Debates of June 14th, 1995

This is page numbers 1311 - 1340 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was education .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Norman Wells Fire

Item 3: Members' StatementsRequirement In Repulse Bay For Vehicle To Transport Patients

Appreciation For Assistance In Fighting Sahtu Forest Fires

Deh Cho Women's First Nations Gathering

Water Safety

Third Reading Of Federal Firearms Legislation

Study Of Sports In The Northwest Territories

Improvements Required To Lake Harbour Airstrip

Need For Yellowknife To Embrace Impending Changes

Concerns With Implementation Of Bill 32

Call For Proposals For Photocopy Services

Departmental Policy On Transportation Of Patients

Item 6: Oral Questions

Status Of Northern Accord Negotiations

Position Of Aboriginal Leaders On GNWT Position On Self-government

Status Of Bip Review

Review Of Request For Proposals For Air Tanker Contract

Funding For Deh Cho Economic Conference

Appointment Of Supreme Court Justice

Regional Consultation On Housing Issues

Summer Employment Initiatives For Kltlkmeot Students

Relocation Of Polar Bear Management To Baffin Region

Officers For Truck Inspections On Highway System

Status Of Bird Dog Officers

Departmental Responsibility For Termination Of Employees

Return To Written Question 26-12(7): Requirements For NWT Health Care Cards

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 10: Petitions

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Appearance Of Western NWT Aboriginal Leaders In Committee Of The Whole

Bill 34: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Committee Report 11-12(7): Report On The Review Of Bill 25 - The Education ActBill 25: Education Act

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 32:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mrs. Thompson , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arngna'naaq . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 91-12(7): Norman Wells Fire

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is with a great deal of pleasure and relief that I am able to report to you today that the Norman Wells fire is controlled on the front toward the community of Norman Wells. The fire centre will be recommending to the emergency measures organization that they can begin plans to return people back to their homes.

Six crews with support from three helicopters, three caterpillars and various other equipment are in the process of completing what they refer to as a "cat line" which is built along the edge of the fire to ensure the fire will not cross into unburned forest if it flares up again. Because of the dry conditions and the low water table, it is likely the fire will continue to smoulder for a long time. My staff will continue to monitor the fire area for the rest of the summer, but after the edges are fully secured there will be no further action on the fire.

Again, I want to express my appreciation to all of the people involved in various ways in responding to the fire situation including community leaders, residents who were evacuated, fire crews, managers and supervisors, and all the people who stayed behind in the community to carry out essential services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 91-12(7): Norman Wells Fire

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Item 3: Members' StatementsRequirement In Repulse Bay For Vehicle To Transport Patients

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The health centre in Repulse Bay is in need of a vehicle to transport patients. Currently, residents of the community have to rely on the hamlet community service trucks to transport them when they are seriously ill. Often, people are reluctant to call the service men in the middle of the night knowing that they have to work in the morning. A lot of times, seriously ill people are forced to travel by skidoo or four-wheeler and, in some cases, even by sled.

I am told that in the wintertime, patients who cannot walk to the health centre or airport are wrapped in sleeping bags and transported on stretchers in the back of pick-up trucks or on komatiks, with IVs attached to them. This is obviously not a safe way to move sick or injured individuals.

Mr. Speaker, the health centre was built with an attached garage so there is already a facility in place to house a vehicle. The local nurse would be responsible for the automobile to ensure that it is only used for medical purposes. I would urge the Department of Health and Social Services to act quickly so that the health and well-being of the residents of Repulse Bay is no longer placed at risk. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Item 3: Members' StatementsRequirement In Repulse Bay For Vehicle To Transport Patients

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Appreciation For Assistance In Fighting Sahtu Forest Fires

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I wish to put on record my appreciation to the people of Yellowknife for the way in which they, on such short notice, took action to receive and make as comfortable as possible the people who were evacuated from Norman Wells last week, and the tremendous support that has come forward from the Mayor Dave Lovell and his counsellors. The way in which the entire operation was carried out is something to be very proud of. On behalf of the people of Norman Wells, I want to thank, again, the people of Yellowknife, the mayor and his council.

The people of Fort Norman have also expressed over and over again, their deep appreciation and gratefulness that they feel towards the people of Norman Wells for the support and the way in which they were also received by that community once the community of Fort Norman was evacuated.

The community of Norman Wells; I want to put on the record, the impression that I had in spending three days with them last week, how well organized they were, how committed they were to the work they were doing, and my own observations were that although people were put under such pressure and stress for such a long period of time, they carried out their work so well, in spite of the difficulties that they encountered.

Max MeInyk, the mayor of Norman Wells, the council and the emergency measures organization there took care of Fort Norman and then themselves, in turn. I should also mention.

the chief of Deline, John Tetso, who was called literally on one-hour notice to receive over 370 people from Fort Norman. And who, in six hours, was able to receive that many people and house them.

Mr. Speaker, I request consent to complete my statement.

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Appreciation For Assistance In Fighting Sahtu Forest Fires

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Sahtu is requesting consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Appreciation For Assistance In Fighting Sahtu Forest Fires

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and honourable Members. The people of Deline have also opened up their homes in their community to receive their friends and relatives. There have been literally no complaints or concerns that have come out of that community since they arrived in Deline, and it's all to the credit of the chief and council of Deline and the residents of that community.

