Debates of March 7th, 2014

This is page numbers 4253 – 4284 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was land .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

International Women’s Day

Junior Kindergarten Funding Issues In Yellowknife

Hay River Polar Pond Hockey Tournament

Regional Recruitment Program

NWT Health And Social Services System 2012-2013 Annual Report

Enterprise Fire Tower

Reflections On The Current Budget Session

Lifeguards At Fred Henne Territorial Park

2014 Traditional Games Championship

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

No-Show Rates For Health Care Services

Monitoring Economic Development In Sahtu

Gravel Stockpiling In Aklavik

Regional Recruitment Program

Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

Advertising GNWT Position Vacancies

Enterprise Fire Tower

Giant Mine Remediation

2014 Traditional Games Championship

Emergency Fund For Persons In Need

Petition 1-17(5): Lifeguard Services At Fred Henne Park Beach

Petition 2-17(5): Climate And Energy Action Plan

Tabled Document 65-17(5): 2012 GNWT Employee Engagement And Satisfaction Survey

Tabled Document 66-17(5): Heart And Stroke Foundation Position Statement: Public Access To Automated External Defibrillators (Aeds)

Interim Measures For The Commercial Harvest Of Wild Mushrooms

Public Access To Automated External Defibrillators

Recorded Vote

Bill 19: Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2014-2015

Bill 18-17(5):

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 19: Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2014-2015

Orders of the Day

The House met at 10:03 a.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good morning, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Item 3, Members’ statements. Ms. Bisaro .

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International Women’s Day

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Tomorrow is the 103rd International Women’s Day.

International Women’s Day is annually held on March 8th to celebrate women’s achievements

throughout history and across nations. It’s also known as the United Nations Day for Women’s Rights and International Peace.

On this day we all need to spread the message of women’s empowerment to our families, friends and men in our lives. It’s a day that connects women around the world and celebrates the economic, political and social achievements of women past, present and future. It’s a day to celebrate the women in our lives and in our communities, to honour the advances women have made. But at the same time, we need to remember the need for continued action to ensure that the equality fought for and gained by women who have passed before us is maintained in all aspects of our society.

To quote an old advertising slogan, “We’ve come a long way, baby,” but I must echo a quote heard recently, “Much has been accomplished and much is still to be done.”

Of the world’s 1.3 billion poor people, nearly 70 percent are women. Between 75 percent and 80 percent of the world’s 27 million refugees are women and children. And of the world’s nearly 130 million children who are not in school, two-thirds are girls.

On average, women earn 30 to 40 percent less than men for the same work. Women also continue to be victims of violence, rape and domestic violence, which are significant causes of disability and death among women worldwide.

This year’s theme for International Women’s Day is Inspiring Change. It encourages advocacy for

women’s advancement everywhere in every way. It calls for challenging the status quo for women’s equality and vigilance inspiring positive change.

Tomorrow we will honour five NWT wise women, who each in their own way have contributed to changing the world for the better. The 2014 winners are Karen Willy, North Slave; Pamela Faith Gordon, Beaufort-Delta; Patricia Modeste, Sahtu; Sister Margaret Ann Beaudette, South Slave; and Harriet Geddes for the Deh Cho. Congratulations to that formidable group of women, Mr. Speaker. Let’s use tomorrow to get fired up about women’s rights and empowerment and use the day to promote changes in the lives of women all over the world. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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International Women’s Day

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Junior Kindergarten Funding Issues In Yellowknife

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The ECE Minister has given us a

schedule for rolling out free junior kindergarten service across the NWT. It begins with small communities in ’14-15, followed by regional centres next and, finally, Yellowknife in year three.

Unfortunately, the Minister is funding small community programs this coming year by removing funds for our students here in Yellowknife. The Minister will say schools have a surplus, but in fact our schools raise funds through taxes on Yellowknifers to cover costs not covered by government. While the Yellowknife students are funded on a much lower per capita basis than those in small communities, Yellowknifers have recognized the need for that. But now the Minister is penalizing the initiative by the Yellowknife school boards by not only reducing their funding but also requiring that is what is currently a cost-recovery JK service be replaced with a so-called free service.

Yellowknife schools currently use ECE funding and taxpayer dollars to provide education for 12 classes plus kindergarten. As of ’16-17, the Minister will require them to do the same plus provide junior kindergarten for about 120 small children in each

school system with no additional support. Without any investment from ECE to support this extra responsibility, this can only be done on the backs of our children, a clearly unacceptable basis for any program.

It’s not right to give new responsibilities without new funding. The Minister should provide new funding for junior kindergarten to all communities. This relatively small investment will help ensure the success of this new program and avoid eroding the quality of education we offer our kids.

Once again, the Minister is forcing Yellowknife school boards to struggle without needed funds as he removes them over the next two years. With a weakened system, he will then add the responsibility of 120 wee children for each school board requiring specialized early childhood development programs in junior kindergarten, returning only to the original level of funding. Blood from a stone for our children. Shame!

I will have questions for the Minister. Mahsi.

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Junior Kindergarten Funding Issues In Yellowknife

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Hay River Polar Pond Hockey Tournament

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I woke up thinking of Stompin’ Tom this morning. It’s hockey night tonight because tonight we start Polar Pond Hockey in Hay River. It’s an annual event, a spring event. The 10 rinks are built on the Hay River. The big blue tent is up and being fitted with facilities for the upcoming event. There are concessions there this weekend. The event was a question mark this year. It was a question because of Arctic Winter Games and because of so many factors going on whether we’d do it this year or we’d skip. But the crew all got together and said, you know what? We’re going to do it. And they’re doing another great job.

There’s currently over 45 teams, four-person teams, teams of ladies, teams of old-timers, teams of mixed open class. So I would like to commend all those people that put together all that work, all the Zamboni workers, all those people that are going to be out in the cold this weekend helping out with the event, and honestly, we’re looking forward to a great event again in Hay River. Thank you.

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Hay River Polar Pond Hockey Tournament

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Regional Recruitment Program

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had some questions in the House yesterday in regard to some human resources issues. I just wanted to bring to

attention today there was a Minister’s statement or a Minister’s news release on October 13, 2013, that mentioned the Regional Recruitment Program. I’ve made reference to it calling it the 80/20 program, where the residents of the NWT who actually try to get into the GNWT workforce get paid 80 percent of their salary and 20 percent of that overall salary goes into training.

I want to ask the Minister of Human Resources some questions later on the implementation of this program because in the press release it did state that the program would be implemented before the end of this calendar year and that was in 2013. He was hoping that trainees are anticipated to be on the job in early 2014. Obviously, we’re in the third month right now of 2014, I want to see how that’s going.

