Housing Corporation's Homeownership Initiatives

Student Success

Quebec Reference - Legal Perspectives

Quebec Secession Reference

Heavy Workload For Igloolik Nurses

Expansion Of Iqaluit School

Wildlife Act Amendments

State Of NWT Campgrounds

Trailcross Child Care Facility

GNWT Payments To NWT Businesses

Cambridge Bay High School Fire

GNWT Finding To St. John Ambulance

Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Amittuq Nurse Shortage

Donation Of House For Iqaluit Homeless

Rent At Elders' Centres

Wildlife Act Amendments

NWT Campgrounds

Status Of Trailcross Facility

Economic Development Strategy

Economic Strategy Process

Timeframe For Filling Social Worker Vacancies

Pay Equity Advertisements

Post Division Public Utilities Board

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Pay Equity/collective Bargaining Dispute

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Motion To Amend Clause 18 Of Bill 1: Family Law Reform Statutes Amendment Act

Motion To Amend Clause 29 Of Bill 1: Family Law Reform Statutes Amendment Act

Motion To Amend Clause 1 Of Bill 2: Intercountry Adoption (hague Convention) Act

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 97

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Groenewegen. Before we get into orders of the day. Due to an illness in his family, the Speaker will be out of the Legislative Assembly for an indefinite period of time. As Deputy Speaker, I have been asked to assume the Speaker's duties in his absence. It is hoped that the Speaker will be able to return to the Chair before this sitting of the session ends.

Also, I ask Members to join me in wishing the Member from Iqaluit , Mr. Picco , a very happy birthday. He is 47...I mean, 37 years old today.

--Applause

Thank you. Orders of the day. Item 2, Minister's statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 20-13(6): Child Abuse Prevention

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to talk about the prevention of child abuse. On August 27, 1998, Sheldon Kennedy, the former NHL hockey player who was abused by his junior coach, visited Yellowknife as part of his cross Canada campaign to stop child abuse. Yellowknife Mayor Dave Lovell proclaimed August 27th Child Abuse Awareness Day in honour of Mr. Kennedy during a luncheon barbecue at City Hall.

During his one-day stay in Yellowknife, Sheldon spoke at St. Patrick's High School and visited Ndilo and the Territorial Treatment Centre. In addition, he was able through a teleconference set up by NorthwesTel to speak with people in Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, Cambridge Bay, Inuvik and Whitehorse. Mr. Speaker, I believe that Sheldon's campaign had an impact here in the Northwest Territories as I am sure it has in the rest of Canada. Speaking out and standing up against child abuse takes courage and conviction of purpose.

Sheldon's visit is to facilitate change in attitudes toward abuse, and to change in the way that we respond to abuse. He has started the Sheldon Kennedy Foundation. Its objective is to make a major contribution to the prevention and treatment of child abuse, through awareness, education and action. I believe that one of the most powerful tools we have in the fight against child abuse is awareness. By making people aware of the horrors of abuse and by supporting people in their healing, we can reduce the suffering that results from child abuse. Mr.

Speaker, the prevention of child abuse can only be achieved if we work in partnership with individuals, families and communities. We all have a duty and a responsibility to protect our children from abuse by teaching and educating them. Children need to know when they are being treated inappropriately. They need to know that they do not have to put up with inappropriate behaviour. They need to know that there is somewhere they can get help. Further and just as important, we need to provide, by example, an abuse free life style.

Children can also be protected by creating an atmosphere in our communities where they feel safe enough to come forward if they are being mistreated or abused. When children do come forward we need to take action. We need to provide support and protection services, as well as legal and counselling services for those who have been victims of abuse. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services, in partnership with the Status of Women, has produced a brochure called Help Stop Child Sexual Abuse. We distributed this brochure at the sessions held with Sheldon Kennedy.

This brochure states what child sexual abuse is, where to report abuse and provides the names of agencies that can provide assistance to those who have been abused. Additional copies of the brochure are being distributed across the NWT to boards, local offices, counselling agencies and shelters. I have distributed copies to all Members of this House.

Mr. Speaker, child abuse is a serious problem and we hope to raise awareness of this issue and the resources available to those in need. Children are our most important resource and we need to ensure that they grow up in a safe environment so that they have the opportunity to become contributing members of our society. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 20-13(6): Child Abuse Prevention

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 97

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 21-13(6): Status Of NWT Housing Corporation's Homeownership Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr.

Speaker, I rise today to provide the House with a status report on the success of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation's initiatives to promote homeownership. In the early 1990's the corporation was spending over 70 percent of its budget on public housing, most of that money came from Ottawa. However, starting in 1992 the federal government began reducing and two years later eliminated funding for the construction of new public housing units.

Mr. Speaker, this meant the corporation had to shift its focus from building public housing to programs that helped northerners build their own homes. The corporation realized that many families living in public housing could afford the cost of running their own homes, but needed some help financing the construction. By assisting these families to move out of public housing, Mr. Speaker, public housing units could then be reallocated to those families who were in greater need.

Mr. Speaker, while the corporation has been successful in providing more NWT residents with new homes, these homes come with high price tags for the clients and cannot be afforded by everyone. The population of the NWT is young and growing, the need for lower cost single family homes is also growing. The corporation has identified this problem and is already working on innovative solutions to solve it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 21-13(6): Status Of NWT Housing Corporation's Homeownership Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 98

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 22-13(6): Student Success

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I have some good news today about the growing number of high school graduates in the Northwest Territories. To date, this year we have graduated more high school students than ever before, a total of 325. We expect more before the end of the calendar year. This is an increase of nearly ten percent over the last year and nearly 100 percent since 1990 when Education, Culture and Employment put the grade extension policy in place.