I think something has to be said about the cooperation, effort and extra work put in by the RCMP in the Sahtu communities, and the excellent working relationship they had with each of the communities that I have mentioned: the nurses, the social workers, the extra people who were brought in by Health and Social Services. All have provided a great deal of support and help to those communities. They pitched in and did more than their share of work in Norman Wells, in Deline and Fort Norman, and, of course, here in Yellowknife.

It is not exactly over, but I have counselled all the people I've talked with that, surely as in any operation, there were a few hiccoughs. The emergency measures operations in Norman Wells, Fort Norman and here in Yellowknife may have suffered a few mishaps. Now is not the time to air those. There will bea full accounting, I am sure, of the operations that were carried out, and people will have ample opportunity to question the manner in which these operations were carried out.

At this time, we must continue to support those people who were put in charge of these operations: Renewable Resources, throughout this operation; for myself, keeping in close touch with the operators and the superintendent in Norman Wells; the deputy minister of Renewable Resources; the Honourable Don Morin , who has provided excellent information and support has been a great comfort to myself; and, to many of the people who have asked for information.

I'm sure we've assured the people in the Sahtu that the many questions they have about the conduct of the department, the policies that this government follows in firefighting, that there will be a day and a time to explain and to have questions aired in a proper manner. For that, there is confidence that people will see that things were done in the best interests of the people. Thank you, very much.

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Appreciation For Assistance In Fighting Sahtu Forest Fires

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Deh Cho Women's First Nations Gathering

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker, Members of this House. On Friday, June 9th, I was honoured to have been invited to address the Deh Cho women's First Nations gathering in Fort

Simpson which was held from June 9th to June 11th. The Deh Cho women addressed the serious undermining of the aboriginal people today with their eyes open and a determination to deal with our needs, having particular emphasis on youth and elders. Many symptoms were identified and addressed.

Certainly, these have been pointed out here, as in other forums. However, the Deh Cho women's First Nations gathering addressed many solutions within the power of the aboriginal community today. Much of the power to regain pride, to reinvigorate our elders and to calm our children comes from within ourselves and a reinstatement of our own beliefs in our culture and teachings. Men and women play an equal role in these issues, not to compete with each other, but to complement our collective strength and shore up one another's weaknesses.

The members of the aboriginal community are the only ones who can participate in redefining itself. The role of government is to support this process, by helping communities incorporate their needs into viable planning and ensuring the protection of aboriginal rights in the future.

I would like to congratulate the efforts of the Deh Cho women's First Nations gathering and hereby will be tabling the resolutions passed during their deliberations at the appropriate time. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Deh Cho Women's First Nations Gathering

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Water Safety

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I, too would like to add my support to what Mr. Allooloo had to say yesterday about water safety. I would also like to take this opportunity to congratulate the Department of Transportation and the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs for their upcoming public service announcement campaign on water safety.

I had the opportunity to participate in that in a small way, by reading a few lines that say: "Everybody enjoys the lakes and rivers in the north. Some people fish, others swim and many travel the waters by boat and by canoe. Lots of people don't wear their lifejackets and they risk their lives every day they go out on the water. Your family needs you, we need you, so please, make sure you always wear your life jacket." Now, that's the message that a number of us and, certainly, the departments are trying to get out.

However, each year we still lose two or three people to water accidents, not to mention those who manage to escape by sheer luck. These need not happen, Mr. Speaker, if we observe a few simple rules:

1) Make sure you're familiar with water safety procedure;

2) Water and alcohol don't mix; and,

3) You always wear your lifeiacket and insist that all of your family and guests on your boat wear lifejackets.

A message that some of my colleagues in a different profession said I should mention is that you may look very macho to your friends and family but, to the RCMP and the coroners who are recovering you, you all look the same: you look dead. If you don't want that to happen, wear your lifejacket.

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Water Safety

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Third Reading Of Federal Firearms Legislation

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to offer some comments and opinions about Bill C-68, the gun control legislation. There have been a lot of eloquent statements made by my colleagues in this House about the events and negotiations leading up to the gun control legislation, which was passed yesterday. I was very dismayed and appalled that Bill C-68 did get passed by the House of Commons yesterday. I believe the amendments to the bill do not go far enough in terms of dealing with the issues raised by people in the north.

Of special concern are issues raised by aboriginal people with respect to their rights to hunt, trap and fish and to use firearms for their livelihood. The other areas are outlined in some of the claim agreements and have to do with the levying of fees for registering and getting certificates and licenses. The two agreements I'm familiar with -- the Inuvialuit final agreement and the Gwich'in settlement agreement -- have statements in them that protect the rights of these people. They should not have to pay for permits, licenses or other authorizations. The gun control bill comes under that.

Also, in terms of the consultation process, the latest committee that went around went to Inuvik, Tsiigehtchic and Fort McPherson. The response the committee received there was very similar to what they heard across the territories: our people were very upset at the short notice and the type of consultation they came to do. I believe the bill has now gone up to the Senate, and we should continue our lobbying efforts as hard as possible. Mahsi.