He also mentioned that this program would help reduce barriers of entering into the workforce where individuals who go into the job would do training on the job. I brought up concerns yesterday in regard to individuals trying to get into the workforce and actually not being able to get in because they have to look for a Commissioner for Oaths to sign something, or else also looking at trying to get a criminal records check or some other things that can happen to them.

This Regional Recruitment Program is a great program. I want to get an update on that and I want people of the Northwest Territories to know that this program is supposed to be in place and we’re supposed to get some residents into the workforce this year. I will be asking the Minister, later on today, how this program is coming and whether or not we’re actually having a perfect program here to get residents of the Northwest Territories into these jobs that are vacant. Thank you.

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Regional Recruitment Program

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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NWT Health And Social Services System 2012-2013 Annual Report

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My Member’s statement today is in reference to the recently tabled Northwest Territories Health and Social Services 2012-2013 Annual Report on the subject of patient no-shows for specialists, family and nurse practitioners.

For the record, the no-show rates for specialists are at 9.1 percent, slightly lower from the target of 10 percent, and a no-show rate for practitioners are at 12.6 percent, slightly higher than the 9 percent target. Keep in mind the 12.6 percent rate is only for Yellowknife and the Sahtu as the disclaimer in the report says the numbers aren’t consistently available for other health authorities. This concept

of no-show rate is nothing new as I’ve spoken on this topic before in the House, as have others.

Alarming, still, is the continued lack of understanding of the true cost this has on our health care system, coupled with the waste of important resources in a system limited by design.

So what is the cost of a no-show? I guess this would depend on the specialty. However, what this report doesn’t really address is the issue of our no-show rates for our travel clinics and the no-show rates for our surgical operating rooms. For these numbers, one has to dig a little bit into the archives. In fact, what has been mentioned in the not-so-distant past is the no-show rate for our specialists travel clinics at 16.8 percent and for our operating rooms at 16.5 percent.

How do you begin to quantify the costs of not coming to your own operation? I can’t imagine what a team of doctors or an anesthesiologist and a couple of surgical nurses cost to have standing around these days, but I’m sure it’s not a pretty invoice.

To the question: Who pays the price of these no-shows? Well, you’ve guessed it. The taxpayer. How do we protect the taxpayer from having to pay for the arrogance of a few? That’s a good question. For some of these answers, I thank the private practice of my dentist. How about a reminder phone call? How about a text message? How about an e-mail? How about doing this for a secondary contact? How about doing all four suggestions at once, or better yet, if you really want to reduce the no-show rates, how about a deposit at the time of booking which is non-refundable if you are a no-show.

Now that you’ve got everyone’s attention and, I mean, the wallet does have a way of stimulating the cerebral cortex, doesn’t it.

It is clear, we have limited resources in a world begging for more service delivery. I’m not just sure we’re giving the proper attention of this no-show rate in the NWT, so I will have questions at the appropriate time for the Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Enterprise Fire Tower

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Money is set aside for this year’s capital plan for a new fire lookout tower in Enterprise. The tower will replace an existing tower located in an isolated part of the Cameron Hills, 73 kilometres from Kakisa.

Like other fire lookout towers, the Cameron tower is staffed from mid-May to mid-August by a contract employee from Hay River. It is used for fire detection and it is also part of the Department of Environment and Natural Resources’

communication system. However, the tower has limited visibility over Hay River and the Cameron Hills Plateau. It can only be serviced by helicopter, which increases operating costs substantially. Its isolated location raises health and safety concerns for the employee stationed there. Fire detection for Kakisa is primarily from another tower located 15 kilometres west of the community and from aerial detection flights.

We have a strong business case for removing the Cameron tower and relocating its functions to Enterprise. My constituents look forward to that work starting as soon as possible. The new site provides better coverage of high priority values at risk. It will be easier to manage and brings added activity to the community. Tower construction and servicing would ideally involve contractors from the region and, better yet, from the community. This lookout station also makes the community aware of the role we all play in forest fire management as stewards of our land.

With a certain amount of commitment, a local person might have the opportunity to work the new fire tower, thereby reducing costs even more.

The new tower in Enterprise makes sense. I’m very pleased to see it in the 2014-15 Capital Plan and look forward to the community of Enterprise being a key piece of our forest fire management system.

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Enterprise Fire Tower

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Reflections On The Current Budget Session

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to give a few reflections on what has been, well, is almost coming to an end and has been a long budget session. As Michael Miltenberger indicated, this is the 19th budget that

he and I have had the pleasure of working on together.

Each of us is sent here by the electors of our constituencies. I respect those decisions that people have made. It’s a democratic process. People can put their names forward and the electorate chooses. I’m honored to say that Hay River South has elected me five times. I have had credible, respected, formidable opponents in these election campaigns and that is part of the democratic process, and I also respect those people.

Just for the record, I want to share my appreciation for the hard work of this Assembly and for you, Mr. Speaker, in the challenges that face all of us as we do this kind of work. There is not a day that I walk out of this Assembly, and walk down that long sidewalk out front, if I run into Premier McLeod that he’s not toting a big briefcase full of documents that

he’s taking home with him. There are Members in this House who have made sacrifices. There are Members with new babies that are away from them for extended periods of time. We all know this when we get into public office. I’m not complaining, but these are the stark realities of serving the public at this capacity.

What is serving the public at this capacity? It is public service. I’ve been here five terms, and maybe some people think that I should have aspired to do more than be a Regular Member. I’m honoured to be a Regular Member. I’m not the greatest original thinker in the room, that’s for sure, but I do think I have an ability to observe what other people are saying and to summarize and collect my thoughts and present those thoughts, and I do love my work at the constituency level as well.

There’s nothing more gratifying as an MLA than getting a call from a constituent with a problem and being able to use your experience and your skills, whatever they are, to bring to bear on that issue and to help people and see concrete and favourable results from those efforts. It’s a very, very rewarding experience.

So to anybody who thinks we’re here wallowing in the sense of our own importance and all the money we’re making, and again, I look around this room and I see everybody in this room having come from different perspectives but able to do very well for themselves no matter where they are. I am very honoured to serve with this group of MLAs and I just wanted to take a moment this morning to thank them for what they do and contribute to the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Reflections On The Current Budget Session

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Lifeguards At Fred Henne Territorial Park

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The public expects leadership from this government and many times they just don’t see it. They get frustrated when they see the marionettes in the bureaucracy pulling the strings of the political puppets. Many Assemblies have spoken about passion and forcefulness about how they can do things better. Those Assemblies, through them have risen Ministers who try to claim they are the leaders, don’t worry, we are the decision-makers, not fence sitters, Mr. Speaker.

