Budget, Health and Social Services — 11 February 1998 (13th Assembly, 5th Session, pp. 703–737)
1998-02-11, 13th Assembly 5th Session, pp. 703–737
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Feb. 11th, 1998
This is page numbers 703 - 737 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was chairman .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Plan 2000 Update
Strategic Initiatives Fund
Moosehide Tanning Opportunities
The Cultural Importance Of Moosehide
Lahm Ridge Tower Transaction
Gun Control Legislation
Contracting Policies
Hunter Support Programs
United Nations Investigation Into Treaty Rights
Termination Of Northwest Territories Ski Division Head Coach
The Carving Industry
Acknowledging Arviat Hamlet Efforts
Fort Resolution
The Transition From Trapping To Tourism
Summer Student Employment Opportunities
Regulatory Reform Initiative
Yellowknife Dog Musher Sam Perrino
Elders' Home For Broughton Island
The Cultural Importance Of The Moose
Mandatory Leave During The Christmas Season
Return To Oral Question 252-13(5): Concerns With Northern Skills Development Program In Pangnirtung
Return To Oral Question 264-13(5): Northern Shrimp Fishery
Anonymous Note To An Mla
Transition From Trapping To Tourism
Termination Of Northwest Territories Ski Coach
Freight Costs For Gjoa Haven Swimming Pool
Moosehides For Arts And Crafts
Need For An Elders' Home In Broughton Island
Keewatin Pilot Project Meeting In Rankin Inlet
Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Renewal
Preservation Of Aboriginal Culture And Traditions
Revenues From Diamond Production
Regulatory Reform Secretariat
Permit Policy To Sell Tobacco Products
Land Claims And Diamond Mining
Return To Oral Question 291-13(5): Land Claims And Diamond Mining
Youth Employment Progress
Costs Of Yellowknife Office Lease Renewals
Directives For Leasing Procedures
Student Loan Remission Policy
Commitment Authority Of Deputy Ministers
Item 8: Returns To Written Questions
Return To Written Question 2-13(5): Concerns With Lack Of Education Funding
Return To Written Question 3-13(5): Payroll Tax Information
Return To Written Question 4-13(5): Federal Mining Subsidies
Tabled Document 41-13(5): Financial Administration Manual Directive 802-1
Tabled Document 42-13(5): Letter From Hamlet Of Coral Harbour Regarding An Appointment To The Hunter Support Program Sub-committee
Tabled Document 43-13(5): Letter To Northwest Territories Construction Association Regarding Public/private Partnerships
Tabled Document 44-13(5): Response From Northwest Territories Construction Association Regarding Public/private Partnerships
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
To Defer Further Consideration, Fort Smith Region, Detail Of Capital Community Operations
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Levi Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .
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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .
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Minister's Statement 51-13(5): Plan 2000 Update
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Goo Arlooktoo
Baffin South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation , I have committed to keeping Members informed of this government's efforts in increasing our housing stock in the NWT. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to be able to update this Assembly, once again, on the progress of the NWT Housing Corporation's Plan 2000 initiative.
As you will recall, I introduced this initiative earlier this year to improve the housing conditions for up to 2000 families by the year 2000. The initiative has indeed expanded the delivery of housing assistance from the range of 300 to 400 families a year to 648 families this year. Under Plan 2000, the corporation is helping more families become home owners as well as upgrading or replacing homes in the social housing portfolio.
Mr. Speaker, while Plan 2000 represents a significant increase in the corporation's program delivery, it by no means represents all of the projects which the corporation is funding this year. In total, the corporation will be undertaking over 1,000 projects of all types in 1997-98. In addition to directly improving the living conditions for our residents, Plan 2000 also has a positive impact upon our economy. By expanding the number of projects undertaken this year, Plan 2000 is creating additional construction jobs in communities. I am extremely pleased and proud of the fact that Plan 2000 is on target. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
--Applause
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .
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Minister's Statement 52-13(5): Strategic Initiatives Fund
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past two years, the Department of Health and Social Services and our regional boards, while working to maintain current levels of programs and services to the people of the NWT, have struggled to assist this government to balance the budget. At the same time, the population and demand for services have increased, making our task even more difficult.
During this time, we were also beginning the much needed shift away from what had become, for the most part, an exclusive focus on treatment. The department and boards are now developing an approach that is more pro-active and prevention oriented. Mr. Speaker, we need to do a better job of getting to the underlying or root causes of the problems that face our residents. For example, with respect to alcohol and drug abuse, we have tended to treat the addiction, and to deal with the tragic outcomes of that abuse such as suicides, FAS/FAE, and violent crimes.
We need to move beyond just dealing with treatment, and address the underlying causes that lead to addiction. To do that, we need to strengthen our ability to support counselling and healing, in the community. Even as boards and the department took the tough steps to reduce costs, the pressures of forced growth continued to build. These demands, primarily for treatment, will continue to grow, as prevention efforts take time to show results. In order to make a difference over time, we need to make investments now, with new funds dedicated to prevention activities.
Mr. Speaker, the Strategic Initiatives Fund allows boards the opportunity to address the need for greater activity in prevention, education, and support for the residents they serve. It allows them to do this without having to cut into existing programs and services.
This fund calls for Health and Social Service boards to initiate re-investments in the following critical areas:
1. healthy children,
2. mental health,
3. public health,
4. supported living and
5. human resources.
Mr. Speaker, tomorrow I will provide more detail about these areas and what we hope to accomplish in each.
Strategic Initiative Fund allows each board to focus on their own priorities and come up with plans to meet the needs of their own regions.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to add that while this funding gives much needed relief to the system, it is only the beginning. In time we will begin to see the benefits of prevention on future generations; when our children are adults and begin their quest to protect their children. This investment and its subsequent results are just one element in our overall effort to improve the long-term socio-economic status of northerners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 52-13(5): Strategic Initiatives Fund
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .
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Member's Statement 202-13(5): Moosehide Tanning Opportunities
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 704
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak about an opportunity that would allow communities and regions to work together, that would support local hunters as well as those people that do traditional arts and crafts. Specifically, I am talking about the situation in my riding during moose hunting season. There are on average 100 moose or so taken by the local people. Unfortunately there is not much of a need for the hides so they get left in the bush.
I also understand in talking to some of my colleagues, in other regions and other communities there are not enough moosehides available to do traditional arts and crafts. I see an opportunity here for RWED and the Minister to play a proactive role in an important issue to work with the people, the hunters of Thebacha and other communities and regions where hides are in short supply to work out an arrangement to bring the hides and put them to use. I also believe the situation is the same in the riding of Tu Nedhe. I would ask the Minister later during question period, Mr.
Speaker, if he can throw his support behind this very worthwhile initiative to promote local arts and crafts and support those very valuable skills as well as work with the hunters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
--Applause
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Member's Statement 202-13(5): Moosehide Tanning Opportunities
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .
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Member's Statement 203-13(5): The Cultural Importance Of Moosehide
Item 3: Members' Statements
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James Rabesca
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to address the topic of moosehide. Moose hide is the pride of the Dene culture. It is the source of traditional life for aboriginals. It is used for survival, ceremonies and festivities. The moose is a majestic animal and has been a symbol of economic survival in the Dene culture for generations. As the world around it has changed, the moose has adapted to its surroundings. In this, it is very similar the Dene of the north.
Mr. Speaker, anybody in the north, the Americas, or the world, will take notice of someone who is wearing their traditional aboriginal clothing. For the Dene, this clothing will usually involve the use of moosehide. Today, the practice of wearing traditional clothing, such as jackets, moccasins, mukluks or gloves and mittens, is not something we see in everyday life.
One concern to me, as I am sure it is to others, is the shortage of raw materials to make our traditional clothing. Mr. Speaker, I am not saying that moose is an endangered species. However, I do say the endangerment is that Dene people have fallen out of the traditional practice of using all parts of the moose. It seems that the meat is taken while the hide and other non-edible parts are being discarded.
Mr. Speaker, it takes a lot of time, effort and skill to treat a moosehide for use in clothing. Fortunately, everything needed for this treatment is found in the moose itself. Bones can be boiled down and the liquid used to soften the hide. The shinbone of the moose is a perfect tool to scrap the hide and the sinew can be used as thread. The moose provides us with everything we need to continue producing our traditional clothing.
This, Mr. Speaker, leads me to my second concern. The lack of interest in our young people to wear our traditional clothing, let alone learning how to produce these beautiful pieces of art. When I was younger, children used to take pride in receiving products made out of moosehide. They would be given at special times, like Easter, Christmas or in the summer holidays.
Today, Mr. Speaker, it disturbs and saddens me when I see the younger generation taking more pride in a jacket with a company or sports logo than in a moosehide vest. I urge this younger generation to look more closely at our traditional clothing and the pride that goes into making it. To look at what this clothing means to the continuation of our culture and traditions. A tradition this younger generation will be the guardians of one day. A tradition they will have to carry on or it will die out with the older generation. No one, Mr. Speaker, can correct this situation, or save our traditions, other than the people to whom the tradition belongs. Thank you Mr. Speaker.
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Member's Statement 203-13(5): The Cultural Importance Of Moosehide
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Member's Statement 204-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Transaction
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 704
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, after the information that has been gathered on the Lahm Ridge Tower deal I will now tell a concise story as I believe the events took place. Al and Hazel Marceau owned the Lahm Ridge Tower. Due to downsizing and the uncertainty with respect to government office space in Yellowknife the Marceaus were unable to extend their leases which reached the end of two consecutive five-year terms in the summer of 1995.
Although there were two remaining five-year extensions available under the terms of the original lease, negotiations were terminated and the lease of the Lahm Ridge Tower reverted to overhold or month to month leasing. An internal working document with the Department of Public Works and Services called the Yellowknife office space rationalization plan was developed with at least one draft specifically sighting the termination of the Lahm Ridge leases. The Minister indicated
last week that there was no way of knowing how widespread of the knowledge of the options contained in this document might have been.
After several unsuccessful attempts to extend their leases the Marceaus put their property up for sale listed with a local real estate company at $5.5 million. A southern based company with significant land holdings in Yellowknife called Urbco became interested in the tower and looked at it two or three times. They backed away from it when Public Works and Services would not play ball on lease extensions making financing and purchasing the property unviable. The Marceaus are now between a rock and a hard place.
An unleased building the size of the Lahm Ridge Tower is a huge liability in a depressed rental market with over 120,000 square feet of vacant office space. Enter Mr. Bailey and Mr. Mrdjenovich, they looked at the property and made an offer of $4 million. This is $1.8 million less than the declaration of values signed by Mr. Bailey at the time of the transfer. The offer to purchase was subject to financing. Mr. Marceau then went back to Public Works and Services and negotiated the not so burdensome conditions of the lease extensions.
The department readily admits that they knew of the pending sale and who the players were. The conditions were easy to achieve given that the deal was very attractive. This is evident by the lender providing more than the purchase price by $200,000 to carry out the renovations and upgrades. This was all accomplished without the necessity of a down payment because there is still a $1.6 million spread between the purchase price and the totally justifiable declared value of $5.8 million.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Your time is up, Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my Member's statement. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.
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Member's Statement 204-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Transaction
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you colleagues. Commercial buildings are primarily appraised from three approaches, market, replacement cost and, most importantly, income. Who could argue that a building with a guaranteed income of almost $10 million over the next eight years was worth $5.8 million? It was a very safe loan for the Pacific and Western Trust Company, the company which incidently holds 25 percent of the Aurora Investment Fund assets in liquid securities. The fund which Mr. Bailey coincidentally manages.