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Third Reading Of Federal Firearms Legislation

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Koe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .

Further Gun Control

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Third Reading Of Federal Firearms Legislation

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, am not surprised but distressed by the passage of Bill C-68 which was given third reading in the House of Commons yesterday.

I would like to take this opportunity, Mr. Speaker -- I commented on the feeble amendments that were introduced yesterday -- to announce the formation of the new Nunatsiaq Coalition against further gun controls. This organization, Mr. Speaker, has sprung into existence out of the strong and deeply-felt concern against this new federal gun control law. The objects of this new organization are to oppose further gun controls which say are intrusive, unfair and unreasonable to the legitimate aspirations of law-abiding, responsible firearms owners and users. The coalition is working very hard to demand accountability of their elected representatives.

Although newly organized, they have sought support and received extensive support for a petition which has been circulated through the good offices of hunters' and trappers' organizations from Kitikmeot to Keewatin and Baffin. The petition, which I'll table later today, has 1,000 names on it and is growing by the day. The coalition represents aboriginal and non-aboriginal hunters and firearms owners in Nunatsiaq. It is strong and determined.

Mr. Speaker, I know that the MP for the Western Arctic today in a radio interview stated that there may be a silent majority in her riding who support the new gun control bill. I feel very confident in saying, and I know the Nunatsiaq coalition against further gun controls proves, that is certainly not the case in Nunatsiaq riding. This remains a very serious issue, and the last won't be heard of it from the passage of this bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Third Reading Of Federal Firearms Legislation

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Study Of Sports In The Northwest Territories

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I see that the government is conducting a study on this subject or that subject, then I first of all ask myself what the purpose of the study is.

I know that there is an individual who is trying to gauge how important sport is to the people of the Northwest Territories. He has talked to several Members today. A study on sport, whenever you see it come out of the blue like this, makes you think that here is one more thing, maybe, that's being examined as a frill. Maybe we could save some money it we don't do this or we can cut it back.

I would like to say something about that, Mr. Speaker, publicly, because all my life, and as I get older, I have become even more convinced that one of the ways in which young people grow is to really become involved in some kind of physical activity, whether an individual sport or a team sport, because in the long run, your society is going to depend on the health, the fitness and the vigour of your young people.

Member's Statement On Nunatsiaq Coalition Against I see the huge changes that have taken place in the Northwest Territories, from camp life where people were very active and engaged and busy all the time, to urban life where there are different challenges. When you see young people getting. involved in vigorous activity, you realize that this is one way in which young people develop, learn all the values of cooperation, competition and associating with people, achieving goals and objectives that you set for yourselves; sport has always done that. At every school I have ever worked over a long career, Mr.

Speaker, I found that it went together. You could get kids up at six o'clock in the morning to go to train or practice for some important events. You

couldn't get them out for an early math class but you could certainly get them out for something like that.

I would be very disappointed if this government sees the opportunity to save a few dollars by taking away something which is very valuable for young people in the development of their personalities and their lifestyles. I would hate to see us drawing support from it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Study Of Sports In The Northwest Territories

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Improvements Required To Lake Harbour Airstrip

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In this House, we have heard a lot in the past few years about the subject I am going to be talking about. I want to bring this up again while I am still a Member of this Assembly.

There is a very short airstrip in my constituency. It's in between hills and mountains. As we all know, Mr. Speaker, we are aware that there was going to be an improvement there in 1987 when we still had the BRC in the region at the time. There was going to be an improvement made to that airstrip.

I think this is very important to the safety of the community and to the aircraft that travel to and from the community. We are all aware that there has been no major mishap, but when the windis blowing from the south, you have to go straight towards a hilly area to take off and to land.

Mr. Speaker, I want to remind this government that they owe these small communities and my community of Lake Harbour for improvement of airstrips and to remind the Minister of Transportation that they have to service all of the communities, even if they are small and poor, to prevent mishaps or accidents in the future.

There have been funding cuts. We all know that, but I think that we owe our people good facilities so that they'll be safer and so we don't have to spend further money in the future. I just wanted to remind the Members that this is still a concern in my constituency. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Need For Yellowknife To Embrace Impending Changes

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Northwest Territories as we know it is changing quickly. Yellowknife, as the capital city, must embrace those changes. I have been in politics for 17 years and there have been tremendous changes here in Yellowknife. The infrastructure that is in place now, the opportunities that are in place now in Yellowknife are so much greater than they were 17 years ago.

A lot of people who ave worked very hard in building Yellowknife deserve a lot of credit for the effort that has gone Into it. Today we have a city that we can be very proud of and a city that has no equal for its size anywhere in the country.

I hear criticisms from some people in Yellowknife. Some don't think they are well looked after. They don't think that they have everything that they want. But the reality is, Mr. Speaker, most of those criticisms come from people who have just come to Yellowknife in recent years. Those who have been here a long time recognize the support that Yellowknife has had from the Legislative Assembly and from successive governments in order to build that infrastructure. Yellowknife has done very well by this Legislative Assembly over the years. I just wanted to put that on the public record.