The public demand something and when there’s a clear choice, some of these Ministers would rather sit by and watch a study tell them what to do and when to decide. As we wait for studies that support to do something or, in some cases, not to do something, the general public gets frustrated by wondering where are those leaders who

passionately and forcefully have said they are deciders. These leaders are waiting for studies to buttress their decisions. May I remind the public that a buttress is something that cannot stand on its own, for goodness sakes.

So when you hear language like “we will do something when the study says so or the expert says so,” or “I will support something when the study says so or tells me to do so,” the question then arises from the public, where are those leaders?

Last summer Lodune Shelley died in a very terrible event. Could lifeguards have saved his life? I don’t know, but I can tell you 100 percent that if a lifeguard was there it would have given him a fighting chance.

When Mr. Dolynny asked questions to the Minister on October 24th , his response was, “If it’s going to

make the beach and Fred Henne safer, there will be lifeguards next summer.” Well, the budget came and the budget is gone, no lifeguards. More studies, more sitting on the fence.

On February 25th the Minister goes on and says, “If

the study recommends to do so, there will be.” What if the study says no lifeguards? That’s not leadership. That’s sitting on the fence, hiding behind the study. I’d say if there was real leadership over there, they’d say there’s lifeguards, we are going to consult the experts and those experts are going to tell us how to do it, not if we do it. That is the problem with this government and that’s the particular problem.

I spoke to the grandfather on the weekend and he’s burning upset that this government still drags its heels. We expect leadership. Thank you very much.

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Lifeguards At Fred Henne Territorial Park

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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2014 Traditional Games Championship

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to name off some community schools: Lutselk’e, Chief Jimmy Bruneau, Fort Providence, Hay River Reserve, St. Joe’s, Weledeh, Norman Wells, Fort McPherson, Paulatuk, Sachs Harbour, Fort Simpson, Fort Good Hope, Elizabeth Mackenzie School, K’alemi Dene School, Fort Resolution, JBT, Mildred Hall, Colville Lake, East 3 High, Ulukhaktok and William Mac School. These are 21 schools that are participating in the Traditional Games Championship this week.

Yesterday at the opening ceremonies, there was excitement in the kids. They did their ceremony outside and they had one of the speakers come and talk to the kids. They were out there at 7:00 last night with a fire ceremony and Dene drumming and the prayers from the song to the land, we come

from the land and we flow from the land, as I’ve been told at one time this morning.

Then an Inuvialuit elder came up and spoke about the traditional games. He talked about tradition and the discipline of these games. These young people are being trained and learning from the elders, doing the traditional games.

I want to thank this government and the Department of MACA for putting all their energy and efforts to start developing these young leaders in these traditional sports. This goes a long way. We may not see it because we’re in the House and we’re busy with stuff, but this morning, being out there at 8 o’clock, seeing the young kids doing the push pull, I thought, gee, that would be good to have Cabinet and Regular Members doing that at 8 o’clock in the morning, practising these traditional games. I wonder who’s going to do the high kick over there, or the finger pull.

It’s good because the kids were excited; it brings them all together from across the Northwest Territories. They are practising the traditional championship games. I’m hoping that one day these traditional games will be world championship games where we can all celebrate all schools, no matter where you come from in the Northwest Territories.

A hand to the coaches from William Mac School for putting this up, and to Yellowknife for hosting them, and for all the officials over this weekend. Let’s give the kids the boost they need today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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2014 Traditional Games Championship

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Blake .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize two of our Pages gathered with us here today from Aklavik: Ethan Hartley and Grace Illasiak, and their chaperone Crystal Koe. I’d also like to recognize, up in the gallery with us today, the mayor of Aklavik and former chief, Charlie Furlong, and his partner, Joanne Deneron, and her daughter Kimberly Mabbitt. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to take this opportunity to recognize the Pages from Hay River South that have been serving us in the Chamber this week: Brittney Crosman and Kiera Boulanger-Rowe. I’d also like to thank Catherine Boulanger for her work as the chaperone for these young ladies, and thank them very much for their good work. I’d also like to recognize a constituent, Kim Deneron-Mabbitt, in the visitors gallery today. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Bouchard .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d also like to recognize Kim Mabbitt from Hay River. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize the Pages that have been here all week, especially two Pages from Yellowknife South: Benjamin Karstad and Brittney Bessette. I also want to recognize Charlie Furlong and Joanne Deneron. Welcome to the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Ramsay .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize a couple of visitors from out of town. I’ve got Mike Pearson from London, England, and Jack Bertini from Toronto. Welcome to the House. I also want to recognize Mr. Mark Salvor. He’s a senior policy analyst with ITI and I know Mark has done a great deal of work on devolution and getting us closer to April 1st . Thanks, Mark, for

all your good work on devolution. Also, I’d like to recognize Mr. Charlie Furlong and Joanne Deneron. I’ve got a Page that I wanted to recognize, Gianna Debogorski from the good riding of Kam Lake. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize a few people, as well, and I’d like to start by recognizing a couple of the Pages here from the Great Slave riding: Isabel Wilson and Joseph Cameron. I’d like to thank you both for everything that you’ve done for us over the last couple of weeks. We truly appreciate what all the Pages do for us. I’d also like to recognize a constituent, Mark Salvor. Nice to see you in the gallery.

Yesterday I made a statement in the House about a cancer video that will be premiered in the Great Hall later today and I’d like to recognize Charlie Furlong, who is in the video and is here to participate in that presentation, and Joanne Deneron as well. Wonderful to see you. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize a young Page that was serving us. His name is Ben Karstad. Ben and my son Chase practice karate together, so I want to recognize him. I would also like to recognize the chief from Aklavik, Charlie Furlong, and his partner, Joanne Deneron. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . I’d like to welcome everybody here in the gallery today and thank you for taking in our proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 241-17(5): No-Show Rates For Health Care Services

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I spoke of the recently tabled statistical data of no-show rates for our various specialists, practitioners, travel clinics and our operating rooms.

Alarming information shows that health care no-show rates have not really resolved themselves in the Northwest Territories. This begs to ask some questions today of the Minister responsible, which is the Minister of Health and Social Services .

Before we begin to get into the details of these no-show rates and what can be done about them, I think committee found that the recently tabled Health annual report to be rather limited in information on this topic.