Mr. Speaker, this policy is intended to improve student participation and success. I am pleased to say today that it has been effective. In 1990, only 60 percent of students had access to a high school education in their home community. That number has increased to 90 percent today. Students no longer have to leave the support of their families and communities to pursue secondary education. NWT participation rates in high school have also grown tremendously and today compare to the Canadian average. In 1990, about 45 percent of high school age northerners were enroled in school. Today, that number is close to 85 percent. By the year 2010, we expect that number to increase to 90 percent.

Many of our graduates are people who previously dropped out of school but returned when high school became available in their community. In most of Canada, the median age of high school graduates is 17 or 18; in the NWT as a whole, the median age is 19. In Nunavut, the median age of high school graduates is 20. Now that students can complete high school in their home communities, we find that students in their 30s, 40s and even 50s are returning to school and graduating. These students are to be commended for their efforts and success.

We know there is still a lot of room for improvement. Our graduation rate, even with recent increases, remains the lowest in Canada. However, I am confident that the number of high school participants and graduates will keep growing if we continue to improve access to and the quality of high school programs. We need to celebrate improvement and realize that as more people access and complete a secondary education the health and well-being of our northern society improves. A high school education opens up opportunities for jobs, for further education, for self-sufficiency.

I ask that we all acknowledge the commitment and support provided to our students by communities, families and educators across the Northwest Territories. I know I represent the Members of this House in wishing all the students in the NWT every success in this academic year.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 22-13(6): Student Success

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 23-13(6): Quebec Reference - Legal Perspectives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On August 20th the Supreme Court of Canada delivered its opinion in the Quebec Secession Reference. I will make a few comments on the legal issue and Mr. Kakfwi will speak about the national unity dimensions of this decision.

Three questions were put to the court which essentially asked:

- Under the Constitution of Canada can Quebec unilaterally separate from Canada?

- Under international law does Quebec have a right to unilaterally separate from Canada? - If the Constitution of Canada and international law conflict, which one is paramount?

The decision is about 80 pages long. But there are some points of particular interest to the people of the Northwest Territories and Nunavut which I would like to mention.

The Minister of Justice of the NWT intervened in the reference in November, 1996. Yukon, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Makivik, the Cree of Quebec, the Chiefs of Ontario and a number of other parties also intervened. The Government of Quebec refused to participate in the reference, so in July 1997, the court appointed a Quebec lawyer called an amicus curiae or friend of the court, to put forward any legal arguments that Quebec would probably have used if they had participated.

For the past 30 years there have been indications that the Parti Quebecois and other Quebec governments have wanted to expand into the marine areas and islands in Hudson Bay, James Bay, Ungava Bay and Hudson Strait. In December 1994, and again in September 1995, the Government of Quebec tabled sovereignty bills in their legislature which appeared to indicate that Quebec intended to unilaterally extend their jurisdiction into parts of the NWT and Nunavut. This was one of the reasons the GNWT intervened in this reference case. We do not believe Quebec has a valid claim to these areas, nor do we think that it was legal for Quebec to annex lands and waters in the NWT and Nunavut.

Intervenor aboriginal organizations argued that the Constitution, treaties/land claims agreements, aboriginal rights and international law required aboriginal consent before aboriginal peoples and their territories could be taken out of Canada. The federal government was evasive on the issue of protecting aboriginal rights in the event of separation. The federal government's legal arguments contended that aboriginal issues were important, but outside the scope of the three questions posed in the reference.

The decision made by the Supreme Court confirms that Quebec does not have a right under the Constitution of Canada to separate unilaterally. The court said that Quebec must obey the law, which includes the amending formula in the Constitution of Canada.

Typically in complex court decisions, everyone can find some support for their own position. In this decision, the court said that if a clear majority voted yes to a clear referendum question, Canada would be obliged to negotiate with Quebec. In these negotiations, virtually everything would be on the table. For example, boundaries would be on the table. The rights of aboriginal peoples and minorities would have to be taken into account.

There would be no presumption that Quebec could keep all of its present territory, and certainly there would be no presumption that Quebec could annex areas in Nunavut or Labrador. So Quebec might be diminished or expanded depending on the outcome of the negotiations. Mr. Speaker, we are continuing our assessment of the legal implications of this important decision, particularly of its relevance to aboriginal peoples and to the new territory of Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 23-13(6): Quebec Reference - Legal Perspectives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The Minister for National and Constitutional Affairs, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 24-13(6): Quebec Secession Reference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my colleague, the Minister of Justice has provided a

summary of some of the highlights of the Quebec Secession Reference. I would like to make a few comments about the political implications of this discussion. This decision essentially says that negotiations will be required if Quebec gets a clear yes vote on a clear question, in a referendum on separation. The decision also stresses that things will get very complicated in the event of a yes vote. But we are not on the brink of a referendum at this time. The Premier of Quebec, Mr. Bouchard, still must call an election.

The outcome of the next provincial election in Quebec will be a very important indicator of what we can expect in the coming years. If Mr. Bouchard cannot produce a convincing win, including a substantial majority of the popular vote, the likelihood of a referendum in the near future is not great.

The decision in the reference case is not likely to end the national unity debate. I think it is safe to say that the PQ will try to do things indirectly, if they cannot do them directly. The social policy reform talks, for example, provide Quebec and other provinces, with an opportunity to reduce federal influence in their jurisdictions. Quebec can be expected to incrementally increase its autonomy and bide its time. At the moment Mr. Bouchard has picked a fight with the Prime Minister to try to increase Canada's influence in international affairs. In his foreign travels he often adopts the vocabulary of statehood as though Quebec were already an independent country.