The face of Yellowknife is changing rapidly. I would say that close to 25 per cent of the population today is aboriginal, and probably by the year 2000 closer to 50 per cent of the Yellowknife population will be aboriginal. Young people tend to gravitate towards larger centres, so I see the political dynamics in the western Arctic changing significantly over the next five to 10 years, where aboriginal people will start to embrace Yellowknife as their city.

As I said, over the years, Yellowknife MLAs, with the support of this Assembly, have been able to bring a lot of infrastructure into Yellowknife, have been able to protect jobs in Yellowknife; but times are changing, Mr. Speaker. Division, the impending federal government cutbacks and the stronger regions in the western Arctic will bring sweeping changes to the structure and size of government across the territories, especially here in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Need For Yellowknife To Embrace Impending Changes

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Need For Yellowknife To Embrace Impending Changes

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

I think it's incumbent upon me as an MLA to say to the people of Yellowknife that things will change. The Yellowknife that we know is going to be changing rapidly, and we have to start preparing for that change. To try to put our head in the sand and say somehow the status quo will be maintained I think is misleading and dishonest to our constituents.

Having said that, Mr. Speaker, I think the western Arctic and Yellowknife have a tremendous future. We have everything going for us. There are only 40,000 people with vast resources. I think we have a very skilled population. Though we argue amongst ourselves, at the end of the day I'm convinced we'll come together and we're going to make it work.

In the future, I think Yellowknife has to draw upon its strengths. As I said before, it has unmatched infrastructure here in the territories. It has a trained workforce. It has a critical mass of population whereby you can have investment opportunity, whereby you can bring in the larger opportunities from southern Canada, where you can bring in the banking and financial institutions. So I think it's very important for the western Arctic to have a Yellowknife. It's also very important for Yellowknife to recognize that without the support and the interaction with the rest of the western Arctic, Yellowknife can't thrive.

I think that Yellowknife has to get back to its roots. It started off as a very important mining centre, and I see the potential in mining as tremendous. I'm happy to see this mayor and city council are trying to take advantage of that, and are out there pursuing opportunities in mining.

I also see Yellowknife having to really improve their relationship with regions. All too often, Yellowknife has sat in splendid isolation. We, in this House, have heard many times some of the frustration by people across the territories. I think it's time for Yellowknife -- and the mayor and council are starting on this-- to embrace the regions. I think that Yellowknife in partnership with the regions strengthens everybody.

So, Mr. Speaker, I think that at the end of the day if there is proper planning, if there is leadership, creativity and goodwill, I think the people of Yellowknife can move towards 2000 with a lot of confidence and a lot of energy. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . Item 3, Members' statements.

--- Interruption in Proceedings

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The House will come back to order. We're still on item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Concerns With Implementation Of Bill 32

Members Present

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate my honourable colleague for Yellowknife Frame Lake, Mr. Dent , on what I expect to be the imminent passage of Bill 32 .

--- Applause

As you know from your own experience as a Member, Mr. Speaker, it's not always easy to bring forward a private Member's bill and I applaud Mr. Dent 's effort and conviction in doing so.

At the same time, though, Mr. Speaker, I remain troubled as I see this bill go on to third reading.

Mr. Speaker, I will always support any endeavour which serves to preserve and enhance the integrity of this House. In retrospect, I believe that Bill 32 will do that. But I remain very concerned about a loophole that exists with regard to Members who may receive a conditional discharge, and I am certain that the legal profession will make every effort to capitalize on it.

I am also concerned, as I stated during standing committee hearings and again during debate in this House, that Mr. Dent 's initiative does not go far enough. I believe that there is a far broader range of offences, including bootlegging, impaired driving, illegal possession of drugs, fraud and others that should have been included. I believe that any Member found guilty of these should not be allowed to sit in this House.

I have already stated my concerns over the potential

interpretation of threatened violence or attempted assault, and I wonder what our constituents must think when we become so buried in legal

definitions and case law that we're not even sure whether our laws reflect what we mean.

But, Mr. Speaker, what troubles me most about seeing Bill 32 passed through this Legislature is that just one more signal of a disturbing trend in Canada; a trend that is pushing all difficult decisions into the courts to decide.

Mr. Speaker, while I applaud Mr. Dent 's efforts, this bill runs contrary to the basic belief that I have in our democratic system. It is my belief that it should be up to the people who decide when an elected representative is to be removed, not an outcome of a sentencing hearing in a court. Decisions to expel a Member should occur through an election or when other elected Members choose to exercise the rules of the House.

I am troubled by the increasing Canadian trend of pushing almost every decision into the courts through Charter challenges, constitutional

interpretations and so forth. We will take a 10-minute break, please. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue.

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The Speaker

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The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

I am troubled when I see basic common-sense decisions -- like the decision to expel an elected representative who sexually exploits children or assaults another person -- are now being codified in the written laws of our land. Mr. Speaker, the power to exercise those common-sense decisions should be left in the hands of the people who elected us, not the courts. That's especially true here in the north where, for centuries, our elders and leaders did not have to rely on written law. They don't need to have some university-trained judge to tell them what is morally or right to do. Mr. Speaker, those decisions should be with the people who elected us.