Although the Marceaus did not realize the $5.8 million their building was worth, $4 million was a lot better than the operating overhead on an empty office building. Although Cabinet had not endorsed any office space plan, the deputy minister, Ken Lovely, with absolutely no direction or knowledge of the Minister of Public Works and Services , negotiated an eight-year almost $10 million office lease. This whole transaction, we were told, was done because it was a good deal for the government. It was not a bad deal we gathered for the Marceaus, given the eminent alternative of an empty building.
This is a good deal. We do not have to be told from Mr. Mrdjenovich and Mr. Bailey. Was it a good deal for the people of the Northwest Territories? Mr. Speaker, I do not know the answer to that question, but I believe I have taken this issue as far as I can in this forum. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .
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Member's Statement 205-13(5): Gun Control Legislation
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Mark Evaloarjuk
Amittuq
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to speak on the gun control issue that was introduced as a new piece of legislation for Canadians in January of 1997. To date, I have not heard of any new progress as to the enforcement, regulations and procedures that are to be in place. We, the Inuit, who are affected as Canadians, by this legislation have never been consulted nor informed as to the laws we should now be aware of. In the absence of this information, we may be guilty of contravening sections of the new gun control laws unwittingly.
This can result in charges and court cases through the justice system. If this legislation is, in fact, an enforced law, then the Inuit people must be educated about the contents and how it is to affect them. At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will be posing questions to the Minister of Justice in this regard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .
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Member's Statement 206-13(5): Contracting Policies
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last March, this House passed a motion asking the government to clarify the government's position on government-wide non-competitive contracts by providing a draft policy to this House. We asked for this because there is no single policy to govern non-competitive contracts across this government. Subsequently, a draft policy was provided on negotiated contracts only, but as mentioned in our motion, this government has a number of ways in which to awarded non-competitive contracts, such as sole-sourced, construction management and site superintendent services.
These were not addressed in the draft policy released to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, this is not acceptable.
This House asked for a package addressing all the contracting procedures other than the normal bidding and tendering processes used by the government. Also last October, we passed a motion for the government to clarify the use of requests for proposals. Now we are told the government is dealing directly with private industry on this issue. That is all fine and dandy, but did they produce a draft document to show these companies in order to get meaningful feedback?
There has been a lot of talk in this House lately about transparency in government. Nice buzz words, Mr. Speaker. People have a right to see and understand how decisions are made and under what rules. Potential contractors have the right to know why they lost out on government contracts. Clearly defined policies can resolve this shortcoming, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .
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Member's Statement 207-13(5): Hunter Support Programs
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Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I will be tabling a letter from the mayor of Coral Harbour, Johnny Ningeongan to James Arvaluk, carbon copied to Jose Kusugak and Raymond Ningeocheak in regard to the Hunter Support Program. (Translation) Mr. Speaker, there is a concern in our community about the Hunter Support Program and how these funds are being spent. I have a letter from Johnny Ningeongan and addressed to the Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated. Their concern is how the Hunter Support Program funds are being used. This is a concern from my constituency.
I have also received calls from other communities regarding this concern as to how their funds are being used. This letter is to the NTI. Thank you. (Translation ends)
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .
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Member's Statement 208-13(5): United Nations Investigation Into Treaty Rights
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about the United Nations representative Alfonso Martinez, who is at the Hay River Reserve this week to speak about and listen to people's
interpretations of treaties and their rights. He will be making a report to the United Nations Working Group on Indigenous Populations. Mr. Speaker, a special rapporteur's report could have very serious implications for aboriginal peoples and for the governments which are dealing with aboriginal peoples. The purpose of his report and investigation is to see what treaties mean, if they are international agreements and which rights stem from them.
Mr. Speaker, a previous report on self-determination done by the United Nations led to Canada declaring that aboriginal people have inherent right of self-determination. It also led to the establishment of a working group which is developing the draft United Nations Declaration on Rights of Indigenous Peoples. The working group reports to the United Nations Human Rights Commission. The draft declaration has huge implications. All members of United Nations are supposed to follow United Nations directions and Canada is a member.
After the previous report on self-determination which said that all peoples have the right to self-determination, Canada declared that aboriginal people have the inherent right to self-determination and began to implement their policy. Later Canada also made a presentation to the working group working on the Declaration on Rights of Indigenous People. At that point, they put forward a document that said aboriginal people have the right to self-determination as long as that self-determination respects the territorial integrity. Meaning, no right to secession.
Mr. Speaker, students of treaties and treaty rights such as myself, are quite interested to see what the report will say. Mr. Speaker, we are even more interested to see what occurs afterwards, as a result of the report. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .
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Member's Statement 209-13(5): Termination Of Northwest Territories Ski Division Head Coach
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week I received letters from my constituents who are dismayed over the recent termination of the NWT ski division's head coach, Paul Skvaridlo. One of my constituents is concerned that removing Paul Skvaridlo at this time of the season when the Western Canadian Championships, the Arctic Winter Games and other seasonal competitions are in full swing, could be very damaging to the athletes in the various teams especially with these upcoming events.
My constituents are having a hard time understanding why Paul was fired when he was instrumental in achieving community participation. He promoted healthy lifestyles and a sense of achievement among our young people in the communities. He understands the needs of these small communities and has a genuine interest in helping our children improve their life chances by introducing them to skiing.
Mr. Speaker, for myself, I participated on the NWT Ski Team for five years and I believe through that achievement and the opportunity to ski for the Northwest Territories and represent the territories across Canada at the Canada Winter Games, the Arctic Winter Games and national championships, I believe was a real accomplishment to where I am today. Without the support and initiatives of the ski coaches we have had when we had people like the Firth twins representing Canada nationally at the Olympics. It is those people who give the young people the initiative to set goals and move forth with those challenges.