On the other hand, if the conditions for a yes vote do materialize in Quebec in the near future, the fact that northern Quebec is the homeland of aboriginal peoples, with constitutionally protected rights, will be a very important factor in any negotiations. Aboriginal peoples in northern Quebec have consistently and overwhelmingly voted against separation. They want to stay in Canada. There will probably be strong forces at work to keep these areas within Canada.

On the issue of aboriginal rights the Supreme Court said:

"The promise of s.35 of the constitution...recognized not only the ancient occupation of land by aboriginal peoples, but their contribution to the building of Canada, and the special commitments made to them by successive governments. The protection of these rights, so recently and arduously achieved, whether looked at in their own right or as part of the larger concern with minorities, reflects an important underlying constitutional value."

The court clearly stated that aboriginal interests would have to be taken into account in any negotiations concerning separation. The constitution guarantees the rights of aboriginal peoples and they cannot be ignored by Quebec or Canada.

When the GNWT intervened in the reference and raised the issue of Quebec attempting to annex certain islands, some people asked what all the fuss was about over a few isolated islands. More than a few islands are at stake. The area in question is quite extensive. To put it bluntly, Quebec believes these islands would give it a better claim to potentially resource-rich marine areas such as Hudson Bay, James Bay and Ungava Bay. Quebec separatists want these islands because of the very important role they could play in drawing maritime boundaries in international law.

I wrote to the federal minister and the Quebec government in 1995 to say that it would not be in the interest of northerners or Canadians generally to let these islands be spirited away by a separatist Quebec.

Many commentators, including some political leaders, have stated repeatedly that the federal government was wrong to take this reference to the Supreme Court. They argued that the matter was purely political. But all politics must operate within the limits of the law and that is one of the basic conclusions the court reached.

Along with our colleagues in the other provinces and territories, and the national and regional aboriginal organizations, we will have to take a careful look at this decision and its political ramifications in the weeks and months ahead.

Some obvious questions are:

- What constitutes a clear referendum question:

- What constitutes a clear majority?

- If there is a yes vote, who negotiates for the north and for aboriginal peoples?

- What process is used to make that decision?

- How will any deal be ratified by the Canadian people?

In closing, I believe it was important for the GNWT to intervene in this case and to bring to the attention of Canadians some of the issues which have been on the margins but which affect the north in very important ways. We must now be prepared to make sure that these unique interests are not forgotten or traded away with out our consent, in any dealings or negotiations surrounding Quebec separation. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 24-13(6): Quebec Secession Reference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' statements. Item 3, members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 47-13(6): Heavy Workload For Igloolik Nurses

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to make a statement regarding heavy workload experienced by the two nurses in Igloolik. There are only two nurses in Igloolik, and within the past 21 days, they have seen 435 patients. There was one particular person who has had a major surgery and had to be visited by the nurses while he is at home recovering. This patient just had heart surgery. During question period, I will be asking the Minister of Health regarding this situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends).

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Member's Statement 47-13(6): Heavy Workload For Igloolik Nurses

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 48-13(6): Expansion Of Iqaluit School

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, because of the anticipated growth associated with the creation of Nunavut, the federal government allocated monies under the Nunavut incremental infrastructure envelope. These monies were targeted to the decentralized communities and Iqaluit, as outlined in Footprints 1 and 2. As part of that program, Iqaluit was scheduled for a new seven-classroom school.

After reviewing the enrolment numbers and the unprecedented growth in the Tundra Valley and Happy Valley area of Iqaluit, it was quickly realized that the seven classroom facility as planned would be redundant at completion next fall. With support of the Iqaluit education authority and our departments of Public Works and Services, and Education, we began lobbying the federal government to come up with the extra money to expand the original seven classroom school to 11 classrooms. Needless to say, Mr.

Speaker, that most officials and departmental staff were not very hopeful that new monies could be found, although the demonstrated need was there.

Mr. Speaker, I met with the Honourable Jane Stewart earlier this summer about the situation and the redundancy issue of the new proposed seven classroom school. Ms. Stewart also had an opportunity in early July to travel to Iqaluit to see the increased development and growth first hand. At the end of July, DIAND announced that they would increase the proposed new Iqaluit middle school from seven to 11 classrooms. I would like to take this opportunity, Mr.

Speaker, to thank the Honourable Jane Stewart and the Nunavut Secretariat, our departments of Education and Public Works and Services and the Iqaluit education authority for their support and encouragement over these past several months of hard work on behalf of the people of Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 48-13(6): Expansion Of Iqaluit School

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Picco . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 49-13(6): Wildlife Act Amendments

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is regarding this government's obligation it made when land claims were settled as a signatory to those agreements, and also for this government to enact certain sections of the land claim agreements to bring it into effect. Mr. Speaker, what I am talking about is the whole area of the Wildlife Act of the Northwest Territories, where certain amendments have to be made to allow the Gwich'in and Sahtu agreements to take

part in enacting those sections which will give the boards and agencies of this agreement the authority to carry out its work and activities. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the Inuvialuit, who settled their claim in 1984, it took almost ten years for them to implement certain sections of their wildlife agreement. The Gwich'in agreement, which was signed in 1992, six years to the day, nothing has been done to ensure that those agreements are enacted so that that

section also can come into effect.

Mr. Speaker, I have asked this question to the Minister several times in regard to what is being done with the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development to ensure that this legislation is being carried out to its fullest, and the Government of the Northwest Territories is doing its part to ensure that legislation is drafted and passed through this House so those agreements can take effect. Mr.