Can the Minister indicate why the department could not report the no-show rates for practitioners outside of Yellowknife and the Sahtu? What were the barriers of this reporting?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will certainly get some more detailed information for the Member on this, but one of the challenges we face getting data from other authorities is the fact that every authority in the Northwest Territories is operated on different IT/IS/IM systems, they have different accounting systems, but we will continue to work with the authorities to get that information and I will provide some more detail to the Member once I get it from the department. Thank you.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you. I appreciate the Minister’s response to that. Having a more complete picture of our no-show rates begins with expanding the scope of the performance measures.

Can the Minister indicate why the no-show rates for travel clinics and operating rooms were not included in the department’s Health and Social Services Annual Report, and is he able to maybe offer some statistics on that in the House today? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you. I don’t have any of those statistics in front of me today, but I’ll certainly get that information from the department and share with the Member.

As far as the travel clinics and whatnot, we have the same problem that we do here in Yellowknife. This is a big issue for us. We know there are significant costs on the system. I do know that the Member had a life previous to government where he was in health care outside of the public service, so I’d really be interested in his ideas and concepts for helping us improve the no-show rates. A number of things need to happen, we get that, and I’m certainly looking forward to the Member’s input as we move forward.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I appreciate that and I will definitely work with the Minister if he’s asking for it.

As to the question of what the department is actually doing to mitigate these no-show rates, can the Minister clearly articulate what his department’s policy on addressing this issue is? Thank you.

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Question 241-17(5): No-Show Rates For Health Care Services

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you. Recognizing that we have eight health and social services authorities in the Northwest Territories, each with their own unique challenges and their own unique realties, some being all community-based, some being more regional centre-based, some being hospital-based, like Stanton, each one of them has developed their own policy or their own procedures around trying to encourage people to attend their appointment. One thing we do, and all the authorities do, is I know that they do encourage people to let the authorities know, or the practitioners know, when they’re not going to be able to make it.

That way appointments can be rebooked, but when people just don’t show up, that is a big problem and that’s something that, I agree with the Member, more work needs to be done. Each of the authorities has their own plan to deal with that because each authority is unique with their own unique challenges. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 241-17(5): No-Show Rates For Health Care Services

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For my final question, everything we do or don’t do has a cost to the taxpayer.

Can the Minister quantify and indicate to the House what is the potential financial impact on the entire health care system with these no-shows? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you. It would be very difficult to give an exact dollar figure for that because the reason an individual might not attend an appointment or, rather, the appointment the individual misses may have a significantly different cost than an appointment that another individual misses. So, just having a number of missed appointments doesn’t really help us quantify it. We would have to dig in for each appointment, figure out what the procedures that were supposed to be done would have been and work from there. This

would take a significant amount of work. We do believe it’s significant.

I do agree with the Member that this is something that we need to continue to work on, and once again, I’m very interested in the Member’s opinions and thoughts on this with respect to his previous experience as a health provider outside of the public service. Thank you.

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Question 241-17(5): No-Show Rates For Health Care Services

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 242-17(5): Monitoring Economic Development In Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask a question to the Minister of ITI . This morning on CBC we heard representatives from the Fort Nelson First Nation Band talk about the impacts of hydraulic fracking in the area. Certainly they have their challenges and it’s good to hear their stories for the Sahtu.

I want to ask the Minister, in regards to the activity that is happening up in the Sahtu region, has this department been calculating or analyzing some of the benefits that are going on with the recent economic development activities?

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Question 242-17(5): Monitoring Economic Development In Sahtu

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 242-17(5): Monitoring Economic Development In Sahtu

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, there’s been some significant advancement in the Sahtu because of the activity that’s taking place there. In Tulita, for example, we’ve seen a number of Aboriginal-owned businesses in Tulita, be it six in 2010. Last year we had 28 Aboriginal-owned businesses in Tulita and I think that says a lot.

We’ve seen grocery sales go up 200 percent, vacancy rate at the hotels in Norman Wells are up around the 90 percent mark. We’ve seen a number of people be employed. You can also look at a figure like 150 percent in the amount of gas that’s been purchased. Grocery sales are up 300 percent. There is obviously a lot happening. There is a lot of money being spent in the Sahtu. A lot of people are working, and some other telling statistics are we’ve seen the amount of income support – and I know this question came up in the House the other day on income support – in the Sahtu drop by $1 million in the last two years. I think that’s a great figure to put out there. Thank you.

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Question 242-17(5): Monitoring Economic Development In Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, going back to the two ladies, the chief and the lands director from Fort Nelson, they talked about striking a balance. Certainly we hear the benefits that Mr. Ramsay indicated. Now we are talking about striking a balance of the economic benefits plus looking at the sustainability of our land, water and animals. Mr.

Ramsay communicated with the Minister of ITI . We are actually on the verge of a huge turning point in the Northwest Territories.

Is there some type of discussion with his department and ENR, saying we need to look at balance with the land and with the economic development that is happening in the Sahtu?

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Mr. Speaker, certainly that is our goal going forward, is to have an integrated approach to resource management here in the Northwest Territories involving the departments of ITI, ENR and also the new Lands department. That’s something that we’re very excited about. We believe we can strike a balance. We believe we can protect the environment, have sustainable development and also see the economy grow, providing the much needed jobs and opportunities for the people that live in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

That’s good to know. Would the Minister then look at some type of forum so that people in the Sahtu, people in the Northwest Territories could have that discussion as to the types of regulations we have with the Land and Water Board and environmental types of agreements in place with the economic development activity, have that forum or summit in the Sahtu so that we can properly negotiate our way through this type of activity that is happening in our region?

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Mr. Speaker, I have committed to looking at a readiness session in the Sahtu sometime in the very near future. Perhaps as part of that readiness session, we could also look at an information session on devolution, what it means, how things are going to work, and that would be perhaps very beneficial for residents in the Sahtu.

I know our government has done a tremendous amount of communications, getting word out in newspapers, on radio and through town hall meetings that we’ve had. Certainly, if there is more of an appetite out there for information on devolution and how it works, that’s something we could certainly look at. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the amount of dollars going into the Sahtu and people having that type of opportunity, those are some good things that people are doing with the money. There are also some things that people are not doing so well. With this type of readiness session sometime in the future, hopefully it will be in the next five months, we want to look at the social impacts.

Recently, we’ve seen lots of liquor being confiscated by the RCMP. We need to talk about

some of the social issues. Will that be part of the forum?

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

If we were to expand that type of discussion, that certainly would involve other departments. I know when we’ve had the readiness session in the Sahtu in the past, other departments were involved. From the social side of things, we could look at including other departments again in discussions in the readiness session that will be held in the Sahtu again in the near future. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 243-17(5): Gravel Stockpiling In Aklavik

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. While I was asking questions to the Minister of Public Works yesterday, he mentioned that if the community was in support of building the parking lot for Moose Kerr School, he would look towards that. The community does have a motion that they would like to see action taken on that.