Mr. Speaker, I find it absolutely regrettable that Cabinet should vote as a block to defeat the principle of recall, which would have reinforced the people's power to remove a Member. If we had embraced that concept, Mr. Speaker, I don't believe that Bill 32 would have been necessary. Choices about the potential expulsion of MLAs would have remained where they should be, with the voters of the Northwest Territories. I want to put on the record that I will be voting in favour of Bill 32 at third reading, Mr. Speaker. Because, as I said, I believe that when all things are said and done, it is a good bill.

But, I will be voting with a feeling of concern in my heart and I hope all Members will take at least a moment to ponder the direction

in which we are moving, as we enact this legislation. Thank you.

---Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question 599-12(7): Call For Proposals For Photocopy Services

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Public Works and Services . Mr. Speaker, on Monday, I asked the Minister a question about a call for proposals for copying services that had been undertaken by the Housing Corporation, and I would like to thank the Minister for having responded by letter to me with some details on that call for proposals so quickly. One question is still outstanding and that is, does this call for proposals represent a change in government policy where large-volume copying will now be contracted out?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is no change in the policy regarding the use of office photocopiers and none is planned in the near future. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Thompson .

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Question 600-12(7): Departmental Policy On Transportation Of Patients

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today in my Member's statement, I referred to the serious problem experienced by sick people in Repulse Bay who need safe transportation to the health centre or to the airport. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Is it an approved practice of your department to transport seriously-ill patients on sleds or in the back of pick-up trucks?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the matter of the community health centre vehicles in Repulse Bay, the health centre has two skidoos and one all-terrain vehicle and the health centre has two community health nurses. The health board indicates that the number of vehicles is sufficient. The other back-up that the health centre has is that the nurse on call is allowed to take the vehicle home for government business and return to the health centre to see a patient.

Mr. Speaker, the position of the Keewatin Regional Health Board is that it supports local enterprises, such as taxi services. Under the medical travel policy and the non-injured health benefits agreement, ground transport does not pay for travel within the community to go to the airport. The board has indicated to me that it has made its policy positively clear and they are abiding by their general policy where, when a closed in vehicle is required, they support the use of local taxi services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

I don't think the Minister of Health and Social Services knows that there are no taxis in Repulse Bay. I guess my question is, will the Minister undertake to make sure that a solution can be found so that the nursing station can have access to a van or have a van to transport patients who are seriously ill, so they don't have to depend on a four wheeler or a skidoo to transport them back and forth or on pick-up trucks that are available in the community? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated to the Member, I have received information from the Keewatin Regional Health Board that has apprised me of the measures they've taken. They also indicated the concern they have is although there are vehicles available that they can contract out, it may work for awhile, but then the businesses are no longer there. Certainly, Mr. Speaker, I believe as circumstances change, we have to address the issue. Yes, I will continue to work with the Keewatin health board to see that patients, particularly if they are seriously ill, are comfortable in their transportation from the health centre and in their transportation out of the community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Koe .

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Question 601-12(7): Status Of Northern Accord Negotiations

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources . Currently, I believe negotiations are continuing on the development of a northern accord for the Northwest Territories. I would like to ask the Minister, what is the current status of these negotiations?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These are fluid negotiations. It is my understanding, in talking to Mr. Bailey who is leading the discussions on behalf of this government, that everybody is currently still at the table and is working aggressively to go through the draft accord in an effort to see if an arrangement can be made with all the groups so we can meet the June 30th deadline. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

There have been many comments, made not only in this House but by various people who are presently negotiating, about some of the issues that are impeding progress. Can the Minister outline to us some of the issues that are impeding progress at this time?

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The major issue that appeared -- or maybe currently is; why knows? As I said, these negotiations are under way, so I don't want to make any comments that would jeopardize a satisfactory arrangement --to be a bit of a stumbling block in the discussions was the definition of the inherent right to self-government, et cetera. Indicated to the group who were negotiating that this responsibility lay with Mr. Kakfwi and Mr. Kakfwi , I believe, has dealt with that -- at least to the satisfaction of this government -- in an orderly and expeditious way.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On June 2nd and 5th of this year, Minister Kakfwi did write letters to the aboriginal leaders about this government's position on inherent right to self-government. These letters were subsequently circulated to Members of this Assembly. What is this government's position in the current negotiations on the inherent right to self-government with respect to the collection of revenues from oil, gas and minerals within the respective claimant areas?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

It seems to me that that question should perhaps be addressed to Mr. Kakfwi . Otherwise, I would have to take it as notice, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Todd . The question was taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Koe .

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Question 602-12(7): Position Of Aboriginal Leaders On GNWT Position On Self-government

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs . On June 2nd and June 5th, he wrote letters to the aboriginal leaders stating this government's position on inherent self-government. Subsequently, copies of these letters were sent or distributed to Members of this Assembly. Have the aboriginal leaders indicated their positions in response to these letters which you sent?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The matter which is being questioned is supposedly under negotiation. I have great reluctance to try to word anything off the cuff because the precision of the wording, the choice of words we use to communicate our position, has been a matter of great debate between lawyers. You could almost make a career out of arguing about what phrases and terminology you should use in this communication.