Speaker, I feel it is time this government stood up and stated exactly when these agreements will have the power they need to carry them forth and the legislation drafted, so that this House can pass the appropriate legislation to enact these agreements so they can be carried out as they were negotiated, and the aboriginal groups and this government could work along ensuring that our wildlife is being protected, and also that boards have the ability to carry that out. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 49-13(6): Wildlife Act Amendments

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 50-13(6): State Of NWT Campgrounds

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the summer I had the opportunity to travel in our southern regions of our great country. During our trip, I was able to take my time and enjoy the sights along the roads. We often stopped at the rest areas to get out and stretch, and I realized that the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development has over the years, developed some very nice campgrounds and picnic areas, all easily accessible from the highways. We have some very beautiful areas that provide residents and tourists great pleasure and relaxation.

The department has done a very good job of developing and promoting the various parks and campgrounds it has. However, during my return to Rae-Edzo I looked at the picnic areas on the north side of the Mackenzie River and I found the picnic areas to be in fairly good condition. Between Fort Providence and Rae-Edzo we have two picnic areas for day use only; one at Chan Lake, and the other at North Arm. As I stated, both were in very good condition, but have had no real maintenance or expansion done to them in many years.

This past summer, the department did some brushing at North Arm. It has been years since any capital work was completed at these sites, and what is most disturbing is the fact that we do not have a campground anywhere between Fort Providence and Yellowknife. I believe the department should make an effort to find a place along Highway 3 that is suitable for a campground. The North Arm day use area is the only spot on the 340 kilometre

section of Highway 3 which has access to one of the world's largest lakes, Great Slave Lake. Yet, this government has not considered this spot to be considered for a campground. It is a very beautiful area, and I am sure tourists and residents alike would enjoy having a campground situated there. It has always been my understanding that in order to promote tourism, one must have facilities for tourists to stay and things for them to do. How can this be done when we lack

the most fundamental facilities to attract tourism, the campground? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 50-13(6): State Of NWT Campgrounds

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . The Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 51-13(6): Trailcross Child Care Facility

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to briefly rise and talk about an issue which is very important to the people of Fort Smith and, I believe, the children of the Northwest Territories, and that is the state and future of our child care program in Fort Smith at a place called Trailcross. The program that is run there is geared to treat children between 12 and 18 with mild to moderate behavioural and/or emotional problems. This facility has been in Fort Smith since the 60's and has decades of honourable history and service to the people and children of the north.

For the last number of years, given the fact that the building it is in is old and somewhat decrepit, the department has been studying whether, in fact, they should be renovating or replacing this building, and it started out with the need for possible minor renovations. Over the past two years this agonizingly slow at times review has not come to any conclusions. As we move into our final round of business plans as a territorial assembly, it is critical that this issue be resolved, that there be some

indication as to what is going to happen, how this very important program will be supported, and how this facility will be upgraded so that, in fact, we can continue to deliver an essential service to children in the Northwest Territories. Later, during question period, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister questions in regard to this very important program. Thank you very much.

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Member's Statement 51-13(6): Trailcross Child Care Facility

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 102

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 52-13(5): GNWT Payments To NWT Businesses

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past few years we have heard of many worthwhile initiatives this government has implemented with some aim to assist northern businesses. Clearly this government is attempting to provide many avenues geared to the business community and to encourage investment and establishment of new businesses in the north. Recently, a local business person shared their concerns regarding a system of payment established by this government, and the problems associated with it.

Amongst them were the regular glitches with computer systems, Christmas shutdowns and, of course, the occasional human error. Delays in receiving payments are frequent. This creates certain cash flow problems for businesses, especially when they rely solely on GNWT for revenue. This problem has a more dramatic effect on businesses in the smaller, isolated communities. Once a department receives an invoice, it is forwarded to the Department of Finance for processing. They in turn, will process a payment and issue a cheque via the mail system.

We are lucky here in Yellowknife that the mail system is originating in Yellowknife, and we receive these payments in a few days. Other communities have to wait much longer. Mr. Speaker, the problem does not end there.

In some communities, there are no bank services and the businesses in turn must send their cheques to a larger community for eventual deposit. These delays all add up to a lengthy process. Mr. Speaker, I understand there is a policy in place for issuing payments and I appreciate the fact that this government has attempted to streamline their system. I am aware that the policy to issue payments to northern businesses provides for a three-week turnaround and, yes, this is a far better cry than the precomputer days.

However, I believe we could do a great service to our northern business community by establishing a system of direct deposit or electronic payments where businesses can receive payments directly into their bank accounts. It is my understanding that the finance department does not have the current ability to provide this service because of a lack of software and manpower to establish such a system. We must look at the issue and give consideration to implementing a system whereby we can deposit the payments directly to businesses' bank accounts who provide services to this government. Mr.

Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and colleagues. We have the ability to use direct deposits with government payroll and some departments are using direct deposit now for issuing payments; the Department of Public Works and Services, and the Executive are two such departments. Mr. Speaker, let us support our business community across the territory. Who knows, maybe the money spent on software and implementation will be a cost-saving measure compared to what this government does spend on stamps, envelopes and labour? Later today, I will be asking the Minister of Finance for some further clarification on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Member's Statement 53-13(6): Cambridge Bay High School Fire

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Members are aware, on August 3rd the Killinik High School in Cambridge Bay was accidentally set on fire by three children playing with a camping stove under the deck of the school. The fire started at approximately 4:00 p.m. and lasted until the early morning hours of the following day. The loss of the high school building was a tragedy for all residents. Not only was the building the base for high school programming, it also contained the May Maghagak community library, the community gymnasium and the offices of the Kitikmeot Heritage Society. Mr.

Speaker, this building had undergone complete renovations and expansion over the past several years. It was originally the primary school built in the early 1970's. In 1994, it was turned into the high school, upon completion of the new Kullik Elementary School. Needless to say, as the only school in Cambridge Bay for over two decades, all residents have been impacted by this loss.