In concluding, Mr. Speaker, I would like to quote from my constituents, by saying "We want Paul to be the coach of the NWT Ski Team. Paul has done a great job and we are sure that the future of northern skiing, and, in particular, community involvement in the NWT Ski Program, will continue to grow with Paul at the helm." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Member's Statement 209-13(5): Termination Of Northwest Territories Ski Division Head Coach
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
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Member's Statement 210-13(5): The Carving Industry
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Goo Arlooktoo
Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in the House today to talk about an issue that is very important to members of my constituency, the carving industry. As I have said before, the carving industry is the most important sector of local economies of Baffin South. In constituency meetings and radio phone-in shows that I conducted in Kimmirut, Cape Dorset and Sanikiluaq, the issue
of carving sales has been one of the most discussed topics. Why is this one of such great interest to my constituents, Mr. Speaker? Carving sales put food on the table, pay the bills and are worth $3 million to the three communities of Baffin South with a total population of approximately 2300. This income is a significant and critical source of income by any standard. Mr. Speaker, this is an industry in need of support and guidance. We need to band together to ensure that the carving industry stays viable.
I have brought this issue up in meetings and in writing to government agencies and have spoken to individuals who buy and market the carvings. There are two main issues that we need to deal with:
1) increase marketing to deal with decreasing sales and prices;
2) an information campaign to deal with quality and diversity of products. (Translation ends)
I have discussed my concerns with the Minister of Renewable Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Kakfwi , and requested timely discussions on the expansion of the market for Inuit carvings. I am pleased to say that all parties have been working cooperatively to develop solutions to this problem.
Although, we are still far from solving this problem, I believe we have made some progress. I was pleased to hear Minister Kakfwi speak about the importance of marketing NWT arts and crafts in the House this week. I have also discussed my concerns with the regional RWED superintendent for the Baffin region, Mr. Clay Buchanan. He has met with me as well as representatives of the Qikiqtani Inuit Association and the Qikiqtaaluk Corporation.
It was agreed that representatives of these organizations would work together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Baffin South is seeking unanimous consent to concluded his statement. Are there any nays? Mr. Arlooktoo , you have unanimous consent.
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Goo Arlooktoo
Baffin South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was agreed that representatives of these organizations would work together and form a steering committee with the overall objective of developing an action plan for the carving industry in the Baffin region. The steering committee met and decided to contract the services of Blandina Tulugarjuk to act as project manager.
The committee is currently developing a workplan that will guide the development of a strategy, and will hire the expertise required to produce the action plan. It is anticipated that the action plan will be presented at a meeting between the carver representatives from the communities, purchasers of Inuit carvings and government officials early in April/May in Iqaluit.
Mr. Speaker, I would to like thank everyone for the hard work and effort. I would also like to specifically acknowledge the efforts of the co-ops for highlighting this important issue. With this kind of cooperation, I believe we will not only solve the current problem but we will also have a stronger economic base for the future of Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
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Member's Statement 211-13(5): Acknowledging Arviat Hamlet Efforts
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Kevin O'Brien
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the efforts of the hamlet of Arviat for the work in trying to move ahead the construction of the much needed Arviat Health Centre. Mr. Speaker, with all parties working together it is possible this much needed facility will start construction sooner than expected. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to acknowledge the efforts of the community in regard to a proposed caribou harvest which would see approximately 75 to 80 caribou harvested to provide meat for the elders and the less fortunate. In advance, I would like to thank Mr. Kakfwi for any efforts he may be able to lend towards this request. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Morin .
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Member's Statement 212-13(5): Fort Resolution
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to talk about my home community of Fort Resolution. As many of you know, Fort Resolution is the oldest settlement in the Northwest Territories. It is over 200 years old. Church records describe those early days, but our history is mostly an oral one. Our elders continue to tell us what life was like back then.
Mr. Speaker, because my community is situated on the shore of Great Slave Lake at the mouth of the Slave River, Fort Resolution was the main trading centre for the Northwest Territories. It was an ideal place to do business. Resupply barges or scows, as they were called back then, had to pass through Fort Resolution to connect to communities along the Mackenzie River. Five general stores competed for business at the time.
Mr. Speaker, not only was Fort Resolution a major trading centre at the turn of the century, it is where the church built its first educational centre, known as a convent and it built a huge hospital as a health care centre. Fort Resolution is also along the migration route of ducks and geese as they came north in the spring. Harvesting waterfowl, fish and wildlife has sustained the people of my area for many years. There are families who continue to depend on country foods to eat. It is not a luxury, Mr. Speaker, it is a way of life. Trapping furs is also a way of supporting our families. Mr.
Speaker, logging has also been around the community since the turn of the century. Logging supported the first mines here in the north with the supply of timber and firewood to those mines. For the last 25 years logging has been the major employer in Fort Resolution.
In 1961, we first got power. In 1968, was the first time we saw television in the Northwest Territories. There used to be a winter road into the community but in the early 1970's the highway was put in. Fort Resolution continues to grow and grow in more ways than one. They grow together as a community. Mr. Speaker, this is a community that I am very proud to be part of. I am proud to call my home. Proud of the roots my family have there and proud to say that I was chosen by the people to represent them. I seek unanimous consent to continue, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Tu Nedhe is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? Mr. Morin , you have unanimous consent.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
I would like to thank my colleagues very much for that unanimous consent, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
The people of Fort Resolution know how to work together. They know how to get things done. They support each other in their time of need. There are many examples of this. Just recently an elder was sent to the hospital in Edmonton for an operation. He was not doing well and it was felt he needed to have his family near him. It was the community, Mr. Speaker, that went door to door and put on a bingo to raise money to send one of his adult children to be with him.
When we have a death in our community, it hits the whole community. The whole community feels the loss. At the same time the whole community will pull together to make sure the family is able to give their loved one a decent burial and be there for morale support. I have seen examples of this time and time again, Mr. Speaker. This is a community that has a mixed population of Dene, Metis and non-aboriginal peoples and they all work together. Fort Resolution has had a stable population for a long time. This is where major families have lived for many years.
Fort Resolution now manages their own health care, their own education system and they believe in managing their own lives for the betterment of all the residents of this small community. The leadership in Fort Resolution is strong. They support each other. They work together to get things done. The community can boast of joint venture agreements where they have come together. Where if there are any differences, they can be put aside because they are doing something for the whole community.