I would like to ask the Minister of Public Works , will the Minister ensure they stockpile gravel to build a pad at the school in Aklavik before the spring is over? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Minister of Public Works , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 243-17(5): Gravel Stockpiling In Aklavik

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the Department of Public Works ensures that the community has a stockpile in each community for the work that’s required during that year. In 2013, the haul this year, we had a plan to put a stockpile in Aklavik and we were advised by the community that there was a local contractor that had sufficient stockpile of granular material that we could use, so we didn’t stockpile any further, but we think there’s enough material there for us to do our work.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Is the Minister saying that they do have enough gravel at the moment to build a pad for Moose Kerr School for the parking lot? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

What I’m saying is that for all the capital plan activities that require granular material, there was sufficient granular material for that. I’m not sure if part of that plan included construction of a parking lot for Moose Kerr School. If the community is wishing to do that, that becomes part of the capital, but I do know that at the beginning of the year all the capital that was planned and the need for granular material, we had enough in Aklavik to do that. Thank you.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

For sure the parking lot isn’t in the capital plan because this issue just came up in the

last couple of weeks. The Minister did state that if it was a major concern for the community that they would pursue that.

With the emotion in place from the hamlet, will the Minister ensure that the department acts on this issue as soon as possible? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 243-17(5): Gravel Stockpiling In Aklavik

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The requirement for granular material in Aklavik was 23,300 cubic metres of granular material, which was about 3,250 cubic metres for the GNWT and the balance of it being needed by the hamlet. So the hamlet had indicated that the projects they would like to run during the year and had indicated that they had sufficient granular material. If the hamlet is going to move some of the material, assuming that they had only that amount, that they don’t have a surplus, and they need to move off another project, I guess that’s a discussion that will occur with the hamlet locally.

We were advised that with the projects we were running, there is certainly sufficient granular material. So, hopefully there is enough to do all of the projects, plus the parking lot. That is our hope today, but I don’t have a very recent update as of today whether or not all of these projects, plus the parking lot, is what we have granular material for. Thank you.

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Question 243-17(5): Gravel Stockpiling In Aklavik

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 243-17(5): Gravel Stockpiling In Aklavik

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to be on the safe side, the community is planning to make a road up to the gravel source at Willow River.

Will the Minister ensure that they do have sufficient gravel in the community for all the projects, including the parking lot at Moose Kerr School? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 243-17(5): Gravel Stockpiling In Aklavik

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Part of the 18,000 cubic metres of granular material that the hamlet is to use this summer is also material for Willow River, so there is a plan to start using some of this granular material to build to that gravel source. Aside from that, we can work with the community to make sure there is sufficient granular material to do all the projects, including the parking lot. Thank you.

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Question 243-17(5): Gravel Stockpiling In Aklavik

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to follow up on my Member’s statement today in terms of the Regional Recruitment Program. There was a press release that went out on October 23, 2013. I just want to get an update. In the statement

it said training is anticipated to start to be on the job in early 2014.

I would like to ask the Minister of Human Resources , what is the update on that program and do we have actual full-time government employees who went through this program? If so, how many?

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Human Resources

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, we do not have people on the ground yet as part of the Regional Recruitment Strategy that the Member speaks of. We have done the program design. We have finalized all of the documentation necessary. We have completed the approach that the trainer is going to use in training individuals. We have talked about the training allowance specific to that. We have met with the UNW. We have negotiated a memorandum of understanding, so we’re ready to roll. We have all of the regional meetings in place. Individuals have come forward and we are now seeing the targeted positions that we’re hoping to fill with this strategy. Thank you.

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

I want to ask the Minister, has he changed any policies or do any policies need to be changed in order to get individuals into the job? Like I said yesterday, there were some challenges for some individuals in Inuvik who were just trying to get casual employment and had to go through all the hoops to get their application on the desk.

So, have any policies changed within the government system that allows residents of the Northwest Territories to actually get into these jobs? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Human Resources

Any policy change that would occur would have been to try to accommodate the Regional Recruitment Strategy. As I indicated, we have discussed this and signed an MOU with the Union of Northern Workers. So, there hasn’t been anything put in place to make it difficult for individuals to apply. In fact, it’s been the other way around. We are trying to accommodate this. Now that interest is starting, we are hoping we will have our first employee underneath the Regional Recruitment Strategy this month and more in April.

We’re going to get some employees in March and April through the strategy and hopefully expanding that beyond the communities that have shown interest now, which are at this time coming from Inuvik, Fort Simpson and Fort Providence.

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

In the news release that was sent out on October 23, 2013, it mentioned that the program would help reduce barriers in entering the workforce. Yesterday I got a call from a constituent having some issues with them getting into the job system and this was just for a casual position.

Would the Minister consider, or is his department looking at some of the lower level job positions or entry level job positions such as administrative assistants or jobs on the front line, working with individuals who have been in the job for five, 10 or 20 years? We have those statistics. Would he look at trying to get individuals who have been in an entry level job for 10 years-plus and give them the support to become a supervisor, a manger or take another position within the government? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Human Resources

Yes, we do plan to look at that. Right now we do have two strategies developing our employees. One is a strategy of the positions of associate superintendent positions that we’ve created. Now we’re looking at creating some associate manager positions, moving officers up to that level. The recommendation from the Member, taking people who have been long term in administrative positions and moving them up a level to officer level, is something that we would certainly take a look at seriously, and I will talk to the Department of Human Resources who go on to talk to the other hiring departments to see what is possible here. Thank you.

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that we’ve looked at the 20/20 strategy and we do understand that a lot of our employees are going to be retiring. They are coming to that age where they’re going to retire and we will need people to fill those positions. A lot of them will be in senior management, so I think it’s a great opportunity to look at our long-term service employees and give them the tools.

The Minister did mention that this month we’re going to have one of our recruitments in place, so I wonder what his targets are for this year in terms of getting individuals into this program.

Does he have a target set for getting our NWT residents into these jobs, these vacant positions and these higher level positions? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Human Resources

We have not set targets as a department. We are asking all of the departments to come forward with the positions that we are hoping to fill with the Regional Recruitment Strategy. Once we have all the departments who have identified their positions, then we, as the Department of Human Resources, will go back and engage those departments to make sure that there aren’t more positions that can go under this strategy. At that point, we will set targets of how many positions we hope to fill using the Regional Recruitment Strategy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 244-17(5): Regional Recruitment Program

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are following up on my Member’s statement directed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The Minister is reducing annual funding to Yellowknife school boards by hundreds of thousands of dollars each, starting in a few months.