The Killinik High School loss has also impacted the Kullik Elementary School, which shared its mechanical, electrical and municipal service systems with the high school. I am pleased to report that temporary systems were put in place within a couple of weeks to ensure that the Kullik Elementary School could open. Mr. Speaker, I wish to recognize and extend thanks to all individuals who helped out during the fire, in particular, the volunteer firefighters and water truck operators who spent the evening, night and early morning fighting and containing the blaze. Mr.

Speaker, on behalf of the residents of Cambridge Bay, I also wish to recognize and thank the many organizations, agencies and individuals throughout the NWT and Canada who have offered to assist the community after the fire. This tragic loss to the residents of Cambridge Bay has once again drawn the community closer together.

A number of community and government groups have come together to ensure that high school programs would be ready for the start of the school year, which began more or less on time in late August for high school students, and early September for elementary school students. These groups include the local education authority, the hamlet council, the management and staff of Killinik High, the divisional board, Nunavut Arctic College, and the GNWT through Education, Culture and Employment, and Public Works and Services staff.

These groups got together to plan and put into place the necessary temporary classrooms and support facilities and supplies needed to get the high school programs up and running. Work is also fully underway for planning the new replacement facilities with a 1999 construction

schedule to coincide with a 2000 school year opening. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ng , you have unanimous consent.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in closing, I am sure this government and the incoming Nunavut government will ensure that the current and future needs of Cambridge Bay and its students will be adequately addressed as we move forward in replacing the loss of the Killinik High School and the services supported by that facility. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 103

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Members' Statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 54-13(6): GNWT Finding To St. John Ambulance

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 103

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, 26 years ago, the St. John Ambulance organization was invited by the government of the day to establish here in the Northwest Territories. Since that time, the organization has become an active contributor in almost every community in the NWT. The volunteers are well-known for their work in providing safety and first aid training courses. The St. John Ambulance brigade has volunteers who serve at numerous public functions. This past winter, for example, St.

John volunteers provided services at the Arctic Winter Games, which saw thousands of competitors and members of the public participating. The Arctic Winter Games alone, benefitted from more than 700 hours of volunteer first aid and safety services. Their involvement in large events, such as the Arctic Winter Games and similar public functions is important, not only for public safety, but also supports the professional functioning of events attended by many NWT residents.

St. John Ambulance is not just a first aid and safety training organization. They also undertake good work by providing youth programs. Programs for children six years and older give children in our communities a chance to build social skills, self-esteem, as well as knowledge and skills in first aid and safety. Unfortunately, in April of this year, the St. John Ambulance was told that they would no longer receive any further funding from the Government of the Northwest Territories. Last year, funding was cut in half from the $95,000 of two years ago. This year, their funding is zero.

This core funding went specifically into the operation of the organization's volunteer programs. On average, 1,000 hours of volunteer services were delivered throughout the NWT each year. The funding cuts will mean this service will no longer be available. I know that many organizations have been affected by government cutbacks, and, certainly, St. Johns took their fair share of cuts over the previous two years. However, given the nature of the service provided by St. John Ambulance and the overall benefit to the public, I strongly believe and would encourage the Minister that their funding be reinstated.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 103

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 55-13(6): Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 103

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to make a statement on the shortage of nurses in my home community of Tuktoyaktuk. I would like to bring out the fact that this really is a problem in all of my communities of Nunakput were there is a potential for shortage for nurses. This is not a new issue, Mr. Speaker, it has been developing for the past number of years. We have reached the point now where we are down to only two nurses in Tuktoyaktuk and a reduction of services to the public has occurred because of the shortage of time these nurses have to serve the public.

I have also been told that this problem has been brought to the attention of the health board on a number of occasions, but at this point in time there does not seem to be any favourable results. Later today, I will be asking the Minister of Health and Social Services , Honourable Ng, as to what his department is doing in dealing with this issue. Mr. Speaker, I am sure we do not want another situation where nothing is done until we reach a situation like in the Keewatin last year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 103

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 103

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize two of my constituents, Dave and Rachquel McNabb. Dave was the first president of Metis Nations of the Northwest Territories. He presently sits on the Deninoo Community Council in Fort Resolution and spearheaded the drive of zero tolerance for the Deninoo Community Council. I would like to request all Members to welcome my constituents to the Assembly. Thank you.

--Applause

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Page 104

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Welcome to the Assembly. Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 104

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time I would like to recognize a constituent of mine from Fort McPherson, Mr. Frank Smith.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 104

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 104

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure today to welcome in the gallery, Yeta Yensen, who is the deputy chief statistician of Greenland in town to explore cooperation with the GNWT and Nunavut government. Sitting next to Yeta, is a very good friend of mine, Bob and Mr. Miltenberger , Jack Hicks of RWED in Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 104

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 104

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In 1975 and 1979, I used to live in the Keewatin area in Coral Harbour. I would like to recognize the mayor of Coral Harbour visiting our Legislative Assembly. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Page 104

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Thompson .

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Page 104

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize Johnny Ningeongan, who is the mayor of Coral Harbour from my riding. It is a pleasure to have him here. He is meeting with the Ministers. I would also like to thank the Ministers for giving him time to meet with them. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 104

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 104

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a resident of Yellowknife South, Elaine Whitford. Elaine is the spouse of our Sergeant-at-Arms, Tony. Elaine has just returned from a volunteering assignment in Nepal. I believe she took a little rest and relaxation in Australia on the way back. If I may, Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize Mr. and Mrs. Dave Legros, in the gallery, residents of Yellowknife South and also to point out to my fellow Members in the Legislature that the Pages today are from Ecole St. Joseph's School in Yellowknife South.

They are Shawn Breman, Christine Do, Kayla Fisher, Elaine Hanaschuk, Crystal Legros, Chantelle McCarthy, Elise Babyn and Kyla Wright. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 104

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Welcome to the Assembly everyone. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Rabesca .