Mr. Speaker, as I said before, I am proud to represent the people of Fort Resolution and I am sure that we can all learn something from the people of this community on how to get things done in a positive way. Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker, my Member's statement will be about Lutselk'e, the other community I represent. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Morin . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .
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Member's Statement 213-13(5): The Transition From Trapping To Tourism
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to start by sending greetings to my wife and children.
--Applause
Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak on an issue that has been touched on by a number of Members. It has to do with the people of the north in what we used to accomplish in the past. Mr. Speaker, in the community I represent we felt the changes from the creation of Inuvik. We have seen the change from the trapping industry to an industrial industry when the oil boom came. We now feel the impact of government. Mr. Speaker, the people of Inuvik and the Delta have lived there and have changed from one form of life to another.
From trappers to people who worked on the oil rigs and unfortunately, in some cases to people who depend on the government. There has been many changes, Mr. Speaker. I think we need to look at the changes that have occurred and try to help the people through those changes.
Mr. Speaker, in my community, tourism is an aspect that has been brought up time and time again, of an area that we can try and expand into to create jobs and much needed income.
Mr. Speaker, the people who fit the job, as I see it, would be the trappers. The people who have travelled on the land, who hunted the animals, who learned how to respect the land. Mr. Speaker, it is those people that I raise my concerns about today. In the way they are living and in the way they were living their lives, they did things traditionally. They used the land and the animals, but they are finding now to try keep this tradition alive and the culture going, they are going to have to take
part in a business environment. Mr. Speaker, we need to find a way of easing the hunters and trappers into the world of tourism so they can succeed of spreading the knowledge to all the people who come to visit the north. As well, spread the knowledge to the children that are growing to remember what life was like when our parents grew up. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
--Applause
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .
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Member's Statement 214-13(5): Summer Student Employment Opportunities
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Levi Barnabas
High Arctic
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in the House to support young high school students regarding employment for the summer break. Mr. Speaker, I have heard from the smaller communities that there are no jobs available, like in the mining area. There is not enough support for high school students to employ them. Mr. Speaker, this government has been providing funds for the youth to be employed. The funds are not going to the small communities. For instance, in the community I represent, Arctic Bay, is only 20 miles away from a mine.
The only time I have seen these students hired, is to do community clean up which does not give the support to the students to motivate them to work in places like these. They should be trained to do a job. They are high school students and they need money. For this reason, I rise today in support of these high school students. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .
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Member's Statement 215-13(5): Regulatory Reform Initiative
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last March, Cabinet launched the regulatory reform initiative, which streamlined the regulatory programs and eliminated unnecessary red tape that were creating impediments to economic development and business operations in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I support this regulatory initiative. A small specialized secretariat has now been established reporting jointly to the Minister of Finance and the Minister for RWED .
A number of proposals for changing legislation, regulations and procedures are under active consideration based on input from chambers of commerce, industry and professional associations, individual businesses and service delivery personnel and GNWT departments. Emphasis is being placed on grassroots communication with stakeholders through surveys, presentations and direct contact and are finding practical strategies that are available within the remaining term of this, the 13th Legislative Assembly.
Mr. Speaker, in addition the secretariat has been working to secure a better northern representation into standard setting and the development of regulatory codes at the national level. A frequent concern of NWT business people has been that the code requirements developed on a nationwide basis sometimes do not give adequate consideration to the needs and special circumstances of our northern lifestyle.
Mr. Speaker, over the past year, however, the Northwest Territories has been able to take an increasing role on advisory committees to the Standards Council of Canada and other national bodies. Mr. Speaker, the regulatory reform is a proactive and constructive initiative of this government. Later today I will be asking the Minister of RWED , if the honourable Member from Thebacha will allow me, some questions on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Dent .
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Member's Statement 216-13(5): Yellowknife Dog Musher Sam Perrino
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I would like to tell the House today about a former resident of Rankin Inlet and now a resident of Yellowknife Frame Lake. Mr. Speaker, Sam Perrino is a young man of 21, who started dog mushing at age 15 and opened his own kennel two years later. He ran the 10-dog World Championship held in The Pas, Manitoba when he was 17 and was named Rookie of the Year.
Mr. Speaker, Sam has just represented the Northwest Territories at the International Rocky Mountain Stage Stop Sled Dog Race in Jackson Hole, Wyoming and he finished in fourth position. Mr. Speaker, in this race, he was racing against seasoned mushers from Colorado, Montana, Ontario, Alaska, Minnesota and Wyoming, including Jeff King who is a two-time Iditarod winner from Denali Park, Alaska and Hans Gatt, originally from Austria and now living in BC, who has competed in the 150-mile Canadian Championship Dog Derby in Yellowknife.
Mr. Speaker, the race in Jackson Hole is a 10-day stage race which started on January 28th. In this race the mushers raced between nine different communities with the distance varying each day from 2.5 to 72 miles.
Mr. Speaker, when he is not mushing, Sam is an apprentice electrician in Yellowknife. I am sure that Members of this House would like to express with me, congratulations to Sam Perrino on his fine showing in this international dog race.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
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Member's Statement 217-13(5): Elders' Home For Broughton Island
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Tommy Enuaraq
Baffin Central
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. An elder requires a proper living environment in order to maintain their dignity. Most importantly, an elder's home would provide the extended care not readily available in a family setting if the elder were living by themselves. (Translation ends)
Mr. Speaker, the community of Broughton Island needs an elders' home. Family homes are often overcrowded; single homes do not offer the support an elder would require, and in an emergency, it is difficult for the elder to get help. An elders' home would give the respect and support services an elder deserves and should expect. Our elders took care of us when we were young, and now we have an opportunity to take care of them. In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, I recommend the government seriously consider building and operating an elders' home in Broughton Island. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
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Member's Statement 218-13(5): The Cultural Importance Of The Moose
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as a Dene from Nahendeh, moose is also a very important commodity among the Dene of the land where I come from. Mr. Speaker, when I was raised out on the land, many times during my childhood there were great expectations and excitement and appreciation when someone from your camp was able to get a moose. The moose provided many things, mainly food, fresh meat and dry meat. Even today when I travel to my constituency and I am lucky to get some dry moose meat, it is consumed immediately by everyone who finds out about it. Every part of the moose is very important.