The fact is I was asked to provide some comfort to aboriginal groups with regard to our position on the inherent right, respond to whether or not this government should be a third party in self-government negotiations and provide some other comments. I have done that. They asked for a letter, so I worked with my officials to draft a letter I thought would provide comfort. The response was varied. I provided a second draft yesterday to the groups to ask if this provided any additional comfort and only one group thought there may be interest in receiving such a letter.

However, for the most part, they were either indifferent or dismissive of such a letter. So I have not closed the door on it, but I am not inclined at this time to provide a letter to them since it seems to bring no general comfort to them at all. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The issue of inherent right to self-government is not new and has been underriding various negotiations, not only in claims, but treaty negotiations and other negotiations across Canada. What consultation has been happening to promote this government's position on the inherent right of self-government?

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 602-12(7): Position Of Aboriginal Leaders On GNWT Position On Self-government

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1318

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this government has, since the early 1980s, taken the position that aboriginal people have the right to self-government. In the last eight years, we have taken the position that this government recognizes the inherent right of aboriginal people to govern themselves. We

took that position in the negotiations leading up to the Charlottetown accord.

In the last two years since the election of the Liberal government and their promise in the red book that they will recognize the inherent right, we have all been waiting, rather impatiently, for the delivery of a policy; the federal position on what "inherent right" means and what they are prepared to negotiate. Having said that, it is our government's initiative to start circulating a draft protocol and mandate that spells out what our initial thoughts are with regard to self-government, and Cabinet has approved a draft paper for discussion purposes.

We have sought to consult with aboriginal groups to get their initial thinking on it. Some provided a very detailed response to the paper and others were perhaps not dismissive, but deferred comment until the federal government came forward with their own paper. So we have tried to complete consultations and are presently formulating a response to the paper based on what we got back. We will be making suggestions or recommendations to Cabinet in the next few weeks. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the contentious areas is the position of the Northwest Territories when it comes down to the actual negotiations, and the various groups are active in various stages of negotiating self-government arrangements with the federal government. During the landclaims discussions, this government was a member of the federal government team. I would like some clarification on what this government's position is as it pertains to the self-government negotiations. Is this government a member of the federal team or are they a full participant in the negotiations?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have had this discussion with the aboriginal groups. It is the position of this government that we must be a separate party from the federal government on self-government negotiations. At this time, that is our position. We feel that we are presently funded and mandated to deliver programs and services and the public would expect and demand that the quality of service that we deliver must be protected in the course of negotiations. So we must have a direct hand in those areas in the course of negotiations that affect our present responsibilities; jurisdiction, you might say.

I have advised the aboriginal groups and, as far as I know, no one has denied them their supposed bilateral relations with the federal government. For those subject matters that are exclusive to them, there is no argument from us and we feel they should have bilateral discussions. But for those areas that affect programs and services and responsibilities currently under the territorial government, we must be there. We believe the aboriginal people in the communities will understand, support and respect that position

If it is the unanimous view of all the aboriginal groups that, in fact, they want us to be part of the federal government or not in the room at all, I would be prepared to accept that and bring it to Cabinet, as well, for their consideration. But, in my view, it would not lead to expedient negotiations and it would impede any type of progress since the mechanism of negotiations would change dramatically. There will be, in any case, consultation between the federal government and ourselves and it would slow down what, otherwise, could be very dynamic and progressive negotiations. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The negotiations are currently under way on the northern accord, so I would like to ask the Minister, what is this government's position in the current northern accord discussions on the inherent fight to self- government, with respect to the collection of revenues from oil, gas and minerals within the respective claimant areas?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I think the question is the same one that was taken as notice by Mr. Todd just a little earlier, so I will take the question as notice as well. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I would like to advise the Minister that the question is quite legitimate. There are two Ministers who are responsible for the question that has been asked. Mr. Todd doesn't know the answer, so he has taken the question as notice but still, as the Minister for Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , you also have that responsibility. Mr. Kakfwi do you wish to respond, or take the question as notice?

--- Applause

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1319

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, what the aboriginal groups want to do is to start defining the inherent right, using the mechanism of the northern accord. That is where we raise our objections. We feel that the inherent right is more properly addressed through negotiations with the federal government and ourselves in self-government negotiations. We can, at this time, make some broad statements about the inherent right, but the specific elements of what may be within the scope of the inherent right are better left to negotiations.

That is because there is some difficulty with being specific and predetermining negotiations through forums like this Legislature. Having said that, this government has been prepared, for instance, to recognize that legislative and administrative capacity over aspects of oil, gas and other natural resources must, from our perspective, be determined to fall within the scope of the inherent right. What that means and the details of that, again, should be subject to negotiations. It is not for us to unilaterally dictate our positions because, for as well. one, in the event that a court case should be taken, the position of this Cabinet may be used and at that time, it may

not be of comfort to the aboriginal groups, who are seeking some clarification and specifics from this government. Further Return To Question 603-12(7): Status Of BIP The Deh Cho, for instance, have said that any statement we've come up with so far -- the first one, plus the draft that I've given them -- takes away from the inherent right; therefore, they don't want any statement from us at this time. The Sahtu is, as far as I understand it, the only one still interested in such a statement. There, again, we have a draft which I was prepared to give them but, because of the rejection by most of the groups, we're considering what to do with the draft we have placed before them. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question 603-12(7): Status Of Bip Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1319

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Public Works and Services . I was wondering if the Minister could advise the House about the current status of the business incentive policy review.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin . Further Return To Question 603-12(7): Status Of BIP Return To Question 603-12(7): Status Of BIP Review

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The BIP review is on the Cabinet agenda. It is one of 45 items that we have yet to deal with. As soon as it gets through Cabinet, I can go to public consultation with it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, supplementary. I'm glad to hear that it's on the agenda. The Minister, on April 10th, had indicated that he would do his very best to have the new BIP tabled in this House before we prorogued. Does the Minister expect that he will, in fact, be able to do that?