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Page 104

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not too sure if my constituent members are in the gallery, but they were, former chief of Dogrib Nation, Alexis Arrowmaker, along with Ted Blondin and Eddy Erasmus. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 104

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Question 55-13(6): Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 104

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I stated in my Member's statement, there is concern being expressed quite publicly in the community of Tuktoyaktuk about the shortage of nurses. Mr. Speaker, members of the public are now to the point where they are getting concerned as to the programs and services that will be available from the health centre. As I stated in my statement, the concern has been expressed to the health board in the past. There is no obvious, favourable results at this time.

I would like to bring the question to Minister Ng , the Minister of Health and welcome him back from his visit to the south and his meeting with the Health Ministers there. I would like to ask him a question as to whether his department is aware of the situation and what they are doing at this point on this issue? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 104

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Question 55-13(6): Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 104

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are fully aware of the seriousness of the situation. It is not just Tuktoyaktuk or the Beaufort Delta in these types of circumstances. We found over the course of the past couple of years, and certainly over the past few months, that there has been more than a considerable strain on the nursing profession, and nurse practitioners throughout the Northwest Territories as a result of the increasing recruitment from other jurisdictions, other countries, particularly the United States.

As the honourable Member noted, I just came from a federal/provincial/territorial Health Minister 's meeting. It is an issue that is not just within our jurisdiction, but certainly, a national problem as well, particularly in the rural areas and the remote locations of the northern provinces that operate very similar to the Northwest Territories. What we have done, Mr. Speaker, is quite frankly, we think there has to be a long-term solution in having Northerners recruited and placed in positions where they can hopefully, will stay and provide service to their own constituents, whether it is in their home community or certainly in the Northwest Territories. That is on a longer scale.

On the short-term, right now we are doing some work with our partners, the boards in trying to identify where we can fill in on a short-term basis, some of the immediate needs. We certainly have a concern in this area, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 55-13(6): Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 105

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Steen .

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Supplementary To Question 55-13(6): Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Question 55-13(6): Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 105

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this sounds like there is not going to be a short-term solution to the problem of the shortage of nurses. I am sure the House will agree with me that this problem is related to our salaries and benefits that are available to the nurses at this point in time. What I would like to know, Mr.

Speaker, could the department look into what services are going to be available to the community of Tuktoyaktuk considering there is only two nurses available and what services can be expected to be available and how long down the road is it going to be before services are brought back up to full standards? What I am asking for is some kind of a report to the House on this, from the Minister. Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question 55-13(6): Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Question 55-13(6): Tuktoyaktuk Nurse Shortage

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 105

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Mr. Ng .

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Page 105

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I had indicated, the department is working with boards throughout the territories to try to identify where the short-falls are, both on a short-term basis and on a medium-term basis as we know. When people give notice of their intent to leave and also knowing where some of the short-term replacement personnel may be for some of those boards and yes, we plan on putting in place after identifying those factors putting in place a plan to try to address the issues of services for constituents throughout the territories. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Steen .

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Page 105

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am glad to hear the Minister is going to put together a report on the issues of the territories, but I wonder if the Minister or his department could get in touch with the health board in Inuvik and find out exactly what services are available to the public in that particular community with the existing staff? I understand they are down to half of their staff right now. Right now, I am particularly concerned with that particular community. I understand that we can address the whole issue territorial wide, but it is going to take longer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with respect to the honourable Member's immediate concerns about Tuktoyaktuk, I can certainly provide that information to him as soon as it is available, but as I indicated, it is a territorial issue that has to be addressed on a territorial nature. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 56-13(6): Amittuq Nurse Shortage

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 105

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is a follow-up to Mr. Steen 's questions. My question is directed to the Minister of Health . It is concerning the two communities I represent, Igloolik and Pond Inlet. These two communities have the same concerns and their population is about the same with over 1000 people. They usually have two nurses on staff and have a very heavy workload. They work the majority of the time where there is usually only one or two nurses on staff. I wonder if the Minister can tell me when these communities can expect to get more nurses? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Page 105

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng . (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot speak on those communities as to when they may expect to have any additional nursing resources available to them because that responsibility lies with the board. Right now, our main focus as I indicated in my reply to the honourable Member for Nunakput , is trying to fill the vacancies with an existing nursing staff positions that are vacant. Before we can even look at expanding that, we have to deal with the existing shortfalls Mr. Speaker, with our partners, the boards. Thank you.

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(Translation) Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Evaloarjuk . (Translation ends)

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is there a policy in place indicating how many nurses there should be in a community according to their population as this is very important to me and what the policy is? For instance, if there are 500 people in a community, how many nurses can they have? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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(Translation) Thank you. Mr. Ng . (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no, there is no policy to my knowledge. Staffing has historically been set at the time of the 1988 federal transfer. The territorial government, at that time, the resources which were in place in the communities were transferred. Subsequent to that as a territorial government passed on some of the responsibilities to the boards, they made some adjustments within their service area in recognizing some communities growing faster than others and the needs of their communities in their service area. Thank you.

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(Translation) Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Evaloarjuk . (Translation ends)

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, Mr. Ng responded that for Nunakput there is a territorial-wide issue. Would the Minister of Health be able to tell us whether there is going to be more training for nurses in the north from the communities? If there is no training of northerners, what happens? (Translation ends)

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The Deputy Speaker

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(Translation) Thank you. Mr. Ng . (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, I have been in discussions with my honourable colleague, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment particularly about nursing programs and it is one of the areas that is in our Recruitment and Retention Plan that we plan on moving forward on. Thank you.