The head is consumed, the tongue, nose, some parts of the guts and the stomach is also a delicacy among the Dene. The marrow from the bone from the hoof is also a delicacy with dry meat. It is also made into a pounded dry moose meat and marrow mix.
The moosehide is used for clothing. Moccasins, work shoes, moosehide vests and jackets we see here in the Legislative Assembly are also being made today. The raw hide is also used for rope and string to use out on the land.
Today, the people of Nahendeh, in my riding, still continue to hunt moose and still consume this meat to supplement their food on the table. Today, the hides are also being produced traditionally in all of the communities of my constituency, however, there is a need to encourage and support the continuation of the art of moosehide making. I agree with my two honourable colleagues in this House who spoke earlier about this very important area.
Mr. Speaker, if our responsibilities of running this Legislative Assembly did not have us here today, I certainly would be out on the land hunting moose with those who are lucky enough to be able to get away to enjoy our land, especially this time of the year. It is a very good time of the year, when it is not too cold and it is great to be out on the land. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
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Member's Statement 219-13(5): Mandatory Leave During The Christmas Season
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Two weeks ago I faxed out a survey to GNWT employees requesting their input on how they felt regarding the five mandatory days of leave without pay. This leave was initiated by the government for the past two years as part of our deficit elimination plan, Mr. Speaker.
I was interested in finding the quantity of Christmas purchases done within Yellowknife and also, if these five days provided the option for employees to travel during this time. I also incorporated questions to get the employees' perspective on these mandatory leave days because, Mr. Speaker, we are the elected body, we have the responsibility of finding out how satisfied our employees are with their employer.
Mr. Speaker, I received 157 responses. I would like to sincerely thank all the employees who responded. I hope that every Member will find the results beneficial. Sixty-two percent of the respondents indicated they left Yellowknife over the Christmas season. Seventy-one percent of the government employees purchased locally. Having these days off at Christmas time was not a deciding factor for 88 percent in planning their holidays. It was reassuring to find that 71 percent of respondents did not feel these mandatory days off were detrimental to their workload.
Mr. Speaker, one of the most surprising findings for me, was the result of the question that asked if employees would support continuing the mandatory leave days without pay in future years. Fifty-five percent supported continuing the mandatory leave days, 41 percent did not support it and four percent were unsure. Following up on this, I asked whether employees preferred keeping these days off at Christmas, 30 percent wanted the time off at another time of the year and 65 percent wanted to keep these days off during the Christmas holidays. Seventy-three percent of respondents, Mr.
Speaker, were UNW members, 10 percent were Hay Plan employees, and 10 percent were excluded employees and seven percent of them did not indicate their status.
Mr. Speaker, when these results were made available to Members of this House, you will also see the constructive comments and ideas our government employees have to send to their elected representatives. We can all read into these statements what we wish, Mr. Speaker. I hope this government will take heed of what the employees are saying in this response. I would sincerely hope that our employees being the most important asset this government has, will have their views recognized and considered. I encourage our Minister for the Financial Management Board to take a good look at what our employees are saying and feeling. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
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Return To Oral Question 252-13(5): Concerns With Northern Skills Development Program In Pangnirtung
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a reply to an oral question asked by Mr. Enuaraq on February 9, 1998. The honourable Member raised a concern regarding 11 students from Pangnirtung. These students are income support recipients in a Northern Skills Development Program sponsored by the community of Pangnirtung. The funding support for Northern Skills Development Programs is generated from the Investing in People Program.
Students enroled in Investing in People Programs are not eligible for student financial assistance. Instead, those students receive full income support, full child day care user subsidy, if needed, and an education productive choice incentive of $ 10 per day.
There are presently two Investing in People Programs offered in Pangnirtung. The first is a Northern Skills Development Program which focuses on healing, life skills and adult upgrading and the other is a Traditional Sewing Skills Program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a response to an oral question asked by Mr. Picco on February 10, 1998. Mr. Speaker, the fair allocation of fisheries resources continues to be of considerable importance to the Government of the Northwest Territories (GNWT). Our government is an active participant in the Federal-Provincial Atlantic Fisheries Committee, enabling senior officials to raise the issue of Nunavut fishing enterprises. Both I and the Premier have
Shrimp has been a success story in Nunavut since 1986. That success is due not only to accessing adjacent stocks, but also the sharing of access in southern waters. Concentrations of shrimp stocks have shifted from the north to the waters closer to Newfoundland over the past several years. Since Nunavut companies can fish in both northern and southern waters, the viability of our northern shrimp enterprises has been ensured.
The decline in the cod fishery off Newfoundland has resulted in a significant increase in the size of the shrimp resource. This leads to a temporary allocation of resources to many enterprises in Newfoundland. The only additional shrimp allocated outside of Newfoundland went to the members of the Northern Coalition made up of shrimp enterprises from Labrador, Nunavik and Nunavut.
While the GNWT supported the allocations to Nunavut through the Northern Coalition, we protested the decrease of Nunavut access as a proportion of the overall Canadian shrimp resource. When Mr. Anderson was appointed Fisheries Minister last summer, I made him aware of our views. We now expect new shrimp quotas to be allocated in 1998. I will be contacting Minister Anderson and outlining our support for Nunavut enterprises in gaining fair access to these and other Canadian fishery resources. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Return to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently the Premier , when questioned in committee of the whole under the Department of the Executive, said that he was ultimately responsible for the actions and decisions of his Cabinet Ministers. Mr. Speaker, yesterday in this House, I tabled an
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article reports that the Premier said in reference to the note which I received, I quote, Mr. Speaker, "I know one thing, none of my Cabinet Ministers wrote the note because I asked them." Mr. Speaker, is the Premier still certain that none of his Cabinet Ministers wrote that note? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
The Premier , Mr. Morin .