What will be the total reductions for the next two years and what will be the amount reinstated in year three when Yellowknife’s junior kindergarten must begin? Mahsi.

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Part of the process is, of course, rolling out the program in a three-phase approach. There will be 29 communities and the second year will be on to Hay River and the third year will be Yellowknife.

There’s Detah, Ndilo. So Detah will be $14,000 surplus for year one, they will be given the funding to operate. For Ndilo, $91,000 in year one to operate. YCS, the first year will be minus $434,000, year two will be minus $264,000, and year three will be plus $484,000. So a slight decrease of 1.2 percent of their overall budget, Mr. Speaker.

YK1, year one, $569,000 in the minus. Year two will be $322,000 minus. Year three will be $829,000 in the plus. That’s a difference of 0.3 percent of the overall budget decrease. So those are just the minor decreases that are happening over the three-year phased approach. Mahsi.

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

So, essentially they’ll be slightly less at the end of this time and, of course, the Minister forgot about the cost recovery programs that are in place that he’s requiring that they drop. So a net substantial loss. In the third year, obviously, with 120 extra people, small children to look after, they’ll be expected to provide junior kindergarten with no new funding in year three. This will be on the backs of services currently provided to our children, as I’ve mentioned.

What is the Minister’s assessment of the impact students will have to bear from this failure to provide new support for these new responsibilities? Mahsi.

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. The Yellowknife school boards have been offering the monthly fee-for-service four-year-old pre-kindergarten spaces beginning in 2008. So it has been operating for the past six years now, which has grown over the years. Currently, it would include approximately 163 licenced four-year-old spaces. So YK1 with a possible 90 fee-based four-

year-old preschool space, bringing in revenue of approximately $600,000 per school year. Same with YCS, approximately $500,000 per school year on fee for service. So that will continue for the next two years and in the third year we will be providing them funding at that level.

As I stated, it is 1.2 percent for YCS, a decrease, and YK1 is 0.3 percent of their overall budget when you look at the territorial-wide budget and their budget as far as our contribution agreement. So there is a decrease, but we have to think long term as well. Mahsi.

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. Indeed, we do need to think long term and I don’t believe the Minister is doing that. Obviously, these school boards are losing over $1.5 million over the next two years and then they’ll lose all of the revenue that they have from junior kindergarten currently in the third year, so they will be in a net deficit and yet huge new responsibilities that the Minister is asking them to take on. \What collaboration and support has the Minister experienced for this plan from our school boards? Mahsi.

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. I did mention in this House that there have been various meetings that took place since August 21st of 2013,

September 18 and 19, 2013. These are with the superintendents of the school. November 27, 28, 2013, January 2014. These are ongoing discussions that we are currently having. There has been a recommendation brought forward by a superintendent to make adjustment to our approach of the PTR and we took that into consideration and instead of using 10 to Grade 12, they indicated that maybe we should try K to 12. So it does balance it out, all of the communities throughout the Northwest Territories.

We are listening to the school boards, we are listening to the superintendents and there are a lot of supports out there as well. Especially the small communities, the 29 communities, as I highlighted, there are 10 communities without any licenced programming for early childhood development. So, those are just some of the discussions we’ve been having. Mahsi.

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’re talking about Yellowknife here. I asked, what’s the Minister’s assessment of the impacts of this on the services to the students? No answer. He went off in a different direction. I asked what collaboration and support. I didn’t hear any collaboration and support. They’ve had meetings, dictatorial results.

Will the Minister commit to working with our school boards to provide the new investments required with these new responsibilities that he is asking of them? Mahsi.

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi. When I highlighted all the dates, those are interactions that we are currently having in coordination with the school boards, with the superintendents. We’ll continue to do so because we have to work with the early childhood educators, as well, and the operators, the daycare operators. This is beneficial to all 33 communities. Yes, the Member is referring to Yellowknife, but we, as a government, are responsible for 33 communities. Mahsi.

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Question 245-17(5): Funding Reductions To Yellowknife School Boards

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 246-17(5): Advertising GNWT Position Vacancies

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this morning are addressed to the Minister for Human Resources . I’d like to follow up on some of the conversation that has been happening in the House and during the budget and during questions and statements in the last little while. I’m going to ask him some questions about jobs.

The Minister has advised us that some 15 to 20 percent of GNWT jobs are empty at any one time. So that is as of October of 2013, it was about 571 jobs that were apparently vacant. I’ve spoken before about the difficulty that I see people are going to encounter because they can only access jobs on-line. Jobs won’t be advertised in the paper anymore. So I think the Minister can appreciate why Members want to see jobs advertised on-line and jobs available to our constituents, especially if on-line is the only way to go.

My first question to the Minister is this: When it’s determined that a job is either going to be open or it’s a new job, how long does it take that job to get posted to the on-line program? Thank you.

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Question 246-17(5): Advertising GNWT Position Vacancies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 246-17(5): Advertising GNWT Position Vacancies

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ve indicated in the House previously that we’re also going to be posting jobs at the community level. I’d indicated in the small communities exactly where the jobs would be posted and so on.

To answer the Member’s question, if the department has a vacant position that they wish to fill, then they indicate their desire to fill the position by ensuring that the job description, the ad and everything is ready, then they start working with the department. My understanding is that from the time the department advises HR that they wish to fill the position, that position would be advertised in about four weeks.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. Four weeks seems like an inordinately long time to go from when you know that you need a body to when it is

posted. I appreciate that that’s bureaucracy and my concern is bureaucracy moves awfully slowly.

It’s fairly common knowledge, I think, and I don’t think it’s something that the government really wants to admit, but I think it’s out there that there are jobs that are not posted because they’re being held back for a particular person and I’d like to ask the Minister what he knows about this practice. Certainly I feel, and I think many of the residents of the NWT feel, that people, constituents, residents should have the opportunity to apply on any vacancy, and if jobs are held back then, obviously, that’s not available for them to know about the job.

So, to the Minister, how many jobs are held back? Does he have that number and could he comment on the practice? Thank you.

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Question 246-17(5): Advertising GNWT Position Vacancies

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. I don’t think we have a category in PeopleSoft, in our system totally at all that are a category that our jobs are held back for someone else. We have vacancies, yes. There are vacancies that can be held for an individual that’s on a transfer assignment that is going to come back to their home position and then there’s also, on the other side of the coin, there would be vacancies where the department sees that it would be a good opportunity for someone to come into the department on a transfer assignment, those vacancies filled by casuals because they’re having positions that are difficult to recruit.