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(Translation) Thank you. (Translation ends) Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 57-13(6): Donation Of House For Iqaluit Homeless

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 106

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, last year the Baffin leaders meeting in Pangnirtung, and again this year they are meeting in Iqaluit, passed a motion supporting the Iqaluit homeless shelter. This past summer, the building was condemned by the Department of Health and was closed. The shelter was running at approximately 120 percent occupancy, Mr. Speaker.

In conjunction with several agencies in Iqaluit and our local Northwest Territories Housing Corporation office, we were able to fund a new building and I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Minister for the Housing Corporation for his pro-active work on this. I am wondering at this time, if the Minister could update us on that project, the homeless shelter in Iqaluit? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 106

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do recall the two important sessions I attended with the honourable Member, along with other Baffin MLAs, where they showed the homeless shelter. It was discussed in an attempt to come to grips with the growing numbers of homeless people, not only in Iqaluit, but in other parts of Nunavut, notably in Rankin Inlet and Cambridge Bay.

The homeless shelter in Iqaluit was indeed, closed after inspection by the environmental health officer and since then there have been attempts, the Member noted by several agencies and as of today, there is a plan to convert a one-bedroom public housing duplex into a new shelter. We have budgeted $57,000 to this project and we see our role as one of a support role, rather than lead role in getting this homeless shelter open again. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Page 106

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, indeed, this is a very serious situation that has developed over this past summer and with the cold weather coming we have approximately 20 to 30 people in Iqaluit who have been using that shelter and the facility was not able to sustain that number because of overcrowding. I am wondering, in the new facility does the Minister have any idea if indeed we would be enlarging that facility to allow for more people to take advantage of the homeless shelter because of the need in Iqaluit? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have actual numbers and estimates of how many this facility will be able to hold, but what I can say is, because of the growth in Iqaluit and the natural migration of people from other parts of Nunavut into that community that the number of homeless is sure to increase, and are increasing as of today. Our hope is that the new facility will be opened in October and there are these societies and groups that are working together to try to make it suitable and adequate for the numbers that will require this shelter.

I believe that once the facility is opened we will likely find that there will be more homeless than can be housed, but that is my personal projection. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Page 106

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a very serious concern and the Minister is right, that quite a few of the people actually using the shelter are coming from outside of Iqaluit. I am wondering, with the dramatic increase

in the homeless that we are seeing in Iqaluit, is there any way that the Minister could commit at this time with help from his department, and hopefully Health and Social Services, we could put some kind of contingency plan in place from other agencies of this government to help us alleviate this problem? Right now, the resources in Iqaluit from Town Social Services are being stretched to the limit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories is involved through the Housing Corporation's contribution of monies for the operations and maintenance and the conversion of this building to a homeless shelter. The Department of Health and Social Services is also involved with some funding. We also have ensured that there is a staff home put into this group.

The Emergency Shelter Society, the Town Social Services, the Regional Social Services and the Inuit Society are all working together and combining what resources are there, along with the government, to ensure that the homeless shelter is as suitable as possible given the resources. As I said, we are dealing with a growing problem. We are dealing with homeless, generally jobless people who are going to Iqaluit, in this case, to look for work and in many cases not finding any. In many cases dealing with the housing authority. The Department of Social Services is working to its maximum capacity. Thank you.

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Page 107

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past 18 months, as the Minister knows, and I appreciate the support that his department has been giving me and the people of Iqaluit who are working on this issue, but like I said, we passed a motion last year with the Baffin leaders and we did it again this year. The reality is, Mr. Speaker, that indeed, the facility that is planned, will not be big enough to handle the capacity that was in the shelter before it closed down.

I am wondering if the Minister and maybe some other Ministers in the House, could help coordinate a working group to help me and the people of Iqaluit deal with this very serious and pressing issue over the next couple of days so I can get back to my constituency that something proactively is being done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think I can safely say that the resources we have in the Housing Corporation and the department are ones where they are at the level that we can commit to at this point in time. That is to say that all other resources are spoken for at this time, but we are working very closely with other agencies. You have to remember that there are other communities, Rankin Inlet, Cambridge Bay, in Nunavut who are dealing with this, in addition to the very severe shortage of general public housing across Nunavut and we are also facing a similar situation in the western Arctic.

The only thing I could add is that we have approached Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated and asked them at the Baffin Leaders Summit to allocate their projected surplus into the homeless in Nunavut and, as I recall from the meeting that we had with them, they said they would take it to their board. Also, the mayor of Iqaluit recently sent a strong message to all mayors in the Baffin to ensure that their councils and the housing authorities in the communities were aware of this problem, and that the town of Iqaluit was having a very difficult time dealing with the housing needs of people, in general from outside the Iqaluit area and from other communities. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 58-13(6): Rent At Elders' Centres

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 107

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minster responsible for Health and Social Services, it relates to the high cost of rent for elders staying in elder centres in my particular riding. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that upon retirement at 60 years of age that elders are not required to pay rent. That being the case, why are other elders at the elders' centre required to pay approximately $720 a month for rent? Thank you.

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Page 107

The Deputy Speaker

John Ningark

Thank you. To allow for translation, we will pause momentarily between the question and the responses. The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the honourable Member is speaking about elders' facilities where there are additional supports that are provided besides just basic rent. I believe there are meals and some homemaker services. I do not know exactly for his particular question, on which facility, which community he refers to, but I can certainly get that information for him and advise him on that. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I realize there are some extra duties in this arrangement such as meals and I believe that a person stays through the night to oversee