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was never more sure of anything in my life. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is there a mechanism or how does it work, Mr. Speaker, when the Premier has to deal with acts of indiscretion by Cabinet Ministers? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
Does the Premier wish to respond? Mr. Morin .
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In this business, just like any other business, you treat people with respect. You deal with people straight forwardly. If you have an issue to address you ask the question, you get the answer and you take that at table level. I have asked all my Cabinet colleagues, did any of you write that note to the Member for Hay River ? They said no and I trust them all. I stand by them. That is how I know, none of my Cabinet colleagues wrote that note. Thank you.
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Question 280-13(5): Transition From Trapping To Tourism
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement I spoke of tourism and the transition from trapping to tourism. My question at this time, would be directed to the Minister responsible for tourism. Within the department, we know there is funding provided for the tourism organization as a whole. We also provide funding for people going into business. Is there an avenue for trappers who are taking their traditional knowledge and trying to transfer to get involved in the tourism trade? Is there an avenue open to them, where they might be able to receive guidance and help in becoming involved in the tourism trade? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we do not have a specific program designated for trappers to get into tourism, if that is what they wish. They do have, more than any other occupation I know of in the territories, continuous contact and rapport with wildlife officers and superintendents of this department, due to their occupation. With that proximity, comes the familiarity and the ability to find out what type of support and resources are within the department trappers are interested in and can use to get into the business of tourism or hospitality, if that is what they are interested in.
I know every occasion that arises where a trapper, because it is not an occupation that creates a high income, if there is any occasion where we can help part-time trappers, full-time trappers supplement their income through engaging additional activities, we are very supportive and try to move positively with that. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree there are avenues that exist for trappers and hunters to go into the field, but one of the concerns raised in either the conferences or meetings is the fact that change from a hunting and trapping lifestyle into a business economy is a difficult one. Is there an avenue available to those who are going into the business where they may receive support and help in achieving a successful transition? Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If there is a trapper who wishes to get into the tourism business, for example, an outfitting business, our department would be prepared to assess with them the viability of such an operation. Also, to advise on things, I am not going to suggest trappers are traditionally seen as anti-social, but to be in the tourism business you need to know how to get along with people and how to treat tourists and what type of service to provide to them. Also, how to engage in it so you can maximize your effectiveness as the front line person promoting your business.
Those are the types of things we can work with trappers who wish to get into the entrepreneur business, but also to receive counselling and ongoing support and once they get into the business, they do not find that the books they are supposed to keep, things like payroll tax, enumeration to workers' compensation and all this other bookkeeping does not bury them in the first or second year. We would be prepared to do things like that. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is very interesting and many people look forward to the idea, especially in the aftercare of the business. Is there a program available, or is this the direction the department will be going into aftercare because that is a concern which has been coming up from time to time? Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have developed within the department a division or component which is set up to do community economic development. One of the elements of it is to gage the kind of support and follow-up those new businesses and entrepreneurs and business people in the small communities, and even in the large centres, could require from us.
What we need to do in order to protect our investment and their's as well, is we are not going on the assumption everybody needs after care or that every body would want it, but we are going to operate from the assumption that we would be ready and available if that is what they require. We have a standing commitment and capability in the department. Thank you.
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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .
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Question 281-13(5): Termination Of Northwest Territories Ski Coach
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to my Member's statement and the letters I have received from Tsiigehtchic and Fort McPherson about the two ski coaches in that community along with the teachers, I would like to ask the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson , regarding these concerns that have been raised not only by myself, but other Members of this House. I would like to know with all the outcries coming from the smaller communities in regard to the firing of the head coach, has the Minister looked into this matter and what has been done to date?
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Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .
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Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware of the situation from the Member's comments previously. I have directed my staff to provide me with more details on that. I will take the question as notice. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Ningark .
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Question 282-13(5): Freight Costs For Gjoa Haven Swimming Pool
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of MACA and it is concerning above-ground swimming pools. Many years ago the priority of this government was in the area of recreational activities. We had swimming pools and above-ground swimming pools, hockey arenas and such, justified by the fact recreational activity entails spiritual well being, mental and physical. I am not going to go beyond that. Gjoa Haven has wanted to have a swimming pool program during the summer, an above-ground swimming pool.
The mayor of that community has talked to me about it and they are willing to put money into the program. The mayor and the council want to know if the Minister of MACA will supply the cost for freight from the point of departure to that community? Is there funding in that area? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .
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Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware of this pool project from Gjoa Haven. The Member has brought it up to me some time ago. I will revisit this situation for
the community and get back to the Member with the details. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recognizing the honourable Minister will get back to me, how soon will the honourable Minister get back to me? Thank you.
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Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. By the end of today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 283-13(5): Moosehides For Arts And Crafts
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of RWED . It is in regard to the Member's statement I made today about the situation with hunters in my region and people who do traditional arts and crafts in other regions, not having sufficient moosehides. Does the Minister see a role for his department in trying to bring this situation to a positive conclusion? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue the Member has brought forward has, in fact, been the topic of discussion amongst the Dene leaders in quite a number of our communities. The Member for North Slave , Mr. Rabesca , also spoke to it earlier today. The Member for Tu Nedhe , the Premier , has also raised it a number of times over the last few years and so has the Member from Nahendeh and of course, the Member for Thebacha is also keenly interested in it.
What the essence of the issue is, that some of our communities are still making full use of the moose they hunt and harvest, down to eating all parts; hooves, nose, eyes, tongue, a lot of the internal organs. Making sure they bring their moosehide into the communities, then tanning it in a traditional way. Some of our communities have stopped bringing the hides in. For whatever reason not all our communities are making use of the availability of moosehides and so they have been discarded in many cases. There is no legal requirement to make use of moosehides or caribou hides.