I know that last year, in 2013, the departments had 1,818 staffing actions, 1,265 were either hires, transfers or promotions and 553 separations. So I think things are moving through the system, but I’m not aware of positions that are being specifically held back. At least the deputy minister doesn’t come to me and say, I decided to hold these positions back because I have someone in mind. That is not just a category that we entertain. Thank you.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I don’t think the Minister understood where I was going. I’m not talking about a category in PeopleSoft; I’m talking about something that happens before the job ever gets to PeopleSoft. It certainly, I think, is well known within the government service that a job may be coming vacant and it’s not put into PeopleSoft, it’s not advertised because there’s somebody either within the department or, I hate to say it, somebody’s friend who they may want to get that job.

The Minister kind of led me into my next question and that’s the use of casuals. Casuals are a very common practice for us in terms of filling vacancies, but casuals are often extended many, many times. I know any number of people who have had their casual position extended five times, a year at a time, six months at a time.

I would like to know from the Minister, when a job is filled by a casual, is it advertised in PeopleSoft as a vacancy? Thank you.

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Question 246-17(5): Advertising GNWT Position Vacancies

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Tom Beaulieu

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Mr. Speaker, as of October 31, 2013, of the 1,150 vacancies, 208 of those categorized as vacancies were filled by casuals. Thank you.

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Question 246-17(5): Advertising GNWT Position Vacancies

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister, I can appreciate they were filled by casuals, but were they advertised in PeopleSoft as vacancies? They should be. If it’s a casual position and not permanent, if there’s not a permanent person in there, it should be advertised.

The Minister mentioned, in one of his answers earlier, that jobs are not necessarily advertised as vacant because they can be in various stages. They could be in the advertising stage, the interview stage or offer pending stage. It seems to me that we should have all of our jobs posted and if there is a stage, it’s in a certain stage, like an offer stage; for instance, flag that job as it’s in the offer stage. People would then know that the job may or may not be available in the next period of time. It may be filled; it may not. I think that certainly the more information we can provide to our residents the better.

I would ask the Minister if he would consider whether or not PeopleSoft would start reflecting all jobs at whatever stage they’re in. Thank you.

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Tom Beaulieu

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Mr. Speaker, I’m going to have a discussion with the deputy on this because I’m not quite understanding how we would be able to do that. When someone leaves the employ of the GNWT then that position becomes vacant. That vacant position, if there’s an immediate requirement, then that position could be filled with a casual. That gives an opportunity for the department to maybe evaluate what they wish to do with that position. As an example, it could be a position that’s hard to recruit.

I’m not quite understanding clearly how we would be able to let the public know that we have this many vacancies but only this many of them can be advertised at one time because this many positions are in the appeal process, this many people are in the hiring process, this many are in the offering process and this many are in the interviewing process. I’m not sure that there would be any value in that to start with, but I’m not even sure how we would be able to advertise that whole thing on the website. It would be something that’s difficult to do, but something that we would like to look at.

I can promise the Member that I will talk to the deputy, like I said, and see if that is a possibility. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 246-17(5): Advertising GNWT Position Vacancies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Following up on my Member’s statement on the Enterprise fire tower, my question is to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . I think we are all aware of the potential for each season to be fairly unpredictable in terms of forest fire activity throughout the summer. We look towards, especially in the small communities, government infrastructure projects as an opportunity to create employment and also to try and invigorate business opportunities wherever we can.

What are the department’s plans for the construction of the tower in Enterprise? Mahsi.

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The plan is to proceed with the construction of a fire tower at Enterprise in 2014 and look at the decommissioning of the one that is currently in the Cameron Hills that is accessible only by helicopter as a fire tower. It still has a role to play with our communication system, but the intent is to look at the construction of the fire tower this year. Thank you.

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

The Minister has indicated that the construction will start. Has a site and contractor for the construction been selected? Mahsi.

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I believe a site has been identified, but I don’t have the information as to whether they have proceeded to the point where they have actually picked the contractor for the construction. Thank you.

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I would like to ask the Minister how can local businesses benefit from tower construction and operation if a contractor hasn’t been selected yet. Mahsi.

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I will commit to the Member to check where this is in the process, but it would be a case of following and looking for whatever tender documents may come out in the paper and looking for those opportunities. It’s a relatively small contract of roughly $400,000 or somewhere in that range. There will be some opportunity, some of that may be somewhat specialized, but it would be best to check and follow through the public tendering process. I will commit to get back to the Member with details and the status of the project. Thank you.

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I would like to thank the Minister for committing to following up on details of the construction and so forth.

What would a person from Enterprise need to do in order to work at the tower, notwithstanding that there’s a public process in terms of the tendering, but there’s an interest in terms of the local community being employed. What would a person from Enterprise need to do in order to work at the tower? Mahsi.

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Currently, there is an arrangement made with Evergreen Forestry to have the tower that is in the Cameron Hills looked after by one of their members. Once again, I’d have to check the length of that agreement. If there were other interests other than through Evergreen when the current arrangement lapsed, there would be potential opportunity there; or members from Enterprise can talk to the folks from Evergreen to see what their options are. But it’s just one person and it’s through that current contract. Thank you.

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Question 247-17(5): Enterprise Fire Tower

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 248-17(5): Giant Mine Remediation

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In 1990 the founder of Gold Corp – his name is Rob McEwen – knew he was sitting on a fortune of gold but just didn’t know how to get at it. So he changed the world in an extraordinary way by putting the question about how could he get help from the world to find his gold in the ground. It drew out, I think, 110 quality submissions, but it drew out over 1,000 submissions at large. In essence, Mr. McEwen of Gold Corp was saying, I have a problem; can the world help me to find my solution? It was all based on innovation and how he was inspired by a product called Linux software where they went to the world for ideas on how to deal with it.

I have raised the issue of Giant Mine and how we have the arsenic trioxide trapped there and possibly left forever.

The question that now goes to Minister Miltenberger is: Would he be willing to look at the Gold Corp innovation challenge, which they put to the world with a prize dollar out there to draw out innovative solutions on how to deal with the arsenic trioxide that’s being left in the ground at Giant Mine for what is seen as forever?

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Question 248-17(5): Giant Mine Remediation

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Michael Miltenberger .

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Question 248-17(5): Giant Mine Remediation

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to thank the Member for sharing the information on Gold Corp. It is a very fascinating read about thinking outside the box and what happened and how successful that particular initiative was. But keeping in mind that this is

ultimately a federal site and they are the major payer, I would be prepared to commit to take that information to the table through the deputy and through the folks that we have working as part of the project remediation to see what the interest is and look at trying to see if there are opportunities here to build off of the success of that example and other ones the Member mentioned like the Linux development where they went to people at large and got very many successful and very good ideas that they hadn’t contemplated.