the elders, but at the same token, if we were to take this elder and put them in a residence, pay for the residence, pay for the heat, the power, the upkeep, certainly there would not be that much of a difference between that and housing them in the so-called elder centres. My question to the Minister is, would he consider reviewing the rent, the fee that these elders pay, with a special look at elders or hardship cases? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I certainly would be willing to take a look at it. I did want to make the point again that we are talking about extended level care facilities and not just basic accommodation. There is a difference in that respect, where an individual is or does have 24-hour care available to them. Certainly I do not think there are any financial hardships on the individuals who may be in those types of situations because our support system allows for individuals to not be penalized and not have to endure financial hardships in accessing services from this government. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I beg to differ with the Minister because I have spent many visits to the elders' centre in my community and I know, from seeing first-hand that there are hardships. For example, if the fee is $720 a month and the elder gets $900 a month through his Old Age Pension, that does not leave a lot of money. My question would be, the Minister indicated that they have a service where they off-set to ensure that there are not any hardships. What formula do they use to make sure that elders do not find themselves in a situation where they have no money to buy, whether it be tobacco or personal supplies and so on? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can vaguely recall this issue because it came forward in this House. It was one of the major reforms under long-term care and standardization of the rates that we had in our extended care facilities and we are talking about three years ago. At that time, there was an accommodation made, where I believe, raised the level of disposable income for all residents to approximately $200 a month, $150 to $200 a month range for individuals because all their other expenses, if they were in these extended care facilities, would be looked after by the government. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that did not quite answer my question. I am asking what has been put in place to make sure that the elders are not put in a difficult situation by not having enough funds to buy personal supplies and tobacco, et cetera. What is the formula?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is no formula. I said that it was either $150 or $200 a month of disposable income that they are allowed, if their income is over and above that of the rental rates. I will confirm the actual number and get back to the Member on that. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier with regard to my Member's statement about the whole area of establishing legislation to be able to enact a lot of the Claims Agreements where there are certain sections that relate to items such as the Wildlife Act to carry out activities, such as enforcement by our Wildlife Officers, basically giving the boards and agencies established through these agreements the authority to carry out their rules and responsibilities which are in these Land Claims Agreements.

I would like to ask the Premier in regard to the Gwich'in Agreement which was signed off in April 1992. That was six years ago and nothing has been done to date to ensure that the legislation is being drafted and being readied to be passed through the House so that these agreements are ready to be enforced. Without the appropriate legislation, these agreements cannot come forth and the enforcement arm of this government cannot carry out their responsibilities.

I would like to ask the Premier when does he see the Wildlife Act amendments being proposed to this House, to ensure these claims or agreements are being taken care of and the obligations we have as a government to ensure that those agreements are enforced? Thank you.

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Thank you. The honourable Premier , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will take that question as notice so I can get the Member a complete and detailed answer.

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Question 60-13(6): NWT Campgrounds

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, referring to my Member's statement regarding the campsites along the Mackenzie Highway between Yellowknife and Rae-Edzo, I wonder if the Minister responsible for Tourism has any studies or anything planned for the future construction of the campsite between here and Rae-Edzo and along the Mackenzie Highway between Yellowknife and Fort Providence? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. The honourable Member for North Slave . The Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I will take that question as notice so I can give the Member a complete detailed answer. Thank you.

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Question 61-13(6): Status Of Trailcross Facility

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . It is in regard to my Member's statement and the status of the review of the facility Trailcross. When can a conclusive answer be expected in terms of what type of renovations, if any, will take place or will a new building be constructed? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our officials are currently under discussion with Public Works and staff and with the Fire Marshall's office on what types of renovations are required for the Trailcross building. As the honourable Member noted, it is a facility that is well over 20 years old and we think it has out used its life cycle which is coming to an end. It is matter of the cost efficiency necessary whether to renovate or build a new facility that has to be considered. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this facility and its fate and its status has been under review now for almost two years and I realize that the wheels of government grind slow and fine but would the Minister please put a date on this, hopefully in this century, that this issue will be on the table with some dates that we can look at and specific plans we can see and address. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are two issues here that have to be taken into consideration in respect to Trailcross. First of all, it is the facility itself, the infrastructure that houses the programming. The programming is the other side of the equation here on what needs are going to required and can be delivered out of the Trailcross facility or the community of Fort Smith in the future.

In that vein there is a Child and Youth Services Reform Strategy that is ongoing now to identify the needs of the Western Territory children, both those that are currently being treated in the territories and those that are being treated outside the territories. That is another component before undertaking, knowing what facility has to be put in place and knowing what program is going to have to be delivered.

I will clarify as much as possible to the honourable Member and advise him that in respect to the infrastructure, the facility itself, that one way or another there is going to have to be some renovations take place at a minimal until such a time as a new replacement facility can be planned and put into place as a result of anything that would come out of the operational view of the programs. With that, I think it would be safe to say that within the next 30 to 60 days we can nail down exactly what renovations would have to take place at least on interim basis for that facility. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I look forward to that response in the next 30 to 60 days. My question now, I would like to switch then to the issue that the Minister has raised with related to the Trailcross actual building is the program review. My concern would be, in fact, that the way it sounds is that this particular review is going to extend long past the life of this government and in effect, we are going to leave here not knowing what is going to be happening with child welfare services in the west. Can the Minister commit to giving us some sort of an update?

They have been working on this now for a considerable length of time as well, and I am very concerned that we are going to be leaving our fate totally in the hands of possibly well intentioned civil servants but without any clear political direction as we leave office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is, as we all know, a very serious issue and we want to undertake and do it properly. There is a lot involved in assessing what treatment needs are there right now for the children that we have in our care and the needs of those in the territories and outside the territories. I would say that I share the Member's concern on the timing of the matter. I do not know quite frankly, if I am going to be the Minister of Health and Social Services when this review is complete.

As it stands now, it is in the next fiscal years' business plan in respect of a strategic direction and strategic plan and initiative so I would think that it would be within a short time-frame of the new fiscal year coming in that this work would be concluded. I cannot be more conclusive than that because I cannot commit because I will not be here, Mr. Speaker, on dealing with this matter. Thank you.

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