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As soon as I get it through Cabinet, I will table it in the House. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister didn't answer whether, in fact, he would be able totable it in this House before we prorogued. That's the specific question: will he be able to table it in this House before we prorogue?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm optimistic that I'll be able to get it by Cabinet and get it into the House. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Final supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm glad to hear that the Minister is optimistic. I wonder if he could advise the House, will the BIP, as it is tabled, be a final document, or will this be a document that the public will again be invited to comment on before it is actually implemented?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This document will get Cabinet approval, will be tabled in the House, and then will go out for more public consultation before the final document is complete. We will go once more to the business community and community leaders to get their input into this document. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question 604-12(7): Review Of Request For Proposals For Air Tanker Contract

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1319

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance a question. Mr. Speaker, last week I asked the Minister of Finance whether or not he received a request for a review of the request for proposals for the land-based tender that went out this past winter, and the Minister of Finance indicated that he will be making a decision on that this week. So I would like to ask him whether his department has decided to do a review on the tender process with respect to the request for proposals for the air tanker base contract. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, yes, we will be doing a review, it will be done by government accounting. Mr. Voytilla is writing a letter and a copy will go to Mrs. Marie-Jewell . We are confirming to the parties in Fort Smith that requested the review that there will, in fact, be a review done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Question 605-12(7): Funding For Deh Cho Economic Conference

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Mr. Speaker, earlier this year, I spoke in the House with regard to a real need for an economic conference in my constituency and in the region. I say this because there are a lot of different opportunities that exist out there, and each community has their own plan. There's potential in the area for very positive growth in the economic field. I've asked the Minister, in the past, for funding. The Deh Cho First Nations had requested the Minister for funding for such a conference.

I would like to ask the Minister if his department has done any work in trying to secure some funding for holding such an economic conference in the Deh Cho region. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I recently returned from a tour of Mr. Antoine 's riding last weekend. I may say publicly, I think there's clearly a recognition by all the players -- certainly in the communities, the private sector and, of course, the First Nations group -- that there has to be a bit of a blueprint and some political direction given as to where that area wants to go economically; whether it's in tourism, in logging, or mineral exploration et cetera.

The department is working with the First Nations group in an effort to identity some of the funding that we would be able to provide, along with trying to identity other funding from other agencies. I'm confident that the funding will be found on our side, and I'm sure that when the other groups come into play, we'll be able to move reasonably quickly in putting an important economic conference in place. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 606-12(7): Appointment Of Supreme Court Justice

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice . Mr. Speaker, the fourth Supreme Court position has been vacated by Justice David Marshall for quite a while now. I know the Minister has been working on getting a replacement in that position. I wonder it the Minister could give us an update as to the timing and the possibility of getting a fourth Supreme Court judge here in the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this was a subject that was raised with, at that time, the newly-appointed Minister of Justice in Ottawa, Allan Rock. I did have some issues that I wanted to initiate discussions with him on; this was one of them. As you know, the issue of the gun control legislation, Bill C-68, has consumed the Minister and has sidetracked many of the issues we have brought to that Minister in recent months.

It is my hope that whether he wins or loses, whether he survives or is slightly tattered in pursuing his gun legislation, he is still morally and principally intact enough to continue without any vindictiveness to conclude discussions on these elements, one of which is the appointment of a fourth judge and the appointment of a chief justice of the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm sure the Minister is aware of the fact that there was a commitment from the federal government when the Honourable David Marshall received an appointment on the judicial education group in Ottawa, that once he left that position, his position would be filled. So we have a prior commitment from the federal government. When does the Minister think he'll be able to get this on the agenda, because there is a real problem with the workload now for our Supreme Court judges? Thank you.

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it was our suggestion that the fourth Supreme Court judge be appointed. There was strong recommendation to have that judge specifically located in the Nunavut territory.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

We also seek to have changes in federal legislation to allow for the appointment of a chief justice of the Supreme Court. At this time, we have a senior judge who presides over the functions of the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories, but we do not have a chief justice. It's our view that even with the three judges at this time, that we could seek to have a chief justice appointed. We need Mr.

Rock to initiate work to make amendments to federal legislation to allow for the appointment of a chief justice of the Supreme Court, and to provide appropriate funding to allow for the creation and function of that office. It's my hope that the good Member of Parliament for Nunavut will see, in this case, that this is something we need and will support us when the time comes and work as hard on it as he would other essential services of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Patterson .