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Question 248-17(5): Giant Mine Remediation

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Publicly, I’ve spoken about numbers of value of prize. It’s not for me to say per se what is the right prize amount, but I think the federal government needs to be a partner in this solution, because as I pointed out, and it’s even been cited by the federal government that it costs $1.9 million to run that Giant Mine site in perpetuity to protect that arsenic trioxide so it doesn’t spill into the environment.

My question now to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources is: Does he see an opportunity here to engage in this broader discussion about a possible solution on innovation with our partners in the federal government, because they’re the ones that will be paying so I think they should be the ones that should be helping to support us on this endeavour that can help the people of the Northwest Territories to deal with this horrible site.

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Question 248-17(5): Giant Mine Remediation

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Yes, that would be the whole intent of taking that information and the Gold Corp example forward to the appropriate tables, is to initiate that type of discussion, engender debate and look at options of is there a potential application here in the Giant Mine remediation site.

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Question 248-17(5): Giant Mine Remediation

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of MACA . I spoke earlier in my Member’s statement about the excitement of all the young children that are gathered at William McDonald School and the coaches and the officials and the wonderful opening ceremonies last night. Certainly, this indicates to me that these traditional games are getting support by this government and by this Minister.

I want to ask the Minister – it would be nice if we had some of these traditional games – is there a manual out there, a book on the different types of games that are going to be played over the weekend and the meaning of these games? As the Inuvialuit elder said, this was for our survival, and he said teaching behind these games. Is there

something like that for people who want to know more about these games? Is there something out there for us to get?

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’re proud of our involvement in the Traditional Games. They had the first Traditional Games last year and there was an excellent turnout, from my understanding. I apologize for missing the opening ceremonies yesterday, but my understanding was that this year’s turnout was just as good as last year. The kids had a fantastic time, and this is a great opportunity for them to interact with kids from the other communities.

As far as the Member’s question about a handbook of some sort, I’m not aware of one. I will do some checking and see if one exists. As part of our culture, a lot of our games and that are just orally handed down from one generation to the next. I’m not sure if they’ve been put on paper and maybe it’s about time that was given some consideration. I will find out and communicate that to the Member.

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

It was duly noted last night at the opening ceremonies that the Minister was preoccupied, and so that was understandable by the participants.

I guess what I wanted to say was there were so many people out there – coaches and athletes and volunteers – that it would be nice to have some type of a book so that we could start reading about the traditional games, because that’s kind of where things are going nowadays even though they’re handed down orally. We kind of understand that in our smaller communities.

I want to ask the Minister, for the support of these traditional games, is there is long-term funding for supporting these 21 schools that are attending the second, I guess, Traditional Games Championships?

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Starting from the 16th Assembly and then Assemblies before, the funding contribution that we make to the youth across the Northwest Territories, I think, is unmatched anywhere in the country. We go a long ways to try and develop our youth, and I think we’ve seen in this last budget that we just debated there was an additional $500,000 that’s earmarked for youth development.

Our youth in the Northwest Territories have a fantastic opportunity. We have some great sporting partners such as the Aboriginal Sport Circle, who I believe are the ones that are putting this event on, and they receive a lot of their funding through the Sport and Rec Council of the Northwest Territories. There is a fantastic partnership here in the Northwest Territories amongst our sporting

community. Our regional folks do a lot of regional games with some of the schools within their regions.

Again, I will maybe have a discussion with the Aboriginal Sport Circle and see if there is any type of manual that exists, and if not, maybe we should start working on one and take advantage of the fact that we have a lot of pioneers, as far as the traditional games go, that are still with us. It’s a good opportunity to put their thoughts on paper and the history of the games.

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The Aboriginal Sport Circle should be getting all our support we can give, even to increase their funding to support all these small communities, communities around the Northwest Territories that bring kids together to learn about the traditional games and, more importantly, to practice them and to get the best out of themselves and for their schools.

I want to ask the Minister, is there a review process, once these games are finished, to say what went well, what we need to do next time, and is there any way that Members on this side could be part of that review, because I have small communities from the Sahtu that are participating in these games this year.

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

As far as a review, I’m sure the Aboriginal Sport Circle, when they did the initial games last year, I’m sure when the games were over they had a bit of a debrief amongst their own organization to see what worked well, what could be improved, and I’m sure, as a result of that, there was probably some improvements made for the event this year. An official review, I’m not sure one exists. I don’t know, but I’m sure the Aboriginal Sport Circle has their own internal debrief, and if there’s information that we can gather from that, I can share that with the Members.

As far as the Member’s question on the booklet, there was somewhat of a book, I think, that was made a few years ago on the Arctic Winter Games and the history and that, so again, I will commit to trying to gather that information and share it with the Member.

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary. Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These Aboriginal games come from our ancestors, and basically, they come from the land and their survival. Now they have a different meaning but they’re very, very, very important. This is the foundation of our culture and our people.

I want to ask the Minister, in regard to these new Aboriginal games that are being out here, if he can work with this Department Education, Culture and Employment Minister . Is that part of the curriculum for physical education in our schools? This should

be, actually, a mandatory part of the curriculum in our schools with our young people.

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I can’t speak for the Minister of Education . I can have a discussion with him. We’re fortunate that we have elders that are willing to share their vast knowledge of the traditional games and their beginnings. As far as making it mandatory in the schools, again, that’s a conversation we’d have to have with the Education Minister and the district education councils.

There’s another traditional game, I think, among the old traditional games that we don’t hear much anymore, and it’s called the lip pull. We may have to start practising that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 249-17(5): 2014 Traditional Games Championship

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

I hear a challenge there.

---Laughter

Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 250-17(5): Emergency Fund For Persons In Need

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been a long, cold and difficult winter for a lot of people and occasionally people fall on hard times and sometimes tragedies beset people in the North. We are really one big family here. We know most of the people in our constituencies.

I’ve recently had a situation where a family that has been struggling has just been pushed over the edge, I suppose, financially by the cost of maintaining a home during this very long, cold winter. This family is supporting an adult with disabilities in their own home at a very, very minimal level of support from this government.

If this family were not caring for their son who is disabled, and if he was in assisted living or in a southern institution, our government would not think twice to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to support this individual, but he’s being cared for by his own family. His family is in distress.

Have we ever or do we have any kind of a benevolent emergency compassionate fund whereby if Members and Ministers agreed that there was a candidate that was a case where someone needed a little support to carry on and not lose their home or have their power turned off or in some way have something catastrophic happen, is there such a fund in this government?

I attend a church in Hay River and it’s just a small church with a $200,000 a year budget. We even have a benevolent f