The only requirement we have in our Wildlife Act is the edible parts of animals like moose and caribou not be discarded or abandoned. So because of the discussion and interest that has been shown over a number of years, we are now looking at ways and means by which we can make it worth while for hunters to bring in the moosehides into communities and finding, through our minimum fur price program, to give a guaranteed price for moosehides, then making it available to communities and the women who are still tanning moosehides and who require additional moosehides.
We also want to look at training programs to teach young women and men who want to get into tanning moosehides, the opportunity to learn how to do it. We are also investigating the possibilities of finding new ways of tanning hides that might make it economically more efficient and perhaps less costly in terms of labour. Also other ways in which to make it worthwhile for us to look into these processes. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate some possible timeframes to bring a finality to this issue. I am interested in timeframes specifically because in Thebacha it is the fall and early winter that is moose hunting season. I am bringing this up hopefully in plenty of time, so that prior to next hunting season, some arrangements could be made so we could take advantage of the hunters going out this fall. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Kakfwi . Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe we can try to have something in place by the end of August at the very latest. That is what I will ask my department to do. It is the kind of thing we require to talk to all the hunters and trappers and community leaders about. It would involve wildlife management boards and hunters and trappers. It will be a rather intense consultation period. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 713
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister anticipated my question because my question was in fact going to be, will there be consultation with the local hunters and trappers? I have talked to some and, of course, it is an issue. They have a number of detailed questions that are specific to that activity. It would be very beneficial if in fact because the Minister said that his staff would consult with the communities to ensure this is done right and takes effect smoothly. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Yes, Mr. Speaker. I believe there
is an economic element to this issue. There is also the issue of keeping alive a certain practice, a certain aspect of our culture which is important. This government is prepared to do what it can to ensure that is looked at. We cannot look at it alone. As we say, the wildlife boards, the Chiefs, Metis leaders, other aboriginal leaders that engage in this and harvest this animal will be fully consulted so we handle this issue properly. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .
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Question 284-13(5): Need For An Elders' Home In Broughton Island
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Tommy Enuaraq
Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. An elders home is very much needed in Broughton Island. My question will be directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services , the honourable Kelvin Ng . Will the Minister consider building an elders home in Broughton Island? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the main focus of the department is trying to provide home care if at all possible. Trying to make it a priority to try to increase an individual's ability to stay in their own home and to live independently if at all possible. However, there are cases where individuals do require, once they get to the point of requiring long term, 24-hour care. In those situations we try to provide that service to them as close to home as possible, but it is not always possible to do it in every community.
We will have to review what the needs are for Broughton Island residents, along with the Baffin Regional Health and Social Services Board, to see what services are adequate to meet their needs, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .
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Question 285-13(5): Keewatin Pilot Project Meeting In Rankin Inlet
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 714
Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister for Municipal and Community Affairs . I should clarify yesterday in committee of the whole, while asking some questions on the Keewatin transfer pilot project, indeed I had been in the meeting in Pangnirtung and when I reviewed my minutes and the copies of same, the briefing was done in Pangnirtung. I apologize to the Minister at this time, for not seeing that.
Mr. Speaker, my question concerning the Keewatin pilot project is next week there is a meeting in Rankin with the Keewatin leaders, concerning the initiative that has been put forward in that area of the territories. Will the Minister for MACA be attending on behalf of this government, at that meeting? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .
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Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Member for his apology. He had the whole presentation on his desk this morning and showed it to me. I will be attending some part of the meeting in Rankin, if my budget can be finished soon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have received an invitation to attend the meeting next week in Rankin, along with other Members of this House and because we are in the budget session, I will not be able to attend. I wonder if the Minister would be able to facilitate a meeting between the Members of this House on the standing committee, under MACA, so that we would actually have an opportunity to meet with the mayors of the Keewatin region, maybe in April sometime we could actually look over this proposal? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
Ms. Thompson .
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Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Actually I just did that. The mayors did come over here and on their behalf I was able to tell the Members they were in town to meet with them. After the leadership meeting in Rankin, I will get their advice on that, if they want to meet with the Members. It is the mayors call for them to come over. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
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Question 286-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Renewal
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 714
Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be for Mr. Antoine . It is regarding the Lahm Ridge Tower. Last Friday, Mr. Antoine said it was Mr. Marceau who had contacted the department to initiate re-negotiations of the lease extension. That of course, eventually lead to the eventual sale of the building. My question on Friday, February 6th was, was this the first contact Mr. Marceau had with the department? Mr. Antoine in his reply stated it was in July that Mr. Marceau contacted the department and he was not aware of any contact for the months before that but he said he would check into that and get back to me.
Could the Minister tell us if he has checked into that and if he could clarify that for us, if he has an answer? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Antoine .
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have not received any detailed information from my Department of Public Works in regard to the question, at this time. I am not aware there was any contact prior to July by Mr. Marceau. I am still waiting for a reply from the department. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Mr. Speaker, were the departmental officials engaged in discussions about the lease extension or about the Lahm Ridge Tower, prior to August 3rd, with individuals outside of the department, other than Mr. Marceau? Thank you.
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Mr. Antoine .
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the information I received from the department is that Mr. Marceau and Mr. Dixon of my department were negotiating the lease extension in the beginning of July. This is only between these two individuals that this lease negotiation took place in the office of Mr. Dixon and over the telephone following that exchange between the two. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, my question really was, were departmental officials engaged in discussions about the lease extension and/or the Lahm Ridge Tower with individuals outside of the department, other than Mr. Marceau, prior to August 3rd of last year? Thank you.
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Mr. Antoine .
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mr. Speaker, I do not know that. I will have to check with the department. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Did Mr. Marceau advise the department that he wanted to sell the building before the lease was signed? Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department officials became aware that Mr. Marceau of Lahm Ridge Investment Company was planning to sell his office in the building to a numbered company, during the negotiations of the lease extension. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Question 287-13(5): Preservation Of Aboriginal Cult