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Question 607-12(7): Regional Consultation On Housing Issues

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . I think the Minister knows that I was very impressed with the manner in which people in my region were consulted on housing issues, and then the burning issue of the day was the new rent scale last year. I would like to ask the Minister if he has plans -- since there were many other issues related to housing raised in those consultations to deal with design, method of delivery and construction -- to have further consultations with the regions in the current year on other housing issues. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Housing , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The consultation process is there to be carried on from year to year, so there will be consultations held in every community and every region every year from now until someone else changes it, I believe. We also have the Special Advisory Committee on Social Housing that has yet to meet to do some final work on the other recommendations from the communities and the regions, so we can respond to them prior to the next consultation. But most of the work is done. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I take it from the Minister's response that, subject to approval and agreement of the Special Joint Committee on Housing, consultations similar in kind and scope to the ones that took place last year could take place in the coming year on on-going housing issues? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Those consultations will happen for sure in every community in every region. The Special Advisory Committee on Housing have to meet to look at these other recommendations. Hopefully that could happen before those consultations start. But if it doesn't, then the consultations will proceed, regardless. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 608-12(7): Summer Employment Initiatives For Kltlkmeot Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Transportation . I think he is our friend. Every summer, school children don't have many activities in the communities, Mr. Speaker. Right after the school year ends, there are activities whereby they can still go out on the land using skidoos and ATVs, but in mid-summer activities are sadly lacking. As the Minister is aware, the smaller communities want to make roads that are accessible by ATVs, especially in the Nunavut area where there are no highways.

Also, there is a problem with wharves in the Nunavut communities. I think we can create jobs for younger people in building these docks. Can the Minister of Transportation tell me exactly what kind of job creation programs are being planned for young people in the Nunavut area, especially in the area of Gjoa Haven, Taloyoak and Pelly Bay?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As my honourable colleague knows, the access road policy, which we put into effect the last two years, is really a condition of a request that was put forward by Mr. Ningark three years ago. That particular program has had overwhelming success in the communities. It is a program that provides access to fishing, hunting and traditional areas. It is done in cooperation with the hamlet councils, as they provide some support through equipment, et cetera. I am optimistic that that is one area this year where the budget has been fully taken up by proposals that have come in.

I believe there is some activity. I can't Consultation On Housing Issues quite recall, but I think there is some activity in Gjoa Haven and Pelly Bay this year. We are looking at the possibility of working with the municipality of Taloyoak who have requested some support for exactly what Mr. Ningark was talking about, and that is ATV small roads into areas which both youth and elders can use for recreational, spiritual and traditional use. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ningark .

Employment Initiatives For Kitikmeot Students

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a supplementary to my question. The community of Pelly Bay wants jobs created for young people in the area of creating docks. There needs to be a clearing of the shoreline. I wonder if the Minister can give me a response as to whether these will be carried out as a project for creating jobs for young people in Taloyoak to clear the beach area. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A precedent has been established in lqaluit, where we worked closely with the community there with marine development. We had cleared the beaches of large rocks and debris to provide better access to the boat owners whether they were private in terms of recreational or commercial. As I said, we are currently in discussions with the municipality of Taloyoak in an effort to make a similar arrangement with that community to improve their wharf and marine facilities in that community.

The emphasis that we are currently looking at in terms of Nunavut is an expansion of the wharf and marine facility program. I am optimistic that in the coming years, we will see more activity and more money spent in that area. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Pudluk .

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Question 609-12(7): Relocation Of Polar Bear Management To Baffin Region

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the previous session, I asked a question. I will ask a supplementary to a question I asked at that time. This is to the Minister of Renewable Resources . Polar bear management isn't going to stay in Yellowknife; they will be moved to the Baffin region. Since their office is going to be transferred over to that region, when does the Minister think that is going to happen?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am happy to say that this will be done because this was dealt with at our meeting this morning. It was approved that polar bear management is going to be moved to the Nunavut area. This move will commence in the fall. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 610-12(7): Officers For Truck Inspections On Highway System

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Transportation . It is a compliment on an initiative that his department will be undertaking shortly regarding transportation on the highways;big truck inspections. In the announcement referring to the inspections, they said they would be employing some 12 officers manning our two inspection sites at Enterprise and Inuvik for this 72-hour effort. Do we have 12 officers or are they hiring new people to do these inspections?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the operation with respect to the inspection of trucks is being done by the current staff that we have. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Whitford .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, Mr. Speaker. There is a growing concern, particularly in the last six or seven months right across the country with respect to big trucks and safety as it relates to that equipment. I believe recently on the news there was a particular concern raised when there were two nasty accidents in Ontario. So this is an overall approach by the provinces and territorial jurisdictions to bring about the more vigilant approach to inspections to ensure that these trucks barrelling down our highways are doing so in a safe and orderly way to protect the interests of territorial citizens. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The announcement states that there will be two check stops; the one at Enterprise and the one at Inuvik. It will catch most of the vehicles coming into the territories. However, there is another route and that is through the Liard. I am not sure about the amount of traffic that comes through there. Is this an oversight or is it deliberately not going to be inspected because of low traffic? Why is it not being included in the expectations?

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